2005 acura RSX???

[g30ffr3y]

well since theres so many threads about cars popping up... i
figured i would add one of my own... i hope to replace my '98
accord this summer... yeah i know its not a range rover... and
i cant afford to replace it with a BMW... but i do figure that i
could replace it with something along the lines of an RSX, a
toyota PRIUS or celica, maybe a current accord...

i would like the prius for the fuel economy... plus i actually
think it looks kinda cool... theres supposed to be a spoiler
option [maybe there already is] sometime this spring... but
no sunroof... shoot...

i love my accord... so why not get another one... the new body
style is friggin sweet... but ive been driving one for over three
years already...

im very happy with my honda... so why not get a little wanky
and bump up to the acura... realistically the only one i could
afford would be the RSX... which conveniently enough is the one
i would want...

very much like the macrumors... the acura rumors point to
a big update to the RSX for the 2005 model year... the only
picture people point to is arguably a photoshop and there
are no specs... this is supposed to happen in july...

i know some of you are more into this sort of thing than
i am... so anyone got any info??? im not asking if i should
wait or buy a used one or blah blah... just if anyone has
heard anything about the 2005...

im in the u.s... btw...

[iGav]

So Acura's are a step up from Honda's??? :confused: I thought they were one and the same??? :confused:

I'm presuming the new U.S. Accord is the same as the euro spec model (Alfa Romeo 156 inspired), must say, I think they're pretty dandy, especially in 2.2TDi form, and they're a totally different platform from the previous gen, so you won't feel short changed. ;)

I've just had a tommy gander at the RSX.. hmmm, can't say I think much of it... are Nissan Z's in the same price bracket?? or the lo-tune Audi TT 150??

What about a 2005 Mustang?? they look pretty handy too. :)

[blue&whiteman]

yay! another thread about cars. :p :confused: :( :mad: :eek: :rolleyes:

[g30ffr3y]

So Acura's are a step up from Honda's??? :confused: I thought they were one and the same??? :confused:

I'm presuming the new U.S. Accord is the same as the euro spec model (Alfa Romeo 156 inspired), must say, I think they're pretty dandy, especially in 2.2TDi form, and they're a totally different platform from the previous gen, so you won't feel short changed. ;)

I've just had a tommy gander at the RSX.. hmmm, can't say I think much of it... are Nissan Z's in the same price bracket?? or the lo-tune Audi TT 150??

What about a 2005 Mustang?? they look pretty handy too. :)



acura is honda's "luxury" model... my uncle just got a TL and he loves
it... i think the RSX is sweet... but its ok if you dont like it...

id rather hook up my lawnmower to my skateboard than drive a ford
so the mustang is out... plus we have a lot of snow here so the
mustang would only be good half the year...

the nissan z and audi tt are just out of reach... the tt is thirty three
grand... i just cant manage that... i do agree it is a hot car though...

ho hum... dont get me wrong... i love the accord... but i love my accord
too... i just want something different... plus my accord is the V6... id rather
get the speedy four cylinder the RSX has to offer...

man ive got to learn to drive a stick shift...

[dopefiend]

man ive got to learn to drive a stick shift...


You don't want to, its annoying as hell in traffic, hehe.

[g30ffr3y]

You don't want to, its annoying as hell in traffic, hehe.


i think it could be fun... but probably not in the winter... if i were to
give up the stick shift i would put myself out of getting a type S... which
would save me some cash... but making it look like a type R would jack
the cost right back up...

plew...

and i want that dual 3gig G5 that will never see the light of day... j/k

[iJon]

only the 200hp rsx type s has the stick shift. the others have automatic. but i think acura is getting away from the type s. they dropped the type s on the tl, made the type s the new tl and made the low end tl the new accord. they used to have a type s cl, but they discontinued it. i know all you care about is the new rsx, but you may want to take a look at a used 2003 or 2003 type s TL. we had a brand new rsx priced out but bought a used TL type s in perfect condition.

iJon

[Calvinatir]

I have the 2002 RSX and you CAN get it in a manual if you dont get the Type S....i LOVE my rsx! I have the Eternal Blue Pearl 5 speed with cloth...

[g30ffr3y]

only the 200hp rsx type s has the stick shift. the others have automatic. but i think acura is getting away from the type s. they dropped the type s on the tl, made the type s the new tl and made the low end tl the new accord. they used to have a type s cl, but they discontinued it. i know all you care about is the new rsx, but you may want to take a look at a used 2003 or 2003 type s TL. we had a brand new rsx priced out but bought a used TL type s in perfect condition.

iJon

the TL is definately a nice car... but im really against the four door...
although i love the size of my accord... but with the V6 gas is getting
out of hand at 2.15 or so a gallon... i read
that about the phase out of the type S... which would be just fine for me...
then i wouldnt have to decided to cripple my car to save the cash...

the automatic starts at just under 21... i dont care about leather... in fact i
would rather not have it... i would assume that the '05's would have similiar
price points... unless they go under a massive overhaul i have no problem
trying to hunt down an '02 or '03... our local dealer has a few '02's for
around 18 which isnt too bad at all...

im waiting to see what they unveil [hopefully] this summer... if its not a
radical change perhaps id be able to get a good deal on a closeout...
except it seems like acura is trying to clear them out already with good
lease options... im not really interested in a lease though...

[Sweetfeld28]

the RSX Type-S is nice two of my friends have them. I would like to purchase an Audi S-4, but since the price line is way out of my budget; i think i will have to pass on that one at least.

However i recently herd of Scion its a, Acura to Honda, brand of Toyota. I also found out that they are releasing a new third car (they originally started with only two, both of which are ugly) called the tC. It looks sweet and starts at $16,465, and everthing that you could possibly want is Standard.

The Scion tC (http://scion.com/wanttc/index.html)

I like the Panorama Sunroofs.

[Penman]

So Acura's are a step up from Honda's??? :confused: I thought they were one and the same??? :confused:

I'm presuming the new U.S. Accord is the same as the euro spec model (Alfa Romeo 156 inspired), must say, I think they're pretty dandy, especially in 2.2TDi form, and they're a totally different platform from the previous gen, so you won't feel short changed. ;)

I've just had a tommy gander at the RSX.. hmmm, can't say I think much of it... are Nissan Z's in the same price bracket?? or the lo-tune Audi TT 150??

What about a 2005 Mustang?? they look pretty handy too. :)

There are no Audi TT 150's in America iGav, and the Mustang still has a solid rear axle (ugh!). As for diesels - in California diesel's more expensive than regular petrol (gas - in the UK diesel's markedly cheaper than gas US readers making cars with diesel engines a bargain).

The Z's a great car though - but more expensive than an RSX. What about a fully loaded Mini, a Golf C32 or a Pontiac GTO?

For 4 doors, 8.7 inches of ground clearance and 0-60 in 5.9 you could get a Subaru Outback or my personal $30K choice a Subaru WRX STi or Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII.

[krimson]

IIRC, California diesel still doesn't have a low sulphur content, and because of that, TDI, and such aren't sold here in CA (that might have changed since i've looked for a car). I've also heard from a friend who works at on of the refineries in the So Bay that it's not as profitable as regular gas, they've switched a few refineries from diesel to regular gas. diesel used to be cheap $1.50 last year, now, it's the same as regular gas.

[EJBasile]

I think the Acura TSX and RSXs and nice. Also VW Jetta and passats are nice, although i think passats are a bit over priced. My Uncle has a 96 deisel passat and it very loud. I don't know what the newer ones are like. The volvo S40 looks nice too, 25k+ (high repair fees though).

[BaDBoY]

honda/acura cars are ok, but i despise most of them due to the fact that most (or almost all of them except the NSX and S2000) are FWD. I just wish these car companies would go back to making all their cars RWD, like BMW (besides the mini cooper), Benz, or Lexus.

Isnt pushing better than pulling anyway?

[Blackheart]

However i recently herd of Scion its a, Acura to Honda, brand of Toyota. I also found out that they are releasing a new third car (they originally started with only two, both of which are ugly) called the tC. It looks sweet and starts at $16,465, and everthing that you could possibly want is Standard.

The Scion tC (http://scion.com/wanttc/index.html)

I like the Panorama Sunroofs.

I also heard that Scion was a branch of Toyota, but that doesn't go to say that it's the luxury. Here are the Japanese companies and relations:

Luxury <-> Basic

Acura <-> Honda
Toyota <-> Lexus
Mitsubishi <-> Infiniti

On topic, I think that honda did a really good job on the new RSX, especially the type-s. The remodel over the Integra was great. They gained in performance, and IMO, looks. If you can afford it, I'd get the type-s, and if you have even more money you want to spend, just get their performance pack too (do they still offer comptech superchargers on their cars?).

[legion]

Isnt pushing better than pulling anyway?

During the famous split when Lamborghini left Ferrari.. Lamborghini said "You don't have horses pushing the carriage"

Then again, both companies now only do engines seated mid-body and are RWD (and Lambo is owned by VW AG and Ferrari is owned by Fiat SPA)

[legion]

I also heard that Scion was a branch of Toyota, but that doesn't go to say that it's the luxury. Here are the Japanese companies and relations:

Luxury <-> Basic

Acura <-> Honda
Toyota <-> Lexus
Mitsubishi <-> Infiniti

I can't make heads or tails of your listing! (but I do know since it isn't consistent it is most definitely wrong.)

The correct listing is:

Basic/Parent; Luxury
-------------------
Honda; Acura
Toyota; Lexus
Nissan; Infiniti


As for Scion, it's a branch of Toyota but not a luxury brand. It is their "Gen X" brand; Toyota is trying to create a new market segment-- high-tech, low-cost, catering to a younger market that is just starting to buy cars.

[blue&whiteman]

I heard acura has a new model coming in the fall. its called the planet killer 3000. any self respecting planet killer must own one.

[dopefiend]

I heard acura has a new model coming in the fall. its called the planet killer 3000. any self respecting planet killer must own one.

That weed your smoking Im sure is polluting the air as well. Put it down man, put it down.

[blue&whiteman]

That weed your smoking Im sure is polluting the air as well. Put it down man, put it down.

I don't smoke weed. I don't do anything that makes the planet and others suffer just so I can have a nice car or whatever. i'm not a selfish greedy horrible person..

[dopefiend]

i'm not a selfish greedy horrible person..

I am :p

I just want to see "The Day After Tomorrow" in person :D

/pokes Hippy

[blue&whiteman]

I am :p

I just want to see "The Day After Tomorrow" in person :D

/pokes Hippy

at least you're honest :)

btw, i'm a buddhist.. not a hippie :p

[Abstract]

The Acura RSX has very bland looks, probably drives well, and is probably reliable, as it's from Honda. I'd probably buy an RSX too if I had the money, but lets face it, the car has a very safe, boring style. I wouldn't get any car that wasn't reliable. I'm very lazy, and I really do believe that I wouldn't bring my car to a mechanic if I thought something was wrong. It would probably have to be unbearable for me to bring it back to the manufacturer, even if its still under warranty.

The Prius would be a gutsy car to get. I really don't know much about it with regards to reliability, performance, or highway driving. I can't even tell you if driving long distances, and going on long camping trips is optional. Sounds ignorant, but I don't know much about cars, let alone hybrids.

And since Acura brought out the current RSX model recently, I really don't think they're going to do anything, like revamp the inside and outside entirely. They won't. The most they'll do is add another model in their line-up, or update an engine or something. Either way, you're getting a sweet car.

@iGAV: The Accord in the UK is different than the one in North America, or at least it was 2 years ago. Don't know about the newest models.

And does anybody know the specs of the Scion? I really hate that website, and couldn't find anything on the specs (Power in hp or kW, torque, fuel consumption, etc)

[g30ffr3y]

i saw the commercial for the scion and immediately went to the web
to check it out... the tC comes out in june and even with an automatic
is like 17K... not bad at all... plus it is pretty sweet... i was originally
going to put it in the list in my original quote but opted out...

i heard that there wont be a 2005 celica because the tC fills that market
segment... this kinda eliminates another of my prospects... i really like
the celica... kinda looks like an RSX... maybe a little more slick and
stylish especially with the action pack...

prius' are damn near impossible to get... i would love to drive one... i
couldnt even imagine how great it would be to get that kind of fuel
economy... if honda wouldve released a 2 door hybrid civic i wouldve
even considered that...

to the poster concerned about the environment... please understand im
trying to decide on a car that will use less gas... im not into bloated SUV's..
i just want a nice four cylinder [or in the prius' case hybrid] sporty car
that wont cost me an arm and a leg... i think the RSX is a great choice...

front wheel drive actually comes in handy in the winter time... a lot of
people i know have no interest in BMW's because they are rear wheel
drive... ive only owned one rear wheel drive car... my first car... some
ridiculous boat from the seventies... i think i actually used it for about two
weeks...

does anyone have a prius???

[musicpyrite]

Get a Supra

[iJon]

man i was looking at the prius, pretty slick. although i would hate have a 76hp i-4. would be curious on a 0-60 on that bad boy, but impressive none the less for the none speed demons out there.

iJon

[Blackheart]

I can't make heads or tails of your listing! (but I do know since it isn't consistent it is most definitely wrong.)

The correct listing is:

Basic/Parent; Luxury
-------------------
Honda; Acura
Toyota; Lexus
Nissan; Infiniti


As for Scion, it's a branch of Toyota but not a luxury brand. It is their "Gen X" brand; Toyota is trying to create a new market segment-- high-tech, low-cost, catering to a younger market that is just starting to buy cars.
oh wow, yeah, thanks for correcting that. I must've been on crack that day, stressing on midterms/finals is really leaving be messed up. I shouldn't even be posting around this time. lol

[iMax531]

Correction:

Nissan is the parent of Infiniti. Mitsubishi has no "luxury" alternative, but they are partially owned and share parts with Chrysler/Dodge sometimes.

As for a good car in the 20K price range...I just bought a Mazda3 5 Door. It's gutsy, amazing to drive, luxurious interior (for the price range) and very reliable. Plus lotsa room for stuff and less boring than a sedan.

I didn't like the RSX... ow on practicality, visibility, sterring was too light and handling a little floaty. Mini's are awesome, my stepfather has one, he loves it, and I've driven it a few times, its a sweet machine, but a bit overpriced, unless you need to have a MINI.

I advise you to check out edmunds.com, they are a great resource for everything car related.

Good luck!

[wbrowne1]

Correction:I just bought a Mazda3 5 Door. It's gutsy, amazing to drive, luxurious interior (for the price range) and very reliable. Plus lotsa room for stuff and less boring than a sedan.


Yeah Mazda3!

I was just about to suggest it. I drive a Mazda Protege5, which is amazingly fun, but its replacement, the Mazda3, has more power (esp with the optional 2.3 liter which puts it right up there with the RSX) and even better handling.

Take a look, ...hell, take a test drive! It's at least worth that much.

[g30ffr3y]

so many ideas... the only mazdas ive been paying attention to are the
new 6's and i must say that mazda seems to be making headway at
getting noticed again... in buffalo you dont see too many mazdas...

my girlfriend just bought a 2001 sunfire today... to replace her 1996
sunfire... really exciting i know... but she likes them so much i guess...
we went through the civic, eclipse, tiburon, jetta, hmmm... is that all...
i guess... provided her credit goes through she will be picking it up
tomorrow afternoon... pretty cheap too at under 9k...

i looked at the prius, celica, and new jetta GTI today... the only prius
to be found was a kinda slate green one... i like it... except for the
front end seems really smooshed... they should lengthen the car a little...

i didnt actually drive any of these cars yet mind you... i waiting a while
longer to see what happens on the RSX front... and hoping to maybe get
some sort of closeout deal on whichever of the cars in question i finally
pick...

i keep going back to the acura... i think ive finally settled against another
accord... i dont think the 4 cylinder would do the car justice and i dont
want the v6... the jetta GTI is a passing fancy... you can put 18" wheels
on it... but in the end a jetta is still kind of a chic car... not that all these
cars cant be argued as chic cars... but its got four doors for crying out
loud... and im not thirty... yet... thatll be in time for my next car...

toyota still makes the supra??? i thought that was a "serious" sports
car... which isnt really what im looking for... i did see the MR2 spider
or whatever... a convertible in buffalo isnt really practical... but damn
that car is hot... and for the price it certainly looks better than the honda
s2000... IMHO...

[iJon]

but the mr2 is trash compared to the s2000. s2000 is an amazing machine. a 240hp 4 banger that is faster than many v-6's with more hp. i know it was faster than my 260hp v-6 tl type s.

iJon

[legion]

does anyone have a prius???

I have 4 friends with Prius-s (what the hell is the plural of that?) They all bought them here in LA about a week apart from each other. A plus is that you get tax breaks here for buying a hybrid. They've owned them for over a year now and still like them (I drove one of them around for a week and it was kind of cool-- especially all the LCD info displayed about fuel usage and systems checks; however I have a BS in engineering, so I don't know of how much interest it would be to the non-technical)

Personally I drive a turbo car, so I don't feel like I'm jeopardizing the environment too much (though the way I drive and the speeds I drive at, my fuel consumption is sometimes pretty high)

[jeffy.dee-lux]

man, i love the car threads... maybe i should join a car forum... stupid computers.

anyways, about that prius, i'm always preaching about it to the point that people accuse me of actually working for them, just like others accuse me of working for apple.
the prius' 0-60 time is about 10 seconds, which isn't even all that bad compared to other cars in that class. I think that's about the same as the base corolla, and better than a lot of suvs and stuff. But for lower speeds, its actually pretty impressive. I think its 0-30 time is just short of an SVT focus. That's cause the electric motor gets its peak torque of 295 lb-ft (more than an Expedition) from 0-1500 rpm. So at low speeds, its really got a lot of force. That's whats so cool about electric motors, peak torque at just over 0 rpm, unlike gas motors that you have to rev up to get into the sweet spot. So anyways, for around town, the prius is pretty sweet, even without considering gas mileage. And i've heard that even on the highway, its pretty impressive at passing and so forth. You should check out MotorTrend's car of the year article last year.

About that supra, last i heard, there's a possibility of a 300hp hybrid version some time soon. Heard that in Road&Track like two months ago.

Other hybrids coming out soon... Ford Escape, they drove around manhatten for 38 hours in that thing on one 15 gallon tank. Toyota Highlander Hybrid/Lexus 400h, a hybrid version that's actually a lot faster than the base model, as well as more efficient. And since you're not interested in SUVs at all (good for you man, even if they make 'em more efficient, its still a waste to carry around all that mass when you don't need it), i've heard their making hybrid camries, accords, as well as whatever ford ends up calling their derivative of the mazda6 platform.

Its funny how you're prejudiced about the ford mustang, while being quite impressed with mazda, cause the 2005 mustang is being built at a mazda plant. Sure its a solid rear axle, they saved that for the $35K cobra so that they could keep the 300hp gt under $25K. Besides, that's how drag racers like em.
A lot of people wont touch american cars, and american car companies are finally starting to realize they have catching up to do. A lot of the new products have taken huge steps forward, so you shouldn't keep your head turned away from those.

About that mazda3, damn, that car handles like crazy. No i haven't driven it, but i was just looking through motor trend's road test results; the 3 went through the slalom at 68.1 mph, which is insane. The only cars to beat that were cars costing up to over 10 times as must, like SOME of the ferraris (yes it actually beat a 360 or something), the viper, and the ford GT. I haven't seen any other numbers, so it could be that it was just a good day for turning really hard. But those are some crazy numbers.
The car looks pretty sweet too, i'm just not too into that rear quarter window area, the pillar leans in too much, and it looks like they sacrificed a lot of cargo space for looks.

I can't say i've heard anything about the new RSX, and i read through a lot of car magazines. But it would make sense right around now, that things due for an update. Keep an eye out for the BMW 2 series though, a two door version of the small 1 series that we won't be getting for a while.

Good luck finding a car, and thanks for thinking about other people around you and not going big for the style points. And everyone, start shaking your heads disappointedly at large, excessive looking SUVs with only 1 or 2 occupants. We have to make them feel uncomfortable. Note the word excessive, i know some people legitimately need large or off road capable vehicles, but that's a small minority. Easy clues to wasteful people include shiny chrome wheels with low profile tires and tinted windows.

[iJon]

nah, 10 seconds isnt bad att, just perfect. probably close to my liberty. actually real impressive for 72 hp. mine is 210.

iJon

[Blackheart]

nah, 10 seconds isnt bad att, just perfect. probably close to my liberty. actually real impressive for 72 hp. mine is 210.

iJon
oh god, my automatic integra ls is a 0-60 in 10 seconds and it seems SOOOOOOOO slow, or maybe it's just slow after having driven my dad's s2000, it does haul quite the large amount of a$$.

[dopefiend]

oh god, my automatic integra ls is a 0-60 in 10 seconds and it seems SOOOOOOOO slow, or maybe it's just slow after having driven my dad's s2000, it does haul quite the large amount of a$$.

Wow, I don't think I could stand 0-60 in 10 seconds or even the slowness of an s2000. :eek:

[g30ffr3y]

i didnt realize that the prius was quick by any means... i really should
drive one... i think the one i saw was someones car because it didnt
have any stickers on it... the prius availibility in this area is nil... i do think
the read outs are cool... even though i dont have an engineering degree i
can still appreciate it...

the pontiac people are jerking around my gf now... trying to get her to
lay down serious cash as a down payment... ugh... the hell of buying
a car...

anyways... i just like the MR2's look... the s2000 is a much more
conservative looking car... i am not looking to buy either of them so
the point is moot anyhow...

on the american car front... they just dont interest me... i dont really like
the looks of any of them... have you guys seen this GTO thing... i mean
who would want a 5.7 litre car with gas prices at 2.15 a gallon... thats just
nutz... i guess if you buy it with an automatic transmission you have to
pay a gas guzzler tax... does that not tell you something... it is one
american car that with a little work... could look pretty nice...

ugh...

[jeffy.dee-lux]

on the american car front... they just dont interest me... i dont really like
the looks of any of them... have you guys seen this GTO thing... i mean
who would want a 5.7 litre car with gas prices at 2.15 a gallon... thats just
nutz... i guess if you buy it with an automatic transmission you have to
pay a gas guzzler tax... does that not tell you something... it is one
american car that with a little work... could look pretty nice...

ugh...

Yeah, i really don't get it, despite the crazy gas prices and the ever increasing environmental awareness, we are right in the middle of a horsepower war. Like the chrysler 300C with the 340hp hemi... i just read that that's not gonna be enough for some people, chrysler PVO is planning its 5th SRT crazy car, the SRT-8, which is a 300C with a stroked and bored hemi, up to i think 6.1 liters and something over 400hp.
And then Ford just announced they're making a new 6.2L V8 for the F-150, to keep on top of the ram hemi and the nissan titan and so forth. And don't get me started on the Ram SRT-10 and the new F-150 Lightning that they're working on, both pushing 500hp. i mean, i admit that there's something inside of me that says they're both really cool things, but its so pointless and excessive. If it didn't do any harm to anyone, and if there weren't billions of people going hungry all over the world, i'd be all for it... but we've got some problems to work out. Until we can safely say we're not screwing things up for future generations, i think we gotta tame our excessive desires to a certain extent.

You mighta heard about the prius being quite slow for the first generation, i heard that thing was quite a compromise, in style as well as performance. But the new one is quicker, more efficient, bigger, and in my opinion it looks better than most other cars in that class, if a bit far out.
I'm really encouraged by the whole hybrid scene though. It just makes so much sense, i hope it wont be long before that kind of technology is standard across the whole industry. Regenerative braking and turning off the engine when idling are just such simple ideas that prevent waste. We're not quite ready to power our cars with hydrogen, we gotta be able to make that stuff in a clean manner before that technology does us any good. So until then, lets make the gas engine as efficient as possible.

Oh yeah, when i was talking about the mazda3's slalom times, how could i forget such cars as the evo, wrx sti, and the new neon srt-4, those things are a bit faster. But hey, its pretty commendable if this little car is keeping right up with these all out pocket rockets, let alone the $250K ferraris. It even bested the lambo murcielago through the cones. It also won Canadian new car of the year from the canadian auto journalist association.

[dopefiend]

The GTO is not American!

Its Australian.

[iJon]

If it didn't do any harm to anyone, and if there weren't billions of people going hungry all over the world, i'd be all for it... but we've got some problems to work out. Until we can safely say we're not screwing things up for future generations, i think we gotta tame our excessive desires to a certain extent.
yeah and we all want world peace too, but its not going to happen. as long as one car company is making a fast car, the other companies are going to try to compete, just like any other product in this world.

also, i may not be looking deep enough but what do these fast trucks and cars have to do with starving people over the world.

iJon

[jackieonasses]

I have 4 friends with Prius-s (what the hell is the plural of that?) They all bought them here in LA about a week apart from each other. A plus is that you get tax breaks here for buying a hybrid. They've owned them for over a year now and still like them (I drove one of them around for a week and it was kind of cool-- especially all the LCD info displayed about fuel usage and systems checks; however I have a BS in engineering, so I don't know of how much interest it would be to the non-technical)

Personally I drive a turbo car, so I don't feel like I'm jeopardizing the environment too much (though the way I drive and the speeds I drive at, my fuel consumption is sometimes pretty high)

priri!

[craigdawg]

I would like to spend a moment bashing Toyota Camrys. I hate them. Especially when outfitted with gold packages and factory spoilers.

My dad has a 2003 LE V6. I hate it: mushy brakes, unresponsive steering, soft suspension, plain jane styling.

Blah.

Yet it's the #1 selling car in America because it's practical, reliable, and non-threatening, i.e. boring.

Yawn.

[g30ffr3y]

i just found out today that through some retail partnership i am actually eligible for an incentive plan on chevy, ford, blah blah american... and toyota!?!?!? i was pretty shocked so i sent out an email to our contact at the toyota dealership that is offering this to us...

who am i kidding asking what my discount is on one of the hardest
to get cars on the road... its not like they have to offer 1.9 financing
to get rid of these things... yet i NEVER see them in buffalo... well
there was one silver one that used to park in the lot where i park my
car for work... but it has long since gone... i guess dealerships around
here dont even bother with them... or toyota doesnt bother sending them
to this cavalier centric beat down city...

mabye ill hear back from him with a "ha ha ha" some time next week...

as for the GTO... its marketed as a pontiac... thats american enough for
me... but then again i didnt hate it... just the idea of the 5.7 litre engine...

[iJon]

as for the GTO... its marketed as a pontiac... thats american enough for
me... but then again i didnt hate it... just the idea of the 5.7 litre engine...
i had to go buy some stuff for my jeep and they had a GTO on display, wow was it nice. it was black too, looked like a really fast stealty car, which i guess it can qualify as.

iJon

[g30ffr3y]

i had to go buy some stuff for my jeep and they had a GTO on display, wow was it nice. it was black too, looked like a really fast stealty car, which i guess it can qualify as.

iJon


man... how many cars do you have???

the one i saw was red... the sales guy was telling us that they have
only allocated like seven for the area and the dealers are all fighting
and not willing to trade with one another when customers want
auto vs. manual... etc...

he was telling us how the thunderbirds just sat and sat... so they are
holding back on the GTO's...

the new G6 looks a lot better than the grand am too... but i havent
seen a 2 door version...

[iJon]

man... how many cars do you have???

me: Jeep Liberty
dad: Jeep Wrangler
mom: BMW Z3
used when needed : GMC Suburban
used when needed: WInnie Motorhome (36ft)
cars used at the business (that my parents own): Chevy and Nissan Truck

totaling 7

iJon

[jeffy.dee-lux]

yeah and we all want world peace too, but its not going to happen. as long as one car company is making a fast car, the other companies are going to try to compete, just like any other product in this world.

also, i may not be looking deep enough but what do these fast trucks and cars have to do with starving people over the world.

iJon

I just meant that its pretty sick that we can just sit and watch millions of people die every day due to malnutrition while we go and spend $50K on a pick up truck that can go twice as fast as you're ever even allowed to go. We live in a society that involves a lot of pointless excess, we've tons more than we could ever need, while half the world can't even get enough food. Here we are paying for too much food, getting fat, paying for a car so we don't have to sweat on the way to work, and then paying for a membership at the gym to lose the weight put on by the too much food that we ate, but we drive to the gym so we don't have to get all sweaty. That's a pretty rediculous example.
Its not like if you go and buy a nice car, you're killing anybody on the other side of the planet. And i'm not saying you should go mail your earnings to Haiti either. That kinda thing's gotta take place on a much larger scale, gotta put pressure on your government as far international debt goes and all that.... anyways, i digress...
If you're too selfish to be worried about anybody living in another country, then at least consider your grandkids. A lot of the cars we drive now are messing things up for them a lot. So i say, lets tone down our adrenaline urges until we can make cars that move really fast without polluting as much as they do now. Transportation in style and speed doesn't necessarily have to cause any harm. That's why i wanna live in the middle ages, so i could buy a sweet black horse and soup it up and feel good about myself at the same time.

[legion]

me: Jeep Liberty
dad: Jeep Wrangler
mom: BMW Z3
used when needed : GMC Suburban
used when needed: WInnie Motorhome (36ft)
cars used at the business (that my parents own): Chevy and Nissan Truck

totaling 7

iJon
When you consider your parents' cars as part of your own, it's obvious you are a kid.

(BTW, my parent have 5 cars, I have 3-- but I never get confused what is mine an what is theirs, but then again I'm an adult and live 1800 miles apart and paid for all my cars out of my pocket)

[iJon]

When you consider your parents' cars as part of your own, it's obvious you are a kid.

(BTW, my parent have 5 cars, I have 3-- but I never get confused what is mine an what is theirs, but then again I'm an adult and live 1800 miles apart and paid for all my cars out of my pocket)
ok...i'll agree with that. i figured he was referring to my whole family. but i will admit, i am a spoiled 18 year old and i am on my third car and haven't payed anything for any of them. not bragging, simply just thankful i have parents that treat me well.

iJon

[Abstract]

^^Damn you! :p

I didn't know you had a Jeep. Last time you posted pics of an Acura 3.2 TL Type S sitting on your driveway. Hmm....so I guess you're correct when you say you're spoiled. Whatever, you shouldn't have to apologize for being born to rich parents.

Anyway, I agree with jeffy.dee-lux. Seriously, why does anybody want to drive a car with 550 hp to work unless they're hauling tall trees or 30ft x 30ft x 30 ft lead blocks? I really don't care if having an extra 200 hp can allow me to drive faster because I never drive over 20km/h (13 mph) over the speed limit unless I'm on a highway in the middle of the night

. I usually drive 10-15 km/h (6-9 mph) over the speed limit. Thats as fast as I think anybody should drive on city streets. Hell, most people tell me that driving 20 km/h over the limit is too much already, and I generally agree.
Anyway, the point is that going from 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds in a 500 hp car isn't going to be a much greater feat than doing it in 5.5 seconds using a 250 hp car. Seriously, what's the point once we get to this stage? Its fast....we get it.

Small man syndrome strikes again.

I hope you get a Prius. A Mazda 3 is also very decent on gas, so either will do. The Mazda 3 is the car I would buy if I was to buy a car. That or the Prius, but I've never actually seen a Prius on the road, so it never comes to mind when thinking about cars.

[g30ffr3y]

I hope you get a Prius. A Mazda 3 is also very decent on gas, so either will do. The Mazda 3 is the car I would buy if I was to buy a car. That or the Prius, but I've never actually seen a Prius on the road, so it never comes to mind when thinking about cars.


last night my gf brought up a good point about the prius... with
the front end being as short as it is... if anyone [god forbid] got
in an accident with it theres no telling how f-ed up you would
get...

when i was a kid my dad and i got in an accident that involved our
car getting basically sandwiched... car behind smashed us into the
car ahead of us... me thinks an accident such as that in a prius
wouldnt leave me here to post on message boards about gas
guzzling trucks and enviro-friendly rice burners...

im still fenced about everything... looks like acura has good pre-owned
financing and their lease deals end the first week of july... hopefully
we'll see the new RSX around then and i can put this to bed...

ijon... thats a lot of nice cars... but why would you go from a TL to
a liberty??? maybe a TL to a TSX... or on the SUV front a TL to an MDX...
but a liberty???

[iJon]

^^Damn you! :p

I didn't know you had a Jeep. Last time you posted pics of an Acura 3.2 TL Type S sitting on your driveway. Hmm....so I guess you're correct when you say you're spoiled. Whatever, you shouldn't have to apologize for being born to rich parents.
well that was my 2nd car, but i had an awful car wreck back in november (many remember). i drove my dad's wrangler a lot around then and really liked it, but wanted more of the comforts of a car. so we go the liberty. i really enjoy it cause before, the only fun i could have in my acura was just driving fast (which wasn't the cause of the wreck) or street racing. Now in my Jeep I barely go over the speed limit, enjoy my drives and have helluva time driving 5mph in mud, grass, dirt and rocks.

iJon

[Sweetfeld28]

well that was my 2nd car, but i had an awful car wreck back in november (many remember). i drove my dad's wrangler a lot around then and really liked it, but wanted more of the comforts of a car. so we go the liberty. i really enjoy it cause before, the only fun i could have in my acura was just driving fast (which wasn't the cause of the wreck) or street racing. Now in my Jeep I barely go over the speed limit, enjoy my drives and have helluva time driving 5mph in mud, grass, dirt and rocks.

iJon

The Jeep Liberty, and Wrangler, are both built in Toledo, Ohio. Just a little FYI, I passed the plant this mourning. I wouldn't mind having a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, a bright yellow one, they are the best wrangler's yet.

[iJon]

The Jeep Liberty, and Wrangler, are both built in Toledo, Ohio. Just a little FYI, I passed the plant this mourning. I wouldn't mind having a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, a bright yellow one, they are the best wrangler's yet.
oh the rubicons are awesome. one of the guys on the jeep forum put rubicon rims on his liberty and looked real cool, although my favorite jeep is the Liberty Renegade with the colored rims. I'm not to far off, I added the renegade lightbar to mine and it looks awesome.

iJon

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SLR McLaren

[dopefiend]

SLR McLaren

http://www.mercedes-benz.com/com/e/home/products/passengercars/slrclass/

Hawt. :cool:

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/112200412328.jpg

[Abstract]

Are you sure its better than a Mazda3? Anyway, it may be out of his price range. ;) In Australia, that car is the price of a house in/near Sydney.

If you're going to get a hybrid vehicle, I now think you should wait and get a hybrid as your next car. I'd love to get a Prius because of principles, but that's all. I believe that people are generally scared to be the first ones to do something, like own a hybrid vehicle. They won't look at a Prius when looking for a new car because none of their friends, co-workers, or neighbours have a Prius. But once people see them on the road more often, they may give it a thought.

But again, I would consider waiting as it seems that many companies are going to bring out hybrid cars in other models. Right now the only decent choice is the Prius. There isn't much choice. I'm 23 and don't want a car that big. What about me? I want a Mazda3 hatchback at heart. It looks sportier. I'm young. I don't want a car compared to a Camry, even if the comparison is valid. The only reason I want to get a Prius is because of principle, like I said. Its cool, but wouldn't be my type of car if it wasn't a hybrid.