Airport Express with AirTunes [Archive]

MacRumors

Jun 7, 2004, 12:31 PM

Apple announced (http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/) Airport Express today featuring AirTunes.

Enjoy your iTunes music library in virtually any room of your house. Share a single broadband Internet connection and USB printer without inconvenient and obtrusive cables. Create an instant wireless network on the go. Extend the range of your current wireless network. How many devices do you need to do all this? Just one.

The new device is $129.

dopefiend

Jun 7, 2004, 12:32 PM

#6 :p

Very cool device!

entropy1980

Jun 7, 2004, 12:32 PM

OMG this is the coolest thing ever! GO APPLE! I am buying a couple to put all over my house!! :D :D

macridah

Jun 7, 2004, 12:33 PM

Kewl. Did anyone see this coming? Also, if you read the bottom requirements, then you notice AirPort requires iTunes 4.6. We should expect an update soon.

:D

realityisterror

Jun 7, 2004, 12:33 PM

sweet! if only i had an ipod.... :(

don't you just love it when something totally unexpected is thrown at you?!? :D

reality

iSpud

Jun 7, 2004, 12:33 PM

I just bought an airport extreme too... :(

Should I have waited?

Wonder Boy

Jun 7, 2004, 12:34 PM

OMG this is the coolest thing ever! GO APPLE! I am buying a couple to put all over my house!! :D :D

i second that.

utilizer

Jun 7, 2004, 12:35 PM

Whoa :eek:

Totally unexpected in this form anyways; the price point seems on the money considering it's Apple. :p

iostream.h

Jun 7, 2004, 12:35 PM

It only lets you stream the music to one AExpress at a time :(

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 12:35 PM

This looks awesome.. Also points to the iTunes update that will support iTMS Europe.

But I'm afraid at the 129 price point it's gonna cannibalize base station sales :X

yoman

Jun 7, 2004, 12:36 PM

AirPort Express features a single piece ultra-compact design (6.7 ounces) and is expected to be available in July for US$129. AirTunes requires the next version of iTunes (iTunes 4.6), which is expected to be available later this week as a free download.

narco

Jun 7, 2004, 12:36 PM

For Mac and PC? Only $129?

Sign me up for a few. Now I can get rid of that pesky CD player.

// narco

dopefiend

Jun 7, 2004, 12:36 PM

But I'm afraid at the 129 price point it's gonna cannibalize base station sales :X

Its actually missing some of the features base stations.

loneAzdgari

Jun 7, 2004, 12:36 PM

How cool is that?!!! What with iTMS Europe out in 1 week, and now streamed music to my living room!! YAY!

robotrenegade

Jun 7, 2004, 12:37 PM

Nice toy, but a lot just to play music and not be able to control it from that same room. How is this portable? I mean every laptop has wireless cards in them and airport cards at 99.00.

denisg

Jun 7, 2004, 12:38 PM

I was using crappy tibook Airport reception as justification to get a new 12" PB ...... Airport Express kinda messes up my line of thinking.

While this isn't as full featured as the "iBox" concept, it is a great little multi-function device at a nice price point. And DAMNIT, I can see different uses in various rooms. I wonder if they'll sell 'em in 3 or 5 packs at a discount??:)

kristopher902

Jun 7, 2004, 12:38 PM

yes i was wondering about this iTunes 4.6 when i saw it on the requirements page. i'd can't wait to get this AirPort Express though! finally i can play my iTunes library in the other room!

travishill

Jun 7, 2004, 12:40 PM

Nice toy, but a lot just to play music and not be able to control it from that same room. How is this portable? I mean every laptop has wireless cards in them and airport cards at 99.00.

You could say it is a lot for just a wireless music device, but it is also a base station that can share an internet connection in and of itself, a wireless extender for an existing network, AND a wireless music device.

That's what makes $129 a killer price point.

The idea is that you use your iBook/Powerbook in the room and play DJ with iTunes directly to your sound system.

iSpud

Jun 7, 2004, 12:40 PM

So what is the difference between this and the extreme besides portability?

jholzner

Jun 7, 2004, 12:40 PM

Nice toy, but a lot just to play music and not be able to control it from that same room. How is this portable? I mean every laptop has wireless cards in them and airport cards at 99.00.

True...but it's also an airport basestation...for only 129...heck of a lot cheaper than the regular basestation...though I suppose it's missing a few of the basestations feature

yoman

Jun 7, 2004, 12:40 PM

i guess its the new

AIRPORT EXTREME MINI!!!

ddbean

Jun 7, 2004, 12:40 PM

I just bought an airport extreme too... :(

Should I have waited?
Not necessarly, This works WITH an extreme base station to extend wi-fi range, and would let printers pluged into base station share same printer at remote express area.

dopefiend

Jun 7, 2004, 12:41 PM

So what is the difference between this and the extreme besides portability?

http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/specs.html

davecuse

Jun 7, 2004, 12:41 PM

What a handy little gadget! I want one asap!

yoman

Jun 7, 2004, 12:42 PM

So what is the difference between this and the extreme besides portability?

speaker connection, smaller, cheaper. Not as many users supported and other things.

Maclicious

Jun 7, 2004, 12:42 PM

So, could I use this to connect my XBOX to the internet without unplugging my airport basestation and running an ethernet cable through the whole house, as I currently am forced to do? Must read more...

bunkre

Jun 7, 2004, 12:42 PM

Come on WiFi iPod!!!!!

yoman

Jun 7, 2004, 12:43 PM

Did anyone see this coming? Is this the new mystery device thats been rumored for months if not centuries :)

justytylor

Jun 7, 2004, 12:43 PM

Nice toy, but a lot just to play music and not be able to control it from that same room. How is this portable? I mean every laptop has wireless cards in them and airport cards at 99.00.

Well, it also acts as an AirPort base-station, so if you don't already have one, you've got something to play your music to and a wireless access point. The fact that it will seamlessly integrate into your existing AirPort network (and provide other features if you want to take it on the road) for less than one of those Roku Rendezvous-enabled network devices (http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/index.php) is gravy, in my opinion. I almost want to get two: one to replace my old graphite AirPort Base Station and one to put in my living room next to the stereo.

I love Apple. They keep coming up with stuff you never knew you needed until you saw it.

t300

Jun 7, 2004, 12:44 PM

Apple is re-emerging from its cave...And it's coming out firing!

coolfactor

Jun 7, 2004, 12:44 PM

So what is the difference between this and the extreme besides portability?

It has a sound output port.

MightyB

Jun 7, 2004, 12:44 PM

It only lets you stream the music to one AExpress at a time :(

Can'y you open multiple iTunes?
If so, imagine the possibilities of THAT!!!

DJ with one, que up songs with the other, or send somewhere else!

chubad

Jun 7, 2004, 12:45 PM

Apple is going to sell a ton of these. Too Cool. I have my order in already!! :D

MrToast

Jun 7, 2004, 12:46 PM

Wow, that looks insanely useful!

Apple, you've done it again! You've created another product that none of us knew we needed, and you're going to leech another $129 from us! :D Sounds good to me!

Just think: You can sit on your couch, working on something, streaming music to your sound system, surfing the internet....

Wow.....

MrToast

keysersoze

Jun 7, 2004, 12:48 PM

Apple announced (http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/) Airport Express today featuring AirTunes.

The new device is $129.

SWEET JESUS IT HAS OPTICAL-OUT CAPABILITIES!!!! :D :) :D :) :D

kwajo.com

Jun 7, 2004, 12:48 PM

this is definitely one of those things that is new and everyone wants and within a month or two about 3 other companies will have exact replicas of on the market for 20-30 bucks less. what i mean is that apple is going to spawn a new series of small basestations with audio capabilities. another great idea from apple to be sure. i wish i could afford one :(

Lancetx

Jun 7, 2004, 12:48 PM

I assume this would work as a Wi-Fi range extender with 3rd party 802.11g routers as well and doesn't require an Apple AirPort Extreme base station right?

jholzner

Jun 7, 2004, 12:49 PM

Soooo...perhaps future iPods will have wifi ability but not to sync...but to stream from ipod to a stereo. That would mean you WOULD have control over what you were playing right from the room you were playing it...and not even have to preselect it from iTunes.

iriejedi

Jun 7, 2004, 12:49 PM

Once I get a G5 - this is next - common Apple release one G5 and you will sell two products!
;)

What a handy little gadget! I want one asap!

dopefiend

Jun 7, 2004, 12:49 PM

and within a month or two about 3 other companies will have exact replicas of on the market for 20-30 bucks less.

Wahoo! I can't wait :D

spick@greyfirst

Jun 7, 2004, 12:49 PM

I too immediately thought of wireless xbox connectivity. Looks like it should be able to handle it. I was thinking of getting the cheaper linksys or d-link wireless console connector but will definately reconsider if AE will support consoles.

If anyone has the chance to test this out, please let us know.

robotrenegade

Jun 7, 2004, 12:50 PM

Did anyone see that you need iTunes 4.6?

ddbean

Jun 7, 2004, 12:51 PM

It only lets you stream the music to one AExpress at a time :(

Not according to this from the press release...
"and multiple AirPort Express base stations can be bridged together to send music to extended areas."

the_wallcrawler

Jun 7, 2004, 12:51 PM

this is perfect timing since ill be moving to a new, larger apartment soon and will probably need to extend/strengthen my airport range. sign me up for one of these!

laubowski

Jun 7, 2004, 12:51 PM

Steve jobs is on cnbc right now.

tune in

Trekkie

Jun 7, 2004, 12:51 PM

Dang, apple just saved me about $150 and on top of that I can now play iTMS songs above what I was waiting for! I'd ordered the Roku Soundbridge (delayed again) and was bummed it wouldn't play iTMS songs due to the closed Fairplay stuff.

But now with this I can plug it in behind the stereo, hook up the optical connection and off I go!

Sweet. $39 for the adapter kit was a tiny bit steep I think but still It's on order, and now waiting for July to get here

CyberB0b

Jun 7, 2004, 12:52 PM

Enjoy your iTunes music library in virtually any room of your house. Share a single broadband Internet connection and USB printer without inconvenient and obtrusive cables.

I already do this. My desktop is connected to a printer and my stereo. Wireless printing care of CUPS printer sharing, and remote music playing care of xmms and redirecting my DISPLAY using X11.app. Oh, and I have a wireless G router to share the internet connection.

I guess if I didn't have the desktop and router I would get one.

DigDug

Jun 7, 2004, 12:52 PM

I had a suspicion when the G5 had optical audio out, but now that this device (clearly aimed at a non-audio-professional market) has an optical output, I'm convinced that iTMS is going to offer multichannel 5.1 surround sound audio files.

Which I, for one, welcome: I think surround sound is awesome, but with the limited availability of SACD/DVD-A titles, and the investment of getting new equipment, it's just not worth it, even for those of us who already have dorky multi-speaker surround-sound home theater systems.

Here's an opportunity to take real advantage of the fact that computers are software-based, while traditional stereo equipment is not.

So that's my guess: 5.1 AAC, possibly included in this week's iTunes 4.6 but probably later than that. Who's with me?

-DigDug.

Trekkie

Jun 7, 2004, 12:53 PM

I assume this would work as a Wi-Fi range extender with 3rd party 802.11g routers as well and doesn't require an Apple AirPort Extreme base station right?

After reading through the tech specs, the way it reads - yes.

I can see many uses for it besides just iTunes extensions. For example I was at an Embassy suites and the wireless internet they offered didn't reach beyond the front door. I could plug one of these guys in on an n outlet near that door, extend that network into my room and off I go.

Very cool. Got one on order, and depends on how it works might carry a second with me.

D0ct0rteeth

Jun 7, 2004, 12:53 PM

I will buy one today after work.

The only thing that could make this cooler is a firewire port so you could connect external hard drives..

put 200gigs of music on a external hard drive.. put that in your home theatre cabinet along with the speakers, cable modem and printer.. and be able to just walk around with your powerbook w/o ever having to plug it it again.

- Doc

PDubNYC

Jun 7, 2004, 12:55 PM

But I'm afraid at the 129 price point it's gonna cannibalize base station sales :X

Good, the base station is so ridiculously overpriced, they should either cut it's price in half, or drop it all together, in my opinion anyway.

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 7, 2004, 12:57 PM

I really want one of these. Now my iBook is connected to the stereo via a 5 m (15 ft) cord. With an Airport Express I only have to figure out how to get rid of the power cord and I'm forever wireless.

Let's see... what's more likely: Wireless power OR extreme long lasting fuel cell technology to replace the battery...?

Hey this can replace the old 802.11b base I'm having, can't it...? Letting me utilize the full speed of the Airport Extreme card in my iBook... :)

biw314

Jun 7, 2004, 12:57 PM

I went looking on apple's site after i noticed my stock jumped a bit. sure enough...

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 12:58 PM

Its actually missing some of the features base stations.

Yes, I know, but it is not missing features that home users will notice.

yangchi

Jun 7, 2004, 12:59 PM

So u cannot use it as a 802.11g router. If you have more than one computer at home, you still need a base station. :cool:

micvog

Jun 7, 2004, 12:59 PM

Its actually missing some of the features base stations.

As far as I can tell:

ADVANTAGES TO AEBS
+ LAN Port
+ Stronger Signal (the new device is awfully small and would be by an outlet instead of on a desk so I am guessing the AEBS will offer a stronger signal)
+ Available modem port, external antenna and Power over Ethernet

ADVANTAGES TO AIRPORT EXPRESS
+ Audio out
+ Smaller, cleaner design (no power cable)
+ Cheaper

Did I miss anything?

Foxer

Jun 7, 2004, 01:00 PM

mid-July. Well, at least I don't have to run out to the Apple Store this afternoon.

crees!

Jun 7, 2004, 01:01 PM

vollspacken

Jun 7, 2004, 01:02 PM

OMG!!! I have to have at least 2!!!

:D

vSpacken

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 01:02 PM

ddbean

Jun 7, 2004, 01:03 PM

I went looking on apple's site after i noticed my stock jumped a bit. sure enough...

Looks like it might break it's 52-week high

"9:57AM Apple Computer nearing Friday/52-wk close high (AAPL) 29.22 +0.44: -- Technical -- The issue set a new recovery high off of its late April low on Friday (29.25) which left it just shy of resistance at its 52-wk close high of 29.30. Solid gains in early action today leave AAPL just below these levels once again (session high 29.20). If a sustained breach is seen, the April/52-wk intraday high comes into play thereafter at 29.58."

pjkelnhofer

Jun 7, 2004, 01:03 PM

Did anyone see that you need iTunes 4.6?

Obviously AirTunes would require an update to iTunes since 4.5 doesn't have the remote speaker selection feature.

I have no real use for the Airport Express, but I have to admit it a pretty freakin' cool product and I bet it sells very well. Not to mention none of us saw it coming.

Trekkie

Jun 7, 2004, 01:03 PM

Good, the base station is so ridiculously overpriced, they should either cut it's price in half, or drop it all together, in my opinion anyway.

It won't necessarily cut the sales of the AEBS. The AEBS supports 50 users, modems, external antennaes. Perfect for businesses. The AE supports the home folks with some cool features.

I'm really excited about it that being said. I've got two base stations in the house and this is just too cool

D0ct0rteeth

Jun 7, 2004, 01:05 PM

mid-July. Well, at least I don't have to run out to the Apple Store this afternoon.

Nice. I missed that.

You just saved me 130 bucks and a drive to memphis :)

Le Big Mac

Jun 7, 2004, 01:05 PM

I have no real use for the Airport Express, but I have to admit it a pretty freakin' cool product and I bet it sells very well. Not to mention none of us saw it coming.

I wouldn't mind a hardwired one. Heck, I've already gone to the effort of wiring my home for ethernet. How about an ethernet dongle with audio out that I can plug right into my stereo?

Belly-laughs

Jun 7, 2004, 01:06 PM

Let the product launch extravaganza begin!

Don´t you just feel more alive now?

Tastannin

Jun 7, 2004, 01:07 PM

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 01:07 PM

So u cannot use it as a 802.11g router. If you have more than one computer at home, you still need a base station. :cool:

That is completely wrong.

ddbean

Jun 7, 2004, 01:09 PM

I wouldn't mind a hardwired one. Heck, I've already gone to the effort of wiring my home for ethernet. How about an ethernet dongle with audio out that I can plug right into my stereo?

You CAN use this as a hardwired option if you have an ethernet cable near your stereo. iTunes will still see this over the network.

ipacmm

Jun 7, 2004, 01:10 PM

cool.....i just ordered one

AirUncleP

Jun 7, 2004, 01:10 PM

Apple stock up 3.3% and rising. Good Job Apple!

k.double

Jun 7, 2004, 01:11 PM

You CAN use this as a hardwired option if you have an ethernet cable near your stereo.

this is wrong. the airport express has a WAN-only ethernet port to allow the sharing of a dsl/cable connection.

pjkelnhofer

Jun 7, 2004, 01:11 PM

So u cannot use it as a 802.11g router. If you have more than one computer at home, you still need a base station. :cool:

I don't think you are correct, it says that it supports 10 users. I would assume that makes it a router.

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 01:11 PM

Yeah, AirUncle..

It was funny to watch Stevo on TV and watch the apple stock ticker going up and up and up :P

kwajo.com

Jun 7, 2004, 01:12 PM

Anyone notice that the Airport Express unit seems to be the same size and form factor of the Powerbook AC adapters? Mention of the power extension cord and the animated graphic seem to clinch it for me.

Hope someone doesn't confuse their PB AC adapter for an Airport Express base and get mad. LOL :D

lol that would be fun :P

but you bring up something interesting, how cool would it be if in a year or whenever that all powerbook power adapters had built in 802.11g capabilities. one small device for both and you would always have airport wherever you go. even if you had the option when you buy your system, regular power adapter or Airport-enabled adapter for $X more. Apple I hope you are listening

Powerbook G5

Jun 7, 2004, 01:14 PM

I just ordered one. Not bad for only $119. I wonder if this would work with my Linksys Wireless-B router. If not, I guess I can sell it to my friend and use this in its place. I wonder if it has security features such as WEP and such. I also wonder how to work it with my setup. My printer and my stereo are on opposite sides of my room. I wonder if I can either get a really long USB cord or if I'll have to move my printer closer to my Pioneer system. Either way, this is great. I was actually thinking of going to Staples or Office Max to look for some sort of wireless printer system so I could hook up my printer and this came out just in time. I just wish it will ship sooner than "mid-July" so I can test it out.

nsb3000

Jun 7, 2004, 01:15 PM

So u cannot use it as a 802.11g router. If you have more than one computer at home, you still need a base station. :cool:

Not true. The difference between and access point and a router is that a router creates a local area network (LAN) with internal IP address that all share one external IP address.

An accese point on the other hand acts lick a cheap ethernet switch, it does allow you have multiple computer connected at the same time, but they will all get there own external IP addresses. Now, I realize that many broadband providers may not allow this, or charge extra for extra IP addresses, but on my college campus I have been using an Access point for about 6 months with no problems.

An access point can also be used to extend a LAN created by a router.

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 01:15 PM

lol that would be fun :P

but you bring up something interesting, how cool would it be if in a year or whenever that all powerbook power adapters had built in 802.11g capabilities. one small device for both and you would always have airport wherever you go. even if you had the option when you buy your system, regular power adapter or Airport-enabled adapter for $X more. Apple I hope you are listening

Yeah.. but what's the point without a ethernet connection to the adaptor? I mean, you can make a wireless ad-hoc from your laptop :X

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 01:16 PM

dontmatter

Jun 7, 2004, 01:16 PM

As far as I can tell:

ADVANTAGES TO AEBS
+ LAN Port
+ Stronger Signal (the new device is awfully small and would be by an outlet instead of on a desk so I am guessing the AEBS will offer a stronger signal)
+ Available modem port, external antenna and Power over Ethernet

ADVANTAGES TO AIRPORT EXPRESS
+ Audio out
+ Smaller, cleaner design (no power cable)
+ Cheaper

Did I miss anything?

Or, to put it differently, this is new apple innovation, what apple is best at. AEBS is just wifi, and other people have done it better and cheaper, now that it's common. So advantages of AEBS=wifi is huge and apple can sell it to unsuspecting saps at very large profit margin, but almost nobody will buy it instead of some other router. Advantages of Airport Express: People will actually buy it, because it's the only thing out there doing quite what it does. And, itunes is such a big hit.

chipcarterdc

Jun 7, 2004, 01:16 PM

I need your help here. The house we bought as a sound system throughout the house (used via a Niles keypad on the main floor). For some reason, the previous owners set it up so that the receiver must be in the basement (that's where all the input wires are). Seems kinda stupid b/c if I'm in the living room, I can turn the stereo on and control volume thru the keypad on the main floor, but to select music (either via a CD changer or my iPod plugged into the stereo), I'd have to go to the basement. So, the current plan is that they are going to convert the subwoofer wires in the living room into female inputs, so I can plug my iPod into that via an RCA cable (but I lose the subwoofer). These wires run to the receiver in the basement.

Now: does the Airport Express change this? We're planning on setting up a home network anyway. Could I set up the Airport Express in the basement; plug it into the receiver downstairs; then stream music from my laptop to the Airport Express downstairs (assuming it's within signal range)? Thereby leaving the existing living room wires free for a subwoofer and not needing to plug my iPod in everytime I want to play music thru the whole house system? And it allows me to select music from the laptop while I'm sitting my lazy butt on the couch, rather than getting up and changing the track on the iPod. Could it be this cool? Or am I misisng something?

bertagert

Jun 7, 2004, 01:17 PM

I think this thing has no real use for streaming songs. You're much better off with a third party player like roku. Little dissappointed that Apple coould have done better. Maybe they'll make a player later this year with an LCD.

pwfletcher

Jun 7, 2004, 01:17 PM

... WiFi iPod where your music follows you from AE equipped room to AE equipped room. Add a few X-10 units with some rather simple programming, and the iPod hanging on your belt will automatically turn the lights on as you enter a room and off as you leave.

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 01:18 PM

jesuscandle

Jun 7, 2004, 01:18 PM

So u cannot use it as a 802.11g router. If you have more than one computer at home, you still need a base station. :cool:

Can you explain the difference?

edit: (answered above.)

thanks.

D0ct0rteeth

Jun 7, 2004, 01:18 PM

...how cool would it be if in a year or whenever that all powerbook power adapters had built in 802.11g capabilities. one small device for both and you would always have airport wherever you go. even if you had the option when you buy your system, regular power adapter or Airport-enabled adapter for $X more. Apple I hope you are listening

Very cool idea. But again I would ask for a firewire port too.

- Doc

proglife

Jun 7, 2004, 01:21 PM

Where is this Optical out? I don't see it.

I would have preferred a Coaxial digital out, but what are you going to do :p

So this little thing has a D/A converter in it? Can't be too hot. Let's hope the optical is good.

dxp4acu

Jun 7, 2004, 01:22 PM

i cant seem to find it yet- how much is it with educational pricing?? I know Panther is regularly 129, but falls to 69 with edu. Could we expect the same here???? :D

zach

Jun 7, 2004, 01:23 PM

Can you explain the difference?

thanks.

He's wrong.. It works for >1 computer.

Nobs

Jun 7, 2004, 01:24 PM

Is this the solution for people who want to finally go online with the PS2, but don't want to run cables all over the freakin' house to do so?

uzombie

Jun 7, 2004, 01:24 PM

Does this act like a Roku (aside from display)?
Can I connect to a wired network and broadcast to my receiver?
What if I want to have two in my home? (one in den and one in living room?)

Seems like a nice surprise. Thank you Steve! (and Apple).

:)

russed

Jun 7, 2004, 01:24 PM

does anyone reckon the ywill come out with an adaptor so to make an ordinary aebs will have the audio out? i kind of wish i didnt dish out for my base station now!

also this makes me think that new ipods are going to have wireless capebilities, think of that at parties, just bring your ipod along and put the music on!

denm316

Jun 7, 2004, 01:26 PM

Does not ship till Mid-July...typical Apple

ddbean

Jun 7, 2004, 01:27 PM

this is wrong. the airport express has a WAN-only ethernet port to allow the sharing of a dsl/cable connection.

I guess then you'd need at least 1 computer/laptop with Airport card? (I'm still not convinced since Airport Express uses Rendezvous.)

bluedevil97

Jun 7, 2004, 01:28 PM

. . .Apple should make it so that all sound from your laptop can be sent to the Airport Express, not just iTunes. Adding this function to the sound control panel shouldn't be that difficult. It could let you always use the same speakers as iTunes, or select a different set. Allowing wireless sound for your games and movies as well.

Finiksa

Jun 7, 2004, 01:29 PM

Where is this Optical out? I don't see it.

The optical and analogue ports are the one port, just like on a Sony MiniDisc.

chipcarterdc

Jun 7, 2004, 01:29 PM

Rex44

Jun 7, 2004, 01:31 PM

It's worth underscoring that this is a cross-platform product, extending the cross-platform iTunes software. This means there will be a huge market for these things, and they could be another effective little tool in helping to further reclaim both mindshare and marketshare.

This may be a bit fanciful, but I have this extremely optimistic notion that one day, after they've added some unknown number of things to their amazing lineup that the dam will burst and the buying masses will see the light, and Apple will truly become a major player again. We shall see. At the very least, things certainly are getting more and more interesting.

robotrenegade

Jun 7, 2004, 01:32 PM

Apple sucked me in!!!!!

Zorkon

Jun 7, 2004, 01:32 PM

Here's an interesting thought:

I would imagine that the Airport Express uses an internal antenna to guarantee signal strength/quality.

But...

Imagine the possibilities if it used your house wiring as an antenna instead? :)

(realistic possibilities include signal degradation, multi-path reflection issues, lots of extra noise, etc... but I'm ignoring those for the sake of this post)

Yup, tech specs indicate an internal antenna as expected. Ah well... ;)

Finiksa

Jun 7, 2004, 01:33 PM

i cant seem to find it yet- how much is it with educational pricing?? I know Panther is regularly 129, but falls to 69 with edu. Could we expect the same here???? :D

$119, don't expect more than 10-15% discount on hardware. $69 would be below cost, Panther is so cheap because the disks and package only cost a couple of dollars to produce.

PDubNYC

Jun 7, 2004, 01:34 PM

lol that would be fun :P

but you bring up something interesting, how cool would it be if in a year or whenever that all powerbook power adapters had built in 802.11g capabilities. one small device for both and you would always have airport wherever you go. even if you had the option when you buy your system, regular power adapter or Airport-enabled adapter for $X more. Apple I hope you are listening

what would this accomplish? how is it AES if is plugged into you machine and the wall? Am I missing something, or what? AES is already built-in powerbooks, without having this cable attached. Huh?

I must but retarded today or something.

Frisco

Jun 7, 2004, 01:35 PM

garyuk

Jun 7, 2004, 01:36 PM

Wow thats top, i can replace the airport base stations from under the setee in the living room, my mums been moaning at me for ages about them.... also can now get rid of the last 11mbps base station in my brothers room, the audio out is also a added bonus everyone else uses Windows PC's / Laptops in my house but i have managed to convert them to iTunes, this means the stereo's / hifi's dont have to be near the pc anymore... nice one apple, you always manage to amaze people.

Just hope its out in the uk sometime soon :)

gola

Jun 7, 2004, 01:38 PM

Anybody know if the airtunes streaming works with only the older airport cards (not extreme g speed, but b)? Too slow for music streaming?

technocoy

Jun 7, 2004, 01:39 PM

i can use my long range bluetooth and this badboy in a great combination! you just use your sony ericsson clicker in conjunction with the airport express and boom you can view your songs and controll them in the room you are in.!

technocoy

chipcarterdc

Jun 7, 2004, 01:41 PM

Excellent. Thanks for the responses. This is my first time posting here, and I'm happy that I didn't get slapped around for newbie questions, like on so many other boards.

If anyone has any other suggestions on my proposed setup, I'll keep listening.

Yes that's right. You don't need both. Just buy Airport Express, unless you plan on having more than 10 users/computers connecting to the Airport, but that's unlikely.

Your DSl/Cable Modem will plug directly into the Airport Express which is mounted to an A/C Jack.

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 7, 2004, 01:42 PM

OMG this is the coolest thing ever! GO APPLE! I am buying a couple to put all over my house!! :D :D

What would be the advantage of this? i thought bridging was possible only with the Air Extreme, not two express's.

ddbean

Jun 7, 2004, 01:45 PM

What would be the advantage of this? i thought bridging was possible only with the Air Extreme, not two express's.

According to the original press release you can bridge between express

LaMerVipere

Jun 7, 2004, 01:45 PM

THIS IS SO DAMN COOL!!!

I was going to have to get some third-party WiFi device for use with my new powerbook when i get it. There was no way I was going to spend 300 for an airport extreme base station.

Now, I get 802.11g wireless, plus wireless printing, plus AirTunes, all for only $119.00! (w/student discount) I can connect this baby to my creature speakers and be streaming music while on my bed and surfing the internet wirelessly! *EXPERIENCING MULTIPLE JOYGASMS*

"HAAAAAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AAAAAAAAAGAIN!"

It's always a happy day when you can give money to Apple and do so because it's not only a great product but a GREAT DEAL! :)

d00d

Jun 7, 2004, 01:45 PM

what would this accomplish? how is it AES if is plugged into you machine and the wall? Am I missing something, or what? AES is already built-in powerbooks, without having this cable attached. Huh?

I must but retarded today or something.
No, you're not retarded. He is. His idea makes no sense. AT ALL. Here's why:
1) all Powerbooks come with Airport built-in now
2) there's no reason to have your AC adapter give you wireless internet access when you're going to need to have the ethernet cord right next to you attached to the AC plug
3) if you want to supply wireless access to others through your ethernet connection, just turn on internet sharing and use your own airport card to act as a base station

Some people need to think things through.

crees!

Jun 7, 2004, 01:47 PM

Does not ship till Mid-July...typical Apple

It's called PRE-ORDERING. Ever heard of it? Typical Apple and typical everyone else too.

bar italia

Jun 7, 2004, 01:48 PM

think of that at parties, just bring your ipod along and put the music on!

Am I missing something?

How would this be any more convenient/efficient than simply attaching your iPod to a stereo with a standard connector?

What advantage would the new device provide?

Also, echoing other people's questions -- can you use this to get an XBox/PS2 online?

CoreForce

Jun 7, 2004, 01:48 PM

Anyone can tell me if this thing works with a library only? Will it be possible to push a radio station live stream to an Airport Express/AirTunes thing as well?

I wonder about this since the pages always talk about library only...

mactastic

Jun 7, 2004, 01:48 PM

Man I've got to get me one of these. Or two.... :D

Now I just need the iPod to get wifi, and a module to connect this to your car stereo and I'll be set musically.

Zorkon

Jun 7, 2004, 01:49 PM

Does not ship till Mid-July...typical Apple

Wah. :)

Sorry, not just typical Apple but typical computer industry. It is extremely common for companies to announce products before they are actually available. This is usually done for two reasons:

1) To be the first company to make such an announcement. If both you and your competitor have similar products, whoever gets theirs announced first, usually wins (see below re: vapourware).

2) To drive up demand for the product.

These strategies can backfire though, if a product is announced too far in advance of it's availability. A one-month lead time is not bad. But take for example a company like <a href="http://www.oqo.com">OQO</a>, who announced their little tablet PC device nearly two years ago if I recall correctly. It's only *now* that prototypes are being seen. They lost a lot of the initial interest, and their product was branded as vapourware for the longest time.

So, to sum it up: By pre-announcing a product before it is actually available, Apple is following a long-standing tradition in the computer world.

(should I even dare mention Longhorn? Microsoft's "new" OS that's been pushed back to 2007? Now THAT's a pre-announcement!)

dosage

Jun 7, 2004, 01:50 PM

The only thing that could make this cooler is a firewire port so you could connect external hard drives..

Yeah, why can't this happen?

michaelrjohnson

Jun 7, 2004, 01:50 PM

not to be a downer, i'm excited like everyone else, but don't we think we could read apple's pages on the product before posting obvious questions?

that aside, i am very excited about the possiblilities of this device. Not only is it one of the few devices on the market that can accomplish this, it is low cost and both Mac and *PC* compatible. That's a huge selling point, and i think apple understands that now. ;)

ramallite

Jun 7, 2004, 01:50 PM

I use Salling clicker to control iTunes from anywhere in the house with my bluetooth phone. This is great!! Now I can finally move the stereo out of the bedroom and set it somewhere that's more convenient because it won't have to stay within 3 feet of my computer because it won't have to be plugged into it!!

dgoss

Jun 7, 2004, 01:51 PM

I love this company. I should have bought my stock in them six months ago when I was thinking about it - I'm hopping on now and just went to etrade... We love you, Apple. Great freaking product. Someone said it earlier - Apple just made a product we didn't know we needed, etc. Aside from the very cool streaming, I travel a lot and set up ad hoc offices and this thing is awesome for hotel rooms! Way to go.

chipcarterdc

Jun 7, 2004, 01:51 PM

From the info on Apple's site:

"5. AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express can extend the range only of an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express wireless network."

Assuming that I understand this correctly, my plan is to have one Airport Express acting as the primary base station, connected to the stereo in the basement. And a second Airport Express upstairs on the third floor, connected to the stereo in the bedroom and also extending the signal sent from the one in the basement (I'm assuming that the Airport signal will not travel all the way upstairs, so even without my stereo machinations, I'd need something to get a signal on that floor).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

What would be the advantage of this? i thought bridging was possible only with the Air Extreme, not two express's.

scottkle

Jun 7, 2004, 01:51 PM

Hi. Can I get some help understanding this?

1. I have a powerbook with an airport card (802.11b (not g)) hooked up to a Netgear router. I surf wirelessly, my girlfriend uses her imac through the router, albeit not wirelessly.

So if I get one of these for the bedroom for streaming itunes ... it has nothing to do with the network? I mean, it won't affect the existing network at all?

2. Can I get a Playstation, plug the ethernet cable into it and play without hooking it into my router across the room? Is this the bridge needed to do that?

Thank you.

applekid

Jun 7, 2004, 01:52 PM

Only if I could use that ethernet port to hook it up to my old Macs, and use the Aiport Express like a card. THAT would be great.

Airport Express is useless for me.

kwajo.com

Jun 7, 2004, 01:52 PM

No, you're not retarded. He is. His idea makes no sense. AT ALL. Here's why:
1) all Powerbooks come with Airport built-in now
2) there's no reason to have your AC adapter give you wireless internet access when you're going to need to have the ethernet cord right next to you attached to the AC plug
3) if you want to supply wireless access to others through your ethernet connection, just turn on internet sharing and use your own airport card to act as a base station

Some people need to think things through.

it makes sense like this:

i go to a hotel with broadband access and my powerbook is with me, i pop the adapter into the wall, attach the ethernet cable and then i can use the powerbook all over the room, such as in bed, etc. like i would at home. later when the battery needs topping up i just go plug it into the same device. it's more the idea of having a wi-fi access point with you whereever you go that i think would be cool. yes if the ports were in a convenient place it wouldnt' matter, but usually they aren't

Elbeano

Jun 7, 2004, 01:52 PM

Ok, I'm already drooling over this product because I was about to move, and I would have been buying a seperate wireless access point for my xbox, a wireless creative thing for putting music to my stereo from my PC, and waste time trying to use my PC as a wireless print server (which I've heard is a bit of a pain). I will definately get one either way, but I will say I think this is missing something.

If it has optical out, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE DOLBY DIGITAL OUT???? This would be amazing for dvd's, and dvd-audio. I really hope they're not going to limit the audio aspect of this product to iTunes. That would be a waste.

clonenode

Jun 7, 2004, 01:53 PM

Please excuse the ignorant question (I haven't set up a home network yet): This acts as a base station as well, right? I.e., when I get my DSL or cable connection at home, I plug this Airport Express into the DSL/Cable modem jack and the stereo (assuming they're phsyically close enough) and the Airport Express sends out a wireless signal? In other words, I don't need this AND an Airport Extreme base station, right?

One other question: is there a piece of hardware that goes between the wall jack for DSL or Cable connection and the Airport (Express/Extreme)? What I'm asking is: does the Airport station (of whatever flavor) plug directly into the wall jack, or is there an intervening piece of hardware (like a modem?).

Correct. The positioning of it is tricky, since you need to plug it directly into an outlet, but it IS a base station. They are promoting for use in hotel rooms, where you can typically find an Ethernet port near the phone or TV. Just realize this unit will not have the 150 range of the regular Airport Extreme Base Station.

Note: There IS an AC extension power cord available as an accessory - $39 as part of the "Audio Kit."

Any normal flavor of Base Station gets electricity directly, by plugging into the wall. Nothing needed in between... except maybe a surge protector. There IS a special Base Station that gets its "electricity over ethernet" for special networking uses.

scottkle

Jun 7, 2004, 01:54 PM

But .. .YOU READ IT HERE FIRST ... Next is an Apple Remote Control with RF modulation that goes through walls. Here's why:

As it stands now, you hook this thing up in your bedroom. Your iMac is in the living room running iTunes. A song comes on that you hate. You can't change the song now without getting up.

Enter the remote that features either the wireless firewire that's coming and/or RF modulation. It's a super remote with an ipod like screen that lets you control iTunes from ANYWHERE in your house.

I'm not one to make predictions, especially on stuff that hasn't even been mentioned, but think about it. It's logical and almost necessary based on what they released today.

Seriously, doesn't this just beg for this type of attachment? Otherwise, musically, it's lacking the most basic necessity. A means to change the song!

kwajo.com

Jun 7, 2004, 01:54 PM

Yeah, why can't this happen?

cause it would be really really slow for firewire use.most firewire devices require its large bandwidth, and 802.11 doesn't even come close

datafatmunger

Jun 7, 2004, 01:58 PM

Is this iTunes audio only. . .or all outgoing audio?

bar italia

Jun 7, 2004, 01:58 PM

As it stands now, you hook this thing up in your bedroom. Your iMac is in the living room running iTunes. A song comes on that you hate. You can't change the song now without getting up.

This begs the question: Why would you have a song in your iTunes library that you hate?

Enter the remote that features either the wireless firewire that's coming and/or RF modulation. It's a super remote with an ipod like screen that lets you control iTunes from ANYWHERE in your house.

Why wouldn't Apple release this product simultaneously with the Airport Express?

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 7, 2004, 01:58 PM

After reading through the tech specs, the way it reads - yes.

I can see many uses for it besides just iTunes extensions. For example I was at an Embassy suites and the wireless internet they offered didn't reach beyond the front door. I could plug one of these guys in on an n outlet near that door, extend that network into my room and off I go.

Very cool. Got one on order, and depends on how it works might carry a second with me.

Will you let me know if you are at an Embassy Suites in my area when you do that? http://forums.macrumors.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=873383#

Seriously though I like your idea, but don't trust people...

jkhanson

Jun 7, 2004, 01:59 PM

I assume this would work as a Wi-Fi range extender with 3rd party 802.11g routers as well and doesn't require an Apple AirPort Extreme base station right?

According to #5 on the bottom of this page . . .

http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/

. . . you can't use the AirportExpress to bridge with a third-party router. Maybe there is a workaround?

chipcarterdc

Jun 7, 2004, 02:00 PM

My home stereo is currently set up with an iPod plugged into it. I see a couple of advantages to the Airport Express streaming:

(1) control song selection and sounds from the couch with your laptop, rather than getting up and messing around with the iPod (OK, I can kind of do this already with the infrared remote for my iPod, but you can't see what song is playing or coming up from across the room).

(2) Keep your iPod where it belongs -- on your person or in your bag at all times -- rather than having to swap it in and out to the stereo.

(3) As currently set up, I have to get the iPod out of my bag; pop it into the dock; attach the infrared remote into which the RCA cables run to the top of the iPod; keep it from flipping over due to the cables plugged in to the top of the Pod; and reverse the whole process when I want to take the iPod with me.

(4) Assuming, like us, that you only have one iPod (mine), but two laptops, my wife doesn't have to wait for me to come home with the iPod to play music -- she can just use her iTunes library on her laptop.

(5) "Hey -- I'm having a party. Everybody bring their laptops and play us some jams." (Again, rather than "everybody bring your iPods and we'll swap the RCA cables in and out")

These advantanges assume, though, that you have or will set up a home wireless network.

Am I missing something?

How would this be any more convenient/efficient than simply attaching your iPod to a stereo with a standard connector?

What advantage would the new device provide?

Also, echoing other people's questions -- can you use this to get an XBox/PS2 online?

scottkle

Jun 7, 2004, 02:01 PM

Ok, maybe you don't hate it .. but maybe you just don't want to hear it.

This begs the question: Why would you have a song in your iTunes library that you hate?

Why wouldn't Apple release this product simultaneously with the Airport Express?

To keep the suspense building!!

DigDug

Jun 7, 2004, 02:01 PM

I don't know. 99.9% of all live band / hip hop music is in stereo. If it's used on a soundtrack for a movie it is put in surround sound after the fact and thus isn't true surround sound. The only thing 5.1 for iTunes would be good for is movie trailers encoded in surround.

I'm talking about the small but growing segment of 5.1 music... there are two competing formats: SACD (Super Audio CD) and DVD-A (DVD-Audio); both have very strong support from the electronics industry (natch, because they require lots of expensive equipment to play) but not a lot of music has been released for it -- mostly it's not surround recordings per se but catalog stereo albums remixed to 5.1. So, of course it's a gimmick, but a fun one. Still, the music exists; according to highfidelityreview.com (http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=16666776), "2,000 Super Audio CDs on the market worldwide (almost half of which are reported to be Surround Sound SACDs) and that there are an additional 100 SACDs per month now being released each month."

I imagine iTunes Extreme tracks @ $1.49 each, which include both stereo and 5.1 mixes of the song... play it on headphones and it's the same as it ever was, but play it through Airport Express with an optical connection and you get 5.1. Also, perhaps there will be a new Dock Extreme with optical out.

And, a little further on, I can't believe that the iPod won't someday do video. So then it will be essential to have surround sound, just like DVDs.

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 7, 2004, 02:01 PM

So u cannot use it as a 802.11g router. If you have more than one computer at home, you still need a base station. :cool:

Then why is it called a basestation on the AirPort Express specs page (http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/specs.html) and said to support 10 users...?

Edit: I see others has pointed out this before me... ;)

d00d

Jun 7, 2004, 02:02 PM

it makes sense like this:

i go to a hotel with broadband access and my powerbook is with me, i pop the adapter into the wall, attach the ethernet cable and then i can use the powerbook all over the room, such as in bed, etc. like i would at home. later when the battery needs topping up i just go plug it into the same device. it's more the idea of having a wi-fi access point with you whereever you go that i think would be cool. yes if the ports were in a convenient place it wouldnt' matter, but usually they aren't
Or, here's an idea, you plug both your AC adapter and the Airport Express into the wall. Other than saving a single plug, I don't see the point. Hell, get one of those mini strips you can get at Radio Shack and carry that with you. I just don't see the point. The Airport Express is portable enough that it doesn't matter that it's one more thing floating in your bag.

lar_24

Jun 7, 2004, 02:05 PM

Anyone know if the USB port works with devices other then printers? Would love to just plug my USB hub into this thing and have nothing but the power cord hooked into my PB and still be able to access my printer, scanner, mouse, etc, etc.........

scottkle

Jun 7, 2004, 02:06 PM

Ok. So if I have this straight.

I buy an airport express and put it in my laptop bag. I go to a Hyatt or other hotel with wireless connectivity, but it doesn't work well in the room or something like that.

So I plug in an ethernet cable into it and plug it into the wall. And if the hotel has a wireless network .. just like that I'm on it?

If so, how would I access it? Do I then go under the airport menu icon in the menubar and select it or does something else happen? Any ideas?

rueyeet

Jun 7, 2004, 02:08 PM

Am I missing something?

How would this be any more convenient/efficient than simply attaching your iPod to a stereo with a standard connector?
That was my question too, along with: what the heck good it does you if you've got to run all the way back to your computer to control iTunes? What would be really useful is if it offered some way of controlling iTunes from where you were listening.

The one way I can think of that it would be better than simply hooking your iPod up to your stereo (aside of its being a wireless access point) is that you can use Party Shuffle. That's about it, unless you can't fit all your music on your iPod, in which case access to your whole library would be the only other advantage.

If you're just getting into the whole base station thing, though, and want to go with the all-Apple solution, it is a great deal. Wireless network, printer hookup, and stereo hookup all in one for $129. Or maybe, if you didn't have an iPod, it may make sense.

Whew. A whole page of posts while I was writing this....

Iroganai

Jun 7, 2004, 02:11 PM

Why Apple Japan's page is not updated yet :confused:
I want this NOW :D

I think Steve will introduce the WIFI enabled controller
he always uses for keynote as the One More Thing (TM).
That will allow us, through the Airport Express, to control
our Keynote/Powerpoint presentation, or
our iTunes streaming songs to the stereo !

gotohamish

Jun 7, 2004, 02:12 PM

Do you think this will extend the range of a 802.11b Linksys router?

saabmp3

Jun 7, 2004, 02:14 PM

Hopefully it works like that, but I remember some hotels having weird software you have to use to "buy" access to the internet through their network. They can be dumb.

BEN

the future

Jun 7, 2004, 02:15 PM

sonofslim

Jun 7, 2004, 02:15 PM

Seriously, doesn't this just beg for this type of attachment? Otherwise, musically, it's lacking the most basic necessity. A means to change the song!

amen. not all of us have laptops, and i'm not about to drag my computer over to the couch just so i can change the songs without getting up. the squeezebox & roku still have the advantage there.

in terms of musical functionality (i recognize that this product has other merits) the airport express gets a big ol' ambivalent shrug on the sonofslimometer, until we're offered some means of controlling iTunes remotely.

LaMerVipere

Jun 7, 2004, 02:17 PM

michaelrjohnson

Jun 7, 2004, 02:18 PM

amen. not all of us have laptops, and i'm not about to drag my computer over to the couch just so i can change the songs without getting up. the squeezebox & roku still have the advantage there.

in terms of musical functionality (i recognize that this product has other merits) the airport express gets a big ol' ambivalent shrug on the sonofslimometer, until we're offered some means of controlling iTunes remotely.

how about a $30 infrared remote? i've got one, it works great!

Keyspan Remote (that I own) (http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/remote/)

utkucan

Jun 7, 2004, 02:18 PM

i wonder if it's going to work with traktor?.. :confused:

seeing as itunes needed an update, i'm guessing an update to traktor as well 2.6 maybe?

or could you mess around with the output selection box in traktor to get it to work?

a17inchFuture

Jun 7, 2004, 02:20 PM

The best feature is that for laptop users, its airport-able.

AIRPORT-ABLE--

Being able to plug the small wireless into any ethernet and get wireless reception is very cool, especially or the traveller.

Also, I think the steroe speakres thing is good, too. It is just better for some people's lifestyles than others. For example, my best speakers are hooked up to my comp, so it doesn't matter!!

What we really need is FIREWIRELESS-- so i can hook up my speakers to them and just use my spweet speaker from anywhere in my place!

neoelectronaut

Jun 7, 2004, 02:20 PM

Okay, so let me get this straight. I can plug my DSL modem into this sucker and use it as a base station?

Hell, I may get rid of this shi**y D-Link router after all.

CoreForce

Jun 7, 2004, 02:23 PM

Do you think this will extend the range of a 802.11b Linksys router?

No. RTFM.

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 7, 2004, 02:25 PM

Can anyone tell me how to talk some sense into my father?

He saw some damn show about how people who setup wifi in their homes leave their entire computers and networks open to anyone who can pick up the signal.

He seems to think that anyone in a car could drive up outside our house, and if i get airport express, be able to access our network from their car, and then access all of our information on our computers and such.

I keep trying to tell him that that absolutely isn't the case, that the most they might be able to do is get the internet from outside, but definitely not access the information on our computers. Am i right or is my father right? Until I convince him that some weirdo hacker can't pull up outside our house and steal all the information on our computers because we happen to have airport express, he won't even let me connect it to any ethernet line in our house! :(

To protect your WiFi network: Turn off SSID broadcast and enable WEP or WPA protection (even though WEP is cr*p it does its job for most ordinary home users).

Then tell him how cool it would be to not have any cords over the floor in the living room and still be able to get music from the computer over the stereo (the Mac and the stereo doesn't even have to be in the same room!)

Good Luck with your father.

mikafu

Jun 7, 2004, 02:25 PM

The SONOS system is interesting in this concext:
http://www.sonos.com/products/

May this have been an in-house development at Apple, that Apple didn't
want to promote?
Why do I think that:
- It was released almost at the same time as the Airport Express
- It's got the iPod scroll wheel!
- It's got the same features as the Airport Express + amplifier,
remote control etc
- It's compatible with Mac, AAC, etc (though not fairplay, yet...)
- Apple design (except the apple logo...)

Apple may have chosen to not brand this as an Apple product,
because they want a focused product line. Or the two companies
may just have collaborated. How else would you explain why
a company named SONOS has released something that smells
like Apple.

MattG

Jun 7, 2004, 02:28 PM

I'm trying to order one of these with my edu discount, but the cable kit doesn't seem to be available in the edu store. :confused:

nien0029

Jun 7, 2004, 02:33 PM

I assume this would work as a Wi-Fi range extender with 3rd party 802.11g routers as well and doesn't require an Apple AirPort Extreme base station right?

I am wondering the same thing but it seems that Apple puts a lot of footnotes in their product info like, "AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express can extend the range only of an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express wireless network."

Anyone have an idea?

kylos

Jun 7, 2004, 02:33 PM

this is wrong. the airport express has a WAN-only ethernet port to allow the sharing of a dsl/cable connection.

I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I'm not a networking pro, but my basestation is hooked up to another router, not dsl/cable, and works fine. Additionally, you can set up a basestation to act as a hub(or switch or whatever its called) so that it is distributing ip's from the upstream router's range (ie. using 192.168.x.x not 10.0.x.x), so it should not hinder rendevous. Essentially, if airtunes uses rendevous (as it should) and is not tied to airport, then you should be able to send audio to the aexpress through either wireless or the wan port.

melving8

Jun 7, 2004, 02:35 PM

Does not ship till Mid-July...typical Apple

Does not ship till Mid-July... Stupid Flanders

killmoms

Jun 7, 2004, 02:36 PM

this is wrong. the airport express has a WAN-only ethernet port to allow the sharing of a dsl/cable connection.
He's wrong anyway, Kyle, because it says on the Airport Express tech specs page itself that the ethernet port is an "Intelligent port for connecting to DSL or cable modems or a local network" (emphasis added).

--Cless

SiliconAddict

Jun 7, 2004, 02:37 PM

Did anyone else just wet themselves? Its also functions as a repeater as well. It slices, it dices, it makes Julian fries, AND plays music! I just hope this is compatable with my Netgear 802.11G router.

oliverlubin

Jun 7, 2004, 02:40 PM

lol that would be fun :P

but you bring up something interesting, how cool would it be if in a year or whenever that all powerbook power adapters had built in 802.11g capabilities. one small device for both and you would always have airport wherever you go. even if you had the option when you buy your system, regular power adapter or Airport-enabled adapter for $X more. Apple I hope you are listening

brilliant. just what i was thinking when i saw the size and shape. hell, put a firewire port and let you connect an iPod to either charge or share...

Jerry Spoon

Jun 7, 2004, 02:44 PM

The Airport Express is portable enough that it doesn't matter that it's one more thing floating in your bag.

And the iPod is portable enough that it's ok to have that floating in your bag...that's why no one bought one of those new smaller sleaker iPodmini's...oh wait ;)
Lots of people, including myself, want one less thing floating around in our bags. Why? So we can throw more stuff in there later.

gotohamish

Jun 7, 2004, 02:50 PM

No. RTFM.

Wanna help a guy out and gimme a reason?

Savage Henry

Jun 7, 2004, 02:51 PM

I just bought an airport extreme too... :(

Should I have waited?

My AEBS is just over a month old, but I'm glad I bought mine with low exchange rate in the US otherwise I would be well miffed.

As it is I dont think it matters in the end. You take your chances.

:(

frank5050

Jun 7, 2004, 02:51 PM

Several things I wonder about:

1) Will you have to also buy the $39 cable kit to obtain the correct cable to use the optical digital audio out? Seems pricey if you don't need the analog cabling or power cord extension, but then the "Monster" name is attached to it so that figures.

2) Is the wireless stream from your computer in MP3/AAC/ALC format or is it full-bandwidth PCM audio. This might make a difference in the stream playing without hiccups if your wireless signal strength is less than optimal or if you have much else happening on your network. (maybe a MP3/AAC > PCM converter is inside the Express base station?)

3) Can a laptop that doesn't contain the actual audio files control the stream via iTunes to the Express base station?
(i.e. - iMac with all audio files is upstairs, use an iBook in living room via iTunes sharing to control the music selections)

4) Has anyone actually received and used a Roku Soundbridge (not HD-1000) to comment on it's perfomance?

frank

sonofslim

Jun 7, 2004, 02:52 PM

Apple may have chosen to not brand this as an Apple product,
because they want a focused product line. Or the two companies
may just have collaborated.
that's an awfully dear alternative, checking in at just under $900 for one player and one controller.

and to those of you that are hoping for a wifi iPod that would act as both the music server and the remote: they'd have to improve battery life vastly before such a thing were practical. imagine if your tv remote needed recharging every two or three days, and if you let it run out of juice, your tv would stop working as well.

the add-on remote suggested by michaelrjohnson isn't bad, but it still lacks a stereo component that tells you what you're listening to. and imagine that you've got a wifi network running throughout your house with several access points and repeaters. your stereo is on one floor and your computer is on another. no problem to get music from point A to point B, but if you're sitting in front of the stereo, your infrared remote may be out of range of your computer.

a better solution would be a stereo component that integrates directly into your wifi network. that way the component could get commands from the remote and relay them via wifi to your computer running iTunes.

adam1185

Jun 7, 2004, 02:53 PM

If you check out apple.ca, its not available for order in Canada yet.

" * Subject to regulatory approval prior to release in Canada."

Hopefully it gets approved soon

mambodancer

Jun 7, 2004, 02:58 PM

I am wondering the same thing but it seems that Apple puts a lot of footnotes in their product info like, "AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express can extend the range only of an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express wireless network."

Anyone have an idea?

Bridging is supported in those base stations that support this feature. The original Airport base station can not be bridged...as is the case with less expensive wifi routers.

This product (Airport Express) is the perfect product to compete agains DLink, Linksys, Belkin etc. at this price point. Very few of the 3rd party products even offer print sharing, now apple adds this, plus wifi audio for only$129.

Also, could it be that the non-modem airport extreme base station will be discontinued? It is not listed when you print out the airport express tech sheet the the product itself is still available for sale. It would be nice to see the "higher" end base stations adjusted in price.

eatbacon

Jun 7, 2004, 02:59 PM

get this instead:

http://www.slimdevices.com

way more features... way cooler... only slightly more expensive

tjwett

Jun 7, 2004, 02:59 PM

this little device is cool and all that but how can they continue selling the Airport Extreme and regular Basestation for twice as much mone when this thing does more?

cmx08

Jun 7, 2004, 03:01 PM

It was release on Feb 1st but still no news from that big black ugly Getaway hahaha

this is too cool, I don't need a second router to junk my house will adaptor and UFO like airport base station. just a wall plug and u are in biz

Jack White

Jun 7, 2004, 03:04 PM

this may have been said already but...

US: $129

exchange rate: roughly 1.75

UK price = £75 ?

No!

£99 grr!!

SiliconAddict

Jun 7, 2004, 03:04 PM

One thing I wish Apple had added to this unit: A port for an external antenna. Imagine the possibilities? Sharing a broadband connection with your neighborhood by simply distributing 12 of these things from house to house to house.

denisg

Jun 7, 2004, 03:05 PM

3) Can a laptop that doesn't contain the actual audio files control the stream via iTunes to the Express base station?
(i.e. - iMac with all audio files is upstairs, use an iBook in living room via iTunes sharing to control the music selections)

frank

I had good luck using NetTunes, a third party iTunes remote control application. Not sure if it's still current, but if not.....one will appear by mid-July!!

mactastic

Jun 7, 2004, 03:05 PM

Also, could it be that the non-modem airport extreme base station will be discontinued? It is not listed when you print out the airport express tech sheet the the product itself is still available for sale. It would be nice to see the "higher" end base stations adjusted in price.

Doubtful. The one big drawback to the AE is the lack of a WAN port. Imagine trying to transfer large files over a wireless network... Think molasses in winter.

jcshas

Jun 7, 2004, 03:05 PM

Note to my wife and kids: I want one of these for Father's day - really bad! :D

k.double

Jun 7, 2004, 03:07 PM

I'm pretty sure that's wrong.

no, you are wrong. the specs comparison chart shows that the airport express and airport extreme have ethernet WAN ports but the airport express does NOT have an ethernet LAN port. this means that the airport express ethernet port can only be used to connect to a dsl modem and share an internet connection. as listed in the tech specs for the airport express:

AirPort Express Base Station Interfaces
10/100BASE-T Ethernet WAN port (RJ-45 connector) for connecting a DSL or cable modem

He's wrong anyway, Kyle, because it says on the Airport Express tech specs page itself that the ethernet port is an "Intelligent port for connecting to DSL or cable modems or a local network" (emphasis added).

--Cless

no this is wrong. you are reading the specs for an airport EXTREME, not airport EXPRESS. under airport EXPRESS tech specs, it lists it as WAN port only.

for the record, the AIRPORT EXPRESS wireless router CAN NOT be connected to a computer via the ethernet port to server as a wireless adapter for that machine. the ethernet port is only capable of distributing a dsl/cable connection.

bcharm

Jun 7, 2004, 03:08 PM

It's nice when you get something from your wishlist (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=26442) . Thanks! :D

Sir_Giggles

Jun 7, 2004, 03:08 PM

Do you think this will extend the range of a 802.11b Linksys router?

It won't extend it wirelessly. But if you need longer range, you'll probably have to physically run an ethernet cable from your Linksys router to the Airport Express, which would give you two points of access.

Considering how cheap it is, I think most consumers starting out in Wi-Fi will get 2 Expresses rather than 1 Airport Extreme, at about the same price point.

DGFan

Jun 7, 2004, 03:10 PM

it makes sense like this:

i go to a hotel with broadband access and my powerbook is with me, i pop the adapter into the wall, attach the ethernet cable and then i can use the powerbook all over the room, such as in bed, etc. like i would at home. later when the battery needs topping up i just go plug it into the same device. it's more the idea of having a wi-fi access point with you whereever you go that i think would be cool. yes if the ports were in a convenient place it wouldnt' matter, but usually they aren't

Having an all-in-one device is useful in two situations:
1) when significant components are reused - this allows for a much smaller package than would be the case with two separate packages
2) when both features will be used simultaneously

I sincerely doubt #1 is true. And your example is clearly not a case of #2.

I just don't see someone using a wired recharger and a wireless router with a laptop at the same time. If you're plugged in for recharging you can just run an ethernet cable to the laptop.

Both devices are small enough that they will easily fit together in a regular laptop bag. So, yes, you can have them both with you :)

starboard

Jun 7, 2004, 03:11 PM

This looks awesome.. Also points to the iTunes update that will support iTMS Europe.

But I'm afraid at the 129 price point it's gonna cannibalize base station sales :X

AirPort Extreme is way overpriced anyway. This thing acts as a base station and brings Apple's back to the top of the market, in terms of product offering. The small size, mobility, easy set up, printer share, and music out at a very competititve price. If you're looking for a wifi solution, this is among the best among 802.11g/b.

nina

Jun 7, 2004, 03:11 PM

This just SCREAMS for a 4G iPod with WiFi capabilities! This would offer a whole new market for the iPod - not just 10.000 (or 15.000 :)) songs in your pocket on the go, but also on your stereo with the funkiest remote control on the planet: the iPod itself! Bring it on, Apple!

EXACTLY what I was thinking. The next iPod will have WiFi built in. Forget all this talk about a crazy WiFi remote control - the iPod will be the remote control! Imagine streaming iPod music wirelessly to your home stereo? Or controlling iTunes on the "mothership" main Mac with the iPod? This would be enough to make me buy an Airport Express AND a new iPod (even though my 2G 10GB is still fine!).

andiwm2003

Jun 7, 2004, 03:11 PM

It's nice when you get something from your wishlist (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=26442) . Thanks! :D

I'm just wondering if one could connect a display via its usb and get wireless video? is 54mbps enough? would somebody bring the drivers needed?

cmx08

Jun 7, 2004, 03:12 PM

Just wondering,

can this express b use as a router (AEBS).

So one can connect the modem to the express and not have to buy a wireless router.

I want to sell my router and use this as the router since I have all 11g at home.

no need for ethernet cable, besides I want to share my printer and only FM and tape stereo at home.

mikafu

Jun 7, 2004, 03:14 PM

that's an awfully dear alternative, checking in at just under $900 for one player and one controller.

Well, if it's compatible with the AirTunes, all you would need is the remote. Still, at 399, it pricy, but you get it all: color display, control all your AirTunes-devices, and it's a wlan-device (take it to the garden).

What puzzles me is the similarity with the products, as mentioned in my earlier post. If it's a collaboration, it's unlike apple, but a great move to bring consumers more options...

mactastic

Jun 7, 2004, 03:14 PM

Considering how cheap it is, I think most consumers starting out in Wi-Fi will get 2 Expresses rather than 1 Airport Extreme, at about the same price point.

Factor in the costs of wireless cards for any desktops that don't have them though. This has no WAN port. If everything you have is wi-fi already, great. If not you'll need AE cards for each computer. Thus an AEBS could still come out cheaper overall sometimes.

DGFan

Jun 7, 2004, 03:15 PM

The SONOS system is interesting in this concext:
http://www.sonos.com/products/

How else would you explain why
a company named SONOS has released something that smells
like Apple.

They certainly have a website that smells. Try visiting it with FireFox.....

ftaok

Jun 7, 2004, 03:16 PM

this may have been said already but...

US: $129

exchange rate: roughly 1.75

UK price = £75 ?

No!

£99 grr!!Don't forget to add the VAT into the British price. What's the VAT in England these days?

mikafu

Jun 7, 2004, 03:18 PM

EXACTLY what I was thinking. The next iPod will have WiFi built in. Forget all this talk about a crazy WiFi remote control - the iPod will be the remote control! Imagine streaming iPod music wirelessly to your home stereo? Or controlling iTunes on the "mothership" main Mac with the iPod? This would be enough to make me buy an Airport Express AND a new iPod (even though my 2G 10GB is still fine!).

Yep, this seems likely now. Apple is going for wireless.

However, I think the WiFi will come as an add-on accessory to a new revision of the iPods. Perhaps they can pack in a little battery there too - WiFi cards can get quite small now.

dogcowx

Jun 7, 2004, 03:18 PM

My family does an amazing Halloween display every year. I can use these puppies to transmit the audio from the 4 Macs in the house and stop having to burn "sound effect" CDs every year!

COOL!

denisg

Jun 7, 2004, 03:19 PM

I suspect this is only the first AirTunes-enabled device. What about the AirBox, enabled with AirTunes, AirPhoto, AirMovie, AirportExtreme - that would be a piece of work

soosy

Jun 7, 2004, 03:20 PM

Thinking that most people's main stereo is probably hooked to their tv and if they have a game machine it's right there... I agree this product would be even awesomer with:

1) video out for photos/videos on TV
2) Ethernet out for game machine broadband access
3) A way to route all sound not just itunes (perhaps it does this if it shows up in Sys Prefs>Sound>Output pane)

and also, but perhaps less useful (to me at least) than above:
3) Firewire out for shared hard drive
4) remote

I guess it's the balance between portable base station vs. full home media box.

All that said, I'll most likely be ordering one. :)

montex

Jun 7, 2004, 03:22 PM

This is not a pretty product. Sure it's less expensive, but I'll take my Extreme Base Station to this block any day.

Then again, had this come out before I bought the Base Station I'd likely bought it instead. Sigh.

cr2sh

Jun 7, 2004, 03:23 PM

Hmm... there's got to be something more here.

I can see where a cable modem comes in, to ethernet, to wall-outlet, to airport express.. everything is right there.. by your tv.

We will be getting the iTV application / hardware we've been wanting.

Why have a usb on it thought.. why near your tv?

---

A few other things: Complaint.. as someone who's used this type of wall socket (my 17"pb power adapter) I can tell you.. they fall out of the wall quite easily... I'm not sure its the best design.

Also a question.. I can use the base station I already have, that's in the main bedroom... and use this guy in my study, in the socket behind the desk. That way, I can print wirelessly from the front room.. to the printer in the study? It almot seems like I'd need a dual channel airport card. I'm connecting to both the Airport Express and the Base Station... aren't I? Time to read up some more...

Answer: from Apple..

"Share a Single Printer — Wirelessly
Have several computers in your home but only one printer? No problem. Just connect a printer to the USB port on the AirPort Express Base Station and the printer instantly becomes available to everyone on your wireless network.(6) No longer do you need to move your printer from one place to another to connect it to this or that computer. No more dealing with tangled cables or emailing files from one computer to another that’s connected to the printer."

msconvert

Jun 7, 2004, 03:25 PM

My family does an amazing Halloween display every year. I can use these puppies to transmit the audio from the 4 Macs in the house and stop having to burn "sound effect" CDs every year!

COOL!

Um, with the rediculous cheep price of CDs it would take centuries to make back your money if you stopped burning only 4 CDs a year.

kylos

Jun 7, 2004, 03:30 PM

no, you are wrong. the specs comparison chart shows that the airport express and airport extreme have ethernet WAN ports but the airport express does NOT have an ethernet LAN port. this means that the airport express ethernet port can only be used to connect to a dsl modem and share an internet connection. as listed in the tech specs for the airport express:

Ok, first, I know for a fact that the WAN port on basestations can connect to a downstream connection from a router. I am doing this this very moment. Now if bridging is allowed with the aexpress, then that implies that the audio-out on these devices is not simply an upstream connection to the router, but that it must also downstream the audio to the aexpress, hence, it is likely assigned an ip address. If the WAN port on the aexpress is connected to a router and the aexpress is set to bridge the ethernet signal, then the aexpress is essentially on the same LAN as the computer. So therefore, it seems that audio-out is simply another device on the LAN, just as it would be if you connected to your aexpress wirelessly. Now, I'm not an expert at networking, but I think you are not fully examining how this is possible. You'll have to explain how the process I described does not work if you want to convince me otherwise.

sinisterdesign

Jun 7, 2004, 03:31 PM

i've tried a couple different ways to get my Tivo hooked up wirelessly to my Mac. i bought the Home Media option for my Tivo (so i could listent to music through my stereo), but since i can't get a wireless connection going, it stifled it's usefullness.

the probs i had were 1) couldn't get tivo to connect if i had encryption enabled and i'm not letting my neighbors share my connection and 2) the bandwidth wasn't high enough to stream music through the little M$ wireless USB dongle that i connected to the back of the Tivo.

this little Express deals kills 2 birds w/ 1 gadget. i can now connect my Tivo via the ethernet connection to auto download program info AND i can stream tunes to the stereo! sweeeeet

now i just need a remote to control iTunes from anywhere in my house. anyone in cupertino writing this stuff down??? ;)

macridah

Jun 7, 2004, 03:32 PM

jettredmont

Jun 7, 2004, 03:34 PM

I don't think you are correct, it says that it supports 10 users. I would assume that makes it a router.

No, it doesn't. My SMC access point at home supports up to 16 users. A wifi access point can be seen as somewhat synonymous with a wired ethernet hub: everything it sees on the LAN side is sent to all users on the wireless side, and vice versa.

However, Apple says that the ethernet port is a "WAN", which implies that the wireless users will be on a LAN and the wired port is outside that LAN. Not sure what kind of firewalling this little bugger will do, but Apple seems to be saying that it is a gateway (aka "router" but not quite the same thing ... but you're not using a "router" to connect to broadband; you are using a gateway), not just an access point.

tooflets

Jun 7, 2004, 03:36 PM

I wonder how many people will buy one or some of these & then have to make a separate 2nd shopping trip because they neglected to notice the difference between "Airport equipped" & "Airport capable". It seems like the store website should query about whether or not you actually have a card installed.

drewbert

Jun 7, 2004, 03:37 PM

Um, with the rediculous cheep price of CDs it would take centuries to make back your money if you stopped burning only 4 CDs a year.
Besides, it looks like you can only stream to one set of speakers at a time. Right? :confused:

titaniumducky

Jun 7, 2004, 03:38 PM

I'm just wondering if one could connect a display via its usb and get wireless video? is 54mbps enough? would somebody bring the drivers needed?

54Mbps is 6.75MBps. That should be plenty of bandwidth to transfer video at. In fact, it's even enough to broadcast an uncompressed DVD (MPEG2). According to my calculations, a two hour movie would have to be about 48GB to surpass the theoretically available bandwidth of 802.11G.

For 802.11b, the movie needs to be about 11GB. That means that theoretically, a DVD should be able to be streamed over 802.11b. That can almost be guaranteed if Special Features are cut out.

LaMerVipere

Jun 7, 2004, 03:39 PM

Everyone will still need an airport extreme to use the airport express. The airport express is basically an access point with and audio out. So instead of buy 2 airport extremes, you need to buy 1 with an airport express. I bet more profit is made selling airport expresses anyway ... so that's good for apple.

That's not true, you can just buy an Airport Express now, since it serves as both an airport base station but also happens to have audio capabilitles! :) You can even just buy 2 airport expresses and each will extend range of the other.

You really only need to buy airport extreme base station now if you need to link up more than 10 users (max of 50 with AE) or need a modem, or external antenna hook-ups etc...

soosy

Jun 7, 2004, 03:40 PM

no, you are wrong. the specs comparison chart shows that the airport express and airport extreme have ethernet WAN ports but the airport express does NOT have an ethernet LAN port. this means that the airport express ethernet port can only be used to connect to a dsl modem and share an internet connection. as listed in the tech specs for the airport express:

no this is wrong. you are reading the specs for an airport EXTREME, not airport EXPRESS. under airport EXPRESS tech specs, it lists it as WAN port only.

for the record, the AIRPORT EXPRESS wireless router CAN NOT be connected to a computer via the ethernet port to server as a wireless adapter for that machine. the ethernet port is only capable of distributing a dsl/cable connection.

Clarification: it actually does say that on the image at the top of the Airport Express page. It's referring to the Airport Express's ability to be used as a Wireless Access Point, meaning it's attached to another router. Regardless, it's true you can't hook up a desktop via ethernet to the Airport Express.

What about this intriguing scenario: Could the Airport Express wirelessly bridge to a desktop equipped with an AE card acting as a software base station? Possibly.

davecuse

Jun 7, 2004, 03:41 PM

now i just need a remote to control iTunes from anywhere in my house. anyone in cupertino writing this stuff down??? ;)

http://homepage.mac.com/jonassalling/Shareware/Clicker/

soosy

Jun 7, 2004, 03:42 PM

That's not true, you can just buy an Airport Express now, since it serves as both an airport base station but also happens to have audio capabilitles! :) You can even just buy 2 airport expresses if and each will extend range off the other.

You really only need to buy airport extreme base station now if you need to link up more than 10 users (max of 50 with AE) or need a modem, or external antenna hook-ups etc...

or if you have a desktop without a wireless card. Airport Express does not have an ethernet lan port.

of course you could buy a cheap wired router (for the desktop) and attach the Airport Express to the router to add wireless capability.

Pring

Jun 7, 2004, 03:43 PM

Hmm would it be possible for applications like DVD Player and VLC to use this? Stream their audio to the external speakers over wireless? THAT'D be cool.

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 7, 2004, 03:46 PM

no, you are wrong. the specs comparison chart shows that the airport express and airport extreme have ethernet WAN ports but the airport express does NOT have an ethernet LAN port. this means that the airport express ethernet port can only be used to connect to a dsl modem and share an internet connection. as listed in the tech specs for the airport express:

no this is wrong. you are reading the specs for an airport EXTREME, not airport EXPRESS. under airport EXPRESS tech specs, it lists it as WAN port only.

for the record, the AIRPORT EXPRESS wireless router CAN NOT be connected to a computer via the ethernet port to server as a wireless adapter for that machine. the ethernet port is only capable of distributing a dsl/cable connection.

Then what does this mean:

http://a1360.g.akamai.net/7/1360/51/d6f089bec9616c/www.apple.com/airportexpress/images/specstop06072004.jpg

Edit: Man, people are answering fast in this thread... ;)

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 7, 2004, 03:51 PM

No. RTFM.

No need to be crude. Some may have missed the footnote in the tech specs:

"AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express can extend the range only of an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express wireless network."

chocolab

Jun 7, 2004, 03:51 PM

i'm really glad the discussion is mentioning streaming video and images. it's the first thing i thought of when I saw this new product. I don't know how many of you have seen it but the HP Media Center PC is put together very well, i'll also begrudgingly give MS credit for the interface which was also done well. you can control your sat service including recording movies and shows and stream it/or audio over the network. check it out and you will see what i'm talking about. this market is growing and growing and i'd love for apple to get into the game. they have to!

ToddW

Jun 7, 2004, 03:52 PM

Then what does this mean:

http://a1360.g.akamai.net/7/1360/51/d6f089bec9616c/www.apple.com/airportexpress/images/specstop06072004.jpg

Edit: Man, people are answering fast in this thread... ;) I wonder if it is USB 2.0, because if it is, do you think you can plug in an external drive.

HoserHead

Jun 7, 2004, 03:52 PM

for the record, the AIRPORT EXPRESS wireless router CAN NOT be connected to a computer via the ethernet port to server as a wireless adapter for that machine. the ethernet port is only capable of distributing a dsl/cable connection. Doesn't seem like that to me:
http://a1360.g.akamai.net/7/1360/51/d6f089bec9616c/www.apple.com/airportexpress/images/specstop06072004.jpg

James Craner

Jun 7, 2004, 03:55 PM

Don't forget to add the VAT into the British price. What's the VAT in England these days?

VAT rate in the UK is 17.5%, which works out to be about GBP 87, so Apple have added about £12. I don't know if the duty rates are different in the US compared with the USA on these products. I presume these are made in the far east somewhere.

bmoorhouse

Jun 7, 2004, 03:55 PM

Okay, the whole WAN, LAN, router, access point thing has me confused.

Here's what I want to do, can someone tell me if this will work?

I have two powerbooks, both with Airport Extreme cards installed. I want to connect one of these to the cable modem in my study and one of these in the living room where my stereo is.

Would I then be able to access the internet wirelessly on both my PBs, at the same time? Would I also be able to access the files on one PB from the other wirelessly? Then, while I am doing that, can I also listen to music on the stereo in my living room at the same time?

And finally, supposing my study is on the northern side of my home, my living room in the middle, and my bedroom on the southern side, and that the bedroom would not normally be within range of the airport extreme signal from the study, would the AP Express in the living room (attached to the stereo) provide a jumper so that I can do all of the above with one of the computers in the bedroom?

If the answer to all of that is yes, why would anyone buy the Airport Extreme? The only advantages I see are the ability to connect extra computers (which most home users wouldn't care about) and the ability to plug in a dial-up modem.

Thanks.

LaMerVipere

Jun 7, 2004, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by k.double

for the record, the AIRPORT EXPRESS wireless router CAN NOT be connected to a computer via the ethernet port to server as a wireless adapter for that machine. the ethernet port is only capable of distributing a dsl/cable connection.

k.double is right.

–LMV

dosage

Jun 7, 2004, 03:56 PM

A few questions I think several of us not-so-networking-literate would love to have answered:

1) Could I hook my scanner, printer, or other USB devices into a 4-port hub and plug it into it?
2) Can I ditch my Airport Extreme base and just use this?
3) Will the range be as good?

.

cr2sh

Jun 7, 2004, 03:58 PM

Some Official Apple links....

Press Photos:
http://www.apple.com/pr/photos/airport/airportexpress.html

Official Press Release:
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jun/07airport.html

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 7, 2004, 03:59 PM

He's wrong anyway, Kyle, because it says on the Airport Express tech specs page itself that the ethernet port is an "Intelligent port for connecting to DSL or cable modems or a local network" (emphasis added).

--Cless

Confused, maybe we'll have to see what real world experience is.

The footnotes in the Tech Specs says:

AirPort Express Base Station Interfaces

10/100BASE-T Ethernet WAN port (RJ-45 connector) for connecting a DSL or cable modem

Elbeano

Jun 7, 2004, 03:59 PM

I think we have put to rest the idea of using this to extend anything other than an actual airport base station. However, is it possible to use another router, let's say a WRT54G from linksys, that can be used as a repeater, to extend the range of the airport express if the express is used as the router? That would be sweet.

Jack White

Jun 7, 2004, 04:00 PM

VAT rate in the UK is 17.5%, which works out to be about GBP 87, so Apple have added about £12. I don't know if the duty rates are different in the US compared with the USA on these products. I presume these are made in the far east somewhere.

ok, so it's not too bad then.

michaelrjohnson

Jun 7, 2004, 04:00 PM

I am wondering the same thing but it seems that Apple puts a lot of footnotes in their product info like, "AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express can extend the range only of an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express wireless network."

Anyone have an idea?

Yes, i do.

This is compatible with both Mac and PC. In order to serve as an access point for PC users, it would *have* to be compatible with third-party wireless routers. (as it states on the tech specs page)

James Craner

Jun 7, 2004, 04:01 PM

Has anyone in the UK been able to order one of these yet from the UK Apple store, Apple have now updated the Apple UK homepage, but I can't see it in the store itself. I hope we won't have to wait 5 months like the iPod mini.

aswitcher

Jun 7, 2004, 04:01 PM

Airport Express is just what I was looking for for function and price wise.

I am glad they gave us a good months heads up so that I didn't end up buying a wireless router when my powerbook finally arrives.

I think its a fair bet there is a new Airport Extreme Base Station coming this year that will have better features for less.

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 7, 2004, 04:01 PM

I wonder if it is USB 2.0, because if it is, do you think you can plug in an external drive.

It doesn't say anything about the USB version (1.1 vs 2.0). I also think it only has printing capabilities. I'm going to blow the dust of my old 6GB USB disk to try, though... ;) ...sometime in Mid-July :( ...given that its going on sale in Europe from day 1...

kiwi

Jun 7, 2004, 04:03 PM

Hmm. Is 802.11g fast enough for video streaming and at what bitrate/codec? I'd like to get rid of the cables from Mac to TV oneday.

Sir_Giggles

Jun 7, 2004, 04:03 PM

Hmm would it be possible for applications like DVD Player and VLC to use this? Stream their audio to the external speakers over wireless? THAT'D be cool.

Both apps would need to support Rendezvous for wireless audio to work. But its kinda useless because then you'll also need wireless video for a truly portable solution. The problem is, with watching video, you're in one spot the whole time so portability is not required. You'll never see the need for wireless videos of DVDs because a DVD player hooked to a TV already does this more elegantly and cheaply.

michaelrjohnson

Jun 7, 2004, 04:05 PM

Both apps would need to support Rendezvous for wireless audio to work. But its kinda useless because then you'll also need wireless video for a truly portable solution. The problem is, with watching video, you're in one spot the whole time so portability is not required. You'll never see the need for wireless videos of DVDs because a DVD player hooked to a TV already does this more elegantly and cheaply.

Good point, and well put.

blue&whiteman

Jun 7, 2004, 04:05 PM

Not as many users supported and other things.

could this also mean that it would be harder for someone to hijack your signal?

mhar4

Jun 7, 2004, 04:06 PM

They're going to sell a million of these things.

AliensAreFuzzy

Jun 7, 2004, 04:07 PM

I have two questions about this.
1) If I have my desktop with my iTunes library, but it's not connected wirelessly to my network. However, I do have a wireless router. Would I be able to transmit my music to the Express?
2) Could this be used as a wireless bridge. (i.e. connect a computer in my basement with just a wired card without running cat5 cable down there.)

-Dalf

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 7, 2004, 04:08 PM

this may have been said already but...

US: $129

exchange rate: roughly 1.75

UK price = £75 ?

No!

£99 grr!!

Just curious is the £99 with the taxes (VAT and others)? Just trying to understand the pricing differences.

Edit: Seems like some had the same thought I did...

HoserHead

Jun 7, 2004, 04:08 PM

Pudge, Slashdot's Apple specialist, has this to say (http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=110282&cid=9359275):

I just got word from a "knowledgable source" :-) that iTunes 4.6 can send any music to the base station that it has access to, including from iTunes Music Sharing. However, since it just acts as a remote speaker, it means to do this, you will be streaming twice the amount of data over your network, and you'll need to leave iTunes open on the laptop. Bleah.

So the options now -- since VNC and ARD are not an option, because of ease-of-use and security concerns -- are netTunes (which works now, because -- I didn't realize -- it basically just does a VNC of that one app), and an Apache interface.

Also, the Express CAN share Internet access over the LAN to wired clients.

titaniumducky

Jun 7, 2004, 04:10 PM

could this also mean that it would be harder for someone to hijack your signal?

Not unless you already have a ton of people on your network. The average person has no more than five devices connecting. Even ten wouldn't be pushing it.

laughingboy

Jun 7, 2004, 04:11 PM

Airport express CAN:

- connect to a cable/dsl modem via "WAN" port and be a wirelesss connection

or

- connect to a router and receive an IP address via the "LAN" port and be a wirelss connection

Airport Express CANNOT:

- supply a computer (desktop) with an IP address via the "LAN" port

Does that jive?

lb

P.S. I'm really stoked with this product, and the hint of the direction that Apple is heading - tip of the iceberg?

P.P.S. Do kids still say "stoked" these days?

JupiterTwo

Jun 7, 2004, 04:11 PM

...as Airport Base Stations do not work with PC.

shhh! don't tell my work dell laptop and my linux boxen ;)

ccuilla

Jun 7, 2004, 04:11 PM

Not true. The difference between and access point and a router is that a router creates a local area network (LAN) with internal IP address that all share one external IP address.

An accese point on the other hand acts lick a cheap ethernet switch, it does allow you have multiple computer connected at the same time, but they will all get there own external IP addresses. Now, I realize that many broadband providers may not allow this, or charge extra for extra IP addresses, but on my college campus I have been using an Access point for about 6 months with no problems.

An access point can also be used to extend a LAN created by a router.

I am a little confused by this. I don't think the second part is totally correct. Typically, for most consumers, their broadband provider gives them a single external IP address and expects only a single computer attached to the service. However, if you attach an Apple Airport Base Station is appears to support multiple computers without having multiple external IP addresses. Is this an issue of NAT?

michaelrjohnson

Jun 7, 2004, 04:12 PM

shhh! don't tell my work dell laptop and my linux boxen ;)

okay okay... i meant they're not "supported"... you know... that whole thing...

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 7, 2004, 04:15 PM

Just ordered one from AppleStore Norway... :D

It was NOK 1299 including shipping and taxes. This is really a rip-off as NOK 1299 is more than USD 195 at todays exchange rate... :mad:

It says estimated build time 3 days, though... I'm getting my hopes up... :p

Edit: Just received my confirmation, and the delivery time is really uplifting:

How long will my order take?

Allow 3 days to build your order.Allow 3 - 7 business days(after shipping) to deliver.

Please note that these are business days and are estimated leadtimes only.

ClimbingTheLog

Jun 7, 2004, 04:16 PM

Did anyone see this coming? Is this the new mystery device thats been rumored for months if not centuries :)

No. There are still 80 unannounced sessions at WWDC. Tiger's new features can't take that many - maybe half. Unless we get to see what the OS is on the Airport Express.

ClimbingTheLog

Jun 7, 2004, 04:16 PM

Can anyone tell me how to talk some sense into my father?

Tell your dad it's like a door. You can put a door in your house and lock it. Or you can leave it unlocked. That's up to you, but if someone comes in and takes your beer when your door is unlocked you shouldn't be surprised.

Now, make sure you're a good locksmith so you don't wind up making an ass of yourself. As others have written, WPA and disabled SSID broadcast are a good start.

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 7, 2004, 04:16 PM

Rower_CPU

Jun 7, 2004, 04:17 PM

okay okay... i meant they're not "supported"... you know... that whole thing...

Not sure what you mean: Airport Extreme specs (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/specs.html)

PCs are "supported" you just can't configure the station w/out a Mac.

JupiterTwo

Jun 7, 2004, 04:18 PM

okay okay... i meant they're not "supported"... you know... that whole thing...

Yeah, you're right, but they've gone some way with this Windows Admin Utility (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120273) :)

ClimbingTheLog

Jun 7, 2004, 04:20 PM

for the record, the AIRPORT EXPRESS wireless router CAN NOT be connected to a computer via the ethernet port to server as a wireless adapter for that machine. the ethernet port is only capable of distributing a dsl/cable connection.

Apple would actually have to intentionally cripple this thing to make that so. At the packet level there's no such thing as a DSL or Cable modem, it's a wire. There's probably limited room for features on this brick so why would they bother?

I suspect that when these ship they'll actually be capable of sitting on a LAN just fine, even if that's not advertized on the glossies.

Me, I'm sticking with my 50' headphone cable which works Just Fine. I've been playing iTunes at my stereo for 5 years for $20. OK, it was SoundJam first, then iTunes.

[Edit: ah, I see the picture captions others have posted.]

ClimbingTheLog

Jun 7, 2004, 04:20 PM

Anybody know if the airtunes streaming works with only the older airport cards (not extreme g speed, but b)? Too slow for music streaming?

Sure, even if it's 5 uncompressed channels at 24-bit 96K/s, that's well under the 5mbps you can reliably get with 802.11b. And it probably does some compression.

We don't know how it works yet.

ClimbingTheLog

Jun 7, 2004, 04:21 PM

I am wondering the same thing but it seems that Apple puts a lot of footnotes in their product info like, "AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express can extend the range only of an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express wireless network."

Anyone have an idea?

WDS is a quasi-standard that's likely behind this feature. You probably have more luck among chipset vendors (atheros, broadcom) but it's usually only supported among gear from the same company (linksys,d-link,apple,etc).

I'm sure it'll get standardized and interoperable in the next couple years.

filipp

Jun 7, 2004, 04:21 PM

Just ordered one here in Sweden, 1395 SEK is pretty much ok, me thinks
The weird thing is that it says "Shipping within 3 days" which must be a mistake. Oh well, we'll see

/ filipp

michaelrjohnson

Jun 7, 2004, 04:22 PM

Yeah, you're right, but they've gone some way with this Windows Admin Utility (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120273) :)

Not sure what you mean: Airport Extreme specs (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/specs.html)

PCs are "supported" you just can't configure the station w/out a Mac.

i have changed my previous post to reflect what i was trying to say. i got caught up in a tangle of AE specs. :rolleyes:

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 7, 2004, 04:23 PM

Surprised that no one has mentioned how cool this will be for college students....

James Craner

Jun 7, 2004, 04:24 PM

I wonder if there are other costs of doing business in the UK that causes the prices to be higher also.

No not really, however I expect Apple have hedged a little against movement in exchange rates. If you used say 1.6 rather than 1.75 then that gets you to about GBP 94 including VAT. In recent years the exchange rate got as low as 1.4 to the pound.

michaelrjohnson

Jun 7, 2004, 04:26 PM

Surprised that no one has mentioned how cool this will be for college students....

iTunes Music sharing is already incredible on a college campus. As long as there are a good number of users on your subnet. At my campus, there are two residence halls per subnet, i usually get about 15-20 shared libraries. It's great, though, i doubt this will make it any easier! :)