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Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 12:25 AM

I took a final exam tonight, and the guy sitting next to me was cheating like a friggin' bandit.

He had his Blackberry between his legs, and was using it for all of the definitions and charts that we had to regurgitate on the exam (a large portion of it). I'm sure it helped him with all of the multiple choice and T/F questions, as well as for all of the equations we had to memorize for the calculations.

It pisses me off because of the amount of time I spent preparing for the exam.

The girl sitting on the other side of him also noticed after I questioned her about it (at first, she didn't want to admit she saw anything because I think she wants to jump his bones, but after a few questions, she finally admitted that she saw). After talking to her about it, the guy ended up leaving the building through the same door as her, and I noticed them talking, so I hope he's having a nervous night.

I've decided that there's no point in reporting it. The lazy, magazine-reading proctor didn't notice, and there's no proof besides my observation, and well, it's not like me ratting on him will benefit me at all. Besides, "telling on him" isn't my style.

The scary part is that this is a professional course- it's a managerial accounting course. Most of the people in the program already have a Bachelor (I have two :)).

My view is that karma will get him. One day, he'll be interviewing for a job..... and I'll be the one interviewing him. :cool:

The only thing that I may do is I may call the school anonymously next week and tell them to ensure that their proctors pay closer attention during exams.

Just thought I'd share...... anyone care to comment or share their own stories of cheating?

DavieBoy

Jun 17, 2009, 12:35 AM

Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 12:41 AM

Sorry bro.

I tried my first year of college and it didn't work, then I started cheating and brought up my GPA.

Sorry that I cheated in every class and graduated with some kind of honors for my communication degree.

Actually wrote my thesis on cheating on college campuses. Studies show that students think everyone else is cheating, teachers think no one is cheating. Most studies show somewhere between 5 and 10%.

The problem is that teachers/professors are too scared to actually call out a student for fear of lawsuits and such. I can not tell you how many times a teacher definitely knew I was cheating and didn't have the _____ to say anything.

You should frame this post and put it above your (future) kids' beds so they could be proud of you.

Bro.

Funny, because without cheating at all, I'm doing better than almost everyone in all of my classes. On the midterm in this particular course I got the 2nd highest grade in the class.

I guess not everyone needs to cheat- some of us earn our way through life. Plus, I'll actually know what I'm talking about when I'm working.

NathanCH

Jun 17, 2009, 01:18 AM

Cliche alert: Really, they're just cheating themselves.

Sounds lame, but it's true. I'm only a first year business student, and I couldn't believe how dumb some of the people in my classes were. I'm guessing they cheated their way to get into university. :p

jav6454

Jun 17, 2009, 01:23 AM

I'm going to say this one more time.

Cheating will only come back to bite you in the a$$. Why? Cause lets say you cheated on x-subject of your field. Well, when the time comes to use your knowledge, how are you going to respond to a situation that requires that specific set of knowledge you cheated on? You are not, you are going to look like an idiot and make your boss wonder how did you get hired. Simple.

Cheating is going to bite you in the a$$ later on. It's better to repeat and know, than go once and know squat. After all, knowledge builds upon itself and if you miss a little thing, you won't know the big picture.

Designer Dale

Jun 17, 2009, 01:27 AM

jav6454

Jun 17, 2009, 01:28 AM

Hi,

...getting the girl, too, just wait until he tries to cheat on her...

Dale

Priceless.

jecapaga

Jun 17, 2009, 01:28 AM

Sorry bro.

I tried my first year of college and it didn't work, then I started cheating and brought up my GPA.

Sorry that I cheated in every class and graduated with some kind of honors for my communication degree.

Actually wrote my thesis on cheating on college campuses. Studies show that students think everyone else is cheating, teachers think no one is cheating. Most studies show somewhere between 5 and 10%.

The problem is that teachers/professors are too scared to actually call out a student for fear of lawsuits and such. I can not tell you how many times a teacher definitely knew I was cheating and didn't have the _____ to say anything.

Well you're a real quality individual it sounds like. Can we transfer this thought process over to other areas of your life which I'm sure you've already done?

So if you're married, you've cheated on your wife. If you're gainfully employed, you've cheated the company in any way possible. If you're actually putting that false degree to work, then you're paying taxes and certainly cheating on them. If you're in the grocery store and the checker forgets to ring something up, of course you walk out of the store without saying a word. This goes on and on in every area of your life I would bet. I hope you never choose to have kids with your glowing morals.

To the OP. That's a tough bit. I probably wouldn't have said much myself but the idea to tell school officials that they should monitor more tightly is a good idea. He'll get his...

Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 01:33 AM

jbernie

Jun 17, 2009, 02:00 AM

The scary part is that this is a professional course- it's a managerial accounting course. Most of the people in the program already have a Bachelor (I have two :)).

My view is that karma will get him. One day, he'll be interviewing for a job..... and I'll be the one interviewing him. :cool:

It wasn't the ethics exam was it? :D

I have no concern with you reporting it, it might just confirm their suspicions, maybe they will ask him to re sit the exam in conditions where access to devices is most definately restricted. Certainly I would be concerned about the ethics of the school if they ignore such a complaint, especially when coming from a student who is not underperforming.

But yes, at some point in the future this person will suffer an embarassing situation where everything they have said will not protect them from the lies in their past.

spaceboots06

Jun 17, 2009, 02:05 AM

thought provocative question

If you live your life cheating and nobody ever finds out, is it something you should be ashamed of?

or

would you feel bad cheating in order to advance your career?

most people would say yes to both. i say no. I myself rarely cheat at anything because I dont want to face the consequences of it.

Rodimus Prime

Jun 17, 2009, 02:06 AM

Hi,

I'm 61 and never got into cheating in school. I was a 2.0 student in high school and managed to work my way up to a 3.8 on my masters in education. My design classes that I have taken over the last year have all been 4.0. I didn't get smarter, I just learned how to study.

I agree that cheating only cheats the cheater and it will come back to haunt him someday. And the sooner the better if you ask me.

If you're pissed that he seems to be getting the girl, too, just wait until he tries to cheat on her...

Dale

I honestly find that hard to believe.

I think one study showed that at some point in school everyone cheated at least once or twice.

I know I cheated a few times here and there but over all I was pretty legit.
One of my class was my chemistry in college class I was retaking. The proofessor was an idoit and banned all calculator that had a keyboard (TI-92 and voyager 200) but would allows TI-89 and other graphers. His reasoning for banning the ones with keyboards is because you could put notes in it. Any one who knows jack about the TI's knows the TI-89 and the TI-92/Voyager 200 use the same OS and can easily put notes in it.
More to the point I was pissed about this since my main calculator was a Voyager 200. So this forced me to pull out my old 86 which happen to have all my notes in it from the year before when it was legit. hell the teacher told us to do it. I was going to go legit but force me to use my old stuff I will say screw you and cheat.

other tricks I know students used was note cards to hide formals on it. End the end everyone cheats at some point in their life. But normally cheating comes back to bit you. But unfortunately to many cheaters get away with in this world. We have our leaders who cheated their asses off to get into power. So it seems to show that cheating does get you ahead.

spaceboots06

Jun 17, 2009, 02:11 AM

cristo

Jun 17, 2009, 02:50 AM

I've decided that there's no point in reporting it. The lazy, magazine-reading proctor didn't notice, and there's no proof besides my observation, and well, it's not like me ratting on him will benefit me at all. Besides, "telling on him" isn't my style.

Even if you don't report the student for cheating, you should certainly report the invigilator for simply sitting at the front of the room and not paying any attention to the people sitting the exam. There might as well have been noone sitting at the front!

Whenever I took exams, the invigilators walked around the room to ensure no cheating took place. Nowadays whenever I invigilate exams, I do the same. If I see someone who may be potentially cheating, I walk upto them and either stand next to them for a while, or just go to the back of the room, so the examinee has no idea whether I'm looking at him or not. If an invigilator doesn't do this, then it's really unfair on the rest of the students.

As for the post above that says examiners don't have the balls to eject someone: that certainly isn't true here! I'd like to see someone try to sue the college after being ejected for blatant cheating! Regardless, whether professors are scared or not (wherever that poster was from), it's certainly not beneficial to anyone to condone cheating on a forum that students frequent.

MacDawg

Jun 17, 2009, 02:58 AM

People cheat... in everything, everyday... not everyone, but "many"
Others, like the proctor are lazy... just going through life

You are only responsible for "you" and the focus should be there
You are gaining knowledge, experience and more
The value is in what you gain

There are times to report others
There are times to let it go
Wisdom will know the difference

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

rhsgolfer33

Jun 17, 2009, 03:11 AM

You are only responsible for "you" and the focus should be there
You are gaining knowledge, experience and more
The value is in what you gain

Yeah, except that by cheating off of you the cheater also puts you in a bad position. Schools can't prove who was the cheater and who was being cheated off of and in many cases can discipline both of you. I've had others cheat off of me, and it is no fun. Its not cool when a professor has to talk to you and ask you if you knew the person was cheating off of you, if you were cheating, etc.. It puts you under suspicion, even if you weren't the one cheating, and can harm any chance of graduate school and professional recommendations from that professor and others in the department.

northy124

Jun 17, 2009, 04:06 AM

I cheated in Year 9 on a SATS Test, it was so obvious no one could believe I got away with it lol (maths teacher was a slack).

I am not ashamed to say I did it as well I was stuck :lol:

cristo

Jun 17, 2009, 04:42 AM

I cheated in Year 9 on a SATS Test, it was so obvious no one could believe I got away with it lol (maths teacher was a slack).

I am not ashamed to say I did it as well I was stuck :lol:

Yea, but year 9 SATS don't count for anything! Cheating in university is a completely different matter.

northy124

Jun 17, 2009, 04:45 AM

Ah that is were you are wrong, those SATS got me into the good set where I could actually learn Maths and set me up to do accounting :D so really it means something, I have cheated in College exams as well but that is another story for another time ;)

toolbox

Jun 17, 2009, 06:15 AM

Cliche alert: Really, they're just cheating themselves.

That is so true. I agree with you, even when i was at school i used to study my ass off for a exam, then someone would be in there cheating and it would piss me off and there wasn't anything you could do meh

MacDawg

Jun 17, 2009, 06:17 AM

Yeah, except that by cheating off of you the cheater also puts you in a bad position. Schools can't prove who was the cheater and who was being cheated off of and in many cases can discipline both of you. I've had others cheat off of me, and it is no fun. Its not cool when a professor has to talk to you and ask you if you knew the person was cheating off of you, if you were cheating, etc.. It puts you under suspicion, even if you weren't the one cheating, and can harm any chance of graduate school and professional recommendations from that professor and others in the department.

I agree, but that was not a part of the original scenario from the OP. Yes, that would be an issue to consider and address.

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

dubhe

Jun 17, 2009, 06:39 AM

The final assessment for my Master's was a one on one hour long oral examination where the examiner could question me on anything in the syllabus. More importantly he knew if I knew the subject or not by my confidence in answer. No way to cheat!

Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 10:36 AM

^^^^^ definitely no way to cheat. I like oral exams. There should be more exams formatted that way.

Ah yes, one more thing to really grind my gears :rolleyes:

I believe that the cheater bombed the midterm.

The way that this professor computes the final grade is like this:

If you did better on the midterm than on the final, he computes your final grade by averaging the exams (each is worth 40%) and then adding in whatever you earned of the remaining 20% from assignments and class participation.

If you did better on the final than on the midterm, he doesn't use your midterm grade at all when computing your final grade, and just uses the grade that you got on the final.

Talk about motivation to slack off on the midterm and cheat on the final.....

And no, jbernie, it wasn't the ethics exam..... I'm not taking the ethics course until the fall. I think I'll do okay in that one....:p

Yes, MacDawg is correct: the cheater wasn't cheating off of my exam.

uberamd

Jun 17, 2009, 10:44 AM

People who cheat piss me off for a variety of reasons. I just finished my 3rd year at college, and I see cheating ALL the time. The bad part is when those people graduate, get a diploma from the University, get a job, and the employer finds out they don't know anything it makes the University look bad. It discredits the diploma, and the school. It makes the employer think they are giving degrees to anyone who walks in the doors. THAT is why cheating is harmful to everyone at the college, whether you really care about the person cheating at the moment or not.

JasonElise1983

Jun 17, 2009, 12:29 PM

alright. here we go. so, when i was in jr. high and highschool. i was a mediocre student and blatant cheater. not to excuse it, but i grew up in a very small southern town, where popular kids, athletes and kids with money got a free ride. i was none of those things. actually, i was the opposite of almost all of them. i was that guy you went to jr. high with who wore eyeliner cause he felt like it (this was the 90s... no emo kids now who wear it all the time), and didn't talk to a whole lot of people, but wasn't mean or mad at the world. just different. that was me. and in a small, redneck southern town, it's hard to be that. so studying was never my thing because i had too much other stuff going on, and i always had it harder than the other kids. i mean, i did it to myself, but even the teachers would discriminate. i remember a teacher who wouldn't even talk to me cause he thought i worshiped the devil and that was against his moral principles. fwiw, i did not worship the devil, though i did explain to someone one time when they asked me if i "believed" in the devil, that if they are so up on christianity and religion, then i hope they believe in the devil. anyway, ADD moment over. Anyway, all through jr. high and highschool, i cheated. I mean, passing papers accross an entire classroom cheated. One time a friend of mine rolled the answers up in a pen and let me "borrow" that pen when he got done taking the test. genius! anyway, so i graduated with like a 2.5 GPA. yup! all my cheating and i didn't even do it enough to get good grades. I swear... there's a point coming up. So i get to college, and realize that i don't know how to study, i don't know how to do the work, i don't know a lot of that stuff. I spent 3 years as a freshman. it took me 7 years to get my BA. I had to relearn everything. i mean, i took college algebra 3 times before passing it with a "C". I just didn't know the material. So yes, in my long, ADD Rant filled post, Cheating really only cheats the cheater.

-je

EDIT: two more things. 1) i never cheated in college. i did the work and did it for real. had a 4.0 in my major, but only like a 3.?? overall. 2) i do know someone who i would stake my entire life on, that they have never cheated. I mean like for real life. Like someone could kill me if i was wrong. i'd be more upset to know i was wrong than the fact that i was dying.

Boneoh

Jun 17, 2009, 02:41 PM

I remember an incident when I was in college. I was a computer science major in a small college, so you got to know all of the other students in your major, at least by sight.

There was this one kid who hardly ever came to class, always asking others for help. It was obvious that he wasn't studying and cutting classes. Once he showed up for a mid term exam and sat next to me. It was multiple choice, and it became really obvious to me that he was cheating off my answer sheet after the first few questions.

So I decided that I would mark the incorrect answers, so if the answer was choice A, it would fill in the circle for B, and so on. After a while, I put down the pencil and pretended to review my answers and acted like I was going to go forward to turn in the answer sheet. This dude then gets up, and turns in his answer sheet. I then quickly corrected my own answers and turned in my sheet.

The next time we met in class, he had an F and I had a B. He was pissed! He didn't understand what had happened at all!
176833

A week later, a bunch of us were taking a break in the computer lab. The same dude comes in and starts complaining how he got arrested the night before. He said that he was drunk and used a black powder pistol to shoot out the front window of a store in his neighborhood. He was a class act all the way! After that, he dropped out, we never saw him again.

emt1

Jun 17, 2009, 03:28 PM

People cheat. Get over it. Lives do not depend on whether or not a business man knows stuff right off the top of his head.

Eraserhead

Jun 17, 2009, 03:30 PM

Report it, it degrades your degree if people cheat and you don't report it.

chrmjenkins

Jun 17, 2009, 03:37 PM

I recall in one of my undergraduate classes this one girl who would walk up to the prof's desk before class, grab a completed homework, copy it, and return them both to the desk regardless of whether or not the prof was there yet. I started holding my homework until he got there fairly quickly.

Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 03:54 PM

People cheat. Get over it. Lives do not depend on whether or not a business man knows stuff right off the top of his head.

Really? Tell that to all of the people that lose their jobs because of bad decisions made by unqualified managers and executives.

emt1

Jun 17, 2009, 03:55 PM

Really? Tell that to all of the people that lose their jobs because of bad decisions made by unqualified managers and executives.

Perhaps people shouldn't have been hired to manager positions straight out of college.

imaketouchtheme

Jun 17, 2009, 04:03 PM

Perhaps people shouldn't have been hired to manager positions straight out of college.

I don't think that's what he's trying to put across... The point is, if you don't learn the stuff in college, you won't know the stuff when you start working. Sure, you can try to wing it in the real world, but it usually does not work out.

OutThere

Jun 17, 2009, 04:04 PM

I put some equations in my TI83/89 in high school a couple of times. Once the professor handed out the equations unannounced anyway and it didn't matter. In college, however I haven't cheated at all...I'm a political science major and almost everything I do is essays written outside of class or long answer essay exams. Even if I wanted to cheat it would be very difficult.

No reason to report it...his loss ultimately, you often wind up applying stuff you learned at the beginning later on anyway. I'd only report it if I saw someone cheating on something more important...like a airplane pilot's written license exam or a medical license exam.

emt1

Jun 17, 2009, 04:05 PM

I don't think that's what he's trying to put across... The point is, if you don't learn the stuff in college, you won't know the stuff when you start working. Sure, you can try to wing it in the real world, but it usually does not work out.

If someone can't handle the real world because they cheated in college, sucks for them, they shouldn't have cheated.

Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 04:24 PM

I don't think that's what he's trying to put across... The point is, if you don't learn the stuff in college, you won't know the stuff when you start working. Sure, you can try to wing it in the real world, but it usually does not work out.

^^^ what he said.

If someone can't handle the real world because they cheated in college, sucks for them, they shouldn't have cheated.

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. What does that have to do with your original comment and the responses since?

emt1

Jun 17, 2009, 04:28 PM

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. What does that have to do with your original comment and the responses since?

If someone is going to cheat, they better be sure that it won't actually affect their life or future in a negative way. I think it's also a waste of time to get all bent out of shape about other people cheating, unless it's a situation where the better performance of others could negatively affect you.

Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 04:38 PM

If someone is going to cheat, they better be sure that it won't actually affect their life or future in a negative way. I think it's also a waste of time to get all bent out of shape about other people cheating, unless it's a situation where the better performance of others could negatively affect you.

Who's bent out of shape over this? Certainly not me. I was simply sharing an experience that occured yesterday.

Frankly, I'm more annoyed by your arrogant posts than by the cheating.

emt1

Jun 17, 2009, 04:40 PM

Who's bent out of shape over this? Certainly not me. I was simply sharing an experience that occured yesterday.

Frankly, I'm more annoyed by your arrogant posts than by the cheating.

You made the thread, and said that it pisses you off.

imaketouchtheme

Jun 17, 2009, 04:59 PM

If someone can't handle the real world because they cheated in college, sucks for them, they shouldn't have cheated.

I know this has been replied to and furthermore discussed, but you are, once again, missing the point of this post and discussion. The point is, this was a major final exam, so most likely if he cheated on it, he did not know the information taught in the class and it may be a fundamental part of his future career. Now if this was some little test at the end of a lesson, sure, it probably won't affect him in his future life. But if he relies on cheating in college, you better believe he's going to rely on it in his job. No matter how you look at it, your outlook on this matter is distorted and incorrect. Cheating is not good no matter which viewpoint you look at it from.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you were the type of person that cheated in college.... :rolleyes:

EDIT: Or currently do.

emt1

Jun 17, 2009, 05:01 PM

I know this has been replied to and furthermore discussed, but you are, once again, missing the point of this post and discussion. The point is, this was a major final exam, so most likely if he cheated on it, he did not know the information taught in the class and it may be a fundamental part of his future career. Now if this was some little test at the end of a lesson, sure, it probably won't affect him in his future life. But if he relies on cheating in college, you better believe he's going to rely on it in his job. No matter how you look at it, your outlook on this matter is distorted and incorrect. Cheating is not good no matter which viewpoint you look at it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you were the type of person that cheated in college.... :rolleyes:

I'm actually still in college and I'm a psych and pre-med student. Also, I have never cheated, because it's actually important that I know this information off the top of my head, and I want to succeed in life.

If someone else doesn't want to succeed in life, then that's their problem. People just need to stop worrying about everyone else's business and life choices.

imaketouchtheme

Jun 17, 2009, 05:04 PM

I'm actually still in college and I'm a psych and pre-med student. Also, I have never cheated, because it's actually important that I know this information off the top of my head, and I want to succeed in life.

If someone else doesn't want to succeed in life, then that's their problem. People just need to stop worrying about everyone else's business and life choices.

Referring to bold: I will agree with you on that. Too bad that wasn't your originally idea you posted. ;)

Referring to underline: Of all people to say cheating won't affect your future career, it came from someone in Med School. You should be the one advocating not cheating.... :rolleyes:

emt1

Jun 17, 2009, 05:07 PM

Referring to bold: I will agree with you on that. Too bad that wasn't your originally idea you posted. ;)

Referring to underline: Of all people to say cheating won't affect your future career, it came from someone in Med School. You should be the one advocating not cheating.... :rolleyes:

1. Where did I contradict myself?
2. I don't really care if some business major wants to cheat. His true abilities will show themselves in the real world, when he starts as a low-level businessman.

I personally think that cheating is pretty stupid, but I'm not going to judge or get upset if someone else does it. It's their life.

imaketouchtheme

Jun 17, 2009, 05:08 PM

1. Where did I contradict myself?
People cheat. Get over it. Lives do not depend on whether or not a business man knows stuff right off the top of his head.

Refer to bold. Point proven.

Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 05:14 PM

You made the thread, and said that it pisses you off.

Yes, I said it pissed me off. I didn't say that I'm currently sitting here swearing at the ceiling wishing death on the cheater.

I'm actually still in college and I'm a psych and pre-med student.

That explains a lot about your posts.

Specifically, this comment you made: Lives do not depend on whether or not a business man knows stuff right off the top of his head.

Right, I forgot..... only doctors' decisions are important decisions. Any other decision regarding anything else isn't important in comparison. How could any other decision possibly affect people's lives?

You have much to learn about life, my arrogant pre-med friend. (Pre-med? Doesn't that just mean that you want to go to med school? I guess I'm pre-CEO then.)

emt1

Jun 17, 2009, 05:18 PM

Yes, I said it pissed me off. I didn't say that I'm currently sitting here swearing at the ceiling wishing death on the cheater.

That explains a lot about your posts.

Specifically, this comment you made:

Right, I forgot..... only doctors' decisions are important decisions. Any other decision regarding anything else isn't important in comparison. How could any other decision possibly affect people's lives?

You have much to learn about life, my arrogant pre-med friend. (Pre-med? Doesn't that just mean that you want to go to med school? I guess I'm pre-CEO then.)

I can see where this is going. I'll leave with this statement: worry about yourself and where you are going, if other people want to make stupid decisions - let them, and don't let it piss you off.

Rodimus Prime

Jun 17, 2009, 05:32 PM

I'm actually still in college and I'm a psych and pre-med student. Also, I have never cheated, because it's actually important that I know this information off the top of my head, and I want to succeed in life.

If someone else doesn't want to succeed in life, then that's their problem. People just need to stop worrying about everyone else's business and life choices.

Problem comes is the cheater degrades the value of everyone else degree they got from that school. Have enough cheater go threw the program your degree becomes not even worth the paper it is printed on.

Leareth

Jun 17, 2009, 05:54 PM

My University introduced a new letter grade FD - Fail due to Academic Dishonesty
stays permanently on transcript.

People still cheat , but at least put in more effort and creativity.
When I invigilate exams, I dont goof around, I see cheating , I note it,
maybe even take pics,
and since students have to sign paper as hand in exams, I get to make note beside name.

Leareth

Jun 17, 2009, 05:56 PM

I can see where this is going. I'll leave with this statement: worry about yourself and where you are going, if other people want to make stupid decisions - let them, and don't let it piss you off.

Well when the cheaters artificially raise the GPA average for the dept and get better GPA than you , making you ineligible for grants/bursaries/scholarships while they enjoy free money, you might change your opinion.

and yes they devalue YOUR work too.

Eanair

Jun 17, 2009, 06:05 PM

Well when the cheaters artificially raise the GPA average for the dept and get better GPA than you , making you ineligible for grants/bursaries/scholarships while they enjoy free money, you might change your opinion.

and yes they devalue YOUR work too.

Well said.

And as others have pointed it, it devalues your program/school/etc as well. If cheaters from School X were hired by Company A based on their [false] academic resume, when they perform sloppy work for Company A and leave a bad impression, Company A may not be so inclined in the future to hire graduates of School X.

Coolnat2004

Jun 17, 2009, 06:09 PM

So I decided that I would mark the incorrect answers, so if the answer was choice A, it would fill in the circle for B, and so on. After a while, I put down the pencil and pretended to review my answers and acted like I was going to go forward to turn in the answer sheet. This dude then gets up, and turns in his answer sheet. I then quickly corrected my own answers and turned in my sheet.

I did this in high school. It annoys me so much when people try to cheat off my work!

Cabbit

Jun 17, 2009, 06:11 PM

During college for myself we had a unspoken agreement, when it came to paper work we would all do our own than pass them all around the 5 of us this worked well in creating better papers and one could call it collaboration rather than cheating though depending on your point of view it would be one or the other.
Though non of our papers were graded it is just a tick all the boxes for a pass or miss something and go add it in for a pass.

Cassie

Jun 17, 2009, 06:22 PM

I have cheated on a couple of major tests. Of course it hasn't been any easier for me because of it, but hey that's life.

Trying to do the same on my PSAT didn't exactly go according to plan. :p:o

Surely

Jun 17, 2009, 07:16 PM

I can see where this is going. I'll leave with this statement: worry about yourself and where you are going, if other people want to make stupid decisions - let them, and don't let it piss you off.

Where is this going? :confused:

Why shouldn't it piss me off? As others have posted, one person cheating has a greater effect on the entire class, school, and profession.

Who says I was worried about it? Not me.

I think that you missed the point of my OP.

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All I know is that I'm off to write another final exam tonight!

I hope I don't notice anyone cheating..... :D

Jschultz

Jun 17, 2009, 09:28 PM

During my entire year of student teaching (9th grade and then 7th grade) I noticed A LOT of cheating amongst students. Plagiarism is a raging problem in schools today!

I've noticed that in college, many of the cheaters to whom I've spoken are only doing it to 'get through' with the class. In my undergraduate years I learned that many people are simply in college to get a degree; it is a means to an end. I love school so much, and I see college as a way to better myself and voraciously eat up as much knowledge as I can. That's why many of us are in grad school. :)

I see where the original poster may have felt things were askew. If my manager were to complete mismanage people and processes due to a lapse or lack of knowledge from cheating in college, we'd be in bad shape. Being an English major, there was really no way I could cheat on an in class essay. You either read the material or you didn't.

Otherwise, let the cheaters cheat. If you don't take pride in yourself and your education- that's your problem, not mine.