Next Generation 3,1 iPod Model Detected in Logs

[MacRumors]

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PinchMedia announced (http://www.pinchmedia.com/blog/ipod-31/) that they had started detecting the "iPod 3,1" version number in their analytics reporting from App Store applications. The details are as follows:- the first time an application using Pinch Analytics was run by a ‘iPod3,1′ device occurred in late April 2009;
- applications using Pinch Analytics were run by ‘iPod 3,1′ devices very infrequently until late May 2009, when the pace picked up slightly;
- As of this date, a few dozen distinct ‘iPod 3,1′ devices have run around two dozen different applications using Pinch Analytics;
- The applications being run on ‘iPod 3,1′ devices have all been the larger, more popular applications using Pinch Analytics, with hundreds of thousands to millions of unique users– other than their size, the applications have little else in common.This is not the first time we've heard of the "iPod 3,1" which is believed to represent the next generation iPod Touch. Previous references (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/23/ipod31-references-in-iphone-os-3-0-point-to-ipod-touch-refresh/) to the model have been detected in the 3.0 firmware. The currently shipping iPod touch has a model number of "2,1".

The most recent rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/06/cameras-ordered-for-ipod-touch-another-case-design/) have placed a camera in this 3rd generation iPod Touch which is expected to be released in September.

Article Link: Next Generation 3,1 iPod Model Detected in Logs (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/08/next-generation-31-ipod-model-detected-in-logs/)

[angemon89]

storage up to 64GB!!

[Aldaris]

64 Gb, Camera Video, Voice Control iPod, that'd be enough to last me until my AT&T contract is up, along with Apple and AT&T's too!

Heres a glass to happier times!:cool:

Addition: Plus the last iPod touch had a faster cpu than the 3G and headphone/earphone controls, I wonder what this will have above the 3GS?

iPod touch"S" anyone? lol

[Nodnarb]

I hope so. If it does happen to be 64GB, I hope they implement that storage into the next iPhone.

[oyebto]

hopefully faster processors and hd recording.

[mikes70mustang]

and it will do your laundry and dishes too

[angemon89]

I hope so. If it does happen to be 64GB, I hope they implement that storage into the next iPhone.Sounds expensive. I don't know if single 64gb flash chips exist yet, do they?

[queshy]

It is very clear iPod month is September. Schiller said it himself once, I believe.

There really is nothing 'revolutionary' at this point that can be done to any iPod in my opinion.

I suspect price drops, more storage, and maybe one "new" feature that they will try to sell you.

I hope they don't abandon the click wheel anytime soon, though.

Also, I believe the iPod shuffle will be refreshed. People don't seem to like the new one.

[sammich]

Sounds expensive. I don't know if single 64gb flash chips exist yet, do they?

I don't think so. The iPod Touch has 2 spots for flash chips, which means 2x32 GB chips. The iPhone has 1 spot, hence 32 GB max.

[jav6454]

It is very clear iPod month is September. Schiller said it himself once, I believe.

There really is nothing 'revolutionary' at this point that can be done to any iPod in my opinion.

I suspect price drops, more storage, and maybe one "new" feature that they will try to sell you.

I hope they don't abandon the click wheel anytime soon, though.

Also, I believe the iPod shuffle will be refreshed. People don't seem to like the new one.

Storage is a given.

Yes I agree, not much can be added to iPods now can it? Apple has reached like a limit of what to add. I mean, they can add a camera, but, I can see that happening only on the iPod Touch.

The click wheel will still be with us as long as the iPod Classic is here. As per the Shuffle, I reserve my judgement.

[na1577]

I expected that iPod3,1 would have been released after iPhone 3,1? What happened to iPod2,2?

[djgamble]

I hope it's a little faster than the iPhone 3GS, has a GPS/compass built-in and has the option of a 3G internet card (so that you can use the internet with it, but not make phone calls.)

I do a lot of geocaching with my current iPod Touch (it has an iGPS 360)... basically for me my iPod Touch does 3 things:
1) Play emulators (GBA and NES mainly)
2) Play music
3) Helps out with geocaching

[Thex1138]

Maybe 64 Gb, Camera Video, Voice Control iPod, Compass.... OLED screen.

We might get a speaker at both ends of the device as well....and a bit of a re-design... perhaps that bezel that was sprouted from that HK parts vendor..

I might think that the CPU would no longer be throttled back from 833mhz to 600mhz like the current 3Gs currently is.

If the combination of 833mhz, 64gb, full bandwidth for video recording... and a faster gaming platform... woooh ! :rolleyes:

Oh yes, just call it the iTouch...and it also comes in 10" version...

Bring it on!... Please :apple:

[queshy]

Storage is a given.

Yes I agree, not much can be added to iPods now can it? Apple has reached like a limit of what to add. I mean, they can add a camera, but, I can see that happening only on the iPod Touch.

The click wheel will still be with us as long as the iPod Classic is here. As per the Shuffle, I reserve my judgement.

I hope you're right about the classic. It really is just that: a classic. The touch interface is amazing, but the wheel was just perfect for a high capacity iPod.

With respect to the touch, I can see them adding in a camera, I guess.

The problem isn't really the lack of a revolution but rather market saturation . Almost everyone has an iPod already, so it's getting harder and harder to get people to get a "new" iPod. They have to try and create a new need/want, and it's hard these days, especially given the state of the economy. If you already own a 1st gen touch, why upgrade to the 2nd gen? A slightly thinner design, a speaker, etc. are small features and many people wouldn't see the value in doing so.

Even with the iPhone, the same thing applies. I already have a 3G, and although the 3Gs adds cool new features, it just wasn't enough for me to upgrade.

[Ademius]

The problem isn't really the lack of a revolution but rather market saturation . Almost everyone has an iPod already, so it's getting harder and harder to get people to get a "new" iPod. They have to try and create a new need/want, and it's hard these days, especially given the state of the economy. If you already own a 1st gen touch, why upgrade to the 2nd gen? A slightly thinner design, a speaker, etc. are small features and many people wouldn't see the value in doing so.

Even with the iPhone, the same thing applies. I already have a 3G, and although the 3Gs adds cool new features, it just wasn't enough for me to upgrade.

I don't think most people would upgrade their PMPs each year even if the upgrade was bigger. Sure, some people like to have the latest and greatest, but for most, just having a PMP doing what you want - and doing it well is enough. Cost, of course also comes into consideration. It may be hard to justify an upgrade each year, even if one easily can afford it.

Also, I don't think Apple really expects people to upgrade every year. More likely, they plan for people skipping generations. (e.g. iPhone -> iPhone 3GS). The point beeing that over time, the willingness to upgrade becomes greater.

I'm also skipping 3GS because I have the 3G-version and really can't justify an upgrade at this time.:)

[DELLsFan]

hopefully faster processors and hd recording.

You can count on the former. You can wish for the latter. :cool:

[philbutler]

I am crossing my fingers that Apple will have a iPod touch that's basically exactly like the iPhone (GPS, compass, camera, video, AT&T data) but without the voice. It would also maybe have more capacity (64 gig ??). I would pay $30 or so per month to get a data-only plan, GPS maps, etc.

I'd even kick in an extra $10/mo for tethering capability for when my 'touch's screen just wasn't big enough.

One thought - instead of true tethering, what about a remote control app for a laptop that would remote control (i.e. VNC) a touch/iphone that had a bigger virtual screen.

[TripHop]

I hope so. If it does happen to be 64GB, I hope they implement that storage into the next iPhone.

Sounds expensive. I don't know if single 64gb flash chips exist yet, do they?

I don't think so. The iPod Touch has 2 spots for flash chips, which means 2x32 GB chips. The iPhone has 1 spot, hence 32 GB max.Zactly. So the doubling of each devices capacity is hopfully an annual event. They can never have enough capacity for me.

[wizard]

It is very clear iPod month is September. Schiller said it himself once, I believe.

Yes I believe that is the case! But nothing is written in stone here. Apple has also stated that they want releases of products when they are ready thus no more Mac World.


There really is nothing 'revolutionary' at this point that can be done to any iPod in my opinion.

Gee what a party pooper. I don't know what to think when I see statements like this, it makes me think people lack imagination. IPods are an on going revolution of their very own.


I suspect price drops, more storage, and maybe one "new" feature that they will try to sell you.

Price drops are a possibility given the underlying parts costs change but I don't see that as a primary goal of a completely new device Rather I see the energance of a whole new Touch device to march along side the current form factor Touch.

One new feature though is out of the question, I expect many new features.

I hope they don't abandon the click wheel anytime soon, though.

I'm expecting one or more hybrid designs.

Also, I believe the iPod shuffle will be refreshed. People don't seem to like the new one.

You don't like it but in general sales seem to be brisk. For active people it almost the ideal iPod. Personally I like the iPod Touch/ iPhone devices my self but I don't let that get in the way of realizing they aren't for everybody. My personal slant here is that Shuffle should be made in the forn of a USB dongle, but even that is likely to generate objections.

Of course the hard thing here is knowing exactly what Apples sales are like. Given that I've seen nothing to indicate tanking sales.

Dave

[paulyras]

Sooo.... are any of the apps ones that use cameras as part of their core functionality?

[javaJake]

Gee what a party pooper. I don't know what to think when I see statements like this, it makes me think people lack imagination. IPods are an on going revolution of their very own.Not revolution, but evolution. A revolution is when the iPod Touch came out. An evolution is when the third-gen iPod Touch comes out later this year.

I think Apple understands that people won't upgrade as often as they release new generations. Wasn't it "only" supposed to be every two years or something?

[Eidorian]

Everything but the phone now in the Touch? :rolleyes:

[likemyorbs]

Wasn't it "only" supposed to be every two years or something?

i dont remember anyone saying it was only supposed to be every 2 years. but i see your "only" is sarcastic and 2 years is a VERY long time, i probably wouldnt even want one if they updated every 2 years. i think once a year is totally fair.

[likemyorbs]

and also who in their right minds rates these things negative?

[bbtrinet]

It's also possible that Apple is ready to release a new iPhone AND a new iPod with a different form factor around Christmas. Same software, just better camera specs and a different form factor.

It makes sense with the naming. iPhone 3Gs was just a minor improvement to the 3G get something out of the door a year later. If Apple didn't release anything at WWDC 2009, Apple stock would have plummeted. They had to release something.

Boy, that would piss off people who bought the 3Gs!

[likemyorbs]

It's also possible that Apple is ready to release a new iPhone AND a new iPod with a different form factor around Christmas. Same software, just better camera specs and a different form factor.

It makes sense with the naming. iPhone 3Gs was just a minor improvement to the 3G get something out of the door a year later. If Apple didn't release anything at WWDC 2009, Apple stock would have plummeted. They had to release something.

Boy, that would piss off people who bought the 3Gs!
I have major doubts they would release a new iPhone so soon

[WLS]

Not revolution, but evolution. A revolution is when the iPod Touch came out. An evolution is when the third-gen iPod Touch comes out later this year.

I think Apple understands that people won't upgrade as often as they release new generations. Wasn't it "only" supposed to be every two years or something?
Yes there is nothing revolutionary in the touch line now or in the future, a camera maybe but that is a fairly minor improvement and nothing to make me want to get rid of my gen1 touch, Now an ipad type device with a larger screen and aimed at internet access and game playing would be revolutionary and would have me opening up my wallet to get. I think Apple knows this.
I think it's coming just when is the question.

[Jimmy James]

They're going to update the ipod touch? I didn't see this coming...

[wardev]

I hope so. If it does happen to be 64GB, I hope they implement that storage into the next iPhone.

they already have

[twoodcc]

yeah, i hope the camera makes its way into the next ipod touch

[iAlexG]

More storage and a camera sounds nice but not enough for me too upgrade.

[Evangelion]

Maybe 64 Gb, Camera Video, Voice Control iPod, Compass.... OLED screen.

We might get a speaker at both ends of the device as well....and a bit of a re-design... perhaps that bezel that was sprouted from that HK parts vendor..


it will have the same screen as the iPhone does, so no OLED. And two speakers? What for? That would be waste of money and space. On what are you basing that guess on?

It's always funny to see people list their favourite dream-features as the "likely upgrades" for the next version. I would like to get gps, but I don't think that's likely.

[Just-A-Nooby]

I have major doubts they would release a new iPhone so soon

well i think they might.... if all the investigations bout Phone exclusitiity blow over and AT&T's contract of exclusitivity expires and apple goes to Verizon for example, then i think Apple will have a new desighn to draw in people from Verizon to get the iphone..... and i shure as helllzz know i will if this happens!

[Thex1138]

It's always funny to see people list their favourite dream-features as the "likely upgrades" for the next version. I would like to get gps, but I don't think that's likely.

...and always entertaining to see one ambient guess responded by another :D

[winterspan]

I might think that the CPU would no longer be throttled back from 833mhz to 600mhz like the current 3Gs currently is.


IMO, that would be a mistake. Developers already have to profile games for the slow iPhone 3G, faster Touch v2, and fastest iPhone 3GS. Adding another performance optimization level would be silly, even if battery life is less of an issue.

Additionally, I am upgrading from a Touchv1 to a 3GS, and I want the fastest app processing and gameplay on any device!

[queshy]

I don't think most people would upgrade their PMPs each year even if the upgrade was bigger. Sure, some people like to have the latest and greatest, but for most, just having a PMP doing what you want - and doing it well is enough. Cost, of course also comes into consideration. It may be hard to justify an upgrade each year, even if one easily can afford it.

Also, I don't think Apple really expects people to upgrade every year. More likely, they plan for people skipping generations. (e.g. iPhone -> iPhone 3GS). The point beeing that over time, the willingness to upgrade becomes greater.

I'm also skipping 3GS because I have the 3G-version and really can't justify an upgrade at this time.:)

Apple doesn't expect people to upgrade every year, but that's their goal. In fact, tons of people who had the 3G now have a 3Gs. The bottom line is that if you already OWN an iPod/iPhone you're less likely to purchase another iPod/iPhone than some other person who does NOT currently own an iPod/iPhone. Apple has already achieved most of the latter market, and they need to focus on the former - getting people who already own these devices to buy new ones. They need to create a new "need" somehow, and it's getting harder for them to keep making things revolutionary.

For example, if you had a 3 or 4G iPod, it was very easy to get people to upgrade to a 5G -- you get a nice color screen, video, photos, etc.

If you had a 5G iPod, many upgraded to the iPod touch (even though the storage capacity wasn't quite there).

If you had a 1G shuffle, you may have upgraded to the 2nd gen one.

If you owned the original iPhone, you probably wanted to get a 3G seeing as you'd get big features like 3G, GPS, etc.

If Apple can't attack the "already own an iPod" market they will run out of steam.

So if Apple adds a camera to the new nano, they have a good chance of getting people to ugprade from 1st/2nd gen iPod nanos.

They will thus need to come up with more attractive upgrades. Remember the transition between iPod mini and iPod nano? The difference between the 2 devices was drastic, and the transition went well. However, if you look at another transition, such as 3rd gen to 4th gen iPod, it just wasn't the same.

Yes I believe that is the case! But nothing is written in stone here. Apple has also stated that they want releases of products when they are ready thus no more Mac World.
Dave

I'm glad MacWorld is done in that I feel their launches will go over more smoothly now. However, it's disappointing because keynotes were very exciting.

Regarding the product lifecycle - if another member can confirm - I recall reading about a Phil Schiller interview where he said September is iPod month and June is iPhone month. September has been iPod month for the past little while and June has been iPhone month, too.

[Thex1138]

Did it really take 2 months for Pinch to data mine the logs to 'stumble upon' the "iPod 3,1" iPod entries... or was that so as not to distract from the 3Gs launch... :rolleyes:

[Pigumon]

and also who in their right minds rates these things negative?

I've posted that same question over and over!

...and always entertaining to see one ambient guess responded by another :D

Seriously, "I have no more knowledge of this than you, but I'll mock you for what I think is wrong".


Anyway, I have a 3rd Gen ipod, the 5 gen was not enough to make me switch, the TOUCH should've been enough, but apple had to go with a flash drive only product, and then keep making them slimmer as if that's what everyone wanted...

So FINALLY there will be a Touch with more capacity than my 5 YEAR OLD IPOD!!! That is really inexcusable. I'll be getting a Touch soon!

[shadow1]

Will the 64 GB ipod touch cost the same as the 32GB ipod touch? Apple might just want to raise the prices.

[Target362]

They're going to update the ipod touch? I didn't see this coming...

they do this every september for the past 4 years so so