Not bad of a painting for who did it.

[waloshin]

The person who made this painting was actually good. Though sadly their only remembered for one thing.

What do you think?

http://ferdyonfilms.com/Europa%20Hitler%20painting.JPG

Or

http://www.adolfthegreat.com/site/fileadmin/Image_Archive/artist-art/watercolor-1912.jpg

[rhsgolfer33]

I believe those are Hitler paintings.

I don't see how they are sadly only remembered for one thing. I mean, you know, its only one of the worst atrocities ever known to man kind.

[scotthayes]

Assume you mean they were "good" as in a good artist and not in any other way. Pure evil can't be masked by a good painting.

[thegoldenmackid]

I believe those are Hitler paintings.

It is...Hitler was an avid painter amongst some other things. There was an auction last year that featured a lot of his work including a picture that apparently he painted of himself. The auction did not raise as much money as hoped, but the media sure made a large deal about it.

[Cassie]

I believe those are Hitler paintings.
http://ferdyonfilms.com/Europa%20Hitler%20painting.JPG
The URL agrees. :p

I never understood why people always say he was a terrible artist; those look pretty incredible to me.

[spaceboots06]

http://ferdyonfilms.com/Europa%20Hitler%20painting.JPG
The URL agrees. :p

I never understood why people always say he was a terrible artist; those look pretty incredible to me.

Yeah I don't understand that either. It's like when everyone started saying Michael Vick was a horrible football player because of the pitbull fighting. Yes, pitbull fighting is freaking horrifying, but that doesn't make his skill in football go down.

[rhsgolfer33]

http://ferdyonfilms.com/Europa%20Hitler%20painting.JPG
The URL agrees. :p

I never understood why people always say he was a terrible artist; those look pretty incredible to me.

Haha, so does the signature at the bottom of the paintings.

I think he was a decent artist, I actually like the paintings.

However, I certainly wouldn't venture to say its sad that they're remembered for only one thing as the OP did. Considering he was responsible for the deaths of millions of people I'd say its fair game to associate anything he did with his horrible legacy.

[waloshin]

Example:

You ask anybody what do they know about Hilter and anybody especially the younger generations are going to say Genocide, not his great paintings.

[rhsgolfer33]

Example:

You ask anybody what do they know about Hilter and anybody especially the younger generations are going to say Genocide, not his great paintings.

And why shouldn't they? His paintings, though decent, pale in comparison to the death of 11 million people. His paintings aren't even an integral part of his legacy considering all the mass murders, exterminations, military campaigns, propaganda, etc. Hitler, the mediocre painter, is nothing in comparison to Hitler, the murderous German military leader responsible for the genocide of 11 million people, and more than partially responsible for WWII. If you asked anyone what they know about Hitler, they'd say German leader responsible for the holocaust, not "oh, Hitler, the painter from Germany who killed a few people."

[spaceboots06]

And why shouldn't they? His paintings, though decent, pale in comparison to the death of 11 million people. His paintings aren't even an integral part of his legacy considering all the mass murders, exterminations, military campaigns, propaganda, etc. Hitler, the mediocre painter, is nothing in comparison to Hitler, the murderous German military leader responsible for the genocide of 11 million people, and more than partially responsible for WWII. If you asked anyone what they know about Hitler, they'd say German leader responsible for the holocaust, not "oh, Hitler, the painter from Germany who killed a few people."

I would just call that being able to use both the left and right parts of your brain effectively.

[waloshin]

And why shouldn't they? His paintings, though decent, pale in comparison to the death of 11 million people. His paintings aren't even an integral part of his legacy considering all the mass murders, exterminations, military campaigns, propaganda, etc. Hitler, the mediocre painter, is nothing in comparison to Hitler, the murderous German military leader responsible for the genocide of 11 million people, and more than partially responsible for WWII. If you asked anyone what they know about Hitler, they'd say German leader responsible for the holocaust, not "oh, Hitler, the painter from Germany who killed a few people."

How much people did Hitler kill himself? Hitler is not the only one to blame, did Hitler kill all 11 million people with his own hands? What about the followers, they take no blame? Hitler was just the leader nothing else. People didn't have to follow him, he could have been stopped. So if someone tells you its alright to jump off a bridge, you would? People have to take their responsibility for their actions.

[scotthayes]

As this seems to be a bit of a "let's so who I can get to bite" thread I'm off and this thread is on it's way to the PRSI or wastelands.

[NP3]

How much people did Hitler kill himself? Hitler is not the only one to blame, did Hitler kill all 11 million people with his own hands?...Hitler was just the leader nothing else...

Wow. What did you learn in school? He was a military and political leader. He signed off on *many* orders. Your argument in modern day context would excuse Osama bin Laden for 9/11. Or even George Bush for invading Iraq :-p

[LethalWolfe]

How much people did Hitler kill himself? Hitler is not the only one to blame, did Hitler kill all 11 million people with his own hands? What about the followers, they take no blame? Hitler was just the leader nothing else. People didn't have to follow him, he could have been stopped. So if someone tells you its alright to jump off a bridge, you would? People have to take their responsibility for their actions.
Apologist much?


Lethal

[rhsgolfer33]

How much people did Hitler kill himself? Hitler is not the only one to blame, did Hitler kill all 11 million people with his own hands? What about the followers, they take no blame? Hitler was just the leader nothing else. People didn't have to follow him, he could have been stopped. So if someone tells you its alright to jump off a bridge, you would? People have to take their responsibility for their actions.

You might think about taking a WWII history course at some point.

Some top followers were tried (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials). Hitler, as leader of the country gave the order to exterminate the Jews in concentration camps, I never said he was solely responsible for the holocaust (obviously he had people to carry out his orders, but ordering murders for many purposes is the same as committing the act; that being said, I doubt the holocaust would have occurred without Hitler), but he was the leader and he ordered his "final solution." There are numerous reasons why many Germans supported Hitler at the time, they were mislead extremely by Hitler, they had been in a significant depression and seen their country and pride shattered after WWI. Hitler promised a lot, he was an excellent speaker, he inspired confidence, and people believed what he had to say. It wasn't like today in the 1930's, you couldn't just google a leaders voting record or see exactly where he stood on every issue. People believed what leaders said and the German people believe Hitler was going to restore them to greatness.

The fact is, Hitler was a relatively unknown artist, and he probably still would be today had he not committed such terrible acts as a world leader. It is quite doubtful we would be discussing Hitler's mediocre work in comparison with many superior artists of the 1900s.

[Gelfin]

It is certainly fair to say he should have stuck with the painting.

[waloshin]

Wow. What did you learn in school? He was a military and political leader. He signed off on *many* orders. Your argument in modern day context would excuse Osama bin Laden for 9/11. Or even George Bush for invading Iraq :-p

Was it really Osama Bin Laden or was it Bush? Just because the George W Bush said it was Osama Bin Laden doesn't mean it was.

[scotthayes]

How much people did Hitler kill himself? Hitler is not the only one to blame, did Hitler kill all 11 million people with his own hands? What about the followers, they take no blame? Hitler was just the leader nothing else. People didn't have to follow him, he could have been stopped. So if someone tells you its alright to jump off a bridge, you would? People have to take their responsibility for their actions.

One more thing...


“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the
leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country.”
--- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg
Trials after World War II.

[NP3]

Was it really Osama Bin Laden or was it Bush? Just because the George W Bush said it was Osama Bin Laden doesn't mean it was.

According to your logic it doesn't matter, as neither can be held responsible :-p.

[Dagless]

Everything aside - he did some spiffing paintings.

WW2 had a huge impact on my life. My grandfather is Polish and was a German POW (luckily he was Catholic), escaped and fled to England. A few of my relatives out there died. My other grandfather was one of the first into Nagasaki (or Hiroshima, I forget which) and died from after effects of that. So I'm not some Hitler apologist. He just did some good paintings is all.

[Melrose]

Even the most horrible people can have talent.

I much prefer Winston Churchill's style myself, but meh..

[iBlue]

Sorry, his artistic talents do not negate the horrific acts which he is responsible for.

[Unspoken Demise]

Oh yeah, this is on the fast track to PRSI.

Anyways, his paintings and art are very nice. I like them a lot, and frankly, if the price were right, I would but those paintings, even if I knew Hitler painted them. To me it shows are part in his life before the hatred took him over. He used to be a very happy man. When his mother died, he blamed her Jewish doctor for her death, hence the...well you know.

Its interesting to see such a brilliant (and I mean that. If the man had set his talents and way with words towards a goal for good, he could have made a real positive change in the world) man make such a terrible, horrible, and revolting decision, resulting in millions of deaths. *shakes head*

[Melrose]

Sorry, his artistic talents do not negate the horrific acts which he is responsible for.

I never suggested his paintings in any way, shape or form make his actions any less disgusting. I'm simply making the statement that even bad people are good at something.

[iBlue]

I never suggested his paintings in any way, shape or form make his actions any less disgusting. I'm simply making the statement that even bad people are good at something.

I was making my comment entirely in general, not in anyone's direction within this thread.

And I agree. Even the worst of the worst usually have something good somewhere. A broken watch is right twice a day.

[Melrose]

Sorry. It followed my last post there. my bad.

[richard.mac]

yeah Hitler was a good painter and a good shaver, nothing wrong with that!

[yg17]

Anyways, his paintings and art are very nice. I like them a lot, and frankly, if the price were right, I would but those paintings, even if I knew Hitler painted them.

That would be a nice conversation starter for guests who came to your house....

"That's a beautiful painting, is it a Van Gogh?"
"No, it's a Hitler"

[Unspoken Demise]

That would be a nice conversation starter for guests who came to your house....

"That's a beautiful painting, is it a Van Gogh?"
"No, it's a Hitler"

Haha that would indeed be a funny way to break the ice. It just sucks that people would probably just judge me for having the piece due to the artist, instead of appreciating it for what it is.

Maybe I would just take it down when Jewish people come over.

And my accountant. ;)

[arkitect]

That would be a nice conversation starter for guests who came to your house....

"That's a beautiful painting, is it a Van Gogh?"
"No, it's a Hitler"

There is no way anyone would ever confuse a van Gogh with a measly daub by Hitler.

He did however, somewhere in Munich, do a not too bad sketch that led to better things…
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yTwCogwnuqc/R8Bmm4S5e9I/AAAAAAAAAJg/jfhQawuJXAo/s400/volkswagen%2Bprototype.jpg

[BoyBach]

Hitler was a wonderful painter; he could do an entire room, two coats, in under four hours. ***** artist, though.

[Rodimus Prime]

You might think about taking a WWII history course at some point.

Some top followers were tried (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials). Hitler, as leader of the country gave the order to exterminate the Jews in concentration camps, I never said he was solely responsible for the holocaust (obviously he had people to carry out his orders, but ordering murders for many purposes is the same as committing the act; that being said, I doubt the holocaust would have occurred without Hitler), but he was the leader and he ordered his "final solution." There are numerous reasons why many Germans supported Hitler at the time, they were mislead extremely by Hitler, they had been in a significant depression and seen their country and pride shattered after WWI. Hitler promised a lot, he was an excellent speaker, he inspired confidence, and people believed what he had to say. It wasn't like today in the 1930's, you couldn't just google a leaders voting record or see exactly where he stood on every issue. People believed what leaders said and the German people believe Hitler was going to restore them to greatness.

The fact is, Hitler was a relatively unknown artist, and he probably still would be today had he not committed such terrible acts as a world leader. It is quite doubtful we would be discussing Hitler's mediocre work in comparison with many superior artists of the 1900s.

You know every time someone says they do not think the holocaust would not of happened with out Hilter it makes me think of Red Alert. The entire bases of the game is based on some one going back in time and removing Hilter from history.

Now I do believe WWII would of happened with out Hitler. Holocaust might not of happened but it could of very well of still happened. Reason for it is people like someone to blame and the Jews were a very easy target to blame for all of Germany's problems. So it still could of happen just who ever was in power other than Hitler would of done it.

An example to look to for a bit of proof this could of happen is no farther than the USA during WWII. The US put millions of Japaneses Americans in Concentration camps. Many of them did die of different illnesses. A little over look fact from American history but the victor always gets to write the history books.

[Zombie Acorn]

Those are actually pretty good.

[spaceboots06]

yeah Hitler was a good painter and a good shaver, nothing wrong with that!

I wonder if he was good in bed. :o

[Unspoken Demise]

I wonder if he was good in bed. :o
From what I've read, and when I did a history project on him in High School, he was impotent.

[BoyBach]

I wonder if he was good in bed. :o

From what I've read, and when I did a history project on him in High School, he was impotent.


Hitler had only one ball. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Has_Only_Got_One_Ball) The other, I'm led to believe, was in the Albert Hall.

[leekohler]

How much people did Hitler kill himself? Hitler is not the only one to blame, did Hitler kill all 11 million people with his own hands? What about the followers, they take no blame? Hitler was just the leader nothing else. People didn't have to follow him, he could have been stopped. So if someone tells you its alright to jump off a bridge, you would? People have to take their responsibility for their actions.

Wow- I think we may have a Hitler apologist in our midst. Don't see too many of you around.

[arkitect]

Wow- I think we may have a Hitler apologist in our midst. Don't see too many of you around.

Thanks for quoting him in full. ;)

Now I remember why he is on my ignore list…

[Tomorrow]

Wow- I think we may have a Hitler apologist in our midst. Don't see too many of you around.

Yeah, and aside from the "11 million" part, the same can be said of Charles Manson. And nobody's beating down the doors to forgive him, either.

[spaceboots06]

Wow- I think we may have a Hitler apologist in our midst. Don't see too many of you around.

I thought those didn't exist.

[NT1440]

Wow, I thought I had seen it all in PRSI, but I guess I can now add Hitler apologist to the list.....

wow

[leekohler]

Yeah, and aside from the "11 million" part, the same can be said of Charles Manson. And nobody's beating down the doors to forgive him, either.

That might be next. Don't encourage him.

[yg17]

And Bin Laden didn't fly the planes into the towers, let's forgive and stop looking for him too :rolleyes:

[TSE]

While Jews were fairly common in Germany at the time, they weren't totally accepted either, even before Hitler.

Hitler was a horrible man. He was a decent artist, and if I could get my hands on one of his paintings I would, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a horrible man.

[hulugu]

...You ask anybody what do they know about Hilter and anybody especially the younger generations are going to say Genocide, not his great paintings.

Well, discussing his paintings first would be burying the lede, so to speak. Had Hitler just remained a painter he would easily have been forgotten, having been lost in the mass of similar artists who worked during that time. Hitler is a forgettable painter, but because of those other events the man is remembered.

It's like focusing on his relationship with Eva Braun or his un testículo.

[TK2K]

lmao godwin's law strikes again

[hulugu]

lmao godwin's law strikes again

Actually no, Godwin's law presupposes that the longer a [discussion] (he said Usenet) goes, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

Linked to the logical fallacy reductio ad Hilterum.

Since this discussion began with Hitler, we can suppose that the metric from Godwin's law is exactly 1. It would follow that this argument, as it goes longer, should spiral into several other subjects.

And, then fall prey to Godwin's law when someone is compared to Hitler.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Was it really Osama Bin Laden or was it Bush? Just because the George W Bush said it was Osama Bin Laden doesn't mean it was.

I would just like to point out your incredible ignorance, Bin Laden did claim responsibility for 9/11.

As for the point you're trying to make in the thread:

Who cares if he was a good artist? He was the figure head of a mass extermination. Who cares if John Wayne Gacy jr. was an avid church goer, he was also a child rapist and murderer.

[leekohler]

I would just like to point out your incredible ignorance, Bin Laden did claim responsibility for 9/11.

As for the point you're trying to make in the thread:

Who cares if he was a good artist? He was the figure head of a mass extermination. Who cares if John Wayne Gacey jr. was an avid church goer, he was also a child rapist and murderer.

And I might add IMO, that Gacy was a much better artist than Hitler. But that's just a matter of taste. :D:D

[freeny]

Yes, Hitler was a nice illustrator.

As an artist he added nothing new or groundbreaking. That was his problem. He wanted to be a star but only had supporting role talent..

Artists are remembered because of the effect they had on art as a whole, not weather they were good artists. The masters are/were successful at both.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

And I might add IMO, that Gacy was a much better artist than Hitler. But that's just a matter of taste. :D:D

Bah! You're totally right. I forgot about his murderabilia.

[Badandy]

What is wrong with the OP? It's as if he's lamenting the fact that people think about how Hitler ordered the extermination of millions of people instead of for the average artwork he produced...

[freeny]

What is wrong with the OP? It's as if he's lamenting the fact that people think about how Hitler ordered the extermination of millions of people instead of for the average artwork he produced...

And that Michael Jackson was a Pedophile but all people want to talk about is his talent... :confused:

[Badandy]

And that Michael Jackson was a Pedophile but all people want to talk about is his talent... :confused:

To be fair, he was acquitted. He was a weirdo with children anyway though.

[PlaceofDis]

I never understood why people always say he was a terrible artist; those look pretty incredible to me.

he was considered a terrible artist at the time simply because that wasn't the popular style, nor was it terribly creative or new. its mechanical and shows little artistic flair of the time, in terms of showing a portrait, it works and is a good job, but that does not equal any intrinsic artistry, just skill.

at least thats what i remember from my art history classes. and for the most part i'd have to agree, there is nothing terribly exciting about these paintings at all.

[leekohler]

he was considered a terrible artist at the time simply because that wasn't the popular style, nor was it terribly creative or new. its mechanical and shows little artistic flair of the time, in terms of showing a portrait, it works and is a good job, but that does not equal any intrinsic artistry, just skill.

at least thats what i remember from my art history classes. and for the most part i'd have to agree, there is nothing terribly exciting about these paintings at all.

Not to mention the fact that he closed the Bauhaus, probably one of the most important modern schools of art ever.

[benthewraith]

How much people did Hitler kill himself? Hitler is not the only one to blame, did Hitler kill all 11 million people with his own hands? What about the followers, they take no blame? Hitler was just the leader nothing else. People didn't have to follow him, he could have been stopped. So if someone tells you its alright to jump off a bridge, you would? People have to take their responsibility for their actions.

His hand signed the ****** legislation that lead to the mass extermination of 12 million people.

[NT1440]

And that Michael Jackson was a Pedophile but all people want to talk about is his talent... :confused:

Glad someone said it.

[iPhoneNYC]

The great irony is that Hitler applied to art school and was rejected. How would the world have changed if they accepted him? The documentary "The Rape of Europa" has speculation that Hitler decided what country to invade next based on the art he wanted to add to his personal collection.

[Gelfin]

The great irony is that Hitler applied to art school and was rejected. How would the world have changed if they accepted him? The documentary "The Rape of Europa" has speculation that Hitler decided what country to invade next based on the art he wanted to add to his personal collection.

Sounds like a great strategy for others' art school applications: "It is hard to fully express how keen I am on attending your school, but suffice it to say that if rejected I may become so distraught that I invade Poland."

[yg17]

To be fair, he was acquitted. He was a weirdo with children anyway though.

Hitler was never convicted of anything either ;)

Sure, we can say innocent until proven guilty, but you can look at the evidence yourself and come to your own conclusion of guilt, and I think both MJ and Hitler are guilty, of course it's wrong to lump the crimes of MJ and Hitler in the same category. I think everybody is OK with a pop star giving kids hand jobs when compared with killing 11 million people.

[Thomas Veil]

...and when I did a history project on him in High School, he was impotent.Not just then. He was impotent at other times as well. ;)

[awmazz]

The great irony is that Hitler applied to art school and was rejected. How would the world have changed if they accepted him? The documentary "The Rape of Europa" has speculation that Hitler decided what country to invade next based on the art he wanted to add to his personal collection.

That's been the big 'if' for a long time now. In my opinion, in all likelihood he would have left art school and signed up for WW1 like he did anyway and the rest would still be the same.

What *would* have maybe changed history is if he had been assigned to an infantry division instead of as a runner/messenger. His bones would still be buried undiscovered under some field in Flanders somewhere.

[hulugu]

There's a great flash fiction story, "Wikihistory (http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html)" by Desmond Warzel.


From the story:
11/15/2104
At 14:52:28, FreedomFighter69 wrote:
Reporting my first temporal excursion since joining IATT: have just returned from 1936 Berlin, having taken the place of one of Leni Riefenstahl's cameramen and assassinated Adolf Hitler during the opening of the Olympic Games. Let a free world rejoice!

At 14:57:44, SilverFox316 wrote:
Back from 1936 Berlin; incapacitated FreedomFighter69 before he could pull his little stunt. Freedomfighter69, as you are a new member, please read IATT Bulletin 1147 regarding the killing of Hitler before your next excursion. Failure to do so may result in your expulsion per Bylaw 223.

At 18:06:59, BigChill wrote:
Take it easy on the kid, SilverFox316; everybody kills Hitler on their first trip. I did. It always gets fixed within a few minutes, what's the harm?

At 18:33:10, SilverFox316 wrote:
Easy for you to say, BigChill, since to my recollection you've never volunteered to go back and fix it. You think I've got nothing better to do?

11/16/2104
At 10:15:44, JudgeDoom wrote:
Good news! I just left a French battlefield in October 1916, where I shot dead a young Bavarian Army messenger named Adolf Hitler! Not bad for my first time, no? Sic semper tyrannis!

At 10:22:53, SilverFox316 wrote:
Back from 1916 France I come, having at the last possible second prevented Hitler's early demise at the hands of JudgeDoom and, incredibly, restrained myself from shooting JudgeDoom and sparing us all years of correcting his misguided antics. READ BULLETIN 1147, PEOPLE!

At 15:41:18, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Point of order: issues related to Hitler's service in the Bavarian Army ought to go in the World War I forum.

11/21/2104
At 02:21:30, SneakyPete wrote:
Vienna, 1907: after numerous attempts, have infiltrated the Academy of Fine Arts and facilitated Adolf Hitler's admission to that institution. Goodbye, Hitler the dictator; hello, Hitler the modestly successful landscape artist! Brought back a few of his paintings as well, any buyers?

At 02:29:17, SilverFox316 wrote:
All right; that's it. Having just returned from 1907 Vienna where I secured the expulsion of Hitler from the Academy by means of an elaborate prank involving the Prefect, a goat, and a substantial quantity of olive oil, I now turn my attention to our newer brethren, who, despite rules to the contrary, seem to have no intention of reading Bulletin 1147 (nor its Addendum, Alternate Means of Subverting the Hitlerian Destiny, and here I'm looking at you, SneakyPete). Permit me to sum it up and save you the trouble: no Hitler means no Third Reich, no World War II, no rocketry programs, no electronics, no computers, no time travel. Get the picture?

At 02:29:49, SilverFox316 wrote:
PS to SneakyPete: your Hitler paintings aren't worth anything, schmuck, since you probably brought them directly here from 1907, which means the paint's still fresh. Freaking n00b.

[thegoldenmackid]

The great irony is that Hitler applied to art school and was rejected. How would the world have changed if they accepted him? The documentary "The Rape of Europa" has speculation that Hitler decided what country to invade next based on the art he wanted to add to his personal collection.

A collection that only the Vatican could ever be placed in the same category as, at least in recent memory.