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Voltron
May 25, 2004, 12:44 PM
The press isn't reporting about this, too busy trying to make Bush look bad in Iraq.

Only 10 years after the genocide in Rwanda — a horror that Bill Clinton and Kofi Annan, the head peacekeeper at the United Nations, could have stopped — Human Rights Watch, at the beginning of May, delivered to the U.N. General Assembly a detailed report from the killing grounds in Darfur, a province of Sudan that is becoming thenew Rwanda.
The grim list of atrocities documented "how Sudanese government forces have overseen anddirectly participated in massacres, summary executions of civilians, burnings of towns and villages, and the forcible depopulation of wide swathes of land" inhabited for generations by black African tribes.

The black victims are Muslims, as are the Sudanese government's accomplices in this genocide — the Arab Janjaweed militias. Moreover, Bertrand Ramcharan, the United Nations' own high commissioner for human rights, told the Security Council that "some senior Sudanese officials privately admitted for the first time that Sudan had 'recruited, uniformed, armed, supported and sponsored' the (Arab) militias that have carried out the worst excesses in Darfur."
So what did the august U.N. Security Council do to stop this genocide — as it utterly failed to do in 1994 when 800,000 Rwandan citizens were massacred?
Nothing.
On May 7, the 15 nations on that feckless body said, after reading the report, that they would "discuss" the matter again in June.
A week later, from the busy killing fields, Zenaib Jabir, mother of a 3-year-old girl and 5-year-old boy, told Jonathan Clayton of the Times of London of how the Janjaweed, attacking her village in Darfur late one night, killed her husband and the other men, all unarmed, who were trying to defend the village.
She was gang raped. "I fought, but was not strong enough," she said. When she broke free, her children were gone. "I have no idea what happened — if they are dead or alive. I have not seen them since. I think about them all the time." If they are alive, like other children kidnapped by the Janjaweed in these raids, her son and daughter have been sold into slavery.
On April 7, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan had said of the massacres and rapes in Darfur that "the international community cannot stand idle." On the same day, President Bush declared, "I condemn these atrocities."
As a result of this pressure, including the horrific reports from Human Rights Watch, a 45-day cease-fire was supposed to start on April 11 between the government of Sudan and two groups — the Sudan Liberation Movement and the Justice and Equality Movement. Those forces are trying to protect the black African farmers being killed on the ground and bombed from the air by the Sudanese government.
The cease-fire didn't even last a day.
Further evidence of U.N. uselessness surfaced on April 23, when its Human Rights Commission refused to denounce the government of Sudan. It merely mumbled "concern" about blood-soaked Darfur.
Then, to compound the shame of the United Nations, on May 4, guess who was re-elected to a three-year term on the U.N. Human Rights Commission? The newly re-approved member, seated while the killings continued, is the Sudanese government in Khartoum. Walking out in disgust on that day, Sichan Siv, the American ambassador to the council, said that "the United States is perplexed and dismayed by the decision to put forward Sudan — a country that massacres its own African citizens."
And what did Mr. Annan say about the election of Sudan, and then about the Security Council's May 7 silence on the genocide? Not a word. This happened even though after Rwanda he piously had said, "Never again!"
What about the African governments on the Security Council? Surely they were more concerned about the killings and rapes of black Africans in Darfur?
In The Washington Post on May 8, Colum Lynch reported, "Council diplomats said the council's African governments — Angola, Algeria and Benin — opposed action (against the government of Sudan), arguing (with extraordinary irresponsibility) that it would constitute interference in a member state's internal affairs."
While the United Nations again disgraces itself, the Times of London reports that it's "hard to think that the misery could get any greater but the rains are on the way, and the few aid workers in the area say that will bring more disease, more suffering."
And starvation.
I do think Mr. Bush cares, as he did in trying to push Sudan into a peace treaty with the black Christians and animists in the South, who were, for so long, killed and enslaved by government forces. But, given the complete failure of the United Nations in this case, what is Mr. Bush going to do now to prevent another chorus, a decade from now, from keening "never again"?
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040523-094452-4812r.htm

This is as much anti bush as it is anti UN but the fact of the matter is all our troops are in Iraq we have none to spair so maybe the UN should be using their "other troops who aren't americans" to handle the above problem. Or do they actual have any? Do they even care since nothing there is actually going to make Bush look bad other than the fact that our forces are too busy to help. Not that we should go out and help everyone but isn't that one of the UN's alleged goals?



kuyu
May 25, 2004, 01:27 PM
The UN is a joke. I bet the Sudanese government outlawed the right to keep arms a few months before the genocide started. I read something about the direct correlation between the right to keep arms and genocide. They generally come as a pair.

Anyway, the UN is less concerned with human rights, and more concerned with bureacracy.

And for the media, they're too busy flaming Bush to cover the news.

"Rainstorms have begun to flood many parts of the midwest. In a related story, Republican George Bush allowed a glass of water to evaporate last night. Here with commentary is a lead advisor to presidential candidate John Kerry.
'It's obvious that Bush's carelessness with that glass of water lead to an overabundance of H2O vapor in the atmosphere. The real issue is not whether Bush caused the out of control rains, but whether or not this is the first monsoon the republicans are responsible for. These events, in our opinion, are just another example of the lack of foresight inherent in this administrations water evaporation policy. Senator Kerry, along with senators clinton and Kennedy are forming a joint subcommitee to investigate the nature of Bush's oversights regarding rain causing policy. We feel the American people deserve to know what this adminstration did to cause the rainy season, and why haliburton will be coordinating the clean up!'"

mactastic
May 25, 2004, 01:32 PM
I bet you wern't complaining when the media was flaming Clinton and not reporting the news, were ya? Nor were you complaining about the media when the coverage was positive about Bush either.

kuyu
May 25, 2004, 02:23 PM
I bet you wern't complaining when the media was flaming Clinton and not reporting the news, were ya? Nor were you complaining about the media when the coverage was positive about Bush either.

Nah, I used to hate Bush too. I was too young to vote (or care!) when Clinton was president. Anyways, it was an unrealistic, exagerated, over-the-top, intended to cause laughter, joke. Reverse the names and it's still funny, just not timely. I should have included a smiley :).

Oh yeah, been meaning to ask you Mactastic. Who's that in your 'tar?

blackfox
May 25, 2004, 03:20 PM
Kuyu, I think it is Micheal Stipe (REM) in mactastics' avatar, but I am not sure either...as far as Sudan is concerned, the US (or indeed, the world) has no particular strategic interest in it, and so it is seemingly just policy for the UN and the powers to say "shame on you". Sudan, to my knowledge has always, partly on account of it's area, been difficult and ill-governed, with war between Muslims and Animists (north vs south) and resulting famine. The last time the US ventured inside (to my knowledge) was for "operation moses" in late 1984 to early 1985, with the secret airlift of ethiopian Jews, who had fled the war and forced famine of Ethiopia, to Isreal from refugee camps in Sudan. There was obvious political and strategic reasoning that time, but even then, it should be noted, the rest of the ethiopian refugees were not helped...

mactastic
May 25, 2004, 03:43 PM
Oh yeah, been meaning to ask you Mactastic. Who's that in your 'tar?

That's G.G. Alllin (a far cry from Michael "Whiner" Stipe ;) ). I've been meaning to update since the avatars went 75x75, but just haven't gotten around to it.

Frohickey
May 25, 2004, 03:55 PM
The UN is a joke. I bet the Sudanese government outlawed the right to keep arms a few months before the genocide started. I read something about the direct correlation between the right to keep arms and genocide. They generally come as a pair.


Gun Control Sudan Style (http://www.lockstockandbarrel.org/Press%20Releases/gun_control_sudan_style.htm)
"In 1985 we were told to register our arms so we could be given ammunition. But it was a trick. All the ammunition was given to the Arabs. And in 1987 the government came and confiscated all the rifles."

My...my...cause (gun confiscation) and effect (genocide)????

Frohickey
May 25, 2004, 03:59 PM
If the media were concerned with the genocide in Africa, they should do one thing, repeat it ad infinitum, to convince the US to get involved.

They should repeat a rumor that Sudan is sitting atop a large quantity of oil deposits. That ought to get us running into that region to save it from itself. :eek:

Besides, what is a false rumor to the media, its not like they are averse to overhyping small news. Heck, they could even go to Sudan and bury a bottle of Valvoline 10W40. :p :D

skunk
May 25, 2004, 06:01 PM
That's G.G. Alllin (a far cry from Michael "Whiner" Stipe ;) ). I've been meaning to update since the avatars went 75x75, but just haven't gotten around to it.
I thought it was YOU! :eek: :D

skunk
May 25, 2004, 06:03 PM
My...my...cause (gun confiscation) and effect (genocide)????
Major problem with genocide over here since they took away our AK47s. :rolleyes:

mactastic
May 25, 2004, 06:08 PM
I thought it was YOU! :eek: :D

Lol, no I'm not in the habit of carving myself up with broken glass and defecating on my audience.

mactastic
May 25, 2004, 06:18 PM
My my... cause (tailpipe emissions) and effect (global warming)????
My my... cause (easy gun availability) and effect (high gun crime levels)????
My my... cause (invading Iraq) and effect (more terrorists created than destroyed)????

Note, in Frohickey world there is no need to actually establish a causal relationship with any evidence of any kind, it is enough to simply state it. Unless of course it goes against conservative dogma. :eek: :eek: :eek:

skunk
May 25, 2004, 06:20 PM
Lol, no I'm not in the habit of carving myself up with broken glass and defecating on my audience.
Ooops, sorry! :o
I wasn't aware of his personal habits...
I thought he looked quite fetching. :)

blackfox
May 25, 2004, 09:24 PM
That's G.G. Alllin (a far cry from Michael "Whiner" Stipe ;) ). I've been meaning to update since the avatars went 75x75, but just haven't gotten around to it.
sorry, it was a little small to discern...I saw what looked like a bald head, and figured the red on his body was somesort of ************ "artistic display...

Travl
May 25, 2004, 10:19 PM
Gun Control Sudan Style (http://www.lockstockandbarrel.org/Press%20Releases/gun_control_sudan_style.htm)


My...my...cause (gun confiscation) and effect (genocide)????


This article is so one sidedly written it is disgusting....atrocities have taken place on both sides....even in Rwanda both sides are said to have committed savage acts. This article makes it seems like its only christians being persecuted when in reality it is a christian government commiting atrosities as Im sure the other side is as well....war is a mother but it definately goes both ways in a situation like this that has been raging on for so long...