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Dapness
Jul 2, 2009, 09:08 AM
I was just curious which external hard drive everyone chose after they did the USB hack. I'm looking to get a 500gb drive at minimum and am wondering about the power on/off function of the external drive. It doesn't seem like the ATV ever powers down, at least mine doesn't so if I hook up and external drive will it remain on all the time??



TRAG
Jul 2, 2009, 01:31 PM
I do not use an Apple TV, so I can't really help with that front. However, I do use an external HD for for DVD rips. I use a SimpleTech (by Hitachi) Signature Mini (http://www.simpletech.com/products/storage/signature-mini). It has been going strong for a year.

I've read some people using Drobos (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=710171), which are a good way to expand your media if you ever need to. aTV Flash (http://www.atvflash.com/index.php) is a hack to use that utilizes the USB port.

If you don't already have an Apple TV, I'd say wait to see if they'll be updated in September. I'd wait until the beginning of October. If not, I'd go for a Mac mini. If you already have one, oh well. It's still a good buy. Just needs some hacking to make it better.

tom1971
Jul 2, 2009, 04:50 PM
I was just curious which external hard drive everyone chose after they did the USB hack. I'm looking to get a 500gb drive at minimum and am wondering about the power on/off function of the external drive. It doesn't seem like the ATV ever powers down, at least mine doesn't so if I hook up and external drive will it remain on all the time??

My external drive is a LaCie 500 GB and it spins down automatically. Works perfectly with this (http://patchstick.wikispaces.com/PatchStickBuilder) hack

Tweeksy
Jul 2, 2009, 07:08 PM
My external drive is a LaCie 500 GB and it spins down automatically. Works perfectly with this (http://patchstick.wikispaces.com/PatchStickBuilder) hack

Tom, couple of questions if you are doing this:

1. Does the external HD just replace the internal one? i.e. the ATV interface is the same, just with loads of storage rather than 40/160GB?

2. Did you have to pay for this functionality with patchstick.ca?

Thanks for any help.

tom1971
Jul 2, 2009, 08:38 PM
Tom, couple of questions if you are doing this:

1. Does the external HD just replace the internal one? i.e. the ATV interface is the same, just with loads of storage rather than 40/160GB?

2. Did you have to pay for this functionality with patchstick.ca?

Thanks for any help.

1.) Yes, you can do that.
You could also use the external hd as additional hd space and not synchronize via itunes, but just copy your files to the external drive.
So you have both possibilities. I still use the primary one as the boot hd and just attached my external on. I play my files using ATVfiles.

2) You can either use the patchstick.ca patch and install the USB support with one click of the remote control, or you could use nitoTV. however you have to download other files and it is more cumbersome. If you are good with terminal / Unix, then it is not a problem

Dapness
Jul 2, 2009, 11:50 PM
Great, thanks tom1971 this is exactly what I was looking for.

1) So does the LaCie power up when accessed without any problems??

2) Can you use the internal as the boot HD and still keep it synced to itunes with media content (some movies, music, pictures) and utilize the external for additional media (pretty much just movies and tv shows)? For example I would like to keep my kid's movies on the internal since I' watching Toy Story 1 & 2, Cars, Finding Nemo, Shrek, Wall-E, etc, 20 times a week and use the external for other movies.

I was unaware of the ATVfiles hack (due to the 2 year old and newborn mentioned above ... minimal time for this kind of stuff anymore) but it seems like a solid alternative.

I'm pretty sure you answered this in your post but I'm just double checking to make sure this will all fly before I make the purchase.

tom1971
Jul 3, 2009, 07:01 AM
Great, thanks tom1971 this is exactly what I was looking for.

1) So does the LaCie power up when accessed without any problems??

Yes, it works without any problems.

2) Can you use the internal as the boot HD and still keep it synced to itunes with media content (some movies, music, pictures) and utilize the external for additional media (pretty much just movies and tv shows)? For example I would like to keep my kid's movies on the internal since I' watching Toy Story 1 & 2, Cars, Finding Nemo, Shrek, Wall-E, etc, 20 times a week and use the external for other movies.

Yes, you can do it.

Tweeksy
Jul 4, 2009, 07:58 AM
This is something that really puts people off buying the ATV (and me buying other Apple products) the level of control they insist on having. It is clear that it would be simple of apple to offer the upgrade of storage for the ATV with a USB drive, and yet I am stuck with the choices:

1. Have a relatively tiny media selection of 40Gb (that's the atv i have)
2. not sync everything, but go and turn my pc on, wait for it to boot, then load iTunes, then wait for it to sync with the ATV, a 5 min procedure, so I can watch a tv show & I have to put up with any reliability or network issues when using this method.
3. Hack the ATV to enable the USB port to use a drive so that steps 1 and 2 are no longer necessary, making my ATV far more reliable, practicle and actually worth the 115 I paid for it!

I can't get my head around Apples thinking on this one! how hard would a patch to enable the USB drive and a little utility that configures/formats it?

Spleen vented!

Tweeksy
Jul 14, 2009, 01:14 PM
Even more annoying, paid for Patchstick.ca, paid for the USB enable script and it doesn't bloody work!!!!

Would not bother with this solution as it seems to have a lot of problems, patchstick.ca keep saying that it just works, I have a feeling that it may be because I had FW 2.4.

The solution is certainly not living up to the hype as couchsurfer couldn't just be installed via a script and had a few manual steps and flash won't install because they need me to extract some files from an intel mac running OSX 10.4 (which I don't have!)

TuckBodi
Jul 14, 2009, 02:10 PM
Even more annoying, paid for Patchstick.ca, paid for the USB enable script and it doesn't bloody work!!!!

Would not bother with this solution as it seems to have a lot of problems, patchstick.ca keep saying that it just works, I have a feeling that it may be because I had FW 2.4.

The solution is certainly not living up to the hype as couchsurfer couldn't just be installed via a script and had a few manual steps and flash won't install because they need me to extract some files from an intel mac running OSX 10.4 (which I don't have!)

Why do people buy these things (Patchstick.ca and ATVFlash) when there's a free and better alternative out there called ATVUSB Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) which is made by the developer who created the bootloader all patchsticks use and is one of the primary dev's on the Mac/ATV XBMC port?! Oh yeah, it has a GUI AND is blessed by all the ATV plugin dev's. I just don't get it.

Scooterpig
Jul 15, 2009, 12:33 AM
My external drive is a LaCie 500 GB and it spins down automatically. Works perfectly with this (http://patchstick.wikispaces.com/PatchStickBuilder) hack

Wonder if I add to this question as am also trying to work out how to get an external hdd going properly just so I can add movies to it.

What format or type does the external hdd need to be formatted in and once formatted does it need any additional files/structures added to be accessible?

Once accessible and working how is it accessed via the Apple TV and is it then possible to add meta data for movies etc?

Thanks..:)

Tweeksy
Jul 15, 2009, 07:32 AM
Why do people buy these things (Patchstick.ca and ATVFlash) when there's a free and better alternative out there called ATVUSB Creator (http://code.google.com/p/atvusb-creator/) which is made by the developer who created the bootloader all patchsticks use and is one of the primary dev's on the Mac/ATV XBMC port?! Oh yeah, it has a GUI AND is blessed by all the ATV plugin dev's. I just don't get it.

Fair question, I am asking myself the same thing! I suppose I perceived the Patchstick.ca route to be easier and less risky. Now thinking that I am an idiot and should have gone the free route to!

tom1971
Jul 15, 2009, 08:30 PM
... couchsurfer couldn't just be installed via a script and had a few manual steps and flash won't install because they need me to extract some files from an intel mac running OSX 10.4 (which I don't have!)

Hm, ever heard about something called "copyright" and "license" ?

tom1971
Jul 15, 2009, 08:31 PM
Wonder if I add to this question as am also trying to work out how to get an external hdd going properly just so I can add movies to it.

What format or type does the external hdd need to be formatted in and once formatted does it need any additional files/structures added to be accessible?

Once accessible and working how is it accessed via the Apple TV and is it then possible to add meta data for movies etc?

Thanks..:)

You can use FAT or HFS as a valid format.
You can use e.g. ATVFiles (http://patchstick.wikispaces.com/ATVFiles) to access your files. You can also add metadata.

Tweeksy
Jul 16, 2009, 08:33 AM
Hm, ever heard about something called "copyright" and "license" ?

Yep, and I understand that there are legal issues around it. Would have been nice of those issues were made clear before buying, all I saw was an 'install flash' script!

Tweeksy
Jul 23, 2009, 02:46 PM
I was just curious which external hard drive everyone chose after they did the USB hack. I'm looking to get a 500gb drive at minimum and am wondering about the power on/off function of the external drive. It doesn't seem like the ATV ever powers down, at least mine doesn't so if I hook up and external drive will it remain on all the time??

Now the Patchstick.ca USB script is finally working I have tried out my drive, it's 1TB and the power up/down with the ATV is working perfectly:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150558