iPM:It's BBM For The Rest Of Us.

[SAG3194]

Comments?... And no it does not connect with BBM.

[-aggie-]

Comments?

Nice pic???

[SAG3194]

Comments?

Nice pic???

haha thanks but I meant about the idea. sorry for being vague

[-aggie-]

haha thanks but I meant about the idea. sorry for being vague

Oh sorry. I was wondering why you didn't have a link. Yes, it would be a good idea as long as it worked in the background.

[SAG3194]

Oh sorry. I was wondering why you didn't have a link. Yes, it would be a good idea as long as it worked in the background.

It does.

[Axl Rose]

Sounds good, i really like the icon as well:D

How would it run in the background????

[alFR]

It does.

When all the other third-party apps don't (assuming this is an iPhone app)? Yeah, sure it does...

[SAG3194]

Sounds good, i really like the icon as well:D

How would it run in the background????

When someone send you a message you will get notification.

[Axl Rose]

When someone send you a message you will get notification.

Oh you mean push notifications then

[davyreins]

I would love this. For me push AIM isn't a good substitute because I hate always being logged on. When I'm on AIM people will try holding long coversations with me whereas a text message is usually just a quick comment/question. Any opportunity for free text messages is always welcomed

[rmead001]

is this something that actually being developed or just a thought?

[D1G1T4L]

It would need to be on all iPhones and always be on to be the BBM for the iPhone.

[kas23]

OP, can you give us any solid comments about this, before we "comment"? Like, for starters, what is this? Is this a developed app in the approval process or just a twinkle in your eye?

[tctony]

SMS: It's BBM for everyone.

[ruinfx]

or you could just email. bbm just seems like a way for blackberry users to feel special that they have their own little messaging network.

[HarrisonB]

iPhone SMS > BBM any day of the week.

[Mikey B]

The only iPM I see in the AppStore sure doesn't seem to have anything to do with BBM or IM'ing.

AppStore Link (https://buy.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZFinance.woa/wa/tellAFriend?id=322122077&type=14)

[danpass]

Comments?... And no it does not connect with BBM.

yep there's already an app in the store titled iPM.

How about iIM?

[Acronym]

It would need to be on all iPhones and always be on to be the BBM for the iPhone.

but that would kill the battery big time unless they made it go into a power saver mode of some sort.

[HarrisonB]

but that would kill the battery big time unless they made it go into a power saver mode of some sort.

WHY? SMS doesnt kill the battery and it is instant.

[dancavallaro]

As far as I know, BBM doesn't actually pop anything up when you get a message, it just plays that "badunk" noise and adds an icon badge, which is exactly the kind of stuff you can do with push notifications. So you would actually be able to replicate BBM almost exactly on the iPhone.

[jw nyc]

The ONLY reason most of my friends won't switch to the iPhone from their Blackberries is b/c of BBM. Anyone who says SMS or IM clients are the same thing simply hasn't used it (or hasn't had any friends who used it). A program like this would be a HUGE asset for Apple but I agree that it should run in the background.

[lavinci]

That does look good and would be great for Apple to integrate this to all iPhones. Will definitely bring up more customers. Hurry and copyright your image!!! haha

[MBHockey]

What is superior about BBM to iPhone's SMS, aside from needing a text plan?

[davyreins]

What is superior about BBM to iPhone's SMS, aside from needing a text plan?

I think it's only superior because it is free.

[HarrisonB]

I think it's only superior because it is free.

Because iPhone SMS side by side with BBM is no contest. BBM looks like a chatroom out of 1997 and iPhone SMS looks like iChat.

[Outrigger]

What is superior about BBM to iPhone's SMS, aside from needing a text plan?

Preference aside, you sound like you never used one. BBM is proprietary to blackberrys and it shows when others are typing and shows when you message is read. 2 advantages that sms does not have.

[MBHockey]

I haven't used it, nor seen it. But everything I've ever seen on a BlackBerry has the UI of a 1990 nintendo game, so I can't imagine it looks better than iPhone's SMS. Further, with iPhone SMS the message is instant and it keeps track of your conversations.

If you're telling me that an ugly UI slapped on top of a proprietary BlackBerry to BlackBerry texting service which tells you when the other person is typing and gives you message status updates is what BBM essentially is, then I have to wonder why I keep reading idiotic threads where people are bemoaning the lack of a BBM analogue on the iPhone.

Those are really the two only things BBM has over iPhone SMS?

[HarrisonB]

LOL, I don't want the other person to know I read their message while I am ignoring them.

[jw nyc]

I haven't used it, nor seen it. But everything I've ever seen on a BlackBerry has the UI of a 1990 nintendo game, so I can't imagine it looks better than iPhone's SMS. Further, with iPhone SMS the message is instant and it keeps track of your conversations.

If you're telling me that an ugly UI slapped on top of a proprietary BlackBerry to BlackBerry texting service which tells you when the other person is typing and gives you message status updates is what BBM essentially is, then I have to wonder why I keep reading idiotic threads where people are bemoaning the lack of a BBM analogue on the iPhone.

Those are really the two only things BBM has over iPhone SMS?

1. Use a blackberry for a month. 2. Come back to this thread. 3. Try again at actually make an educated response.

It's obvious you've never used the service.

[SAG3194]

LOL, I don't want the other person to know I read their message while I am ignoring them.

haha thats why im not adding that

[jw nyc]

haha thats why im not adding that

You should make it an option.

[SAG3194]

You should make it an option.

Not a bad idea.

[ODog4523]

So i'm late to the party, but this is not real right? Would be cool if it's done right though, aka FREE and simple.

[SeanMcC]

LOL, I don't want the other person to know I read their message while I am ignoring them.

My feelings exactly. I regularly read and don't reply, I don't need them knowing I actually read it already.

[yalag]

So i'm late to the party, but this is not real right? Would be cool if it's done right though, aka FREE and simple.

why would something done right be free?

[MBHockey]

1. Use a blackberry for a month. 2. Come back to this thread. 3. Try again at actually make an educated response.

It's obvious you've never used the service.

It should be obvious, since I stated it twice. Good work detective.

Why don't you explain what it is that makes BBM so far superior a texting service than iPhone's SMS instead of showing everyone how you can't read?

I'm not being a smart ass. I genuinely want to know. I don't own a BlackBerry and don't plan on it, but I'm curious why there is such a mass clamoring for a similar service. I'm fairly sure all the attention to BBM isn't warranted, but you haven't done anything to prove your point.

[jw nyc]

It should be obvious, since I stated it twice. Good work.

Why don't you explain what it is that makes BBM so far superior a texting service than iPhone's SMS instead of showing everyone how you can't read?

I'm not being a smart ass. I genuinely want to know. I don't own a BlackBerry and don't plan on it, but I'm curious why there is such a mass clamoring for a similar service.

I already have on numerous other threads but I'll save you time searching...

Because being on an IM messenger or SMSing is completely different. To chat with someone on AIM, GChat, Yahoo etc., the user has to be knowingly logged into the service on their phone and has to make sure they remain logged in. What's great about BBM is that any user who has a Blackberry is ALWAYS logged in and you can ALWAYS communicate with them this way. It also tells the person who sent a message if it was received and if it was read by the user! The messages are also sent over the data network instead of using an SMS plan (faster/cheaper/and can also send over wifi if you don't have service). You are also able to do group conversations and it's easier to IM from a buddy list then to have to search your contacts every time. Anyone who says to use an IM client or SMS as an alternative simply hasn't used BBM b/c it's definitely not a substitute. In fact, the #1 reason most of my friends won't switch to an iPhone is b/c it lacks BBM.

[ODog4523]

why would something done right be free?

BBM is free. Why would I pay for yet another messaging svc?

[jw nyc]

Also, sending pics/videos are much faster over bbm (bc it uses the data network) and you can even record a voicenote right from the program and have it send instantly. You can also send other files (pdfs, office documents etc.) that MMS doesn't even support.

[MBHockey]

I already have on numerous other threads but I'll save you time searching...

Because being on an IM messenger or SMSing is completely different. To chat with someone on AIM, GChat, Yahoo etc., the user has to be knowingly logged into the service on their phone and has to make sure they remain logged in. What's great about BBM is that any user who has a Blackberry is ALWAYS logged in and you can ALWAYS communicate with them this way. It also tells the person who sent a message if it was received and if it was read by the user! The messages are also sent over the data network instead of using an SMS plan (faster/cheaper/and can also send over wifi if you don't have service). You are also able to do group conversations and it's easier to IM from a buddy list then to have to search your contacts every time. Anyone who says to use an IM client or SMS as an alternative simply hasn't used BBM b/c it's definitely not a substitute. In fact, the #1 reason most of my friends won't switch to an iPhone is b/c it lacks BBM.


Why are you comparing BBM to AIM and GChat when I'm not? I'm comparing it to iPhone SMS.

How is this "always on" any different from iPhone texting? Your "buddy list" is your contacts. You don't have to be "logged in" or wonder if anyone else is logged in.

So yes, what you said is that the only advantages BBM has is that you don't need a texting plan, you know when the other person is typing, you can read the status of your messages, and that you can send messages over wifi (provided you have a BB that has a wifi card.)

I agree, I would like free texting from AT&T. But BBM doesn't have so much else over iPhone SMS to warrant all of these stupid threads, it seems. I mean, really. Message status? See when the other person is typing?

Yawn.

[jw nyc]

Why are you comparing BBM to AIM and GChat when I'm not? I'm comparing it to iPhone SMS.

How is this "always on" any different from iPhone texting? Your "buddy list" is your contacts. You don't have to be "logged in" or wonder if anyone else is logged in.

So yes, what you said is that the only advantages BBM has is that you don't need a texting plan, you know when the other person is typing, you can read the status of your messages, and that you can send messages over wifi (provided you have a BB that has a wifi card.)

I agree, I would like free texting from AT&T. But BBM doesn't have so much else over iPhone SMS to warrant all of these stupid threads, it seems. I mean, really. Message status? See when the other person is typing?

Yawn.

I'm comparing it to IM clients b/c thats the other "substitute" that people use for BBM and I'm not only talking to you on this thread. You might not think a BBM type app warrants all these thread but explain to me why there are hundreds of thousands of blackberry users who prefer bbm to SMS. How come when I had a blackberry I never used SMS to message ANY of my friends who also had a blackberry? Not only is there greater functionality (mentioned above) and ease of use but the speed at which you send a message is greatly increased by the user interface.

[Diseal3]

I dont think this is possible. This is using blackberrys server and blackberry PIN #'s unique to each blackberry which is used when buying apps and bbm. How do you plan of getting permission from blackberry to do this.

I call BS.

[yalag]

BBM is free. Why would I pay for yet another messaging svc?

because we are talking about iphones and not blackberries here? duh?

[JD914]

iPhone SMS > BBM any day of the week.

I disagree, I have a Bold 9000 and the speeds in which text and pictures are sent through BBM are phenomenal. SMS works through (slow) carrier data and BBM works with RIM servers and deliver messages and pics at an incredible fast speeds. If apple could jump on something similar it would take the iPhine to another level. Something to think about for the next gen iPhone.

[asb396]

i mean you guys keep arguing about the same things. it has nothing to do with free or not because most of us will always maintain our unlimited text plans, it has to do with simplicity and ease of use. Having bbm is almost like being in some kind of society, everywhere i go i hear "let me get your pin." BBM is a lot easier than any other text messaging or IM program and as many people have said, if you disagree then you either havent used it or are a real fanboy.

[JD914]

The ONLY reason most of my friends won't switch to the iPhone from their Blackberries is b/c of BBM. Anyone who says SMS or IM clients are the same thing simply hasn't used it (or hasn't had any friends who used it). A program like this would be a HUGE asset for Apple but I agree that it should run in the background.

I agree. A BBM life feature on the iPhone would be a big plus.

[Diseal3]

Something to think about for the next gen iPhone.

Why next GEN and not next firmware...Thats a software thing.

[JD914]

What is superior about BBM to iPhone's SMS, aside from needing a text plan?

it always runs in the background and its incredibly fast.
iPhones SMS = Turtle
BBM = Cheeta........No comparison.

[JD914]

I think it's only superior because it is free.

you're very wrong.

[JD914]

Because iPhone SMS side by side with BBM is no contest. BBM looks like a chatroom out of 1997 and iPhone SMS looks like iChat.

actually BBM is actually threaded, the misinformation here is astonishing.

[HarrisonB]

actually BBM is actually threaded, the misinformation here is astonishing.

It still looks like black and white and horrible.

[D1G1T4L]

It still looks like black and white and horrible.

You sure you are not talking about the SMS program on the BB? BBM is pretty nice with smilies :)

[jw nyc]

It still looks like black and white and horrible.

Not quite.

[JD914]

It still looks like black and white and horrible.

Thats your opinion. Fortunately for me, I'm an owner of both Bold and iPhone and have no bias in my opinion. I'm not a "fanboy" of either camp.My opinion is that BBM looks pretty sharp but it's the functionality that sets it apart from old fashioned SMS.

[FSMBP]

I think this would be a great app but I think it would be best if Apple made it. Apple could utilize its own servers to make iPhone messaging the best.

Still, if the OP is actually making this app, it's a great idea.

[HarrisonB]

http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bbsmileys.bmp
VS.
http://cjrailson.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/iphone-sms.jpg

Oh. Def. BBM looks great! Windows 95 ftw!

[yalag]

http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bbsmileys.bmp
VS.
http://cjrailson.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/iphone-sms.jpg

Oh. Def. BBM looks great! Windows 95 ftw!

Zing!

[uberamd]

Oh. Def. BBM looks great! Windows 95 ftw!

Don't forget the fact that the person you are chatting with also needs BBM. I like SMS, because 99.999999% of phones support it, all of my friends have it, etc. Its universal. BBM is for blackberry. One of my friends has blackberry.

[JBaker122586]

everywhere i go i hear "let me get your pin." BBM is a lot easier

"Let me get your pin."?
How about, I already have your phone number so I'll just send you a text message and I don't have to worry about if you have a Blackberry, iPhone, N95 or whatever.

And for all the people calling iPhone SMS sluggish? It takes 2 seconds for an SMS message to send, and in the interim, you can begin typing your next message, exit out of the app, put the phone back in your pocket, or whatever else you want.

In conclusion, I have never in my life heard someone say, "Let me get your pin." Nor have I ever heard of a person outside of the Internet mention BBM.

[D1G1T4L]

http://www.blackberrycool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bbsmileys.bmp
VS.
http://cjrailson.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/iphone-sms.jpg

Oh. Def. BBM looks great! Windows 95 ftw!

Does look pretty good doesn't it. One feature I do miss.

[ODog4523]

Sounds like people should start making some noise with Apple/ATT about getting a NATIVE alternative for our IPhones.

Of course, that would make a lot of chat/IM app developers wrestless, and ATT would lose a lot of SMS/MMS plans, so who knows it that'd be allowed to fly...

[davyreins]

you're very wrong.

Very constructive. After reading posts brought up after mine I am now aware it has some OTHER superior features with some other inferior ones. Happy?

[HarrisonB]

Apple just needs to port iChat and it would be amazing.

[davyreins]

"Let me get your pin."?
How about, I already have your phone number so I'll just send you a text message and I don't have to worry about if you have a Blackberry, iPhone, N95 or whatever.

And for all the people calling iPhone SMS sluggish? It takes 2 seconds for an SMS message to send, and in the interim, you can begin typing your next message, exit out of the app, put the phone back in your pocket, or whatever else you want.

In conclusion, I have never in my life heard someone say, "Let me get your pin." Nor have I ever heard of a person outside of the Internet mention BBM.

You're probably just in a different setting. It made me sick one day how many times I heard "let me get your pin" at my university when people found out so many others had a BlackBerry in the same class.

It seems around me that if you are even at least minor friends with another person, and you know they have a BlackBerry, then you will have each others pin numbers for BBM.

[CrzyCanuck72]

this thread is pretty off-topic, but as a recent BB convert I thought I'd throw in my two cents...

BBM is a terrific application because of the way that SMS is set up on BBs and most other cellphones - each message is a separate entry, which is great for one-off messages, but it makes having a continuous conversation very difficult. BBM solves this by letting BB users have threaded, instantaneous conversations with each other.

I don't think that a BBM-esque program is necessary for iPhones, because it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. iPhone-to-iPhone conversations are already easy, because both phones have the threaded, conversation-style SMS.

So I think that BBM has its place and is useful on BBs, but it isn't necessary for iPhones because the solution for text conversations already exists.

That said, the allure of a "secret society" feature shouldn't be underestimated.

[uberamd]

this thread is pretty off-topic, but as a recent BB convert I thought I'd throw in my two cents...

BBM is a terrific application because of the way that SMS is set up on BBs and most other cellphones - each message is a separate entry, which is great for one-off messages, but it makes having a continuous conversation very difficult. BBM solves this by letting BB users have threaded, instantaneous conversations with each other.

I don't think that a BBM-esque program is necessary for iPhones, because it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. iPhone-to-iPhone conversations are already easy, because both phones have the threaded, conversation-style SMS.

So I think that BBM has its place and is useful on BBs, but it isn't necessary for iPhones because the solution for text conversations already exists.

That said, the allure of a "secret society" feature shouldn't be underestimated.

Threaded SMS is becoming a commonplace on phones, even low priced phones (that are free with a contract) included threaded SMS.

[HarrisonB]

Threaded SMS is becoming a commonplace on phones, even low priced phones (that are free with a contract) included threaded SMS.

Basically BBM is obsolete or will be within 1 year.

[Prospekt]

What about those who don't want to pay $20 a month for unlimited texts and the people they text most have BBM? Everyone who I talked to when I had a BlackBerry also had a BlackBerry, so this saved A LOT of money.

[LoganT]

Blackberry Messenger was my favorite app on the Pearl. But I feel that BeeJive IM is a really good substitute. Blackberry's can run BeeJiveIM (or any multi-account instant messaging service), so I don't miss it that much.

But before Push, it was pretty annoying.

[HarrisonB]

What about those who don't want to pay $20 a month for unlimited texts and the people they text most have BBM? Everyone who I talked to when I had a BlackBerry also had a BlackBerry, so this saved A LOT of money.
People who text a lot tend to text people on all carriers and phone types. Most likely if you text enough to like BBM that much you have a good amount of SMS's available. IMO.

[QCassidy352]

SMS: It's BBM for everyone.

beejiveIM: it's BBM for everyone.

Ok, to be serious: I have a BB and know lots of people with them and have never once used or seen anyone use BBM. I've already had this argument in another thread, so I'll just say this and then extricate myself from this ridiculousness: There is nothing BBM/iPM can/could do that the combination of push email, SMS, and IM cannot do. What BBM/iPM *can* do is restrict your communications to a subset of your friends/family/coworkers who have a particular smartphone. It's the most pointless app I've ever heard of. Seriously, mind-bogglingly pointless. And before someone says how much they use it, let me remind you, I'm calling it useless in light of the communication options the iphone (and bb, for that matter) already have. If apple put this on the iphone I'd bury it on a back-app page - out of sight and out of mind.

/rant

[D1G1T4L]

Basically BBM is obsolete or will be within 1 year.

Why is that? RIM is just about to update it.

[D1G1T4L]

beejiveIM: it's BBM for everyone.

Ok, to be serious: I have a BB and know lots of people with them and have never once used or seen anyone use BBM. I've already had this argument in another thread, so I'll just say this and then extricate myself from this ridiculousness: There is nothing BBM/iPM can/could do that the combination of push email, SMS, and IM cannot do. What BBM/iPM *can* do is restrict your communications to a subset of your friends/family/coworkers who have a particular smartphone. It's the most pointless app I've ever heard of. Seriously, mind-bogglingly pointless. And before someone says how much they use it, let me remind you, I'm calling it useless in light of the communication options the iphone (and bb, for that matter) already have. If apple put this on the iphone I'd bury it on a back-app page - out of sight and out of mind.

/rant

The same rant put in every BBM thread here. I find BBM is far from "pointless". If friends/family/coworkers have a Blackberry then they have BBM which you can message them for free. Easy and simple. No need in finding out what IM service they use or showing them how to install it....

The one the I really miss about my BB is BBM. A good bit of my military friends had BB's and we kept up with it. I basically just send emails now.

I would be interested in how people would have looked at BBM if Apple released it as a priority messenger on the iPhone first.

[rmead001]

Having a blackberry for a few years and switching to the iPhone and I have no regrets. But like everyone else in this post that has owned and used a blackberry and used BBM it is the ONE thing that I miss. There is no solid explaination on why it's so great or why I miss it because ya I can just text people. But with BBM you can see if people are available. It can show what music people may be listening to. It has quick and easy smiley faces. You can invite friends into custom chat rooms. Send any file within size limitations. If you've never used BBM then it's extremely tough for you to judge it. I love the iPhone and the SMS is awesome and beats BBM but there was just something about using that is just awesome and great and toughtk give up.

[Goona]

Apple Should just develo iChat, would make this argumet obsolete.

[SAG3194]

Update - We got messaging working and we have 2 weeks left of work to complete.

[BMac702]

Update - We got messaging working and we have 2 weeks left of work to complete.

So can you post some screens? And soes that mean it will be ready in about two weeks or do you have more work to complete after those two weeks?

[SAG3194]

So can you post some screens? And does that mean it will be ready in about two weeks or do you have more work to complete after those two weeks?

Screenshots are coming.

We will finish up the basics in 2 weeks and submit it to the App Store. After that we will work on the more advanced features.

[FrankyJ]

i dont get what the big deal of an iPhone BBM-like feature... on the iPhone it would be pointless. The good thing about it with Blackberry is that AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, etc can instant message each other all day without using actual texts.

iPhones are just AT&T (for now atleast), so i dont see the point.

[lindsayanng]

iChat would be a LOT more awesome than this thing.. This way, on the next update, ALL PHONES WOULD HAVE IT.. isnt that what makes BBM "cool" All blackberrys have it.. if its an app your have to add yourself (and if it costs money) its unlikely everyone will have it. just my .02

ichat needs to happen.. soon

[SAG3194]

iChat would be a LOT more awesome than this thing.. This way, on the next update, ALL PHONES WOULD HAVE IT.. isnt that what makes BBM "cool" All blackberrys have it.. if its an app your have to add yourself (and if it costs money) its unlikely everyone will have it. just my .02

ichat needs to happen.. soon

Agree about iChat. The BBM part... Not so much.

I want to see Video Chat soon

[lindsayanng]

Would you use video chat if you had to mount a small external camera to your iphone.. about the size of an itrip?

[SAG3194]

Would you use video chat if you had to mount a small external camera to your iphone.. about the size of an itrip?

100%

though I would love to see it built in

[manorpark]

When launched will this be a charged for app ?

If so at what price point ?

MP

[SAG3194]

When launched will this be a charged for app ?

If so at what price point ?

MP

It will be a one time fee of 0.99

[MasterTick]

So will we get a PIN number to give to other iPhone users?

[SAG3194]

So will we get a PIN number to give to other iPhone users?

It will be your serial number.

[manorpark]

It will be a one time fee of 0.99

I must say that at that price I will deff give it a go, just need to make sure a few others download it.

Let us know when its out.

MP

[SAG3194]

I must say that at that price I will deff give it a go, just need to make sure a few others download it.

Let us know when its out.

MP

Will do!

[MasterTick]

It will be your serial number.
Interesting. Can't wait to see what it looks like.

[SAG3194]

Interesting. Can't wait to see what it looks like.

Yep. Been a long journey with the code and the interface is kinda out of shape now, I plan on posting a few shots tomorrow and the day after.

[manorpark]

Yep. Been a long journey with the code and the interface is kinda out of shape now, I plan on posting a few shots tomorrow and the day after.

Looking forward to seeing the screen shots.

How does it notify ?

MP

[SAG3194]

Looking forward to seeing the screen shots.

How does it notify ?

MP

Vibrations. Sounds. Push Notifications.

Basically. No matter what (unless the phone is off or not connected to a network) you will know you got a message almost instantly.

[MasterTick]

Don't know if you've said this already but will we be able to have a group chat with friends?

[SAG3194]

Don't know if you've said this already but will we be able to have a group chat with friends?

Excellent question.

This would be considered an advanced feature and will be added on in the near future.

[Eso]

It will be your serial number.

This is generally not a good idea.

[SAG3194]

This is generally not a good idea.

We have thought this through several times and we feel it is the best way to do things because its easy - simple - non spam. If you feel that you have a reason not to do this method let us know.

[SAG3194]

Screenshots are coming right now.

Still deciding if a website is appropriate.

[SAG3194]

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190042&stc=1&d=1251145937http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190043&stc=1&d=1251145937http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190044&stc=1&d=1251145937http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190045&stc=1&d=1251145937http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190046&stc=1&d=1251145937

[cellocello]

So ... I don't understand what the serial number is for? Is it just a unique identifier, or is there a particular reason you're using SNs ?

[thelatinist]

I'm sorry, I don't understand what advantage this has over IM with BeejiveIm. The primary difference seems to be that it will only work with other iPhone users, an exclusivity which, it seems to me, would make it less useful. And the use of serial numbers makes it more difficult to exchange than an AIM screen name. Even Facebook has gone to usernames, now.

[SAG3194]

So ... I don't understand what the serial number is for? Is it just a unique identifier, or is there a particular reason you're using SNs ?

Good question.

As you may now. Blackberry generates a PIN number for every blackberry device. Users use that to communicate with their friends and family. I have created a way that my app uses your serial number off of your device to communicate with friends. Its on the device already and no need to generate anything!

Basically the serial number is like an AIM screen name that allows you to communicate with others.

[SAG3194]

I'm sorry, I don't understand what advantage this has over IM with BeejiveIm. The primary difference seems to be that it will only work with other iPhone users, an exclusivity which, it seems to me, would make it less useful. And the use of serial numbers makes it more difficult to exchange than an AIM screen name. Even Facebook has gone to usernames, now.

This works with the iPod Touch as well. Not just iPhone users.

The iPod Touch would need have access to a network though.

[cellocello]

Good question.

As you may now. Blackberry generates a PIN number for every blackberry device. Users use that to communicate with their friends and family. I have created a way that my app uses your serial number off of your device to communicate with friends. Its on the device already and no need to generate anything!

Basically the serial number is like an AIM screen name that allows you to communicate with others.

So this is just an IM app, right? What protocol are you using? Jabber?

[SAG3194]

So this is just an IM app, right? What protocol are you using? Jabber?

My own. I feel that if the user will get the IM's faster if I host it and manage them, and right now the IM's come through pretty fast.

[thelatinist]

This works with the iPod Touch as well. Not just iPhone users.

Well, that answers one small part of my concern. It doesn't explain how this is any more useful than AIM or MSN, using which one can chat with users on any number of devices and platforms without the need to exchange serial numbers. Is this just a way to feel part of an exclusive club?

[SAG3194]

Well, that answers one small part of my concern. It doesn't explain how this is any more useful than AIM or MSN, using which one can chat with users on any number of devices and platforms without the need to exchange serial numbers. Is this just a way to feel part of an exclusive club?

I will answer your question with a question.

Why do blackberry users use BBM as opposed to AIM or MSN?

Because BBM is close to instant IM's and I guess you could say that it feels fun to be part of a cool BBM club.

Also you can talk to people on other networks without costs.

My app is as instant as possible if not faster than BBM. It saves money if you are not on a unlimited texting plan. I hope to develop the same app so that you can use it on BB and Google Android.

[cellocello]

I will answer your question with a question.

Why do blackberry users use BBM as opposed to AIM or MSN?

Because BBM is close to instant IM's and I guess you could say that it feels fun to be part of a cool BBM club.

Also you can talk to people on other networks without costs.

My app is as instant as possible if not faster than BBM. It saves money if you are not on a unlimited texting plan. I hope to develop the same app so that you can use it on BB and Google Android.

BBM is indeed quite similar to MSN/AIM ... but I think BB users like it 'cause of how built-in it is.

It runs in the background, feels very lightweight, runs quick and all that good stuff.

While I applaud you effort, and encourage you to release this, I suspect some users won't be happy until Apple releases a built-in, OS-level "iChat" for iPhone.

[Small White Car]

Why do blackberry users use BBM as opposed to AIM or MSN?


They told me its because its built in and they don't have to explain to people how to instal it and get logged in.

Your app can't be described in that way. I still don't see the difference between this and all the other IM apps already out there.

I mean, I'm sure this is a good one, I'm just saying there's nothing that makes it more like BBM than any of the other apps out there already.

[MasterTick]

Well it has picture messaging so it's already a winner in my book.

[thelatinist]

I mean, I'm sure this is a good one, I'm just saying there's nothing that makes it more like BBM than any of the other apps out there already.

Well, the only thing I can see is the use of a number non-owners can't get instead of a username. Like you, I'm not saying it's not a fine app or IM protocol; I just don't know how it's going to differentiate itself from the well-established competition.

SAG3194: Are you sure you're going to be able to fund the servers you'll need to run to make this work indefinitely on $.99?

[Johnnybrav0]

BBM sucks...why because people need blackberry sorry ass data plan to use it. Blackberry data plan is only good for check email and use BBM. You can't surf the web with a sorry browser.

Iphone sms is nice. Why didn't you post a picture of iphone sms with MMS picture and see which one is better...you can search it here on the forum.

Used to have a blackberry bold. Some of my friend who didn't pay Blackberry data couldn't use BBM so it was stupid.... Suck ass....the only thing good was the screen res. which was nice...everything else is like others had said....old 1990 UI....

[BMac702]

Giving out your serial number to everyone is a bad idea

[SAG3194]

SAG3194: Are you sure you're going to be able to fund the servers you'll need to run to make this work indefinitely on $.99?


Yep. I'm sure.

[xraydoc]

BBM sucks...why because people need blackberry sorry ass data plan to use it. Blackberry data plan is only good for check email and use BBM. You can't surf the web with a sorry browser.

Iphone sms is nice. Why didn't you post a picture of iphone sms with MMS picture and see which one is better...you can search it here on the forum.

Used to have a blackberry bold. Some of my friend who didn't pay Blackberry data couldn't use BBM so it was stupid.... Suck ass....the only thing good was the screen res. which was nice...everything else is like others had said....old 1990 UI....

But why would anyone want a Blackberry without a data plan? Same goes for an iPhone... I don't think that's a valid argument. Plus, you can't get an iPhone without a data plan anyway...

The nice thing about BBM is that it's free/unlimited including to/from overseas. Plus, you get delivery conformation and you can set a status much like an IM app.

Edit: Additionally, if you're set up with a business-issued Blackberry, the IT department can log and audit your BBM messages (and SMS/MMS and call logs if they so choose). This is part of the reason BBM is used as much as it is - businesses have full control over it.

[SAG3194]

I took your advice and now when you open the application you are given a 7 digit number. That is considered your "PIN" number.

Thanks every for your help! Looking forward to hearing more ideas/concerns from you!

[sinsin07]

But why would anyone want a Blackberry without a data plan? Same goes for an iPhone... I don't think that's a valid argument. Plus, you can't get an iPhone without a data plan anyway...

The nice thing about BBM is that it's free/unlimited including to/from overseas. Plus, you get delivery conformation and you can set a status much like an IM app.

Edit: Additionally, if you're set up with a business-issued Blackberry, the IT department can log and audit your BBM messages (and SMS/MMS and call logs if they so choose). This is part of the reason BBM is used as much as it is - businesses have full control over it.

Thank you. Somebody who knows what the hell they are talking about. Some people bet Blackberries expecting an iPhone experience, and then bitch because they have know idea what the Blackberry is all about.

Edit: Now try to explain to him why in some companies capturing SMS/MMS is important and he would probably fall asleep. :) )

[sinsin07]

To the original OP, keep on doing what your doing. I hope you get approved. You have at least one customer. Screw all these, but I don't understand post. If they don't understand by now they never will. You've explained it all well and there will be the more sophisticated user who gets it. Don't worry about the ones with the Apple bar code tattooed on their ass.:D

[SAG3194]

To the original OP, keep on doing what your doing. I hope you get approved. You have at least one customer. Screw all these, but I don't understand post. If they don't understand by now they never will. You've explained it all well and there will be the more sophisticated user who gets it. Don't worry about the ones with the Apple bar code tattooed on their ass.:D

Thanks!

I don't mind answering questions.

[thelatinist]

You've explained it all well and there will be the more sophisticated user who gets it.

No, he has not "explained it all well." All I'm asking for is one way in which joining a new iPhones-only chat network will be superior to utilizing an existing IM network. I am honestly looking for an explanation, and I would be happy to hear one. I'm not being rude (or unsophisticated), just asking a simple question. It seems to me that if someone is trying to sell me a new product which appears to have the same features as a product I already own, the burden is on him to explain how it is better.

[sinsin07]

No, he has not "explained it all well." All I'm asking for is one way in which joining a new iPhones-only chat network will be superior to utilizing an existing IM network. I am honestly looking for an explanation, and I would be happy to hear one. I'm not being rude (or unsophisticated), just asking a simple question. It seems to me that if someone is trying to sell me a new product which appears to have the same features as a product I already own, the burden is on him to explain how it is better.

Well I guess we differ which is fine. It was explained in three pages of post. If you don't get it by now, you should move on because it appears your nit picken. No one is forcing you to understand or buy the app. This is just not for you.

Edit: And at 99¢ what's the big deal, its another app that looks better than ifart.

[manorpark]

Thanks!

I don't mind answering questions.


The pics look good, if you need any testers let me know.

MP

[thelatinist]

It was explained in three pages of post. If you don't get it by now, you should move on because it appears your nit picken.

I have read the thread, and, contrary to your assertions, there are no clear explanations of the virtue of this application. As far as I can see, the only concrete reasons that have been offered are as follows:

1) BBM is native and no app has to be installed.
2) It's always on.
3) It's threaded.
4) It's close to instantaneous.
5) Messages are free.
6) It feels fun to be part of a cool club.

But this application is not BBM, and it will not be a native app with OS integration. All the other claimed features of BBM are shared by IM with Push notifications: BeejiveIM keeps users logged in so that they are always on; conversations are threaded; speed and notifications are nearly instantaneous (I cannot detect any delay--and iIM will use the same notification servers); and IM is also free, using the same data plan that iIM will use.

Am I wrong in believing that this leaves exclusivity as the sole selling point of this app? All the other explanations but those above have consisted of bald assertions that BBM is superior, without any evidence or even arguments to back them up; or, worse yet, smug assertions that if people "don't get it" it's not worth explaining to them.

Honestly, I am not "nit picking." I asked my initial question out of real curiosity, and, if I seem now to be frustrated, it is only because my question is being dismissed as already answered when it really hasn't been. I am open to the possibility that I am missing something. If I am, please enlighten me.

[SAG3194]

Well I guess we differ which is fine. It was explained in three pages of post. If you don't get it by now, you should move on because it appears your nit picken. No one is forcing you to understand or buy the app. This is just not for you.

Edit: And at 99¢ what's the big deal, its another app that looks better than ifart.

I don't mind explaining things a bit but if people want to oppose me that's a different story.

I understand where he is coming from. He is asking why choose this over IM. I answer that this will eventually be able to be used over all platforms. It will be a copy of BBM just it won't be only for iPhone. It won't be in the beginning but it will be enventually

[E3BK]

To the OP: keep doing what you're doing. Not everyone on a BB uses BBM but everyone I know who switched from BB To iPhone misses BBM The most, as I do. I think there will be enough demand for it.

I'm excited to see this coming. It's not about being in the cool club. It's about free msgs to other people on other networks all over the world. I miss that with my BBM. There are different people I want to connect with on IM vs BBM so not everyone is added to that list. For AIM/IM, both people have to be logged on so there's that. Also, there's the whole 9.99 vs 0.99 cost. I only know a few people who shelled out the $ for Beejive.

[itsmequinn]

I have read the thread, and, contrary to your assertions, there are no clear explanations of the virtue of this application. As far as I can see, the only concrete reasons that have been offered are as follows:

1) BBM is native and no app has to be installed.
2) It's always on.
3) It's threaded.
4) It's close to instantaneous.
5) Messages are free.
6) It feels fun to be part of a cool club.

But this application is not BBM, and it will not be a native app with OS integration. All the other claimed features of BBM are shared by IM with Push notifications: BeejiveIM keeps users logged in so that they are always on; conversations are threaded; speed and notifications are nearly instantaneous (I cannot detect any delay--and iIM will use the same notification servers); and IM is also free, using the same data plan that iIM will use.

Am I wrong in believing that this leaves exclusivity as the sole selling point of this app? All the other explanations but those above have consisted of bald assertions that BBM is superior, without any evidence or even arguments to back them up; or, worse yet, smug assertions that if people "don't get it" it's not worth explaining to them.

Honestly, I am not "nit picking." I asked my initial question out of real curiosity, and, if I seem now to be frustrated, it is only because my question is being dismissed as already answered when it really hasn't been. I am open to the possibility that I am missing something. If I am, please enlighten me.

Yes, in a way it leaves exclusivity as the only reason that anyone would want this app, but I just want an app that is exclusive to mobile phones, I don't care if it's just iPhone or not. I hate chatting with people on a desktop from my iphone beacuse the two types of conversations flow differently and they don't jibe well when you force them together. A mobile to mobile conversation is much slower paced and less long winded than a desktop to desktop chat.

[thelatinist]

Yes, in a way it leaves exclusivity as the only reason that anyone would want this app, but I just want an app that is exclusive to mobile phones, I don't care if it's just iPhone or not. I hate chatting with people on a desktop from my iphone beacuse the two types of conversations flow differently and they don't jibe well when you force them together. A mobile to mobile conversation is much slower paced and less long winded than a desktop to desktop chat.

Now that is the first explanation I've heard that has made sense. I don't have the same problems with mobile-to-desktop chats, but I can appreciate that you might.

[SAG3194]

Yes, in a way it leaves exclusivity as the only reason that anyone would want this app, but I just want an app that is exclusive to mobile phones, I don't care if it's just iPhone or not. I hate chatting with people on a desktop from my iphone beacuse the two types of conversations flow differently and they don't jibe well when you force them together. A mobile to mobile conversation is much slower paced and less long winded than a desktop to desktop chat.

This application will eventually be used across all platforms.

Now that is the first explanation I've heard that has made sense. I don't have the same problems with mobile-to-desktop chats, but I can appreciate that you might.

If you would like more information, or if you feel that I am not answering your question correctly, feel free to PM me. I would be glad to answer your question!

That goes for anyone here as well.

[efp1]

I'm actually looking forward to this. I would love to use it to text my girlfriend without having to pay for sms (15 cents per text here in spain, so that's probably like 20-22 cents in dollars). The problem with beejive is that she's never online, so I have to resort to either emails which she doesn't check that often or textfree, which is extremely slow and unstable.

This sounds like a great alternative! If you need any help beta testing, let me know :)

[thelatinist]

For anyone interested, I took SAG3194 up on his offer to discuss this in PMs, and finally discovered what the issue I've been having is. It seems the allure of this application is not what it can do, but what it can't. As I suspected, SAG3194 admits that there is nothing it can do that BeejiveIM cannot (in fact, there are things BeejiveIM does that this app will not); but this application will be limited to mobile platforms and will not interact with desktop clients, and to some people that appears to be important. I'm not sure why that's a selling point, as to me the greater flexibility of traditional IM would appear to increase utility, but at least now it's been explained to me.

I wish SAG3194 luck with his application, and I hope everyone who uses it enjoys it.

[SAG3194]

For anyone interested, I took SAG3194 up on his offer to discuss this in PMs, and finally discovered what the issue I've been having is. It seems the allure of this application is not what it can do, but what it can't. As I suspected, SAG3194 admits that there is nothing it can do that BeejiveIM cannot (in fact, there are things BeejiveIM does that this app will not); but this application will be limited to mobile platforms and will not interact with desktop clients, and to some people that appears to be important. I'm not sure why that's a selling point, as to me the greater flexibility of traditional IM would appear to increase utility, but at least now it's been explained to me.

I wish SAG3194 luck with his application, and I hope everyone who uses it enjoys it.

Thanks!

[cellocello]

So, do the APIs give you access to the phone's SN? Like, how would a typical "Add me to iPM" session go down?

[SAG3194]

So, do the APIs give you access to the phone's SN? Like, how would a typical "Add me to iPM" session go down?

Well it wouldn't be the serial because some people don't want to give out their Serial Number.

I would basically email you my PIN right within the application. The recipient copy and pastes (temporary) the pin into the app.

Or

I could read you my 7 digit pin

[jmdfd415]

Sounds really cool. Im looking forward to this. Me and my girlfriend both have iphones and text each other mostly so this would be a nice alternative.

[SAG3194]

You can now check the status of the app at

http://twitter.com/iIM4iPhone

[vinay427]

SMS: It's BBM for everyone.

Correction:

SMS: It's BBM for everyone without any of the great features.

[Entertainment72]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7158/bbmjunk.jpg

ZING... :D

just j/k

[Entertainment72]

1) BBM is native and no app has to be installed.
2) It's always on.
3) It's threaded.
4) It's close to instantaneous.
5) Messages are free.
6) It feels fun to be part of a cool club.


1) SMS is native and no app has to be installed on iPhone
2) SMS is always on as well
3) SMS on iPhone is also threaded
4) SMS IS instantaneous
5) BBM wins on this one :D but $30/5 = $6 a month for unlimited..;)
6) Um there is NO COOLER CLUB than belonging to the :apple: iPhone club bar none! :cool::D:D:D

[cellocello]

4) SMS IS instantaneous
5) BBM wins on this one :D but $30/5 = $6 a month for unlimited..;)
6) Um there is NO COOLER CLUB than belonging to the :apple: iPhone club bar none! :cool::D:D:D

Well ... not to get TOO into it ... but SMS is no where near instantaneous. It may be instantaneous from time to time, but there's no guarantee of time or even of delivery.

BBMs strong points are the delivery and read receipts. You know when someone has gotten your message. You know when they read it. And you know when they're typing a response.

[LUK3 A11AN]

My mac has been running very slow lately on the internet. I use Fire Fox, and lately it's been taking around 5 minutes for simple pages such as Google.ca to load anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do to fix this?

[Entertainment72]

Everytime I sms someone who is right next to me.. (I know its crazy) yes it is instantaneous and has been proven to be very reliable on 3G.. etc. :)

I also have never known anyone (my personal history) who has never received my text (sms).

[cellocello]

Everytime I sms someone who is right next to me.. (I know its crazy) yes it is instantaneous and has been proven to be very reliable on 3G.. etc. :)

I also have never known anyone (my personal history) who has never received my text (sms).

Well, I've done the same thing with different results.

Yea for anecdotal evidence!

[Entertainment72]

You can belong to the cool BBM club.. I'll belong to the cool iPhone club.. :D Not missing any BBM here.. :)

When At&t finally gets their MMS act together the death star will finally be complete for world domination.. hahaha.

But yes I cannot be all iPhone SMS fanboy.. BBM is coolio.

[cellocello]

You can belong to the cool BBM club.. I'll belong to the cool iPhone club.. :D Not missing any BBM here.. :)

When At&t finally gets their MMS act together the death star will finally be complete for world domination.. hahaha.

But yes I cannot be all iPhone SMS fanboy.. BBM is coolio.

Uh ....

I own an iPhone and not a BB.

I have MMS already, and at&t does not exist where I live.

but ya ... I hear what you're saying?

[Entertainment72]

Canada is like Europe.. they always get the cool stuff first.. :(

[cellocello]

Canada is like Europe.. they always get the cool stuff first.. :(

You're being too kind - you guys had the iPhone for a whole year before us!

(BBM, on the other hand, is a Canadian invention :eek:)

[Rodimus Prime]

keep up the work on the app it holds a lot of promise.

Honestly I am surprised apple has not made something native for the iPhone yet that has the same functionality as BBM.

No please do not say SMS because those are not instant, and cost extra money ontop of the data plan. Plus have limitation on lenght of message.

And if people scream it is a waste I will like to point back to some threads 2 years ago of people screaming how MMS was worthless and old technology.

Also Apple already has done things in the past for things like this that became Mac only. Please look at Bonjor. OSX users can talk amoung them selves on it but everyone else can not.

[scaredpoet]

1. Use a blackberry for a month. 2. Come back to this thread. 3. Try again at actually make an educated response.

It's obvious you've never used the service.

I've used Blackberries. I've even used the Storm for a bit.

It's an ugly UI. I see no benefit of BBM over SMS. And frankly anyone who wants to use BBM is probably going to stick to their Blackberry. And unless an app on the iPhone could interface with the Blackberry network and message Blakcberries, then there's no point. You've just created yet another incompatible chat network, another island that users can't contact people outside of. In fact, you wouldn't even be able to contact every iPhone user, because it would require them to download this app and frankly, you're not going to get 100% penetration. So, what's the point?

Let them have it. For me, SMS works way better and reaches more people.

[katiepea]

iPhone SMS > BBM any day of the week.
i was an owner of the original iphone, and got the iphone 3gs, i missed bbm so much i abandoned the iphone and got a bold, haven't regretted it once, for a second, bbm is extremely better than iphone sms threading, and bbm includes sms threading now also...

[Entertainment72]

Just a general question for BBM users.. how will you "text" or "message" the over 100 million iPhone users :eek: in 2011 with BBM? Will you have to call them.. or just not speak to them or...possibly e-mail?

[Rodimus Prime]

Just a general question for BBM users.. how will you "text" or "message" the over 100 million iPhone users :eek: in 2011 with BBM? Will you have to call them.. or just not speak to them or...possibly e-mail?

you clearly do not understand how BBM works. In those cases you just send an SMS, email or Call them.

BBM is a great tool to chat with other blackberrry owners with out burning text messages. For example I am getting a blackberry for BBM because my GF owns a blackberry. With my class schedule and her work schedule some days we can only talk though text messaging. Well that burns us threw out text messages. Both of us would rather just pay 5 bucks for the 200 text messages and then for the data plan. Move all our messaging though data.

Also while there are things like AIM, MSN ect. They just are not the same. It is much more difficult to talk with some one over the phone to computer than phone to phone. It is completely different type of text messaging. Apple could really milk on this just making something like it.
It saves a lot of strain off limited text message people have.

[kas23]

According to Apple, (after much discussion with AT&T) all this app would do is cause confusion amongst the masses because it will duplicate the SMS App function. Sorry, no go.

[Entertainment72]

Regardless to me SMS is the same (except being able to reach a larger audience) and I don't mind paying $6 a month for unlimited. When MMS rolls out it will be that much nicer.. that is whenever the Death Star gets their act together.

I hear people complain about proprietary Apple this Apple that.. BBM is darn close.

[yalag]

i wonder why the author is still doing this? It has absolutely zero value considering textplus already does this, and for FREE

[Rodimus Prime]

Regardless to me SMS is the same (except being able to reach a larger audience) and I don't mind paying $6 a month for unlimited. When MMS rolls out it will be that much nicer.. that is whenever the Death Star gets their act together.

I hear people complain about proprietary Apple this Apple that.. BBM is darn close.


$6 more unlimited text. With ATT it is $20 for unlimited text (or $30 for unlimited text for a family plan).

200 text message is $5
1500 text message $15
Unlimited Text message $20

[SAG3194]

According to Apple, (after much discussion with AT&T) all this app would do is cause confusion amongst the masses because it will duplicate the SMS App function. Sorry, no go.

It wouldn't duplicate it because our app would be able to send pictures!

[Entertainment72]

$6 more unlimited text. With ATT it is $20 for unlimited text (or $30 for unlimited text for a family plan).

200 text message is $5
1500 text message $15
Unlimited Text message $20

Not when you share $30 with 5 peeps.. :D

[Entertainment72]

It wouldn't duplicate it because our app would be able to send pictures!

Voice, Photos and Video..:cool: Come on Death Star get to it!

[fahadmp]

so where's this app?

[yalag]

so where's this app?

he probably gave up because theres already an app in the appstore that does this for free hehe

[lavinci]

BBM is not such a major feature to be wanted. I'll stick to my iPhone SMS and my 8900's BBM

[SAG3194]

he probably gave up because theres already an app in the appstore that does this for free hehe

I didn't give up.

You could find out status at http://twitter.com/iIM4iPhone

[lostprophet894]

I've used Blackberries. I've even used the Storm for a bit.

It's an ugly UI. I see no benefit of BBM over SMS. And frankly anyone who wants to use BBM is probably going to stick to their Blackberry. And unless an app on the iPhone could interface with the Blackberry network and message Blakcberries, then there's no point. You've just created yet another incompatible chat network, another island that users can't contact people outside of. In fact, you wouldn't even be able to contact every iPhone user, because it would require them to download this app and frankly, you're not going to get 100% penetration. So, what's the point?

Let them have it. For me, SMS works way better and reaches more people.

So the fact that BBM doesn't have a per-message fee isn't a benefit to you?

I think the majority of the population is on the other side of the fence.

[alphatectz]

Does look pretty good doesn't it. One feature I do miss.

There goes the new bbm5, and yes u can now use bbm with txt and a pin number. For people that left a bb for the iPhone there are plenty of new os updates. I'm currently using an iPhone 3gs 32gig and a bb 9000 (bold) with an 8gig memory card and the newest update and bbm5. It's pretty sweet. But to have bbm on an iPhone would be sweeter!!!

[jw nyc]

What's the status of this app? How much will it cost? When will it be available?

[lostprophet894]

What's the status of this app? How much will it cost? When will it be available?

Here ya go:

You could find out status at http://twitter.com/iIM4iPhone

[jkb]

http://itunes.com/app/whatsapp

we just added chat and app went live today. it is exactly like BBM but for iphone. in fact, it is even better since there is no PIN to exchange. will update itunes app store description and screen shots later.

[yalag]

http://itunes.com/app/whatsapp

we just added chat and app went live today. it is exactly like BBM but for iphone. in fact, it is even better since there is no PIN to exchange. will update itunes app store description and screen shots later.

lol sweet, the thread OP must feel like a loser right now LOL all that effort wasted

[jkb]

lol sweet, the thread OP must feel like a loser right now LOL all that effort wasted

oh and its free and it works with all your contacts who also have whatsapp. get it now for free before we add group chat and start charging for it:)

[jkb]

please post feedback on the app. we are trying to track down a bug which causes some "chat connection" weirdness when running the app for the first time only.

[katiepea]

Regardless to me SMS is the same (except being able to reach a larger audience) and I don't mind paying $6 a month for unlimited. When MMS rolls out it will be that much nicer.. that is whenever the Death Star gets their act together.

I hear people complain about proprietary Apple this Apple that.. BBM is darn close.

you are seriously one of the most uniformed unintelligent people on the internet, what is there to bitch about BBM, its free, it doesn't cost extra and its phenomenally better than sms on my iphone or SMS/MMS on any other phones, i have a bold AND an iphone, the bold sees way more use as its a more functional/better phone for a myriad of reasons, if bbm cost extra i'd see your point, but you seem to be suffering from apple egomaniacal wrongfulness , happens a lot. you're not cool cause you bought an iphone, and you should probably just stop typing before you make yourself look even stupider and make the rest of us appear as dumb as you.

[SAG3194]

Hey everyone!

I have looked at the other apps out there (whatsapp,ping!) and used them. I noticed a few things that my app features that theres do not.

Both WhatsApp and Ping! don't use PIN numbers. WhatsApp says that they have an advantage because there is no PIN number to exchange. I think that statement is bogus.

With my app, exchanging PIN numbers is easy!

1) Manually enter the other persons PIN
2) Friend request each other
3) Bluetooth the PIN numbers to each other!

Ping! does not have friend requests which means anyone can IM you and harass you (Like the guy that stole your girlfriend ;) )

On a side note.

The app is almost done! From here on it's just feature add ons and little bugs. Expected to be submitted September 30th.

Feel free to post any questions you have or PM me!

[jkb]

WhatsApp says that they have an advantage because there is no PIN number to exchange. I think that statement is bogus

why is it bogus? think about how SMS works -- do you exchange pins with somebody before you can send them an SMS?

good luck with the app though, can't wait to check it out... what is the name?

[SAG3194]

why is it bogus? think about how SMS works -- do you exchange pins with somebody before you can send them an SMS?

good luck with the app though, can't wait to check it out... what is the name?

You actually do exchange numbers which is kinda like a PIN?

The name is iPM

[sinsin07]

Hey everyone!

I have looked at the other apps out there (whatsapp,ping!) and used them. I noticed a few things that my app features that theres do not.

Both WhatsApp and Ping! don't use PIN numbers. WhatsApp says that they have an advantage because there is no PIN number to exchange. I think that statement is bogus.

With my app, exchanging PIN numbers is easy!

1) Manually enter the other persons PIN
2) Friend request each other
3) Bluetooth the PIN numbers to each other!

Ping! does not have friend requests which means anyone can IM you and harass you (Like the guy that stole your girlfriend ;) )

On a side note.

The app is almost done! From here on it's just feature add ons and little bugs. Expected to be submitted September 30th.

Feel free to post any questions you have or PM me!

Yo dude your out of order. Your slamming someone else's app to promote yours? I think that's bogus. And then you say the App is almost done? I was rooting for both of you.

That being said I think these apps are great.

Question, does your app have message receipts, and can you see when someone is typing a response? Where can I get a list of the features?

Thanks

[sinsin07]

You actually do exchange numbers which is kinda like a PIN?

The name is iPM

How is this pin number derived? I have the phone numbers of the people I will contact, so I don't see how the pin compares to the contact list I already have.

[jkb]

You actually do exchange numbers which is kinda like a PIN?

true, but if i exchange numbers with Bob 5 years ago, why do i need to exchange another number again?

i mean, i see the "privacy" angle, but i personally never have desire to chat with people who's number i already don't know. maybe i am just old fashioned:)

i like the fact that you need to friend somebody though.. that is something ping definitely misses IMHO. if i know your ping ID, i can annoy you six ways from sunday.

The name is iPM

be sure and check that there are other apps in the store which start with "i" -- not sure how apple feels about it... never know with their approval team either.

[Rob Mclovin]

Yo dude your out of order. Your slamming someone else's app to promote yours? I think that's bogus. And then you say the App is almost done? I was rooting for both of you.

That being said I think these apps are great.

Question, does your app have message receipts, and can you see when someone is typing a response? Where can I get a list of the features?

Thanks

You've obviously never seen the Apple vs. PC commercials!

[sinsin07]

You've obviously never seen the Apple vs. PC commercials!

Good point. Is SAG3194 app downloadable somewhere?

[sinsin07]

true, but if i exchange numbers with Bob 5 years ago, why do i need to exchange another number again?

i mean, i see the "privacy" angle, but i personally never have desire to chat with people who's number i already don't know. maybe i am just old fashioned:) >snip

I see your point, but if you are going to use this in the work environment, you made need to converse with someone you don't know to get a job done, like a server team or a Exchange team if your in the field.

[Rodimus Prime]

Yo dude your out of order. Your slamming someone else's app to promote yours? I think that's bogus. And then you say the App is almost done? I was rooting for both of you.

That being said I think these apps are great.

Question, does your app have message receipts, and can you see when someone is typing a response? Where can I get a list of the features?

Thanks

Well I would not call him out of order considering the creator of whatsup game into this thread and bashed SAG app. Considering SAG kept his complaining ONLY to the thread he made about his app I think it is ok and hell it only came after the Whatsupguy came here and bashed his.

You actually do exchange numbers which is kinda like a PIN?

The name is iPM

Something you might want to consider is to also develope this app for Blackberries as well. That way iPhone users would be more willing to look at it as well since they may have a lot of friends already on blackberryies. You could base the Pin system on something where blackberries get to uses their pin numbers and iPhones would have like an extra digit in it to prevent overlap.

Easier for blackberry users because it using an existing number and not to much extra trouble for other phones because you could just add like a '1' as the extra digit of all other phones.

[sinsin07]

Well I would not call him out of order considering the creator of whatsup game into this thread and bashed SAG app. Considering SAG kept his complaining ONLY to the thread he made about his app I think it is ok and hell it only came after the Whatsupguy came here and bashed his. >snip

Sorry, I did not see any evidence where JKB directly bashed SAG's app. His reference was to BBM. The thing I see inappropriate was posting a reference to his app in another developers thread.

[SAG3194]

Good point. Is SAG3194 app downloadable somewhere?

Expected submit date is Wednesday September 30th. That date can vary. Never know. Last minute bugs always happen!

Developer of WhatsApp how long did it take for the app to get accepted?

[jkb]

Expected submit date is Wednesday September 30th. That date can vary. Never know. Last minute bugs always happen!

Developer of WhatsApp how long did it take for the app to get accepted?

these days it takes about two weeks to get reviewed. if apple finds something they don't like, you get rejected, get it fixed, re-submit and wait another two weeks.

[jkb]

Sorry, I did not see any evidence where JKB directly bashed SAG's app. His reference was to BBM. The thing I see inappropriate was posting a reference to his app in another developers thread.

mea culpa

to be honest, i didn't even realize iPM was going to be a product 'til today's post saying that. i was under impression it was just a graphics/name mock up:)

[sinsin07]

mea culpa

to be honest, i didn't even realize iPM was going to be a product 'til today's post saying that. i was under impression it was just a graphics/name mock up:)

From reading the first few post, other people thought the same thing. I again ask Sag, is there somewhere I can read up on your app?

Edit: And yes, I know about last minute bugs. I expect to see some tomorrow morning when I walk into work. :)

Thanks

[E3BK]

Oohhh...I got totally confused and thought Whatsapp was this one. I remember this thread from months ago and wondered why you decided to get rid of the "pin" feature.

Hurry up with this one! lol. Do you need beta testers...cuz I'd def like to be one :)

[Rodimus Prime]

Sorry, I did not see any evidence where JKB directly bashed SAG's app. His reference was to BBM. The thing I see inappropriate was posting a reference to his app in another developers thread.

Page 7 of this thread. I though it was poor form for it to be posted here in another devs thread.

Now I give jkb benfite of the doute for not reading the first post from the dev but he kind of lost his protection from any bashing in this thread the 2nd he did that.


Please note the thread was started a while ago by SAG and was about his apple.

http://itunes.com/app/whatsapp

we just added chat and app went live today. it is exactly like BBM but for iphone. in fact, it is even better since there is no PIN to exchange. will update itunes app store description and screen shots later.

[sinsin07]

Page 7 of this thread. I though it was poor form for it to be posted here in another devs thread.

Now I give jkb benfite of the doute for not reading the first post from the dev but he kind of lost his protection from any bashing in this thread the 2nd he did that.


Please note the thread was started a while ago by SAG and was about his apple.

Sorry, you have no point. The quote you posted has no reference to SAG's app. It refers to BBM. I have already conceded the point that it was not a good idea to post and advert in another developers thread. Before you try to correct someone, make sure you know what you are talking about.

[anjinha]

This app is taking too long to come out. Ping! is getting very popular. It's on the top 20 list of free Social Networking apps and it's constantly getting mentioned on Twitter.

It doesn't matter how good your app is, if all my friends use Ping! I'm going to use Ping! too. I don't want to have 3 different apps, each one to communicate with a select group of iPhone users, this only makes sense if everyone uses the same app.

[E3BK]

This app is taking too long to come out. Ping! is getting very popular. It's on the top 20 list of free Social Networking apps and it's constantly getting mentioned on Twitter.

It doesn't matter how good your app is, if all my friends use Ping! I'm going to use Ping! too. I don't want to have 3 different apps, each one to communicate with a select group of iPhone users, this only makes sense if everyone uses the same app.

I was thinking the same thing until I figured out that ping was crazy draining my battery. I removed it this am and battery function is back to normal. So I'm recommending wapp fir now...but need to see how iPM will run before final decision. :)

[anjinha]

I was thinking the same thing until I figured out that ping was crazy draining my battery. I removed it this am and battery function is back to normal. So I'm recommending wapp fir now...but need to see how iPM will run before final decision. :)

It's not Ping! that's draining the battery since it can't run in the background, it's push. That will happen with any push app.

[jkb]

It's not Ping! that's draining the battery since it can't run in the background, it's push. That will happen with any push app.

well, yes and no. we do use push to notify you of a chat message, but once you start chatting with somebody and you both online, we no longer use push for chat anymore

[IronLogik]

I was thinking the same thing until I figured out that ping was crazy draining my battery. I removed it this am and battery function is back to normal. So I'm recommending wapp fir now...but need to see how iPM will run before final decision. :)

it will not drain your battery any more than another app. If the app is closed then it doesn't drain battery. Only time the app itself uses battery is when it's running. And Push notifications are the same regardless of app. your logic is flawed i think.

[jkb]

And Push notifications are the same regardless of app. your logic is flawed i think.

almost.. small correction:

some apps use push notifications to communicate even if both parties are online and using the app to exchange messages.

some apps (like yahoo messenger) only use push notification to tell you there is a message, but once you connect, they use yahoo proprietary chat to communicate and don't use push anymore.

[Rodimus Prime]

almost.. small correction:

some apps use push notifications to communicate even if both parties are online and using the app to exchange messages.

some apps (like yahoo messenger) only use push notification to tell you there is a message, but once you connect, they use yahoo proprietary chat to communicate and don't use push anymore.

wouldn't a system like that drain the battery very quickly because it requires the phone to constantly have its antenna powered up to full power.

[jkb]

wouldn't a system like that drain the battery very quickly because it requires the phone to constantly have its antenna powered up to full power.

well yes.. if people want applications which don't drain power, there is iFart:)

but if people want to use yahoo messenger or icq or google talk, there is a price to pay...

[SAG3194]

Hey guys!

I want to know what you guys want added to this...

Throw out features to me!


Thanks,
iPM Team

[crazymexx]

Send location w/ map like BBM. Smileys. Picture/video sending. PING(Buzz) friends.

[SAG3194]

Send location w/ map like BBM. Smileys. Picture/video sending. PING(Buzz) friends.

Sending Location - Great Addition

Smileys - Already working on it :)

MMS - One step ahead

PING Buzz - Well... lets leave that feature with PING but lets call it something else for iPM haha

[jw nyc]

Sending Location - Great Addition

Smileys - Already working on it :)

MMS - One step ahead

PING Buzz - Well... lets leave that feature with PING but lets call it something else for iPM haha

When is the app coming out and is it going to be called iPM?

[lostprophet894]

A good looking icon.

Has the first version been submitted to Apple?

[James.123]

This would actually be the best thing in the app store if it comes out! Is there an actual team building the app right now? do they have a website? How far along is the app? I love everything everyone said they want in it, and in addition, you would have to create a contact list system, and possibly a way of seeing if your contacts phones are on (much like bbm does with available and not available) I look forward to helping with this apps production. I would love a SMOOTH RUNNING IPM type application! SO Excited!!!!!!!! If you need bata testers or advise just ask!
Thanks

[AbSoluTc]

So you are telling me iPM is a whole nother app? I thought it was WhatsApp but with a name change. WTF.

So we have..

iPM
WhatsApp
!Ping

Any others yet? Ugh.

[anjinha]

So you are telling me iPM is a whole nother app? I thought it was WhatsApp but with a name change. WTF.

So we have..

iPM
WhatsApp
!Ping

Any others yet? Ugh.

My thoughts exactly.

But honestly if this app doesn't come out soon it won't get much user base, specially if it's paid. Ping came out as free, lots of people started using it and now that it's paid people still get it because it's what all their friends are using. It's no the #1 paid social networking app even though it definitely needs some updates.

[PBF]

TIP: Your app will be the winner IF the UI mirrors the UI of the native Messages app. Then I'd be willing to pay even $10 for it.

P.S. No need for emoticons; there are Emojis.

[E3BK]

it will not drain your battery any more than another app. If the app is closed then it doesn't drain battery. Only time the app itself uses battery is when it's running. And Push notifications are the same regardless of app. your logic is flawed i think.

Sure. Except that as soon as deleted Ping, battery function went back to normal. I didn't delete anything else or change any settings. So I get what your saying and I would probably concur except the real world situation is that Ping was draining my battery.

[SAG3194]

Which Icon looks better? lol just asking!

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=197952&stc=1&d=1254989511

[PBF]

Which Icon looks better? lol just asking!

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=197952&stc=1&d=1254989511
Honestly, I like all three. Though, refine your icon by making the background color a tad lighter for it to stand out from the iPhone background more. Right now, it's a bit too dark.

P.S. Can I follow your project on Twitter?

[SAG3194]

Honestly, I like all three. Though, refine your icon by making the background color a tad lighter for it to stand out from the iPhone background more. Right now, it's a bit too dark.

P.S. Can I follow your project on Twitter?

Of course. http://twitter.com/iPM4iPhone

[sidewinder]

Sure. Except that as soon as deleted Ping, battery function went back to normal. I didn't delete anything else or change any settings. So I get what your saying and I would probably concur except the real world situation is that Ping was draining my battery.

If the app is not running, how can it drain your battery?

S-

[lynxdeb]

Of course. http://twitter.com/iPM4iPhone

when have you idea to release it? Do you have some screenshots?

Thanks :)

[SAG3194]

when have you idea to release it? Do you have some screenshots?

Thanks :)

A website is underway.

[SAG3194]

when have you idea to release it? Do you have some screenshots?

Thanks :)

http://web.me.com/ipm4iphone/iPM/Home.html

There ya go!

[M.a.r.k.]

the ui looks kinda weird, and i don't really like the font... let's hope that's just for the dev version :)

[MBHockey]

Yeah, that font is brutal. What is this, a 1990s AOL chat room filled with teenie boppers? :p

[E3BK]

If the app is not running, how can it drain your battery?

S-

Dude. I don't know. I'm not a dev. All I know is I installed it, it killed my battery. I removed it, battery went back to normal. Done.

[E3BK]

Hey guys!

I want to know what you guys want added to this...

Throw out features to me!


Thanks,
iPM Team

Customizable font? Or at one that won't annoy. No comic sans or that darn felt marker font. Ariel, Helvetica, Veranda, or Apple stock please if there's only going to be one. :p

[lynxdeb]

http://web.me.com/ipm4iphone/iPM/Home.html

There ya go!

hope there is landscape chat..
and please, change font and bubble types, there are horrible :eek:

[jw nyc]

Does this app have any features that SMS doesn't have!? Group chat, delivered/read status, file sending, location sending, status messages etc? If not, it's no better than Ping! or WhatsApp...both of which could be greatly improved as well.

[GeneKam]

I am thinking an option of enabling inchat avatar. Something like the new 5.0 BBM

[imacdaddy]

It will be your serial number.

Honestly, I hope it's not the serial number of the iPhone. The one thing I hated about BBM was whenever I changed to a new BB, I had to announce to all my contacts on BBM of my new PIN. Very annoying and some users are too busy to immediately add.

To make it future proof or less hassle for the end user (ie upgrading iPhones every year or two), the PIN should be the ICCID which identifies the GSM SIM card as the SIM card goes with you...unless you switch carriers. You can get the ICCID in Settings > General > About.

Would be added bonus if you have a feature in your app to pull/copy the ICCID to share it out to other iPM users to add to their list.

[PBF]

Honestly, I hope it's not the serial number of the iPhone. The one thing I hated about BBM was whenever I changed to a new BB, I had to announce to all my contacts on BBM of my new PIN. Very annoying and some users are too busy to immediately add.

To make it future proof or less hassle for the end user (ie upgrading iPhones every year or two), the PIN should be the ICCID which identifies the GSM SIM card as the SIM card goes with you...unless you switch carriers. You can get the ICCID in Settings > General > About.

Would be added bonus if you have a feature in your app to pull/copy the ICCID to share it out to other iPM users to add to their list.
SIM card's not a good idea either as there's always a new SIM card when one upgrades to a new iPhone.

[PBF]

Like everybody else, I hate the chat bubbles as well as the font. Why it is such a problem to mirror the native Messages.app bubbles, font type and size is beyond me. :confused:

[Macom2009]

Also there : iPushIt

+ always on (Push notification)
+ images
+ emoji enabled
+ landscape mode
+ gps localisation (coming in vers 1.6)
+ ui like sms app
+ only $0.99
See :
iPushIt (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=319819339&mt=8)

or

iPushIt Lite (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=331879469&mt=8)

Homepage of iPushIt (http://www.i-app.net/?lang=en)

[SAG3194]

SIM card's not a good idea either as there's always a new SIM card when one upgrades to a new iPhone.

You do not use the serial number. You are presented with a PIN Number when you first open the app.


Like everybody else, I hate the chat bubbles as well as the font. Why it is such a problem to mirror the native Messages.app bubbles, font type and size is beyond me. :confused:

As far as the font and chat bubbles go. I can not mirror the messages application because Apple will reject it. I will do my best to work on it. But for now they remain the same. I would like to know which font you would like...

[PBF]

As far as the font and chat bubbles go. I can not mirror the messages application because Apple will reject it. I will do my best to work on it. But for now they remain the same. I would like to know which font you would like...
Alright, can you at least replicate Beejive chat bubbles, font type and size? Please? :)

[SAG3194]

Alright, can you at least replicate Beejive chat bubbles, font type and size? Please? :)

The customer is always right ;)

[PBF]

The customer is always right ;)
Much appreciated!

One thing that you did better than Beejive is your text input filed, which is similar to the native Messages app. :)

[SAG3194]

Much appreciated!

One thing that you did better than Beejive is your text input filed, which is similar to the native Messages app. :)

We try to make the UI as easy to use as possible.

[AbSoluTc]

http://web.me.com/ipm4iphone/iPM/Home.html

There ya go!

the ui looks kinda weird, and i don't really like the font... let's hope that's just for the dev version :)

Yeah, the font is a no go for the program. The other thing I noticed were the chat bubbles. No 3-D feel to them at all. Flat and lifeless. I don't think Apple has the "patent" on 3-D bubbles. Beejive can do it, so can you :)

[Macom2009]

Yeah, the font is a no go for the program. The other thing I noticed were the chat bubbles. No 3-D feel to them at all. Flat and lifeless. I don't think Apple has the "patent" on 3-D bubbles. Beejive can do it, so can you :)

We use this bubbles in iPushIt also.

http://www.i-app.net/wp-content/uploads/ipushit_main_1.5_de_en.PNGhttp://www.i-app.net/wp-content/uploads/ipushit_map_en.PNG

[James.123]

I also agree that the UI must be updated and right now the app feels a little lifeless and boring. If you look at the Buddy List for Ping app you can see it is color and has more life! To it... I hope this helps

[SAG3194]

Less than 24 hours now until submission!

Getting excited!

http://web.me.com/ipm4iphone/ for more info.

[PBF]

My advice: get rid of the Marker Felt font before submitting.

[ctt1wbw]

Yeah, at least add additions for more fonts. Otherwise, it looks nice.

[SAG3194]

Yeah, at least add additions for more fonts. Otherwise, it looks nice.

We will highly take this into consideration.

[katiepea]

this will undoubtably go NOWHERE, if you want bbm, get a blackberry, this looks like an incredibly hand drawn version of native sms, the entire point of bbm is that all bb's have it and can use it for free, this won't come with iphones, and its ugly as all get out. nobody is gonna use this junk

[ctt1wbw]

this will undoubtably go NOWHERE, if you want bbm, get a blackberry, this looks like an incredibly hand drawn version of native sms, the entire point of bbm is that all bb's have it and can use it for free, this won't come with iphones, and its ugly as all get out. nobody is gonna use this junk

:confused::confused::rolleyes:

[killerbunnie]

:apple:I might be wrong but after watching the Future of Web Apps speaker on the latest Cappuccino updates, i really think that these badly mapped web apps are going to be a thing of the past.

http://blog.freshegg.com/countdown-started-app-boom_1789 :apple:

Its def going to get to a stage like it says in this post where apps find us, push email with be finding us, i just think it all needs to change

[killerbunnie]

We use this bubbles in iPushIt also.

http://www.i-app.net/wp-content/uploads/ipushit_main_1.5_de_en.PNGhttp://www.i-app.net/wp-content/uploads/ipushit_map_en.PNG

this is a nice app

[SAG3194]

App is submitted! More updates soon

[Macom2009]

this is a nice app

Thanks. We are always open for suggestions ....

[SAG3194]

iPM is now available on the Apple App Store.

Click Here To Purchase iPM (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=329663186&mt=8)

[mebx86]

iPM is now available on the Apple App Store.

Click Here To Purchase iPM (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=329663186&mt=8)

it gives an error

[SAG3194]

it gives an error

I know. It will take time. :(

[jkb]

iPM is now available on the Apple App Store.

Click Here To Purchase iPM (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=329663186&mt=8)

congrats!! obviously i know first hand know how much blood, sweat and tears goes into delivering a product like this. now comes the fun part:) enjoy it...

btw, upload more screen shots for the app, i only see one in iTunes.

[SAG3194]

congrats!! obviously i know first hand know how much blood, sweat and tears goes into delivering a product like this. now comes the fun part:) enjoy it...

btw, upload more screen shots for the app, i only see one in iTunes.

Yeah insane amount of work. More screen shots coming!

Fun part = The satisfaction of watching iphoners being happy

[anjinha]

What does this app offer that Ping or WhatsApp don't?