OS X Snow Leopard 10A402 Brings Visual Tweaks and Other Enhancements

[MacRumors]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/10/os-x-snow-leopard-10a402-brings-visual-tweaks-and-other-enhancements/)

With the release (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/09/apple-pushes-snow-leopard-build-10a402-to-developers/) of the OS X Snow Leopard 10A402 beta yesterday, users have been poring over the new version looking for changes. Among the most obvious changes have been a few visual tweaks, although several other enhancements have also been discovered.

- Contextual Dock Menus in List View: Apple has modified the theme of contextual menus within the Dock when using list view. The menus now utilize what some users are calling a "heads-up display" theme of white text on a charcoal background.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/07/10/102122-dock_list_view.jpg

- Finder Window Slider Button: The new-in-Snow Leopard Finder window slider button for adjusting icon sizes has now taken on a grey color as opposed to the standard blue buttons found elsewhere.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/07/10/102122-slider_button.png

- Exposé for Multiple Monitors Fixed: Exposé reportedly now functions correctly when using multiple monitors, with windows remaining on their respective monitors in Exposé rather than all being collected on the primary monitor.

- System Responsiveness and Speed: Many users are reporting greater system responsiveness and significant increases in speed. Startup and shutdown times appear to be significantly improved.

- Third-Party Preference Panes: Third-party System Preferences panes reportedly are now functional.

- Battery Life for Notebooks: A number of users have reported their battery life indicators estimating significantly longer run times than under previous Snow Leopard builds. This has not, however, been confirmed in actual battery life tests yet.

- New QuickTime Version: QuickTime X has been upgraded to Build 10.0 (42). There is no word on any visible changes in the new build.

Article Link: OS X Snow Leopard 10A402 Brings Visual Tweaks and Other Enhancements (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/10/os-x-snow-leopard-10a402-brings-visual-tweaks-and-other-enhancements/)

[Grimace]

$29 ready to GO!

[Sky Blue]

only about 2 months to go

[Shasterball]

OMG. Let me have it!!!!

[RobertCraigWils]

QuickSilver doesn't seem to show preferences still - do I need to uninstall it and reinstall it on top of the new build?

[Kilamite]

Can't wait. I'm sure we'll see Marble soon. There's hints of it in the iPhone OS, and Snow Leopard is packing a fair few changes to the GUI.

[badapple18]

Better battery life!!! holy crap i'm allready getting over 7 hours on my 13" mbp!!!!!!!! the other day i forgot to take my power adapter to work and i made it through the whole day with light to moderate use, i was tickled pink!!!!

[Krafty]

Anyone still experiencing trackpad issues?

[trapper.John]

Has anyone else lost the battery condition... mine was saying that i needed to get it check out but it have since disappeared...

[thejadedmonkey]

Better battery life!!! holy crap i'm allready getting over 7 hours on my 13" mbp!!!!!!!! the other day i forgot to take my power adapter to work and i made it through the whole day with light to moderate use, i was tickled pink!!!!

That's great, I had heard some people were reporting 5 hours max, so now I kinda want the 13" again...

And yeah. To snow leopard, or just get a new 13" Macbook... what to do, what to do....

[kemo]

Better battery life!!! holy crap i'm allready getting over 7 hours on my 13" mbp!!!!!!!! the other day i forgot to take my power adapter to work and i made it through the whole day with light to moderate use, i was tickled pink!!!!

Thats really awesome! Love SL with every new seed more and more, Ill be happy to spend 29 bucks for this awesomest OS I've ever seen!

[Sambo110]

I can't wait for it, only 2 or so months to go.

[kemo]

That's great, I had heard some people were reporting 5 hours max, so now I kinda want the 13" again...

And yeah. To snow leopard, or just get a new 13" Macbook... what to do, what to do....

Yeah, that makes me think about gettin 13'' Macbook, we will see, when SL comes officially..who knows, may they tune it up to 8 hours..:rolleyes:

[Shake 'n' Bake]

That new menu is giving hope to Marble. I really hope we see it.

I'd like the customization level of OS 9, although I doubt we'll see that.

I'm tired of the mix of Aqua and newer neutral colors. Just make the highlight in that menu and it'll look perfect. One thing I don't want however, is the flattened scroll bars.

[mrchinchilla]

I miss the way Aqua used to be...
I don't want a new GUI based on that Charcoal/HUD stuff.. :mad:

[mrtekkid]

I have grown entirely sick of the Aqua look. The first thing that I did with my new Mac was mod out the Aqua scroll bars for the iTunes scroll bars throughout the entire OS. It feels more uniform now that the brush metal look is finally gone too.

I think the iTunes scroll bars and/or the marble look would be awesome.

[adamw]

Looks like Apple has a winner on their hands. With each beta release Snow Leopard gets closer to a finished state. I look forward to the release version!

[irnchriz]

Finder Window Slider Button: The new-in-Snow Leopard Finder window slider button for adjusting icon sizes has now taken on a grey color as opposed to the standard blue buttons found elsewhere.

erm... it has taken on the exact slider as iPhoto. And carries out the resize function as in iPhoto. So, no, its not different from the sliders found elsewhere which provide this function.

Talk about desperate to find something new. Slow news day??

Jeeeeees

[admanimal]

Better battery life!!! holy crap i'm allready getting over 7 hours on my 13" mbp!!!!!!!! the other day i forgot to take my power adapter to work and i made it through the whole day with light to moderate use, i was tickled pink!!!!

It says better battery life compared to earlier builds of Snow Leopard, not that it improves battery life in general. Not to say that it won't, but that isn't what this article is saying.

[MovieCutter]

Works great for me. Battery says 3:50 with 99% life versus the 2:30 I was getting yesterday with the previous build.

[bfChris]

:eek: OH NO! They "fixed" Exposé? That's TERRIBLE!


We want all our windows to come together on one screen! It's supposed to be a shortcut so we don't have to look all over the place for our windows.

When a second monitor is absent for mechanical or portable reasons (especially an issue with MB/MBP), when an application has placed its windows on the absent monitor, Exposé as it is in Leopard allows their retrieval!

I pray that they make this "fix" reversible!! It's one of the reasons I hate that my Powerbook can't have Leopard (because I have a terrible time keeping a problem program's windows where I can get to them when I travel). :mad:

Chris
Macbook Pro 2.66 GHz Core 2 Duo
TiBook 667 MHz

[deadjoe2002]

I have grown entirely sick of the Aqua look. The first thing that I did with my new Mac was mod out the Aqua scroll bars for the iTunes scroll bars throughout the entire OS. It feels more uniform now that the brush metal look is finally gone too.

I think the iTunes scroll bars and/or the marble look would be awesome.

What program are you using to do this?

[zombitronic]

I like the look of the Dock contextual menu list view but I don't get the references to a HUD. Because it's semi-transparent? I thought the old view was also semi-transparent. Can anyone explain this?

[davegregoire]

You can now minimize into the dock icon with the new build. There is a new option in dock preferences that allows you to collapse into the icon like windows 7. No more open window apps on the ride side of the dock.

[ebev]

What program are you using to do this?

I don't know what mrtekkid uses but I use iLeopard to change my computer's theme.
http://littlekiwi.co.cc/page4/page4.html

[Krafty]

That new menu is giving hope to Marble. I really hope we see it.

I'd like the customization level of OS 9, although I doubt we'll see that.

I'm tired of the mix of Aqua and newer neutral colors. Just make the highlight in that menu and it'll look perfect. One thing I don't want however, is the flattened scroll bars.
Seriously, what is Marble? Cause I never heard Apple mention anything about Marble being a UI name.

[flottenheimer]

"...white text on a charcoal background"... please make it possible to apply this on a system-wide scale.
I would love a new OS X look.

[mrchinchilla]

Seriously, what is Marble? Cause I never heard Apple mention anything about Marble being a UI name.

Apparently, the UI that iLife 09 and iTunes (current release) uses.

[dwdrums]

With these new builds, anyone know if SL will automatically switch/choose between discrete and integrated graphics in the MBPs? Or dare I ask about Hybrid SLI? LOL I hope the new OS atleast can switch without having to log out.

Anyone? :)

[Krafty]

Apparently, the UI that iLife 09 and iTunes (current release) uses.

I know what they look like, but never knew it was called "Marble." I thought the UI changes in SL was just HUD styles.

[hamis92]

I miss the way Aqua used to be...
I don't want a new GUI based on that Charcoal/HUD stuff.. :mad:

Me too. I switched to Mac at the time of Tiger and I really loved the UI. Heck, I even liked brushed metal :P

[macintoshtoffy]

I know what they look like, but never knew it was called "Marble." I thought the UI changes in SL was just HUD styles.

Its been referred to as marble for over a year - ever since the first leaked rumours of a new UI coming out in Snow Leopard with grandiose claims that it'll appear at the last minute.

[mrchinchilla]

Me too. I switched to Mac at the time of Tiger and I really loved the UI. Heck, I even liked brushed metal :P

Well, you can get Leopard to revert back to the Aqua style of Tiger/Panther. It only changes the CoreUI and windows though.

[Krafty]

Apparently, the UI that iLife 09 and iTunes (current release) uses.

Its been referred to as marble for over a year - ever since the first leaked rumours of a new UI coming out in Snow Leopard with grandiose claims that it'll appear at the last minute.

Whenever someone mentions Marble I think of a UI based off of ths (http://www.mountdesertgb.com/images/marble/mystiquepark-marble.jpg).

[SiCbe]

I noticed, since the update, that my battery won't charge up to 100% but is stuck at 95% and saying it is "charged"...

I'm also experiencing a lot of beachball issues where my system just hangs for a minute or 2. Tried everything to fix it but haven't found a solution yet...


I really like the new HUD style... Goes well with the new designs of the laptops. Only thing I still don't like about the 3d dock is still present and had been since the release of leopard.

When using the List view... the items in the dock stay magnified when moving the mouse in the menu...

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=182070&stc=1&d=1247240597

But when using Fan or Grid view... the items in the dock pop back which annoys me a lot. It's just not "beautiful". Especially when you have your items hugely magnified.

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=182072&stc=1&d=1247240884


Any idea's why they haven't fixed this yet? :)

[mrchinchilla]

Whenever someone mentions Marble I think of a UI based off of ths (http://www.mountdesertgb.com/images/marble/mystiquepark-marble.jpg).

How about this? :D LOL

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3333642840_d905e48e47_o.jpg

I noticed, since the update, that my battery won't charge up to 100% but is stuck at 95% and saying it is "charged"...

That's normal, if you're battery is at 90% it sometimes won't charge it all the way, but if you've been draining the battery and it won't charge above 95% you should consider re-calibrating your battery.

[Krafty]

How about this? :D LOL

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3333642840_d905e48e47_o.jpg

Yep, thats the real Marble UI.

[kockgunner]

You can now minimize into the dock icon with the new build. There is a new option in dock preferences that allows you to collapse into the icon like windows 7. No more open window apps on the ride side of the dock.

This was in the last build too. I can't see it being useful since you can't tell whether an app has open windows or not.

I'm not sure about the marble theme either. It looks slick, but also makes OS X less fun to use. It's almost too grey and dead looking.

[slb]

Can't wait. I'm sure we'll see Marble soon. There's hints of it in the iPhone OS, and Snow Leopard is packing a fair few changes to the GUI.

There's no such thing as a "Marble" theme. It was a baseless rumor. It doesn't even make sense, because marble looks like this. (http://www.mountdesertgb.com/images/marble/mystiquepark-marble.jpg)

Seriously, what is Marble? Cause I never heard Apple mention anything about Marble being a UI name.

It was a rumor about a new interface revamp one of the Mac sites posted long ago when we knew little about Snow Leopard, and for some reason, nobody has let go of it.

[palmharbor]

Changes in colors used on icons etc are unimportant at best.
Sounds like mostly very superficial changes...who uses two monitors
anyway? Maybe Day Traders if there are any of those guys anymore.
If start up is not fast enough with 10.5 now, stop drinking so much
coffee.

[Nightkrawler]

Opening system preferences items from the context menu in the dock is now possible even when the system preferences isn't started.

[RebootD]

I was taught in design 101 never use small white text on a darker background. :)

It may work out just fine but it is like surfing the web and why most sites default to black text on white/off white background vs white on black. Black text is easier to read.

[mrchinchilla]

There's no such thing as a "Marble" theme. It was a baseless rumor. It doesn't even make sense, because marble looks like this. (http://www.mountdesertgb.com/images/marble/mystiquepark-marble.jpg)

Well using that belief, what does 'real' Aqua look like?
And what the hell would Aero be? :eek:

[bdkennedy1]

I think it's amazing that speed increases are being reported. The WWDC Developers Build was blazing fast as it was.

One thing I didn't see in any stories were the speed increases in file transfers with the new Finder. File transfer speed to my USB drive doubled. Hard drive to hard drive speed doubled.

[slb]

Well using that belief, what does 'real' Aqua look like?
And what the hell would Aero be? :eek:

Aqua has polished blue controls and translucency effects, so it's somewhat related to its name. Aero Glass tries to look like glass.

The point is that Marble was something that was first mentioned in a baseless rumor long ago, and everyone now attributes any minor visual changes to being "part of Marble." Probably what happened is that someone saw the Quicktime X interface and assumed the whole operating system was going to look like that, and they invented a name out of thin air to feed the rumor sites.

Marble doesn't exist. It's a fan invention.

[Krafty]

Marble doesn't exist. It's a fan invention. Agreed.
For the fans.

[mrchinchilla]

Aqua has polished blue controls and translucency effects, so it's somewhat related to its name. Aero Glass tries to look like glass.

The point is that Marble was something that was first mentioned in a baseless rumor long ago, and everyone now attributes any minor visual changes to being "part of Marble." Probably what happened is that someone saw the Quicktime X interface and assumed the whole operating system was going to look like that, and they invented a name out of thin air to feed the rumor sites.

Marble doesn't exist. It's a fan invention.

Just like Leopard was supposedly going to have the 'Illuminous' theme. Which wasn't far away from the truth :p
And I think that started with a rumor too, then a theme was made for ShapeShifter.

[NT1440]

It seems like they are slowly throwing marble, assuming it exsists, in there. those new menus look GREAT!:eek:

[mrchinchilla]

Opening system preferences items from the context menu in the dock is now possible even when the system preferences isn't started.

I've been wondering, does this new black HUD style blur objects in the background?

[Oh-es-Ten]

Opening system preferences items from the context menu in the dock is now possible even when the system preferences isn't started.

Fantastic! I had always wondered about this behaviour (opening System Prefs to THEN right click to open the one you wanted from the Dock Icon). This is much more intuitive. Bravo Snow Leopard Team!

[hobbbz]

I was taught in design 101 never use small white text on a darker background. :)

It may work out just fine but it is like surfing the web and why most sites default to black text on white/off white background vs white on black. Black text is easier to read.

That's a print thing.

[Supermacguy]

Please let it be so that i can set the dock item to open a window of the folder that it is, like 10.4.
If so, I rejoice!! If not, I still feature-that-was-removed-request-to-be-reinstated.

[samusb]

has anyone else been having airport/wifi issues with SL?
mine just keeps dropping the network and i have to run diagnostics or restart the router to get it back up
i've already deleted and re-made the profile and that didn't help
haven't checked to see whether the update helped yet.

[luxus]

I've been wondering, does this new black HUD style blur objects in the background?

funny.. the new menu blurs..
but the grid dont..

[Pooshka]

Wow, are we gonna get all the SL betas via Software Update now??? Cause this is just awesome!!

[jablko]

I hope this stops the occasional trackpad freezes I've been having since the last update. 10a314 gave me no problems at all, but 10a394 has had a few issues, especially with the trackpad.

I think the changes they've made to the dock and Expose are pretty useful, but they do take getting used to. The minimize-to-icon feature is probably not for everyone, so it's good that it's optional, but I like how it cleans up the dock.

[MrCrowbar]

That's a print thing.

True. On good display (i.e. high contrast, bright whites and dark blacks), it's better to have white on black text. This way, you don't have as much direct light making your eyes tired. Actually, a very dark gray can be better than true black so you have a better reference point.

Try the CTRL+ALT+CMD+8 Combo, you might like it. There's also an app from the makers of Quicksilver (Blacktree) that inverts the Hue so the other colors are somewhat correct.

[BTW]

Awesome, so we haven't seen the finished product just quite yet. Maybe they have some last minute major surprises in store for us (one more thing).

[The Flashing Fi]

I like.

I want. NOW!:D

[hawk eyes]

Fantastic! I had always wondered about this behaviour (opening System Prefs to THEN right click to open the one you wanted from the Dock Icon). This is much more intuitive. Bravo Snow Leopard Team!

It does that in Leopard right now. :)


I like the new white text on black dock menus, very swish.

From what I have seen they have put some of the contextual items from leopard into the "options" menu when you click dock items. That seems kind of silly to me because they are increasing the amount of clicks to access items.

[rerelease]

True. On good display (i.e. high contrast, bright whites and dark blacks), it's better to have white on black text. This way, you don't have as much direct light making your eyes tired. Actually, a very dark gray can be better than true black so you have a better reference point.

Try the CTRL+ALT+CMD+8 Combo, you might like it. There's also an app from the makers of Quicksilver (Blacktree) that inverts the Hue so the other colors are somewhat correct.

Damn, I had no idea this shortcut existed. Quite a shocker.

It is easier on the eyes but I still resent dark-coloured GUIs for applications.

[HLdan]

Me too. I switched to Mac at the time of Tiger and I really loved the UI. Heck, I even liked brushed metal :P

See, that's your problem. You haven't been a Mac user very long. Anyone coming from Windows XP will think Mac OS X in any form looks good. I came from Mac OS 8.5 all the way till now. Most people who were there since Mac OS X's inception will be tired of aqua by now. I want the entire UI of SL to be rid of aqua. The scroll bars suck, the traffic lights suck and the menu bar and the dock could be the same colorway as the stacks grid menu and new dock contextual menus.

[mrchinchilla]

See, that's your problem. You haven't been a Mac user very long. Anyone coming from Windows XP will think Mac OS X in any form looks good. I came from Mac OS 8.5 all the way till now. Most people who were there since Mac OS X's inception will be tired of aqua by now. I want the entire UI of SL to be rid of aqua. The scroll bars suck, the traffic lights suck and the menu bar and the dock could be the same colorway as the stacks grid menu and new dock contextual menus.

I've been using OS X ever since it was first released, and I'm not tired of Aqua one bit. I'm tired of how they've been progressively toning it down though.

[dogcowx]

A change to the Finder Window Slider button! Where do I sign the check? LOL! :) :)

I think from a news perspective, given the choice between detailing SIGNIFICANT changes and detailing ALL changes, I think I'd take SIGNIFICANT. ;)

[akira2501]

not stupid. they hear the outcry of customers and bloggers, and so they will at least slap a coat of paint on snow leopard (in addition to the under hood advancements). Eventually they will do it all in 10.7, but they will at least let some of it trickle into 10.6. I mean let's face it; at the end of the day it is still a business designed to make Jobs and stockholders money in the bank.

[corinhorn]

I was taught in design 101 never use small white text on a darker background. :)

It may work out just fine but it is like surfing the web and why most sites default to black text on white/off white background vs white on black. Black text is easier to read.Not for me. White text on a black background is easier on my eyes. So much easier in fact that I frequently invert my Mac's colors (command+option+control+8).

[masse]

Exciting. I don't like grey though.

[me_94501]

That's a print thing.

I actually find white text on a black background to make web pages unpleasant to read. I look up after reading such a page and see lines in my vision from the text. I use the Zap Colors bookmarklet (https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/zap.html#zap_colors) for those sites. White text on dark gray doesn't bother me, though (see also: Daring Fireball), and it'll probably work OK for menus and such--things you're not constantly staring at.

[masse]

I've been using OS X ever since it was first released, and I'm not tired of Aqua one bit. I'm tired of how they've been progressively toning it down though.

I thought panther was very pretty myself. I wish they would remake iTunes. Remember when iTunes was pretty?

[BRLawyer]

Opening system preferences items from the context menu in the dock is now possible even when the system preferences isn't started.

That's awesome; just like Mac OS 8! :) Bring it on, Apple!

MS IS DEAD. REALLY.

[gathart]

It doesn't sound very useful for your standard iMac, and personally, I can't see myself walking through a town looking at the marble program on my Macbook pro...

What am i missing??

[mrchinchilla]

I thought panther was very pretty myself. I wish they would remake iTunes. Remember when iTunes was pretty?

I miss those days..
This new theme they're implementing is so bland... It's really not like Apple at all.

[pdjudd]

Wow, are we gonna get all the SL betas via Software Update now??? Cause this is just awesome!!

If you are part of the developer program it looks like that's the case. So far it seems as if the last two seeds were done via Software Update.

[Buschmaster]

I might have to give this a shot now! I LOVE the idea of expose working properly on multiple monitors.

[Sky Blue]

I thought panther was very pretty myself. I wish they would remake iTunes. Remember when iTunes was pretty?

........
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2006/09/itunes4.jpg

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no

[coolfactor]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

[LanPhantom]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16)

Snow Leapord is gonna smoke Win7 like a fine Cuban

[coolfactor]

See, that's your problem. You haven't been a Mac user very long. Anyone coming from Windows XP will think Mac OS X in any form looks good. I came from Mac OS 8.5 all the way till now. Most people who were there since Mac OS X's inception will be tired of aqua by now. I want the entire UI of SL to be rid of aqua. The scroll bars suck, the traffic lights suck and the menu bar and the dock could be the same colorway as the stacks grid menu and new dock contextual menus.

I've been using Macs since 6.0.4 and I'm not tired of Aqua. Probably the thing I'm tired of most is that they hold back feature improvements to their applications between major OS updates. I'd prefer incremental improvements to Finder, Mail, etc. throughout the year rather than just bug fixes.

[Slurpy2k8]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

....Wow.

Why the hell don't you just take that $100 and donate it to charity or something, or buy someone a nice gift, instead of donating it to a corporation that already has an extremely healthy profit margins on all its products? You're certainly a 'special' type of consumer.

[needz]

I've been wondering, does this new black HUD style blur objects in the background?

Oh yes it does! Any ideas about the purpose?

[skitch]

No trackpad issues so far, but I've only been running the build for a few hours.

Battery life is also unknown, but the system is a hell of a lot snappier than in the past.

[bobertoq]

One step away from aqua!!

[Porco]

I hate white text on black. Charcoal is slightly better, but not much.

[mrchinchilla]

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http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2006/09/itunes4.jpg

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no

That looks great! Classic Apple! Apart from the brushed metal, that gets old.

[kemo]

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Snow Leapord is gonna smoke Win7 like a fine Cuban

Definitely mate! Win7 don't even have all features of 10.5 Leopard! They just copied couple of them!:cool:

[wankey]

Definitely mate! Win7 don't even have all features of 10.5 Leopard! They just copied couple of them!:cool:

Could the Apple fanboys please stand up... please stand up.... please stand up.

[kemo]

Could the Apple fanboys please stand up... please stand up.... please stand up.

No comment!

[twoodcc]

nice. i'll have to install this sometime this weekend

[JangoFett124]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

If I gave you a list of charities could you please donate the $100 difference to one of them instead. I beg of you.

[Wayfarer]

Opening system preferences items from the context menu in the dock is now possible even when the system preferences isn't started.

That's HOT! :eek::D

[Jayomat]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

dude, that is the biggest crap i've heared for a while! do something usefull instead!!!!!!!!

edit: omg, i re-read it... utter nonsense

[dwdrums]

With these new builds, anyone know if SL will automatically switch/choose between discrete and integrated graphics in the MBPs? Or dare I ask about Hybrid SLI? LOL I hope the new OS atleast can switch without having to log out.

Anyone? :)

BUMP. C'mon - lets talk about the real meaty stuff, not colors!

[DELLsFan]

Looks like Apple has a winner on their hands. With each beta release Snow Leopard gets closer to a finished state. I look forward to the release version!

Me too. Best $29 I'll ever have spent on an Apple product, methinks. :cool:

[Lokheed]

Safari has also been updated. 4.0.2's user agent specifies: 530.19, while SL's Safari reads: 531.1

[doug in albq]

so far I am not that impressed with the over-hyped Snow Leopard—no wonder it is less than $30!

WHERE ARE THE MULTIPLE OPTONS FOR FONT SMOOTHING STYLE?

Is Apple NOT going to give us options with Font smoothing as they did with all other versions of OS X? Even Windows gives options for it's version of Font smoothing.

If this is the case, I will not upgrade to SL, even though they are giving this dog away for almost free.

Apple's font smoothing is one of the main reasons keeping me from using windows. MS Windows 7 is not looking so bad now.

Also, the on / off toggle for font smoothing in SL does not look too good. Small fonts in a browser look like crap in SL.

[Dmac77]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I'm not reading through 4 pages of posts.

Safari has been updated to build 6531.1, from 6531.0 , but it's still Safari 4.0 .

I wonder why they didn't give us safari 4.0.2?

Don

[MacsRgr8]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

Nice :)

I'll be getting a full retail version too, as not all my Intel Macs came with 10.5 :o
So, 1 "upgrade" and 1 "full".

[timshundo]

so far I am not that impressed with the over-hyped Snow Leopard—no wonder it is less than $30!

WHERE ARE THE MULTIPLE OPTONS FOR FONT SMOOTHING STYLE?

Is Apple NOT going to give us options with Font smoothing as they did with all other versions of OS X? Even Windows gives options for it's version of Font smoothing.

If this is the case, I will not upgrade to SL, even though they are giving this dog away for almost free.

Apple's font smoothing is one of the main reasons keeping me from using windows. MS Windows 7 is not looking so bad now.

Also, the on / off toggle for font smoothing in SL does not look too good. Small fonts in a browser look like crap in SL.

"no wonder it is less than $30!"

Yes, no wonder it's $30 dollars. I don't see why your outraged.

Overhyped? There is barely any hype for SL compared to Tiger and Leopard.

You decide which OS you use by which one has better... font smoothing?

[mixel]

Changes in colors used on icons etc are unimportant at best.
Sounds like mostly very superficial changes...who uses two monitors
anyway? Maybe Day Traders if there are any of those guys anymore.
If start up is not fast enough with 10.5 now, stop drinking so much
coffee.
I know a lot of artists, musicians and 3D modellers who use two monitors.. I love having two monitors (imac and a 24" Samsung), it’s a jumble to have any less with a lot of the work I do.. I think you'd be surprised how many people work better like this.

None of these seem like big changes but im glad there's a crawl towards a slightly more modern looking interface.

[timshundo]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

That's beyond fanboyism. That's like... cult...ism. :P

[FSMBP]

....Wow.

Why the hell don't you just take that $100 and donate it to charity or something, or buy someone a nice gift, instead of donating it to a corporation that already has an extremely healthy profit margins on all its products? You're certainly a 'special' type of consumer.

LOL. That's what I was thinking. Apple has one of the highest margins for its industry. And that's just plain dumb - donate the money somewhere and be useful to society.

[mixel]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.
I'm usually the last person to use the "comparative worth" thing, but if Apple deem it worth a $30 upgrade I'm pretty sure that extra $100 would be a lot more valuable to a charity than Apple, who're already sitting on billions.

$100 can save multiple lives easily. But I'm just being devil's advocate.. I also like the idea of supporting Apple, I just think it's odd if they've explicitly offered it to you for less. You don't owe them if you're already a customer. :)

edit: haha ok I'm too slow.

[overcast]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

[Dmac77]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Agreed. It's not like Apple needs anymore money.

Don

[kemo]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

Well, better buy SL for 29 bucks and send that 100 bucks to Somalia - you'll save many lifes there!

[jrrdnx]

Snow Leapord is gonna smoke Win7 like a fine Cuban

Pure awesome!

[MacsRgr8]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Come on, guys.
Not too harsh.

It's like donating money to your favorite football club. Like paying too much money to Manchester United via buying a new home-shirt at the shop inside the stadium. :p
You KNOW you are paying far too much money for something you can get a lot cheaper... but you want to pay for it...

He is simply enthusiastic! And he is willing to pay more for something he really wants.

[Chase R]

Hopefully we will see that darker theme applied to all aspects of the OS. All we need is that and a replacement for Aqua... Disappearing scroll bars? (like iPhone).

[iGuardian]

How about this? :D LOL

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3333642840_d905e48e47_o.jpg


That actually looks very nice IMO

[kmiahali]

Can't wait for the new software to come out. already growing tired of OS X leopard

[Porco]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

That's the biggest exaggeration I've ever seen since the formation of the universe!


He is simply enthusiastic! And he is willing to pay more for something he really wants.

Yeah, I think it's nice when people are so enthusiastic. Regardless, there might be other good reasons for wanting a full retail install over an upgrade, depends exactly how they release it I guess.

[iGuardian]

Can't wait for the new software to come out. already growing tired of OS X leopard

At least you're on Leopard, I'm still on Tiger!

[overcast]

Come on, guys.
Not too harsh.

It's like donating money to your favorite football club. Like paying too much money to Manchester United via buying a new home-shirt at the shop inside the stadium. :p
You KNOW you are paying far too much money for something you can get a lot cheaper... but you want to pay for it...

He is simply enthusiastic! And he is willing to pay more for something he really wants.
It's not the same thing. If it was the same, he'd be going to the Manchester United game and giving the guy a $100 and tell them to keep the change for a $20 shirt. If they were charging $100 and he bought it for $100 knowing it's overpriced, then that is different.

[Mr. Gates]

I won't be getting a mac until I see the marble interface as the standard

[smitty078]

How about this? :D LOL

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3333642840_d905e48e47_o.jpg



What icon theme is that?

[NathanCH]

That looks TERRIBLE.

[Krafty]

I won't be getting a mac until I see the marble interface as the standard

There is no Marble UI.

[devburke]

There is no Marble UI.

There is no spoon.

[Sky Blue]

I won't be getting a mac until I see the marble interface as the standard

You mean the one the rumor sites made up and doesn't really exist?

[iGuardian]

There is no spoon.

The marble is a lie?

[MacsRgr8]

It's not the same thing. If it was the same, he'd be going to the Manchester United game and giving the guy a $100 and tell them to keep the change for a $20 shirt. If they were charging $100 and he bought it for $100 knowing it's overpriced, then that is different.

Don't take it too literally.

I just want to stress the fact that in someone's enthusiasm, he/she can willingly pay too much. If it is just because they want to support the cause more than usual (as this person does), or because the occasions leads you to do so, or whatever.... the fact is the person WANTS to do it.

And they have their reasons. And no-one should judge a person buy the way he/she willingly spends their cash.

[Ishimaru]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I'm not reading through 4 pages of posts.

Safari has been updated to build 6531.1, from 6531.0 , but it's still Safari 4.0 .

I wonder why they didn't give us safari 4.0.2?

DonUse WebKit nightlies if you want the latest and greatest. It's actually newer than Safari 4.0.2.

[Krafty]

There is no spoon.

/care

[BRLawyer]

so far I am not that impressed with the over-hyped Snow Leopard—no wonder it is less than $30!

WHERE ARE THE MULTIPLE OPTONS FOR FONT SMOOTHING STYLE?

Is Apple NOT going to give us options with Font smoothing as they did with all other versions of OS X? Even Windows gives options for it's version of Font smoothing.



I have no idea what you talk about in terms of "font smoothing options"...what I would ask instead is: why do fonts look SO bad in every version of Windows when compared with OS X?

[vansouza]

dude, that is the biggest crap i've heared for a while! do something usefull instead!!!!!!!!

edit: omg, i re-read it... utter nonsense

Relax; it is his money, he earned it; he alone will decide where and how he spends it. And we have no idea that he might already be donating to God knows how many charities.

[masse]

........
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2006/09/itunes4.jpg

....



no

think iTunes 5.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2006/09/itunes5.jpg

vs. iTunes 8

http://images.apple.com/au/itunes/whatsnew/images/whatsnew-genius-20090311.jpg

No contest. iTunes 5 was beautiful.

[DMann]

The marble is a lie?Much more looking forward to the upcoming Iridium interface:

http://www.digimindsoft.com/images/src/spaceplasma3dmac/1.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090406/bumptop-desk2_610x461.png

[heisetax]

There's no such thing as a "Marble" theme. It was a baseless rumor. It doesn't even make sense, because marble looks like this. (http://www.mountdesertgb.com/images/marble/mystiquepark-marble.jpg)



It was a rumor about a new interface revamp one of the Mac sites posted long ago when we knew little about Snow Leopard, and for some reason, nobody has let go of it.

I use 4 to 7 monitors with my Intel Mac Pro. I'm in the Income tax prep/accounting field. Try a few displays, you'll like the increased work space.

[Krafty]

I use 4 to 7 monitors with my Intel Mac Pro. I'm in the Income tax prep/accounting field. Try a few displays, you'll like the increased work space.

He's not talking about the workspace, just the overhyped imaginary "Marble" theme.

[kemo]

Much more looking forward to the upcoming Iridium interface:

http://www.digimindsoft.com/images/src/spaceplasma3dmac/1.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090406/bumptop-desk2_610x461.png

Looks fanstastic! But I didnt found any mention about it, is that real?

[Sky Blue]

think iTunes 5.


vs. iTunes 8


No contest. iTunes 5 was beautiful.


They look identical, apart from the superior scroll bars in 8.

[zedsdead]

What Apple needs to change in the interface of iTunes is the giant section at the top that display playback, syncing, and other information. It looks like like a dot matrix display from an old nintendo gameboy. Needs a BIG facelift (should look more like the iPhone's playback controls whole listening to music).

[Shake 'n' Bake]

so far I am not that impressed with the over-hyped Snow Leopard—no wonder it is less than $30!

WHERE ARE THE MULTIPLE OPTONS FOR FONT SMOOTHING STYLE?

Is Apple NOT going to give us options with Font smoothing as they did with all other versions of OS X? Even Windows gives options for it's version of Font smoothing.

If this is the case, I will not upgrade to SL, even though they are giving this dog away for almost free.

Apple's font smoothing is one of the main reasons keeping me from using windows. MS Windows 7 is not looking so bad now.

Also, the on / off toggle for font smoothing in SL does not look too good. Small fonts in a browser look like crap in SL.

Not sure this is what you're looking for...


What Apple needs to change in the interface of iTunes is the giant section at the top that display playback, syncing, and other information. It looks like like a dot matrix display from an old nintendo gameboy. Needs a BIG facelift (should look more like the iPhone's playback controls whole listening to music).

And make it a color thing? That would look terrible with the grayish theme OS X has now. If we had Marble, and Marble brought black windows (which I wouldn't like) then it would good.

[DELLsFan]

There is no spoon.

hahah :D

[NathanCH]

Much more looking forward to the upcoming Iridium interface:

http://www.digimindsoft.com/images/src/spaceplasma3dmac/1.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090406/bumptop-desk2_610x461.png

Gross.

Does anyone here care about practicality or do you guys only consider looks?

[BRLawyer]

Come on, guys.
Not too harsh.

It's like donating money to your favorite football club. Like paying too much money to Manchester United via buying a new home-shirt at the shop inside the stadium. :p
You KNOW you are paying far too much money for something you can get a lot cheaper... but you want to pay for it...

He is simply enthusiastic! And he is willing to pay more for something he really wants.

It's amazing how many people took that comment seriously...EVEN if he wanted he wouldn't be able to pay more to Apple...they would send the check back to his house. Go figure, people...

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Gross.

Does anyone here care about practicality or do you guys only consider looks?

You do realize that the top picture (I'm pretty sure) is from the iTunes 8 visualizer, right?

[BRLawyer]

You do realize that the top picture (I'm pretty sure) is from the iTunes 8 visualizer, right?

Indeed...

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Indeed...

Being text, I can't sense if there is any sarcasm in there.

[Eidorian]

so far I am not that impressed with the over-hyped Snow Leopard—no wonder it is less than $30!

WHERE ARE THE MULTIPLE OPTONS FOR FONT SMOOTHING STYLE?

Is Apple NOT going to give us options with Font smoothing as they did with all other versions of OS X? Even Windows gives options for it's version of Font smoothing.

If this is the case, I will not upgrade to SL, even though they are giving this dog away for almost free.

Apple's font smoothing is one of the main reasons keeping me from using windows. MS Windows 7 is not looking so bad now.

Also, the on / off toggle for font smoothing in SL does not look too good. Small fonts in a browser look like crap in SL.It is somewhat annoying that Apple doesn't want you to touch anything when it comes to customizing OS X. Then again that leaves it open to anyone willing to use Terminal. :cool:

[BRLawyer]

Being text, I can't sense if there is any sarcasm in there.

No sarcasm intended. And font smoothing is already available on Appearance...what gives?

[Shake 'n' Bake]

No sarcasm intended. And font smoothing is already available on Appearance...what gives?

Really. Of people would just take the time to look around. And oh no, search.

[Goona]

so far I am not that impressed with the over-hyped Snow Leopard—no wonder it is less than $30!

WHERE ARE THE MULTIPLE OPTONS FOR FONT SMOOTHING STYLE?

Is Apple NOT going to give us options with Font smoothing as they did with all other versions of OS X? Even Windows gives options for it's version of Font smoothing.

If this is the case, I will not upgrade to SL, even though they are giving this dog away for almost free.

Apple's font smoothing is one of the main reasons keeping me from using windows. MS Windows 7 is not looking so bad now.

Also, the on / off toggle for font smoothing in SL does not look too good. Small fonts in a browser look like crap in SL.

Overhyped?

[Quillz]

I have no idea what you talk about in terms of "font smoothing options"...what I would ask instead is: why do fonts look SO bad in every version of Windows when compared with OS X?
I don't think they look bad at all.

But to answer your question, Apple uses Quartz for font smoothing, while Microsoft uses ClearType. Different font smoothing techniques, but both look fine on their respective platforms.

As for "font smoothing options," he's referring to how Leopard gave you various choices in terms of the amount of smoothing: heavy, medium, light, etc. But in Snow Leopard, you don't have that anymore. It's either on or off.

Of course, what does Windows have to do at all with this thread, which is about Snow Leopard?

[BRLawyer]

Really. Of people would just take the time to look around. And oh no, search.

Yep, search. Spotlight ALONE is worth more than any version of Windows...don't even remind of my Outlook searches when at work...finding a specific email is a mess.

[G5Unit]

Yep, thats the real Marble UI.

Wow that almost looks ok.

[BRLawyer]

I don't think they look bad at all.

But to answer your question, Apple uses Quartz for font smoothing, while Microsoft uses ClearType. Different font smoothing techniques, but both look fine on their respective platforms.

As for "font smoothing options," he's referring to how Leopard gave you various choices in terms of the amount of smoothing: heavy, medium, light, etc. But in Snow Leopard, you don't have that anymore. It's either on or off.

Of course, what does Windows have to do at all with this thread, which is about Snow Leopard?

Thanks for the info, I don't have SL here because SL doesn't exist yet. I think this is worth complaining only when the beast is out...not now when it's just an unreleased beta.

[MrCrowbar]

I have no idea what you talk about in terms of "font smoothing options"...what I would ask instead is: why do fonts look SO bad in every version of Windows when compared with OS X?

In Leopard, when you open the Appearance Preferences, on the bottom you can choose between font smoothing styles. Font Smoothing is done by using the sub-pixels (red, green, blue) inside every pixel for finer smoothing. Depending on your display type, you may need different font smoothing because your display has the red green and blue sub-pixels the other way around, or you're using a CRT with alternating pixel grids (actually, many HDTVs do that too).

Anyway, this option is very important for people using an external display in portrait mode (i.e. turned 90°). Makes the text sharper. The "ClearType" in windows doesn't really do it right and makes those green and pink artefacts and the text just looks blurry.

More about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering

On a side note, I see no difference when changing the "Font smoothing style" in Leopard, neither on the Macbook's display, nor on the external. Maybe that's why they took it out?

[Quillz]

Seriously, what is Marble? Cause I never heard Apple mention anything about Marble being a UI name.
It's nothing. It's just some "mythical" UI that people are convinced Apple is working on, which they aren't. All we are seeing are Aqua refinements, improvements and evolutions. People are kidding themselves with all this "Marble" talk.

[UnexpectedHuman]

I was taught in design 101 never use small white text on a darker background. :)


This, of course, is doubly true for any computers that might happen to have ultra-reflective glassy displays... a brighter background will cut down on reflections...

[Quillz]

Thanks for the info, I don't have SL here because SL doesn't exist yet. I think this is worth complaining only when the beast is out...not now when it's just an unreleased beta.
True, but it's likely the options will remain this way for good. Apple tends to simplify many choices, so I somehow can't see them reverting back to the old behavior.

Chances are they changed it because a small percentage of users actually messed with sub-pixel rendering.

[Shake 'n' Bake]

It's nothing. It's just some "mythical" UI that people are convinced Apple is working on, which they aren't. All we are seeing are Aqua refinements, improvements and evolutions. People are kidding themselves with all this "Marble" talk.

Or maybe the people on the other side of this argument are kidding themselves.

[Krafty]

Or maybe the people on the other side of this argument are kidding themselves.

I almost lol'd.

[aardwolf]

Look at it this way. How stupid would it be for Apple to display Snow Leopard for everyone in the world to see a few weeks back, and forget to include a total UI graphical overhaul? It's not going to happen. There is no marble, and if there is it won't make Snow Leopard. :-)

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Look at it this way. How stupid would it be for Apple to display Snow Leopard for everyone in the world to see a few weeks back, and forget to include a total UI graphical overhaul? It's not going to happen. There is no marble, and if there is it won't make Snow Leopard. :-)

The same thing happened with Leopard. It was shown with Tiger's GUI and then changed.

[doug in albq]

Really. Of people would just take the time to look around. And oh no, search.


No.

Go look again.

in SL there are no OPTIONS (i.e. Automatic, Standard, Light, medium, strong) for font smoothing, there is only "on" or "off"

and

it is obvious that very few of you have any real knowledge of typography besides a cursory knowledge of the 10 web-fonts you look at all day long.

Is Apple actually abandoning its original core user base, that being graphic artists?

Thanks Apple, for dumbing down the OS for your new core user base of "joe (non graphic designer) 6-pack."

[Shake 'n' Bake]

No.

Go look again.

in SL there are no OPTIONS (i.e. Automatic, Standard, Light, medium, strong) for font smoothing, there is only "on" or "off"

and

it is obvious that very few of you have any real knowledge of typography besides a cursory knowledge of the 10 web-fonts you look at all day long.

Is Apple actually abandoning its original core user base, that being graphic artists?

Thanks Apple, for dumbing down the OS for your new core user base of "joe (non graphic designer) 6-pack."

I'm using Leopard and don't have SL, if that's what you're saying.

You mean Joe the Plumber :).

[slackpacker]

- Third-Party Preference Panes: Third-party System Preferences panes reportedly are now functional.

So what does this really mean?

[doug in albq]

(for shake n Bake)

So I guess in you quest to be a mega-fanboy you decided to toss knowledge out the window.....

duh, this thread is about SL, not the OS we all have already, that being 10.5

[Quillz]

No.
Is Apple actually abandoning its original core user base, that being graphic artists?


Yes, and this has been painfully obvious since the return of Steve Jobs in 1997. Going after "John Q. Average" is a far more lucrative and profitable market than is one based around graphic designers and so-called "professionals."

[doug in albq]

I know for a fact that the look of fonts on OS X is a main reason for all types of graphic designers sticking with Mac.

If Apple dumbs-down this one unique aspect of OS X I will seriously consider moving over to Windows...

Adobe is already more in the Windows camp than in Apple's camp.....not much reason to stay for me if the look of fonts gets the dumb-down!

[Krafty]

I know for a fact that the look of fonts on OS X is a main reason for all types of graphic designers sticking with Mac.

If Apple dumbs-down this one unique aspect of OS X I will seriously consider moving over to Windows...

Adobe is already more in the Windows camp than in Apple's camp.....not much reason to stay for me if the look of fonts gets the dumb-down!

Or you could just stick with Leopard. You don't have to upgrade.

/inb4 flame
//inb4 i need latest n greatest n tits

[BRLawyer]

Yes, and this has been painfully obvious since the return of Steve Jobs in 1997. Going after "John Q. Average" is a far more lucrative and profitable market than is one based around graphic designers and so-called "professionals."

You mean the same "professionals" that abandoned Apple in the late 90s for Windows, just like Adobe did?

[BRLawyer]

Or you could just stick with Leopard. You don't have to upgrade.

/inb4 flame
//inb4 i need latest n greatest n tits

Krafty, who is that blonde avatar? She looks kinda pretty.

[doug in albq]

Or you could just stick with Leopard. You don't have to upgrade.

/inb4 flame
//inb4 i need latest n greatest n tits

Correct, and this is where I am at right now. I will not upgrade to SL...But, down the road when I need a new machine (and maybe new OS choice) I will have to make this decision.

[Krafty]

Krafty, who is that blonde avatar? She looks kinda pretty.

Look in the sig. One of my favorite actresses/idols/inspirations.

[frou]

On a side note, I see no difference when changing the "Font smoothing style" in Leopard, neither on the Macbook's display, nor on the external. Maybe that's why they took it out?For some reason, you have to reboot, or at least log out/in, for it to take effect.

The differences are thoroughly noticeable.

[Eidorian]

Yep, search. Spotlight ALONE is worth more than any version of Windows...don't even remind of my Outlook searches when at work...finding a specific email is a mess.Now if searching in Mail worked like it did in Tiger. I can't find my mail anymore. ;_;

Yes, and this has been painfully obvious since the return of Steve Jobs in 1997. Going after "John Q. Average" is a far more lucrative and profitable market than is one based around graphic designers and so-called "professionals."If you have the income for it.

You mean the same "professionals" that abandoned Apple in the late 90s for Windows, just like Adobe did?I can see it happening again. It's tough when you see them eying the single socket Bloomfield/Gainestown systems.

Looks like Apple is pushing yet another flavor of the month with the GUI styling. I know there are going to be complaints if it's not properly implemented system and application wide. Blue scroll bars and aqua buttons come to mind.

[iBug2]

The new build also includes new graphics drivers. Multisampling works on games now. Also the quartz seems more responsive now. It's getting close to a finished product.

[Eidorian]

The new build also includes new graphics drivers. Multisampling works on games now. Also the quartz seems more responsive now. It's getting close to a finished product.Anything on the Intel GMA drivers?

[lowbatteries]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

If you send me that $100 I will make sure it get's into Apple's hands safe and sound. Maybe half of a new iPhone 3GS, or a MobileMe subscription - but I promise it will be well spent.

Could the Apple fanboys please stand up... please stand up.... please stand up.

Um, we're standing all around you? You're in our house, man!

No comment!

Funny thing to say in a COMMENT. :)

That's beyond fanboyism. That's like... cult...ism. :P

'Fan' is short for fanatic. People in cults are fanatics. So really ... what's the difference?

[MrCrowbar]

For some reason, you have to reboot, or at least log out/in, for it to take effect.

The differences are thoroughly noticeable.

Ah, good to know, thanks. Doesn't say anywhere I need to reboot, not even in the Documentation.

[Shake 'n' Bake]

(for shake n Bake)

So I guess in you quest to be a mega-fanboy you decided to toss knowledge out the window.....

duh, this thread is about SL, not the OS we all have already, that being 10.5

I'm about as far from a fanboy as you can get. I can expand if you like.

And if you care (which I'm sure you don't), It sounded like the person I quoted was talking about Leopard. :rolleyes:

[timshundo]

If you look a tad closer at the new list style, you'll notice a few things. Not only is the list transparent so that you can see what's behind it, but this is the first UI in OS X that slightly blurs what's behind it as well in a Windows Vista fashion. It should also be noted that the list view blurs it's backgrounds but the grid view does not (yet).

Also, the clear, transparent border of the list view is incredibly sloppy for some reason, especially around the arrow attached to the bottom. It's almost as if the graphics are being redrawn or resized on the spot, which I believe could be hinting towards some form of Resolution Independence we've been speculating over for the past couple of years.

There is something amiss with this new style and I'm going to get to the bottom of it, but I can say for sure that it was designed separately from the grid view style, even though they are very much identical. I suspect we'll be seing more of this "HUD" style in other various places soon...

[Chris Grande]

Ah, good to know, thanks. Doesn't say anywhere I need to reboot, not even in the Documentation.

Applications launched after the settings change use the new setting. If you change the setting then quit and open an app it will show with the new settings.

[karlfranz]

You can now minimize into the dock icon with the new build. There is a new option in dock preferences that allows you to collapse into the icon like windows 7. No more open window apps on the ride side of the dock.

You can already do this in Leopard by pressing cmd-H.

[felt.]

issues with smb / netauthagent after wake from sleep seem to be sorted

[hamis92]

If you look a tad closer at the new list style, you'll notice a few things. Not only is the list transparent so that you can see what's behind it, but this is the first UI in OS X that slightly blurs what's behind it as well in a Windows Vista fashion.

Leopard menus have blurred their background since 10.5.0. It's nothing new, although it might be more visible with dark menus. Also the menu bar blurs its backround in Leopard (you can switch it off if you don't like it).

[iBug2]

Anything on the Intel GMA drivers?

No clue. I don't have a machine to test those.

[CPD_1]

You can already do this in Leopard by pressing cmd-H.

Leopard menus have blurred their background since 10.5.0. It's nothing new, although it might be more visible with dark menus. Also the menu bar blurs its backround in Leopard (you can switch it off if you don't like it).

Wow, sure enough. I'm above my "You Learn Something New Everyday" quota.

[NathanCH]

Seems to me like Apple took out a lot of features from Leopard.

[Quillz]

You can already do this in Leopard by pressing cmd-H.
Actually, that hides the window. Hiding has been around in Unix systems for years. I recall a NeXTstep demonstration from 1992 that had the exact same feature.

It more or less functions the same, but hiding is not truly the same thing as minimizing.

[visitronix]

Anything on the Intel GMA drivers?

Looks like they FINALLY got it right!

The issue with weird random black lines when encoding videos in iPhoto or iMovie on my black MacBook 2.4 GHz is resolved !

I can also play FULLSCREEN HD movies on Hulu with ABSOLUTELY NO JERKINESS!

[Quillz]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

Okay, enjoy throwing your money away.

You do realize that the "markup" you so happily want to pay to Apple comes from their hardware and not their software, right?

[Quillz]

Yep, search. Spotlight ALONE is worth more than any version of Windows...don't even remind of my Outlook searches when at work...finding a specific email is a mess.
Instant Search (first demonstrated by Microsoft in 2002 but taken to market first by Apple) works more or less the same, so now both platforms can benefit greatly from improved searching capabilities.

[Quillz]

You mean the same "professionals" that abandoned Apple in the late 90s for Windows, just like Adobe did?
My point, exactly. Since Apple switched their target market, the original market has gone and left.

As much as I like their Intel machines, it's clear it was a new era when they stopped PowerPC support. The PowerPC machines really felt expensive, the Intel machines... not so much.

[ColinM]

So I can't tell if this is new or not.

Quicktime X is playing .wmv just fine. I don't think Leopard does this, and I'm not using Flip4Mac.

[MacFly123]

That new menu is giving hope to Marble. I really hope we see it.

I'd like the customization level of OS 9, although I doubt we'll see that.

I'm tired of the mix of Aqua and newer neutral colors. Just make the highlight in that menu and it'll look perfect. One thing I don't want however, is the flattened scroll bars.

AMEN! I just asked earlier this week if there was still a chance we could see "Marble" in Snow Leopard. This is giving me hope that it actually might still happen.

It is not that hard to reskin is it? It doesn't require a lot of bug testing or time etc. Or am I wrong? Anyone here have any wisdom to offer me on the subject?

I think these new changes look very good! :D Please Apple just make it ALL CONSISTENT, not all mismatched like it is right now with flat, and aqua, and everything else. :(

[curmi]

I really like the new HUD style... Goes well with the new designs of the laptops. Only thing I still don't like about the 3d dock is still present and had been since the release of leopard.

When using the List view... the items in the dock stay magnified when moving the mouse in the menu...

But when using Fan or Grid view... the items in the dock pop back which annoys me a lot. It's just not "beautiful". Especially when you have your items hugely magnified.

Any idea's why they haven't fixed this yet? :)

Did you log a bug with them over it? Have you logged it for the latest beta that you are using? You have to log your bugs through AppleSeed or BugTracker, otherwise the SL Teams probably won't know about it.

[chaosconan]

I want a netbook really badly. :(
But I want an Apple netbook that is if its going to be made. I don't hear any news that Apple will be coming out with one. :confused:

So, should I just buy a lenovo S10 netbook and install hackintosh. I have installed hackintosh on a desktop but can't run the latest version of Apple software cause its not the current release.

:mad:

if they're not going to come out with a netbook then at least they should support running Mac OS X on netbook's out there from other vendors.

[ColinEC]

Great to see some small UI improvements.

I know many of you many not like this, but I'd love a MobileMe-like theme such as Kevin Andersson's mockup:

http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mobilemetheme250808t.png (http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/2008/08/25/wip-mobile-me-theme-for-facade/)

[Sky Blue]

yeah, that's horrid.

[mrchinchilla]

Great to see some small UI improvements.

I know many of you many not like this, but I'd love a MobileMe-like theme such as Kevin Andersson's mockup:

http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mobilemetheme250808t.png (http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/2008/08/25/wip-mobile-me-theme-for-facade/)

Platinum looked better than this.

[NathanCH]

Decent but has some major design flaws. As long they make an option to keep the current theme, then that's fine

[chaosconan]

Great to see some small UI improvements.

I know many of you many not like this, but I'd love a MobileMe-like theme such as Kevin Andersson's mockup:

http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mobilemetheme250808t.png (http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/2008/08/25/wip-mobile-me-theme-for-facade/)

Damn that HD icon is HUGE. :eek: Are you having a problem finding it on your desktop. :confused:

[inkswamp]

Actually, that hides the window. Hiding has been around in Unix systems for years. I recall a NeXTstep demonstration from 1992 that had the exact same feature.

It more or less functions the same, but hiding is not truly the same thing as minimizing.

The Classic Mac OS had the hiding feature too. It's nothing new, for sure. Anyone care to post description or screen shots of how this minimize to application feature works? How does it differ from hiding the application and its windows?

[Krafty]

Great to see some small UI improvements.

I know many of you many not like this, but I'd love a MobileMe-like theme such as Kevin Andersson's mockup:



Text is a little hard to read.

[iGuardian]

The Classic Mac OS had the hiding feature too. It's nothing new, for sure. Anyone care to post description or screen shots of how this minimize to application feature works? How does it differ from hiding the application and its windows?

I've seen a vid on youtube on this. When you click the minimize button, the window does the genie effect only it goes into the icon. I.e. a finder window will genie into the finder icon in the dock. But there's no difference in the icon to indicate if something's minimized into it though.

[slackpacker]

Okay, enjoy throwing your money away.

You do realize that the "markup" you so happily want to pay to Apple comes from their hardware and not their software, right?

Are you insane? Oh yes you are.

[slackpacker]

Damn that HD icon is HUGE. :eek: Are you having a problem finding it on your desktop. :confused:

sorta sucks sorry but Leopard is fine as it is now. Purchase Pathfinder if you want more it works fine.

[slackpacker]

Platinum looked better than this.

No way nice try. Leopard is fine as it is. I would rather have some paid engineers design my OS

[slackpacker]

Great to see some small UI improvements.

I know many of you many not like this, but I'd love a MobileMe-like theme such as Kevin Andersson's mockup:

http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mobilemetheme250808t.png (http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/2008/08/25/wip-mobile-me-theme-for-facade/)

I say NO.......... finally!! Look at the menu bars they are huge.... what a mess

[HLdan]

No way, that's just a hideous mess.

[*LTD*]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

Please tell me you're kidding. :confused:

[Shake 'n' Bake]

AMEN! I just asked earlier this week if there was still a chance we could see "Marble" in Snow Leopard. This is giving me hope that it actually might still happen.

It is not that hard to reskin is it? It doesn't require a lot of bug testing or time etc. Or am I wrong? Anyone here have any wisdom to offer me on the subject?

I think these new changes look very good! :D Please Apple just make it ALL CONSISTENT, not all mismatched like it is right now with flat, and aqua, and everything else. :(

I do a bit of work in HyperCard, and getting an user-friendly interface for a seemingly simple Tic-Tac-Toe game took me months to complete.

Damn that HD icon is HUGE. :eek: Are you having a problem finding it on your desktop. :confused:

I have mine the same size on my Mac mini. It is 128x128.

[*LTD*]

Great to see some small UI improvements.

I know many of you many not like this, but I'd love a MobileMe-like theme such as Kevin Andersson's mockup:

http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mobilemetheme250808t.png (http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/2008/08/25/wip-mobile-me-theme-for-facade/)

Completely unusable.

[SnowLeopard2008]

SL seems to be making excellent progress. Too bad I don't have an extra machine available to test. If only my white MacBook wasn't being used heavily by my Dad. 2/3 machines in daily use in our house are macs. Go Apple!

[ColinM]

.wmv Playback.

Was it in previous builds? I can't remember.

Edit:
Nevermind. :( Turns out I still had Flip4Mac, but it wasn't visible through spotlight or the likes.

[Sky Blue]

.wmv Playback.

Was it in previous builds? I can't remember.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjgRSOGzjE

Doesn't work for me. Points me to Flip for Mac and then says Quicktime is not installed.

[twump]

Will the retail version of Snow Leopard, when it is available in September, allow those running the developer preview to upgrade straight from the beta?

[ajhenr]

Will the retail version of Snow Leopard, when it is available in September, allow those running the developer preview to upgrade straight from the beta?

No. They mentioned it at WWDC.

[twump]

No. They mentioned it at WWDC.

Will they then need to downgrade to Leopard, and then upgrade from 10.5 to the retail build of Snow Leopard?

[Sky Blue]

Will the retail version of Snow Leopard, when it is available in September, allow those running the developer preview to upgrade straight from the beta?

Hopefully not.

[twump]

Hopefully not.

Why hopefully not?

[str1f3]

Great to see some small UI improvements.

I know many of you many not like this, but I'd love a MobileMe-like theme such as Kevin Andersson's mockup:

http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mobilemetheme250808t.png (http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/2008/08/25/wip-mobile-me-theme-for-facade/)

Way too dark and hideous.

[SnowLeopard2008]

Will they then need to downgrade to Leopard, and then upgrade from 10.5 to the retail build of Snow Leopard?

Or you can just launch Disk Utility straight from the retail SL disc, wipe + partition the drive and install SL. No need for downgrade. I assume most people who aren't developers. but got their hands on SL, and need to upgrade to retail SL knows about using Disk Utility from the retail OS disc.

[ariesdude82]

I've installed the new build of snow leopard on my macbook (the white one) and i've noticed that it takes A LOT longer to boot up than with regular leopard. Anyone else have this issue?

[Mr. Gates]

I think I speak for everyone on this site by saying that this is a sad attempt to match the perfection of Windows 7 . It can not be done. Mac falls short once again. HA Ha:p

[intel]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16)

Snow Leapord is gonna smoke Win7 like a fine Cuban

Some how i disagree with you.... as long as finder sucks balls compared to windows explorer, and as long as quicktime x doesn't have video brightness adjust, i will completely disagree with you.

The simplest most basic and very essential functions are lacking from a lot of apple software. It's like a mug not having a handle. so what if the coffee is good, i would still love to have a handle on my mug... Please give us options apple... let us place anything on the dock in any location and not just apps. I want to put a folder next to finder icon... won't let me.. i want to cut and paste folders with append not overwrite, please give us a tick box in settings to let us do that if you don't want to make it default. and frikin return brightness adjust, I want to see all the dark spots in movies to see how the directors ****ed up. i don't want to see just black in a dark spot in a movie i want a fine adjustment to have a perfect view. Windows 7 has all these features and are well implemented. so does hackzor's linux.

Please please. it's not a lot to ask for. Yes i would like cream in my coffee too. Give us more UI options too, stop being like north korea's **** stain.

[SnowLeopard2008]

I think I speak for everyone on this site by saying that this is a sad attempt to match the perfection of Windows 7 . It can not be done. Mac falls short once again. HA Ha:p

Match what? Sorry, my latest Webster's dictionary has Microsoft and Windows as synonymous to BSoD, virus-ridden, low-quality, overpriced, Apple-copying-and-failing, and monopoly.

[SnowLeopard2008]

Some how i disagree with you.... as long as finder sucks balls compared to windows explorer, and as long as quicktime x doesn't have video brightness adjust, i will completely disagree with you.

The simplest most basic and very essential functions are lacking from a lot of apple software. It's like a mug not having a handle. so what if the coffee is good, i would still love to have a handle on my mug... Please give us options apple... let us place anything on the dock in any location and not just apps. I want to put a folder next to finder icon... won't let me.. i want to cut and paste folders with append not overwrite, please give us a tick box in settings to let us do that if you don't want to make it default. and frikin return brightness adjust, I want to see all the dark spots in movies to see how the directors ****ed up. i don't want to see just black in a dark spot in a movie i want a fine adjustment to have a perfect view. Windows 7 has all these features and are well implemented. so does hackzor's linux.

Please please. it's not a lot to ask for. Yes i would like cream in my coffee too. Give us more UI options too, stop being like north korea's **** stain.

Mac OS is missing cut/paste, but Windows is missing stuff Mac has as well. Not just one-sided. The dock is divided, so you can only put non-apps on the right, since most people are right handed.

BTW, in Quicktime 7, you CAN adjust brightness in a movie/video. Just go to Window > Show A/V Controls. Or simply Cmd+K. The video brightness adjustment bar is the top-right corner.

[twump]

Or you can just launch Disk Utility straight from the retail SL disc, wipe + partition the drive and install SL. No need for downgrade. I assume most people who aren't developers. but got their hands on SL, and need to upgrade to retail SL knows about using Disk Utility from the retail OS disc.

In that case, if they don't want to lose their files, system settings, and applications, how will they upgrade from the preview to the final retail build?

[SnowLeopard2008]

some one has an inferiority complex .........do you have a mac?

I like to solve problems. You like to create problems. Let's agree to disagree.

Windows is such a mess with the DLLs, Registry, and tremendously huge gaping holes in the architecture that allow for viruses. If I have to sacrifice cut/paste to not have DLLs, registries, and viruses, I think that's fair. Each OS has disadvantages and advantages, if you are too blinded to see that, then let's stop here. I'm not saying Windows nor SL is perfect, just that SL is farther ahead.

[dudemac]

Is there any word on when stacks will work the way that they where demoed before the actual release of leopard? I mean right now stacks are just a modified front end to folders in the dock. Instead of being a new function it actually makes things harder and more cluttered.

I want arbitrary selection of stuff and then just drop it in the dock to create a "stack". Just like SJ did in his keynote showing off the prerelease of leopard 2yrs ago. This would be so much more useful than what we are currently stuck with.

IMO they should have left folders in the Dock alone and Added the "stacks" functionality as shown. Instead they compromised on this and we ended up with folders that didn't' work right in the doc for several updates.

Anyway this just pisses me off that this is not going to be fixed in SL.

thedude

[SnowLeopard2008]

In that case, if they don't want to lose their files, system settings, and applications, how will they upgrade from the preview to the final retail build?

First, Apple intended for these private betas to be ... private. The developers know that putting all of their files into SL beta is a bad idea. That's why they don't. What you're saying is not a problem for SL's intended audience, but for people that shouldn't have gotten the beta in the first place.

[twump]

First, Apple intended for these private betas to be ... private. The developers know that putting all of their files into SL beta is a bad idea. That's why they don't. What you're saying is not a problem for SL's intended audience, but for people that shouldn't have gotten the beta in the first place.

Alright, that's what I was wanting to know. Thank you :)

[intel]

Mac OS is missing cut/paste, but Windows is missing stuff Mac has as well. Not just one-sided. The dock is divided, so you can only put non-apps on the right, since most people are right handed.

BTW, in Quicktime 7, you CAN adjust brightness in a movie/video. Just go to Window > Show A/V Controls. Or simply Cmd+K. The video brightness adjustment bar is the top-right corner.

read my post carefully, i did say qt X not 7 and i believe 7 will not be includrd in final version of SL. Even the good things apple had given us, they have now taken. and so what if u pull yourself with your right hand. it dont mean *****. close button on left? file menu on left? freqently used finder icon on left?

Like i said, please give us a handle on our mug and not just a tissue to help us hold the cup when its hot. I'm only asking for the most basic of things. I'm not asking for games support for mac. or direct x 10 for mac. I want cut/append in folders so don't over write my files, and brightness control in Quicktime X

edit: oh and drag and drop files from stack to aps on doc was available in the previous build but now has been disabled

[*LTD*]

SL is coming along nicely.

The new Dock-centric navigation will pove indispensable. I look forward to a few more UI goodies before release.

[Krafty]

LOL @ the people bashing a beta.

[twump]

I have a question about users of the Snow Leopard preview who obtained it in ways other than Apple's distribution at WWDC and to developers:

Has apple explicitly stated that obtaining or running the Snow Leopard preview is illegal for non-developers?

I understand that downloading it from a torrent or receiving it from a friend is taking for free software that eventually will be sold. Any information you could provide as to the defined (not speculative) legality of running a preview build would be appreciated.

[jmlfl]

....Wow.

Why the hell don't you just take that $100 and donate it to charity or something, or buy someone a nice gift, instead of donating it to a corporation that already has an extremely healthy profit margins on all its products? You're certainly a 'special' type of consumer.

I think I may pay the full price as well. If the $29 SL DVD only allows an upgrade from an already installed Leopard and doesn't permit a clean install. It is not an update but an upgrade. And I don't trust such a huge upgrade through replacement of individual files. If the DVD just checks that Leopard is installed and lets me erase the hard drive, I will just pay the $29.

However, even if the upgrade had cost $129, I would have readily paid for it, like I've done for all Mac OS X upgrades so far. I think too that Snow Leopard is worth this price, as I am more concerned about under the hood new technology than simple make-up.

If the guy wants to pay the full price, let him do. That's his money. What do we care. I've read someone put $25,000 in a sarcophagus recently ...

As for donating the 100 (and more) bucks to charities, I would leave that to each person's pondering. But we could give some time too. For giving money is like lavishing presents on a child we don't care about or don't have time to cherish. How many of us would be ready to work for a charity during vacations for free?

[intel]

I have a question about users of the Snow Leopard preview who obtained it in ways other than Apple's distribution at WWDC and to developers:

Has apple explicitly stated that obtaining or running the Snow Leopard preview is illegal?

I understand that downloading it from a torrent or receiving it from a friend is taking for free software that eventually will be sold. Any information you could provide as to the defined (not speculative) legality of running a preview build would be appreciated.

If i could i would burn you a copy of my ferrari and u'd love it just the same.
Piracy of trial beta software for the purpose of contributing to bug reports and previewing what you are about to buy is in the whitest section of the grey area of software piracy. it is all completely non profit and all credit still goes to apple... even in the form of constructive critisism that in most cases will benifit all apple users and apple's market share. its a win win situation. So seriously dude, if u paid for the SL preview, you did so to test out your own software for profit reasons. if u paid for it for non profit reasons, congrats, u just gave your money away for an empty jar. (full of air). like what i did when i gave that old woman with a crystal ball to read my future. i bet you feel like this now and you feel the need to rip on us for you to feel good about yourself. (sorry, had to play this card. lolz). Pull out that darth vader figurine out of your ass and relax a little you tyrant-wanna-be-not-gonna-be. Have some common sense and leave us alone. we do no one any harm.

[lucasgladding]

Is there any word on when stacks will work the way that they where demoed before the actual release of leopard? I mean right now stacks are just a modified front end to folders in the dock. Instead of being a new function it actually makes things harder and more cluttered.

A new folder type for stacks/piles would be nice. Something that could exist inside or outside the dock that automatically creates aliases or links when items are dragged inside would be ideal for me. Even allowing manual sorting within the folder type could present benefits when organizing projects, etc. Manually creating aliases in the folder doesn't quite do the same thing.

Your post reminded me of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWe-TIy2Lbs

In some ways it's overkill, but relating items to the real world could be helpful. Maybe future operating systems will work with a combination of stacks/piles and metadata-based organization.

Dreaming about the future

Luke

[twump]

like what i did when i gave that old woman with a crystal ball to read my future. i bet you feel like this now and you feel the need to rip on us for you to feel good about yourself. (sorry, had to play this card. lolz). Pull out that darth vader figurine out of your ass and relax a little you tyrant-wanna-be-not-gonna-be. Have some common sense and leave us alone. we do no one any harm.

I am in no way attacking anyone. I just want to know if it is illegal for me to be running the Snow Leopard preview I download online, because if it definitely is, then I will just wait the couple of months until SL is officially released to use it.

[PaperMacWriter]

The marble is a lie?
the cake is a lie. Great to see some small UI improvements.

I know many of you many not like this, but I'd love a MobileMe-like theme such as Kevin Andersson's mockup:

http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mobilemetheme250808t.png (http://blog.kevinandersson.dk/2008/08/25/wip-mobile-me-theme-for-facade/)
I like the general color scheme, but the words should be either white or silver and metallicy(which is so a word as of now). I think that marble mock-up is quite nice(as a concept, I'd be mad if that were real).

Personaly, I think Apple should have 3 UI choices: Marble, Aqua, and Candy.
Marble: What we've been expecting.
Aqua: A closer-to-the-original-but-with-some-improvements versions of aqua.
Candy: A more colorful version of OSX. Some colorful stripes, nice and vibrant for those who aren't as into silver minimalist:p

If those were changeable easily systemwide via system preferences, then I think that would be quite nice. Certainly a "big"(not really big, but changes end users experience, there fore big) feature to tout of 10.7(lion? isn't that the only other big cat besides clouded leopard[at which I think people would be fed up with the same features]).
I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.
Steve Jobs would be proud(or disturbed)!!!

SG:apple:

[bmcgrath]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.

Wow that's just plain stupid

[intel]

I am in no way attacking anyone. I just want to know if it is illegal for me to be running the Snow Leopard preview I download online, because if it definitely is, then I will just wait the couple of months until SL is officially released to use it.

dude, ain't no one gonna check your puter for trial software, just go for it. as long as u don't use for profit, and have it as a separate partition, with a purchased version of leopard on another, a jury will definitely have sympathy.

[MisterK]

I really like where this Snow Leopard look is going. I think Apple is going to hold out on the major overhaul to the UI, though. I was disappointed at first, but now I think it was a good idea for them to wait for Win7 and then take a year to try and out GUI it in every way they can.

This one might make you think I'm crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if Apple pulled a Quicktime on the whole OS and had the menu bars hide themselves when you mouse off a window. Now THAT is minimalist. They'd need to show the folder name still, of course.. just get rid of anything extraneous when you're not mousing onto a window.

I would like to add my name to the list of people asking for a Finder cut/paste. I'd also like to add a Windows-like address bar, so I can tell someone on my network "hey, you can find my file here "p://projects/awesomeaccount/graphics" (and they can click that to take them to my file, without repeating my click by click trip to a certain folder). Maybe building SVN into the Finder would be a better solution, but I don't see that happening, either.

So yeah... yay Marble, yay aesthetic changes, and yay under the hood improvements. Cheers!

[InTheUnion]

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=182070&stc=1&d=1247240597

What's up with the colour of the floor of the dock? Is it a mod or something?

(sorry if that's already been asked)

[bobertoq]

If you look a tad closer at the new list style, you'll notice a few things. Not only is the list transparent so that you can see what's behind it, but this is the first UI in OS X that slightly blurs what's behind it as well in a Windows Vista fashion. It should also be noted that the list view blurs it's backgrounds but the grid view does not (yet). ...To be honest with you, I don't like it. I always hate it when there are dark colors in a GUI, and I absolutely hate transparency, now we're going for an Aero Glass style?

[dxta0]

lol the cake is a lie somebody is playing to much portal

[shabbasuraj]

That menu looks like a Blackberry Bold OS..


NOT GOOD.

[cms2]

Come on, guys.
Not too harsh.

It's like donating money to your favorite football club. Like paying too much money to Manchester United via buying a new home-shirt at the shop inside the stadium. :p
You KNOW you are paying far too much money for something you can get a lot cheaper... but you want to pay for it...

He is simply enthusiastic! And he is willing to pay more for something he really wants.


A problem with your analogy: here the choice isn't between paying full price for an officially licensed product from a company/team you support and buying it from a non-licensed street vendor. It'd be like if you supported Manchester, and wanted to buy a shirt they were offering in the stadium on sale, but you refused to take the sale, and insisted on paying full price.

Moving on,

I hope they implement "marble" (if it exists at all) across the entire system. I really hope Apple doesn't go the old route of 57 different, and often clashing, GUI themes, elements, and goofs. i.e. Tiger.

To the people saying that talk about the GUI is inconsequential, it's the face of your OS. It's what every day users interact with. Good design there can go a long way, and in fact it's part of what separates Apple from... er... others. ;) IMHO that makes it consequential.

[Pooshka]

I have Leopard, but I'll be buying Snow Leopard for $129 instead of $29 because it's worth way more than that to me, and a healthy markup is what allowed Apple to become what they are, so I will continue to do my part. Thanks for your hard work, Apple. Keep it up.
Dear "special" consumer, we are Apple Authorized Service Provider in New York City. We will be selling Snow Leopard for $599. Please, come to us!

We value your support,
*******

[Bubba Satori]

Service Pack 1.

[MacLuvin]

There's still no sight of the new quicktime ICON...or is it something i missed? i upgraded but still that icon is not in sight.

[timshundo]

I have a question about users of the Snow Leopard preview who obtained it in ways other than Apple's distribution at WWDC and to developers:

Has apple explicitly stated that obtaining or running the Snow Leopard preview is illegal for non-developers?

I understand that downloading it from a torrent or receiving it from a friend is taking for free software that eventually will be sold. Any information you could provide as to the defined (not speculative) legality of running a preview build would be appreciated.

That's a perfectly valid question and I'm not quite sure why the other guy whipped out the douchebag stick.

I'm not sure of the legalities, but I'm pretty sure obtaining SL in any other way other than through the Developer system is illegal... But the thing is that with Apple, we get a little more trust than, say, Microsoft, because they know they have our loyalty.

It's not like I would ever pay for a developer account because I'm not a developer, so they're not even losing money. I'm running the SL beta right now. Am I afraid Apple is going to come at me with a cease and desist letter? No. Am I going to buy SL on launch even though I'll probably have the final version seeded to me from Apple directly? Yes.

But am I going to buy 4 more copies of SL just because I think Apple deserves my money? No. That's taking things a little too far (yeah, I'm looking at you, coolfactor).

So yeah. I'm gonna say just go download it and give it a try as long as you know you'll be purchasing it in the end. That's how we retain trust with Apple. They took out the serial numbers for iLife and iWork, didn't they? :)

And don't let the guys here bring you down every time they spout their "WHAT YOU MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO SUBMIT BUG. U R NOT REAL DEVELOPER OR U R BREAKING NDAAA!!!!111" They think that not caving in and not impulsively downloading SL makes them some kind of honest, honorable king of the fanboys.

They're just jealous. :)

[MacLuvin]

the cake is a lie.
I like the general color scheme, but the words should be either white or silver and metallicy(which is so a word as of now). I think that marble mock-up is quite nice(as a concept, I'd be mad if that were real).

Personaly, I think Apple should have 3 UI choices: Marble, Aqua, and Candy.
Marble: What we've been expecting.
Aqua: A closer-to-the-original-but-with-some-improvements versions of aqua.
Candy: A more colorful version of OSX. Some colorful stripes, nice and vibrant for those who aren't as into silver minimalist:p

If those were changeable easily systemwide via system preferences, then I think that would be quite nice. Certainly a "big"(not really big, but changes end users experience, there fore big) feature to tout of 10.7(lion? isn't that the only other big cat besides clouded leopard[at which I think people would be fed up with the same features]).

Steve Jobs would be proud(or disturbed)!!!

SG:apple:

what theme is this? i want this theme :)

[queshy]

Can't wait. Seriously.

I hope my 2.0 C2D white iMac and my rev A MBA will play nice w/ SL.

[twump]

That's a perfectly valid question and I'm not quite sure why the other guy whipped out the douchebag stick...

I'm gonna say just go download it and give it a try as long as you know you'll be purchasing it in the end. That's how we retain trust with Apple. They took out the serial numbers for iLife and iWork, didn't they? :)

And don't let the guys here bring you down every time they spout ...

timshundo, thank you for the honest and thoughtful comment. I've decided to keep snow running, and am loving it! :D

And I have a bug question: does anyone else experience a painful 5-10 second freeze whenever you right-click on a misspelled word to correct it?