Why is managing the battery our problem?

[fondo890]

I purchased a 3GS and I am somewhat unhappy with the battery life. I read tons of posts on here about turn this off and this on and only this when you want it. But why is that our problem? I paid for this phone which is jam-packed with all of these cool features which allow the phone to be fast, help me to what I want to do, and entertain me. I don't think it should be the user's problem to turn this off because we aren't using it and this on because we are. I want to be able to use GPS when I want. I want to get my IMs and e-mails pushed to my phone. I want to use wifi or GPS anytime I want. I want to be able to see the screen with some amount of life. Why must we not be able to use our phone fully so we have enough battery to last the day? Doesn't seam right to me...

[TheSpaz]

I purchased a 3GS and I am somewhat unhappy with the battery life. I read tons of posts on here about turn this off and this on and only this when you want it. But why is that our problem? I paid for this phone which is jam-packed with all of these cool features which allow the phone to be fast, help me to what I want to do, and entertain me. I don't think it should be the user's problem to turn this off because we aren't using it and this on because we are. I want to be able to use GPS when I want. I want to get my IMs and e-mails pushed to my phone. I want to use wifi or GPS anytime I want. I want to be able to see the screen with some amount of life. Why must we not be able to use our phone fully so we have enough battery to last the day? Doesn't seam right to me...

Do whatever you want. Nobody is forcing you to turn stuff off. Use the iPhone the way you want and just plug it in when you need to. There's no reason to not have a car charger and a couple wall chargers around. If you use it at work, plug it in during the day. It's not bad for it to be plugged in.

[waterskier2007]

just so you know, most people have reported battery life getting better after a few charge cycles. i use everything on my phone (3G always, Wifi whenever im in a network, although not at work during the day, Push, fetch every 15 mins) and mine lasts 2 days. that is on a 3g iphone

[cmaier]

Why are the laws of physics MY problem? I paid for this phone, and it should expend infinite energy to entertain me, yet never need to be recharged!

[fondo890]

Why are the laws of physics MY problem? I paid for this phone, and it should expend infinite energy to entertain me, yet never need to be recharged!

People have said in other posts about background apps that the general user won't want to have to, or know that they have to, turn them on and off accordingly. Isn't this the same concept? I don't think it's that crazy to think that a cell phone should last more than the 3-5 hours that people are reporting. There's really no need to be rude.

[Que]

retarded thread.

go and moan in the hundreds of other threads about the battery, no need to start your own pointless thread.

[cellocello]

But yet people want to manage tons of background processes :rolleyes:

[Badandy]

I want 1000 hours of battery life!!


WWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH


There's really no need to be rude.

There is when you start a thread like this.

[fondo890]

retarded thread.

go and moan in the hundreds of other threads about the battery, no need to start your own pointless thread.

I don't believe anyone else brought this up. And if they did, I apologize that I don't live on this website enough to read every post.

I have never seen a site quite like MacRumors. Most of the people are so helpful, kind, and nice. Yet there are so many rude people who are so easily pissed off that other people don't have the same sexual attraction to Apple as they do and since we actually interact with real people and other people of the opposite sex they must go out of their way to post rude comments that are actually more pointless than the thread they are commenting on. If it's pointless, ignore it. Not hard. Get a life.

[lunarmac]

Battery life is not magic.

[Que]

the next person to start a battery thread should be shot.

[fondo890]

Cellocello- this was the real meaning of this thread. Why must we manage our batteries, but we aren't able to manage background apps. I wasn't complaining, I was more of bringing up a DISCUSSION.

[Que]

I don't believe anyone else brought this up. And if they did, I apologize that I don't live on this website enough to read every post.

I have never seen a site quite like MacRumors. Most of the people are so helpful, kind, and nice. Yet there are so many rude people who are so easily pissed off that other people don't have the same sexual attraction to Apple as they do and since we actually interact with real people and other people of the opposite sex they must go out of their way to post rude comments that are actually more pointless than the thread they are commenting on. If it's pointless, ignore it. Not hard. Get a life.

get a life? from the one that's here crying about the battery on their phone?

:D

i don't live here either, i'm just intelligent enough to know how to type in a "search" box. ummmm, you say if it's pointless then people should ignore it, yet you say my comments are pointless....and you commented on them. well done genius.

[cellocello]

Cellocello- this was the real meaning of this thread. Why must we manage our batteries, but we aren't able to manage background apps. I wasn't complaining, I was more of bringing up a DISCUSSION.

But if you don't want to 'manage' the battery by turning off services you don't use, why would you want to manage background processes which will invariably drain the battery even more (and maybe in unpredictable ways)?

[Badandy]

Cellocello- this was the real meaning of this thread. Why must we manage our batteries, but we aren't able to manage background apps. I wasn't complaining, I was more of bringing up a DISCUSSION.

That wasn't the real meaning of this thread. The real meaning was you complaining that the battery can't magically last an entire day if you're doing stuff that wears the battery down a lot. You know on your laptop how you can run the battery down in 1.5 hours or 4? You could edit video, or you could just be word processing? Yes? Well that's how the iPhone is. Why doesn't your laptop last the whole day? I know why, it's because batteries aren't unlimited and if Apple didn't put in a big touchscreen, GPS, or 3G people like YOU would be complaining about the lack of those features.

[Johnnybrav0]

Charge using a wall unit...charge it at night before you go to bed....charge it when you at work....

Iphone use battery power...it does not have a nuclear reactor...so yes it will need to be recharge...

I swear some people are letting the iphone own them....

[Guiyon]

I have never seen a site quite like MacRumors. Most of the people are so helpful, kind, and nice. Yet there are so many rude people who are so easily pissed off that other people don't have the same sexual attraction to Apple as they do and since we actually interact with real people and other people of the opposite sex they must go out of their way to post rude comments that are actually more pointless than the thread they are commenting on. If it's pointless, ignore it. Not hard. Get a life.

I don't see how other member's sexual activity relates to the iPhone's battery life.

Regarding the battery life, it's a matter of making tradeoffs. At the current size of the iPhone we currently do not have the technology to make a high-capacity battery that can do all of this for a sustained period of time. GPS, push, 3G, etc are not passive technologies! They require constant power to run and keep themselves updated. As other posters have said, if you want all the features running full-bore you need to have some sort of trade-off since all of the chips will be sucking up power.

As for your "But why is that our problem?" statement, it's mostly because the iPhone is not telepathic and does not have any form of AI so it cannot predict what you want to do with your phone. As a result, you have options to disable/enable what you use/don't use at your convenience! Amazing, ain't it?

[fondo890]

Right, because you know what I was thinking. I was trying to discuss that it's kind of stupid that in order to use our phone for the whole day we must disable half of it's features. Doesn't seam logical to me.

[Badandy]

Right, because you know what I was thinking. I was trying to discuss that it's kind of stupid that in order to use our phone for the whole day we must disable half of it's features. Doesn't seam logical to me.

That's because your sense of logic seems to be severely lacking.

I'll post my above comment again:

You know on your laptop how you can run the battery down in either 1.5 hours or 4? You could edit video, or you could just be word processing? Yes? Well that's how the iPhone is. Why doesn't your laptop last the whole day? I know why, it's because batteries aren't unlimited and if Apple didn't put in a big touchscreen, GPS, or 3G people like YOU would be complaining about the lack of those features.

[cellocello]

Right, because you know what I was thinking. I was trying to discuss that it's kind of stupid that in order to use our phone for the whole day we must disable half of it's features. Doesn't seam logical to me.

But that's not true - at least not in my case.

My phone battery lasts more than a whole day, and I feel I'm a pretty heavy user. I don't own a BT headset, so I turned BT off once when I first got the phone and that was that. Otherwise, I don't have to "manage" the battery at all.

[Que]

Right, because you know what I was thinking. I was trying to discuss that it's kind of stupid that in order to use our phone for the whole day we must disable half of it's features. Doesn't seam logical to me.

for a start, it's "seem", not "seam".

secondly, if you don't like it then just return the phone.

it's not hard.

[renewed]

Right, because you know what I was thinking. I was trying to discuss that it's kind of stupid that in order to use our phone for the whole day we must disable half of it's features. Doesn't seam logical to me.

But I bought the new Prius. Why can't I drive from California to NYC without refueling!!!! :mad:

Um... because everything has a limit and depending on amount of usage the fuel/battery life will deplete.

Oh okay. Stupid logical and reason driven answers...

:p

[anjinha]

I have 3G, Push, Wi-fi and Location Services on all the time. My 3G battery lasts me at least one day with heavy usage. With medium usage it lasts about a day and a half/two days.

[fondo890]

I didn't say I didn't like it, I was making a comment.

I for one have a life and will be going out now so don't expect a reply from me. Have fun spending your days on MacRumors complaining about other people complaining! You really waste more effort doing that than simply reading over it, but yet you do it anyway!

Goodbye!

Also for those who helped or didn't attack me-

Thank you for being kind! I appreciate it!

[cmaier]

Right, because you know what I was thinking. I was trying to discuss that it's kind of stupid that in order to use our phone for the whole day we must disable half of it's features. Doesn't seam logical to me.

It might not *seem* logical, but it is. Because:

1) the iPhone is designed so that, for the average person doing the average set of things, it lasts throughout the day until it can be charged over night.

2) basic law of physics is that performing calculations or communications requires expending energy

3) basic law of physics is that the chemistry of a battery allows only a finite amount of energy in a given volume

4) therefore, the more you do with the phone, the less time you get from the battery.

In other words, if you choose to go longer between charges, you will have to do less with the phone. Hopefully that means you simply disable features you don't need at the time, but, sometimes, it means you have to compromise and turn stuff off.

The iPhone, like every phone, is an engineering compromise. People enjoy the faster processor, but energy=CV^2*frequency, so higher frequency is shorter battery life. People like the bright screen, but that takes more power. People want higher speed data connections, but that takes more power, too. People wanted to listen to music over A2DP instead of wired headphones - guess what that means?

[Que]

I didn't say I didn't like it, I was making a comment.

I for one have a life and will be going out now so don't expect a reply from me. Have fun spending your days on MacRumors complaining about other people complaining! You really waste more effort doing that than simply reading over it, but yet you do it anyway!

Goodbye!

thank god for that

[cellocello]

I for one have a life and will be going out now so don't expect a reply from me.

Hah ... well, some of us have 9 to 5 desk jobs with internet access ;)

[ericvmazzone]

Cellocello- this was the real meaning of this thread. Why must we manage our batteries, but we aren't able to manage background apps. I wasn't complaining, I was more of bringing up a DISCUSSION.

No you were not trying to open a discussion, you were whining. So do you want some cheese to go with that? One cannot violate the laws of physics just to suit oneself. Unless one is GOD, then one can do what ever one wants. Otherwise, goodbye.

[Badandy]

Hah ... well, some of us have 9 to 5 desk jobs with internet access ;)

That's what you meant to say.


I for one have a life and will be going out now so don't expect a reply from me.

LOL. Someone lecturing people he doesn't know anything about on how they don't have lives and he does because he's "going out".

[Jimmy James]

Fondo890,

Apple has gone to great lengths to maximize battery life (limiting multi-tasking, not implementing the 3G chip sooner, publishing battery life improvements, etc.).

A device with the performance and number of functions of the iPhone has the capability to draw a lot of current. You can choose to use that performance or not. Battery life corresponds accordingly.

Here's an analogy; I'm actually taking a 600 mile-long road trip tomorrow. Suppose I choose to drive flat-out fast and then go on a car forum and complain that my sports car only gets 150 miles per tank under those conditions. Then I complain that the car manufacturer has left me with the obligation of managing my fill ups along the way. How dare they!

It sounds ridiculous in another context doesn't it? That's why people are jumping all over you.

[mkrishnan]

This thread is nine parts trolling, flaming, and flamebaiting; I don't see a lot of reason to try to save the one part that's left over....