PowerMacs - June 8th, 2004

[MacRumors]

According to a couple of sources, Apple should update PowerMac G5s tomorrow - June 8th 2004.

Meanwhile, one specific source indicates that 2 new products will appear on this Tuesday.

Recent rumors (http://powermac.macrumors.com/) have pointed towards an all dual lineup with a slightly modified internal case design.

[yoman]

i want one !!

[Wonder Boy]

i hope im right when i say "no way". rev b g5s are a big deal. steve wont let the announcement pass with little to no fanfare.

[iBot]

If the rev B G4 Powermacs fall short of the 3GHz threshold (and they probably will), Jobs will want to avoid fanfare.

[johnnowak]

i hope im right when i say "no way". rev b g5s are a big deal. steve wont let the announcement pass with little to no fanfare.

He'll cover them at WWDC anyway. Perhaps he just wants to get it out of the way so he's not talking about them the whole time and has time for like.. you know.. developer issues. This isn't MWSF people.

[micvog]

i hope im right when i say "no way". rev b g5s are a big deal. steve wont let the announcement pass with little to no fanfare.

Not if they don't reach 3.0GHz... Steve may want to avoid the subject and focus on Tiger and the G5 iMacs.

[eric_n_dfw]

i hope im right when i say "no way". rev b g5s are a big deal. steve wont let the announcement pass with little to no fanfare.Maybe they don't want a lot of fanfare, especially if the 3Ghz ones are not ready yet.

[jocknerd]

As long as the prices don't go up, I'll be buying.

[Wonder Boy]

Maybe they don't want a lot of fanfare, especially if the 3Ghz ones are not ready yet.

agreed. but he'll have to face the music sometime.

[.a]

please ... no powermac tomorrow ... let it be 3ghz at wwdc
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[LuniX]

Would be nice if he didn't mention it would be tomorrow, I probably can't fall asleep now :D . And if they do have a 3.0 Ghz you won't hear me complaining about the price. if it's not 3.0 Ghz a lower price would be nice.

[QCassidy352]

hmm, powermacs tomorrow so that imac G5s can come at WWDC? I don't think he'd do *both* at WWDC, and an all new imac is probably a bigger deal than powermac updates.

and more importantly... displays along with powermacs tomorrow??? I want a new cinema display; come on apple!

[eric_n_dfw]

please ... no powermac tomorrow ... let it be 3ghz at wwdc
.aWhy?

Didn't Apple say a long time ago that they wanted to stop releasing products only at the big events to try to avoid the roller-coaster sales figures that always sag for months before an event?

Besides, if the release now, they can (hopefully) crow about how many orders they have received "already" by the WWDC keynote.

[rdowns]

If true, seems like a G5 iMac is a sure thing for WWDC. He needs some exciting hardware to announce. New displays just won't cut it nor will an iPod related announcement.

[iriejedi]

I agree with this statement - let's forget about that little promise made last year and focus on how Tiger will make the speed issue of little relevance as a 2 gig on 10.3 will run like a 4 gig on OS 10.4....etc etc....

regardless I'm buying on the day they are release/announced. Be it tomorrow or next year - but not before.

IJ

Not if they don't reach 3.0GHz... Steve may want to avoid the subject and focus on Tiger and the G5 iMacs.

[klaus]

If true, seems like a G5 iMac is a sure thing for WWDC. He needs some exciting hardware to announce. New displays just won't cut it nor will an iPod related announcement.

It' so aaawfully quiet about the new displays, no rumors on specs, design, nothing..

silence before the storm?

about the 3ghz promise, if updates are released tomorrow, ranging from 2.2-2.8?, than nothing holds Steve back from announcing 3 ghz at the end of the summer, as an addition to the current line.

I don't think many of us will wait if they can get a 2.8 now, and a 3.0 within 3 months? I know I wouldn't, cause the speed difference will be negligable, unless the architecture that comes with the 3ghz (975-980?) will be of such a nature that a huge increase in performance arises.. but I doubt that

[MacsRgr8]

It' so aaawfully quiet about the new displays, no rumors on specs, design, nothing..

silence before the storm?


He he... that's because they are gorgeous as they are now....

we are waiting for (even) faster G5's, and even an iMac G5!
Displays are not in gr8 need of updating. It'll still be nice though!

[MacsRgr8]

Arn's really busy...

[rdowns]

Arn's really busy...

Nah, I get that message a lot. Hit back and Refresh and you're in.

[alexf]

I think that there will probably be new Power Macs announced before the WWDC, but they will not be 3 GHz. Just my intuition, for what it's worth...

[Frobozz]

According to a couple of sources, Apple should update PowerMac G5s tomorrow - June 8th 2004.

Meanwhile, one specific source indicates that 2 new products will appear on this Tuesday.

Recent rumors (http://powermac.macrumors.com/) have pointed towards an all dual lineup with a slightly modified internal case design.

As much as it pains me to say it, the G5 iMac may be a bigger announcement for Apple than a faster G5 PowerMac--- no matter how fast the PowerMac is.

[QCassidy352]

He he... that's because they are gorgeous as they are now....

we are waiting for (even) faster G5's, and even an iMac G5!
Displays are not in gr8 need of updating. It'll still be nice though!

:eek:
displays are in *desperate* need of an update. It's been more than a year since the 20" was introduced, and the 17" and the 23" have been out so long it's an embarrassment. Apple displays are some of the least adjustable out there, and at this point their specs are truly pathetic compared to cheaper competitors. I'll concede that the imac is even more in need of an update, but the displays *must* be updated soon!

[DGFan]

After a lackluster first quarter for PowerMacs Apple really needs to do well in the second quarter. By releasing the PowerMacs now instead of at WWDC Apple will allow for several weeks to get the word out and have thje new orders on the second quarter books.

[SiliconAddict]

If the rev B G4 Powermacs fall short of the 3GHz threshold (and they probably will), Jobs will want to avoid fanfare.

This is interesting. It could go either way. either iBot's approach or possibly Jobs has so many things to introduce or talk about that fitting a simple PowerMac update might not be worth introducing vs simply mentioning since it was release a few weeks earlier.

It really depends on if you are a glass is half full or half empty kinda person.


I still hanging onto the strand of hope for a fall G5 PowerBook release so I'm going to keep my glass full here. :)

[Dont Hurt Me]

Apple has a history of only showing all new stuff at the expo's, when they bump up stuff they simply do it with little fanfare. My biggest problem is going to be base Powermac rev-B or Imac G5 Top Model, man this will be a tough.( in response to frobozz)

[itsa]

agreed. but he'll have to face the music sometime.


He can do that from any room now! :)

[SeanMcg]

As mentioned earlier, this is a developer's conference and NOT the Expo. As such, does it make more sense to introduce faster versions of a machine already in production (PM G5), or announce a new product that will have developers reconsidering the development of software for a particular market (iMac G5)? This is not a rhetorical question; I really want to hear opinions on both sides.

Consider this: look where Jobs chose to introduce AirPort Express.

[itsa]

I think that there will probably be new Power Macs announced before the WWDC, but they will not be 3 GHz. Just my intuition, for what it's worth...

If they are not 3GHz, would anyone really buy one before WWDC?

[invaLPsion]

Announce the RevB models tomorrow (2.2 - 2.6) and then at WWDC introduce a 3GHz model shipping in August or September.

[rdowns]

As mentioned earlier, this is a developer's conference and NOT the Expo. As such, does it make more sense to introduce faster versions of a machine already in production (PM G5), or announce a new product that will have developers reconsidering the development of software for a particular market (iMac G5)? This is not a rhetorical question; I really want to hear opinions on both sides.

Consider this: look where Jobs chose to introduce AirPort Express.

Widening the market for the G5 with the iMac is what developers want to hear. Give them a reason to exploit the G5, which is basically a paper tiger at this point. We need software to take advantage of this beast.

[ZildjianKX]

Not if they don't reach 3.0GHz... Steve may want to avoid the subject and focus on Tiger and the G5 iMacs.

Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

[dopefiend]

Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

Not really, considering one is a desktop and the other is a laptop.

[itsa]

Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

As a PRO only user I would cry!

[Dont Hurt Me]

As a PRO only user I would cry!Then get a imac :D I see no correlation between desktops and laps, laps have to be lower power devices period and a desktop shouldnt be handicapped as imac has been the past 2 years simply for some darn laptop. sorry :cool:

[itsa]

Then get a imac :D I see no correlation between desktops and laps, laps have to be lower power devices period and a desktop shouldnt be handicapped as imac has been the past 2 years simply for some darn laptop. sorry :cool:


And what? carry it around by it's neck? :)

[macridah]

The powermacs should be release when they are ready, and if that's tomorrow, then tomorrow it is. It's probably not a major update, so they don't need a super spotlight on it. Something like the future G6, G5 iMac, or G5 powerbook would deserve a big announcement.

[rdowns]

Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

No, I think the notion of professional and consumer is assinine. Apple should be marketing the best available product they can in each product line. Bring on the iMac G5. The PowerBook will get it when technically feasible.

[Zaty]

Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

It would incredibly stupid if Apple waited until the G5PB is ready. BTW, with its price tag, the iMac is hardly a consumer machine.

[ClimbingTheLog]

Announce the RevB models tomorrow (2.2 - 2.6) and then at WWDC introduce a 3GHz model shipping in August or September.

Yep, I guess we know what One More Thing™ is going to be.

[zedwards]

If true, seems like a G5 iMac is a sure thing for WWDC. He needs some exciting hardware to announce. New displays just won't cut it nor will an iPod related announcement.

Yes, nice to dream about, but iMacs are consumer models, not pro. WWDC is a pro event.

[PretendPCuser]

and if 3Ghz are not announced tomorrow, and if Steve hopes to save face, the updates tomorrow will be shipping immediately and Steve, on the last tuesday of summer, will announce 3Ghz machines, shipping around Christmas (in volume).

That's the crystal ball's 2 cents...

Crystal ball powered by Intel, so ymmv.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Yes, nice to dream about, but iMacs are consumer models, not pro. WWDC is a pro event.may be a pro event but who the heck do you think buys all that software? consumers! what better reason to get them off their behinds and start writing G5 apps.

[Steven1621]

powermacs tomorrow mean something totally new at WWDC. new model imac perhaps. if there release a PB G5 i am going to each my brand new G4

[DGFan]

Announce the RevB models tomorrow (2.2 - 2.6) and then at WWDC introduce a 3GHz model shipping in August or September.

To me that would make no sense. Talk about shooting a new product in the back only weeks after it is released.....

[klaus]

To me that would make no sense. Talk about shooting a new product in the back only weeks after it is released.....

that's not shooting it in the back.. it would be a supplement, if dell releases new workstations with 2.8 ghz, and a month later announces the 3.0 ghz with a new processor, that would be shooting in the back too? It has a word.. 'evolution'

if i would buy a 2.8 which I'm gonna do :-), then i will not feel any negative feelings about the release of that 3.0, it's just the way technological evolution works..

[alexf]

If they are not 3GHz, would anyone really buy one before WWDC?

Of course people would buy them, especially since it will then be obvious that it will be some time before the 3 GHz models are introduced (Apple would of course not introduce two Power Mac upgrades within a month of each other).

And why this incessant 3 GHz obsession anyway? Yes, Jobs did promise, but people here really seem to be acting like little children, screaming: "But you promised!"

Has anyone here every used a dual 2 GHz G5? Trust me, these machines have much more speed and power than 99% of the people clamoring for Jobs to keep his 3 GHz promise really need...

[SiliconAddict]

Not really, considering one is a desktop and the other is a laptop.

And consider that a non-pro line product now has a pro feature that the pro laptops do not and will doubtlessly kick the snot out of the pro line of laptops which IMHO should never occur on ANY base line system be it desktop or laptop. Laptops should be a form factor not an excuse for a slow system. I agree with ZildjianKX its going to look pathetic on Apple's part. They may have technical hurtles as rdowns suggests and might not have any choice in the matter but it still doesn't change the fact that this is going to further make the PowerBooks look like souring grapes on the vine.

Hey rdowns. So you have the inside scoop on apple development huh? I mean you sound so authoritative on the subject of how its not "technically feasible".

[iriejedi]

Needed a laugh - this comment was hysterical! :p


He can do that from any room now! :)

[regarding Steve Jobs Facing the music for NOT hitting the 3gig speed mark]

[SiliconAddict]

And why this incessant 3 GHz obsession anyway? Yes, Jobs did promise, but people here really seem to be acting like little children, screaming: "But you promised!"


*raises hands to the heavens* Because its the Word of Jobs and lo the Word is holy, and righteous, and pious, and other religious stuff. And lo Jobs came down from the mount and spewed forth G5 at 3Ghz and truly the masses believe and thus it was written the world over on boards of electricity that Jobs will give us G5 3Ghz before the end of the following summer and it shall be so. Amen.
:rolleyes:

*runs for cover* Someone is sooo going to club by four me. :p

[pjkelnhofer]

i hope im right when i say "no way". rev b g5s are a big deal. steve wont let the announcement pass with little to no fanfare.

I disagree. Even at 3 GHz they are not a huge deal. At least not nearly as big a deal as getting the G5 into another Mac line (ie, the iMac). Two things lend a lot of credence to this rumor as far as I am concerned.

1) They announced the AiportExpress on a Monday. Not Apple's usual day for announcements, make me think something else is on tap for tomorrow.

2) Next weeks, big announcements is going to be iTMS Europe, that can easily carry Apple until WWDC starts as far as big announcements.

I hope they are announced tomorrow because means that something huge is coming at WWDC!

[pjkelnhofer]

may be a pro event but who the heck do you think buys all that software? consumers! what better reason to get them off their behinds and start writing G5 apps.

Good point, in fact WWDC is not a "pro" event at all. It is a developer event, and developer make need to make software for every Mac there is not just the PowerMac!

It has nothing to do with pro vs. consumer at all. It is for people writing software and periphals for the entire Mac line (eMac, iMac, iBook, PowerBook, and PowerMac). Not to mention any so far unknown products.

[DGFan]

that's not shooting it in the back.. it would be a supplement, if dell releases new workstations with 2.8 ghz, and a month later announces the 3.0 ghz with a new processor, that would be shooting in the back too? It has a word.. 'evolution'

if i would buy a 2.8 which I'm gonna do :-), then i will not feel any negative feelings about the release of that 3.0, it's just the way technological evolution works..

In a word: no.

Your analogy is completely wrong. The suggestion was to release new computers tomorrow. And then three weeks later announce new, faster computers which won't be available for a couple months.

Read my lips: aint going to happen.
Why? Because it would be stupid. No one would buy a PowerMac after WWDC until the new ones were released.

It may upset people that Apple doesn't prea-nnounce products but it is done that way for a very, very good reason.

[wdlove]

I'm wondering if the Rev. B is introduced tomorrow, then the memory rebate and the 23" Cinema Display continued. If it continues, then it will even be sweeter.

[dieselg4]

As a PRO only user I would cry!

Pro shoe . . . you can't have a RAID in a powerbook either, or 8GB of Ram

[~Shard~]

How about this possibility? PowerMac updates are in fact announced tomorrow, and they are not 3 GHz. However, Steve keeps his promise by having 3 GHz by the end of summer, however it's simply an announcement and that's all - at WWDC, or sometime in July or August, Jobs does in fact announce the 3 GHz G5, but mentions they won't be shipping for another 4 months or so. This would give the Rev Bs enough time in the marketplace without becoming totally outdated right off the bat, yet would also allow Steve to keep his promise...

[klaus]

I'm wondering if the Rev. B is introduced tomorrow, then the memory rebate and the 23" Cinema Display continued. If it continues, then it will even be sweeter.

already thought of that myself, but then again..you are buying a brand new G5 with a monitor that was released a couple years ago..(don't know the exact period)

that makes me think, although the display is of excellent quality, I do feel however a little akward about the fact that @ wwdc there may be new ones.. and personally i could do with a 20" as well, maybe with a higher resolution..

anyways, looks like a promising second half of 2004!

[SiliconAddict]

I disagree. Even at 3 GHz they are not a huge deal. At least not nearly as big a deal as getting the G5 into another Mac line (ie, the iMac). Two things lend a lot of credence to this rumor as far as I am concerned.


Agreed. Does Apple make a big deal about the PowerBook speedbump that occurred a couple months ago? Why should they about a G5 speedbump? Jobs is all about one thing: Showmanship. So he drops the exact same shell on stage that came out last year. Why should the audience care? Now imagine him dropping the G5 iMac bombshell with maybe even a new form and only mention that G5's are now at 3Ghz or 2.8 or whatever they are going to be. Jobs announcements have never been about seedbumps. The ego wouldn't allow anything other then a major hardware release.

[SiliconAddict]

In a word: no.
Why? Because it would be stupid. No one would buy a PowerMac after WWDC until the new ones were released.

You mean like they did with last year's G5 release? It didn't ship until what? August-September did it not? :rolleyes:

[Grimace]

Why?

Didn't Apple say a long time ago that they wanted to stop releasing products only at the big events to try to avoid the roller-coaster sales figures that always sag for months before an event?

Besides, if the release now, they can (hopefully) crow about how many orders they have received "already" by the WWDC keynote.

Yes - and I wish people on this forum would get this. Steve want to make this a DEVELOPER's conference.

New PMs tomorrow, maybe new Displays at WWDC. :D

[charlesc]

If PM'S come tomorrow we can rest assured they will come with 970fx (90nm) procs at 2ghz and up, but not 3ghz as everyone has pointed out. And if true (sub 3ghz pm's), this would definitely be a normal Tuesday speedbump, and not a WWDC release.

If this does happen I would expext SJ to at least 'preview' the next gen PM (power5 variant presumably @ 3ghz?) at the august expo in Paris, with them shipping a few months later, IF they exist?

[.a]

Why?

Didn't Apple say a long time ago that they wanted to stop releasing products only at the big events to try to avoid the roller-coaster sales figures that always sag for months before an event?

Besides, if the release now, they can (hopefully) crow about how many orders they have received "already" by the WWDC keynote.

i just feel like there won't be 3ghz pmacs tomorrow ... if there are i will jump around and after landing on my feet i go and get one :)
though it's just this feeling: if there are some powermacs tomorrow they won't be @ 3 ghz ...
just my two cents
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[rdowns]

Yes, nice to dream about, but iMacs are consumer models, not pro. WWDC is a pro event.

First, I'll say it again, the notion of consumer vs. pro is assinine. Make the best damn product you can in each line.

Second, the WWDC is a DEVELOPER'S conference. Developer's write software for the Mac platform. Expanding the Mac platform (G5) is what developers want to hear. Maybe we'll finally get some software to exploit the G5 which is now a paper tiger.

[rdowns]

And consider that a non-pro line product now has a pro feature that the pro laptops do not and will doubtlessly kick the snot out of the pro line of laptops which IMHO should never occur on ANY base line system be it desktop or laptop. Laptops should be a form factor not an excuse for a slow system. I agree with ZildjianKX its going to look pathetic on Apple's part. They may have technical hurtles as rdowns suggests and might not have any choice in the matter but it still doesn't change the fact that this is going to further make the PowerBooks look like souring grapes on the vine.

Hey rdowns. So you have the inside scoop on apple development huh? I mean you sound so authoritative on the subject of how its not "technically feasible".

I have no inside scoop. I made the statement based on all the posts I've read about heat issues and power requirements with the G5. Seems to make sense that putting a G5 in a 1" slim PB is not an easy task. While I'd love to see Apple release it, common sense says we still have a while to wait.

What if Apple released a bigger PB with a G5? Bigger to better handle heat issues. He faithful would probably slam them for it.

[The Lost]

If they were announcing new powermacs tomorrow, then the developers getting a special price on G5s until June 26 wouldn't make much sense... Who would want to buy the 1.6 Ghz G5 at that same price after an announcement and corresponding devaluing of the old models tomorrow?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Okay, so is the original source of this rumor credible? Is the PM G5 probably going to be updated tomorrow?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

If they were announcing new powermacs tomorrow, then the developers getting a special price on G5s until June 26 wouldn't make much sense... Who would want to buy the 1.6 Ghz G5 at that same price after an announcement and corresponding devaluing of the old models tomorrow?

Good point, but developers are getting that 1.6 G5 at something like $1299. So, there still would be some motivation to get it.

[cubist]

Okay, so is the original source of this rumor credible? Is the PM G5 probably going to be updated tomorrow?

It's on page 2 for a reason.

The reason could be that 1.5GHz G4 iMacs are going to be introduced tomorrow :-/

[DGFan]

You mean like they did with last year's G5 release? It didn't ship until what? August-September did it not? :rolleyes:

Yes, but they didn't release new PowerMacs 3 weeks before that announcement, did they?
:p

[itsa]

And why this incessant 3 GHz obsession anyway?
Because anything less will be 2.something!

[itsa]

How about this possibility? PowerMac updates are in fact announced tomorrow, and they are not 3 GHz. However, Steve keeps his promise by having 3 GHz by the end of summer, however it's simply an announcement and that's all - at WWDC, or sometime in July or August, Jobs does in fact announce the 3 GHz G5, but mentions they won't be shipping for another 4 months or so. This would give the Rev Bs enough time in the marketplace without becoming totally outdated right off the bat, yet would also allow Steve to keep his promise...

That would be more than enough to make me wait for 3gigers.

[bob_the_gorilla]

"Brilliant Savings" isn't over yet. I don't expect new PowerMacs. If there are, I'll be pleased, but confused.

Though, I could totally understand Steve wanting to slip them out quietly if they're under 3GHZ. And yes, it DOES matter - he made a public promise. While I won't be too disappointed, technology-wise, he'll lose credibility. Apple HAVE to get those 3GHZ beasts out by the end of the summer, or risk looking stupid.

As for this being a developer conference... I can totally see that, but I am surprised if, with all these product announcements happening (relatively) quietly, he hasn't saved something up. Jobs is a showman - he loves an audience. I can't really see him passing up all these great opportunities if there isn't something else he reckons he'll get more adulation for.

[dongmin]

and if 3Ghz are not announced tomorrow, and if Steve hopes to save face, the updates tomorrow will be shipping immediately and Steve, on the last tuesday of summer, will announce 3Ghz machines, shipping around Christmas (in volume).

This update is no doubt the interim update planned for last Feb/March. Minimal changes to the architecture. 970fx, up to 2.6 or 2.8 ghz, will replace the 970. The usual graphics, HD, and RAM upgrades. Immediate availability.

Then, the 975 will debut in September at the Paris Expo with a brand new architecture. Steve will have kept his promise. And everyone goes home happy.

The 970fx was delayed because of yield issues with the 90 nm process at Fishkill. Steve himself has said as much. So now, according to IBM, the problem is resolved, and Fishkill is happily churning away 90 nm chips, including the 975. If they're able to produce 970fxs in volume, then they shouldn't have any problems producing 975s.

[bob_the_gorilla]

Oh, and the PowerBooks already look silly. I totally support the idea of making the best product possible in every area, but you can't neglect something so important as the 'Books. What about all of that "year of the portable" stuff - are they now too 'last year'? :(

[Heltik]

Maybe I'm going insane, but I seem to recollect that Apple has released 2 of a product line before, with the highend due in a few weeks or whatever.

If Apple chose to up the two lower end models, to say 2.0 and 2.4 or some such, and announce the 3 ghz top end to be released in a couple of months, then I really don't see many people complaining, especially if the new models adopted the respective price points.

Personally though I think that Steve will start like this "I'm sorry by I have to apologise, but the high-end mac will not be at 3ghz this summer... No, I'm sorry... that's the low end one... the highend one is at 4ghz..." (Seriously) :D

[sfwalter]

If they do annouce new PowerMac's I hope that also annouce the new displays. It would ashame to get a revision-b PowerMac and no display to go with it. Where I live (Austin, Texas), I can't find a 20" Cinema Display anywhere.

Also, I hope the new PowerMacs have dual layer dvd burners. I see that Sony and other PC manufactures are getting ready to release PCs with dual-layer burners.

[Dont Hurt Me]

It's on page 2 for a reason.

The reason could be that 1.5GHz G4 iMacs are going to be introduced tomorrow :-/That kind of talk could get you banned! ;)

[macnews]

I am surprised at some people on here who don't "get" the 3.0 Ghz promise and why it is so important. The giga-hertz reality is that macs have been losing to PC systems. The G5 made significant ground in that area but still leave "the world's fastest computer" issue up for debate. Closing to 3 Ghz not only brings macs as fast or faster than the best PC's, but also (and more importantly) closes the mind share gap of any precieved difference in consumers minds - read those who are thinking of switching. This is key to macs gaining more market share. Then you tack on the CEO PROMISING to be at that mark in a year only adds to the importance. Oh yeah, then you ad on there have been NO real updates (speed wise, sorry the dual 1.8 was to move machines, no real improvement in the chip or speed) and you get a computer line that is almost a year old - a lifetime in tech years. These all combine to make the 3 gig mark very important. If we had seen some speed bumps along the way, it wouldn't be as big - but we haven't so it is.

As to those who say something less than 3 tomorrow and then announce 3 gigs a few months later - what are you smoking, cause I want some! :rolleyes: This would just be a bad business move. Other's have covered why so I won't bother. I would like to see Apple move to just quitely rolling out speed bumps much like all the PC people do. A few years ago, you spend $1500 on a PC and in three months you would get a lot more for your same $1500. Apple hasn't worked that way, but I think Steve is trying to move down that road and save the big announcements for a new form factor/look or signigicant chip upgrade. Those tend to be big news and move product, not speed bumps. This would help move product continuely because they wouldn't get the typical slow down around conferences or suspected announcements. Matter of fact, it would make guessing those announcements difficult.

All that being said, I do not think we will see new Powermacs tomorrow. The promo Apple is running doesn't expire untill later and Apple's past has shown those promo's tend to coincide with new product being announced. I could see 3 gigs announced at WWDC (not news since he said it would happen, thus not much time spent on the topic) while the big news being a G5 imac. That would be cool.

[dizastor]

new displays tommorow too? lets hope!

I love new stuff that I can't afford.

[ingenious]

I doubt it. These won't be announced before WWDC, unless PowerBook G5s and iMac G5s are the new things at WWDC and the PMs didn't reach 3 GHz.

[nek]

Yes - and I wish people on this forum would get this. Steve want to make this a DEVELOPER's conference.

New PMs tomorrow, maybe new Displays at WWDC. :D

It doesn't make much sense to update the Powermac (even if its just a minor update) and then 3 weeks later update the displays.

Otherwise I agree. The Powermac and displays tommorrow 2.0, 2.4, 2.6GHz, all dual. Then the iMac G5 at WWDC will be 1.6GHz 15", 1.8GHz 17", and 1.8GHz 20".
But I also think that the Powermac will start receiving more frequent updates, about every 3-6 months. The PowerBook G5 will need to be introduced by january to keep those customers happy.

[~Shard~]

It doesn't make much sense to update the Powermac (even if its just a minor update) and then 3 weeks later update the displays.{/QUOTE]

True, but the same could have been said a year ago when the all-new G5 PowerMac design was released - why weren't new, matching displays released along with them? Displays will be released when they're ready to be released, but I agree that it would be beneficial to release them together.

[QUOTE=nek]But I also think that the Powermac will start receiving more frequent updates, about every 3-6 months.

Assuming a new line-up topping out at 2.6 GHz, then I could definitely see then next revision being soon thereafter, since it will no doubt be the 3 GHz revision, however as for more frequent updates in general, we'll have to see. Of course, after waiting an entire year for updates like this past year, any updates will be more frequent by default! ;)

The PowerBook G5 will need to be introduced by january to keep those customers happy.

Possibly in January, but I could see it a couple months later too, like February or March, perhaps even for MWSF '05. Regardless, I've said it before and I'll say it again, no G5 PowerBooks until 2005... :cool:

[wdlove]

Assuming a new line-up topping out at 2.6 GHz, then I could definitely see then next revision being soon thereafter, since it will no doubt be the 3 GHz revision, however as for more frequent updates in general, we'll have to see. Of course, after waiting an entire year for updates like this past year, any updates will be more frequent by default! ;)

Possibly in January, but I could see it a couple months later too, like February or March, perhaps even for MWSF '05. Regardless, I've said it before and I'll say it again, no G5 PowerBooks until 2005... :cool:

I will be very disappointed if the Rev. B isn't 3 GHz. Can still hope till the actual release. :(

[Dont Hurt Me]

I will be very disappointed if the Rev. B isn't 3 GHz. Can still hope till the actual release. :(People come on,Steve was just giving us a hint of what was to come,its not like he is home baking these things up in his easy bake oven.. so maybe they do hit 3 ghz or maybe they dont for another few months the new powermacs will have enough power to do whatever you want. Im just glad as heck Powermacs arent dual G4s running at 1.5 now that would make me sick!

[~Shard~]

People come on,Steve was just giving us a hint of what was to come,its not like he is home baking these things up in his easy bake oven.. so maybe they do hit 3 ghz or maybe they dont for another few months the new powermacs will have enough power to do whatever you want. Im just glad as heck Powermacs arent dual G4s running at 1.5 now that would make me sick!

I know we've disagreed on many things before DHM, but I do agree with you on this one - any update is better than nothing, especially since it's been an entire year with nothing! Although a 3GHz release would truly show that IBM means business, a 2.6 GHz release is definitely more than adequate and is nothing to sneer at.

Geez, DHM, you even made me chuckle with your "easy bake oven" comment - what's going on here, usually we're arguing with each other... ;) :cool:

[Dont Hurt Me]

I know we've disagreed on many things before DHM, but I do agree with you on this one - any update is better than nothing, especially since it's been an entire year with nothing! Although a 3GHz release would truly show that IBM means business, a 2.6 GHz release is definitely more than adequate and is nothing to sneer at.

Geez, DHM, you even made me chuckle with your "easy bake oven" comment - what's going on here, usually we're arguing with each other... ;) :cool:You must be pretty old to remember those or are they still making those things? My sister had one but then she sold it to the G4 lab at motorola. :D

[~Shard~]

You must be pretty old to remember those or are they still making those things? My sister had one but then she sold it to the G4 lab at motorola. :D

I have no idea if they're still making them or not - just one of those things I remember being around from my younger days... I think my cousin had one, but I can't even remember now... I was probably too busy playing on my brother's Apple //e :cool:

[neonart]

You must be pretty old to remember those or are they still making those things? My sister had one but then she sold it to the G4 lab at motorola. :D

*Sure* "your sister". You can admit to using an easy bake oven- it's ok. :D ;)

Im with you folks! Any update to the G5's is a good thing. I've been waiting since DECEMBER! First it was MWSF, then feb, then March... this better be it or I'm hooking up my Turbo Gaphix16 and never looking back!

[Borg3of5]

Seeing how the Dual 2.0 G5 is already a knockout system, I'd probably forego a Rev.B G5 at lowend of 2.2, IF there are any refurbished or "leftover" Dual 2.0's priced very competitively. I mean...c'mon...where does it end?!

[thejazzman10]

jeez, have you guys been living in a cave?? if he doesn't reach 3GHz i will go crazy....i mean, think about it, ive seen phones with 2.4 GHz written on the box!!!!! :D :D :D

[~Shard~]

if he doesn't reach 3GHz i will go crazy....

Steve Jobs is a man of many talents, however I don't know if he would be able to oscillate that fast - unless he was really nervous on stage and really shaking a lot - I don't think that it would be healthy to have Jobs running at 3 GHz.... :p ;)

[Michael Vance]

This is too funny. This site has reported rumors of new powermacs almost twice monthly for the last six months. So I figure that the month that new powermacs actually do come out would have maybe one, at most two incorrect rumors. They just have to keep doing the usual and they are guaranteed of being right at least once, even if only by accident. And yet they somehow seem to have ramped up the incorrect predictions to almost one a day now.

[rog]

Wow, I just love the new G5s! almost as much as my iWalk and video iPod.

[wdlove]

I also agree that any update is better then no update at all. We definitely need the Rev. B, so any current problems will be fixed and have newer technology. That along with 10.4 will make for an awesome machine. :)

[jwhitnah]

Wow, I just love the new G5s! almost as much as my iWalk and video iPod.

Was the iWalk circa 2002 the PDA theat Jobs' nixed at the last minute? :confused:

BTW, a handheld video device seems like a gimmic at this point. I would not waste money for one.

[macridah]

Well .... looks like this is what it is ... a rumor. June 28 is not that far away. The truth will be told soon, and I heard from an iCard from steve, that "it will be worth it"

[Photorun]

Meh. Nice rumor! :rolleyes:

[StrangeQuark]

I doubt this is anything significant, but the Order Status portion of the Apple Store is closed for update. Thought I'd post it just in case it turns out to be anything.

[ingenious]

I doubt this is anything significant, but the Order Status portion of the Apple Store is closed for update. Thought I'd post it just in case it turns out to be anything.


That usually means a minor update (i.e. eMac bump).

[Duff-Man]

I doubt this is anything significant, but the Order Status portion of the Apple Store is closed for update. Thought I'd post it just in case it turns out to be anything.Duff-Man says...it's just past "closing time" on the west coast...probably just updating the days shipments and that kind of stuff....oh yeah!....nothing unusual

[yoman]

Duff-Man says...it's just past "closing time" on the west coast...probably just updating the days shipments and that kind of stuff....oh yeah!....nothing unusual

the apple store is down!!!! :)

[maverick13]

the apple store is down!!!! :)
The creative class needs superior tools to produce designs, music, high-definition video or the next scientific breakthrough. The new Power Mac G5 line spans as far as you require. Its dual 64-bit G5 processors — with speeds of up to 2.5GHz — room for up to 8GB of main memory, 8X SuperDrive and ultrahigh-bandwidth system architecture will give you more results than systems costing twice as much. M
2.5GHz G5 ,neither 2.2GHz ,neither 3.0GHz , :D :D :D :D
I don't see any other thing changed,I can't believe they haven't updated the graphics cards!
At least this quick -solution suggests that we may see the 3GHz model later this year

[rog]

I think it's time to start a new thread speculating on when new G5 revisions will come out. Many of us have been doing this since last November in anticipation of MWSF and now we finally got updates yesterday. Personally, i expect new G5 updates to come out on Tuesday.

[KingJobs]

This rumor was one day off...not bad for page 2!

[wdlove]

I think it's time to start a new thread speculating on when new G5 revisions will come out. Many of us have been doing this since last November in anticipation of MWSF and now we finally got updates yesterday. Personally, i expect new G5 updates to come out on Tuesday.

What are you expecting in the way of G5 updates this coming Tuesday June 15th?

[jsw]

I think it's time to start a new thread speculating on when new G5 revisions will come out. Many of us have been doing this since last November in anticipation of MWSF and now we finally got updates yesterday. Personally, i expect new G5 updates to come out on Tuesday.

rofl!

I'm sure we'll see the headless G5 iMacs on the 15th. And the 30" display! Woo hoo!

:)

[PowerMacMan]

I think it's time to start a new thread speculating on when new G5 revisions will come out. Many of us have been doing this since last November in anticipation of MWSF and now we finally got updates yesterday. Personally, i expect new G5 updates to come out on Tuesday.

You do mean the iMac G5 right? If Apple released a PM G5 update and released another one a few days after that one, then I would not be ashamed of saying Apple is the stupidist company in this whole fn world...

But I know they would never do such a thing and that's crazy talk... Sorry but I'm to tired to think...

[iriejedi]

:eek: Has anyone been able to confirm or Deny the rumor of new Powermacs around June 8th?

SHould this move to Page 1?

:confused: :rolleyes: :)

[pjkelnhofer]

:eek: Has anyone been able to confirm or Deny the rumor of new Powermacs around June 8th?

SHould this move to Page 1?

:confused: :rolleyes: :)

I haven't heard anything about it. :p

[rog]

Word on the grapevine is updates coming on Tuesday! If not the 22nd, then the 29th or July 6th. Hooray!

[~Shard~]

Word on the grapevine is updates coming on Tuesday! If not the 22nd, then the 29th or July 6th. Hooray!

Which grapevine is this? And since you posted this in a PowerMac update thread I assume you are meaning PowerMacs, and not general updates? I find this highly doubtful. But of course, as you say, if not Tuesday, then the 29th, or the 6th - or the 13th or the 20th or the 27th or November 16th... :rolleyes:

Othert updates, perhaps, but PowerMac updates? Highly doubtful. Plus, Apples don't grow on grapevines... :cool:

[Jacasey]

Has anyone heard of any of these bad boys actually being delivered?

If not - Anyone have an insight on when they WILL start delivering?

All I get from Apple is that your order will be filled, as agreed, before 7/30.

:confused: