Who's waiting for TomTom?

[WJ2593]

I have decided not to wait and get Sygic Mobile Maps mainly because it looks as if TomToms solution will turn out very expensive, either because it'll be a subscription service or very expensive and because the accessory to make to go with the app will cost a fair wack.

Anyway who else has not waited or is waiting and why?

For me the sygic works beautifully and will suffice. Anyway Tomtom missed the boat and took too long to get theirs out.

[duelingdragons]

I am. I'd rather wait and have a great TomTom app.

Patience is a virtue. :)

[BryanLyle]

I'm waiting, but I want to find out if it works with iPhones that have a case on them and how well it works before I jump.

[WJ2593]

I'll end up getting both just to compare. I don't think a case makes a big difference as mobile maps works fine on my 3g that has a case on it.

[bbplayer5]

.o/

[avaloncourt]

I'll be waiting for TomTom. Have you looked at the comments here regarding their Sygic experience, searching and routing? There's a great review thread where someone demonstrated a massive failure in rerouting even making miles of turning at 100 feet from the intended road.

I have decided not to wait and get Sygic Mobile Maps mainly because it looks as if TomToms solution will turn out very expensive, either because it'll be a subscription service...

Apparently you didn't read the MacWorld article. I don't know where you got that it would be a subscription service. I've never seen that mentioned at all.

Murray did tell us that the company is leaning towards a set price for the application and maps, rather than taking the subscription approach of AT&T.

and because the accessory to make to go with the app will cost a fair wack.

It's not like you have to buy it any more than you'd have to buy anything to go with the Sygic software. So, that's not really any kind of an argument. It is optional.

[nfl46]

I just hope it isn't subscription! I don't want to pay a monthly fee, just let me pay one big payment.

[swanseastu]

I was waiting for Tomtom, but went down the Navigon route with no regrets...personally I think its got some better features at the moment - given what we know about tomtom

[return7]

me for now. curious to see how much it'll be

[robpow]

I was waiting for Tomtom, but went down the Navigon route with no regrets...personally I think its got some better features at the moment - given what we know about tomtomI can second that, we just got back from a 2400 mile road trip using Navigon as our main navigation aid.

M.

[Tunnelrunner]

Who ISN'T waiting for it? :D

I plan to use TomTom mainly as the back-up to AT&T Navigator/Telenav (in the unlikely event I can't get a data signal). Further down the bench, G-Map will drop to 3rd string and Sygic goes to 4th string. Personally, I found Sygic to be mediocre at best--I certainly think TomTom will perform much better than Sygic (at least I hope so!). Gokivo will remain inactive until I see the second roll-out, which NIM promises will fix bugs, boast lots of improvements, and other goodies.

One other thought on TomTom: I'm starting to think it
will be even more expensive than I thought. Navigon Europe is $130+ IIRC...I wonder how brand-leader TomTom will price themselves...?

[avaloncourt]

I was waiting for Tomtom, but went down the Navigon route with no regrets...personally I think its got some better features at the moment - given what we know about tomtom

I don't fault you at all for this. We have neither TomTom nor Navigon in the US but I have a Navigon hardware GPS and it has an exceptional interface and good routing.

Edited to add: Someone just posted that Navigon North America Lite is now available. Apparently Navigon is feeling some pressure over the GPS software releases. The "Lite" version is Maps without turn-by-turn routing. Odd. Well, it is free so we can download to see the interface. I guess that's their approach on this.

[Fizzoid]

me for now. curious to see how much it'll be
+1

[bbplayer5]

If its anything like the GPS on blackberry, it will be 99.99 accessory probably... 29.99?

[avaloncourt]

If its anything like the GPS on blackberry, it will be 99.99 accessory probably... 29.99?

That doesn't have a built-in Bluetooth speakerphone, does it? It also has an integrated GPS chipset which their other mounts don't have. That will certainly increase cost.

[WJ2593]

I'll be waiting for TomTom. Have you looked at the comments here regarding their Sygic experience, searching and routing? There's a great review thread where someone demonstrated a massive failure in rerouting even making miles of turning at 100 feet from the intended road.

Apparently you didn't read the MacWorld article. I don't know where you got that it would be a subscription service. I've never seen that mentioned at all.

It's not like you have to buy it any more than you'd have to buy anything to go with the Sygic software. So, that's not really any kind of an argument. It is optional.

In case you missed it there is a key word there 'leaning' so it is yet to be decided and in a blog I read I saw that it is looking more likely a subscription service if you want your maps updated.

True the accessory is optional but it will be recommended which means the app will have better functionality and is probably designed around use with the accessory.

I have in fact read that review but in my case it works very nicely and so I am happy with it. When Tomtom finally releases their maps if it isn't a subscription service I will buy it and see how it fairs up, but they have missed out on customers by their slow release and the fact so much is kept quiet. If they told people for definite it was fixed price and the accessory and app was x amount and when it was released maybe I would have waited and bought it. Fact is they say later in the summer but so have many before them have said 'fall' 'winter' etc and then there is nothing. A date would be a start.

[bbplayer5]

Dont forget the new g-map coming soon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urwfnMZmrs4

[avaloncourt]

In case you missed it there is a key word there 'leaning' so it is yet to be decided and in a blog I read I saw that it is looking more likely a subscription service if you want your maps updated.

That's not what you said originally. You were talking about the Navigation software when you said subscription service. You never mentioned maps. Yes, I'm sure the Maps and Traffic will be subscription because that's consistent with every other product they have produced. We have no idea how any of the other software applications will handle map updates. The companies will have to charge at some point (most likely through in-app purchase) as those maps are free to them. Eventually they're going to hit a point where their sales flatten and they'll start to lose money giving out free updates for something they have to pay for.

True the accessory is optional but it will be recommended which means the app will have better functionality and is probably designed around use with the accessory.

Of course it will, the MacWorld article already laid that out. It will have simultaneous Bluetooth speakerphone along with Navigation and music via the cable connection. That's where the others are failing right now. They have to break with navigation to allow a call to commence but the article also said that the software can be utilized without it (granted, losing features like those). They've already developed workarounds to the walls other companies are presently hitting.

I'm downloading the Navigon North America Lite right now. Big sucker at 1.3GB. So, I think we can assume that TomTom will be just as large.

[WJ2593]

That's not what you said originally. You were talking about the Navigation software when you said subscription service. You never mentioned maps. Yes, I'm sure the Maps and Traffic will be subscription because that's consistent with every other product they have produced. We have no idea how any of the other software applications will handle map updates. The companies will have to charge at some point (most likely through in-app purchase) as those maps are free to them. Eventually they're going to hit a point where their sales flatten and they'll start to lose money giving out free updates for something they have to pay for.



Of course it will, the MacWorld article already laid that out. It will have simultaneous Bluetooth speakerphone along with Navigation and music via the cable connection. That's where the others are failing right now. They have to break with navigation to allow a call to commence but the article also said that the software can be utilized without it (granted, losing features like those). They've already developed workarounds to the walls other companies are presently hitting.

I'm downloading the Navigon North America Lite right now. Big sucker at 1.3GB. So, I think we can assume that TomTom will be just as large.

Oh sorry if I don't make myself clear, but with the accesory I am assuming that tomtom will make it so that the accessory is kinda of required
to use the app and I completely understand why they are doing it. The only problem is this time delay which I suspect is down to the accessory and production. Anyways I am still worried with the price, $80AU is generous for 2 full country maps. I reckon tomtom will be $100+ for the same excluding accessory, who knows might mean those cheaper GPS units look good.

[avaloncourt]

Oh sorry if I don't make myself clear, but with the accesory I am assuming that tomtom will make it so that the accessory is kinda of required to use the app

The WWDC video stated the mount was completely optional. From the workarounds they created using the Bluetooth speakerphone it would appear that the non-mounted software approach would be to have the same problems as everyone else and break navigation instructions to take a call.

[WJ2593]

The WWDC video stated the mount was completely optional. From the workarounds they created using the Bluetooth speakerphone it would appear that the non-mounted software approach would be to have the same problems as everyone else and break navigation instructions to take a call.

Thanks for clearing that one up but I was more referring to the GPS chip in the accessory. Is it true there is one? I read somewhere there is one but is it true?

[iphone529]

I really hope the TOM TOM app is much better than the sygic app, the GUI is terrible on sygic and the Navigon one that showed up doesn't even have map guidance.

Only factor will be the price point.

[SlavKO]

I too am waiting for Tom Tom, but does anyone have any opinions about G-Map? I am thinking of maybe getting that first to see if it meets my needs.

[Rayfire]

I already reserved one app slot in my home screen for TomTom so count me in the waiting list!

[SaintsMac]

I will definately be getting the TOM TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rburly]

I've been using my TomTom hardware for two years now.

Love it!

[senorhappy]

I too am waiting for Tom Tom, but does anyone have any opinions about G-Map? I am thinking of maybe getting that first to see if it meets my needs.

I absolutely love the new G-Map nav app (v1.3.1). I bought the app when it was v1.2 and was only $19.95 (for US west or US East). It has all the features I'd ever want, including the pretty cool lane assist in the medium-to-bigger cities (see xRoad's webpage www.xroadgps.com to find out more). The maps are loaded on the phone and the GPS tracks pretty darn good for being a phone first. Even the speedometer is within 1-2 mph at fairly constant speeds (not bad for having about a 50-foot GPS accuracy at best).

My only complaint is that xRoad screwed with the app's ability to play iPod (or Pandora, etc.) while using the G-Map app when they went from v1.3 to v1.3.1. I just don't understand. This is a big deal (for me) since the voice thru the iPhone's speaker is far too quiet to hear the lady's pretty voice giving me directions without sending it thru my stereo. SO I either have to listen to the iPod on the iPhone and have no G-Map running, or I have to listen to the radio at a mouse whisper so I can hear the G-Map lady, or I have to have the G-Map lady channeled thru my stereo and listen to nothing but her. I need the G-Map lady to interrupt Van Halen by reducing the volume of Diamond Dave and then tell me where to go. This needs to be fixed IMMEDIATELY!!

Overall, it is an incredible program for $20, and a very very solid and competitive program at its current price of $34.95 for half the country. This puts it price-wise on par with Sygic and far below Navigon (G-Map and Navigon both use Navteq maps) and probably well below Tom Tom's app-and-cradle system.

It get's me from Point A to Point B without forcing me to spend any more money. I can't wait to get the iPhone G-Map version previewed on YouTube by TapCritic (with no additional fee).

I (almost) love this app!!

[healeydave]

I will wait for TomTom, I have no need to jump the gun on this one.

I can understand why some people might need to get something sooner rather than wait.

For me, as its a piece of software that you cannot really re-sell (if you don't like it), I already know what to expect with TomTom and hence don't see the need to risk having to make a more expensive investment by buying something different and then possibly buying TomTom in the end anyway.

[sara123456]

I just got myself a Tom Tom One V4 for £60 from PC World, I had to give in as I don't think we will even get the maps for that prices for the Iphone.

[dagomike]

I'm trying the ATT subscription app and it seems to work OK. I should give g-map a try too I guess. I have a feeling TomTom is going to be expensive.

[wowipod]

So let me get this straight with TomTom. Europe and America come first and then they'll think about the rest of the world?

[NotOwning]

I'm waiting too, but I have a big trip that I need a GPS for on August 8th..Do we think TomTom will be released by then?

[OneMike]

Will not be getting the TomTom app. Bet it will be a lot more expensive plus they are trying to push their hardware with it.

Tried Sygic and it did a pretty good job. For now I think I will stick to my regular GPS device though and see how the iPhone apps come along.

[wowipod]

I'm waiting too, but I have a big trip that I need a GPS for on August 8th..Do we think TomTom will be released by then?

Well hopefully because if they haven't they will lose a lot of sales as people bece impatient and just use the ones available on the AppStore already

[doobs]

me

[srl7741]

I'm waiting. I have to, it's TomTom.

I hope it's worth the wait? I should mention if they pull an AT&T/MMS on me/us I will be making another purchase tho.

[kitenski]

I'm holding off getting the iPhone until TomTom or something similiar is out for Europe...

[Moleshome]

I've got Navigon but Just based on using it locally I've got zero confidence in its routing so I'll be buying TomTom when it's available.

I'm off to France on the 1st August so if TomTom isn't out by then I've got TomTom on my old Smartphone so I'll be taking that.

[neil1980]

Well I had tomtom on all my WM phones going back to errm well I guess it must be about 2003 ish?

The thing that put me off the most about the iPhone was lack of tomtom so I bought a tomtom one europe to tide me over.

As soon as its out on the iPhone I will be selling my tomtom one and getting the iPhone version... I miss having it with me wherever I go and having the inbuilt data connection for stuff like traffic and cameras etc.

[GuyCalledPete]

I bought Navigon last week due to travel needs, I would have much preferred Tomtom, but I just couldn't wait any longer. Light use so far in the Netherlands, so not really sure how it'll go, but I'll be really putting it through it's paces on a trip to Italy later this week.

So far not impressed too much, there was one POI that I thought could be interesting in Amsterdam, only to walk down the street and found it didn't exist.

I might take my old HTC Diamond to Italy, just to use TomTom if I need it - it's a real shame TomTom have delayed so long for the iPhone, because I really would have much preferred to buy their solution.

-- Pete.

[SlavKO]

I'm going on a trip in about 2 weeks. I think if I don't hear anything more on the TomTom I will the pull the trigger on G-map. We will see though...

[bbplayer5]

I'm going on a trip in about 2 weeks. I think if I don't hear anything more on the TomTom I will the pull the trigger on G-map. We will see though...

Wouldnt waste your money man... its not good yet. Only if the next update comes out.

[Moleshome]

So let me get this straight with TomTom. Europe and America come first and then they'll think about the rest of the world?

Yes ... :rolleyes:

[JonB3Z]

I'm waiting in the sense that I'm not springing for one of the other stand-alone apps. I'm not waiting in that I subscribed to AT&T Navigator for the interim. If the TT package looks good and is reasonably priced, I'll go that route. Otherwise, I can stick with the AT&T app for a bit.

To me, the hardware makes the TomTom system a lot more attractive than the other offerings. While the iPhone GPS is pretty good considering the physical limitations on the antenna, stand-alone GPS units are much better. I'm willing to pay a fair amount for that, and if I get better integration of iPod audio and nav audio at the same time, even better. (The lack of such integration is my biggest annoyance with the AT&T app.)

[schulzmc]

I'm going on a trip in about 2 weeks. I think if I don't hear anything more on the TomTom I will the pull the trigger on G-map. We will see though...

Just make sure that the G-map maps cover your travel area. I LOVE G-map and planned to use it, only to find that the area of Wisconsin to which I was traveling is not in the database...:(

[javaGuru]

I'm waiting for TomTom to be released but I'm still very curious to learn more about how it's going to be priced/packaged. I'm very curious to find out how much this window mounting dock complete with its own GPS will cost. In the meantime I'm giving AT&T navigator a try. So far it works extremely well but I'm still not sure if I'll continue paying $9.99/month for the service.

[wowipod]

Yes ... :rolleyes:

Guess I'll have to stick with Sygic for little longer then.

[NightStorm]

I'm waiting for TomTom to be released but I'm still very curious to learn more about how it's going to be priced/packaged. I'm very curious to find out how much this window mounting dock complete with its own GPS will cost. In the meantime I'm giving AT&T navigator a try. So far it works extremely well but I'm still not sure if I'll continue paying $9.99/month for the service.

I used it last week while traveling to/from North Carolina for vacation and found it to be pretty good. I'll probably keep it until the TomTom or Navigon US apps are released.

[vertigo235]

I bought Navigon last week due to travel needs, I would have much preferred Tomtom, but I just couldn't wait any longer. Light use so far in the Netherlands, so not really sure how it'll go, but I'll be really putting it through it's paces on a trip to Italy later this week.

So far not impressed too much, there was one POI that I thought could be interesting in Amsterdam, only to walk down the street and found it didn't exist.

I might take my old HTC Diamond to Italy, just to use TomTom if I need it - it's a real shame TomTom have delayed so long for the iPhone, because I really would have much preferred to buy their solution.

-- Pete.

You bought it for pois? Why don't you just use the maps app for that.

[rburly]

Just use G-Maps East (in the US) and you won't be sorry.

It's every bit as good, and better than my TomTom XLS hardware.

[avaloncourt]

I'm wondering if TomTom wasn't dragging their feet for the just-released 3.1 beta 2. TomTom says they're using Bluetooth to connect the speakerphone in the dock to the phone. The beta release that just came out allows for voice control over Bluetooth. Just a thought. It was previously mentioned that Bluetooth control was coming and it's finally out at the developer level.

[jacobgaul]

i really hope this doesnt end up costing more then $100 because that would be pointless when you can go get a garmin and even a tomtom stand alone for $79.00 when you catch them on sale..

also, i wonder how its going to work is it per acct or per device? bc i have 3 iphone 3GS that are linked to my itunes account, and a 4th will be added in nov. in no way will i be willing to pay $100 x 4 when all the other apps ive paid for work across the 4 phones

i know of 1 app that currently only works on 1 phone at a time and its a nursing application that i have for school, the other people on my acct dont need the app so that works out for me but i have no idea how they limit it to only 1 phone and before you guys say that using 1 paid app on 3 iphones is stealing, well its not, i paid for the app its not cracked, all 3 phones are on my family plan and so on.. so i feel i should beable to use it on 3 phones seeing as they are all under my name.

[Tiffy]

In Europe we have no other choice than Google Maps or Navigon. Sygic & G-Map have not yet released their European versions. I have used Navigon for 2 weeks now and I must say that it does its job pretty well. The maps are recent, the vocal guidance is very efficient and accurate, and the 3D view of some junctions is very helpful.

The only problem is a lack of sensitivity of the GPS. with the Kensington LiquidAux Deluxe kit, the Iphone is far from the windshield, so maybe it is better if the Iphone is positioned somewhere else. It is OK if I am alone in the car, but with some passengers inside it becomes very difficult to have a correct GPS signal.

To come back to the subject, why should I wait for TomTom ? Navigon already gives me what I want, and in the next release due this month they will add the possibility to prepare the itinerary & add the fixed radars. What else can Tomtom offer (without subscrition) ?

[dZp]

In Europe we have no other choice than Google Maps or Navigon. Sygic & G-Map have not yet released their European versions. [...]
Sygic Mobile Maps Europe has finally been available for download since yesterday. (iTunes link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=306486840&mt=8))

[Tiffy]

Sygic Mobile Maps Europe has finally been available for download since yesterday. (iTunes link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=306486840&mt=8))

Thanks, I hadn't noticed it. How does it compare to Navigon on the most important features (GPS sensitivity, accuracy of guidance, ...) ?

[wowipod]

Thanks, I hadn't noticed it. How does it compare to Navigon on the most important features (GPS sensitivity, accuracy of guidance, ...) ?

I have the Australian version and so far I am impressed. The routing it chooses is sometimes a bit odd but thats all I can fault it for.

[GuyCalledPete]

You bought it for pois? Why don't you just use the maps app for that.

No, I bought it for navigation, but the POIs are interesting extras. The reason I didn't use the maps app is because I really didn't fancy the data roaming charges...

-- Pete.

[vertigo235]

No, I bought it for navigation, but the POIs are interesting extras. The reason I didn't use the maps app is because I really didn't fancy the data roaming charges...

-- Pete.

Ahh, yes data roaming charges. Good point, but that won't be a problem for me :)

[tivoboy]

Looks like it might be pricey, although Euro prices and USA retail don't ever line up.

I'm still thinking, that 150-175$ for the kit coming out of the gates is going to be the PP

http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2009/08/04/tomtom-for-iphone-car-kit

[Rayfire]

Looks like it might be pricey, although Euro prices and USA retail don't ever line up.

I'm still thinking, that 150-175$ for the kit coming out of the gates is going to be the PP

http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2009/08/04/tomtom-for-iphone-car-kit

I'm still waiting, but if that UK site is correct, ours would land really almost in the $200 mark - which is something like an iPhone already :rolleyes:

[ct2k7]

I'm still waiting, but if that UK site is correct, ours would land really almost in the $200 mark - which is something like an iPhone already :rolleyes:

The price is TBC according to their site. That current price is only a provisional tag.

[Rayfire]

The price is TBC according to their site. That current price is only a provisional tag.

Yup, I wonder for how long though. iGo was just recently released too.
I just wish they'd release it ASAP

[ct2k7]

Yup, I wonder for how long though. iGo was just recently released too.
I just wish they'd release it ASAP

Yeah :/