More Evidence of Cameras in Next Gen iPod Touch and Nano?

[MacRumors]

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Two new images of cases for the upcoming iPod Touch and iPod Nano have begun circulating. The new cases suggest that the next generation Touch and Nano will indeed include a camera.

The first image from Uxsight (http://www.uxsight.com/product/17552/antislip-silicone-skin-case-for-ipod-touch-8gb-16gb-red.html) is listed as a "New iPod Touch 3G" with "hold for a camera in the back" and comes with the following image:


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/07/06/041740-xs0013090602c_500.jpg

The second case design was posted (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27109) on DealExtreme and shows an "iPod Nano 5" case with another hole in the back that is presumably again for the camera:

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/07/06/041800-sku_27109_2_500.jpg

The reliability of these early case designs has been mixed in the past. While they have been accurate (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/12/leaked-3rd-party-iphone-3g-cases-were-real/) with the iPhone 3G design, they were also responsible for many of the iPhone Nano claims (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/12/23/more-iphone-nano-case-design-photos/) which never came true.

Still, the design of the iPod Nano's camera location is consistent with (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/26/artist-rendition-of-5g-ipod-nano-with-camera/) sketches provided by iLounge in May. iLounge also reported that the iPod Nano would be getting a camera with its next revision.

Article Link: More Evidence of Cameras in Next Gen iPod Touch and Nano? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/06/more-evidence-of-cameras-in-next-gen-ipod-touch-and-nano/)

[CChrisG]

omg .. these covers are soooo ugly! :)

[LloydBraun89]

Um I dont see any reason why you would need a camera on the nano.

[Merkuryy]

Can someone told me how should I use an iPod with a camera less than 3.2M (for sure) while I have a Nokia N85 with 5M pixels, and not counting there are millions of people who are using the N73. I still think "Battery Life" will be the killer apps for 7G iPod as they did it to the Macbook lines:eek:

[philgilder]

Can someone told me how should I use an iPod with a camera less than 3.2M (for sure) while I have a Nokia N85 with 5M pixels, and not counting there are millions of people who are using the N73. I still think "Battery Life" will be the killer apps for 7G iPod as they did it to the Macbook lines:eek:
megapixels aren't everything, and for many people a mobile phone camera won't replace a standard camera because no matter how many pixels the phone has, it won't match the quality

I'm wondering why the cases have a longer hole for the camera. flash? mirror?

[butterfly0fdoom]

I just want to know why the Nano's camera is located in such a moronic location.

[Compile 'em all]

I just want to know why the Nano's camera is located in such a moronic location.

Because you hold the nano in landscape when taking the photo.

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

I can see the point in this, IF, the camera is on pair with normal digital cameras....

If not, meh.

[thomahawk]

well i'd love to see a camera on the new ipod touch.

that way i can upload pics up facebook or whatever when theres wifi. since i dont usually bring my laptop when traveling.

[na1577]

@ Arn

Two additional iPod touch cases depicting the same camera location:

http://www.iphoneography.com/journal/2009/6/4/silicon-case-for-ipod-touch-3g-with-camera.html
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25889~r.55313135
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On one hand, I think it's a bit odd that the iPod touch has the camera in the middle, as the back of the touch already looks strange enough... but I suppose the lock button and WiFi antenna wouldn't allow it to be placed anywhere else. As for the iPod nano, that's a really stupid idea. WHY would it be placed there? I've heard people mention it's because of landscape mode, but who holds their nano that way when they use it in landscape? I really hope the case in that picture is upside down :o

I think the idea of a camera in the nano is a bit pointless, but I guess Apple doesn't want the money the poured into the iPhone camera to be a waste.

[talkingfuture]

Could be a good gimmick, what I really want is GPS though.

[wizard]

Um I dont see any reason why you would need a camera on the nano.

Besides the use by perverts I can see many people making use of a camera in more acceptable ways. However I don't see the camera being good enough to be a huge draw.

As to the pics I'm not even sure the cut outs are for cameras. The shape is to odd for that. What an oblong camera?


Dave

[Zwhaler]

Sounds promising. September we come!

[talkingfuture]

On their site it says that it only fits the 8GB and 16GB models. That seems a little suspicious, surely the new touch will have 16, 32 and 64 GB models.

[aljawad]

At this early stage of a new series of iPod anticipations (ETA: September, two full months ahead), and given how Apple is known for not releasing future specs to third party manufacturers until almost the time of the products release: exactly how much faith can we put on such alleged pictures?

[SuperMacMan]

I *really* just want Apple to make the iPod Touch as similar to the iPhone as possible.

i.e. put the lock button on the right (not left) like iPhone, the camera on the right, GPS, etc. etc.

The only difference would be minus the cell phone parts.

[caption]

The hole in the button-back part of the new iPod Nano is where the new Mini USB port input is. All thanks to the new European standard.




Don't worry... im bluffing...

[MarkMS]

Could be a good gimmick, what I really want is GPS though.

I *really* just want Apple to make the iPod Touch as similar to the iPhone as possible.

i.e. put the lock button on the right (not left) like iPhone, the camera on the right, GPS, etc. etc.

The only difference would be minus the cell phone parts.


GPS sounds like a good feature on paper, but without a WiFi connection it's useless. Apple is willing to keep it out of the Touch mainly because they'll have people calling Apple Support asking how to get GPS to work in the car. Then again they could preload the Touch with the maps, but that would just waste precious storage space.

I would agree they should make it similar to the iPhone with the lock button and camera lens location (if the cases turn out to be for the real Touch).

[griz]

I *really* just want Apple to make the iPod Touch as similar to the iPhone as possible.

i.e. put the lock button on the right (not left) like iPhone, the camera on the right, GPS, etc. etc.

The only difference would be minus the cell phone parts.

I'll second that but I don't see it happening since they need to differentiate the product enough to give people incentive to go to the iPhone. I'm already happy carrying an old Lg5100 along with my touch. Give me all the other iPhone features in the touch and I will not be likely to think about the iPhone ever again.

[griz]

At this early stage of a new series of iPod anticipations (ETA: September, two full months ahead), and given how Apple is known for not releasing future specs to third party manufacturers until almost the time of the products release: exactly how much faith can we put on such alleged pictures?

Here's a thought. Maybe we will see it in July. Something bigger will be announced in Sept. I mean that in terms of physical size as well a grandure.

[arn]

GPS sounds like a good feature on paper, but without a WiFi connection it's useless.

I don't know why people think GPS requires Wi-Fi. Do those Garmin GPS's all have a persistent wireless connection? No, you just have local/downloaded maps.

see: http://appshopper.com/navigation/g-map-us-east

arn

[brendanspah764]

There has always been a dramatic change to the Nano.
First: White Plastic "Classic"
Second: Aluminum "More Mini"
Third: Square Widescreen "Fatty"
Fourth: Back to Candybar-Design Thinner Accelerometer "Perfect?"

But a CAMERA! I was hoping for a new case to the Nano. I am pretty sure NONE of us has had a moment and said, " Darn... Why couldn't have my Nano had a camera! That is what they need to put in next!!!!" It'll probably be a crappy VGA camera, the cameras that were in cell phones in 2000-2005 or whatever. I hoping that all of this is fake because I am in need of a new iPod...

[griz]

Then again they could preload the Touch with the maps, but that would just waste precious storage space.



While I see the addition of GPS unlikely your mention of the space restriction actually lends credence to the notion that it could be an exclusive addition to the 64gig model. This would be a big upsell feature.

[aljawad]

I don't know why people think GPS requires Wi-Fi. Do those Garmin GPS's all have a persistent wireless connection? No, you just have local/downloaded maps.

see: http://appshopper.com/navigation/g-map-us-east

arn

The strength of the GPS implementation on the iPhone is the online link, enabling up to the minute links to sites and features that are not necessarily available as either hard-wired or software additions on mainstream GPS units.

GPS is also an attractive feature to complement the camera for geotagged imagery :p

[Phycoduck]

I don’t see why add a camera to a music device. But you have to admit, the Nano is an amazing device in a very small package. Not just that… out of all the apples products, the nano is the most better looking and best build quality. And just for £150.

And now they are adding a camera and I think upping the memory to 32GB (going by the history).

That very good engineering.

[Hellhammer]

This is the wrong way... Economic is so bad now that Apple should make "cheap" products now, a Nano with 2Gb or 4Gb in low-end, starting at 99$. Cameras are so useless if they suck, I would buy a good camera instead of new Nano

[Warbrain]

GPS sounds like a good feature on paper, but without a WiFi connection it's useless. Apple is willing to keep it out of the Touch mainly because they'll have people calling Apple Support asking how to get GPS to work in the car. Then again they could preload the Touch with the maps, but that would just waste precious storage space.

I would agree they should make it similar to the iPhone with the lock button and camera lens location (if the cases turn out to be for the real Touch).

Maybe it's possible that Apple purchased the offline Google Maps required for this.

I don't know why people think GPS requires Wi-Fi. Do those Garmin GPS's all have a persistent wireless connection? No, you just have local/downloaded maps.

see: http://appshopper.com/navigation/g-map-us-east

arn

The downloading of the maps...which could be circumvented by purchasing the right to have offline Google Maps.

There has always been a dramatic change to the Nano.
First: White Plastic "Classic"
Second: Aluminum "More Mini"
Third: Square Widescreen "Fatty"
Fourth: Back to Candybar-Design Thinner Accelerometer "Perfect?"

But a CAMERA! I was hoping for a new case to the Nano. I am pretty sure NONE of us has had a moment and said, " Darn... Why couldn't have my Nano had a camera! That is what they need to put in next!!!!" It'll probably be a crappy VGA camera, the cameras that were in cell phones in 2000-2005 or whatever. I hoping that all of this is fake because I am in need of a new iPod...

Just because we're seeing some silicone cases made by a Chinese company means nothing. Maybe we won't see a camera. Maybe the nano will be slimmer. You need to consider that there is not much more space they can eliminate because of the size of the headphone jack and dock connector.

[zedsdead]

The camera seems to be almost definite at this point.

I agree that the iPod Touch should (and likely will) get GPS. Now that Tom Tom and others are/will be offering downloadable map apps, it is no problem.

[DELLsFan]

GPS sounds like a good feature on paper, but without a WiFi connection it's useless. Apple is willing to keep it out of the Touch mainly because they'll have people calling Apple Support asking how to get GPS to work in the car. Then again they could preload the Touch with the maps, but that would just waste precious storage space...

Oh ye of little faith ... Soon, everyone in the U.S. will be able to connect to the internet ... especially on the go ... making concerns in the car moot. WiMAX FTW. Meanwhile, enjoy the camera rumors! :rolleyes:

[butterfly0fdoom]

Because you hold the nano in landscape when taking the photo.

You see that curve on the other side of the camera hole? That's for the click wheel. Where your HAND goes. And logically, your hand will cover the back side IN THE SAME LOCATION. Therefore, why is the camera hole not in the other corner, where your hand wouldn't be?

[OutSpoken]

I don’t see why add a camera to a music device. But you have to admit, the Nano is an amazing device in a very small package. Not just that… out of all the apples products, the nano is the most better looking and best build quality. And just for £150.

And now they are adding a camera and I think upping the memory to 32GB (going by the history).

That very good engineering.

I agree.

I was umming and ahhring over the touch 2g and nano 4g...and in the end went for the Nano... For an incredibly small device, It's sooo cool.:cool:

[iOrlando]

what device can quench the thirst of those version folk thirsty for the iphone? an ipod touch of course

[twoodcc]

why would they call they next touch an iPod Touch 3G?

[morrisman1]

If the shuffle had a camera, i'd buy it

[Saladinos]

why would they call they next touch an iPod Touch 3G?

It has a 3G whispernet.

What? Didn't you catch that?

[JonB3Z]

The strength of the GPS implementation on the iPhone is the online link, enabling up to the minute links to sites and features that are not necessarily available as either hard-wired or software additions on mainstream GPS units.

That's only one aspect of the iPhone's GPS nav that's attractive, and for many people online access isn't important. Having GPS nav in a device that you are likely to have with you most always is a stronger attraction to me. The needed storage for map data is only a small fraction of the available storage, too.

What makes GPS in the rumored Touch interesting is that you would now have a single pocket device that performs iPod, gaming, camera, nav and WiFi access -- all without a $$$/month cellular plan. Yeah, I think that would sell.

[Dagless]

Can someone told me how should I use an iPod with a camera less than 3.2M (for sure) while I have a Nokia N85 with 5M pixels, and not counting there are millions of people who are using the N73. I still think "Battery Life" will be the killer apps for 7G iPod as they did it to the Macbook lines:eek:

That's all well and good but how about the people who aren't using these cameras? My gadget roster includes a Motorola Razr (I don't need anything more) and a EOS 350D, but given the size of an SLR I don't always carry it with me.
What do I always carry with me? An iPod.

So not being a tech snob; I'd love this.

This is the wrong way... Economic is so bad now that Apple should make "cheap" products now, a Nano with 2Gb or 4Gb in low-end, starting at 99$. Cameras are so useless if they suck, I would buy a good camera instead of new Nano

You'd think so but people are still buying these machines by the bucket load. I don't think they have anything to worry about. So long as the price doesn't jump up that is.

[Merkuryy]

megapixels aren't everything, and for many people a mobile phone camera won't replace a standard camera because no matter how many pixels the phone has, it won't match the quality

I'm wondering why the cases have a longer hole for the camera. flash? mirror?

I truly understand the megapixel effect,the fact that I still use DC for vacation and big events, and my N85 only for daily life picture.

But can you imagine the Nano having a better camera than the iPhone 3GS? So just wondering what it will be all about.

the longer hole stand for "camera+mirror" for Asians, since girls here like to take pictures by themselves:D

[knightlie]

why would they call they next touch an iPod Touch 3G?

3rd Generation?

[Warbrain]

You'd think so but people are still buying these machines by the bucket load. I don't think they have anything to worry about. So long as the price doesn't jump up that is.

There are certain things during recessions that people will continually buy. Such things existed during the Great Depression. Same thing is happening now.

People want to listen to their music no matter what the economy is like and, for many, it may be the cheapest form of entertainment over a long-term period. A $150 dollar music player, if used even half the week, makes more sense than a first-run movie every week when considering the cost as most people have music they can already put on it.

Apple should be extremely happy that they have developed a brand and a product line that people will not leave even when the money flow slows.

[LilBabiNothing]

is anyone having problems getting there mobile me to work on a pc use Safari or firefox? ( i have the newest versions) i use a mac at home and a pc at work and for some reason i cant get mobile me to work on the pc :confused:

[peterdevries]

This is the wrong way... Economic is so bad now that Apple should make "cheap" products now, a Nano with 2Gb or 4Gb in low-end, starting at 99$. Cameras are so useless if they suck, I would buy a good camera instead of new Nano

Does that good camera play music?

Seriously, I thought "whatever" when I bought my iPhone 3G with a 2.1 MP camera. I have never been interested in mobile phones with camera's because they tend to be not very good, and you never look at the pictures later anyway. Those times (like on holiday) when you do go somewhere to make pictures I tended to have a good camera with me. BUT I'm using my iPhone camera more often than I though I would. The pictures are good enough for snapshots. The new 3GS which has a 3 MP camera makes good enough pictures for standard sized reprints that probably around 95% of people use. Those people that make large reprints use better camera's anyway.

IMO 3 MP is good enough if they have a good lense to make use of it, especially if it has the focusing abilities of the iPhone 3GS, although I doubt that the Nano's software would be able to do that.

[wizard]

GPS sounds like a good feature on paper, but without a WiFi connection it's useless.

I'm not sure why this ignorance is constantly repeated, there is nothing about GPS that requires WiFi or Cellular data for that matter.

Apple is willing to keep it out of the Touch mainly because they'll have people calling Apple Support asking how to get GPS to work in the car. Then again they could preload the Touch with the maps, but that would just waste precious storage space.

Wishful thinking if you ask me. Besides it is up to the user to decide how he wants to use his storage space.


I would agree they should make it similar to the iPhone with the lock button and camera lens location (if the cases turn out to be for the real Touch).

Actually there is good arguement for completely rearranging the controls to better support advanced software features. Plus the camera could use a shutter release button.



Dave

[bli625]

GPS sounds like a good feature on paper, but without a WiFi connection it's useless. Apple is willing to keep it out of the Touch mainly because they'll have people calling Apple Support asking how to get GPS to work in the car. Then again they could preload the Touch with the maps, but that would just waste precious storage space.

I would agree they should make it similar to the iPhone with the lock button and camera lens location (if the cases turn out to be for the real Touch).

GPS requires Wi-Fi? Psh. No it doesn't.

[peterdevries]

the longer hole stand for "camera+mirror" for Asians, since girls here like to take pictures by themselves:D

I sincerely hope they will leave that mirror crap out of the design of the nano and the Touch. I'm too ugly and not asian enough to take pictures of myself. ;)

[Warbrain]

GPS requires Wi-Fi? Psh. No it doesn't.

The actual GPS doesn't but the maps to go with it need to be downloaded or Apple needs to arrange a deal with Google to have their maps stored on the device.

[Gravity]

The teardrop shape for the camera hole suggests that it's also accommodating an LED Flash component... something I've always wanted my iPhone camera to have...

[timerollson]

Guess the iPod Classic will never be updated with a larger capacity HD, huh?:(

Hopefully, the new iPod Touch will finally reach 64GB....

[Warbrain]

The teardrop shape for the camera hole suggests that it's also accommodating an LED Flash component... something I've always wanted my iPhone camera to have...

It looks more like a self-portrait mirror than a flash.

Guess the iPod Classic will never be updated with a larger capacity HD, huh?:(

Hopefully, the new iPod Touch will finally reach 64GB....

It probably will. Only time will tell.

[Jimmy James]

I can see the point in this, IF, the camera is on pair with normal digital cameras....

If not, meh.

On any device this thin the focal length is too shallow to utilize a sensor that is comparable to a proper point and shoot camera. This means that a smaller sensor must be used and increasing the megapixel count gives you an unfavorably high pixel density. This is not something that can be overcome with engineering. It's simply a physical limitation.

GPS sounds like a good feature on paper, but without a WiFi connection it's useless....Then again they could preload the Touch with the maps, but that would just waste precious storage space.

Why does a satellite navigation device require wifi? The Garmin in my car doesn't. The handheld I use with topographical maps for hiking doesn't. And neither would this device. Apple's implementation of gps in the iphone using streaming google maps is a very poor imitation of how a proper gps should function. Oh, and for me preloaded maps would be the best possible use of space.

Add both of these functions and I could consolidate my cheap "always in the car" pocketable camera and and least one of my gps devices.

[Drag'nGT]

This is a great idea on Apple's part and it makes Microsoft look just big an idiot as always. We're two years into the iPod Touch and the App Store and here comes Microsoft and the Zune HD to mimic the Touch.

Apple "Here's our iPod Touch."
MS "We have that too. The brand new Zune HD!"
Apple "Ours has a camera now."
MS "Dammit!!! Why didn't we think of that!"

I just think it's funny to watch them chase after Apple. :cool:

[Packersfan27]

This is a great idea on Apple's part and it makes Microsoft look just big an idiot as always. We're two years into the iPod Touch and the App Store and here comes Microsoft and the Zune HD to mimic the Touch.

Apple "Here's our iPod Touch."
MS "We have that too. The brand new Zune HD!"
Apple "Ours has a camera now."
MS "Dammit!!! Why didn't we think of that!"

I just think it's funny to watch them chase after Apple. :cool:

This can be taken both ways dude.

Microsoft "Here's our new Zune HD."
Apple "We have a new iPod Touch too!"
Microsoft "Ours has an OLED screen."
Apple "Dammit!! Why didn't we think of that!"

Just sayin :p ...

[stainlessliquid]

It would be great if they made an ipod with a high quality camera. But it has to be high quality otherwise whats the point when every cell phone in the world has a camera now. Megapixels arent that big a deal, I just want a camera that has proper exposure.

[Hattig]

http://www.iphoneography.com/journal/2009/6/4/silicon-case-for-ipod-touch-3g-with-camera.html
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25889~r.55313135


Hmm, in the centre here, but the other case has it in a corner.

I suspect that Apple had a couple of concept devices with the camera in different places, and one of these will turn out to be the correct one, selected after usability testing.

Shame really, the red case in the picture had a big enough hold for a LED flash as well. Well, it does have the teardrop hole in the middle I guess, if that's the camera, is the other hold there for decoration, or to allow some mirror-finish use?

[na1577]

Hmm, in the centre here, but the other case has it in a corner.

All the cases have a center hole, the one with the teardrop is for the WiFi antenna.

[dnguyen]

sounds cool but is it necessary? i guess thats the case with a lot of technology though

[MarkMS]

Why does a satellite navigation device require wifi? The Garmin in my car doesn't. The handheld I use with topographical maps for hiking doesn't. And neither would this device. Apple's implementation of gps in the iphone using streaming google maps is a very poor imitation of how a proper gps should function. Oh, and for me preloaded maps would be the best possible use of space.

Add both of these functions and I could consolidate my cheap "always in the car" pocketable camera and and least one of my gps devices.

I never meant to imply that GPS requires WiFi or some always-on internet connection. It's just a nice feature to have, especially when you can receive up to the minute updates. And yes, Apple could preload maps but some might want to use that space for more music/videos. And at the moment, the only way Apple handles Maps is through a internet connection downloading the images. I don't foresee them using two different ways of handling Maps on the iPhone and Touch.

And as Arn pointed out, you can download maps to an iPhone/Touch using G-Map. But it'll set you back $70 (for both East and West map packs) and about 1.6GB of space. I'm all for more features on the Touch, but there must be a reason for no GPS. Licensing issues may be one. Preloading and map updates are another. They could allow GPS Touch users to download the maps from the App Store, but it goes against Apple's philosophy of "it just works" out of the box.

[entropys]

This can be taken both ways dude.

Microsoft "Here's our new Zune HD."
Apple "We have a new iPod Touch too!"
Microsoft "Ours has an OLED screen."
Apple "Dammit!! Why didn't we think of that!"

Just sayin :p ...

Well, an OLED screen might look good, but must have a serious impact on margins (I suspect MS is willing to be loss making on the Zune HD). And in twelve months it could bite MS on the bum as the screen starts to deteriorate. Apple, with its large volumes, can't afford to be too avant garde with the screen.

And I don't think the average buyer could care less. I think an OLED screen would be cool, but I am a bit of a geek and most people's eyes would glaze over about the "E". It would go like this: camera, or OLED screen? which to choose? And the girl picks the camera!

I would be more concerned about the HD part of the new Zune's name.

[fef714]

This can be taken both ways dude.

Microsoft "Here's our new Zune HD."
Apple "We have a new iPod Touch too!"
Microsoft "Ours has an OLED screen."
Apple "Dammit!! Why didn't we think of that!"

Just sayin :p ...

Ummm, except Apple beat them to the punch by like two years...

[avrpatsfan]

i posted this before but nobody saw it.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=738943
looks fake

[Machorky]

Guess who wii win the rumor？ let us wait for the coming september:D

[TurboSC]

it's only a natural progression, all devices are mashing together these days...

[bobertoq]

Can someone told me how should I use an iPod with a camera less than 3.2M (for sure) while I have a Nokia N85 with 5M pixels, and not counting there are millions of people who are using the N73. I still think "Battery Life" will be the killer apps for 7G iPod as they did it to the Macbook lines:eek:From my experience larger mega-pixels in camera-phones only make the picture worse. I don't understand why you'd use a camera-phone when you can use a camera-digital.

Anyway, why would you want an iPhone Nano? The iPhone is already tiny. Also, those pictures look awfully ugly.

[Packersfan27]

Ummm, except Apple beat them to the punch by like two years...

But who cares? I don't care who came out with the product first, I care which product is better. If the better product is the iPod Touch 3rd Gen, then it will be my next device. If the Zune HD is the superior of the two, then I will fork over the dough to Microsoft.

[brendanspah764]

Has there ever been a case that had been "leaked" and then actually being fake?

I tried to word that right, but you get the idea.

[fef714]

But who cares? I don't care who came out with the product first, I care which product is better. If the better product is the iPod Touch 3rd Gen, then it will be my next device. If the Zune HD is the superior of the two, then I will fork over the dough to Microsoft.

Although yes, IF Microsoft were to make a better product, I would get it, but an OLED screen isn't THAT big a deal.

Now if Microsoft had a good Zune App store, with a nice browser, then were talking.

But by the time Microsoft comes out with these things, Apple will probably have another cool feature.



Oh, and no Zune for me until they work with OS X :rolleyes:

[Packersfan27]

Although yes, IF Microsoft were to make a better product, I would get it, but an OLED screen isn't THAT big a deal.

Now if Microsoft had a good Zune App store, with a nice browser, then were talking.

But by the time Microsoft comes out with these things, Apple will probably have another cool feature.



Oh, and no Zune for me until they work with OS X :rolleyes:

Well only time will tell :p

And yea, I forgot Zune does not work with OSX, that is a little fail.

[jdm111]

I think this is very likely after Nintendo followed this direction with the DSi.

I also think the bit at the side of the hole could be an indicator light to show if the camera is on like on the Mac's iSight cameras.
http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=181718&stc=1&d=1247094852

[no.1 Apple Fan]

I hope that Apple won't make the product lines that close to each other. I think it would be interesting if Apple put the camera in the iPod Nano but the Touch would be almost exactly like the iPhone with a camera.:confused:

[iMacmatician]

I hope that Apple won't make the product lines that close to each other. I think it would be interesting if Apple put the camera in the iPod Nano but the Touch would be almost exactly like the iPhone with a camera.:confused:There is still the phone and its $2000 contract.