Bush Likens War Against Terrorism to WWII

[yuc7zhd2]

"AIR FORCE ACADEMY, Colo. (AP) - President Bush compared the fight against terrorists to the struggle against tyranny that forced World War II, telling new Air Force officers Wednesday that the United States and its allies can win the battle by bringing freedom and reform to the Middle East."

We must be the Germans this round.

Link here (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?maxphotos=5&phototerm=Bush+Air+Force&floc=FF-APO-1107&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040602%2F1453004161.htm&sc=1107&photoid=20040602CDH105)

[numediaman]

Oh, oh. This is heading for the Political section (and instant death).

But before the moderator throws this thread into no man's land, let me say that comparing Bush's escapades with WWII is insulting in the extreme to the over 290,000 Americans who died to defeat fascism.

[krimson]

I did like how he said Japan's "sneak" pre-emptive attack on Pearl Harbor was so bad, yet his Pre-emptive attack on Iraq was okay.

Oh, I really like how me mentioned Iraq as a regime that used WMDs, non specifically.. well my question to Bushy is, what other nation has used WMDs? :)

[RandomDeadHead]

I hope our troops come home from Vietnam, ahem, I mean Iraq soon.


Bush is such a ****ing tool.

[musicpyrite]

Bush is such a ****ing tool.

Your being a real jack a$$ by saying that. Even though you don't like his decisions, show your commander and cheif (and country) a litte more respect.

Every American has the right to dissagree with anything, but when you insult or swear at someone because of something they they think or do, thats worng, mean and just plain stupid.

If you don't like the way this country is bing ran, and hate this county get the **** out! Move to some third world country like Nigeria or Somolia.

[etoiles]

Every American has the right to dissagree with anything, but when you insult or swear at someone because of something they they think or do, thats worng, mean and just plain stupid.


so 'Jack a$$' is not an insult ?

[krimson]

...
If you don't like the way this country is bing ran, and hate this county get the ******* out! Move to some third world country like Nigeria or Somolia.

Why go all the way across the world to fight totalitarians when we have one here. Im glad you aren't president, you'd probably deport anyone who opposed you, expanded the Patriot Act to make the all Bill of Rights invalid. :)

[Sun Baked]

so 'Jack a$$' is not an insult ?All depends on what the guy making the insult thinks about Jack's Ass.

If he really likes Jack, it may not be an insult, but a Freudian Slip.

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11561&stc=1

[musicpyrite]

Why go all the way across the world to fight totalitarians when we have one here. Im glad you aren't president, you'd probably deport anyone who opposed you, expanded the Patriot Act to make the all Bill of Rights invalid. :)

I knew the second that I pushed the 'Submit Reply' button, I was going down in flames. :rolleyes:

I probbably would deport anyone who wasn't patriotic. If I was president (gasp) I would take all the soldiers out of Iraq, line them up sholder to sholder around the U.S. border, with orders to stop anything that comes within a certain distance. I would deport all the illegals....

I swear, you don't know how many kids (and adults) that don't say the pledge in the mornig, and how they bash the president over and over; that wouldn't bother me near as much if they were patriotic about thier country.

I'm going to shut up before I dig myself into a deeper hole. ;)

[musicpyrite]

so 'Jack a$$' is not an insult ?

I said he was *being* a Jack a$$, the other guy *called* the presiden't a d!ck; there's big difference.

[krimson]

Simply saying a few lines of a pledge with your right hand over your heart doesn't automatically make you a patriot.
People show their patriotism in different ways... for some reason, there are those that believe that you must obey and follow the president blindly. :)

[musicpyrite]

Simply saying a few lines of a pledge with your right hand over your heart doesn't automatically make you a patriot.
People show their patriotism in different ways... for some reason, there are those that believe that you must obey and follow the president blindly. :)

I agree that there are many, many differe ways to show patriotism, but *at least* show respect when saying the pledge; kids in my class don't even stand up during the pledge. :mad:

For the record, ther are ALOT of things I don't agree with the president on, but you don't see me calling him a dick. Likewise, there were many things I agreed on with Clinton. Just because I'm a Republican doesn't automatically mean I follow ALL head Republicans (aka: Bush) blindly. On average I agree with 70% of the Republicans desicions and 30% of the Democrats.

You people need to stop watch CNN so much...

[krimson]

politcal parties aren't working very good right now.. i'd like to see a strong 3rd or even fourth option... someday maybe... someday...

[James L]

Not being American, I must ask... "what is wrong with calling your president a d*ck?"

Is America not the land of the free? I thought that freedom of speech meant you could live in a country and speak your mind (assuming it isn't hate crimes, threats, etc) without fear of repercussion?

From my point of view your pres does come off as an idiot. He may very well not be, but he certainly does. I also feel your brave men and women of your armed forces (barring the cowards that tortured the prisoners, but EVERY countries armed forces has done something like that I am sure) are stuck in a war that they shouldn't be in. I hope they all come home soon, and safe. I don't believe the war in Iraq has nearly as much to do with the war on terrorism as your government leads us to believe. Catch Osama and I will be impressed. Kill him and I will be even more impressed!

Please understand I am not "anti-american" in any way. I enjoy coming to your country (I will be back this fall actually). I respect your nation. The one thing I respect the most, however, is that your country is supposed to be one where you are free speak your mind. Bush was elected by a very narrow margin IIRC, which to me means many Americans did not vote for him. The beauty of a free nation is that those people should be allowed to say whatever they want about him without fear of reprisal. Isn't THAT what we all faught WW2 over?

Again, I hope your men and women come home soon.

Cheers,

James

[etoiles]

I said he was *being* a Jack a$$, the other guy *called* the presiden't a d!ck; there's big difference.

Bush is being such a ****ing tool

[magicfreek]

Damn right I don't say the pledge. First the allusion to under god, thats just scary, there is a clear separation of church and state, except with Bush. Just look at his usage of good/evil in reference to Iraq, the man truly believes in the religious sense that he is doing "gods work". That should ring warning bells, raise flags, etc...to everyone, even the religious. Even if they directly agree with Bush, who's to say his religous crusade won't come after some other group next, after the Iraqi's. Frankly I don't like Kerry much either, but with a choice between the two I know who my pick is.

[zimv20]

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919)

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government. -Edward Abbey, naturalist and author (1927-1989)

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair. --H.L. Mencken

[krimson]

The threads been moved.. Big Brother's onto us...

We've been found out... everyone run!

:cool:

[etoiles]

Frankly I don't like Kerry much either, but with a choice between the two I know who my pick is.

Poll: Many Americans Still Unsure Whom To Vote Against
the Onion (http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4022&n=1&bypass=1) :D

[blackfox]

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919)

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government. -Edward Abbey, naturalist and author (1927-1989)

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair. --H.L. Mencken
Thankyou Zim, you saved me a little effort here...there is a BIG difference between patriotism and nationalism imo....as far as Bushs' latest PR...I know he doesn't read much (epecially history, it would seem), but what are his speechwriters' excuses?

[Neserk]

Your being a real jack a$$ by saying that. Even though you don't like his decisions, show your commander and cheif (and country) a litte more respect.


That went out about 6 months ago. We have since learned that Bus is indeed a moron and liar and a bunch of other things. He deserves *NO* respect whatsoever. Respect is earned.



If you don't like the way this country is bing ran, and hate this county get the ******* out! Move to some third world country like Nigeria or Somolia.

I don't leave when I don't like it. I change it, thank you very much!

[Neserk]

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919)



Hey Zim! You stole my quote!

[zimv20]

Hey Zim! You stole my quote!
my apologies, mr. president

;-)

[Rower_CPU]

Quick reminder folks - the profanity filter is there for a reason. Trying to get around will get you in trouble.

Certain words, however, are not censored and by trying to fool the censor on those words you make yourself look silly. So, say what you want and let the board take care of the clean up.

For instance, ass and dick aren't censored, so don't bother with a$$ and d!ck - but don't abuse 'em either.

[IJ Reilly]

Heh-heh-heh. Let's talk dirty in Hawaiian (obscure reference, somebody will get it).

One time on the Yahoo boards I was censored for using the very nasty adjective "cockamamie." I'm so glad we can use that term around here -- which, while we're at it, accurately describes the president's analogy.

[blackfox]

This is for you IJ, (and no it is not hawaiian):

telhasi teezi! (hint: I am sure it has been said a lot about Bush as of late...) also...
boos teezee!

extra credit for knowing what I've said...

[mcfudd]

If you don't like the way this country is bing ran, and hate this county get the **** out! Move to some third world country like Nigeria or Somolia.

Musicpyrite, don't you have something better to do with your time --- like listen to a Rush Limbaugh broadcast??? I mean, how could anybody be so passionate about supporting Bush???

As for your comment, there is almost nothing more Un-American to me than what you are asking those who think Bush is a fascist pig to do -- leave the country if we don't like it??? What???

The whole basis of our democratic form of goverment -- and what the Bill of Rights guarantees --- is the right of citizens to disagree with those in power. If I want to say I think Bush is a inbred-redneck-dishonest-lying-greedy politician I can.

One of the main reasons for the Iraq war was to give the people of Iraq the privlege of being able disagree openly (freedom of speech) with their leaders. Until the regime change, a person would have been KILLED for speaking-out against Hussein.

So, in the tradition of this great counrty (that Bush is totally screwing), I choose to stay and campaign hard for a change in leadership this November.

Arbitrary rule has its basis, not in the strength of the state or the chief, but in the moral weakness of the individual, who submits almost without resistance to the domineering power.
Friedrich Hatzel

[Zaid]

Oh, oh. This is heading for the Political section (and instant death).

But before the moderator throws this thread into no man's land, let me say that comparing Bush's escapades with WWII is insulting in the extreme to the over 290,000 Americans who died to defeat fascism.

Lets also not forget how insulting it is to the 350,000 British, the 6.1 million russians and the 1.3 million chinese (amongst others) who also died to free the world from fascism.

You know the old saying, America provided the guns, Britain the time and Russia the blood.

[takao]

... the 6.1 million russians ...

more like ..19.1 million soviet soldiers

but no one knows exactly for sure..might be even more


You know the old saying, America provided the guns, Britain the time and Russia the blood.

have to agree



this whole comparing WW 2 with "war on terror" is a little bit far off and wasn't a wise move ... you know how hitler justified the invasion of poland ? "Seit heute Morgen, 5 Uhr 45, wird zurückgeschossen" ("Since today 5:45 AM our troops are shooting back") and he called poland a 'threat' ... he just lied that poland attacked germany _first_ and the "Hurra-Patriotismus" (="horray patriotism" the word can't be translated so easily) done the rest...

[Zaid]

more like ..19.1 million soviet soldiers

but no one knows exactly for sure..might be even more



Yeh i've heard numbers as high as 22 million, but i decided to use the most conservative numbers i could find, not to in any way diminish their sacrifice, but rather to prevent someone saying i was inflating numers.

The key point was that it was a World war, and that many millions who were not americans also made the ultimate sacrifice.

Comparing this shambolic open-ended declaration of war to WWII is an insult to all those who died.

The one question i still have, is the war in Iraq supposed to be part of the war on terror?

[Zaid]

"Like the Second World War, our present conflict began with a ruthless surprise attack on the United States," Mr Bush said.


ABC News, Australia (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1121778.htm)


So WWII started when Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. riiiiiiight. Glad we're all clear on that one.


If i were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, i'd suppose that he meant American Involvement in WWII began with ... .

[skunk]

The man talks total bollocks. :confused: :mad:

[musicpyrite]

I've really got to stop posting in political forums...

[krimson]

Avryone in da wurld need to hava pokololo. Den avryone be happy yah brah?

[IJ Reilly]

This is for you IJ, (and no it is not hawaiian):

telhasi teezi! (hint: I am sure it has been said a lot about Bush as of late...) also...
boos teezee!

extra credit for knowing what I've said...

Google says it's something not very nice in Arabic.

[IJ Reilly]

I've really got to stop posting in political forums...

Yeah, people make you justify your opinions here. It's a bummer.

[blackfox]

Below are excerpts from Bush's speech which seem particularly ironic...

... Like other totalitarian movements, the terrorists seek to impose a grim vision in which dissent is crushed and every man and woman must think and live in colorless conformity. So to the oppressed peoples everywhere we are offering the great alternative of human liberty.

...In all these threats we hear the echoes of other enemies in other times: that same swagger and demented logic of the fanatic.

...We believe that societies find their greatness by encouraging the creative gifts of their people, not in controlling their lives and feeding their resentments


...We bring more than a vision to this conflict. We bring a strategy that will lead to victory.

...Fighting terror is not just a matter of killing or capturing terrorists.

...We're taking the side of reformers who are standing for human rights and political freedom, often at great personal risk.

...Many brave Iraqis have stepped forward to fight for their own freedom...and we're working closely with them to disband and destroy the illegal militia

...No act of America explains the terrorist violence and no concession of America could appease it.
I apologize, as some were taken slightly out of context...but I do not feel excessively so.

[yuc7zhd2]

I really didn't intend for this to become a heated political debate, my viewpoint was more ... haha, funny stupid political statement. Anyways, I'm glad to see that many of you got something out of this. Now for some political soundoff...I think old GW has really lost his mind. Soon he'll be wearing Betty Ford's underpants in the Lincoln Bedroom blabbering about WMD in Iceland or something.

[Neserk]

Soon he'll be wearing Betty Ford's underpants in the Lincoln Bedroom blabbering about WMD in Iceland or something.

Wouldn't it be nice if it were that obvious? :D

[jefhatfield]

I did like how he said Japan's "sneak" pre-emptive attack on Pearl Harbor was so bad, yet his Pre-emptive attack on Iraq was okay.

Oh, I really like how me mentioned Iraq as a regime that used WMDs, non specifically.. well my question to Bushy is, what other nation has used WMDs? :)

bush was probably in a good place with world opinion by only going into afganistan and for a few months after september 11th much of the world was with us... but he really hurt his image with the world and many americans when, in the middle of the war on terrorism, he pulled off a terrorist act himself by attacking iraq

the fact that saddam was not a good guy does not help when we still attacked a country that did not provoke or attack us

many countries in the world have dictators but you don't see somebody bigger and stronger going in and invading them...two wrongs don't make a right

and after the mess that this war has become, more and more americans are believing this war was wrong from the get go, especially after the disclosure that iraq did not have many, or any, weapons of mass destruction

the al qaeda agents who killed innocents in iraq may have come into that country only after the usa waged an invasion on that country and most don't believe that iraq was, or is, a terrorist country tied in with september 11th

now the usa is so entrenched in iraq that even if kerry wins, he won't be able to easily pull out of that country anytime soon

the lessons of the vietnam war were what kept us out of the first iraq war in that region too long or unprotected, but like nations do, we forgot history and now, in iraq, we are repeating the same mistakes of the long and painful vietnam war