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McGiord
Jul 5, 2009, 09:40 AM
Hi MR community.

I am looking to buy a new LCD TV , still undecided over the screen size. It could be 40", 46" or 52". Therefore my price range is USD 1,000 ~ 2,500.

The features I would like to have are 120Hz and at least 4 HDMI inputs.
High contrast ratio, view angle and no screen glare.

It seems that there are many 'old' models in stock out there.

I'm not sure which Sony and Samsung models are comparable, and what model is the current best bang for the buck.
Also if there are known problems in some particular models that I should avoid.

Thanks for your suggestions and comments.

McGiord



skye12
Jul 5, 2009, 01:12 PM
They are both top of the line. I own a Sony 40" XBR4 and my friend just bought
a new Samsung B750 series. Amazing pictures. If you want a current Samsung get that series imo.
In the Sony line the XBR9's or Z series for 2009.

Crutchfield is selling the Sony XBR7 40" for $1200 (2008 model-while they last) which
is an outstanding (I mean great!!!) deal. Like half price. I want to buy one and my set is just 2 years old.

MowingDevil
Jul 8, 2009, 06:54 PM
I've heard LG & Panasonic are also good but am leaning towards Samsung myself. Not sure whether to go plasma or LCD but have heard plasma might look a tad better but is more problematic.

bohbot16
Jul 8, 2009, 10:37 PM
I just bought a Samsung B750 after a bunch of research and have no regrets.

MowingDevil
Jul 8, 2009, 11:11 PM
That one looks sweet as, do you find the 240hz makes a big improvement over 120hz? I'm not even considering the 60hz models.

phas3
Jul 8, 2009, 11:33 PM
samsung dude

upinflames900
Jul 8, 2009, 11:36 PM
From what I have heard, seen, and used... Sony is the best in LCD and Panasonic is the best in Plasma...however Sony will cost you your arms and legs whereas you may get a better deal on Samsung...but that is just a general statement individual results may vary...good luck with your decison

bohbot16
Jul 9, 2009, 05:27 AM
That one looks sweet as, do you find the 240hz makes a big improvement over 120hz? I'm not even considering the 60hz models.

I'm not convinced that 240Hz is any improvement over 120Hz. I bought a 240Hz model for the other improvements in picture quality offered by buying a higher-end model.

DesignerOnMac
Jul 9, 2009, 09:25 AM
From what I have heard, seen, and used... Sony is the best in LCD and Panasonic is the best in Plasma...however Sony will cost you your arms and legs whereas you may get a better deal on Samsung...but that is just a general statement individual results may vary...good luck with your decison

Samsung and Sony built an LCD factory in Mexico a few years ago, so both LCD TVs come off the same assembly line. But the Sony costs more..... I love the Samsung picture quality! Samsung just came out with one of the first LED TVs also...an amazing, amazing picture!

I am on my second Samsung. The first one bought in 2006 was 780p, the new one is 1080p. Should be here today or tomorrow. Crutchfield is doing a promo with free cable labels and a free Sanus wall mount, (retail $100). While Crutchfields price was a little higher for the LCD TV, was still cheaper with the free wall mount.

ZedRuhlen
Jul 9, 2009, 09:49 AM
I've got a Samsung 40" LN series. 60hz, not LED. 1080P

I could not be happier. It looks and performs wonderfully. No ghosting, beautiful image, and super easy to get rid of overscan problems on the Mini.

The Samsung models consistently get top reviews from various sources.

iWoz
Jul 9, 2009, 09:56 AM
Samsungs new LED range is orgasmic!! :eek:

themightyviking
Jul 9, 2009, 11:20 AM
Based on information from a dealer north of Chicago, Sony over Samsung hands-down.

Oneness
Jul 9, 2009, 11:33 AM
You have to go to a store and see the picture for yourself.
Disclamer: I have a 46" Sony Z series 2008 model.
I shopped for about 2 months and came down to what alot of people come to: Samsung or Sony. I personnally thought the picture quality on the Z series vs the Samsung 650 series was equal. But I do not like the glossy screen on the Samsungs. It reflects too much background lighting.
I do think that Samsungs give you a better value, but for me the couple of extra hundred the Sony cost was worth it since the Sony had a matte screen.

nuckinfutz
Jul 9, 2009, 11:50 AM
Samsung Luxia LED. The 46" is likely within your price range on sale.

I let my eyes do the judging and the LED stuff is great. Not saying its better than the CCFL top end stuff but LED maintain their brightness over the lifetime of the set better so the dividends come later.

I like Sony but if there's a premium over the Samsung I wouldn't pay it. Samsung has earned their spot amongst the top tier.

MattSepeta
Jul 9, 2009, 11:52 AM
I just bought a samsung LNT4071F 40" for $700 off of craigslist, and it was the best decision I could have made (IMOHO). The 120Hz is incredible, even when watching streaming stuff off of netflix via our xbox, ESPECIALLY when it is presented in HD. The xbox does a terrific job displaying SD material too, most people think he have an HD player. I am saving up to get a PS3 to start renting blu-rays and blowing minds.

My mom had purchased the top of the line Sony XBR, and when she came over and saw our new TV, she was amazed, especially considering she spent wayyyy more to get a brand new Sony, and ESPECIALLY because our set was a year or so old and was a STEAL.

My advice: Cruise craigslist. If you buy a NEW tv from a store, it will probably be replaced by a bigger and better one in under half a year, leaving you feeling like a sucker. Most craigslist sellers will even lop off a couple hundred from the asking price. I haggled the guy down from $900 to $700, AND got him to throw in a monster HDMI cable, AND a new Ikea coffee table to put it on!

But more in regards to your question, go with the SAMSUNG, it will get you more bang for your buck, and Samsung is a VERY respected company. I have been nothing but surprised and VERY pleased with my Samsung.:o

EDIT: Re: Glossy screens, I LOVE the gloss screen on the set. It takes the 120hz and makes it look almost 3d. I hardly notice the glare (minimal) anymore.

bohbot16
Jul 9, 2009, 12:02 PM
You have to go to a store and see the picture for yourself.

I second that

Aldaris
Jul 9, 2009, 08:36 PM
I have bought two Samsung HDTV in the past year one LCD, one plasma, both are amazing! Well above the quality of some of my past Sony purchases, I full heartedly endorse and recommend any and all Samsung products!

You've already seen what apple does in your digital life, see what samsung can do for your entertainment needs, and wants.

xxBURT0Nxx
Jul 9, 2009, 09:53 PM
When buying a TV you have a few things to consider:

How long do you want the TV for?
If you are just looking for a tv that will get you by for 2-3 years and then make its way to the bedroom in way of a newer tv, don't worry about buying top of the line. If you plan on having the tv for 6-7 years, try to buy the most futureproof tv you can afford. Remember, new tech is released every day, so you will never always have the top of the line, but it is possible to buy a nice enough tv that in 5 or 6 years it will still be a decent set.

What is your budget?
This determines the size and type of tv you can get.

Type of room/ intentions with the tv.
Do you need a wide viewing angle? Go plasma or LCD. If you need a bigger size go for DLP which can generally be had in larger sizes for less money. If you plan on gaming you may want to stay away from Plasma. All things to consider. Price will also determine which one you should get.

Consider all of the above, and then make your decison. It is also important to consider the sources of your video. If you don't own a bluray player, and/or your tv is under 40" and/or you plan on upgrading in 3 years, don't even worry about buying a 1080p tv. Too many people buy into the marketing hype of full HD, but don't realize that the cable that comes into your house is NOT broadcast in 1080p, and likely will not be for at least 5 years due to bandwidth. BLuray is the only thing that is 1080p, so if you don't have bluray, don't pay extra because you will gain no benefit from having it. If you are going to upgrade in a few years, you may as well buy a decent set now and save up to buy a top of the line in a few years when LED's are more prevelant and bluray is more of a standard. Internet connected tv's are becoming more popular, so if you are buying your first HD tv, I would suggest a decent 720p samsung or similar. You will still be impressed with the picture, and as you learn to calibrate, etc. in 2 or 3 years buy the big daddy and you will really appreciate it. IMO the top of the line tv's are kind of at an awkward novelty stage right now. Intenet widgets and netflix or youtube streaming are just starting to roll out, so if you give the tech a few years, I think you are really going to start to see a lot of cool stuff and then you will want to upgrade anyways.

McGiord
Jul 10, 2009, 07:25 PM
Thanks so far for the advice and comments.

I went to Best Buy and spent good amount of time watching the TV sets.

It seems that the Sony XBR9 is very similar to the Z series, and I don't beleive is worth the price difference.

The Samsung looks great, and I agree that they have very good prices, but I can't stand the glare.

My plan is to move my old Sony 40" XBR2 (60Hz) to my bedroom, which has big windows and prone to light.
And put the new one in the basement with all my HD stuff: Apple TV, cable, Netflix, Bluray, MacBook Pro...etc..

I plan to keep my TV sets until they die. So far I had Sonys and they perform great, not sure about Samsung reliability.

So when time comes to get a bigger TV set for the basement, I will move this soon to be bought one either to my room, or the living room. So the glare is a show stopper for my plan.

Base on this I am narrowing down my decision to a Sony model could be a XBR7, XBR8 or 2009 Z series with 120Hz.

Once I make my decision I'll let you know.

Meanwhile please keep posting and making suggestions, specially if you are ware of any quality issue or if there is an equivalent Samsung set that doesn't have the screen glare.

Thanks!

MattSepeta
Jul 11, 2009, 03:42 PM
You want 120, at least. Trust me. I feel like im watching an archaic set when I watch my emerson 720p, compared to the samsung with 120hz. It changes the experience 100%, and is well worth the money, imo

nuckinfutz
Jul 11, 2009, 08:01 PM
You want 120, at least. Trust me. I feel like im watching an archaic set when I watch my emerson 720p, compared to the samsung with 120hz. It changes the experience 100%, and is well worth the money, imo

I admit I don't see a "huge" difference in the store with 120hz. How do you explain the effect it had on you? I'm guessing that once you have a 120hz set you get acclimated to the smoothness and then find 60hz TV "jerky" afterwards.

McGiord
Jul 11, 2009, 08:56 PM
I admit I don't see a "huge" difference in the store with 120hz. How do you explain the effect it had on you? I'm guessing that once you have a 120hz set you get acclimated to the smoothness and then find 60hz TV "jerky" afterwards.

that's because the stores in the middle earth are not displaying the right stuff...
:)

In my opinion when watching a Bluray video with fast action scenes you will notice the difference when playing it on a 60 Hz vs the 120 Hz.

Unprocessed1
Jul 11, 2009, 10:49 PM
Panasonic should be coming out with MATTE LED's very soon, so I'd maybe research and wait a little if you want the Samsung quality LED picture (even though it probably won't be as good) on a glare free screen.

jav6454
Jul 11, 2009, 10:54 PM
Samsungs new LED range is orgasmic!! :eek:

Yes, I've seen those at Best Buy. I was in a orgasmic state myself when I say the LED vs the old LCD (CCFL-lit) TV in the same settings (1080p, 120Hz, 36").

I can't believe how much difference LEDs bring to a TV.

AppleiZac
Jul 11, 2009, 11:06 PM
definitely SAMSUNG. i used to be die-hard SONY where every TV we have was
sony..however it came time to get a nice 46" LCD and it came down to the Samsung series 8 Touch of color OR the Sony Z as they were essentially the same in price at stores..

Sony after hardcore research seemed to hav washed out colors..this is bcause they hav that dull matte like touch...

Samsung has deep colors and so on bc they hav a glossy like display like the glossy MBP...this allows for deeper blacks and what not...however if the glossy concerns u dont let it. i dont hav ne glare and it just allows for amazing colors and blu-ray and everything..4 HDMIs perfect.. it just makes for an amazing tv!

GO SAMSUNG all the way. no regrets here..SAMSUNG for life

xlosltove777
Jul 12, 2009, 12:27 AM
For size go for DLP which can generally be had in larger sizes for less money.

I honestly feel like DLP is one of the best kept secrets. People focus on things like slimness so much that they miss out on the value you can get with DLP. My family purchased a 50'' Samsung 720p years ago for just under $1,000. A few months later my brother paid the same(maybe a little more) for a 42'' Sony LCD. If I were to purchase a new one I would get this: 61'' Samsung (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00141765G/ref=pd_luc_mri?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ALAQLAKJ574UN&v=glance).

Obviously some places don't have the room, my brother had a small apartment when he bought his, the LCD made more sense.

As far as the Samsung vs. Sony I haven't noticed any significant issues with either TV and they were bought a few years ago. I have used multiple smaller Samsung LCD computer monitors and those have all lasted and had no issues. But I would imagine larger panels found in TVs tend to have more issues simply because of the size.

MovieCutter
Jul 12, 2009, 12:53 AM
I'm an all-Samsung household myself. Nice design, great picture, known quality, better reviews. I have a 32" 500 series and a 52" 700 series. Gonna be picking up a 40" LED series this week for the new office.

waloshin
Jul 12, 2009, 01:50 AM
Have a 40" Sony 40v4100, its a beautiful tv 1080p and all. Great Value!

Go with Sony!

wywern209
Jul 12, 2009, 01:56 AM
panasonic viera. they use S-IPS panels which are superior in picture quality to the TN panels that are commonly used in the majority of the TVs. Also LG makes some good ones too. when it comes down to it, go and see some models in store.

Chris Rogers
Jul 12, 2009, 09:20 AM
Check Consumer Reports - They have unbiased opinions. I consider their research for a lot of things, from kitchen appliances to cars to TV's. Anyway, if you want check the attachment.

MowingDevil
Jul 13, 2009, 06:43 PM
So I've checked out 2 rather comparable Samsung sets, both are 40", 1080p and have similar features....the one thats 120hz is about $1500 CDN and the 240hz is $2500 (B750 @ FutureShop). Now granted the 240 unit might have a few additional features regarding connecting your computer/internet to it...but thats not really an issue if you are getting Apple TV anyways. So I'm wondering, is the 240hz really worth an extra grand over the 120hz unit? Granted the more expensive one is quite spectacular but the 120 is no slouch. I'm told you'll really notice the "ghosting" and blurry artifacts in fast motion in true HD like Bluray on 60hz machines....is it a problem on 120s but not as much on 240s?

Unprocessed1
Jul 13, 2009, 06:46 PM
While the difference between 60HZ (standard) and 120HZ is huge and noticeable, the difference between 120HZ and 240HZ isn't nearly as big and is NOT worth an extra $1,000

There could rarely be minimal ghosting on a 120HZ tv, but you might not even notice it. .I think it depends more on the TV itself.

dukebound85
Nov 29, 2009, 01:31 AM
While the difference between 60HZ (standard) and 120HZ is huge and noticeable, the difference between 120HZ and 240HZ isn't nearly as big and is NOT worth an extra $1,000

There could rarely be minimal ghosting on a 120HZ tv, but you might not even notice it. .I think it depends more on the TV itself.

I disagree

Personally I think that 60 vs 120 vs 240 is all just marketing

Having used 60 and 120 and seeing all three in action at say best buy, I see no difference. May be I am not a visual'phile though

WIth that said, I saved a few hundred and got a nice 60hz set. Im happy

MacBlackBook22
Nov 29, 2009, 02:32 AM
My vote is for Sony. When I owned CRT tv's I much preferred Panasonic over Sony as I found that the colour was overly red on the Sony CRT's. But when it came time for my purchase of flat panel TV I found the Sony Bravia XBR's hands down had the best picture. I now own 2 models. A 32" which is the bedroom one and the 52" Sony XBR4 in the living room/home theatre set up. I have had them for about 2 years and still think they have the best overall picture. I bought them a year apart and both were bought just after Christmas as the Sony Store has big sales on them then

Chaszmyr
Nov 29, 2009, 02:39 AM
About a year ago I bought a high end Samsung TV, and a year or two before that I had bought a high end Sony TV. I wish I had stuck with Sony the 2nd time around... The Samsung is good, but in general I decided I prefer Sony.

Also, my Samsung TV is 120hz, and I keep that feature turned off. With 120hz on, everything looks like it is moving in fast forward even though its not. I don't know why, but I know it's not just me cuz I've seen other people talking about it online, but I don't know if it's most people or a small minority.

CylonGlitch
Nov 29, 2009, 10:42 AM
About two years ago I picked up a Pioneer 1080p plasma, and man is it beautiful! I LOVE it. The Pioneers are typically $1000+ more then any other plasma, and they are worth it. BUT I found it in close out and paid a lot less. Pioneer is no longer in the plasma business though. :(

I preferred plasma over LCD because I have young kids and the plasmas have glass over the screen thus making them much stronger and can actually take a hit.

If I was to buy a new TV now, I would consider the Samsungs and really look as the LED TV's vs the LCD. LED is the wave of the future.

I had Sony for years but every Sony TV I had would die within 4 to 5 years. Also they always do something different, they don't follow what others are doing, everything has to be "invented" by them and this sometimes is a good thing, but often something that ends up not being supported. :(

BigAudio
Nov 29, 2009, 03:48 PM
If you buy a sony, you will probably have a samsung panel in it. Samsung is the only one that ever made a 40" LCD panel, so you know for sure that if you see a 40" sony, its a samsung panel.

I personally cant stand the interpolation that the 120Hz, and 240 Hz lcd's do. It makes most things look cartoonish, and hyper realistic. It makes big budget special effect driven movies look like an NBC movie of the week. They also tend to make things shot on film, look like video.

For these reasons, I still gravitate to plasma, and the Panasonic V10 series rivals (dare I say) the pioneer elites.

and as far as other brands.. I would stay away from LG. Maybe they have changed.. but I install tv's for a living, and I have already taken down 4 or 5 dead LG's that were a max, 4 years old. Besides, does anyone even know what LG stands for?

(meanwhile, I will pretend that the LG panels in the Imac are somehow OK. LOL)

Aldaris
Nov 29, 2009, 05:04 PM
I had a sony receiver that I had to get fixed twice... Never again, switched to Samsung, and have never had an issue. I have gone as far as having two Samsung televisions, two samsung home theater sound systems, laser monochrome, and laser color printers-And never a problem! Mac and Samsung for life!

whats.the.story
Nov 29, 2009, 05:13 PM
A quick note on the Samsung LED,
My family bought a series 7 LED 50" and had it home for 1 day before we took it back. While it does have a brilliant picture, it seems that they have taken out the decent speakers that they use in the LCD series 6,7 (not sure about the higher series, never used them) and put in smaller ones to make the display more compact.
This is fine if your happy to have an external audio system connected to it all of the time, but if you want a tv thats an all round stunner, go for the Samsung series 7 LCD. Thats what we have now and it's awesome! Brilliant Picture, Brilliant sound quality, Brilliant format support, a host of HDMI's, pretty easy set up, an all round awesome tv. Only problem is that the bezel attracts dust quite badly... keep your polishing cloth around.
Oh and BTW we still use a surround sound system with it for movies... ended up getting the HT-TZ425 which has wireless rears, and an iPod dock =)

Hope that helps

pukifloyd
Nov 29, 2009, 07:09 PM
another vote for samsung led tv...they are simply amazing...!

J&JPolangin
Nov 29, 2009, 09:40 PM
OP, did you ever get a TV?

...Samsung's look great but the LED tech is still pretty new/expensive compared to other models... Sharp also now has a 65" LED, have you considered them?

My DLP 61" 1080p JVC won't get retired until I can reasonably replace it with something >70"...

uraniumwilly
Nov 29, 2009, 10:38 PM
The Samsung 52 inch we purchased 2 years ago just broke. If you do a google search: "samsung capacitor problem" you'll find a number of hits. It turns out they installed bad capacitors and there are many people with very expensive broken flatscreen TVs. It lasted 2 years. Piece of sh@t.

dukebound85
Nov 29, 2009, 10:40 PM
The Samsung 52 inch we purchased 2 years ago just broke. If you do a google search: "samsung capacitor problem" you'll find a number of hits. It turns out they installed bad capacitors and there are many people with very expensive broken flatscreen TVs. It lasted 2 years. Piece of sh@t.

we had a 60in Sony die on us a year ago

Sucked as it cost like 6k at the time

MacUser09
Nov 29, 2009, 11:52 PM
You should also have a look at LG's tvs. Their SL9000 range has a great picture.

BigAudio
Nov 30, 2009, 02:33 AM
I honestly feel like DLP is one of the best kept secrets. People focus on things like slimness so much that they miss out on the value you can get with DLP. My family purchased a 50'' Samsung 720p years ago for just under $1,000. A few months later my brother paid the same(maybe a little more) for a 42'' Sony LCD. If I were to purchase a new one I would get this: 61'' Samsung (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00141765G/ref=pd_luc_mri?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ALAQLAKJ574UN&v=glance).

Obviously some places don't have the room, my brother had a small apartment when he bought his, the LCD made more sense.

As far as the Samsung vs. Sony I haven't noticed any significant issues with either TV and they were bought a few years ago. I have used multiple smaller Samsung LCD computer monitors and those have all lasted and had no issues. But I would imagine larger panels found in TVs tend to have more issues simply because of the size.

Samsung got out of the DLP game after the 08 model year.. and the 61 inch LED back light was a great set.. its still no where near as bright as current generation LCD's...

If you really want large DLP, the only game in the US is Mitsubishi.. LCD pricing cannibalized all the less than 60 skus

BigAudio
Nov 30, 2009, 02:39 AM
OP, did you ever get a TV?

...Samsung's look great but the LED tech is still pretty new/expensive compared to other models... Sharp also now has a 65" LED, have you considered them?

My DLP 61" 1080p JVC won't get retired until I can reasonably replace it with something >70"...

Your JVC is probably HDILA.. or LCOS .. not DLP.

and it was the best rear projection set.. period. JVC was the only one that perfected it.. too bad they are gone now too..

Bye Bye Baby
Nov 30, 2009, 06:55 AM
I could not recommend Samsung from my personal experience. They look good and Samsung has some good offers, but the truth is they do not last. All he Samsung products that I have bought (cell phone, tv and a washing machine) have not lasted.

I have chosen Sony for my TVs and could not be happier. the Z series is a real winner.