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Sayhey
May 28, 2004, 09:48 PM
Now that Chalabi has been totally discredited we have to move on to Plan B. It would seem that that is Iyad Allawi. Along with being described as one of the most corrupt men in Iraq he is second only to Chalabi in being responsible for disinformation. The new "nominee" for Prime Minister after June 30 is the subject of the following article in the UK Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=526008).

Exiled Allawi was responsible for 45-minute WMD claim

By Patrick Cockburn

29 May 2004

The choice of Iyad Allawi, closely linked to the CIA and formerly to MI6, as the Prime Minister of Iraq from 30 June will make it difficult for the US and Britain to persuade the rest of the world that he is capable of leading an independent government.

He is the person through whom the controversial claim was channelled that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction could be operational in 45 minutes.

Dr Allawi, aged 59, who trained as a neurologist, is a Shia Muslim who was a member of Saddam Hussein's Baath party in Iraq and in Britain, where he was a student leader with links to Iraqi intelligence. He later moved into opposition to the Iraqi leader and reportedly established a connection with the British security services. His change of allegiance led to Dr Allawi being targeted by Iraqi intelligence. In 1978 their agents armed with knives and axes badly wounded him when they attacked him as he lay asleep in bed in his house in Kingston-upon-Thames.

Dr Allawi became a businessman with contacts in Saudi Arabia. He was charming, intelligent and had a gift for impressing Western intelligence agencies. After the 1991 Gulf War, the Iraq National Accord (INA) party, which he helped to found, became one of the building blocks for the Iraqi opposition in exile. The organisation attracted former Iraqi army officers and Baath party officials, particularly Sunni Arabs, fleeing Iraq.

In the mid-1990s the INA claimed to have extensive contacts in the Iraqi officer corps. Dr Allawi began to move from the orbit of MI6 to the CIA. He persuaded his new masters that he was in a position to organise a military coup in Baghdad.

With American, British and Saudi support, he opened a headquarters and a radio station in Amman in Jordan in 1996, declaring it was "a historic moment for the Iraqi opposition". After a failed coup attempt that year there were mass arrests in Baghdad. Abdul-Karim al-Kabariti, the Jordanian prime minister of the day, said that INA's networks were "all penetrated by the Iraqi security services".

Dr Allawi and the INA returned to Iraq after the fall of Saddam and set up offices in Baghdad and in old Baath party offices throughout Iraq.

There were few signs that they had any popular support. During an uprising in the town of Baiji, north of Baghdad, last year, crowds immediately set fire to the INA office.

Dr Allawi was head of the security committee of the Iraqi Governing Council and was opposed to the dissolution of the army by Paul Bremer, the US viceroy in Iraq. He stepped down in protest as head of the committee during the US assault on Fallujah. But his reputation among Iraqis for working first with Saddam's intelligence agents and then with MI6 and the CIA may make it impossible for them to accept him as leader of an independent Iraq.



zimv20
May 28, 2004, 10:19 PM
crowds immediately set fire to the INA office.

doesn't anyone get burned in effigy anymore?

seriously, i can't forsee this as easing concerns around the world. shall we ever expect to see "free and fair" elections in iraq?

Sayhey
May 28, 2004, 11:16 PM
Here is more on Allawi from NPR.

Patrick Cockburn (http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1915128)

and the second from a report on NPR's Marketplace. Listen to a report about 3 min and 15 secs in of this afternoon's show the (Friday May 28th.)

Marketplace (http://marketplace.publicradio.org/)

zimv20
May 28, 2004, 11:34 PM
a report on NPR's Marketplace. Listen to a report about 3 min and 15 secs in of this afternoon's show the (Friday May 28th.)

hm. that doesn't bode well.

Sayhey
May 29, 2004, 12:02 AM
hm. that doesn't bode well.

No it doesn't. In addition they way in which he was put forward, seemingly outside the process of the Brahimi plan makes me wonder if this was a matter of brinksmanship on the part of Bush and the provisional council. The whole way it was handled makes me very suspicious of what is going on here. This comes only days after Bush announced that we would accept whoever Brahimi chose.

Josh Marshall (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/) has some good coverage of the confusion going on about Allawi "appointment."

zimv20
May 29, 2004, 12:15 AM
makes me wonder if this was a matter of brinksmanship on the part of Bush and the provisional council.
brinksmanship? for a while i thought maybe bush had it in him, but i had mistaken an unstoppable rush to war as brinksmanship. bush has all the nuance and subtlety as, well, 9/11.

Sayhey
May 29, 2004, 01:53 AM
brinksmanship? for a while i thought maybe bush had it in him, but i had mistaken an unstoppable rush to war as brinksmanship. bush has all the nuance and subtlety as, well, 9/11.

I mean it in the sense of giving the UN and Brahimi an ultimatum on the inclusion of their favored candidate in the new government. Other names have been floated as possible leaders after June 30th, but Allawi's name had not surfaced. He seems an unlikely choice if the process was truly being left up to Brahimi to decide.

edit: sorry, wrote Chalabi when I meant to write Brahimi.

mactastic
May 29, 2004, 09:37 AM
Doesn't seem like this guy will be seen as anything other than a puppet of the US govt. And that won't help us get out of Iraq anytime soon. Likely it will inflame opposition to US troops rather than lessen it.

skunk
May 29, 2004, 09:57 AM
Doesn't seem like this guy will be seen as anything other than a puppet of the US govt. And that won't help us get out of Iraq anytime soon. Likely it will inflame opposition to US troops rather than lessen it.
If his cousin Ali's attitude is anything to go by, he will not be seen as a puppet after June 30th. I have posted Ali Allawi's interview elsewhere, and he is by no means fully compliant.

BBC HardTalk interview (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/04/hardtalk/allawi28may.ram)

Sayhey
May 29, 2004, 11:35 AM
If his cousin Ali's attitude is anything to go by, he will not be seen as a puppet after June 30th. I have posted Ali Allawi's interview elsewhere, and he is by no means fully compliant.

BBC HardTalk interview (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/04/hardtalk/allawi28may.ram)

broken link.

skunk
May 29, 2004, 11:36 AM
broken link.
Works for me... :confused:
(RealPlayer reqd)

Sayhey
May 29, 2004, 12:15 PM
Works for me... :confused:
(RealPlayer reqd)

ok, before I was getting a 404 message, now I'm getting this from a obvious BBC page

Page Not Found.
This might be because you typed the web address incorrectly. Please check the address and spelling ensuring that it does not contain capital letters or spaces.

It is possible that the page you were looking for may have been moved, updated or deleted.

Please click the back button to try another link.



those tricky transatlantic electrons not working today?

skunk
May 29, 2004, 12:17 PM
ok, before I was getting a 404 message, now I'm getting this from a obvious BBC page

those tricky transatlantic electrons not working today?
Try this for size, and click on the "Latest Programme" link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/3756915.stm

Sayhey
May 29, 2004, 12:25 PM
Try this for size, and click on the "Latest Programme" link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/3756915.stm

No, doesn't work, but I found out the problem. This from the FAQs on the BBC site.

How can I watch HARDtalk in the USA?
Hardtalk is not available on BBC America. HARDtalk is broadcast in North America on BBC World. Please visit the BBC World website for details of how to subscribe to the channel and for transmission details.

It's available by subscription only this side of the Atlantic.

skunk
May 29, 2004, 12:34 PM
No, doesn't work, but I found out the problem. This from the FAQs on the BBC site.



It's available by subscription only this side of the Atlantic.Iraq: Restoring order

Text summary:

In a Hardtalk interview on May 28, Tim Sebastian speaks to Ali Allawi, the Iraqi Defence Minister.

Geoff Hoon, the British Defence Minister has announced that he was sending 370 more troops with tanks to the southern zone of Iraq that Britain controls.

He left the door open about whether more troops would be sent later. But Ali Allawi told Tim Sebastian that he was certain thousands more would be sent, saying:

"My understanding is that a battalion or two battalions might be sent."

Mr Allawi added, "The current troop level is insufficient and of the wrong kind to stabilise the country. The only way the country can be stabilised is by utilising and relying on indigenous forces. This is our country after all and we are responsible for its security. But we need help."

Restoring order

Asked about the American military campaign in Falluja which reportedly left some 600 to 800 people dead, the minister said:

"The US has a military doctrine which by and large does not allow other armed forces to operate in the same theatre - that doctrine has to be modified, has to be changed to accommodate the needs of the sovereign Iraqi government."

Tim Sebastian asked whether the Iraqis could restore order considering that the most powerful military country in the world had failed to do so.

The minister replied, "Well, the most powerful military country as you call it, is not too familiar with local conditions and circumstances and tends to use methods and methodology that are designed for different theatres."

Ali Allawi left Iraq in 1968 after a Ba'athist led-coup and has lived in exile in the United States and Britain ever since.

He has worked for the World Bank and was a senior associate member of St. Anthony's College at Oxford University.

In September 2003 he became Iraq's trade minister and was named defence minister last month.