"iPod3,1" References in iPhone OS 3.0 Point to iPod Touch Refresh [Archive]

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Jun 23, 2009, 03:53 PM

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A recent posting (http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203916) at iPod touch Fans has gained some publicity for the re-discovery of references to an "iPod3,1" model in the public release of iPhone OS 3.0. The current iPod touch is termed "iPod2,1", so the references suggest that Apple will be releasing a revised iPod touch model at some point in the relatively near future. The news is unsurprising, as Apple appears to be following a yearly cycle of product refreshes in recent years, and with both the first- and second-generation iPod touch models having seen September release dates, the release of a revised "iPod3,1" iPod touch in September is a reasonable expectation.

The "iPod3,1" reference was actually first discovered (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-3-0-beta-references-four-unknown-products/) in the iPhone OS 3.0 beta back in March, along with entries for several other unreleased and/or unspecified products. Among those entries was one for "iPhone3,1", which appears to represent yet another iPhone model that has not yet been publicly released. Similarly, the mysterious "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1" products referenced at that time remain unknown.

These findings do seem to predict future models, as reports as far back as late January (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/28/next-generation-iphone-model-revealed-in-firmware/) pointed to the existence of an "iPhone2,1" model, which eventually turned out to be the just-released iPhone 3GS. The next-generation iPod touch would certainly contain the updated ARM Cortex processor and improved Power VR graphics chip found in the iPhone 3GS. Other rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/15/new-iphone-and-ipod-touch-details-ipod-to-get-camera/) have even claimed that the next iPod touch would also include a camera, which would presumably also be able to take video. This "iPod3,1" is most likely to be released around September based on Apple's history of iPod updates.

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island

Jun 23, 2009, 03:56 PM

Hope it gets a camera.

Stargaze

Jun 23, 2009, 03:57 PM

Hope it gets a camera.

+1 to that and a built in microphone just for the hell of it :D

Zooey

Jun 23, 2009, 03:57 PM

Hope it gets a camera.

Same, I really would use it.

iMacmatician

Jun 23, 2009, 03:59 PM

Looking good for the iPod touch!

Hope it gets a camera.

t0mat0

Jun 23, 2009, 03:59 PM

It's going to be very interesting to see where the Touch and the iPod line up is taken. Will the Touch outrank the iPhone with even better graphics? How will they deal with a fragmented userbase? Many other questions.

mkrishnan

Jun 23, 2009, 04:01 PM

Will the Touch outrank the iPhone with even better graphics?

My bet for this one is that they won't make a concerted effort to differentiate on this front for the time being, and whichever one is newer will have the best graphics... so yeah, I would guess that, should the next iPod touch come out imminently, it might not be much different from the 3GS, but otherwise, it'll generally be more powerful than the 3GS, get leapfrogged by the next iPhone, and so on...

branjosef

Jun 23, 2009, 04:02 PM

Its the Iphone NANO!!!!

:D

* Couldn't resist :rolleyes:

clarksonknight

Jun 23, 2009, 04:02 PM

And we're surprised by this? This obviously points to the fall refresh. Now if they could dig out some features that's another story...

Rorikynn

Jun 23, 2009, 04:04 PM

branjosef

Jun 23, 2009, 04:05 PM

And we're surprised by this? This obviously points to the fall refresh. Now if they could dig out some features that's another story...

It'll probably have a camera (w/ video), compass,voice controls and be 64GB. It just wont have phone capabilities. Knowing apple

rye9

Jun 23, 2009, 04:05 PM

Hm, I wonder what the iPhone 3,1 could be... and even more so those unknown products. I'm warm to the idea of new Apple gadgets :p

RKilbane20

Jun 23, 2009, 04:05 PM

I can see the touch getting upgraded but what about the other ipods? Adding a camera to those? What else can they possible do?

NinjaHERO

Jun 23, 2009, 04:05 PM

As long as Apple holds off until I can sell my free touch that I got with my new MBP.

amac4me

Jun 23, 2009, 04:05 PM

Same thing different year ... we saw something similar last year.

AriX

Jun 23, 2009, 04:07 PM

iFPGA is Apple's field-programmable gate array that they use for testing iPhone ROM revisions and stuff. That's internal, and will never be a product.

jholzner

Jun 23, 2009, 04:09 PM

Hope it gets a camera.

And GPS.

na1577

Jun 23, 2009, 04:09 PM

People seem to have forgotten that iPod2,2 was also mentioned. iPod3,1/iPhone3,1 are probably 2010 models.

Edit: I posted this a few months ago, the last time this was brought up:

0x1290 iPhone1,1 - iPhone
0x1291 iPod1,1 - iPod touch
0x1292 iPhone1,2 - iPhone 3G
0x1293 iPod2,1 - iPod touch 2G
0x1294 iPhone2,1 - iPhone 3G [s] (previously unknown)
0x1295 iProd0,1 -
0x1296 iPod2,2 -
0x1297 iPhone3,1 -
0x1298 iFPGA -
0x1299 iPod3,1 -

jav6454

Jun 23, 2009, 04:10 PM

Now that's something to look forward to. Camera *drools*

TheMechanic

Jun 23, 2009, 04:10 PM

It'll probably have a camera (w/ video), compass,voice controls and be 64GB. It just wont have phone capabilities. Knowing apple

Do you think they would incorporate a compass but no GPS?
GPS would be cool for those who buy a turn by turn navigation app...

thibaulthalpern

Jun 23, 2009, 04:11 PM

Most people saw this coming. I hope Apple adds a camera (and possibly a built-in mic) to the iPod touch, why not? It only makes sense. It will unify the feature set and expand the customer base of camera-centric apps and services. The iPod touch should be an iPhone without the phone.

That would be lovely. I would love to have the GPS navigation system that is on the iPhone. I'm not so eager about cameras because I'd rather have a dedicated camera that can actually take good pictures that can be reproduced on paper. Phone cameras are still rather mediocre.

The list of features I'd love to see on the iPod touch, in order of desirability would be:

1. Allow bluetooth connection to headsets (so the mic would work)
2. Allow syncing though wifi and bluetooth
3. GPS
4. Built in FM tuner

Aeroplane

Jun 23, 2009, 04:13 PM

NO no NO no NO NO NO

You got it all wrong, well, mostly.

This fall they will add the camera, yes that's accurate...but NO VIDEO.
next year (2010) they will add video, and presumably it will have volume, if not, they will add that the following year (2011).
three years later they will add a microphone (2012).

Yeah, just because they can. And still everyone will be jumping up and down WHATEVER Apple releases.

Do You See The Pattern?

:rolleyes: This yearly "refreshes" are starting to get on my nerves, it'll only last for a minute or two, don't worry. :p See, it's already gone.

mattwolfmatt

Jun 23, 2009, 04:13 PM

As long as Apple holds off until I can sell my free touch that I got with my new MBP.

They only give those out during the back to school specials, which will end very soon before the ipod touch is released.

They'd never give free - new - ipod touches.

TheSpaz

Jun 23, 2009, 04:13 PM

How awesome would it be if the iPod touch got a camera, built in microphone, and cellular data and voice from AT&T?

...Oh wait.

dead76

Jun 23, 2009, 04:14 PM

+1 to that and a built in microphone just for the hell of it :D

So is there any reason to think that the leaked bezel that was supposed to be for the new iPhone could be for refreshed touch instead? We all had our mind on the phone, but in reality it might have been for the touch. I guess it could have been faked, but maybe its for a re-design of the touch to include VOIP? Just daydreaming. :D

DELLsFan

Jun 23, 2009, 04:14 PM

Camera ... maybe
GPS ... probably not
Flush headphone jack ... hopefully
Compass ... probably not
Microphone ... would be nice

TheSpaz

Jun 23, 2009, 04:16 PM

Camera ... maybe
GPS ... probably not
Flush headphone jack ... hopefully
Compass ... probably not
Microphone ... would be nice

The iPod touch already has a flush headphone jack right? :confused:

kk1ro

Jun 23, 2009, 04:17 PM

I just hope it doesn't get faster/better hardware than the 3GS. The touch2G got a faster processor and it wasn't used to its full capabilities, so why bother?

TwinCities Dan

Jun 23, 2009, 04:23 PM

NO no NO no NO NO NO

You got it all wrong, well, mostly.

So sorry Steve! We're only mere mortals! :rolleyes:

zedsdead

Jun 23, 2009, 04:24 PM

I reall think the iPod touch will get a camera (with video) and gps (possibly events compass) because of all of the GPS apps (especially Tom Tom).

NinjaHERO

Jun 23, 2009, 04:26 PM

They only give those out during the back to school specials, which will end very soon before the ipod touch is released.

They'd never give free - new - ipod touches.

That was my hope. :D

guydude193

Jun 23, 2009, 04:30 PM

[QUOTE=MacRumors;7927229]
"The news is unsurprising, as Apple appears to be following a yearly cycle of product refreshes in recent years, and with both the first- and second-generation iPod touch models having seen September release dates, the release of a revised "iPod3,1" iPod touch in September is a reasonable expectation."

Of course, you guys just got done writing an article on Apple possibly giving out erroneous info about upcoming products. :p

ecks618

Jun 23, 2009, 04:31 PM

Probably coming out right after the "Buy a Mac, get an iPod" promotion

Aeroplane

Jun 23, 2009, 04:31 PM

So sorry Steve! We're only mere mortals! :rolleyes:

I'm not issuing the fact that people sometimes miss the upgrades ipods have, but the little upgrades they add just to keep their loyal dogs at their feet.

str1f3

Jun 23, 2009, 04:35 PM

+1 to that and a built in microphone just for the hell of it :D

If you're going to go that far why don't you just add a 3g card in there as well. That way we don't need a cell plan. :)

dangleheart

Jun 23, 2009, 04:35 PM

Why not go all the way:

iPhone - cell - sms = iPod touch

Same processor, same memory config etc. Even have the Phone app, so other softphone vendors can plug in their soft phone behind it.

$249 - with camera, 16G
$299 - with camera, 32G

$349 - with camera, GPS, compass, 16G
$399 - with camera, GPS, compass, 32G

That will be a palatable price spectrum for the market. Or drop the whole thing down by $50.00 . I am not sure if Apple will make any money at these price levels.

Sehnsucht

Jun 23, 2009, 04:39 PM

iPod touch > iPhone.

There. I said it. :D

The past two generations, the iPod touch has always been slightly faster and better optimized for gaming than the iPhone. I really hope 3,1 follows the same pattern...I'm selling my 2G and grabbing the third gen immediately. :cool:

DELLsFan

Jun 23, 2009, 04:40 PM

The iPod touch already has a flush headphone jack right? :confused:

I don't think so. Bought one a few months ago - not flush. Got a free one with recent MBP purchase ... not flush. I know they adjusted the iPhone's jack for the 3G last year, but the iPod Touch jacks I've seen do not look like those. <<shrug>>

Maybe my idea of flush is different than everyone else's? Maybe I'm just confused?

Dagless

Jun 23, 2009, 04:42 PM

So long as they up it to be 100% compatible with iPhone apps, minus the phone part, I'd be happy. And of course 64gb...

Given that I might have a job elsewhere in the world I think an iPhone is going to be out of the question for me so I'm considering an iPod Touch inplace of a fancy shmancy phone.

michael.lauden

Jun 23, 2009, 04:45 PM

The iPod touch already has a flush headphone jack right? :confused:

my girlfriend's iPod Touch 2G sure does...

if the iPod touch had the speed of the 3Gs and GPS it would be a force to be reckoned with.

if they added a mic - voice control, and if they added a camera it would outsell any device. especially if they kept the same price tags

dagamer34

Jun 23, 2009, 04:50 PM

And GPS.

GPS isn't that useful without a data connection.

yegon

Jun 23, 2009, 04:52 PM

It'll probably have a camera (w/ video), compass,voice controls and be 64GB. It just wont have phone capabilities. Knowing apple

Aye, a killer product that'd be. The sooner Apple shove 64gb in, the more likely the '10 iPhone will be 64gb, something I'll definitely updgrade to from my 3G.

hvfsl

Jun 23, 2009, 04:53 PM

It will most likely have the compass because I can see many games using it.

64GB is obvious (I wonder if they will phase out the 8GB or maybe the 16GB though).

GPS would be nice, but can't see it happening.

I also think we will likely see a video camera since the PSP and DS have the option of a camera now.

Otherwise it will probably be the same as the current one, but I would hope it will have an OED screen so MS won't have any features they can hold over the touch (the new Zune HD will have an OED screen).

TSX

Jun 23, 2009, 04:58 PM

+1 to that and a built in microphone just for the hell of it :D
I dont think there will be a built in mic if theres anything it will be in the headphones.
It'll probably have a camera (w/ video), compass,voice controls and be 64GB.

If theres no built in mic how is video going to sound?

T-Will

Jun 23, 2009, 04:58 PM

Hope they finally add a GSM radio! :p

smg9779

Jun 23, 2009, 05:03 PM

64gb 64gb 64gb 64gb 64gb for the love of god 64gb.

If they do not bump the capacity to 64gb I'm giving up on apple.

calsci

Jun 23, 2009, 05:03 PM

i hope they put that case that everyone thought was going to be on the iphone 3gs on the now touch. the metal case is terrible and so scratch prone.

o yeah and put peer to peer borrowing and a radio in it. o wait never mind that is the "cough" zune "cough" "Cough".

jzuena

Jun 23, 2009, 05:04 PM

GPS isn't that useful without a data connection.

My wifes Garmin Nuvi doesn't have a data connection and it is plenty useful :D

SkippyThorson

Jun 23, 2009, 05:09 PM

iFPGA is Apple's field-programmable gate array that they use for testing iPhone ROM revisions and stuff. That's internal, and will never be a product.

Agreed. :)

iProd / iTablet, however; 2010.

Jimmy James

Jun 23, 2009, 05:11 PM

GPS isn't that useful without a data connection.

My wifes Garmin Nuvi doesn't have a data connection and it is plenty useful :D

Exactly.

I would say GPS that is dependent on a data connection isn't that useful.

pika2000

Jun 23, 2009, 05:14 PM

Err, it's obvious that iPod Touch is going to be refreshed, just like Apple have been doing with the iPod lineup for years. :rolleyes:

1 big hing that I want for the Touch is a built-in microphone, and/or proper support for bluetooth headsets. It would be the perfect Skype phone.

Other than that, I expect Apple would bring the Touch to the same CPU+GPU as the iPhone 3GS so developers can optimize their apps more for the new GPU knowing that there will be a lot more userbase. Adding the same camera as the 3GS with video recording would be even more awesome. GPS + Geotagging would be great too. Heck, damn it Apple, just sell the freakin iPhone unlocked. :rolleyes:

twoodcc

Jun 23, 2009, 05:16 PM

a camera would be nice on the touch. the touch has been so successful, i bet that they'll do it

Jimmy James

Jun 23, 2009, 05:16 PM

I'll be getting the next ipod touch. As long as they upgrade the processor.

I'm also really hoping for the camera and gps to make it in. I would get a great deal of use out of those.

bruinsrme

Jun 23, 2009, 05:19 PM

Its the Iphone NANO!!!!
:D
* Couldn't resist :rolleyes:

Would it be a kicker if it was and on the verizon network

note235

Jun 23, 2009, 05:20 PM

IMO itrs really unlikely that GPS will be on.
iPhone uses AGPS---ipod doesnt have constant connection and drains battery very fast

Jimmy James

Jun 23, 2009, 05:21 PM

Heck, damn it Apple, just sell the freakin iPhone unlocked. :rolleyes:

That's exactly what I want. But I'd have to pay full retail to get the iphone AND keep my very favorable cell plan. No thanks.

Jimmy James

Jun 23, 2009, 05:23 PM

IMO itrs really unlikely that GPS will be on.
iPhone uses AGPS---ipod doesnt have constant connection and drains battery very fast

The iPhone benefits from AGPS but is not dependent on it.

AGPS =/= GPS.

nemaslov

Jun 23, 2009, 05:34 PM

NOW can we get a thin 240GB Classic? Yeah I know I know but some of us have HUGE libraries

puffnstuff

Jun 23, 2009, 05:34 PM

Mic-Yes please

Camera- I would love to see the 3GS cam but we will probably end up with a 3g cam in it. Oh well I will still use it.

Compass- Yes, I can't wait to see what kind of games can be used with it.

GPS- No, it will make it too thick. I would rather a 3G router that connects into the dock connector so I can have both constant data and gps

and make it smaller it has too much bezel action! Or make the screen fit the entire thing!

As for the Tablet I think that will be released after the iPod event. Why would they rush to update and rebrand the lineup if they are going to wait until 2010?

Pugpuppydude

Jun 23, 2009, 05:34 PM

... And now begins the iPod 2009 rumor fest!!!

walnuts

Jun 23, 2009, 05:36 PM

64gb 64gb 64gb 64gb 64gb for the love of god 64gb.

If they do not bump the capacity to 64gb I'm giving up on apple.

Is 64gb possible? From what I understood before the 3gs, the maximum chips were 16gb and the ipod had two positions for chips (making a 32gb possible) while the iphone had only one (the remainder of the space needed for phone-specific internals), allowing only for 16gb. Did the 3G S free up space for two chips or is apple using higher density chips now (paving the way for a 64gb touch)?

TheMechanic

Jun 23, 2009, 05:37 PM

NOW can we get a thin 240GB Classic? Yeah I know I know but some of us have HUGE libraries

I would imagine that with the introduction of a 128GB touch (maybe Sept. 2010) the iPod classic would be discontinued. But Maybe even this year with the intro of the 64GB touch version.

mex4eric

Jun 23, 2009, 05:38 PM

New iPod touch will have camera, microphone, same processor but clocked faster. Remember the iPhone 3 GS is underclocked to save power. The touch without GSM radio will use less power, so can be clocked faster.

walnuts

Jun 23, 2009, 05:45 PM

I would imagine that with the introduction of a 128GB touch (maybe Sept. 2010) the iPod classic would be discontinued. But Maybe even this year with the intro of the 64GB touch version.

I agree- its unfortunate, but the classic's a gonner- there's no reason for them to maintain the classic software platform and a hard drive based ipod. In my opinion, they have always been too fragile to be truly considered "portable". It was my experience that they had a 1-2 drop lifespan.

I agree that some people need the space, but I'm not sure if enough do to justify apple maintaining the product.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 05:47 PM

Its the Iphone NANO!!!!

:D

* Couldn't resist :rolleyes:

It's not the iphone nano. Clearly the model number indicates along the line of ipod touch.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 05:52 PM

Hope they finally add a GSM radio! :p

Not a chance. You can dream all you want!

SAIRUS

Jun 23, 2009, 05:53 PM

As apple tends to like use similar objects to probably keep price down...

Ooooh a 3mp camera, soo pimp.

If apple was smart, they'd up the camera up a lot to make the touch stand out. Still if it were to get a huge raise, then I wouldn't be surprised if it showed up in the next iPhone.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 05:57 PM

jdaco6

Jun 23, 2009, 05:57 PM

Scottsdale

Jun 23, 2009, 06:09 PM

I think 3G service from AT&T is a no brainer... Apple and AT&T are supposedly working on offering other devices the 3G service. We all assumed that to be the iTablet device, but the iPod Touch is perfect for it. This of all of the people that want an iPhone but are really happy with their phone service or don't want AT&T for phone as doesn't work greatest for dropped calls in their area. These people would love to have all of the features, and they could in an iPod Touch 3G device. Also, the maps, GPS, and compass apps could work great too, but they need the data service (perfect additional reason for people to pay for 3G). This would most definitely be an optional thing but AT&T could make some bank selling $30 3G service to all iPod Touch buyers too. And possibly $100 off for subsidy???

Apple would most definitely charge more for such a device too! That may be the only reason it wouldn't happen in this economy??? But seems like a no brainer to me!

SandynJosh

Jun 23, 2009, 06:10 PM

Exactly.

I would say GPS that is dependent on a data connection isn't that useful.

That, and the highways would be littered with USB cables...

Dagless

Jun 23, 2009, 06:12 PM

NOW can we get a thin 240GB Classic? Yeah I know I know but some of us have HUGE libraries

I hear ya. My ideal iPod collection would be a Classic for storing almost everything, an Touch for PDA like functions and a Shuffle for adventures. I just hope they don't drop the Classic yet and I really hope they up its capacity... At least bring back 160gb.

SandynJosh

Jun 23, 2009, 06:17 PM

Is 64gb possible? From what I understood before the 3gs, the maximum chips were 16gb and the ipod had two positions for chips (making a 32gb possible) while the iphone had only one (the remainder of the space needed for phone-specific internals), allowing only for 16gb. Did the 3G S free up space for two chips or is apple using higher density chips now (paving the way for a 64gb touch)?

You are essentially correct. However, 64Gb chips were shown at the CES show early this year. With them the iTouch could hold 128Gb, but that would be obscene.

genosseinski

Jun 23, 2009, 06:18 PM

sounds good, even for iPhone customers. The more iPod Touches sold, the more we will benefit from it, because due to a bigger market we will enjoy even more professional apps from even more developers ;) .

AppStore becomes more and more important :)

Makindosh

Jun 23, 2009, 06:21 PM

I am still waiting for an iPod Touch with a camera so I can take good quality videos and images.

Howardchief

Jun 23, 2009, 06:23 PM

I personally think they're going to introduce two models :rolleyes:

1. iPod Touch 64 gb with mic, compass, faster cpu and graphics
2. iPod Touch HD (250 gb hard drive) with mic, compass, faster cpu and graphics replacing the old classic ipod with hard drive.

Sorry, but no camera yet.
:)

You really think it will be 250 gb?

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention ipod HD with reports of a HD zune.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 06:44 PM

You really think it will be 250 gb?

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention ipod HD with reports of a HD zune.

no man, apple is never going to make an ipod with a hard drive anymore. but i can still wish for it. i would so love to see an ipod touch with 500GB drive. thats what i want.

I have an ipod touch 32 gb.. man o man, is it slow transferring data back and forth to my notebook. i filled it up and it takes me over 4 hours to backup everything. This is silly. What would you think a 64gb or 128gb backup times be?

That's why i want a hard drive version where I can transfer data faster. These solid state devices are nice but DAMN are they SLOW.

I was not comparing with Zune HD... I was referring to iPod touch with HD or hard drive

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 06:58 PM

iPod Touch with Accelerometer & Compass versus Sony PlayStation 3 Motion-Sensing Controller

I bet you can configure an iphone 3G S or to be ipod touch with Accelerometer & Compass to behave exactly like the upcoming Sony Motion-Sensing Controller.

Howardchief

Jun 23, 2009, 07:11 PM

I was not comparing with Zune HD... I was referring to iPod touch with HD or hard drive

Oh I knew what you meant. I just think it's interesting not a lot of other people are "asking" for HD. I'd rather have HD than a camera. But that's just me.
I certainly want HD more than I want any other feature mentioned in this thread.

Does it really take 4 hours? I had an iPod touch briefly last summer when I got a MBP, but traded it to a friend for an iPhone which I don't keep full of music of movies. So my backup times, though longer than I think they should be be, aren't four hours. Do you keep movies on yours? Is that what takes the most time?

VaatiKaiba

Jun 23, 2009, 07:14 PM

What I'd personally use / benefit from:

- Some sort of cheap data plan
- GPS / compass
- video camera
- mic

And what I've just listed is basically everything that differentiates the touch and the iPhone. Hmm. I get the feeling this ain't happening. But even if it had the video camera, instant upgrade from 2G.

But I'm not buying an iPhone due to the horrendous plans over here (Ireland = O2 = $$ / €€)

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 07:20 PM

Oh I knew what you meant. I just think it's interesting not a lot of other people are "asking" for HD. I'd rather have HD than a camera. But that's just me.
I certainly want HD more than I want any other feature mentioned in this thread.

Does it really take 4 hours? I had an iPod touch briefly last summer when I got a MBP, but traded it to a friend for an iPhone which I don't keep full of music of movies. So my backup times, though longer than I think they should be be, aren't four hours. Do you keep movies on yours? Is that what takes the most time?

Yep, full of movies, TV shows and games. i'm always downloading new shows and deleting the ones that I have watched. The initial backup takes 4 hours. The incremental backups are shorter from 30 minutes to 1 hour. Still this is pathetic.

DCJ001

Jun 23, 2009, 07:21 PM

I dont think there will be a built in mic if theres anything it will be in the headphones.

If theres no built in mic how is video going to sound?

Without a mic, the video will sound like this:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/956282935_17c6fe2059_o.gif

There are easy to use external mics available:

http://www.switcheasy.com/products/ThumbTacks/ThumbTacks.php

jamontoast1291

Jun 23, 2009, 07:23 PM

I'm excited to see what happens with the next iPod touch. I'm not entirely sure what else they're going to do. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for OLED but I doubt it.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 07:33 PM

Lets see whats left (touch version)

1G and 2G:
First we got touch screen
Then we got Accelerometer (well, both actually)

3G:
Now we're getting Compass

4G:
Hmm, how about Altimeter (no depth)?

5G:
Maybe a Barometer here?

6G:
And a Thermometer?

7G:
Finally water resistant Altimeter-Depth meter.

Master Chief

Jun 23, 2009, 07:37 PM

Camera ... maybe
GPS ... probably not
Flush headphone jack ... hopefully
Compass ... probably not
Microphone ... would be nice
I would rather be surprised when GPS and compass are not included, simply because nav apps can't do much without GPS, and too many people now have to purchase other non Apple devices for fun outdoor stuff – quickly becoming a booming business.

currentinterest

Jun 23, 2009, 07:40 PM

BJB Productions

Jun 23, 2009, 07:45 PM

Just what I have been holding out for...I have the 1st gen touch...but didn't get the 2nd gen because i've been holding out for the camera..And yes, a mic in it would be sweet. I think it is possible they could do that.. but then really, it would be the iphone 3G without the phone. ;)

Master Chief

Jun 23, 2009, 07:47 PM

Lets see whats left (touch version)
...
4G:
Hmm, how about Altimeter (no depth)?
...
That's already possible with the iPhone – it can rely on GPS signals only, but combined devices i.e. with GPS and barometric data are far more accurate.

Beric

Jun 23, 2009, 07:51 PM

Please oh please GPS.

Billy Boo Bob

Jun 23, 2009, 07:52 PM

4G:
Hmm, how about Altimeter (no depth)?

Well, if it gets GPS, it gets an altimeter, if the software utilizes it.

MattG

Jun 23, 2009, 07:59 PM

Pleeeeeeeeeease...just 64GB (or more), that's all I ask for. HD would be sweet but, all I really want is the capacity for more tunes. And the better less-fingerprinty screen that they put in the iPhone would sure be a nice addition too.

brendanspah764

Jun 23, 2009, 07:59 PM

iPod touch:
OLED display
720p video camera (iPhone capable of this, but not implemented; + auto focus still camera)
Mic
GPS (for use with Turn-by turn Apps)
Compass
Stereo Bluetooth
16-32-64 GB

iPod Nano
640 X 480 Video (+ auto focus still camera)
A camera/video + iPod would be a great combo for the iPod Nano
8-16-32 GB

goodbye classic

I don't see the iPod classic going anywhere anytime soon. It will probably get a slimmer case, and maybe a few new features but that's about it.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 08:02 PM

Well, if it gets GPS, it gets an altimeter, if the software utilizes it.

I thought a GPS just gives you latitude and longitude!
When did it start doing altitude?

Are they triangulating between 2 or more satellites with your GPS device to calculate the height? So its mathematical calculation and not true measurement.

marold280

Jun 23, 2009, 08:04 PM

if a new touch comes out will i be able to get it with the student deal ?

BJB Productions

Jun 23, 2009, 08:10 PM

Oh yeah, thats another thing-- Wouldn't it make sense that they might launch it in time for the back to school deal they usually do in the fall?:confused:

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 08:10 PM

How come there isn't a MacPaint app for ipod touch? Or even MacWrite.

I would love to see Apple port HyperCard to iPhone OS 3.0. Do all your development on your ipod touch :) Create cards and put fields, text, and buttons on it and script using HyperTalk.

on mouseUp
put "100,100" into pos
repeat with x = 1 to the number of card buttons
set the location of card button x to pos
add 15 to item 1 of pos
end repeat
end mouseUp

on mouseDown
put "Disk:Folder:MyFile" into filePath -- no need to declare variables
if there is a file filePath then
open file filePath
read from file filePath until return
put it into cd fld "some field"
close file filePath
set the textStyle of character 1 to 10 of card field "some field" to bold
end if
end mouseDown

LOLZ. I LOVE THIS programming language!!!. Its the best language ever written!!!

misshoney

Jun 23, 2009, 08:10 PM

I hope this itouch will have more memory and to top it off with a camera

Master Chief

Jun 23, 2009, 08:21 PM

I thought a GPS just gives you latitude and longitude! When did it start doing altitude?
Since Latitude and Longitude plus Time gives you the approximate Altitude.

I thought a GPS just gives you latitude and
Are they triangulating between 2 or more satellites with your GPS device to calculate the height? So its mathematical calculation and not true measurement.
Four even, and yes a barometric altimeter (Garmin user here) is more accurate, but that needs constant calibration, unlike GPS altimeters – which Apple or some app developer can release in a matter of days.

BigTRQ

Jun 23, 2009, 08:22 PM

Everyone keeps saying "GPS". Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the TomTom set-up for the iPhone 3G/3G S (the cradle, I'm speaking of) have a GPS chip already in it like any other TomTom unit? Why would the touch need to have GPS, when the manufacturers/distributors of GPS hardware/software already provide the GPS chip?

(I really hope that the TomTom unit can be used with an iPod touch 2nd generation. I'm failing to see why it won't work.)

Master Chief

Jun 23, 2009, 08:32 PM

Everyone keeps saying "GPS". Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the TomTom set-up for the iPhone 3G/3G S (the cradle, I'm speaking of) have a GPS chip already in it like any other TomTom unit? Why would the touch need to have GPS, when the manufacturers/distributors of GPS hardware/software already provide the GPS chip?
That's the question, because neither the WWDC keynotes nor the TomTom website (http://iphone.tomtom.com/) says anything but: "enhanced GPS performance".

I guess that you should ask: "Why include a GPS device when the iPhone already has one?" since Tom Tom currently "only" speaks about the iPhone app.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 08:33 PM

If apple can port something similar to HyperCard for iPod touch then you dont need Xcode to develop applications. You can just create your stacks of programs using HyperCard or should I say TouchCard :) all on your device and write the scripts using TouchTalk. :D

Man, this would made this device even more popular to kids and all ages.

:rolleyes:
HyperCard = TouchCard
HyperTalk = TouchTalk

I think I have something here. I do hope apple is reading this.

I think I'll submit this idea to Apple - Support - Suggestions website.
Who knows!!!

expatinasia

Jun 23, 2009, 08:56 PM

"I would rather be surprised..."

Than spooned like a goose? I think you mean "I would be rather surprised".

griz

Jun 23, 2009, 08:57 PM

My predictions in bold.

0x1290 iPhone1,1 - iPhone
0x1291 iPod1,1 - iPod touch
0x1292 iPhone1,2 - iPhone 3G
0x1293 iPod2,1 - iPod touch 2G
0x1294 iPhone2,1 - iPhone 3G [s] (previously unknown)
0x1295 iProd0,1 - laptop replacement size tablet
0x1296 iPod2,2 - touch 64gig
0x1297 iPhone3,1 - 3G capable tablet
0x1298 iFPGA - upgraded AppleTV/gaming platform
0x1299 iPod3,1 - touch w/camera video compass

We should also see the EOL of the white MacBook and the AIR with the tablet taking the place of both as cheap and light.
Coming in a September special announcement with Steve as host.

sphoenix

Jun 23, 2009, 09:00 PM

64gb 64gb 64gb 64gb 64gb for the love of god 64gb.

If they do not bump the capacity to 64gb I'm giving up on apple.Just sit tight. Even the 128gb is being planned ;)

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by smg9779 View Post
64gb 64gb 64gb 64gb 64gb for the love of god 64gb.

If they do not bump the capacity to 64gb I'm giving up on apple.

And go with who? Who makes MP3 players with 64GB?

Shunnabunich

Jun 23, 2009, 09:08 PM

I think I have something here. I do hope apple is reading this.

I think I'll submit this idea to Apple - Support - Suggestions website.
Who knows!!!

Cue "It is our policy not to accept unsolicited ideas". :rolleyes:

I myself have a certain Special Thing that I would love love love to see Apple make — not least because Apple is the only company that could truly pull it off — and I'd be willing to sign NDAs up the wazoo just to find out if they're working on it or not, let alone to get to pitch it to them if they aren't.

But there's always...The Policy. (*thunder*)

iMacmatician

Jun 23, 2009, 09:15 PM

NOW can we get a thin 240GB Classic? Yeah I know I know but some of us have HUGE librariesIt depends on the largest hard drives available, it was 120 GB last year and with the new MacBook Air still having 120 GB, I'm not sure if we'll see a capacity increase. They might keep selling the iPod classic 120 GB at the same price and silently drop it next year.

I myself have a certain Special Thing that I would love love love to see Apple make — not least because Apple is the only company that could truly pull it off — and I'd be willing to sign NDAs up the wazoo just to find out if they're working on it or not, let alone to get to pitch it to them if they aren't.I am in this exact same boat too.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 09:20 PM

It depends on the largest hard drives available, it was 120 GB last year and with the new MacBook Air still having 120 GB, I'm not sure if we'll see a capacity increase. They might keep selling the iPod classic 120 GB at the same price and silently drop it next year.

I am in this exact same boat too.

I have emailed them 5 cool ideas that would make this device kick ass. But to this day i have not gotten any response. I wonder rather they're actually reading those enhancement request!!! or are we really emailing into their spam folder?

:confused: I guess I'm a bad inventor.

na1577

Jun 23, 2009, 09:29 PM

Please Apple? :D

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 09:34 PM

Remember when everyone said that iPod will never be a portable game console. Well, it is now and its kicking butts.

And then they said Apple TV will never be a game console. Well, I think apple begs to differ and will turn heads in the next release. :rolleyes:

BTW

Jun 23, 2009, 09:35 PM

Master Chief

Jun 23, 2009, 09:37 PM

"I would rather be surprised..."
Than spooned like a goose? I think you mean "I would be rather surprised".
Oh great :o

Currently experiencing my first power failure this year :mad: and typing in the dark is not really my thing at (now) 3:36am without my usual wake up cappuccino so yeah... I suck (my new UPS works great though, but it lacks the juice for my room lights).

LOL I am actually going to use my flashlight now, and walk down the kitchen and boil some water in a kettle for a "manual" cappuccino.

Shunnabunich

Jun 23, 2009, 09:38 PM

I have emailed them 5 cool ideas that would make this device kick ass. But to this day i have not gotten any response. I wonder rather they're actually reading those enhancement request!!! or are we really emailing into their spam folder?

:confused: I guess I'm a bad inventor.

Well, being that it's a form that they get lots of other, non-idea-related stuff from, they would have to read it just to know whether to pursue the comment/question further or throw it in the "idea spam" pile. And it doesn't mean you're a bad inventor, just that they're covering their butts. ;) (They basically have to say "la la la, we're not listening" so that if they do incidentally come up with something that's eerily close to someone's submitted idea, they don't get sued for supposedly ripping it off.)

branjosef

Jun 23, 2009, 09:51 PM

i thought it had a mic already. Shows how much I know. I see no major revolutionary features. I see it piggybacking the iphone in terms of new features. It might not have all of them, but it wont be anything "amazing" and "revolutionary". Also storage will probably get boosted to 64Gb. Yeah, another less than spectacular release.

Now when they start incorporating multi-core into touches and iphones....

hmmmmmmm

MacAndy74

Jun 23, 2009, 09:56 PM

If Apple releases an updated iPod Touch with a camera / new processor, and decreases the price of the 32GB Model - I'm buying! :D

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 09:58 PM

Please Apple? :D

Don't you mean something like this!!! :)

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 10:07 PM

I love competition between Apple and MS. My hope is that Apple makes a technologically advanced iPod Touch that beats the pants off of the MS Zune HD.

An iPod Touch with a camera and light and a HI-RES OLED display would be great for starters. Same brains as the iPhone 3GS and 32Gb and 64Gb RAM versions would also be appreciated. GPS should be added in there as well since that does not rely on the cell networks. :cool:

The one think I like about Zune HD is that it has a flat back.

iPod touch with the rounded curvatures makes my rulers and balancing tools useless. Am I the only one that noticed this. And when I put the iPod touch on my desk to use it like a calculator and as I press on the touch buttons it keeps wobbling making it difficult to use. In some ways I would have liked it better if the ipod touch had a flat back and straight edges.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 10:15 PM

Well, being that it's a form that they get lots of other, non-idea-related stuff from, they would have to read it just to know whether to pursue the comment/question further or throw it in the "idea spam" pile. And it doesn't mean you're a bad inventor, just that they're covering their butts. ;) (They basically have to say "la la la, we're not listening" so that if they do incidentally come up with something that's eerily close to someone's submitted idea, they don't get sued for supposedly ripping it off.)

I personally don't believe they read any of those emails.

I think they use some sort of data mining software that looks for patterns and frequencies and extracts them to the researcher versus someone actually opening the email and looking at what someone said.

Basically if there is an idea or a suggestion that a lot of people are requesting that will show up in the mining of the data which then can be compiled, formatted and presented as a report to the researchers.

That's what I would do when your being bombarded with thousands if not millions of emails a day.

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 10:18 PM

i thought it had a mic already.
hmmmmmmm

It's does its just external. Yes, weird as it sound.

Eidorian

Jun 23, 2009, 10:19 PM

The waiting begins.

pooryou

Jun 23, 2009, 10:26 PM

NOW can we get a thin 240GB Classic? Yeah I know I know but some of us have HUGE libraries

+1

Don't even care if it's thin, just need more capacity.

Shunnabunich

Jun 23, 2009, 10:33 PM

griz

Jun 23, 2009, 10:54 PM

I personally don't believe they read any of those emails.

I think they use some sort of data mining software that looks for patterns and frequencies and extracts them to the researcher versus someone actually opening the email and looking at what someone said.

Basically if there is an idea or a suggestion that a lot of people are requesting that will show up in the mining of the data which then can be compiled, formatted and presented as a report to the researchers.

That's what I would do when your being bombarded with thousands if not millions of emails a day.

This might clarify your concerns.
http://www.apple.com/legal/policies/ideas.html

chaosconan

Jun 23, 2009, 10:59 PM

This might clarify your concerns.
http://www.apple.com/legal/policies/ideas.html

lolz, I love this part.

You agree that: (1) your submissions and their contents will automatically become the property of Apple, without any compensation to you :rolleyes:; (2) Apple may use or redistribute the submissions and their contents for any purpose and in any way; (3) there is no obligation for Apple to review the submission; and (4) there is no obligation to keep any submissions confidential.

So straightforward. :)

SactoGuy18

Jun 23, 2009, 11:03 PM

An iPod touch based on the iPhone 3Gs is definitely coming this September. I expect it to offer 16, 32 and 64 GB storage capacities, especially since the iPod touch lacks the circuitry needed for a cellphone.

As for the iPod classic, don't be surprised if we see one last "refresh" based on the 6G classic, but now with have hard drive capacity increased from 120 GB single platter drive to 160 GB single platter drive. This will be the last iteration of the classic until the iPod touch gets a 128 GB model in September 2010.

Chundles

Jun 23, 2009, 11:06 PM

I don't think so. Bought one a few months ago - not flush. Got a free one with recent MBP purchase ... not flush. I know they adjusted the iPhone's jack for the 3G last year, but the iPod Touch jacks I've seen do not look like those. <<shrug>>

Maybe my idea of flush is different than everyone else's? Maybe I'm just confused?

It is flush in the sense that you can use any headphones you like with the iPod touch. People are remembering the recessed jack on the iPhone that severely limited the headphones you could use.

It's a very sculpted design but the jack itself doesn't limit you choice of headphone.

pooryou

Jun 23, 2009, 11:06 PM

160GB Classic wouldn't cut it, have already had one for one and a half years.
Has to be a lot larger than that.

I honestly think it is the iPod Classic OS that is limiting size, not hardware.
The OS can't handle that much media, it grinds to a halt. HOPEFULLY they have a new Classic OS for a new large capacity model.

iMacmatician

Jun 23, 2009, 11:23 PM

As for the iPod classic, don't be surprised if we see one last "refresh" based on the 6G classic, but now with have hard drive capacity increased from 120 GB single platter drive to 160 GB single platter drive. This will be the last iteration of the classic until the iPod touch gets a 128 GB model in September 2010.Does the iPod classic use 5 mm or 8 (?) mm hard drives?

Makindosh

Jun 24, 2009, 12:18 AM

Apple, please add a camera and microphone to iPod Touch next time! Make sure I can take videos and pictures! I don't need the iPhone!

Jimmy James

Jun 24, 2009, 12:20 AM

Apple, please add a camera and microphone to iPod Touch next time! Make sure I can take videos and pictures! I don't need the iPhone!

Exactly! Apple thinks you do need the iPhone.

ENY7

Jun 24, 2009, 12:46 AM

I would imagine the next iPod Touch having a built in microphone, as Apple seems to be heading towards interaction and connectivity (MobileMe: Push, iPhone: Voice Control) Adding voice control to your iPod Touch would be the most likely step, allowing developers a larger platform to work with. The only issue becomes differentiating the iPhone from the iPod Touch with Skype. However 3G will never come to the iPod Touch so GPS and more "Blackberry-esque" functions will never reach the iPod Touch.

ksgant

Jun 24, 2009, 01:13 AM

Jimmy James

Jun 24, 2009, 01:17 AM

However 3G will never come to the iPod Touch so GPS and more "Blackberry-esque" functions will never reach the iPod Touch.

I fail to see the connection between 3G and GPS.

Jimmy James

Jun 24, 2009, 01:20 AM

As others have probably said already, I want everything the iPhone 3Gs has on it...except the phone. Give us that. Camera, Video, Internet, GPS, Compass etc etc.

Sorry, can't afford the $70 dollar A MONTH cheapest At&t fee. :(

I agree in principle.

I'm grandfathered into a plan with unlimited minutes for not a lot of money. The only way I can get the iphone is to pay full retail price, which is still cheaper than changing plans.

Fuzzen

Jun 24, 2009, 02:01 AM

Im busting to get my hand's on Snow Leopard this september? Which will be mentioned at Apple's Media Event about a proper release date? And what i wouldn't give for an iPod Touch with GPS, Compass, Camera, Microphone, Better Graphics and a 64GB model, i feel pretty confident about a 64GB model, better graphics and a microphone!

Can't Wait! :D

emulator

Jun 24, 2009, 02:57 AM

awesome, an ipod touch refresh; truly unexpected.

archurban

Jun 24, 2009, 03:03 AM

awesome, an ipod touch refresh; truly unexpected.

unexpected? well, it's been upgraded since first Gen. ipod touch came out. it was September every year. first gen. is ipod 1,1, second one is ipod 2,1. so ipod 3,1 is definitely new 3G ipod touch. by the way, hard drive base ipod will be totally obsolete. just take a look at the market. flash is dominated. now, you can even install up to 256GB.

iSamurai

Jun 24, 2009, 04:26 AM

well what else could it be??? This article is kinda obvious.

Chundles

Jun 24, 2009, 04:31 AM

Does the iPod touch use 5 mm or 8 (?) mm hard drives?

5mm single platter HDDs. Same as in the MacBook Air.

The thicker iPods used the 8mm double platter disks. These currently are at 240GB but I'd hate to see a classic at that capacity going from how laggy the 160GB classic was compared to anything flash based or even the smaller 5G iPods. My 30GB 5.5G iPod is far more responsive than any of the classics.

I also believe the iPod classic will vanish when we hit 128GB in the touch though I don't think that will be for some time.

chaosconan

Jun 24, 2009, 07:47 AM

Does the iPod touch use 5 mm or 8 (?) mm hard drives?

I think you have a typo and meant iPod Classic.
Though I'm always wishing that the touch will inherit the classic's drive feature.
Maybe this round I'll get my wish. One can only hope :)

reckless2k2

Jun 24, 2009, 09:43 AM

Everyone is speculating a camera as a lock in but can it or any other possible features fit in the current form factor. I know we can easily see a doubling in capacity (64GB) but I'm not sure how much else without changing the form factor. At this point, i don't know that they would want to change the form factor. I think it's a given that all the iPod Shuffle features will make it's way in but the hardware will be in the headphones much like the 3GS headphones were upgraded.

I seriously doubt we will see a form factor change to accommodate most of the speculation.

The question is, can the device support a camera in it's current form while increasing the capacity? I have SERIOUS doubts there will be video because I don't think the current form factor can support a capacity upgrade, camera, and on-board mic.

iMacmatician

Jun 24, 2009, 10:37 AM

I think you have a typo and meant iPod Classic.Yes it's a typo. Thanks for telling me.

joro

Jun 24, 2009, 10:41 AM

awesome, an ipod touch refresh; truly unexpected.

:rolleyes:

WeegieMac

Jun 24, 2009, 11:26 AM

As others have probably said already, I want everything the iPhone 3Gs has on it...except the phone. Give us that. Camera, Video, Internet, GPS, Compass etc etc.

Sorry, can't afford the $70 dollar A MONTH cheapest At&t fee. :(

Unfortunately, Apple don't care if you or I cannot afford an iPhone and can "only" afford an iPod touch.

Apple will not blur the lines between the iPod touch and iPhone to the extent that all that's missing from the iPod touch is the phone. I noticed you also said, "Give us that. Camera, Video, Internet, GPS, Compass etc etc.".

The iPod touch already has internet via wi-fi, but if you expect Apple to provide the internet on the iPod touch via other means .... keep dreaming, it's not going to happen.

andybno1

Jun 24, 2009, 11:49 AM

ClassicMac247

Jun 24, 2009, 12:48 PM

They only give those out during the back to school specials, which will end very soon before the ipod touch is released.

They'd never give free - new - ipod touches.

What he's saying is that he got an iPod touch with his mbp and he wants to sell it before apple releases the new one. No one is so stupid as to think apple would actually give them something new for free.

afishertx

Jun 24, 2009, 12:50 PM

Probably coming out right after the "Buy a Mac, get an iPod" promotion

The "Buy a Mac, get an iPod" has always been used to dump off the old stock of iPods over the summer before the new ones come out in the fall.

manu chao

Jun 24, 2009, 01:01 PM

4G:
Hmm, how about Altimeter (no depth)?
5G:
Maybe a Barometer here?

Any altimeter is either based on a barometer and/or GPS (and barometer-based ones are much more precise but have to be constantly re-calibrated as the weather changes). For hiking a GPS-based altimeter is far less useful then a barometer-based one. I have an iPhone but still carry my barometer-based altimeter with me.

6G:
And a Thermometer?

To measure the temperature in your pocket?

jeffh

Jun 24, 2009, 01:06 PM

The "Buy a Mac, get an iPod" has always been used to dump off the old stock of iPods over the summer before the new ones come out in the fall.

But damn! I want one NOW!!!!

Tough to buy one now knowing the new ones are coming so soon - but I guess there's no guarantee the new ones will be able to be jailbroken quickly, so a 2G is waht I want anyway...maybe I'll get a refurb from Apple....

Makindosh

Jun 24, 2009, 01:33 PM

Any altimeter is either based on a barometer and/or GPS (and barometer-based ones are much more precise but have to be constantly re-calibrated as the weather changes). For hiking a GPS-based altimeter is far less useful then a barometer-based one. I have an iPhone but still carry my barometer-based altimeter with me.

To measure the temperature in your pocket?

What if I want to check my heart rate and my body temperature? That'd be cool.

Makindosh

Jun 24, 2009, 01:37 PM

Unfortunately, Apple don't care if you or I cannot afford an iPhone and can "only" afford an iPod touch.

Apple will not blur the lines between the iPod touch and iPhone to the extent that all that's missing from the iPod touch is the phone. I noticed you also said, "Give us that. Camera, Video, Internet, GPS, Compass etc etc.".

The iPod touch already has internet via wi-fi, but if you expect Apple to provide the internet on the iPod touch via other means .... keep dreaming, it's not going to happen.

I think the difference would be the phone. If iPod Touch has all features except the phone, even if you use Skype to communicate through iPod Touch it won't be as mobile/reliable as iPhone. People who need the a cell phone would get the iPhone, and people like me who don't need the phone, would get the iPod Touch.

WeegieMac

Jun 24, 2009, 01:38 PM

I genuinely think at most the new iPod touch will get the compass from the iPhone 3GS and a camera.

Design will remain the same, and a larger capacity is a cert.

only1one

Jun 24, 2009, 01:57 PM

ladies and gentleman...
The iPod touch [S]

chaosconan

Jun 24, 2009, 02:24 PM

Unfortunately, Apple don't care if you or I cannot afford an iPhone and can "only" afford an iPod touch.

Apple will not blur the lines between the iPod touch and iPhone to the extent that all that's missing from the iPod touch is the phone. I noticed you also said, "Give us that. Camera, Video, Internet, GPS, Compass etc etc.".

The iPod touch already has internet via wi-fi, but if you expect Apple to provide the internet on the iPod touch via other means .... keep dreaming, it's not going to happen.

I think they'll at least try to match the features of Nintendo DSi and PSP.

Right now Nintendo DSi has a cam so that means they'll include it into the Touch. Because none of them have a built-in GPS your not going to see it.

Jimmy James

Jun 24, 2009, 02:29 PM

ladies and gentleman...
The iPod touch [S]

Bingo.

griz

Jun 24, 2009, 03:31 PM

lolz, I love this part.

You agree that: (1) your submissions and their contents will automatically become the property of Apple, without any compensation to you :rolleyes:; (2) Apple may use or redistribute the submissions and their contents for any purpose and in any way; (3) there is no obligation for Apple to review the submission; and (4) there is no obligation to keep any submissions confidential.

So straightforward. :)

Actually, very straight forward. But if you need more straight forward then how about something like...

"Keep your ideas to yourself unless you don't mind us using them without any compensation to you. If you give us your idea, it's now ours to use, delete or ignore as we choose. Thanks"

Basically they don't want people sending in ideas all the while expecting that their idea is being considered when it is entirely possible they already have that idea and are implementing it. The person who submitted the idea could then turn around and sue them for using their idea without permission.

Powerbooky

Jun 24, 2009, 04:41 PM

RareEarthMetal

Jun 24, 2009, 08:36 PM

would have a camera with video capabilities

wireless N support(like above)

perhaps the fingerprint resistant face?

and thats being realistic I believe.

BJB Productions

Jun 24, 2009, 08:47 PM

would have a camera with video capabilities

wireless N support(like above)

perhaps the fingerprint resistant face?

and thats being realistic I believe.

Yeah, I would think they would add the fingerprint resistant face...I still think (and hope.:D) it will have a camera..I doubt the GPS...MAYBE the compass...But I wouldn't count on it.:rolleyes:.But that would be sweet.:cool:

chaosconan

Jun 24, 2009, 08:47 PM

Actually, very straight forward. But if you need more straight forward then how about something like...

"Keep your ideas to yourself unless you don't mind us using them without any compensation to you. If you give us your idea, it's now ours to use, delete or ignore as we choose. Thanks"

Basically they don't want people sending in ideas all the while expecting that their idea is being considered when it is entirely possible they already have that idea and are implementing it. The person who submitted the idea could then turn around and sue them for using their idea without permission.

They can have all my ideas and not compensate me :). I just want it implemented into the next ipod :D. Unfortunately, not everyone is so giving like me ;)

chaosconan

Jun 24, 2009, 08:51 PM

What does the S stand for in iPhone 3G S
Is it Surround?

macshill

Jun 24, 2009, 09:28 PM

The "Buy a Mac, get an iPod" has always been used to dump off the old stock of iPods over the summer before the new ones come out in the fall.

Exactly.

appledude222

Jun 24, 2009, 10:19 PM

BJB Productions

Jun 24, 2009, 10:23 PM

There's actually some logic in that.:confused:

Oh dear...Yep.:confused:

Thex1138

Jun 24, 2009, 11:23 PM

Remember the Bezel that appeared earlier in the year from Chinaontrade?

Well the iPod Touch Bezel is 'metalic dark grey' isn't it?

I could see it inheriting that bezel in a re-design..

pika2000

Jun 25, 2009, 12:51 AM

That's exactly what I want. But I'd have to pay full retail to get the iphone AND keep my very favorable cell plan. No thanks.
Who says you have to pay full price for unlocked phones? Unlocked != no subsidy. In Asian countries like Singapore, all subsidized high end phones, including iPhones, are unlocked out of the box. Only American consumers are fooled by the wireless providers that they have to lock the phones to subsidize them.

rye9

Jun 25, 2009, 12:59 AM

What does the S stand for in iPhone 3G S
Is it Surround?

Speed. :rolleyes:

fef714

Jun 25, 2009, 10:10 AM

+1 to that and a built in microphone just for the hell of it :D

Yes, that voice recorder app really bothers me, because I know I will never use it. Well unless I get those headphones with a built in mic, but that isn't happening... :(

fef714

Jun 25, 2009, 10:14 AM

GPS on iPod Touch is probably not going to happen, since its an iPod which is according to Apple: "all-about-the-music".

But... what I'm waiting for:

* 64GB at least
* wifi and/or bluetooth sync
* 5 GHz 802.11n wifi support (!!)

iPod touch is NOT all about the music, the iPod shuffle is the only one that can say that, and the nano and classic in a close second.

but of all the iPods, the iPod touch is the least about the music!

[rant over]

fef714

Jun 25, 2009, 10:16 AM

I think they'll at least try to match the features of Nintendo DSi and PSP.

Right now Nintendo DSi has a cam so that means they'll include it into the Touch. Because none of them have a built-in GPS your not going to see it.

Ya, but the DSi camera is sub VGA quality. it sucks

macintoshtoffy

Jul 1, 2009, 07:43 AM

I hope that it ends getting expanded to 64gb. Right now I have 56gb of music and I'd love to be able to have an iPod Touch.

branjosef

Jul 2, 2009, 02:31 PM

It has an accelerometer, probably get the compass (isn't that a magnetometer? - not sure) and the super cool new must have feature... a barometer. I could see the ads already...

"Introducing the ipod touch... Whats the weather like? "

Then this will cause a shift in our culture as everyone will be running out to best buy to by the coolest barometer to place next to their GPS in their car. Of course it will have to be placed in the window so everyone knows you have a barometer.