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galactic732
Jun 22, 2009, 12:43 PM
I'm looking to get this receiver:

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR506-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B0015M4G5C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1245692058&sr=8-1

and I'm looking at getting these speakers to go with it:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000OG4E2U/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000OG6I6A/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Will these two items work together? The speakers say they are 200W and the receiver says it's only 100W.

I'm new to this stuff and just looking for some help from someone that has experience with these sort of things.

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum area...

Thanks



Eastend
Jun 29, 2009, 03:07 AM
I'm looking to get this receiver:

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR506-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B0015M4G5C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1245692058&sr=8-1

and I'm looking at getting these speakers to go with it:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000OG4E2U/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000OG6I6A/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Will these two items work together? The speakers say they are 200W and the receiver says it's only 100W.

I'm new to this stuff and just looking for some help from someone that has experience with these sort of things.

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum area...

Thanks

The Amp is 6 ohm at 100 watts so at 8 ohm it's going to be 80 Watts or less,
into 200 Watt speakers. Just an opinion, but usually I try to get an amp that can really drive the speakers, in this case that Amp while a good amp for the money is not powerful enough. Generally I try to get an Amp that is at least 1 and half times more powerful than the speakers. So you need a very good amp to drive these speakers, that will cost you more. the reason I say this is because you will not need too much power to drive the speakers if you do buy a strong amp and in that way you will not distort the sound to badly. When you start going over a certain volume level on a equal wattage speaker an Amp your Total Harmonic Distortion specification will go up. In short the Amp you need for which ever speaker you choose will be more expensive, right now you are mismatched. You need a more powerful amp. It is totally my opinion though.

ChrisA
Jun 29, 2009, 12:43 PM
Yes. The speakers are rated to be able to handle 200W of power. But the amp can supply only 80. All this means is that you will be be able to drive the speakers up to their full power.

it is like asking if it is OK to put 80 gallons or water in a 200 gallon tank. Yes it will fit just fine. If it were the other way are around then no.

80W vs. 200W sound on paper like a big mis-match but it's not. With audio you have to double the power to make a noticeable difference in the sound. and 80 vs. 200 is "about double" so we are talking about just noticeable, small differences

That said, those wats are really all about marketing. I doubt in actually use you would ever turn the volume up to "10"

Typically with stereo, when designing a system around a fixed budget, the best advice is to spend half the budget on speakers and the other half on the electronics. With a home theatre 5.1 system I think you spend a lot more on speakers. The bulk of the budget should go to speakers. Looks like you've done that.

Eastend
Jun 30, 2009, 12:39 AM
Yes. The speakers are rated to be able to handle 200W of power. But the amp can supply only 80. All this means is that you will be be able to drive the speakers up to their full power.

it is like asking if it is OK to put 80 gallons or water in a 200 gallon tank. Yes it will fit just fine. If it were the other way are around then no.

80W vs. 200W sound on paper like a big mis-match but it's not. With audio you have to double the power to make a noticeable difference in the sound. and 80 vs. 200 is "about double" so we are talking about just noticeable, small differences

That said, those wats are really all about marketing. I doubt in actually use you would ever turn the volume up to "10"

Typically with stereo, when designing a system around a fixed budget, the best advice is to spend half the budget on speakers and the other half on the electronics. With a home theatre 5.1 system I think you spend a lot more on speakers. The bulk of the budget should go to speakers. Looks like you've done that.

Totally disagree, it is not marketing. But, whatever you want, not my problem.

pkoch1
Jun 30, 2009, 12:48 AM
Totally disagree, it is not marketing. But, whatever you want, not my problem.

well, if you think about it, 200W is just over 3dB louder than 80W, which is the just barely noticeable interval of apparent "loudness", so you really would not gain very much volume at all by buying a 200W amp vs. an 80W.

Eastend
Jun 30, 2009, 01:09 AM
well, if you think about it, 200W is just over 3dB louder than 80W, which is the just barely noticeable interval of apparent "loudness", so you really would not gain very much volume at all by buying a 200W amp vs. an 80W.

Really. I'll give a true story here. In 1989 We built a building for small concerts and added a sound system to that building. We Bought two Yamaha Monitor Speakers, Yamaha even came to the building and helped install those speakers. They are two 200 watt speakers. Before we hooked them up one of the people I work with hooked them up to his 100 watt per channel Yamaha Amp and it sounded pretty good. Then we hooked them up to my Pioneer 200 watt amp and they sounded twice as full across the Frequency Spectrum. Now, all that was not just my opinion, there were 4 people in the room 2 Yamaha specialist and my work-mate and I. In my opinion, he needs to purchase a more efficient speaker system, that means a speaker system that does need all that much power to drive them. That does not mean cheap speakers. Why do they sell high powered amps at all?

galactic732
Jul 1, 2009, 06:13 AM
sorry I should've explained my situation further.

I already have the amp/receiver, I'm just looking to upgrade my speakers.

I'm a college student and can't afford the top of the line amp. I'm just trying to upgrade in steps instead of spending 2k all at once.

with that knowledge, is this an acceptable setup?

I'm running hdmi and optical audio for everything and it's going to a 42 inch 720p plasma, in case that matters.

Eastend
Jul 2, 2009, 12:02 AM
sorry I should've explained my situation further.

I already have the amp/receiver, I'm just looking to upgrade my speakers.

I'm a college student and can't afford the top of the line amp. I'm just trying to upgrade in steps instead of spending 2k all at once.

with that knowledge, is this an acceptable setup?

I'm running hdmi and optical audio for everything and it's going to a 42 inch 720p plasma, in case that matters.

It will Probably run it Ok, but it will not run it to it's full potential. If you cannot upgrade the amp because of funds it can't be helped. The speakers should last for years you can upgrade anytime you want in the future. Heck, We've got speakers here that are over 30 years old and still work fine, used them on 3 or 4 amps. Now days the amps are the problem, they usually break within 10 years, in 10 years it will probably be 10.1 Surround sound, who knows.

Mister G
Jul 16, 2009, 09:55 PM
Galactic check out hometoys.com they have a new hot product called neuhaus laboratories T-2 Integrated Tube amp with built in DAC so you can hook up to a Mac no problem and play iTunes direct. I don't have one but just looked cool. It is mentioned in the digital audio forum also. I think web site is www.neuhauslabs.com