Speed of 3GS after jailbreak . [Archive]

Kahnyl

Jul 8, 2009, 09:52 AM

Nothing takes perceptively longer than it did before I jailbroke. I don't have Winterboard but have MobileSubstrate and a few addons for it. I'm really impressed with how it handles it. I keep forgetting I have apps open in the background because there's no sign of impact on the rest of the OS. That, and my battery life is great. This might have more to do with being able to turn services off easily from SBSettings, but my battery lasts about the same. The only thing that has really impacted it so far has been while installing things. Installing and uninstalling Winterboard took a lot of battery power for example.

mavis

Jul 8, 2009, 10:01 AM

and i compaired to stock 3.0 on my GF 3G iphone and my 3GS is still MUCH fast at everything..Of course it is, what do you expect? :rolleyes:

Try comparing a jailbroken 3GS to a non-jailbroken 3GS. There is a VERY noticeable difference. Booting takes about 10 seconds longer. Apps take longer (not much longer, but still ...) to open. Animations aren't quite as smooth (again, not a HUGE difference, but it's there) ... I get so sick of people claiming that there's no slowdown whatsoever when the slowdown is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS when you're actually comparing two 3GS', side by side. I actually restored my phone to stock tonight because I really missed the snappiness of a stock 3GS, but I'm really tempted to jailbreak again to to prove, once and for all, that there is a slowdown when you jailbreak and run MobileSubstrate + WinterBoard. Just because you guys aren't observant enough to notice it doesn't mean it's not there.

spamdumpster

Jul 8, 2009, 10:51 AM

Of course it is, what do you expect? :rolleyes:

Try comparing a jailbroken 3GS to a non-jailbroken 3GS. There is a VERY noticeable difference. Booting takes about 10 seconds longer. Apps take longer (not much longer, but still ...) to open. Animations aren't quite as smooth (again, not a HUGE difference, but it's there) ... I get so sick of people claiming that there's no slowdown whatsoever when the slowdown is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS when you're actually comparing two 3GS', side by side. I actually restored my phone to stock tonight because I really missed the snappiness of a stock 3GS, but I'm really tempted to jailbreak again to to prove, once and for all, that there is a slowdown when you jailbreak and run MobileSubstrate + WinterBoard. Just because you guys aren't observant enough to notice it doesn't mean it's not there.

I agree with this completely. I jailbroke my 3GS as soon as purplera1n was released and noticed very little difference, As soon as I installed Winterboard on Monday, however, there was a very noticeable difference. I wasn't sure whether the purplera1n jailbreak was the problem, so I restored and re-jailbroke using redsn01 and reinstalled winterboard and still noticed a big difference. So finally I decided to restore and jailbreak and do without winterboard.

Still have to do a little theming though

Kahnyl

Jul 8, 2009, 10:52 AM

MistaBungle

Jul 8, 2009, 10:57 AM

All I wanted from the JB was SBSettings. The speed is still present on mine.

mavis

Jul 8, 2009, 11:18 AM

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Of course it is, what do you expect? :rolleyes:

Try comparing a jailbroken 3GS to a non-jailbroken 3GS. There is a VERY noticeable difference. Booting takes about 10 seconds longer. Apps take longer (not much longer, but still ...) to open. Animations aren't quite as smooth (again, not a HUGE difference, but it's there) ... I get so sick of people claiming that there's no slowdown whatsoever when the slowdown is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS when you're actually comparing two 3GS', side by side. I actually restored my phone to stock tonight because I really missed the snappiness of a stock 3GS, but I'm really tempted to jailbreak again to to prove, once and for all, that there is a slowdown when you jailbreak and run MobileSubstrate + WinterBoard. Just because you guys aren't observant enough to notice it doesn't mean it's not there.

You're very anal about this speed thing. Calm down. I used the word "perceptively" just for you.

I'm calm. ;)

It just annoys me to hear people carry on about how there's absolutely no perceptible speed loss whatsoever on jailbroken iPhones (at least when running MobileSubstrate, etc, which for many people is the whole POINT of jailbreaking) ... There is a perceptible slowdown. PERIOD. It is quantifiable, reproducable, and quite OBVIOUS to see when comparing a jailbroken device with a non-jailbroken one.

Opie

Jul 8, 2009, 11:29 AM

I jailbroke mine with purplera1n and have
1. SBsettings
2. Winterboard(user wallpaper only)
3. MIM
and have noticed no slow down. I put mine and my wifes next to each other (both 3gs) they were identical in speed as far as app launching and web surfing. In fact mine was a little faster on a few of the test.

spamdumpster

Jul 8, 2009, 12:27 PM

You're very anal about this speed thing. Calm down. I used the word "perceptively" just for you.

I think you're using "perceptively" wrong.

miggitymac

Jul 8, 2009, 12:32 PM

Whenever my springboard gets reset by winterboard, there's about a 2 second lag when entering numbers into the lock screen.

Other than that, no noticeable difference.

NT1440

Jul 8, 2009, 12:32 PM

I'm calm. ;)

It just annoys me to hear people carry on about how there's absolutely no perceptible speed loss whatsoever on jailbroken iPhones (at least when running MobileSubstrate, etc, which for many people is the whole POINT of jailbreaking) ... There is a perceptible slowdown. PERIOD. It is quantifiable, reproducable, and quite OBVIOUS to see when comparing a jailbroken device with a non-jailbroken one.

You know what annoys me? When someone's own personal experiences makes them think their word is god and holds true for everyone else. Jailbreaking and adding winterboard has never slowed down my first gen touch at all. It can cause slowdowns, but it also doesn't mean for certain that there will be one. I'm not sure why there seems to be such a range of results, but for me, I've never had a slowdown and Ive been jailbreaking since it was still a 70 something step process.

It does happen, and it does not happen, results will very. Your words aren't godly.

azsprty

Jul 8, 2009, 12:58 PM

I agree with this completely. I jailbroke my 3GS as soon as purplera1n was released and noticed very little difference, As soon as I installed Winterboard on Monday, however, there was a very noticeable difference. I wasn't sure whether the purplera1n jailbreak was the problem, so I restored and re-jailbroke using redsn01 and reinstalled winterboard and still noticed a big difference. So finally I decided to restore and jailbreak and do without winterboard.

Still have to do a little theming though

What theme do you have? I would love to have the 5 icons on the bottom

spamdumpster

Jul 8, 2009, 01:27 PM

What theme do you have? I would love to have the 5 icons on the bottom

No theme. I installed five icon dock (from cydia) and then manually changed the icons for the five apps in my dock to the icons from the Matte Nano theme (http://macthemes2.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=16793626). I also manually changed the dock, added a theme to weathericon, and changed a few of the system sounds. Thememing without Winterboard is a pain in the a$$, but, IMO, it's better than the slowdown from Winterboard.

WilliamG

Jul 8, 2009, 01:55 PM

I don't really recommend weathericon. If you install it, you're not uninstalling it! It still has the temperature it picked up from Weather app over the original temperature of 72 when you uninstall it. And if you want the themes for it, you have to install Winterboard. So, it ends up being a big processor/memory hog.

*sigh*

mavis

Jul 8, 2009, 04:52 PM

You know what annoys me? When someone's own personal experiences makes them think their word is god and holds true for everyone else.Please. You'd think I was basing this on a single observation. :rolleyes:

I've jailbroken every firmware since 1.1.1. Back in the Summberboard days, things were good - there may have been slowdown, but if there was, I certainly didn't notice it. That changed once the 3G was launched and 2.0 + WinterBoard hit the scene. I have jailbroken using PwnageTool numerous times. Every time, without exception, there was noticeable slowdown within a day or two. I have also jailbroken using QuickPwn, again, numerous times. Every time, without exception, there was noticeable slowdown within a day or two. When I sold my 3G two weeks ago, I installed 3.0 on it and used redsn0w to JB. Again, slowdown. Blatantly obvious slowdown. Now with my 3GS, 3.0 + purplera1n and once again? Yup.

Do you notice a recurring theme?

Numerous (as in innumerable, a multitude of, etc) jailbreaks using a variety of JB tools on a number of devices (I've jailbroken eight 3G's, two 1st gen iPod touches, three 2nd gen iPod touches, and now two 3GSs) and post-2.0 firmware, every single time, without exception, there has been quantifiable, blatantly obvious slowdown. EVERY TIME. So please don't sit there and act like my experience is a fluke, that I don't know what I'm talking about. I've probably had more experience jailbreaking than you and half of the people posting in this forum, combined. You may not like the facts, but the reality is that if you install MobileSubstrate and WinterBoard, your phone will be slower than if you don't install them. Period. It's not debatable, it doesn't vary from person to person. If you install MobileSubstrate and WinterBoard, your phone will be slower than if you don't install them. /thread

Snide

Jul 8, 2009, 04:55 PM

Dude, take one of these...

http://www.geocities.com/vibestothemax/chill_pill.jpg

mavis

Jul 8, 2009, 04:59 PM

Dude, take one of these...
Again, I'm perfectly calm. Just kinda tired of being told that I'm wrong about this when I most definitely am not.

Snide

Jul 8, 2009, 05:30 PM

Again, I'm perfectly calm. Just kinda tired of being told that I'm wrong about this when I most definitely am not.

Just yanking your chain. I happen to agree with you, but you seem especially passionate about it. ;)

mavis

Jul 8, 2009, 05:45 PM

Just yanking your chain. I happen to agree with you, but you seem especially passionate about it. ;)
hehe ... that comes from being told I don't have any idea what I'm talking about so many times ... ;)

I think I'm going to record a side-by-side comparison video and post it to YouTube. Leaving perception and opinion out of it entirely, I'd really like to prove once and for all that there IS slowdown, even on the mighty 3GS, when jailbroken. What do you think? MobileSubstrate + WinterBoard (with nothing actually enabled in WinterBoard) ought to do it, right?

Pared

Jul 8, 2009, 07:51 PM

Go for it. I'd love to see it.

Do it with themes that have:

Just wallpaper and dock

Wallpaper dock and icons

Wallpaper dock icons and UI

Would love to see this personally.

NT1440

Jul 8, 2009, 08:06 PM

hehe ... that comes from being told I don't have any idea what I'm talking about so many times ... ;)

Who in the hell told you you don't have a clue, we've both been at this since the beginning. I've noticed lag on friends devices, I've noticed lag on mine, it always comes down to a luck of the draw. Mine has been lag free since jailbreaking it three times ago. I'm just saying it CAN cause lag, it doesn't ALWAYS cause lag.

Opie

Jul 8, 2009, 09:08 PM

Who in the hell told you you don't have a clue, we've both been at this since the beginning. I've noticed lag on friends devices, I've noticed lag on mine, it always comes down to a luck of the draw. Mine has been lag free since jailbreaking it three times ago. I'm just saying it CAN cause lag, it doesn't ALWAYS cause lag.

Well said hombre.

hehe ... that comes from being told I don't have any idea what I'm talking about so many times ... ;)

I think I'm going to record a side-by-side comparison video and post it to YouTube. Leaving perception and opinion out of it entirely, I'd really like to prove once and for all that there IS slowdown, even on the mighty 3GS, when jailbroken. What do you think? MobileSubstrate + WinterBoard (with nothing actually enabled in WinterBoard) ought to do it, right?

I'm gonna do you a favor and do the video for you later tonight. I'll post the link just for you. The test will be using a 32g 3gs and a 16g 3gs. The 32g is jailbroken and the 16g is not.

hefeglass

Jul 8, 2009, 09:32 PM

mavis is seriously about to have a nervous breakdown..

...maybe this will send him over the edge...

I have personally compared my 3gs jailbroken to my other 3gs which was NOT jailbroken. both of them have the SAME EXACT content...using the same backed up info.

now..the jailbroken device took a couple seconds longer to startup...but the apps dont take ANY longer to start...animations are just as smooth and everything works as expected.
I am also showing 150mb+ free memory which is the same or even more than I have with the other 3gs.
I have put rolando 2, pandora, cool iris and tiger woods into the background and when going back into rolando 2, the animations and controls are just as good as when i run it on a non-jailbroken phone.

I know you are going to have another hissyfit yelling at me telling me that my phone IS slow and that I dont know what I am talking about...
whatever..i have them in front of my eyes right now and the jailbreak doesnt slow down the 3gs much if at all (only boots a little slower)

and if you dont install winterboard you wont see ANY slowdowns...

mavis, maybe you messed up your jb...ehe

^^mavis, just because yours is slow with the jb doesnt mean EVERYONES is....

mavis

Jul 8, 2009, 09:37 PM

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hehe ... that comes from being told I don't have any idea what I'm talking about so many times ... ;)

Who in the hell told you you don't have a clue, we've both been at this since the beginning. I've noticed lag on friends devices, I've noticed lag on mine, it always comes down to a luck of the draw. Mine has been lag free since jailbreaking it three times ago. I'm just saying it CAN cause lag, it doesn't ALWAYS cause lag.

Great. Post a video to YouTube showing your 'lag free' jailbroken phone next to a non-jailbroken iPhone because I would LOVE to see it.*

Here's how I plan on doing the test. I have to wait until 3.1 is officially released because I've already upgraded one of my 3GS's to the beta and I want the test to be as fair as possible.*

Anyway, my plan is to:

1. Backup the never-before-jailbroken 3GS.*

2. Put both phones into DFU mode and restore to 3.1.*

3. Restore both phones from the same backup, so they both have exactly the same data.*

4. Use redsn0w on one of the phones.*

5. Launch Cydia, and install SBSettings, WinterBoard, and MobileSubstrate. Oh, and OpenSSH. I assume this is a fairly standard jailbroken loadout. I will make sure that no themes are actually loaded in WB, just that it is installed. *

6. Open each of the following on both phones: YouTube, Photos, App Store, iTunes, Maps, Calendar, Contacts, and Safari and verify that all of them are the exact same view (list vs. month, Featured vs. Search, etc) on both phones.

7. Power off.*

8. Start the test. I guarantee you the non-jailbroken phone will win. I absolutely, unequivocally GUARANTEE IT. This is where you and I disagree. You claim that slowdowns CAN occur, but I know that it's not random and it's not luck of the draw. It WILL happen. In fact, I'd be willing to bet money that I'm right. ;)

9. After seeing the stock 3GS beat the jailbroken one, I'll launch WinterBoard to show that nothing is actually enabled, and I'll launch Cydia to show that nothing else (Notifier, etc) has been installed.*

I think this would be a fair test, and easily reproducable. For all your claims of a lag-free jailbreak, I'd LOVE to see proof. ;)

bruinsrme

Jul 8, 2009, 09:37 PM

I don't notice lag on the 3Gs. My 3G has noticable lag.

amanda1o1

Jul 8, 2009, 09:38 PM

yes it annually will get slower! i jailbroke my ipod touch 2g on 2.2.1 and it was sooo slow! it wouldnt even respond at times! once i had to let the battery die because it wouldnt let me unlock it! its because the iphone has ram in it and im pretty sure it cant handle the themes and all the programs at once. but on the 3GS i think it should be able to. also if you notice the more you download from cydia the less memory you will have DAH! but what i mean is i started with 7.01 GB on my factory settings touch and after the jailbreak and the downloads it went to 6.95GB :eek: so i'd keep it at factory settings for speed and i wouldnt want to void the warranty! but its ur choice ! best of luck :D :apple:

mavis

Jul 8, 2009, 09:39 PM

NT1440

Jul 8, 2009, 10:04 PM

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Great. Post a video to YouTube showing your 'lag free' jailbroken phone next to a non-jailbroken iPhone because I would LOVE to see it.*

Here's how I plan on doing the test. I have to wait until 3.1 is officially released because I've already upgraded one of my 3GS's to the beta and I want the test to be as fair as possible.*

Anyway, my plan is to:

1. Backup the never-before-jailbroken 3GS.*

2. Put both phones into DFU mode and restore to 3.1.*

3. Restore both phones from the same backup, so they both have exactly the same data.*

4. Use redsn0w on one of the phones.*

5. Launch Cydia, and install SBSettings, WinterBoard, and MobileSubstrate. Oh, and OpenSSH. I assume this is a fairly standard jailbroken loadout. I will make sure that no themes are actually loaded in WB, just that it is installed. *

6. Open each of the following on both phones: YouTube, Photos, App Store, iTunes, Maps, Calendar, Contacts, and Safari and verify that all of them are the exact same view (list vs. month, Featured vs. Search, etc) on both phones.

7. Power off.*

8. Start the test. I guarantee you the non-jailbroken phone will win. I absolutely, unequivocally GUARANTEE IT. This is where you and I disagree. You claim that slowdowns CAN occur, but I know that it's not random and it's not luck of the draw. It WILL happen. In fact, I'd be willing to bet money that I'm right. ;)

9. After seeing the stock 3GS beat the jailbroken one, I'll launch WinterBoard to show that nothing is actually enabled, and I'll launch Cydia to show that nothing else (Notifier, etc) has been installed.*

I think this would be a fair test, and easily reproducable. For all your claims of a lag-free jailbreak, I'd LOVE to see proof. ;)

I dont have an iphone, let alone two.

Like I said it appears to fully be luck of the draw, that test will prove nothing at all. But hey if you wanna just say your godly and right be my guest, my experiences just show to me that its not an exact science by any means.

mavis

Jul 8, 2009, 11:03 PM

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I dont have an iphone, let alone two.

Like I said it appears to fully be luck of the draw, that test will prove nothing at all. But hey if you wanna just say your godly and right be my guest, my experiences just show to me that its not an exact science by any means.

Wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're arguing with me about the performance of my two 3GS's in a thread specifically about the performance of the 3GS and yet you don't even have one? So in your opinion, conjecture trumps real-world, hands-on experience? That's interesting, and good to know. *

In any case, thanks for making me laugh, man. :)

nfl46

Jul 8, 2009, 11:09 PM

It has slowed down a little, but the 3GS is so fast, that I'm really not noticing it. Let's put it like this, before jailbreak it was 100% fast, post jailbreak, its 95% fast. It all depends on the apps you install, and I have backgrounder running in the background, etc. The 3GS is insanely fast though.

impulse462

Jul 8, 2009, 11:31 PM

I dont know why you guys are arguing, a stock iPhone 3GS versus a jailbroken iPhone 3GS..both will have the EXACT same speed because the jailbreak is based on an exploit.

HOWEVER, most jailbreak users install addons to mobilesubstrate which require it to be installed. The more of these addons (sbsettings, backgrounder, winterboard, etc..) the phone will be a TAD slower because the phone has to use the mobilesubstrate addons.

With the jailbreak, my 3GS was 2 seconds slower at boot (28secs vs 26 secs)
Since the 3GS's hardware components are completely redone (for the most part) however the latency is BARELY noticeable on the 3GS compared to the 3G..

Opie

Jul 9, 2009, 01:00 AM

Here you go Mavis. Best I could do. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543UnsSWuC8

meagain

Jul 9, 2009, 01:17 AM

Of course it is, what do you expect? :rolleyes:

Try comparing a jailbroken 3GS to a non-jailbroken 3GS. There is a VERY noticeable difference. Booting takes about 10 seconds longer. Apps take longer (not much longer, but still ...) to open. Animations aren't quite as smooth (again, not a HUGE difference, but it's there) ... I get so sick of people claiming that there's no slowdown whatsoever when the slowdown is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS when you're actually comparing two 3GS', side by side. I actually restored my phone to stock tonight because I really missed the snappiness of a stock 3GS, but I'm really tempted to jailbreak again to to prove, once and for all, that there is a slowdown when you jailbreak and run MobileSubstrate + WinterBoard. Just because you guys aren't observant enough to notice it doesn't mean it's not there.

I have two 3GS's here. One Jailbroken. Will test tomorrow evening.
So far I'm getting no difference after the JB that I can tell. I don't have Mobile Substrate loaded.

sparrky

Jul 9, 2009, 01:31 AM

Here you go Mavis. Best I could do. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543UnsSWuC8

Opie, FTW! :p

Thanks for that video. I'm sure it will be referenced many, many times in the many, many debates that will inevitably arise. I'll never understand why some people have such huge issues with jailbroken phones. You'd think they developed the OS themselves and are insulted that we wish to improve it. :rolleyes:

mstier09

Jul 9, 2009, 01:32 AM

Here you go Mavis. Best I could do. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543UnsSWuC8

Great comparison video! I gotta agree, after seeing them side by side I wouldn't consider the lag or slow-down reason not to jailbreak a 3GS, I probably wouldn't notice it at all!

"Stupid Compass..." Lol! :D

meagain

Jul 9, 2009, 01:41 AM

I question why people are pegging just jailbreaking on any perceived lag instead of any particular apps loaded.

Opie - Thanks. I expect to have the same results as you when I test ours tomorrow. Right now, my JB 3GS is working flawlessly.

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 01:43 AM

Here you go Mavis. Best I could do. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543UnsSWuC8
Dude, you rock!!!! :D

But I'm confused. I just paused it, but I'm already seeing exactly what I've been talking about. The jailbroken phone is slower. PERIOD. Notice when you open Settings at 1:20? Which one appears first? When you open Contacts? It's not a big difference (and I never said it was) but there is a difference. It's plain to see, in your own video.

sparrky

Jul 9, 2009, 01:46 AM

It's funny how mavis fails to mention that the jailbroken phone was faster opening web pages. PERIOD.

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 01:53 AM

It's funny how mavis fails to mention that the jailbroken phone was faster opening web pages. PERIOD.Network speed and/or server response is hardly something that one can easily control, is it? EVERY APP THAT WAS OPENED, OPENED FASTER ON THE NON-JAILBROKEN DEVICE. That's all I've been saying, all along. For example, my first post in this thread:

Noticeably slower? Yes. With MobileSubstrate and WinterBoard installed, my jailbroken 3GS is noticeably slower than my 'vanilla' 3GS. App launches, booting, etc.

That said, the slowdown isn't dramatic enough to make me want to lose themes, Notifier, and SBSettings.

Yup, Opie's video proved it. You'd have to be BLIND to not see that the non-jailbroken device was faster launching apps than the jailbroken one, just like I've been saying all along. Big difference? Nope - never said there was. But there IS a slowdown. ;)

mstier09

Jul 9, 2009, 01:54 AM

xilni

Jul 9, 2009, 01:55 AM

What if one were to manually change the icon and background image files via SSH or whatever? Wouldn't that allow theme modification (albeit very tiresome to setup) without all the added CPU load associated with Winterboard and company? Should you be able to add most of the things done with Winterboard manually?

Opie

Jul 9, 2009, 01:55 AM

Dude, you rock!!!! :D

But I'm confused. I just paused it, but I'm already seeing exactly what I've been talking about. The jailbroken phone is slower. PERIOD. Notice when you open Settings at 1:20? Which one appears first? When you open Contacts? It's not a big difference (and I never said it was) but there is a difference. It's plain to see, in your own video.

Oh young grasshopper did you miss the safari test or the stocks application? I believe it was 50/50 at least. Either way im staying Jailbroken till I cannot do it anymore. Also is a quarter of a second allows me to have my phone the way I like it then it is worth it to me. I would take a 10 second lag just to have SBsettings. Thats how long it would take to navigate through settings to turn bluetooth,3g and wifi on and off anyway.

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 02:00 AM

I don't really wanna get in the middle of this epic battle...

but Mavis you did say there would be blatantly obvious lag on a jailbroken 3GS, while you are correct that there is a slow down, unless they were side by side could you really say its obvious or blatant?

not that it actually matters to anyone what anyone else does to their iPhone though :D
Yes, you'd have to be blind to not see that the non-jailbroken device opened apps faster than the jailbroken one, EVERY TIME. It is blatantly obvious, is it not? :confused:

Oh young grasshopper did you miss the safari test or the stocks application? I believe it was 50/50 at least.As I've been saying all along, "App launches, booting, etc." ... Your video absolutely, beyond the shadow of a doubt, proved that statement to be true. There's no question, AT ALL. It's not a matter of perception (big slowdown, minor slowdown, etc), it's simply a fact: THERE IS A SLOWDOWN. It's not debatable. Apps open more slowly on your jailbroken phone than on your 'vanilla' phone. PERIOD. If you don't believe me, just go watch your video again. ;)

Opie

Jul 9, 2009, 02:03 AM

As I've been saying all along, "App launches, booting, etc." ... Your video absolutely, beyond the shadow of a doubt, proved that statement to be true. There's no question, AT ALL. It's not a matter of perception (big slowdown, minor slowdown, etc), it's simply a fact: THERE IS A SLOWDOWN. It's not debatable. Apps open more slowly on your jailbroken phone than on your 'vanilla' phone. PERIOD. If you don't believe me, just go watch your video again. ;)

I like you dude. Id drink a beer with you if I lived in Japan.

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 02:04 AM

I like you dude. Id drink a beer with you if I lived in Japan.
And the first round would be on me, man. :)

Opie

Jul 9, 2009, 02:06 AM

And the first round would be on me, man. :)

If you are ever in Shreveport,LA you look me up pal. Be safe overseas. Also it was 50/50. :D

guitar.jake

Jul 9, 2009, 02:23 AM

MAVIS,

You got schooled!!

LMFAO

Jake

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 02:38 AM

MAVIS,

You got schooled!!

LMFAO

Jake
You must be talking about a different video, because the one Opie posted proved my point perfectly. :confused:

hefeglass

Jul 9, 2009, 02:46 AM

the iphone is obviously going to have a tiny bit of slowdown if you load it up with jailbreak stuff...but it will NOT be anything noticeable..

mavis..you do know that you can downgrade your phone back to 3.0...right?

and then you should use PURPLERA1N.....NOT redsn0w..

something i find really interesting..i compared my jailbroken 3gs running winterboard, sbsettings, irealquicksms, backgrounder...after a fresh boot it had 153.36mb of memory free...vs the nonjailbroken 3gs (same content, same backup) which only had 132.21 available after a fresh boot..
you would think that the jailbroken phone would have less memory available.

another thing i noticed..after jailbreaking with purplera1n and adding nothing ..the phone actually seemed a bit snappier than a stock 3gs.

bottom line..the 3gs has plenty of resources which makes it the perfect phone for jailbreaking.
i am currently in posession of my dream phone...it does everything i could possibly want..EVERYTHING. and it does it all instantly.

yes mavis...INSTANTLY!

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 02:48 AM

If you are ever in Shreveport,LA you look me up pal. Be safe overseas.Will do, man.

Also it was 50/50. :D50/50, my ***!! ;)

Seriously, that little split-second delay when opening apps, I notice it. And it bugs me!! In particular, the Settings app.

Here in Japan, the carrier select field (?) shows up in the top section of the settings list. What that does is push everything below it down, one row. Unfortunately it pushes the Mail, Contacts, Calendars button off the screen. For various reasons, I frequently enable/disable certain mail accounts, and having to wait for the Settings app to load is kind of irritating. Looking at your YouTube video, it appears that it wouldn't even be an issue if I lived in the States, but here in Japan, the layout is a little different. See below:

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/anal.png

So yeah - what you (and probably most people) consider a minor, insignificant slowdown is actually kind of irritating to me, because of the fact that I notice it several times a day. It's one of the first things I look for whenever I jailbreak, and the increased loading time is an annoyance. I like the fact that on a stock 3GS, as soon as I launch the settings app I can immediately scroll down to the Mail menu. On a jailbroken 3GS, I have to wait.

Again, not a big slowdown - but a slowdown nonetheless. To me (and the way I use my phone) it's very obvious - in fact, it's one of the very first things I noticed after JBing. That's all I've been saying, all along.

hefeglass

Jul 9, 2009, 02:53 AM

actually i just compared settings on both phones the jailbreak one opens the same...exactly.
have you messed with your carrier files?

i had alot of problems with a jailbroken 3g that was laggy as hell...especially opening the settings app. it had to do with a differe carrier file that I used...when i changed it back it was fine...

3gbuff

Jul 9, 2009, 03:04 AM

my jailbroken 3G lagged pretty bad on 3.0. My jailbroken 3GS is much faster and im running many apps on it. I havent seen any lag yet...

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 03:15 AM

actually i just compared settings on both phones the jailbreak one opens the same...exactly.
have you messed with your carrier files?
Nope, never. I dunno ... I guess I'll give it a shot again - I've got free time tonight, so what the heck. Maybe I'll skip WinterBoard this time and see if that helps ...

Kahnyl

Jul 9, 2009, 03:32 AM

I think you're using "perceptively" wrong.

Maybe. I can't perceive any difference is what I meant.

Day three, and I'm still impressed with the jailbreak. Usually I'd restore to stick within 24 hours because of the hassle it causes. I had to uninstall SBsettings though as I think it was interfering with scroll. I could "grab" the pages as much as usual. Has anyone else noticed that?

hard-case

Jul 9, 2009, 06:42 AM

Honestly, on my 3GS (Winterboard w/custom theme, SBSettings, LockScreen info), the only time I have any really appreciable slowdown is if I turn on Dim Icons.....so I don't do that.

fuzion11

Jul 9, 2009, 09:54 AM

I JB my 3GS yesterday using the dev team break and noticed a HUGE slow down.

I installed background, haptic feedback, sbsettings and MIM.

I opened contacts and it almost took 4-5 seconds for me to be able to scroll down or up my list.

Needless to say, I've gone back to the straight and narrow!

impulse462

Jul 9, 2009, 10:00 AM

Pretty sure mobilesubstrate is causing the "slowdowns" if you even want to call them that, not the fact that the phone is jailbroken.

meagain

Jul 9, 2009, 10:58 AM

I agree. I 'thought' I had issues with backgrounder also?

I installed:

SBSettings (godsend)
Make it Mine
Winterboard & custom, etc. themes I made. I SSh'd them in.
5-Icon dock
AppSync
iBlank

Does having SSH open cause a slow-down? Mine is off. Just wondering.

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 11:05 AM

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I JB my 3GS yesterday using the dev team break and noticed a HUGE slow down.

I installed background, haptic feedback, sbsettings and MIM.

I opened contacts and it almost took 4-5 seconds for me to be able to scroll down or up my list.

Needless to say, I've gone back to the straight and narrow!

Have you tried purplera1n? That's the method I used and my slowdown is minimal.

fuzion11

Jul 9, 2009, 11:11 AM

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Have you tried purplera1n? That's the method I used and my slowdown is minimal.

From what I have read it doesn't make any difference which method you use to JB.

I think it may have been the program haptic feedback....when I shut it off, the speed was a little better...but still slower than usual.

Besides Sbsettings and backgrounder I don't really see the need to JB anymore. I only used BG to listen to the radio while doing other things.

But SbSettings.....nothing compares to that app...nothing! I miss that one the most.

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 11:20 AM

From what I have read it doesn't make any difference which method you use to JB.

I think it may have been the program haptic feedback....when I shut it off, the speed was a little better...but still slower than usual.

Besides Sbsettings and backgrounder I don't really see the need to JB anymore. I only used BG to listen to the radio while doing other things.

But SbSettings.....nothing compares to that app...nothing! I miss that one the most.

See, I still think there are plenty of reasons to JB. Here are mine:

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/my_jb.png

Custom carrier text, Notifier, WinterBoard (lite version; springboard only, with in-app mods done manually), Scrobbl (the new one), and not pictured: SBSettings and VOIPOver3G (whenever they update it to work with the 3GS) ... So, yeah. Plenty of reasons left to JB, in my opinion.

fuzion11

Jul 9, 2009, 11:23 AM

See, I still think there are plenty of reasons to JB. Here are mine:

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/my_jb.png

Custom carrier text, Notifier, WinterBoard (lite version; springboard only, with in-app mods done manually), Scrobble, and not pictured: SBSettings and VOIPOver3G (whenever they update it to work with the 3GS) ... So, yeah. Plenty of reasons left to JB, in my opinion.

I really like the looks of your home screen...

I think it's so tacky when people change the look of the iphone to a degree where it's completly un-apple.

But to each its own!

Diane2boys

Jul 9, 2009, 11:46 AM

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vince24L

Jul 9, 2009, 12:08 PM

MARVIS: whered you get the black background dock area? Available in cydia or where can it be found. I appreciate a response. Couldnt find a way of contacting you so posting it here. Thanks ahead of time.

meagain

Jul 9, 2009, 12:15 PM

That's a pretty dock. Wonder if there's a 5-Icon version????

onthgreen

Jul 9, 2009, 12:33 PM

Kahnyl

Jul 9, 2009, 01:21 PM

Yeah MARVIS(!), I'm gonna need to know where you got the Weather and Contacts icons. You may have just pushed me to install Winterboard again.

I also admire your restraint when it comes to theming.

ialok

Jul 9, 2009, 01:22 PM

Quick Question: Does SBsettings use MobileSubstrate?

and thanks a lot Opie for the video! :D
Do you know if I had a complete themes (different icons), would it be even slower? Since you only had userwallpaper and not a theme (like vista maximus perfection or iglassol?)

Kahnyl

Jul 9, 2009, 01:24 PM

Quick Question: Does SBsettings use MobileSubstrate

Yeah.

ialok

Jul 9, 2009, 01:30 PM

Yeah.

Dang....if I got a 3GS I was going to jailbreak just for SBsettings :(, so I wouldn't slow it down

spamdumpster

Jul 9, 2009, 01:30 PM

Can you tell me what theme this is?

Thanks!

All of the icons are stock, except the dock icons and dock, which are from Matte Nano. I also manually added all of the files for WeatherIcon files to springboard.app so I could theme Weathericon without Winterboard.

vince24L

Jul 9, 2009, 02:04 PM

Are there any dock shelfs/backgrounds to be had on cydia? I love both of the last two posted. Anyone?

bytethese

Jul 9, 2009, 02:08 PM

I can say that I am rather surprised. I jailbroke my 3GS last night and there's no perceived slowdown at all. My 3G seemed a touch slow on certain transitions, etc. I installed Mobile Substrate and Winterboard but I applied my own created theme that changes Wallpaper, a few sounds, sliders and removes the dock background. Apps (in my observation on my device) open the same as they did when unjailbroken. Boot time seems the same as well. I'm pleasantly surprised there's no noticeable slowness, even tho the slowness on my "old" 3G was minimal at best.

zander271

Jul 9, 2009, 03:27 PM

Please. You'd think I was basing this on a single observation. :rolleyes:

I've jailbroken every firmware since 1.1.1. Back in the Summberboard days, things were good - there may have been slowdown, but if there was, I certainly didn't notice it. That changed once the 3G was launched and 2.0 + WinterBoard hit the scene. I have jailbroken using PwnageTool numerous times. Every time, without exception, there was noticeable slowdown within a day or two. I have also jailbroken using QuickPwn, again, numerous times. Every time, without exception, there was noticeable slowdown within a day or two. When I sold my 3G two weeks ago, I installed 3.0 on it and used redsn0w to JB. Again, slowdown. Blatantly obvious slowdown. Now with my 3GS, 3.0 + purplera1n and once again? Yup.

Do you notice a recurring theme?

Numerous (as in innumerable, a multitude of, etc) jailbreaks using a variety of JB tools on a number of devices (I've jailbroken eight 3G's, two 1st gen iPod touches, three 2nd gen iPod touches, and now two 3GSs) and post-2.0 firmware, every single time, without exception, there has been quantifiable, blatantly obvious slowdown. EVERY TIME. So please don't sit there and act like my experience is a fluke, that I don't know what I'm talking about. I've probably had more experience jailbreaking than you and half of the people posting in this forum, combined. You may not like the facts, but the reality is that if you install MobileSubstrate and WinterBoard, your phone will be slower than if you don't install them. Period. It's not debatable, it doesn't vary from person to person. If you install MobileSubstrate and WinterBoard, your phone will be slower than if you don't install them. /thread

First off bragging about Jailbreaking experience? Jailbreaking has been pretty cake for a long time now, I'm pretty sure a monkey could do it at this point.

Second, of course if you have a ton of crap running in the background your iPhone will be slowed down. That same applies to all computers. Winterboard itself does not slow down the Iphone, it’s down to the theme you are using from what I have experienced. Mobile Substrate I have never run, but knowing that it runs in the background and what it is used for would sense as to slowing down your phone a bit. I think at this point people can use common sense and figure things out. This horse has been beat to death.

ialok

Jul 9, 2009, 05:21 PM

hmmmm....well on my jailbroken iPod Touch 2G, I'm running the Alit theme, SBsettings/winterboard both installed, and I compared the speed to my dad's 'vanilla' iPhone 3G (not jailbroken) , and surprisingly, my dad's iPhone 3G is actually [B]faster than my iPod Touch 2G :eek:, yet is has a slower processor than my iPod, very surprising....w/e I still love my jailbroken iPod :D

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 06:21 PM

First off bragging about Jailbreaking experience?Nope. Try again (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/context).

Are there any dock shelfs/backgrounds to be had on cydia? I love both of the last two posted. Anyone?

I don't know of any on Cydia; I always just make my own. This is the one I made last night (and posted in that screenshot):

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/classica2/Dock_r.png

and without the reflections ;)

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/classica2/Dock.png

spamdumpster

Jul 9, 2009, 09:00 PM

First off bragging about Jailbreaking experience? Jailbreaking has been pretty cake for a long time now, I'm pretty sure a monkey could do it at this point.

Second, of course if you have a ton of crap running in the background your iPhone will be slowed down. That same applies to all computers. Winterboard itself does not slow down the Iphone, it’s down to the theme you are using from what I have experienced. Mobile Substrate I have never run, but knowing that it runs in the background and what it is used for would sense as to slowing down your phone a bit. I think at this point people can use common sense and figure things out. This horse has been beat to death.

Winterboard is a mobile substrate extension. So your statement that "Winterboard itself does not slow down the Iphone" is inconsistent with your statement that "Mobile Substrate I have never run, but knowing that it runs in the background and what it is used for would sense as to slowing down your phone a bit."

spamdumpster

Jul 9, 2009, 09:01 PM

Are there any dock shelfs/backgrounds to be had on cydia? I love both of the last two posted. Anyone?

Install reflective dock in Cydia from david.ashman.com/apt and you'll get dock reflections.

NT1440

Jul 9, 2009, 09:04 PM

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Wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're arguing with me about the performance of my two 3GS's in a thread specifically about the performance of the 3GS and yet you don't even have one? So in your opinion, conjecture trumps real-world, hands-on experience? That's interesting, and good to know. *

In any case, thanks for making me laugh, man. :)
If you've read my posts I've been talking about jailbreaking in general, as you have too seeing as you've mentioned 1.X Firmwares. The only difference in jailbreaking the 3gs vs other idevices is that it will run faster than on the other devices simply because the phone is faster.

Lag issues are purely luck of the draw, not a definite outcome everytime as you state.

mavis

Jul 9, 2009, 09:28 PM

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First off bragging about Jailbreaking experience? Jailbreaking has been pretty cake for a long time now, I'm pretty sure a monkey could do it at this point.

Second, of course if you have a ton of crap running in the background your iPhone will be slowed down. That same applies to all computers. Winterboard itself does not slow down the Iphone, it’s down to the theme you are using from what I have experienced. Mobile Substrate I have never run, but knowing that it runs in the background and what it is used for would sense as to slowing down your phone a bit. I think at this point people can use common sense and figure things out. This horse has been beat to death.

Winterboard is a mobile substrate extension. So your statement that "Winterboard itself does not slow down the Iphone" is inconsistent with your statement that "Mobile Substrate I have never run, but knowing that it runs in the background and what it is used for would sense as to slowing down your phone a bit."

There seems to be quite a bit of confusion in this thread. First there are claims that WinterBoard's
slowdowns have been observed firsthand on an iPhone that has never had MobileSubstrate installed, and then there are claims that the slowdowns are purely the result of bad luck, and nothing else. Just luck of the draw. :rolleyes:

I think the only real, factual post has been Opie's YouTube video, which shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that the jailbroken iPhone running WB is marginally slower launching apps than the 'vanilla' one. Which, incidentally, is what I've been saying all along.

vince24L

Jul 9, 2009, 09:54 PM

Install reflective dock in Cydia from david.ashman.com/apt and you'll get dock reflections.

I know that I was looking for a dock shelf or background or whatever you want to call it. That is on cydia.

Nickel Dime Bay

Jul 9, 2009, 10:07 PM

Havent had any slow down on my JB 3GS :)

chris3g

Jul 9, 2009, 10:47 PM

i agree that you can see the slowdown in the video, although it is only a small fraction of a second. What would be interesting to see, is how much that slowdown increases or decreases by adding and removing various common jailbreak apps + plugins. Is a jailbroken phone in mobilesubstrate safe-mode identical in speed to a stock 3GS? What about when you start applying winterboard themes, or adding more mobilesubstrate addons?

Maybe pick one app, where the difference is most notable, and try a few different scenarios. I would do it but i only have 1 iPhone 3GS :o

chris3g

Jul 9, 2009, 10:47 PM

Nope. Try again (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/context).

I don't know of any on Cydia; I always just make my own. This is the one I made last night (and posted in that screenshot):

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/classica2/Dock_r.png

and without the reflections ;)

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/classica2/Dock.png

Can you post the background from your screenshot please?

MACoconut

Jul 10, 2009, 04:06 AM

fuzion11

Jul 10, 2009, 09:28 AM

Should I JB the 3GS with dev team/purplera1n?

I heard that purplera1n has many loopholes/problems? Is that true?

Dev. team's JB will lag the phone more than purplera1n? Why is that so? :eek::confused:

I don't know, but I can't wait to hear the answer to your question. I was thinking the same thing.

impulse462

Jul 10, 2009, 10:01 AM

I don't know, but I can't wait to hear the answer to your question. I was thinking the same thing.

purplerain and redsnow both work fine..purplerain rc1 had problems but geohot updated those

jolleyjoe

Jul 17, 2009, 12:28 PM

Should I JB the 3GS with dev team/purplera1n?

I heard that purplera1n has many loopholes/problems? Is that true?

Dev. team's JB will lag the phone more than purplera1n? Why is that so? :eek::confused:

Someone answer these questions! :)

Why did the discussion stop? It was very entertaining/informative to read all the previous posts... healthy debate and even a youtube video, I want more! :o

darngooddesign

Jul 17, 2009, 12:35 PM

If you don't notice the slowdown then does it really matter?

One of the main reasons I got the GS was that it could power through any MS related slowdowns.

yamaduc

Jul 17, 2009, 03:10 PM

I noticed a slow down too.
3GS 16GB.

Winterboard and a bunch of other stuff installed.

My space bar doesn't work very well when using TwitterFon.

sushi

Aug 27, 2009, 05:32 AM

Here you go Mavis. Best I could do. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543UnsSWuC8
Nice video.

However, when doing comparisons, both devices need to be set up the same. Aside from comparing a 16GB to a 32GB model, there are some other issues that could affect the results of your test:

a. Different apps are loaded on each iPhone. Additionally apps like Photos have a different number of photos.

b. Apps used to test in different dock locations which can affect the outcome.

Any differences in the set up will affect the outcome. To do a speed test each device needs to be set up exactly the same.

Nonetheless, thanks for the video.

mavis

Aug 27, 2009, 07:08 AM

Nice video.

However, when doing comparisons, both devices need to be set up the same. Aside from comparing a 16GB to a 32GB model, there are some other issues that could affect the results of your test:

a. Different apps are loaded on each iPhone. Additionally apps like Photos have a different number of photos.

b. Apps used to test in different dock locations which can affect the outcome.

Any differences in the set up will affect the outcome. To do a speed test each device needs to be set up exactly the same.

Nonetheless, thanks for the video.Agreed. It should be done with both iPhone restored from the same iTunes restore, with all the same apps and data on each one. I'd do it myself, but I don't think my wife would be too thrilled about me messing around with her iPhone all day. :)

Gix1k

Aug 27, 2009, 08:18 AM

Mine isn't..I didnt install Winterboard.

sushi

Aug 27, 2009, 08:21 AM

I'd do it myself, but I don't think my wife would be too thrilled about me messing around with her iPhone all day. :)
Rule #1:

Always keep the spousal unit happy. :D

RobT

Aug 27, 2009, 08:22 AM

Install reflective dock in Cydia from david.ashman.com/apt and you'll get dock reflections.

Or, another option (similar,but a little different) is to install Shiny Dock from this source.

http://c.ifon1.no/

No Winterboard required for this dock adjustment.

RobT

Aug 27, 2009, 08:27 AM

Regarding speed, I've noticed more slowdown on a jailbroken phone with Winterboard installed when loading and exiting big apps (like games).

A test similar to:

1. Run Real Racing (or a large game like this)
2. Play for a minute or two
3. Exit Real Racing

Which phone is quicker? My guess is the jailbroken phone will struggle more with this. May not be enough to be bothersome, but I suspect it would be slower. Just sayin'

mavis

Aug 27, 2009, 09:26 AM

Rule #1:

Always keep the spousal unit happy. :D
Words of wisdom, there. ;)

Which phone is quicker? My guess is the jailbroken phone will struggle more with this. May not be enough to be bothersome, but I suspect it would be slower. Just sayin'Yeah, my phone seems to be more noticeably slower than my wife's these days, it's almost as though it has slowed down a bit since I first jailbroke over a month ago. The slowdown isn't enough to dissuade me from jailbreaking, but it is there and it's very obvious when comparing the two phones side-by-side.