Navigon or TomTom?

[AzWildcat]

Does any one have any experience with Navigon systems? are they any good? Frankly I don't care for the TomToms and if the Navigon is upto par, out goes my Garmin on fleabay :)

How much would you pay for the app? I think $60 is a fair asking price... but I suppose that may be a little hopeful.

Cheers !

[boca76]

I checked the European countries top paid apps and Navigon in many of them has taken the No. 1 spot . In nearly all of them Navigon is in the top 10. It's amazing if you think that the price is $94.99.
I think that Tomtom has lost a lot of money for not being the first.
I initially intended to buy the Tomtom app but I just couldn't resist so I got Navigon.

[cdal1]

How do you like it?

[nicheco]

i'm selling my old GPS in the car for this new tomtom set up. i hope it's worth the money. i'll prolly use all the money i get selling my old one to set up this new one, but it will be a much smaller pain in the ass.

[Sam21]

I just bought it, downloading now. Looks pretty good with lane guidance and all the other things my standalone TomTom has.

[bbplayer5]

Whichever one is released in the US first, ill get.

[egraphixstudios]

Whichever one is released in the US first, ill get.

navigon is available on Appstore for £54.99 but for europe only atm.

I would really like it if their was a trial period before forking out £55.

[coledog]

Whichever one is released in the US first, ill get.

Same here...

[AzWildcat]

Whichever one is released in the US first, ill get.

I'll wait and see how the navigon looks in the states.....I can't stand TomTom software....but for the sake of practicality my garmin is going on ebay....I have a ridiculous amount of electronic equipment that I cart about without needing to worry about a GPS

[bbplayer5]

I'll wait and see how the navigon looks in the states.....I can't stand TomTom software....but for the sake of practicality my garmin is going on ebay....I have a ridiculous amount of electronic equipment that I cart about without needing to worry about a GPS

haha same here. Navigon is supposed to be pretty good so.

[Sam21]

I thought the download bar was moving slowly.. 1.65GB :O
The 32GB was definitely the right model!

[koollectablz]

Got Navigon today for my 16gb 3g - I'm in the UK, just been out testing it against my wife's tomtom.

Its actually pretty good, could do with more voices and it seems to see Tesco as Bloomingdales? Also need street names on 3-D view.

But does the satnav just as well as the tomtom! Its good. Found sats quicker than the tomtom unit and never lost them in a half hour drive.

Oh, and you need at least 4gb or so free to install it, the app itself is much less, so you can add stuff back once its installed.

[ougum]

Whichever one is released in the US first, ill get.

I agree. I'll buy the one that get to the store first. But I won't over
pay for their software when I already have the hardware. Of course
if I decide to buy the TomTom mount, I'd expect paying more. I can
purchase a full blown TomTom unit from Amazon.com for
$119.00. I would also not pay a subcription. Instead I'd just
buy the lowest priced Garmin I could find.

[Sebby]

I'm not going to rush into it just yet. I'm going to wait until TomTom is released and see which gets better reviews. I wish they'd hurry up!

[ayzee]

tomtom need to release there app ASAP, im starting to get itchy fingers :D

[iAlexG]

Ive got a garmin in my car I hate TomToms

[jamojdm]

What holder are people using to hold their iPhones while driving at the mo as the tomtom one isnt out yet?

[ayzee]

Im using the Herbert Richter holder for my 3Gs.

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=174362

Holds it perfect so wont be needing the tomtom accessory

[Excellerator]

I have a regular Navigon GPS and love it. Can't wait until they have a US version for the iPhone. Not a big fan of TomTom and Garmin.

[jclardy]

I wonder if the TomTom accessory will be adjustable so it can hold an iPhone in a case. I don't want to have to take my iPhone out of its case every time I get in the car.

[dwella1]

Has anyone heard of a release date as of yet? I really need one!!!!

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[williamgallas10]

I wonder if the TomTom accessory will be adjustable so it can hold an iPhone in a case. I don't want to have to take my iPhone out of its case every time I get in the car.

you will have to remove the case,

[billchase2]

I have Navigon installed on my GPS and love it. I'm looking forward to the US release for the iPhone!

[encircle]

Has anyone heard of a release date as of yet? I really need one!!!!

d

i'm curious about the date too! anyone know?

[rman0726]

wtf. my Garmin only cost me like 105. and it costs $95 for the Navigon software? The iPhone GPS would be nice for the occasional business travel with a rented car, but i don't think I can justify $95 for something when i already have a Nuvi that works perfectly fine.

[williamgallas10]

My friend has a JB iPhone and was able to get the European version for free. I tried out a demo route, looked and worked nice. I will be getting the US version once it's in the app store. I hope it's not more than $80.

[slffl]

Never had a TomTom, but tried a Navigon system and it sucked! Stay away. Tried a Garmin and it rocked. I'm interested in the TomTom for iPhone.

[jaltamirano]

i love how they said tom tom will release their software when the 3.0 comes out :(

[chhhrrriiisss]

If it's super expensive I'm definitely just going to stick with my normal car gps.

[SpaceKitty]

It would be nice if they would allow TomTom to use the Voice Control. My Garmin uses voice recognition and I never have to touch the screen while driving.

[AzWildcat]

My friend has a JB iPhone and was able to get the European version for free. I tried out a demo route, looked and worked nice. I will be getting the US version once it's in the app store. I hope it's not more than $80.

Well...judging by the Euro conversion and Navigon being a European Company, were probably looking at the $100-115 mark......I was all for it being cheap but I suppose even at that price its not bad considering it replaces another device :-)

[chimpboy74]

Does anyone know of a good comparison review between navigon on iphone and a tomtom device?

I have a tomtom one V3 and I like it because it is simple to use, recognises postcodes and has a traffic receiver that came with it.

The navigon looks sweet for the voice to text and lane assist (how good is that btw?)but no traffic and only recognises part of UK postcodes (this may be an issue for me as I often have company addresses that can just be company name, town, city postcode. I enter the full postcode on my Tomtom and I'm away. How does the navigon cope with that?)

Can anyone here say what is good and what is bad about the navigon app for me. £55 seems appealing especially as I know for a fact that the tomtom app wont have lane assist or text to speech.

How is navigon for rerouting if you take a wrong turn (something my tomtom is pretty speedy at). Tomtom also make a deal out of their intelligent routes taking into account the fastest route with thinks like traffic lights roundabouts etc - does the navigon do this? Or does it simply take the shortest distance?

Sory for loads of questions but if anyone has answers it might help me. Plus the navigon is going to go up in price on 30th June!

[bbplayer5]

Doesnt look like tomtom will be out for a while... ugh...

[TSX]

I think if it's expensive people will jailbreak to get it free.

[Que]

I think if it's expensive people will jailbreak to get it free.

funny you should mention that.........

i haven't considered jailbreaking at any point with my 3g or 3g s, until now. i have an .ipa file of navigon, i assume that i have to jailbreak to get that on the 3g s.

question is, how long does it usually take for them to get their jailbroken (?) software out? i notice that ultrasnow or whatever it's called is out for the 3g, any guesses on the 3g s?

sorry for hijacking the thread, it is kinda related to the subject in question :p

[Sam21]

The navigon looks sweet for the voice to text and lane assist (how good is that btw?)but no traffic and only recognises part of UK postcodes (this may be an issue for me as I often have company addresses that can just be company name, town, city postcode. I enter the full postcode on my Tomtom and I'm away. How does the navigon cope with that?)

It's not too bad.. It allows you to type the first part of the postcode (CM1) and then then the next number (CM1 1). It then comes up with a list of all the roads under that postcode which you can also search. You then enter the house number and you're done. Yes full postcode would be better but it is still only version 1.0 so hopefully improvements will be made.

Can anyone here say what is good and what is bad about the navigon app for me. £55 seems appealing especially as I know for a fact that the tomtom app wont have lane assist or text to speech.

Lane assist has worked pretty well on the roundabouts and junctions I've tried it on and the text-to-speech has read out the road numbers perfectly.

Bad points are that it's restricted to the iPhones speaker which was to quiet when I had music on and a bit crackly when turned to full volume. Also as others have said no speed cameras or traffic, but these might come in future updates (probably for a fee).

How is navigon for rerouting if you take a wrong turn (something my tomtom is pretty speedy at). Tomtom also make a deal out of their intelligent routes taking into account the fastest route with thinks like traffic lights roundabouts etc - does the navigon do this? Or does it simply take the shortest distance?

Not sure about how it works but under the types of route options for Car you have Fast, Optimum (default), Short and Scenic.

The rerouting on my 3GS was instant, easily as quick as my TomTom if not quicker.

Sory for loads of questions but if anyone has answers it might help me. Plus the navigon is going to go up in price on 30th June!


I'd say get it now, hopefully they rushed it to get it out infront of TomTom which means there should be updates coming which will fix some of the current flaws.

[logicpro7]

Can any owners check if ibiza is on the navigon maps.

Thanks.

[Peruvian]

From what i have read, Navigon uses NAVTEQ mapping and TomTom uses TELE ATLAS.. From my experience with gps systems, Navteq mapping is alot better than tele atlas.......

[chimpboy74]

I'd say get it now, hopefully they rushed it to get it out infront of TomTom which means there should be updates coming which will fix some of the current flaws.


Thanks for this. S*d it I'm going to get it and run the tomtom and it side by side for a while (I travel so much I will know quickly if it is no good). If it works I will flog my tomtom. If not then I will chalk it down to experience. One last question does it tell you an estimated arrival time?

[Aurial]

Navigon has been out for quite a long time for Symbian, and to my knowledge they still haven't added Traffic and Safety Cameras.

[zookster]

Well...judging by the Euro conversion and Navigon being a European Company, were probably looking at the $100-115 mark......I was all for it being cheap but I suppose even at that price its not bad considering it replaces another device :-)

Remember, as more players join the GPS game, more competition sets in. That will, in turn, lower the price.

Capitalism is good.

John

[AzWildcat]

Remember, as more players join the GPS game, more competition sets in. That will, in turn, lower the price.

Capitalism is good.

John

I agree but at this point only these two companies are interested, Garmin has a hookup with Microsoft for MS direct or whatever its called; I'm pretty sure they are expressly prohibited from developing GPS software for non WinMo phones

[Diode]

If I can get the new Homer Simpson voice for the tomtom then I'm going that all the way.

Otherwise I'll wait for reviews.

[Diode]

funny you should mention that.........

i haven't considered jailbreaking at any point with my 3g or 3g s, until now. i have an .ipa file of navigon, i assume that i have to jailbreak to get that on the 3g s.

question is, how long does it usually take for them to get their jailbroken (?) software out? i notice that ultrasnow or whatever it's called is out for the 3g, any guesses on the 3g s?

sorry for hijacking the thread, it is kinda related to the subject in question :p

I wouldn't advise discussing pirating software on this forum. There are other outlets for such things.

[Randman]

I hope both are out soon for the reviews to come in. Taking a road trip right after the 4th and it would be nice to try GPS out on a near cross-country drive.

[jmpage2]

I think if it's expensive people will jailbreak to get it free.

That would be stealing.

Do you steal nice cars because you can't afford them?

[jmpage2]

I hope both are out soon for the reviews to come in. Taking a road trip right after the 4th and it would be nice to try GPS out on a near cross-country drive.

I agree, and I do think that people will pay $100 or more for an application like this so the price is going to be steep.

Personally I won't be getting an application for the iPhone that does GPS until it has the type of functionality of the DASH navigation system (real time traffic analysis based on actual user locations, etc).

[andyhargreaves]

.... especially as I know for a fact that the tomtom app wont have lane assist....

Really?? The newest TomTom hardware satnavs certainly do have this feature in W.Europe mapping, I've seen it in action. Do you have a source?

Andy

[koollectablz]

Can any owners check if ibiza is on the navigon maps.

Thanks.
Yes it is.

[chimpboy74]

Really?? The newest TomTom hardware satnavs certainly do have this feature in W.Europe mapping, I've seen it in action. Do you have a source?

Andy


Yes sir I do:

copy of an email from TOMTOM:
Response (Chris V. (UK)) 23/06/2009 09.59 AM
Dear Mr Chimpboy74

Thank you for contacting TomTom Customer Care
The reference number for your query is .

The iPhone version of Tomtom wont have Advanced lane guidance or text to speech but will have IR Routes.

You can find details on the following link ;

http://iphone.tomtom.com/

More information will be made available closer to the products release later in the year,

With Kind Regards

Chris

The TomTom Customer Care Team

I checked out their website and I think he meant IQ routes!

I have a tomtom one v3 and bought th navigon app this week and have tried it out. Here are some initial thoughts:

Pros:

The map images are really clear and sharp compared to my Tomtom. And they are pretty up to date showing road layouts in my area that have only changed within the last year.
Lane assist is sweeeeeet (but also see my con about this below)
Road sign display is a nice feature too
Rerouting was very fast (faster than tomtom)
POIs seem pretty up to date for my local area with nice clear icons
Voice commands clear (I had the phone plugged in through an aux cable so cant comment on the speaker on the phone)
Voice to text is really nice. I'm not sure that it will say a street name merely a road number e.g M90 (this may be incorrect as I havent fully tested this)
I havent had any issues finding an address so far with the short post code entry system
the price: £55 for all european maps is a pretty good deal unless they start to ask for extra fees for extras like cameras and traffic


Here are some cons:

I cant see a way of zooming into the map a little bit when on 3D mode (your view shows quite a large area and details of turns up ahead are difficult to see. Perhaps a setting I couldnt find but a little bit frustrating
On the screen shows you a square with the next turn e.g an arrow showing a left turn etc which is fine but when Lane asist comes on this doesnt dissappear and actually covers the nice 3D image of your turn off! (this may be because we are in UK and the symbol appears on the bottom left of the screen and all my lane assists have been for turn offs on the motorway - on the left!)
Cant see how to turn off POIs (if indeed you can)
I feel that a lot of the screen is wasted showing map detail away from your route (could be help with a zoom in function) tomtom is definitely better at making use of the screen space. e.g the navigon has a large bar along the bottom only showing the road name you are on (or if tapped the next road name) This could be improved
No speed cameras
No traffic ( I really hope that they can add this along with speed cameras at some point and not as a subscription, either as a plug in accessory as with tomtom or a one off fee)
EDIT just notice don navigon website that with their existing PDA saftware you can do TMC activation for a one off 9.95euro fee


All in all though I am very happy with the navigon and I have used tomtoms for years. there is definitely room to improve this app to make it a real tomtom killer.

Anyhoo I am doing a long journey with loads of stops at the end of this week so will definitely put it to the test then. If anyone has any specific questions then feel free to ask.

[Que]

I wouldn't advise discussing pirating software on this forum. There are other outlets for such things.

jailbreaking is discussed on this forum, that's what my question is referring to.

if you don't know the answer there's no need to get all high and mighty.

[Aurial]

I agree but at this point only these two companies are interested, Garmin has a hookup with Microsoft for MS direct or whatever its called; I'm pretty sure they are expressly prohibited from developing GPS software for non WinMo phones

Garmin also develop for Symbian S60, and it's very good.

[billchase2]

Well...judging by the Euro conversion and Navigon being a European Company, were probably looking at the $100-115 mark......I was all for it being cheap but I suppose even at that price its not bad considering it replaces another device :-)
I only paid $70 for my actual GPS unit which is running Navigon. That would not be cost effective for me at all...

[Que]

Navigon is now £37.99 until June 30th. British Isles maps only.

[tivoboy]

The only point I will make, is that navigon has recently pulled OUT of the USA for hardware completly.

It concerns me then that they MAY not focus on their map solutions, and routing engines in this region since the large bulk of $$ sales are done.

TomTom is third in the USA still and will continue to sell regular PND devices.