2.6GHz PowerMacs Tomorrow?

[MacRumors]

Confirming some recent rumors, Thinksecret reports (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/g5refresh.html) that Apple will be speed-bumping the PowerMac line tomorrow to a top speed of 2.6GHz.

The new machines are expected on June 8th, 2004 after a number of delays over the past few months.

There is no indication of the specs of the remaining models.

[klaus]

great!!!

and now let's hear all the 'no 3ghz' whiners...

My guess is 3ghz will be announced at end of the summer, shipping in couple of months!

[Fuchal]

Awesome. Leads a good way to 3Ghz. :)

[jjmaximum]

this close to WWDC...but maybe too many other goodies to announce then?

[Soire]

Yee-haw.

Now the questions become, what's the specs, and what's processor, and when do they ship?

Greedy, whiny, I know... man what a day... :)

[triton]

Hopefully we will see Dual 3GHZ by WWDC. I think we will. ;)

[yoman]

hmm i wonder what the prices will be.

if all dual and same price=great

if lower price across line =great

if same price same lineup style =ok i guess

[dizastor]

These machines will kick some serious a$$. Can't wait for reports from the lucky people who buy them.

[robotrenegade]

3.0's won't be here until it's closer to 2005.

[DMann]

It makes more sense to have a "quiet" update now,
the Drama at WWDC will have a greater impact
with less confusion......

[zach]

3.0's won't be here until it's closer to 2005.

Eh.. I'm thinking 3 GHz at WWDC.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

If all this is coming this week I don't think I bother to watch the Keynote at WWDC2004... or can SJ have something really amazing up his sleeve like a Cube-like iMac replacement for the living room (the PowerMac 8,1 from 10.3.4) - hopefully not called an xMac...

[erik1975]

Didn't we have a week earlier this year where Apple released something new every day. (new as in new/enhanced products HW/SW)

[xtbfx]

I'm thinking they might release the new G5s before WWDC (possible announce the 3Ghz @ WWDC), just to pave the way for the iMac G5

[Laslo Panaflex]

There is no way that Steve will annouce 3gig G5's if they release new ones tomorrow, I mean, who will buy them if you could get a 3gig just months after. It would kill sales of the Powermac.

[five04]

if there will be 3ghz at wwdc, will the price of the 2.6 drop or will apple just make the 3ghz version priced higher?

[Wonder Boy]

if this is true and there is no 3ghz announcment tomorrow or at wwdc, there will be many many pissed customers and stock holders who counted on steve's promise of 3ghz within a year. dont give me that "he has till sept 22" bs. he said 3 in a year and thats what i expect.

[Freg3000]

ThinkSecret = Dead lock for me.

I know some will point to a few mistakes of theirs in the past, but I can't remember the last time they were just flat out wrong with a number like this.

WHOA! Anyone see this at the end?

"The source also pointed to the possibility of quad G5 models, but stressed that the development was unconfirmed."

[whenpaulsparks]

i think they will reach 3 GHz by the end of summer. maybe up to 2.6 now, then by the end of summer have a 2.6, 2.8 and 3.0 maybe?

but they won't release 3.0 at WWDC if they don't tomorrow. that would be stupid. but, it would be steve keeping his word...

mark my words -- iMac G5 this summer.

[Bear]

If all this is coming this week I don't think I bother to watch the Keynote at WWDC2004... or can SJ have something really amazing up his sleeve like a Cube-like iMac replacement for the living room (the PowerMac 8,1 from 10.3.4) - hopefully not called an xMac...I'd say a good portion of the Keynote will be about Tiger. It's a developers conference, they want to know about the OS they need to develope for as well as the hardware.

There probably will be some hardware announcements at WWDC, but nothing to consume that much time.

[Abu Reno]

WERE JUST GONNA HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. I HATE SOAP OPERA'S :mad:
THERE BETTER BE A 30 INCH LCD THIS MONTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iHack]

3.0's won't be here until it's closer to 2005.

I agree. The highlight of WWDC will be the iMac G5 at 1.6 or 1.8 GHz.
3.0 GHz G5 possibly announced in september (Steve: I told you we would), shipping in november/december, with Tiger pre-installed.

[DGFan]

Hopefully we will see Dual 3GHZ by WWDC. I think we will. ;)

Won't happen - and they won't be announced there either. I think that September (isn't Paris Expo around then?) would be a likely time frame for the 3Ghz model - assuming Jobs wants to keep his 1 year prediction.

edit: After reading another handful of posts suggesting the same, I am amazed at the number of people posting who have no business sense whatsoever.
:rolleyes:

[Soc7777777]

everyone here is acting greedy... 2.0 to 2.6 is a 30 percent gain... now it has taken them a long time to do that... but you dont see the P4 go from 3.4 to 4.4 ghz because that is a 30 percent gain... but anyway... no one will every satisfy people when it comes to speed.. so lets just hope they keep trying....

[robotrenegade]

Eh.. I'm thinking 3 GHz at WWDC.

If they have 2.6 now why in 12 more days have 3.0 come out.

[DanielB21]

So, what else could possibly be up Steve's sleeve? One thing's for sure, Apple doesn't usually disappoint.

[Flyers486]

I'd have to say that any comments dismissing the gripes of the mac community over a lack of 3ghz machines are misguided. Yes I am certain the new machines will be excellent and continue to out perform their PC breatheren, but I am also certain of specific comments from the CEO of Apple Comp. stating that 3ghz would be here by WWDC. Those machines should be here now. Any belief otherwise is simply fanboyism gone arry. The priority for us as a community is to have technological dominance, thus drawing more users to the mac marketplace. 2.6 ghz is not dominance. The promised 3ghz is dominance.

Greg

[ffakr]

If we get a 2.6 dual tomorrow, I'd be shocked if we saw a 3GHz by WWDC. The only way it'd happen would be:
a) apple doesn't fill the lineup tomorrow. Maybe they leave an "Ultimate" slot open for a WWDC announcement. Kind of a way for SJ to say, see? I told you so!
b) Apple releases a new, low volume workstation model with the 3GHz processors.. maybe something based of the Power5 instead of the 970fx.

I doubt A) since 2.6 to 3GHz is a big jump for one model step in the line up of their machines.
I doubt B) but not as much as A). Making an expensive OS X (Unix-like) workstation would be an interesting move but only if they could guarantee workstation upgrades. No one is going to buy a $6000 Macintosh unless it is wicked fast AND then only if it has support for Professional rendering cards/drivers and such. I'd love to see Apple offer a real workstation but they'd need to simultaneously announce new 3rd party hardware and software support. No one will buy an expensive mac workstation if it doesn't run their apps and if it doesn't support the hardware they require.

I'd have to guess that if this is true, we'll see 2.6GHz till at least fall.

Personally, I'm happy with a 30% boost in one year.. it'd be better than Intel or AMD has managed.. but I'd really like to shut up the PC zealots who are screaming "Steve Jobs is a Liar!!" because he repeated what IBM assured him.

[Sebas00]

just like I said. all dual, 2.2/2.4/2.6ghz.
cool. I think, that their will be an update to 3.0 by september/october. :)

[coumerelli]

If all this is coming this week I don't think I bother to watch the Keynote at WWDC2004... or can SJ have something really amazing up his sleeve like a Cube-like iMac replacement for the living room (the PowerMac 8,1 from 10.3.4) - hopefully not called an xMac...

SERIOUSLY...you can't just NOT watch the keynote. That'd be like skipping out on watching the Superbowl because, 'well, I know one of the teams will win, so that means the other is gonna lose.'

lol - Im SO going to be in Chi-town that day! Downtown or Schaumburg.

[dizastor]

yeah.. there is no way they will announce 2.6 tomorrow AND announce 3.0 at WWDC at the end of the month ... people around here get pissy when their Mac isn't the best after the normal product cycle time... imagine if those people buy the 2.6 and 3.0 comes out 12 days later.... ANARCHY!

[deputy_doofy]

...to buy a G5. Dual 2.6, dual 3.0, whatever.
Yes, Steve Promised a 3.0. However, $#!t happens, and IBM had some problems. Now, shut the F up and buy a cool somputer. My future dual 2.6 (or whatever it is) will kick the crap out of any P4. End of story.

[nmk]

I cant believe some of the people here. Given this news how could you possibly imagine, even in your wildest fantasies, that Apple will release 3Ghz machines by WWDC or even September. If Apple releases 2.6 Ghz machines tomorrow, there will be no upgrade for another six months at least. This upgrade makes sense given IBMs problems with yealds at high clockspeeds. The soonest you can expect them to reach, or surpass, 3 Ghz is the end of the year or Jan.

[MrMacMan]

I have heard rumors from 'The Company' that there is a revision past 3 GHZ sooo... I'll just wait after the summer.

[yoman]

8X superdrive= pretty sure the eMac has one
PCI-Express=hope so
Standard 1GB Ram= would be nice
Standard 250GB HD= nice as well
Standard Airport and Bluetooth= :)
etc....

:)

[Niknar]

I think this means IBM hasn't been able to make the target. I would say 3Ghz in 6th Months. They have been having problems.

If they do release 2.6 G5s tomorrow then they will not release a 3Ghz at WWDC. No 3Ghz for us. If you still think they will then your going to be disappointed.

But Dual 2.6Ghz is not damn bad.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Does an "announcement" mean that tomorrow Apple will officially say that the 2.6 Ghz model will be released? Or will it be released tomorrow for order, and ship later on?

The reason I ask: I'm planning on getting the Dual 1.8 Ghz for the reduced price once the new model is released. Will I be able to make my order tomorrow, and have it shipped ASAP?

[leftbanke7]

I remember during Macworld Steve fessing up to the xServe issues and admiting that things didn't go as planned. I see no reason that he doesn't go to WWDC and say,"Hey, we thought we were gonna get 3G chips, but we didn't. We're working on it."

[triton]

if this is true and there is no 3ghz announcment tomorrow or at wwdc, there will be many many pissed customers and stock holders who counted on steve's promise of 3ghz within a year. dont give me that "he has till sept 22" bs. he said 3 in a year and thats what i expect.

This what I was thinking in my head, but was too afraid to say it. :)

[applekid]

Let's see some new G5s. And let's see 3 GHz by WWDC!!!!!!!! :cool:

[Lancetx]

I think this means IBM hasn't been able to make the target. I would say 3Ghz in 6th Months. They have been having problems.

If they do release 2.6 G5s tomorrow then they will not release a 3Ghz at WWDC. No 3Ghz for us. If you still think they will then your going to be disappointed.

But Dual 2.6Ghz is not damn bad.

Agreed. I'd be satisfied with a Dual 3GHz in time for MWSF in January 2005. A Dual 2.6GHz at the high end is rather impressive for now. Lord knows that Intel sure hasn't had a 30% performance increase over the past year like this would be for Apple/IBM...

[gregorypierce]

If they have 2.6 now why in 12 more days have 3.0 come out.

Shock and Awe! :eek:

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

SERIOUSLY...you can't just NOT watch the keynote. That'd be like skipping out on watching the Superbowl because, 'well, I know one of the teams will win, so that means the other is gonna lose.'


I know its kind of hard, but I really can't be bothered to sit for 2 hours to learn about mostly software updates... Not that software isn't exciting, but if Tiger, Rendezvous and iTMS Europe is the highlights then I prefer to read about the features quietly afterwards... :)

[iriejedi]

That article from Think Secret is great news - but it is sad at the same time - only a one new model keeping the other just at a cheaper price... - The only real anti climax for me is that with waiting for Rev B G5s... my personal goal and desire was hoping for a modified interior more then the processor speed - like PCI-X, 2nd opticle bay etc... so I hope that we see the 2.0's go to iMac and a 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 line up tomorrow (all with better guts). :o

I also agree that to release a new TOL model tomorrow and then bump it off the moutain in 12 days would be rather poor play by Apple. I also agree that Apple will return to NOT announcing anything before it is ready and there will be no 3gig news until we all read it on the Apple Store Web site.


If they have 2.6 now why in 12 more days have 3.0 come out.

[nmk]

To be honest, I think Tiger is a more interesting topic than G5 upgrades. Whats the big deal about G5 upgrades. Computers get faster all the time. Its been happening for years, nothing new about it. However, Apple is currently including new and never before seen features in their new OS's. These features effect and change the way we use our computers on a daily basis. Very exciting stuff for me.

[Sir_Giggles]

If the rumor is indeed true and they are quietly releasing Dual 2.6Ghz G5s as their top speed model... it could only mean one thing. Steve, at WWDC, will intro a workstation-class Quad 3GHz G5, dubbed PowerMac G5 Extreme... you read it here first.

[triton]

I remember during Macworld Steve fessing up to the xServe issues and admiting that things didn't go as planned. I see no reason that he doesn't go to WWDC and say,"Hey, we thought we were gonna get 3G chips, but we didn't. We're working on it."

True. I can very easily see him saying that. But then we can only take his promises with a grain of salt next time. :(

[Koyaanisqatsi]

... so I hope that we see the 2.0's go to iMac and a 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 line up tomorrow (all with better guts). :o



So.... will we be able to order these tomorrow?

[gothamac]

2.4 Single- Available Today- $1,699
2.6 Dual- Available today- $2,499
2.8 Dual- Available July- $2,999
3.0 Dual Available September- $3,499

[Macmaniac]

I don't care if its a 2.6 or a 3.0, I am buying either way. I really hope Apple's midrange model is a good value like the 1.8 was. If 2.6 is the high then I will get the 2.4! If 3.0 is the high then whatever is the rung below I will buy that! Just please Apple put a good video card in it, I want to play warcraft 3 at max graphics!

[LaMerVipere]

>June 7th – Airport Express with Airtunes/Security Update RELEASED
>June 8th – Power Mac G5 Upgrades} Dual 2.2/2.4/2.6GHz COMING SOON...
>June 15th – iTunes Music Store Europe/Canada Launch COMING SOON...
>June 22nd – iMac G5 Release} 15"/17"/20" widescreen, single 1.8 & 2.0GHz G5 processors COMING SOON...

This would be a very nice schedule for this month indeed! :)

[quagmire]

I have heard alot about the 970fx problems. That caused the scratched update back in November. I am also hearing that the 975 Power5 based processor didn't share the same problems. That it was going to plan. If I wasn't misaken apple was going to use the 975 chip for their 3.0 Ghz G5. If we do have the Powermac G5 update tommorow and no 3.0 Ghz only at 2.6 Ghz. There is only one chance that the 3.0 Ghz would come out at WWDC. Jobs comes out and says," I know that the G5's were just updated, but I am going to keep my promise and deliver the 3.0 Ghz G5.( and he goes to present it)." Then he go says," For the people ordering the dual 2.6 Ghz, if you want to we can take it back and give you the dual 3.0 Ghz for no extra cost." If that doesn't happen expect the 3.0+ Ghz G5 in September.

[Soire]

I do not know Steve Jobs personally, BUT if they release PowerMacs tommorow or any time before WWDC, then it would seem downright stupid and insulting to customers to then release or reveal faster machines a mere couple of weeks later.

Am I mistaken? I would feel genuinely insulted if I bought a new PM and then within a month it was revealed that there was a bigger boy on the block. No updates for a year and then two within a month? That would be so terribly, utterly wrong. Just my thoughts. ;)

[rareflares]

this makes perfect sense to me and is exactly what i expected.




I heard in another thread that IBM has only been able to make a chip with a 1.3 Ghz FSB, continuing the 50% proc. speed trend we've seen with the current lineup.


I say it's a good strategy to release simple proc. upgrades tomorrow and save the big announcements of G5 iMacs, Tiger, updates on IBM, iPod/iTunes/iLife updates, etc. for WWDC.

Of course the ITMS worldwide release next tuesday provides a steady stream of cool releases before the humongous ones hit our face on the 28th.

[agreenster]

I say it's a good strategy to release simple proc. upgrades tomorrow and save the big announcements of G5 iMacs, Tiger, updates on IBM, iPod/iTunes/iLife updates, etc. for WWDC.

Yep.

A month ago, I would have laughed in someones face if they said the G5's would be quad processors. But after seeing that pre-released instruction booklet art with the huge heatsink, I wouldnt be suprised.

Hey, I know Stevo promised 3ghz by end of summer, but I'll take a qual (or quad) 2.6

Talk about a renderbox.

[eric_n_dfw]

if this is true and there is no 3ghz announcment tomorrow or at wwdc, there will be many many pissed customers and stock holders who counted on steve's promise of 3ghz within a year. dont give me that "he has till sept 22" bs. he said 3 in a year and thats what i expect.If you're a stockholder in a tech company and this makes you mad - you should get out of the market!

I predict that if we get sub 3Ghz PowerMac's tomorrow, it will be accompanied by a press release talking about the IBM problems and saying somethink along the lines that now that they've been tackled, 3Ghz will take just a little longer.

Serious investors like Smith Barney, Shwab or Lynch are not prone to knee-jerk reactions. They care that the issue is being handled and that the long-erm ramifications are taken into account.

If the stock dips, it'll be because of all the small investors who bought 100 shares last year and now thinks the sky is falling because "Job's promissed him something."

[Applespider]

To be honest, I think Tiger is a more interesting topic than G5 upgrades. Whats the big deal about G5 upgrades. Computers get faster all the time. Its been happening for years, nothing new about it. However, Apple is currently including new and never before seen features in their new OS's. These features effect and change the way we use our computers on a daily basis. Very exciting stuff for me.

Agreed. 3.0 G5s are really only v exciting for those planning on buying one when they come out - that's probably a fairly small % of the mac community...

...whereas lovely new features in the OS that will improve most mac users' experience are a lot more exciting for the rest of us...

[coldspot]

I'm sure that SJ is going to show the 3.0 at this WWDC. If 3.0 is not ready yet, Steve is going to be embarassed when somebody at WWDC ask him about that model, because he promised the 3.0 Dual in the previous edition of WWDC. ;)

[James Craner]

There is only one chance that the 3.0 Ghz would come out at WWDC. Jobs comes out and says," I know that the G5's were just updated, but I am going to keep my promise and deliver the 3.0 Ghz G5.( and he goes to present it)." Then he go says," For the people ordering the dual 2.6 Ghz, if you want to we can take it back and give you the dual 3.0 Ghz for no extra cost." If that doesn't happen expect the 3.0+ Ghz G5 in September.

If the G5's are updated tomorrow up to Dual 2.6, then you are not going to see them reach 3 GHz at WWDC. As for Apple selling a machine, and then offering a free upgrade a month later ... No chance!

[brykken]

I was literally ready to purchase the dual 2.0 today until I saw the rumors. I've been a PC person, so at this point any mac is great for me! Do you guys think that the price the 2.0 is going for now will go down and a faster one will be released at the previous 2.0 price? Also, do you think they'll ship tommorrow?

[iriejedi]

I bought a $650 PC (HP PAvillion a520n) to do just that... play war craft III with everything on FULL/HIGH whatever... finished it last weekend! Worth finishing there is a surprise during the credits! (OK I wanted the DVD burner to back up gigs and gigs of digital photos.... so for $650 it was a great video game/dvd burner combo! - but I feel like I cheated on my true love Stevie Jobs by buying a PC - but hey watch the Springer show - Stevie J deserved it!)

Sorie, Your second rung purchase thoughts are the same for me! My only dissapointment is waiting 6 months with CASH in hand to save a few hundred bucks on a dual 2g tomorrow (assuming it is now second tier as TS article implied). I wanted new guts more then a speedier processor... so saddly IF there is only ONE new model and IF it is the 2.6G at the $3k price... sigh... Stevie you win... I'll buy it....the 2gig G5 should go to the referb/outdated page.... :D

I don't care if its a 2.6 or a 3.0, I am buying either way. I really hope Apple's midrange model is a good value like the 1.8 was. If 2.6 is the high then I will get the 2.4! If 3.0 is the high then whatever is the rung below I will buy that! Just please Apple put a good video card in it, I want to play warcraft 3 at max graphics!

[Laslo Panaflex]

If they have 2.6 now why in 12 more days have 3.0 come out.

Exactly, its not going to happen, if it's 2.6gig tomorrow, then Steve will definatly not mention 3gig powermacs unless to say by the end of the year, which he won't because all that will do is bring up the fact that he said 3gig this time next year.

But, it would be awsome to hear him say, I know I said 3gig, and I am sorry, but we don't have 3gig for you. Instead we have 3.4gig Quad Powermac G5 shipping in October with Tiger Pre-installed.

[dieselg4]

I'd have to say that any comments dismissing the gripes of the mac community over a lack of 3ghz machines are misguided. Yes I am certain the new machines will be excellent and continue to out perform their PC breatheren, but I am also certain of specific comments from the CEO of Apple Comp. stating that 3ghz would be here by WWDC. Those machines should be here now. Any belief otherwise is simply fanboyism gone arry. The priority for us as a community is to have technological dominance, thus drawing more users to the mac marketplace. 2.6 ghz is not dominance. The promised 3ghz is dominance.

Greg

Why is 3Ghz dominance?

[James Craner]

I do not know Steve Jobs personally, BUT if they release PowerMacs tommorow or any time before WWDC, then it would seem downright stupid and insulting to customers to then release or reveal faster machines a mere couple of weeks later.

Am I mistaken? I would feel genuinely insulted if I bought a new PM and then within a month it was revealed that there was a bigger boy on the block. No updates for a year and then two within a month? That would be so terribly, utterly wrong. Just my thoughts. ;)

I agree completely, unless there was a way to distinguish the two lines - 20th Anniversary 4 Processor Power Mac anyone ? :)

[iHack]

At first i thought 2.6 GHz tomorrow will mean no other speed bump at WWDC, as this must be to clear the way for other announcements (iMac G5 anyone?).

But after reading Think Secret again, I' m not so sure. It may be to add to the drama. Just think about it. Steve: "after introducing the 2.6 GHz two weeks ago everyone thought I was going to break my promise to you. But I'm making good on my promise. Today we introduce an insanely fast dual 3 GHz G5! By far the fastest personal computer on the planet."

So they will announce one (1) new model, the 2.6 GHZ, and put all others on sale to clear inventory? For what else than more new models? Or will we have a line-up of 1 (one!)?

And who said that the 2.8 and 3.0 models will be cheaper^H^H^H^H^H less expensive than the 2.6 GHZ?

come to think of it, judging by the size of a G5 case, I think Apple has a problem, making it both expansive and expensive.

[QCassidy352]

any word on whether the displays will be coming with the powermacs?? Please please please!!!!!!!

[AppleJustWorks]

any word on whether the displays will be coming with the powermacs?? Please please please!!!!!!!


exactly!! If displays are not updated and pms are i can't buy!!!!!!

[DGFan]

2.4 Single- Available Today- $1,699
2.6 Dual- Available today- $2,499
2.8 Dual- Available July- $2,999
3.0 Dual Available September- $3,499

Did you actually read the article?

Why would they sell a Dual 2.6 at that price if that's also the price they are selling the Dual 2.0 at?

[pjkelnhofer]

I think a lot of people are missing the point to this. If the PowerMac G5 is updated tomorrow to 2.6GHz, then there will be no PowerMac announcement at WWDC. At the very most, Steve may say we are still looking at 3 GHz by the end of this year (I doubt this would really canabilize sales as they would be expected to update again in six months anyhow not once per year).

The only thing in the ThinkSecret story that makes no sense to me is the discounted prices of the Rev. A PowerMac G5's. If the whole like is upgraded (2.2, 2.4, 2.6GHz) and the price points stay the same (or at the most go up slightly), then the old Dual 2 GHz will cost more than whatever the new bottom model is (would you pay $2500 for a Rev. A, Dual 2 GHz, or somewhere between $1800-$2300 for a Rev. B, Dual 2.2 Ghz).

I guess will we know tomorrow. I will be checking Apple.com early and often.

[Freg3000]

The only thing in the ThinkSecret story that makes no sense to me is the discounted prices of the Rev. A PowerMac G5's. If the whole like is upgraded (2.2, 2.4, 2.6GHz) and the price points stay the same (or at the most go up slightly), then the old Dual 2 GHz will cost more than whatever the new bottom model is (would you pay $2500 for a Rev. A, Dual 2 GHz, or somewhere between $1800-$2300 for a Rev. B, Dual 2.2 Ghz).

I guess will we know tomorrow. I will be checking Apple.com early and often.

Ram slots and PCI-X? They might still leave those off the entry level, making the Dual 2.0 more valuable in that respect.

[yoman]

...The only thing in the ThinkSecret story that makes no sense to me is the discounted prices of the Rev. A PowerMac G5's. If the whole like is upgraded (2.2, 2.4, 2.6GHz) and the price points stay the same (or at the most go up slightly), then the old Dual 2 GHz will cost more than whatever the new bottom model is (would you pay $2500 for a Rev. A, Dual 2 GHz, or somewhere between $1800-$2300 for a Rev. B, Dual 2.2 Ghz).

I guess will we know tomorrow. I will be checking Apple.com early and often.

maybe the 2.2 won't be dual but a single. So 2500 for a dual 2.0 or 1800-2300 for a single 2.2? makes it more interesting to decide?

[dongmin]

At first i thought 2.6 GHz tomorrow will mean no other speed bump at WWDC, as this must be to clear the way for other announcements (iMac G5 anyone?).

But after reading Think Secret again, I' m not so sure. It may be to add to the drama. Just think about it. Steve: "after introducing the 2.6 GHz two weeks ago everyone thought I was going to break my promise to you. But I'm making good on my promise. Today we introduce an insanely fast dual 3 GHz G5! By far the fastest personal computer on the planet."

So they will announce one (1) new model, the 2.6 GHZ, and put all others on sale to clear inventory? For what else than more new models? Or will we have a line-up of 1 (one!)?

And who said that the 2.8 and 3.0 models will be cheaper^H^H^H^H^H less expensive than the 2.6 GHZ?

come to think of it, judging by the size of a G5 case, I think Apple has a problem, making it both expansive and expensive.

I'm sorry, but you guys completely irrational. If Apple releases 2.6 ghz tomorrow, there is no way in hell that they will do ANOTHER revision 12 days later. That is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Apple has NEVER broken up its releases like that. Why won't Apple simply wait 12 days and announce everything together?

Anyways, this talk of 3.0 ghz at WWDC is moot. Steve Jobs modified his original promise and said 3.0 ghz by the end of the summer. WWDC is NOT the end of the summer. Mid-September is. If Apple releases 2.6 ghz tomorrow, it gives Apple three months to do another revision. Steve WILL keep his promise. (Isn't he obligated by law to not make such public claims?)

[NusuniAdmin]

Cool.... If they do come out tomorrow screw getting an emac, ill pick up one of these :D

[Village Idiot]

There is a lot of talk about the speed increases, but has anyone heard if there will be an update such as a superdrive that burns dual layered DVDs, like the LaCie one that is out? I thought that might be a logical option considering how Apple are positioning themselves as top quality, high end video solutions.

[Flyers486]

Why is 3Ghz dominance?

3ghz is dominance because Apple would return to clockspeed parity with intel and, at the same time, have "real speeds" faster than any other chip on the market. This should be Apple's desktop priority as the majority of the marketplace (outside AMD and Apple fans) still believes clockspeed is "real speed". Those are the users Apple needs to gain market share. Expansion should be Apple's priority.

[paulypants]

if this is true and there is no 3ghz announcment tomorrow or at wwdc, there will be many many pissed customers and stock holders who counted on steve's promise of 3ghz within a year. dont give me that "he has till sept 22" bs. he said 3 in a year and thats what i expect.

aaaaaawwww...

[pjkelnhofer]

Ram slots and PCI-X? They might still leave those off the entry level, making the Dual 2.0 more valuable in that respect.
maybe the 2.2 won't be dual but a single. So 2500 for a dual 2.0 or 1800-2300 for a single 2.2? makes it more interesting to decide?

But so far everything has pointed to the entire line going Dual and using the same mobo. To me that would mean same RAM and PCI-X as well.

Of course, those rumors may not be true.

[mklos]

True. I can very easily see him saying that. But then we can only take his promises with a grain of salt next time. :(

I don't see what everyone's problem is with this stupid promise! Thats all everyone talks about is how Steve made this promise! Well technically it wasn't actually Steve Jobs that made the promise, it was a combination of Apple and IBM. Steve Jobs isn't a computer god! He can't just wave his hands over the G5 processor and whoosh...now were at 3 GHz. When he announced that Apple and IBM would be at 3 GHz within 1 year things were probably really going well with the development of the next generation G5 processor and maybe something went wrong. Apple can't control that. People are just going to have to be happy with what Apple brings to the table. If they can't be happy then go to www.dell.com and get a POS $499 2.6 GHz P4 computer. Then you'll have a whole bunch of things to bitch about. People are making the biggest deal out of something that nobody can control. If were not at 3 GHz on June 29th, then who gives a *****! When Apple gets there they get there.

[xtekdiver]

What about the monitors? I need one bad. I'm lugging my 20" cinema back and forth from work. :(

Would it make sense to wait to update the monitors?

[Duff-Man]

What about the monitors? I need one bad. I'm lugging my 20" cinema back and forth from work. :(

Would it make sense to wait to update the monitors?Duff-Man says....AppleInsider has updated their story and says new monitors are possible this week too....oh yeah!

[PRØBE]

Hopefully we will see Dual 3GHZ by WWDC. I think we will. ;)







erm...unlikely if they update to 2.6 tomorrow. Lol imagine if they did what you suggest and update AGAIN to 3ghz just a week later. hmm.


Sillyness aside, what an exciting week this is going to be! (and already has been). I haven't got enough cash saved up yet to upgrade so I guess the 3ghz will be on the streets by the time i do. 350ghz G4 sawtooth with 16 vram to a dual 3ghz G5. That will be one sweet speed jump. Love the new music streaming wifi gadget.

[ffakr]

Why is 3Ghz dominance?

Because, the PPC 970 performs more efficiently than the P4, as does the Athlon64. The Athlon 64 performs anywhere from slower to faster than the G5 at the same clock.. depends on the benchmark. The PPC 970 can do more work per clock cycle, but it has a longer pipe and it doesn't have the on die [low latency] memory controller like the Athlon 64 does.

I'm guessing the point is.. the Athlon is at 2.4 GHz now and it keeps up with the 3.4 GHz P4s.. sometimes faster, sometimes slower.

A 2.6 GHz PPC 970 would compare favorably with the current Athlons and P4s but it wouldn't dominate them. You'd still find plenty of benchmarks where either platform could beat the mac (as you'd find plenty were the mac beat the PCs). A 3 GHz PPC 970, however, would likely be so fast that it would dominate the competition for a while at least. :-)

side topic... half the problem with us vs. them is that they've got better compilers. Until we see widespread use of IBM's xlc/xlf compilers, we won't see the full potential of the G5. My colleague's code runs about 30% faster with IBM's compilers vs. gcc.
I expect that Apple will recompile a lot of the core of Tiger with IBM's tools and well see a good speed up for many parts of the OS.

[Hattig]

Personally, I'm happy with a 30% boost in one year.. it'd be better than Intel or AMD has managed..

AMD: Last June: 1.8GHz Opteron (x44) to This June: 2.4GHz Opteron (x50)
33.3% clock speed increase

2.6GHz G5 will be more than adequately powerful though. It might not be 3GHz, but 90nm has been a thorn for all the semiconductor companies.

[cr2sh]

I don't care what apple does with the Powermac line.. as long as we're getting displays to match 'em!

[PRØBE]

Eh.. I'm thinking 3 GHz at WWDC.








Don't you just love people who post without even reading what the thread's about?

[King Cobra]

Did you actually read the article?

Why would they sell a Dual 2.6 at that price if that's also the price they are selling the Dual 2.0 at?

I don't think "you" (singular) is alone...

There must be a trend among newbies (charges up)...most of them read the title of the thread, graze through the article for only keywords, such as "G5" and "GHz," especially ones that are relevant to only the article title, post a half-assed (or completely-assed) opinion, then respond to someone's comment on the opinion, saying that they actually "read" the article.

So to whom it concerns, "you" (plural) might want to [re]read: The source said that the company's plans call for an announcement of the long-awaited G5 refresh tomorrow, on Tuesday, June 8, but stressed that announcement dates for speed bumps can be subject to change.

That means that it is wrong to conclude "We'll have 2.6GHz updated on that day and absolutely no other."

Now, watch...eventually there will be at least one newb that browses through my post, quotes it, posts some half-assed comment, and claims to have "read" my post regardless of how I show otherwise. Must be part of that all-important "I want my avatar, so let me have my say" trend.


So, with relevance to the article...2.6GHz? Even if announced at WWDC, Steve did say within 12 months (http://andrej.gadgetgaming.com/images/mr/proof.mov). I'll be patient up to the day of WWDC 2004 (even though I'll have to miss it for class), because of one thing: Steve's reputation is on the line.

[Mac|caM]

3ghz is dominance because Apple would return to clockspeed parity with intel and, at the same time, have "real speeds" faster than any other chip on the market. This should be Apple's desktop priority as the majority of the marketplace (outside AMD and Apple fans) still believes clockspeed is "real speed". Those are the users Apple needs to gain market share. Expansion should be Apple's priority.

Um, Intel announced a little while ago that they wouldn't advertise clock speed anymore, because it isn't the true measure of speed. They're going with this crazy number system (3xx, 5xx, and 7xx) to measure their computers, based on processor type, mobility (Centrino vs. Pentium), clock speed, etc.

[Stella]

Updated PM, Airtunes etc... what will be left for WWDC - iMac G5 and tiger... there must be more, normally is, isn't there?

Could it be.... G5 PB?

[yoman]

erm...unlikely if they update to 2.6 tomorrow. Lol imagine if they did what you suggest and update AGAIN to 3ghz just a week later. hmm.


Sillyness aside, what an exciting week this is going to be! (and already has been). I haven't got enough cash saved up yet to upgrade so I guess the 3ghz will be on the streets by the time i do. 350ghz G4 sawtooth with 16 vram to a dual 3ghz G5. That will be one sweet speed jump. Love the new music streaming wifi gadget.

I think you mean a speed drop. 350GHz G4 Sawtooth is quite a machine. Forget the dual 3Ghz G5. Sorry couldn't resist :D

[NusuniAdmin]

...just imagen in a few years.....at wwdc 2008 (i picked a random year)....steve jobs up on stage with his turtle neck and really out of fasion tight jeans.....and he says "there is one more thing....you may have seen on the net some amazing specs for our G5...well they are false and true. Today we are introducing the worlds most powerful personal computer at speeds of up to 7 ghz. This processor is no longer 64 bit, but we've gona all out to 128 bit. We and IBM have been working very closely for this processor and we think it will make one heck of a machine, lets look at our fake errr real specs tests against the pentium frank processor. Remember we are using a 7 ghz G6 and they are using a 10 ghz frank processor."....

just my thoughts on the future

[mvc]

Updated PM, Airtunes etc... what will be left for WWDC - iMac G5 and tiger... there must be more, normally is, isn't there?

Could it be.... G5 PB?

You just had to, didn't you. And... there are two d's in Goddess. :p

[PRØBE]

I'm thinking they might release the new G5s before WWDC (possible announce the 3Ghz @ WWDC), just to pave the way for the iMac G5









Lol this is becoming an epidemic!


I can't wait to find out what chip they are using for the 2.6. Probably the 90nm though I thought they were still having supply issues on those. (based on X-serve shipping times)

[triton]

I'm sorry, but you guys completely irrational. If Apple releases 2.6 ghz tomorrow, there is no way in hell that they will do ANOTHER revision 12 days later. That is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Apple has NEVER broken up its releases like that. Why won't Apple simply wait 12 days and announce everything together?

Anyways, this talk of 3.0 ghz at WWDC is moot. Steve Jobs modified his original promise and said 3.0 ghz by the end of the summer. WWDC is NOT the end of the summer. Mid-September is. If Apple releases 2.6 ghz tomorrow, it gives Apple three months to do another revision. Steve WILL keep his promise. (Isn't he obligated by law to not make such public claims?)


Be patient young grasshoppa ;) *I must keep saying this to myself or I will go nuts waiting for the dual ghz. *

[MacinDoc]

The latest ThinkSecret article, if true, offers mixed news. If Apple is still selling all 3 current models at the prices listed, then the new models will be at higher price points.

Dual 1.8 $2199
Dual 2.0 $2499
Dual 2.2 $2799
Dual 2.4 $3099
Dual 2.6 $3399 (or even $3499)

If Apple was to subsequently (at MacWorld Paris, as some have suggested) introduce a dual 3.0 model, it would likely have to be priced at $4499. I'm no expert on this, but I think this puts it well into the workstation price range.

[PRØBE]

I think you mean a speed drop. 350GHz G4 Sawtooth is quite a machine. Forget the dual 3Ghz G5. Sorry couldn't resist :D







Lol, silly me.
A 350 ghz g4 would indeed be one hell of a machine. Shall I be first to start off the "I want a 350ghz G4 powerbook" posts?

[Flowbee]

Another face-saving scenario...

Apple releases a 3.2Ghz G5 in September and then says: "See, we made the 3.0 target when we said we would, we just didn't release a new machine at that time." :D

[MilesAhead]

Man, I sure do get tired of these whiny "But Steve promised!" posts about the 3GHz machines. Folks, Steve does not make computer chips. His company does not make computer chips. IBM makes them. Steve can cajole, beg, plead, or threaten IBM as much as he likes but the fact remains, that all promises aside, Apple can't make a 3GHz PowerMac until IBM makes a 3GHz chip. It's that simple. I'm sure Steve made his now-infamous promise based on what was AT THE TIME good information about future chip yields and development, but for whatever reason, Big Blue is not where they expected to be now.

There seem to be 3 kinds of people here:
1) Conspiracy theorists who think Apple has been hiding the 3ers in the warehouse behind the crates of everlasting light bulbs and perpetual motion machines,
2) Wishful thinkers who believe that if Steve said it would be so, it will be so. I sure hope their parents never had problems finding the right toys for Christmas, and
3) A relatively smaller and certainly quieter bunch of pragmatists who realize that although Apple wants 3 gig chips and IBM would love to sell them, they aren't ready yet.

It is beyond silly to go poring over the "promise" speech looking for hidden nuances of when to expect these machines. Folks, they will come when the chips are ready, and not a second before.

[LaMerVipere]

Well Apple Insider has now joined the fray...

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=492

Yay, I can't wait. :)

[iJed]

Well assuming this is true (which I believe it is) and these machines have PCI-Express then I'll be ordering my G5 tomorrow! :D

[rareflares]

Ok, assuming the 2.6's get announced tomorrow, i believe WWDC will have the following

1.)iMac G5 15"-20"- 1.6-2.0 Ghz single G5's with FSB at 33% of the proc. speed (Apple loves to cripple the iMac :p), 120 GB HD, 256-512 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 9600 and COMPLETE redesign for the G5. Heat in the current form factor would be a problem so i expect this to be a major portion of the announcement.

These specs are based purely on if they intend to keep the iMac in the current price bracket. These would be VERY competitive IMO to similar PCs (or at least a big improvement over the current iMacs).

2.) Tiger - Steve Jobs demos 10.4
3.) Displays - new design, new models, etc. etc. etc.
4.) iPod - models are 20, 40, 60 GB. i'm hoping the fabled features of color video/picture capabilities will come up, but i'm not expecting anything.
5.) Any other updates for iLife, SDK's, and other developer stuff
6.) ??

but of course, as all of you will soon point out, i know absolutely nothing .... :rolleyes:

[sushi]

3.0's won't be here until it's closer to 2005.
Well yeah. Everyday we get closer to 1 Jan 2005.

And your point is?

Sushi

[ethernet76]

Man, I sure do get tired of these whiny "But Steve promised!" posts about the 3GHz machines. Folks, Steve does not make computer chips. His company does not make computer chips. IBM makes them. Steve can cajole, beg, plead, or threaten IBM as much as he likes but the fact remains, that all promises aside, Apple can't make a 3GHz PowerMac until IBM makes a 3GHz chip. It's that simple. I'm sure Steve made his now-infamous promise based on what was AT THE TIME good information about future chip yields and development, but for whatever reason, Big Blue is not where they expected to be now.

There seem to be 3 kinds of people here:
1) Conspiracy theorists who think Apple has been hiding the 3ers in the warehouse behind the crates of everlasting light bulbs and perpetual motion machines,
2) Wishful thinkers who believe that if Steve said it would be so, it will be so. I sure hope their parents never had problems finding the right toys for Christmas, and
3) A relatively smaller and certainly quieter bunch of pragmatists who realize that although Apple wants 3 gig chips and IBM would love to sell them, they aren't ready yet.

It is beyond silly to go poring over the "promise" speech looking for hidden nuances of when to expect these machines. Folks, they will come when the chips are ready, and not a second before.

I'm in number 3. All I have to say to the people that predicted the 3ghz and all that other jazz, "Haha, you were wrong"

it seems this website is short on realist today.

[ITR 81]

Another face-saving scenario...

Apple releases a 3.2Ghz G5 in September and then says: "See, we made the 3.0 target when we said we would, we just didn't release a new machine at that time." :D

Correct. I predict late Aug or early Sept. for 3Ghz+.

My issue is:
In two weeks I'm buying a G5 2Ghz:

will it be reduced in price or will I get a chance to buy a new G5 2.6?

I can only hope for new LCD's. We need one 23"+ and one 17-19" display.

I'll be buying a new 3Ghz and 23"+ LCD around X-mas.

[QCassidy352]

I don't see what everyone's problem is with this stupid promise! Thats all everyone talks about is how Steve made this promise! Well technically it wasn't actually Steve Jobs that made the promise, it was a combination of Apple and IBM. Steve Jobs isn't a computer god! He can't just wave his hands over the G5 processor and whoosh...now were at 3 GHz. When he announced that Apple and IBM would be at 3 GHz within 1 year things were probably really going well with the development of the next generation G5 processor and maybe something went wrong. Apple can't control that. People are just going to have to be happy with what Apple brings to the table. If they can't be happy then go to www.dell.com and get a POS $499 2.6 GHz P4 computer. Then you'll have a whole bunch of things to bitch about. People are making the biggest deal out of something that nobody can control. If were not at 3 GHz on June 29th, then who gives a *****! When Apple gets there they get there.

the voice of reason! Thank you!

Steve Jobs can't control IBM's unexpected production problems. A dual 2.6 Ghz G5 will be BLAZING fast; enjoy it.

[windowsblowsass]

i dont know if this makes sense but what if the top of the line g5 proccessor is 2.6 do you think that apple will possibly try an over clock to 2.8 they didi it with 1.8 to 2.0

[PRØBE]

I'd have to say that any comments dismissing the gripes of the mac community over a lack of 3ghz machines are misguided. Yes I am certain the new machines will be excellent and continue to out perform their PC breatheren, but I am also certain of specific comments from the CEO of Apple Comp. stating that 3ghz would be here by WWDC. Those machines should be here now. Any belief otherwise is simply fanboyism gone arry. The priority for us as a community is to have technological dominance, thus drawing more users to the mac marketplace. 2.6 ghz is not dominance. The promised 3ghz is dominance.

Greg





I can see a whole lot of people sticking out their bottom lips and sulking if there's no magic 3ghz. GROW UP people. I don't recall Steve Jobs ever saying "I promise you all IBM will hit 3ghz in 12 months". He merely made a prediction based on the information he had available at that time. It's childish to hold him personally responsible if the 3ghz is later coming than predicted.
I'm sure he and all those around him, IBM included, thought that
the 3ghz line would have been quicker coming. If you have beening keeping track of all the yield troubles IBM have been having plus the Apple heat sensor rumor, you may understand why. there have been delays and an update possibly cancelled earlier this year. The 3ghz still might be ready by september or at least announced then so relax a little.

[blakespot]

Hopefully we will see Dual 3GHZ by WWDC. I think we will. ;)


You're not going to see 2.6GHz units released and then a re-ordering of the line with 3GHz top-end units 20 days later...



blakespot

[pjkelnhofer]

Um, Intel announced a little while ago that they wouldn't advertise clock speed anymore, because it isn't the true measure of speed. They're going with this crazy number system (3xx, 5xx, and 7xx) to measure their computers, based on processor type, mobility (Centrino vs. Pentium), clock speed, etc.

This has been AMD's practice for sometime, but you can still always find out the clockspeed of a system.

There really is no truly objective way for rating chips with different architectures. Each chip will always have strenghs and weaknesses. I believe that the G5 especially at 2.6 GHz, is right on par (possibly ahead for a lot things) with what AMD and Intel are making.

To me it is the OS, the software and the design that have always set Mac apart. So long as they keep leading the way in those categories it will mean very little to me if some one else chips are 10% better in raw MHz or faster in a Cinebench test.

[sushi]

Agreed. I'd be satisfied with a Dual 3GHz in time for MWSF in January 2005. A Dual 2.6GHz at the high end is rather impressive for now. Lord knows that Intel sure hasn't had a 30% performance increase over the past year like this would be for Apple/IBM...
When you think about it, a projection of a 50% speed increase within one year was pretty darned agreesive.

To make a 30% increase is still outstanding for sure!

A dual 2.6 would sure be a nice machine! :D

Sushi

[LaMerVipere]

I wonder if the headlines when Apple does refresh the Power Mac line, for a site like cnet news (http://news.com.com) for instance will read:

Apple Releases Updated Power Mac G5s

or

Apple Releases Updated Power Mac G5s; Fails To Reach 3GHz

Because I was reading an article from there a few days ago, I think in reference to the supposed images of a yet unreleased G5 from the service manual, and they ended it by saying "...Steve Jobs promised that the PM line would hit 3GHz within a year." I hope he doesn't think the press is going to forget about his "Within 12 Months" statement.

[applekid]

Now to convince my parents to buy me at least one new Apple product for my sixteenth birthday this month... :cool:

Tomorrow sounds exciting. I like these stealth updates. The rumor mills are busy working to the last minute, and then Apple slaps us with great surprises. It's great for business and us.

[DaBossOfMe]

Steve: "We just opened the European iTunes store last week. One million downloads, not bad. The interesting thing about iTunes is that it runs on Windows and OSX. By the way, most of iTunes is code from our Safari browser. And we were tinkering around..."

(stops, reaches over and pulls black veil off of a non-descript PC)

"Did I mention that we've ported Safari to Windows? Here it is."

(Hoots and hisses in the audience).

So why not? The competition has said that they're not going to update their browser for three years. Come to think of it. Windows isn't going to see a new upgrade for 3 years either. Hmmm.

(Steve reboots)

"I think we should give our friends with Intel processors an upgrade a little sooner. This is the beta OSX Tiger for Intel processors. It runs all Apple software and it'll ship in January 2005" http://forums.macrumors.com/newreply.php#

Shock and awe... Buy your Apple stock now.

[Frobozz]

Hopefully we will see Dual 3GHZ by WWDC. I think we will. ;)

Yes, I have a feeling that Apple may release a dual 2, dual 2.3 and 2.6 (for example) tomorrow, then the 3.0 GHz announcement at WWDC.

[quagmire]

I think apple will stick with IBM for a while. Even with those problems back in november, has intel and AMD made a 30% increase in performance recently. Have they ever made a 30% increase? With a year pass how much did performance gain did we get with Moto? IBM is holding a bright future for apple and IBM's processor indrustry. We could make Gates look bad if the rumors are true about the Xbox2 using the PPC 975. The press will be saying," Why did you choose a chip that your competion uses in their G5 computers?" Back on topic, 2.6 Ghz would be impressive. At the rate IBM is moving, we could surpass intel on clockspeed and reach longhorns requirement before intel does( I am not implenting that MS would switch to IBM). For the number thing, I would fall under number 3. I would not be mad at Jobs because it wasn't apple's or IBM's fault. The chip had its problems. We could be waiting intill september if apple stuck with Moto so be happy what you got.

[clr900]

I think a lot of people are missing the point to this. If the PowerMac G5 is updated tomorrow to 2.6GHz, then there will be no PowerMac announcement at WWDC. At the very most, Steve may say we are still looking at 3 GHz by the end of this year (I doubt this would really canabilize sales as they would be expected to update again in six months anyhow not once per year).

The only thing in the ThinkSecret story that makes no sense to me is the discounted prices of the Rev. A PowerMac G5's. If the whole like is upgraded (2.2, 2.4, 2.6GHz) and the price points stay the same (or at the most go up slightly), then the old Dual 2 GHz will cost more than whatever the new bottom model is (would you pay $2500 for a Rev. A, Dual 2 GHz, or somewhere between $1800-$2300 for a Rev. B, Dual 2.2 Ghz).

I guess will we know tomorrow. I will be checking Apple.com early and often.
These were my thoughts exactly and frankly they are very troubling. The prices for the old models either will be much lower than reported in the article, or they are correct and the prices for the new models are going to be much higher than the current price points. I don't see a way that Apple can sell the old 1.6ghz's for 1600 dollars when they are offering a new lowest model for 1800$ which is over dual 2ghz unless they actually don't have any new speeds besides the 2.6s. Needless to say that would be very disappointing, even if dual 1.8 is their lowest model at 1800 who would buy a 1.6 for 200 dollars less, it just doesn't make sense. Oh well, we will just have to wait and see what Apple does before I decide how much money they are going to get from me.

[CybrCyfr]

If all this talk about new PMs holds true, and maybe new displays, will Apple also be discounting the displays? If so, does this promo (http://www.apple.com/promo/brilliantsavings/) apply? One could get a great deal on a DP 2.0 PM and a 23" display...

[LaMerVipere]

If all this talk about new PMs holds true, and maybe new displays, will Apple also be discounting the displays? If so, does this promo (http://www.apple.com/promo/brilliantsavings/) apply? One could get a great deal on a DP 2.0 PM and a 23" display...

Darn I forgot all about that, why would Apple let this promo keep going after announcing updated Power Macs and, dare I say it, displays? :confused:

[windowsblowsass]

any one else read that unconfirmed quad line at the bottom
sweet asss

[rdowns]

If all this talk about new PMs holds true, and maybe new displays, will Apple also be discounting the displays? If so, does this promo (http://www.apple.com/promo/brilliantsavings/) apply? One could get a great deal on a DP 2.0 PM and a 23" display...

Nope. The promo is for any G5 PM but specifically mentions the model # for the 23" CD.

QUALIFYING PRODUCTS: All Apple Power Mac G5 computers; Apple display:M8537ZM/A 23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display

[rareflares]

and don't forget..


Apple reserves the right to terminate any promotion at any time for any reason.


:)

[bathysphere]

I can see a whole lot of people sticking out their bottom lips and sulking if there's no magic 3ghz. GROW UP people. I don't recall Steve Jobs ever saying "I promise you all IBM will hit 3ghz in 12 months". He merely made a prediction based on the information he had available at that time. It's childish to hold him personally responsible if the 3ghz is later coming than predicted.
I'm sure he and all those around him, IBM included, thought that
the 3ghz line would have been quicker coming. If you have beening keeping track of all the yield troubles IBM have been having plus the Apple heat sensor rumor, you may understand why. there have been delays and an update possibly cancelled earlier this year. The 3ghz still might be ready by september or at least announced then so relax a little.

there was no prediction made, it was a statement made as a fact, that apple will reach 3 ghz by next year (the end of this month or so for announcement, shipment by end of summer i guess). if they don't reach 3ghz, it was awfully reckless of him to make that statement, because they surely knew that they would be using a 90nm chip, which ibm hadn't done before, and there would likely be some problem solving to be done. granted delays were probably a bit more severe than they anticipated, but they should have been anticipated. shame on them if they don't make it.

[adamjay]

the sooner the better for me, i'll definitely buy a dual G5 this summer, and i'd like to buy refurbished ala $1399 for dual 2GHz or 2.2GHz, yea thats thinking ahead but i'm a cheap-ass

[sblasl]

I think Apple has probably learned a very expensive lesson with this
"3GHz in a year" nonsense.

They will no longer make false or inaccurate statements as ridiculous as this and they will no longer fall into the trap where the consumer has expectations that new hardware releases will be tied to a Expo, Show, or Conference.

If the consumer has any expectation that a 3GHz system is in the near future, once again they will climb on the fence and play the wait game. Apple can not afford for this to happen. I think you will see the speed bump tomorrow and that is it for the balance of the year. Forget what Jobs said, it ain't gonna happen. If you need a new machine then buy the fastest machine that is available and that you can afford.

If you are holding out for a 3GHz machine, it is not because you need the computing power, it is because you just want to have bragging rights.

And the WWDC is not a hardware show, it is a software developers conference, so don't be disappointed if the only thing that comes out of it that gets you all excited & tingly is a peak at OS 10.4 (Tiger).

I'm done...

[applecrag]

what i cant understand is that apple would release an update for their 'pro' line tommorow and wait for an update for the g5 imac at a developers convention when the imac is a consumer machine. developers would be more interested in a pro machine than a consumer machine at wwdc.

or whatever...i dont know anything about wwdc. all i know is that macs are the best there is.

[.a]

okay ... i would buy the dual 2.6 ghz ... though do not be dissappointed when we only see 2.4 ghz ... would i buy one too? i think so! even @ dual 2.4 ghz this machine will scream! have you ever had a look at the motion-real-time stuff ? http://www.apple.com/motion/quicktour/effects.html
pretty impressive on a dual 2.0 ghz :)
the apple fever is on and it's gettin' hotter and hotter ...
.a

[pjkelnhofer]

I wonder if the headlines when Apple does refresh the Power Mac line, for a site like cnet news (http://news.com.com) for instance will read:

Apple Releases Updated Power Mac G5s

or

Apple Releases Updated Power Mac G5s; Fails To Reach 3GHz

Because I was reading an article from there a few days ago, I think in reference to the supposed images of a yet unreleased G5 from the service manual, and they ended it by saying "...Steve Jobs promised that the PM line would hit 3GHz within a year." I hope he doesn't think the press is going to forget about his "Within 12 Months" statement.

Does anyone have the direct quote of what Steve said? I feel like he did say use the words "promise" or "guarantee". I seem to remember it being much more vague than that.

[rdowns]

what i cant understand is that apple would release an update for their 'pro' line tommorow and wait for an update for the g5 imac at a developers convention when the imac is a consumer machine. developers would be more interested in a pro machine than a consumer machine at wwdc.

WWDC is a DEVELOPER'S conference. Developer's write software for the Mac platform. Expanding the Mac platform (G5) is what developers want to hear. Maybe we'll finally get some software to exploit the G5 which is now a paper tiger.

[pjkelnhofer]

And the WWDC is not a hardware show, it is a software developers conference, so don't be disappointed if the only thing that comes out of it that gets you all excited & tingly is a peak at OS 10.4 (Tiger).


And developer's don't use or need hardware? These are the machines that the developer's are developing for so it makes perfect sense to make the announcement at WWDC. Why would they have announced the original G5 PowerMac at last year's conference if the developers don't care about new hardware?

[NusuniAdmin]

i wonder which will be longer, the powermac g5 rev 2 release forum or the powerbook g5 release forum....Wunder if either will beat the Drunk Thread's record

[capdesign]

Am I the only fool waiting for updates so I can buy dual 1.8s at a reduced price?

Honestly, I haven't had to wait for my computer for years... I design much slower than my g4 533 processes.

So... the question is... if Thinksecret's price scale is right, am I better off buying 3 dual 1.8s or 3 dual 2.0s?

I've seen mixed reports about the speed and reliability of the two.

Any advice would be welcomed. :)

[pjkelnhofer]

WWDC is a DEVELOPER'S conference. Developer's write software for the Mac platform. Expanding the Mac platform (G5) is what developers want to hear. Maybe we'll finally get some software to exploit the G5 which is now a paper tiger.


Thank you! I have been trying to say this throughout the thread. The more computers that have G5 the more programs will be written/optimized for it.

If Apple announced that the G4 was being taken out of the entire line-up, the developers of Mac software would all have to start seriously churning out G5 code. (This is not going to happen I am just trying to make a point that it does make sense to announce new hardware at this conference).

[xy14]

I dont care if the 3Ghz G5s come out in June, as long as they come out by the end of Summer. I just can't imagine the day where Macs will have faster clock speeds than a PC. The PC users won't have anything to make fun of us except for compatibility (VIRTUAL PC!). Maybe then people will start getting Macs and then when Microsucks goes out of business, Apple will rule the computer industry. But I do admit that people should think about this. The PowerMacs will have gone from 1.42Ghz(G4) to 2Ghz(G5) to 2.6Ghz(G5) to 3Ghz(G5) in less than 2 years. That's a great accomplishment. Thats more than twice as fast in two years. Even if we don't get a 3Ghz by August/September, there has never been a time where in 2 years Apple has gone up over 1Ghz (BTW the minimum speed is now 1Ghz also). Don't act like Apple sucks just because they don't have 400Mhz in extra uneeded speed.

[applecrag]

i just cant wait to see how these run virtual pc :)

[pjkelnhofer]

i just cant wait to see how these run virtual pc :)

There is no version of Virtual PC that runs on a G5.

[Flowbee]

what i cant understand is that apple would release an update for their 'pro' line tommorow and wait for an update for the g5 imac at a developers convention when the imac is a consumer machine. developers would be more interested in a pro machine than a consumer machine at wwdc.

Well, considering most developers develop software for 'consumers,' I think it makes perfect sense.

[eric_n_dfw]

i just cant wait to see how these run virtual pc :)They won't.

(Not at least until MicroSoft releases the delayed version that runs on the G5)

[NAG]

The only thing that would stop me from getting a 2.6 G5 would be if it has basically the same guts as the current G5.

I am wondering if we get new displays too.

[georgemasters]

I do believe we are going to see dual 2.6 machines tomorrow and no way in hell 3.0 machines at WWDC unless it's in a machine designed for a different audience (not likely). Namely because people who buy one tomorrow (including me) would have a fit if this happened. We may see 3.0 updates in 3 months, but I'm not counting on that either. I'm currently reading Apple Confidential 2.0 - Steve has made many promises over the years (including overly optimistic unit sales predictions). Many which didn't even come close to being true. I think he was just trying to emphasize the scalability of the new architecture.

But why rev. b G5's & air-tunes express (very cool) right now and not at WWDC? Perhaps partly to diffuse WWDC disappointment at not hitting 3 Ghz. Also, certainly the focus will be on Tiger and maybe a G5 iMac, but I agree that that's not all that exciting to the WWDC crowd. So I think there will be something else, but what - I have no idea. All very exciting!

-GM
gomotron.com

[rdowns]

Does anyone have the direct quote of what Steve said? I feel like he did say use the words "promise" or "guarantee". I seem to remember it being much more vague than that.

Jobs took the stage and said, "What about the future? We're at 2 GHz today. IBM and Apple are today announcing that within 12 months, we'll be at 3GHz." Verbatim quote.

See the keynote here:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc03/

Sorry, don't remember where Steve says it.

[sblasl]

[QUOTE=NAG]The only thing that would stop me from getting a 2.6 G5 would be if it has basically the same guts as the current G5.

Your going to be disappointed. These are speed bump units...

[eric_n_dfw]

Does anyone have the direct quote of what Steve said? I feel like he did say use the words "promise" or "guarantee". I seem to remember it being much more vague than that.
Transcribing from the earlier post's link to a quicktime movie:
What about the future?
We're at 2 GHz today, IBM and Apple are today announcing, that within 12 months we'll be at 3 GHz.
3 GHz processor clock, that's up 50%, within 12 months.


[edit - added]
I don't think an "announcement" qualifies as binding in a court of law so to to the guy/gal earlier that asked if it was legal - um, no. I doubt it. I'm no lawyer, but I presume that if anyone even tried to sue them they would have to prove that Apple and/or IBM never intended to be able to do it.

Now, if 12 months from the shipping date of the 2GHz machines goes by without the 3GHz upate and Apple doesn't even say anything then they deserve to be roasted by the media. But I would think a simple, "Oops - we had some unforseen roadblocks. We'll be there a bit later than we planned", type of comment would suffice.

[xy14]

I hope no one gets angry about there being no iMac G5s considering no one said there was going to be any.

[sfwalter]

I just looked at MacMall's website and their free ram upgrade for the the PowerMac's ended on Sunday (June 6th).

[applecrag]

"There is no version of Virtual PC that runs on a G5"



oops...i mean when microsoft fixes it

[agreenster]

Am I the only fool waiting for updates so I can buy dual 1.8s at a reduced price?

Honestly, I haven't had to wait for my computer for years... I design much slower than my g4 533 processes.

Depends on what kind of designer you are. If you are a multimedia designer (ie: video) compression times are much faster with faster processor G5's. A 600mhz jump is very noticeable.

I'm a 3D animator, and every little ounce of clockspeed is noticable.

Now I just need to figure out how Im going to pay for this thing...

Donations anyone? I'll put you in my credits for my next short film!! :o

[yoda13]

What about the monitors? I need one bad. I'm lugging my 20" cinema back and forth from work. :(

Would it make sense to wait to update the monitors?

Umm, I think you could be a prime candidate for a laptop :cool:

[Macmaniac]

I don't think Apple would jump to 3.0ghz so fast, Apple has never increased their speed by that many mhz before, so therefore whatever comes I and everyone of you should hope is $100-$200 less expensive then the current line up across the line. I have my cash waiting, but a lower price would allow for extra money to be put into a better graphics card! The new radeon's are coming with PCI-Express and 256mb of RAM come on Apple embrace them:) Gamers want more Mac power ;)

[silvergunuk]

okay okay lads no need to worry!! My "source" has informed me that Apple will give us a dual 3Ghz G5 at WWDC. My source being a very shifty looking man down a dark alley....

[blackfox]

OK, let me begin by stating my lack of technical sophistication, please bear in mind ...I just have some questions after reading through most of this thread, and I apologize if this has been covered ad nauseum in other threads...
1. So there is a brief mention of the *possibility* of a quad-pocessor workstation/high-end model...I am curious as to whether the benefits of the additional processors would be worth the added costs...is any software written to take advantage of four processors (that is relevant)...is there a possibility of this pertaining to multi-core processors instead...seems like an intriguing idea, but not very pragmatic...anyone with pertinent tech knowledge want to help me out...?
2. What are the chances that rev. b PMs (at whatever speed) will have room for another optical drive or other functionality/architectural changes...I am not sure if the new processors will require a revised cooling system...plus, they have had a year to mess around with the machine between updates...just curious...possibilities?
3. Perusing another thread, concerning wireless firewire, the possibility of wireless monitors was raised...probable? This would more than make up for not being 3ghz...

Thanks in advance for your opinions, comments...I personally am not in the market for a new computer till mid-fall, so I am nothing if not patient...the rabidity of some macfans is amusing...I would always prefer a well-thought-out, integrated slower computer than a poorly-designed superfast one...that is why I buy/use macs ITFP...eventually we might have both....cheers

[fishtank22]

Hmm...Anyone think it's a coincidence that these new machines are coming out on "Bring your Credit Card to work day" : )

[capdesign]

Depends on what kind of designer you are. If you are a multimedia designer (ie: video) compression times are much faster with faster processor G5's. A 600mhz jump is very noticeable.

I'm a 3D animator, and every little ounce of clockspeed is noticable.

Now I just need to figure out how Im going to pay for this thing...

Donations anyone? I'll put you in my credits for my next short film!! :o

Quark and Dreamweaver are my "Beasts of Burden"...I am a 9.2.2 slacker.

I spend about 1% of my time in Cleaner.

I am only upgrading because of some quark 5 - 6 issues I have been encountering and the desire to have supported hardware over the next couple of years.

I am Cheap!

Would I notice a difference between dual 1.8s and dual 2.0s? :confused:

[~Shard~]

Am I the only fool waiting for updates so I can buy dual 1.8s at a reduced price?

Nope - my friend is in the exact same position! He's been waiting for the past 3 months for PowerMac updates, bt not so he can buy a new one - so that he can buy an old DP 1.8 or DP 2.0 for a significant savings! All he really wants is a DP 1.8, but doesn't want to pay top dollar for what is effectively year-old technology. Of course, depending what price point these new PowerMacs are released at, and what other hardware goodies have been upgraded, he might have to think twice!

[eric_n_dfw]

there was no prediction made, it was a statement made as a fact, that apple will reach 3 ghz by next year (the end of this month or so for announcement, shipment by end of summer i guess)How the heck is an event in the future ever fact? Even "The sun will rise tomorrow" is a prediction.

Words mean things:

pre·dict (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=predict)
v. pre·dict·ed, pre·dict·ing, pre·dicts
v. tr.
To state, tell about, or make known in advance, especially on the basis of special knowledge.

v. intr.
To foretell something; prophesy

fact (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fact)
n.
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.

A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.

Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.


A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.

Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

[jcshas]

Cool :cool:
but, still can't afford one :(

[~Shard~]

How about this possibility - PowerMacs up to 2.6 GHz are in fact announced tomorrow, however Jobs still keeps his promise of 3 GHz by the end of summer, and everyone is happy (give or take!) For things to work out this way, Jobs only announces the 3 Ghz at WWDC or (shortly thereafter), saying they'll be shipping in a few months. This way, the 3 GHz are still a reality by the end of summer, allowing Jobs to keep his promise, yet by the time they actually are shipping, this would give this 2.6 GHz PowerMac update at least a few months to be in the marketplace, without the systems being completely obsolete and "old news" only a few weeks after they are released (and thus pissing a lot of people off!)

Just a possibility - not saying it will happen that way. No matter what though, any updates to the PowerMac line will be better than nothing! I'll be keeping my eyes open for tomorrow...

[eric_n_dfw]

1. So there is a brief mention of the *possibility* of a quad-pocessor workstation/high-end model...I am curious as to whether the benefits of the additional processors would be worth the added costs...is any software written to take advantage of four processors (that is relevant)...is there a possibility of this pertaining to multi-core processors instead...seems like an intriguing idea, but not very pragmatic...anyone with pertinent tech knowledge want to help me out...?OS X (and any SMP aware OS) should be able to spread processes/threads across as many CPU's as you throw at it.(to a point)

From what I've read, different OS's are better than others when you move to higher numbers of processors, but as long as it supports more than 1, it sould take advantage of 2, 4 or more. There usually are diminishing returns the greater that number gets though, which is why a dual 500Mhz G4 is not usually as fast as a single 1Ghz one. (it can be a certain things, but not usually) The overhead of cordinating the work/data between processors, AFAIK, is one of the reasons why.

Some very high end machines by SGI, Sun, Unisys and others have specially tuned OS versions for anywhere from 32 to 100+ processors too.

FWIW: It seems that clustering many single processor (or dual I guess) seems to be the most cost effective way to obtain insane computational speeds, though, as evidenced by the "Big Mac", Google and others.

[crowdaddy]

I've got a feeling that a big bang is coming that no one expected. Apple is in trouble if it cannot produce the 3 ghz. They have been out of revisions and major upgrades for a while...I have a gut feeling that they met 3 ghz and even exceeded it. This may be extremely optimistic, but, just think, if they do not produce at least a 3 ghz processor any time soon, many mac customers will take this as a red-flag and jump ship, the stock will crash and apple may turn into a music company. This is pretty extreme I know but it looks at the big picture. The other companies are pushing the envelope and it is fitting for apple to step up to the plate and smack one home.

[utilizer]

So, new G5 Power Macs tomorrow as well as interactive tablet displays, huh? How cool is this! I need to make more money to buy these toys!

[Don't know if it's been said but here it goes!]
Then BOOM! WWDC brings us G5 PowerBooks; line up your socks nay-sayers, 'cause it looks like you'll eating them on the 28th! :D

[windowsblowsass]

How about this possibility - PowerMacs up to 2.6 GHz are in fact announced tomorrow, however Jobs still keeps his promise of 3 GHz by the end of summer, and everyone is happy (give or take!) For things to work out this way, Jobs only announces the 3 Ghz at WWDC or (shortly thereafter), saying they'll be shipping in a few months. This way, the 3 GHz are still a reality by the end of summer, allowing Jobs to keep his promise, yet by the time they actually are shipping, this would give this 2.6 GHz PowerMac update at least a few months to be in the marketplace, without the systems being completely obsolete and "old news" only a few weeks after they are released (and thus pissing a lot of people off!)

Just a possibility - not saying it will happen that way. No matter what though, any updates to the PowerMac line will be better than nothing! I'll be keeping my eyes open for tomorrow...
thats what i was thinking im betting that will be the "one more thing" ...and one more thing... those 2.6 g5s bet you thought i didnt keep my promise aye well think again introducing the 3ghz g5 (shipping in august/september)

[capdesign]

So, new G5 Power Macs tomorrow as well as interactive tablet displays, huh? How cool is this! I need to make more money to buy these toys!

[Don't know if it's been said but here it goes!]
Then BOOM! WWDC brings us G5 PowerBooks; line up your socks nay-sayers, 'cause it looks like you'll eating them on the 28th! :D


I don't know if you are joking around... but my apple guy said "G5s in all macs but Ibooks for WWDC" I assume he didn't mean Ipods. My apple guy is often a LIAR! :confused:

[windowsblowsass]

I don't know if you are joking around... but my apple guy said "G5s in all macs but Ibooks for WWDC" I assume he didn't mean Ipods. My apple guy is often a LIAR! :confused:
i want a g5 ipod :D
i can hear it now if the power book has a g5 why ant the ipod :rolleyes:

[windowsblowsass]

i wonder which will be longer, the powermac g5 rev 2 release forum or the powerbook g5 release forum....Wunder if either will beat the Drunk Thread's record
the drunk thread now consists of over 25000 posts[SIZE=4]

[MilesAhead]

there was no prediction made, it was a statement made as a fact, that apple will reach 3 ghz by next year (the end of this month or so for announcement, shipment by end of summer i guess). if they don't reach 3ghz, it was awfully reckless of him to make that statement, because they surely knew that they would be using a 90nm chip, which ibm hadn't done before, and there would likely be some problem solving to be done. granted delays were probably a bit more severe than they anticipated, but they should have been anticipated. shame on them if they don't make it.

OK, let's look at it like this. Suppose I happen to be a friend of George Lucas, and George promises me that Star Wars Episode III is going to be great, the best of all the Star Wars movies. I then tell all my other friends about how great EpIII will be, and because they know that I know George, they believe me. Bear in mind that I am not making the movie, I haven't seen the movie, but the best information I have from someone in the loop says that Episode III is great.

Flash forward to 2005. Episode III is out, and it stinks. Is it my fault? Did the movie automatically have to be great because I said it would be? Of course not.

Boys and girls, SJ has a lot of talents, but telling the future is not one of them; neither is conjuring a non-existent 3 GHz chip out of the air. Promising a 3GHz system doesn't make it exist all by itself. there is not even a hint of these chips being available. There is nothing to indicate that a POWER5 derived chip is even close. The 3ers will be ready when they are ready. Relax.

[g4cubed]

I can't believe what I'm hearing from some people. Everyone was jumping for joy when we hit 2.0GHz. Now 2.6GHz isn't good enough. I say just learn to be patient. It will come sooner than everyone thinks and then some. :D

-------------------

Learn the art of patience. Apply discipline to your thoughts when they become anxious over the outcome of a goal. Impatience breeds anxiety, fear, discouragement and failure. Patience creates confidence, decisiveness, and a rational outlook, which eventually leads to success. :D
Brian Adams

[~Shard~]

Flash forward to 2005. Episode III is out, and it stinks. Is it my fault? Did the movie automatically have to be great because I said it would be? Of course not.


Sure it is your fault - you should have known Episode III was going to stink just like Episodes I and II, no matter what Lucas told you! You don't need to be able to predict the future to know that! ;) :p

[Flowbee]

Jobs took the stage and said, "What about the future? We're at 2 GHz today. IBM and Apple are today announcing that within 12 months, we'll be at 3GHz." Verbatim quote.

Who's to say that they're *not* already at 3GHz? The processor may be at 3GHz+ for all we know, they just may not be ready to ship a system with that processor yet. Could be due to power issues, heat issues, or any number of other unknowns.

Jobs said the processor would be at 3.0GHz within a year... not that Apple would necessarily be *shipping* a 3Ghz machine within a year.

[jocknerd]

The latest ThinkSecret article, if true, offers mixed news. If Apple is still selling all 3 current models at the prices listed, then the new models will be at higher price points.

Dual 1.8 $2199
Dual 2.0 $2499
Dual 2.2 $2799
Dual 2.4 $3099
Dual 2.6 $3399 (or evev $3499)

If Apple was to subsequently (at MacWorld Paris, as some have suggested) introduce a dual 3.0 model, it would likely have to be priced at $4499. I'm no expert on this, but I think this puts it well into the workstation price range.

Don't burst my bubble. I've had this ongoing fear that Apple would do something stupid like this. But I really don't see Apple having five different speeds. Thats just too much. I really think the prices will stay the same as they are now but with faster machines. Which processors are these going to be? Are they going to be from the same fabrication as the current ones or are they the new, lower wattage ones that produce less heat?

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....some of you people are friggin' unbelievable....you are behaving like the 3Ghz PowerMac is the very first computer product that did not meet its "deadline" - cripes, this happens ALL the time with software, hardware, you name it. Relax. A dual 2.6 is 1.2 Ghz more power than what is shipping from apple *today* - that's certainly a great step and enough for me to get the credit card out......oh yeah!

[bathysphere]

OK, let's look at it like this. Suppose I happen to be a friend of George Lucas, and George promises me that Star Wars Episode III is going to be great, the best of all the Star Wars movies. I then tell all my other friends about how great EpIII will be, and because they know that I know George, they believe me. Bear in mind that I am not making the movie, I haven't seen the movie, but the best information I have from someone in the loop says that Episode III is great.

Flash forward to 2005. Episode III is out, and it stinks. Is it my fault? Did the movie automatically have to be great because I said it would be? Of course not.

Boys and girls, SJ has a lot of talents, but telling the future is not one of them; neither is conjuring a non-existent 3 GHz chip out of the air. Promising a 3GHz system doesn't make it exist all by itself. there is not even a hint of these chips being available. There is nothing to indicate that a POWER5 derived chip is even close. The 3ers will be ready when they are ready. Relax.
this is stupid.
i'm not even going to go into your analogy, because it is just a disaster. you're inconsistent within the analogy, not to mention that it doesn't apply.
but, if there was a substantial chance that they would be unable to deliver on the promise (which there definitely was, even without hindsight), he probably shouldn't have made that promise publicly. pretty irresponsible of him, don't you think?
also, i misspoke when i said the word 'fact'. replace 'fact' with 'guarantee'.
personally, i think 2.6 ghz is plenty fast, and will likely beat out most, if not all, competition. it's just stupid of steve jobs to publicly say they would get to 3ghz, and then not do it. it adversely effects his reputation as a businessman, his companies reputation, and probably adversely effected sales. but, we still may see them, so we'll just have to wait and see.

[tazznb]

***News Flash***
There will be PowerMacs with a top speed of 2.6Ghz tomorrow, only because WWDC will produce the ever-so-secret X-Station which tops out at 3.0Ghz.

These will be more expensive due to having larger ram and, larger HD capacity, **Pro graphics card, and **Dual CD Drives (**there was a slight mix up with people thinking they will have pro cards, and dual CD drives for the G5s.)

iMacs will sport 1.6Ghz & 2.0Ghz processors!

:cool:

~Remember; he said they would have 3Ghz Processors, not 3Ghz G5s~

[~Shard~]

Who's to say that they're *not* already at 3GHz? The processor may be at 3GHz+ for all we know, they just may not be ready to ship a system with that processor yet. Could be due to power issues, heat issues, or any number of other unknowns.

Jobs said the processor would be at 3.0GHz within a year... not that Apple would necessarily be *shipping* a 3Ghz machine within a year.

Very true - having a chip at a certain clockspeed is one thing - successfully incorporating it into a new system with all the re-engineerting that is required is another.

Regardless, I could still see Jobs making the 3 GHz announcement sometime this summer, keeping his promise. And hey, who knows, maybe, despite all these rumors, new 2.6 GHz PowerMacs won't be released tomorrow, and updates won't occur until WWDC anyway! Unlikely, but it could happen... ;)

[xy14]

Who says that the PowerMac G5 will have the 3Ghz processor? Steve said that "We will be looking at 3Ghz within 12 months." Where in that sentence did he mention the PowerMac G5?

[jettredmont]

Lol, silly me.
A 350 ghz g4 would indeed be one hell of a machine. Shall I be first to start off the "I want a 350ghz G4 powerbook" posts?

Sadly enough, though, the FSB would still never get above 200MHz ...

[quagmire]

I just thought of a very good idea for Jobs can do. Jobs can introduce the 3 Ghz G5 and then have it estimate a September-November shipping date. If apple and ibm still has problems with it they can just delay its shipping. Jobs would have kept his promise by introducing a 3 Ghz G5. It says no where and he said nothing about shipping the 3 Ghz G5.

[~Shard~]

I just thought of a very good idea for Jobs can do. Jobs can introduce the 3 Ghz G5 and then have it estimate a September-November shipping date. If apple and ibm still has problems with it they can just delay its shipping. Jobs would have kept his promise by introducing a 3 Ghz G5. It says no where and he said nothing about shipping the 3 Ghz G5.

Way to copy practically word for word what has been said on this and other threads multiple times already, including by myself. ;) :p

[quagmire]

Way to copy practically word for word what has been said on this and other threads multiple times already, including by myself. ;) :p

Well, I am sorry that I copied you and other people. I only read threads that interest me. Maybe I didn't read that in other threads.

[MilesAhead]

this is stupid.
i'm not even going to go into your analogy, because it is just a disaster. you're inconsistent within the analogy, not to mention that it doesn't apply.
but, if there was a substantial chance that they would be unable to deliver on the promise (which there definitely was, even without hindsight), he probably shouldn't have made that promise publicly. pretty irresponsible of him, don't you think?
also, i misspoke when i said the word 'fact'. replace 'fact' with 'guarantee'.
personally, i think 2.6 ghz is plenty fast, and will likely beat out most, if not all, competition. it's just stupid of steve jobs to publicly say they would get to 3ghz, and then not do it. it adversely effects his reputation as a businessman, his companies reputation, and probably adversely effected sales. but, we still may see them, so we'll just have to wait and see.

OK, I won't bother to waste another analogy on you. I will agree that it was foolish for SJ to promise/guarantee/whatever 3GHz, a product that was a year away - an eternity in computer time. The main effect this announcement had was on the .01% of Mac users who obsess over rumor sites and such.

[bluefido]

i think they will reach 3 GHz by the end of summer. maybe up to 2.6 now, then by the end of summer have a 2.6, 2.8 and 3.0 maybe?

but they won't release 3.0 at WWDC if they don't tomorrow. that would be stupid. but, it would be steve keeping his word...

mark my words -- iMac G5 this summer.

It is funny to me that you all think Steve Jobs is some kind of benign guru, who always speaks words of wisdom and is true and pure in his Apple ways. I like my Mac, but cmon!! I trust Steve Jobs as much I as I trust Bill Gates, which means very little. Steve Jobs is not our friend. He is not our companion. He is just a man trying to sell us his products. No better than a used cars salesman...though he does sell nice and shiny new computers and mp3 players.

[~Shard~]

Well, I am sorry that I copied you and other people. I only read threads that interest me. Maybe I didn't read that in other threads.

No worries bud - just having some fun (see my emoticons) :cool:

[spankalee]

Steve made the 3Ghz comment twice and it's coming up on being time to deliver, so it's not like Apple can just ignore it and release 2.6Ghz PMs and say "Ok, here's some upgrades." They will almost definitely say something about the clock-speeds. I'd be shocked if they didn't.

Assuming they do say something, what'll it be? Either they say that IBM's been having trouble reaching 3Ghz, or they say they're still working on it.

I think it's still a possibility that 3.0Ghz PMs are announced sometime in September, possibly not shipping will October or November. This will allow Steve to technically keep the "3ghz by the end of the summer" promise and not mess with their customers by coming out with an upgrade just a few months this one.

It was quite uncharistic of Apple to talk about a product that was so far out, but they did - the cat's out of the bag. I think they're kinda obligated so keep their customers informed now.

[neonart]

Here is my Guess:

Single 2.2
Dual 2.6
Dual 3.0 (possibly after the others)

Im just using Croquer's speculations and merging them. They actually stated that new G5's would be here Monday or Tuesday before the American sites (on Sat night I think). I'm not a big follower- but it looks like they may have some good info.

Lets see what happens...

[bluefido]

Steve made the 3Ghz comment twice and it's coming up on being time to deliver, so it's not like Apple can just ignore it and release 2.6Ghz PMs and say "Ok, here's some upgrades." They will almost definitely say something about the clock-speeds. I'd be shocked if they didn't.


Apple will most certainly NOT mention clock-speeds, especially about not meeting 3Ghz. Why have an announcement about your failure to reach a stated goal? It may not really hurt share prices, but it certainly won't help. And honestly, it is only the hardcore Mac and PC heads that dwell on every tech promise or statistic that Steve Jobs spits out.

Prediction:
Steve Jobs says, "The new G5 is generations faster than any PC you can buy." PC freaks get angry and call Jobs a biased liar. PC magazines and websites then cite statistics that say, "Well, the G5 is certainly one of the fastest machines out there, but...only on certain tests....yada, yada, yada..." And Mac rumor sites, get floods of posts saying G5 is the greatest and just wait until 3.5Ghz comes out...then will show them. Pretty predictable.

[IndyGopher]

what i cant understand is that apple would release an update for their 'pro' line tommorow and wait for an update for the g5 imac at a developers convention when the imac is a consumer machine. developers would be more interested in a pro machine than a consumer machine at wwdc.

or whatever...i dont know anything about wwdc. all i know is that macs are the best there is.
The developers might want Pro machines for themselves, but if they aren't developing with the consumer machines in mind then they are shooting themselves in the foot. Only the relatively few Pro applications should REQUIRE a Pro machine. The Apple market is small enough as it is.. if they further restrict their market by developing only for the top end machine, they frankly deserve the grief they will get.

[utilizer]

I don't know if you are joking around... but my apple guy said "G5s in all macs but Ibooks for WWDC" I assume he didn't mean Ipods. My apple guy is often a LIAR! :confused:

I think the Apple guy is smoking a little too much you-know-what if he thinks that the eMac is going to get a G5 anytime soon! :p

[~Shard~]

I think the Apple guy is smoking a little too much you-know-what if he thinks that the eMac is going to get a G5 anytime soon! :p

A G5 in an eMac?!?! I'd predict you'd be looking at 2006 for that fabled machine... ;) :cool:

[johnnowak]

When Apple announces products, what time do they usually do it? Should I be looking for it at 12AM PST Tuesday? Or is it usually that night? Afternoon? Morning?

[neonart]

When Apple announces products, what time do they usually do it? Should I be looking for it at 12AM PST Tuesday? Or is it usually that night? Afternoon? Morning?

If there is a press conference ater 9:00 PST, if just a quiet update by 9:00 EST it's ussually up on the site.

[ffakr]

AMD: Last June: 1.8GHz Opteron (x44) to This June: 2.4GHz Opteron (x50)
33.3% clock speed increase

2.6GHz G5 will be more than adequately powerful though. It might not be 3GHz, but 90nm has been a thorn for all the semiconductor companies.

This would be true if you compared announce date of the dual G5 to the SHIP date of the Opteron. AMD had also announce faster chips on the horizon at that time. You're making an apples and oranges comparison.

The Dual G5s shipped just before the Athlon64 and AthlonFX. That made the race a 2GHz PPC 970 vs. a 2GHz Athlon64/FX. Since Apple has shipped the Dual 2GHz, AMD has only been able to raise the clock speed of the Athlon/Opteron by 20%
From what I've seen, even the just released Socket 939 Athlon64 3800+ is clocked at 2.4 GHz so don't expect another bump from AMD for a while.

If Apple hits 2.6 GHz they'll be doing well (statistically better than AMD). AMD isn't set to go .09 micron till Q3 so that's probably the next speed bump. If Apple could hit 3.0 GHz by fall, I think they'll be pulling away.

just the humble opinion of a stupid ffakr.

[SWC]

There is no version of Virtual PC that runs on a G5.


virtual pc 7...in beta right now.

[SWC]

I can honestly see the 2.6 model coming out tomorrow. If they are unable to hit the 3.0 goal that was stated it takes some of the sting out of announcing a machine in front of thousands of people where you fell short of a promise, is it a big deal in the end? not really. I don't know of any technology company that hasn't missed a launch date or two because of unexpected problems it's the nature of the beast. I mean I would love to get a 3 GHz g5 and I’ve been holding out on upgrading my machine until the new model comes out but I’m not going to cry over 400 MHz. It may speed up my render times by 5 seconds, oh well maybe next update, we'll all live, our Macs wont explode if he doesn’t keep his promise.

[ffakr]

A G5 in an eMac?!?! I'd predict you'd be looking at 2006 for that fabled machine... ;) :cool:

I think the eMac will go G5 soon. Reason? The 970fx is 65mm^2. It's tiny compared to other processors and it's fabbed on 300mm wafers. When the process bugs are worked out (IBM said a while ago they were worked out), then the G5 should cost quite a bit less than a G4 to produce.

Apple has a serious incentive to move the entire Desktop to the G5.
First off.. faster is better
second.. Apple reduces cost whenever they can standardize components, like chipsets.
third.. the more PPC 970s Apple orders, the cheaper they get.. one more economy of scale.

I think the iMac will go G5 by WWDC. The eMac will be running a G5 this fall.

[spankalee]

Apple will most certainly NOT mention clock-speeds, especially about not meeting 3Ghz. Why have an announcement about your failure to reach a stated goal? It may not really hurt share prices, but it certainly won't help. And honestly, it is only the hardcore Mac and PC heads that dwell on every tech promise or statistic that Steve Jobs spits out.

Prediction:
Steve Jobs says, "The new G5 is generations faster than any PC you can buy." PC freaks get angry and call Jobs a biased liar. PC magazines and websites then cite statistics that say, "Well, the G5 is certainly one of the fastest machines out there, but...only on certain tests....yada, yada, yada..." And Mac rumor sites, get floods of posts saying G5 is the greatest and just wait until 3.5Ghz comes out...then will show them. Pretty predictable.

I don't think they can just ignore it. And, a statement about it is not necessarily an announcement of failure; they could set themselves up for actually meeting the goal later in the summer without burning a lot of people who buy the machines now.

Like I said, the cat's out of the bag, it's difficult to put it back in. They have to address the issue at some point because sooner or later a reporter will just ask about it.

[SWC]

I think the iMac will go G5 by WWDC. The eMac will be running a G5 this fall.

I agree, G5 in an eMac is not at all unrealistic, iMac and PowerMac will still have major advantages over the eMac one being it still uses a CRT monitor in addition to being the weight of a big rig truck.

[ffakr]

virtual pc 7...in beta right now.

MS actually changed their story on VPC 7.

original story.. they were being super, extra thorough in debugging (stuck in beta)
last story.. VPC 7 is being held up so that it can ship bundled with Windows XP SP2.

I guess it would be bad press if Macs finally started getting broken into because of Windows.

[SWC]

MS actually changed their story on VPC 7.

original story.. they were being super, extra thorough in debugging (stuck in beta)
last story.. VPC 7 is being held up so that it can ship bundled with Windows XP SP2.

I guess it would be bad press if Macs finally started getting broken into because of Windows.

SP2 is on track for an RC2 release very soon. usually 3 RC's per service pack or os beta based on previous expierience sometimes 2 is all goes well. So we will definitely see it this year I would guess in Fall.

[thedogcow]

I'm am sick and tired of "Well Steve Jobs said.... BLAH BLAH BLAH"

**** Happens.

Deal with it. If they release a 2.6GHz versus a 3.0GHZ, the difference of 400MHz is NOT significant.

Seriously. 400MHz. Will that help you look at pron faster? Will that improve the fact that you still live in your mothers basement?

I'm looking at switchers. Long time mac customers such as myself have been through the thick and the thin with Apple. I am not going to allow 400MHz to cause a freak out.

[dr.Zoidberg]

its kinda like xmas...c'mon Santa Jobs.....please bring me a Rev. B G5......2.6 3.0 3.2 1.8 doesnt really matter, just want more space for drives....maybe we should all go to sleep and when we wake up, something new and great will be waiting for us in the Apple Store.......(for those not on Eastern Standard Time....take a nap, why not?)...All i want from Santa Jobs is a Rev. B G5....(sing along all)

[psingh01]

If new powermacs will be released tomorrow (or later today) then there is no way new powermacs will be released at WWDC. It makes no sense to release 2.6ghz tomorrow and 3ghz in 3 weeks.

What I think if this is true: 2.6ghz will be quietly updated tomorrow and demoed at WWDC. The reason for the queit release before the WWDC is to say "don't expect 3ghz powermacs at WWDC, this is what you are getting so be happy"

Because we all know anything short of a dual 3ghz machine at WWDC will be a disappointment, this is a way to pre-emptively soften the blow.

[Maxwell Devine]

Dual 1.8 $2199
Dual 2.0 $2499
Dual 2.2 $2799
Dual 2.4 $3099
Dual 2.6 $3399 (or evev $3499)

If Apple was to subsequently (at MacWorld Paris, as some have suggested) introduce a dual 3.0 model, it would likely have to be priced at $4499. I'm no expert on this, but I think this puts it well into the workstation price range.

Wow, I really hope you're wrong! I can't see paying $2199 for a computer that debuted nine months ago (but really one year ago, in single proc. form) for $2499? And a $500 drop on the year old 2 Ghz is just not enough.

In order for me to whip out my credit card tomorrow (if they are in stock at "the Grove," in West Hollywood, where I plan to be at 10AM b/c I'm a giant dork), I hope to find the following:

Single 1.6 -- discounted to $1299 like for ADC
Dual 1.8 -- discounted to around $1599
Dual 2.0 -- discounted to around $1799

Dual 2.2 -- $1999 (around same price as single proc. one year ago, give or take $100, only this time w/ built in Bluetooth and WiFi -- like the new PBs)
Dual 2.4 -- $2499
Dual 2.6 -- $2999

Again, the Rev. As really need to come down in price. They've been out for a year, they're tired, and need to be taken off store shelves by now (they're still more than super in your home).

If I can get a dual 2.2 for under 2K, I'm buying (just like when the Dual MDDs came out two summers ago and featured a dual 867 for under 2K), but if I can get a 1.6 super cheap I'm might pick one up and use the money I've saved to buy a pair of sweet Martin Logan speakers I've been drooling over for months...

BRING IT ON! Woohoo!

[dr.Zoidberg]

but seriously, Rev.B G5's.......i'm buying one. and 3Ghz doesnt matter to me, its about having a model that should be more polished, and for what we will be paying....peace of mind in knowing that hopefully all those little problems we have read so much about will have been worked out. i'd settle for a dual 1.6 at this point, it seems to me the dual is the key, not the Ghz's......

[windowsblowsass]

its kinda like xmas...c'mon Santa Jobs.....please bring me a Rev. B G5......2.6 3.0 3.2 1.8 doesnt really matter, just want more space for drives....maybe we should all go to sleep and when we wake up, something new and great will be waiting for us in the Apple Store.......(for those not on Eastern Standard Time....take a nap, why not?)...All i want from Santa Jobs is a Rev. B G5....(sing along all)
its been june 8th officially for 1 whole hour where are my powermacs

[bousozoku]

its been june 8th officially for 1 whole hour where are my powermacs

Where is your punctuation? :D

They usually announce things at 10 a.m. PDT, so you have a while to wait.

I'd be glad to see upgraded processors in the machines, regardless of whether they have 3 GHz machines in August/September 2004.

[Multimedia]

I'm am sick and tired of "Well Steve Jobs said.... BLAH BLAH BLAH"

**** Happens.

Deal with it. If they release a 2.6GHz versus a 3.0GHZ, the difference of 400MHz is NOT significant.

Seriously. 400MHz. Will that help you look at pron faster? Will that improve the fact that you still live in your mothers basement?

I'm looking at switchers. Long time mac customers such as myself have been through the thick and the thin with Apple. I am not going to allow 400MHz to cause a freak out.
I Agree. Whatever Ships I Will Buy. I'm sorry I did not buy the dual 2 last October. I have held out as long as I can to get a G5 and this is IT. If, as the Think Secret article says, Apple will continue to sell the old models for those prices, more than two new models are unlikely. That would be dual 2.3 and dual 2.6. I can't see them making the spread only .2 GHz each. But who knows? We'll see soon enough I hope.

[yoman]

ThinkSecret = Dead lock for me.

WHOA! Anyone see this at the end?

"The source also pointed to the possibility of quad G5 models, but stressed that the development was unconfirmed."

Here it is :) This is fake by the way.

[~Shard~]

I think the eMac will go G5 soon. Reason? The 970fx is 65mm^2. It's tiny compared to other processors and it's fabbed on 300mm wafers. When the process bugs are worked out (IBM said a while ago they were worked out), then the G5 should cost quite a bit less than a G4 to produce.

Apple has a serious incentive to move the entire Desktop to the G5.
First off.. faster is better
second.. Apple reduces cost whenever they can standardize components, like chipsets.
third.. the more PPC 970s Apple orders, the cheaper they get.. one more economy of scale.

I think the iMac will go G5 by WWDC. The eMac will be running a G5 this fall.

You bring up valid points, but I still don't think we'll see G5 eMacs for quite some time - into 2005 for sure. Apple just has too much else on its plate right now, and I could honestly see one more G4 update to the eMac line (bringing them up to 1.5 GHz) before a G5 goes into them.

[dr.Zoidberg]

its been june 8th officially for 1 whole hour where are my powermacs

the rule is you have to go to bed, or Santa Jobs Wont show up

[~Shard~]

Here it is :) This is fake by the way.

I can't even begin to imagine how hot that monster would be! :eek:

[Rocketman]

To be honest, I think Tiger is a more interesting topic than G5 upgrades. Whats the big deal about G5 upgrades. Computers get faster all the time. Its been happening for years, nothing new about it. However, Apple is currently including new and never before seen features in their new OS's. These features effect and change the way we use our computers on a daily basis. Very exciting stuff for me.

I am pretty sure useful, insightful and timeless thinking is not allowed on rumor sites :)

Rocketnam

[Downdivx]

I Agree. Whatever Ships I Will Buy. I'm sorry I did not buy the dual 2 last October. I have held out as long as I can to get a G5 and this is IT. If, as the Think Secret article says, Apple will continue to sell the old models for those prices, more than two new models are unlikely. That would be dual 2.3 and dual 2.6. I can't see them making the spread only .2 GHz each. But who knows? We'll see soon enough I hope.


I've already emailed my reseller and asked for the first 2.6 he get's in. I'm going to ad a 23" HD display and have a kick ass system.

W

[MacinDoc]

Wow, I really hope you're wrong! I can't see paying $2199 for a computer that debuted nine months ago (but really one year ago, in single proc. form) for $2499? And a $500 drop on the year old 2 Ghz is just not enough.

I hope I'm wrong, too! FYI, the numbers I was referring to were directly from the ThinkSecret article (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/g5refresh.html), so what I was saying was that if the ThinkSecret article was correct, then this would be a mixed blessing...

[MacinDoc]

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but if the ThinkSecret article is correct about the clearance pricing of the existing models, don't expect any mobo improvements (such as PCI Express) or increased base RAM in the new models, unless they carry substantially higher price tags.

We might not get any other improvements with this refresh, except for 8X SuperDrives.

I seriously hope this article is not entirely correct...

[windowsblowsass]

the rule is you have to go to bed, or Santa Jobs Wont show up
i did
unless of course...
fo i have to sleep first man i cant handle this kind of pressure screw the powermacs :D

[StrangeQuark]

[excessively optimistic newbie prediction]
Dual 2.6 is the low end spec. Line up will be as follows:

Dual 2.6
Dual 2.8
Dual 3.0

[/excessively optimistic newbie prediction]

[eyeon]

One thing's for sure... if they are released tomorrow, I'll order one tomorrow. If they're released at WWDC, I'll order one then. Just bring 'em on, for christ sake! My checkbook's waiting, and has been waiting for a long time. I can only hope my long wait will be worth it.

Show me what you got, Apple.

[Doctor Q]

Am I the only fool waiting for updates so I can buy dual 1.8s at a reduced price?You are one among many. I'm interested in the price drops too, but not sure for which specific models until I see the prices.

[suzerain]

I hate to break up this "Jobs promised me a 3.0 Ghz G5" and "Jobs didn't really promise you a G5" argument with a little logic, but....

(1) At last year's WWDC, the new G5s were NOT released. They were announced. They were not released until September. (And late September at that!)

(2) Steve Jobs certainly did make what I would call a definitive statement about reaching 3.0 Ghz in a 12-month timeframe (i.e., by this year's WWDC). You can argue about whether it was a "promise", or not, but the fact remains his language was not ambiguous.

So, why can't this be the case:

They planned to do an interim update of the G5s. It didn't go as smoothly as they had hoped. So, it's being delayed until now, and tomorrow (or whenever), they will release 2.6 Ghz G5s.

Then, at WWDC, they announce (note the difference) 3.0 Ghz G5s (at a higher price point than the 2.6s...maybe as a new workstation), just like they announced 2.0 Ghz ones last year, and they don't ship them until September?

This seems more likely to me than these stupid all-or-nothing scenarios everyone is getting their panties in a bunch about...

[minstryoffunk]

Correct. I predict late Aug or early Sept. for 3Ghz+.

My issue is:
In two weeks I'm buying a G5 2Ghz:

will it be reduced in price or will I get a chance to buy a new G5 2.6?

I can only hope for new LCD's. We need one 23"+ and one 17-19" display.

I'll be buying a new 3Ghz and 23"+ LCD around X-mas.


i can't keep quiet any longer.

people need to just chill out about this promise - i hope that blue hits their marks, but if they can't, then we as consumers have to accept that.

also whats the problem with the current apple displays? i've heard great things aobut them. its not like the current ones are no longer available. although i've got a sony LCD and love it too much to be in the market for a new monitor, so i guess my opinion doesnt count for much

[triton]

I guess the only thing we must do now is [WAIT]




....again. :rolleyes:

[Multimedia]

You are one among many. I'm interested in the price drops too, but not sure for which specific models until I see the prices.
Motion Recommended Minimum is Dual 2 GHz. For that reason, I think faster will be better than slower. But I agree the pricing will be an issue. But I want a 2nd gen 90 nm model though. I didn't wait 8 months to buy a 130 nm model now.

[JayBee]

It's pedantic, but let's remember that Steve Jobs said something fairly generic when he made his 3GHz claim. It was something along the lines of:

"And we'll be at 3GHz _in_a_year_"

What does that mean. He didn't say that the chip would actually show up in any machines. He said "we'll be at" (or something similarly generic). Who's "we"? Apple and IBM? If so (and I'm not claiming that this was the plan), then simply announcing that IBM had managed to produce one single chip that clocked up over 3GHz would be enough to validate SJ's claim.

I know that this is bull, and I know that's not what he _meant_ (and so do you, SJ ;) ) but as any good salesman knows, if you make a promise, make it just vague enough to make people think they've heard something that they actually haven't.

Unless I'm totally wrong about the quote - anyone got a transcript?

An _actual_ transcript, by the way - not a kool-aid-fueled "but I heard him say it! I did!" one :p

[Multimedia]

I hate to break up this "Jobs promised me a 3.0 Ghz G5" and "Jobs didn't really promise you a G5" argument with a little logic, but....

(1) At last year's WWDC, the new G5s were NOT released. They were announced. They were not released until September. (And late September at that!)

(2) Steve Jobs certainly did make what I would call a definitive statement about reaching 3.0 Ghz in a 12-month timeframe (i.e., by this year's WWDC). You can argue about whether it was a "promise", or not, but the fact remains his language was not ambiguous.

So, why can't this be the case:

They planned to do an interim update of the G5s. It didn't go as smoothly as they had hoped. So, it's being delayed until now, and tomorrow (or whenever), they will release 2.6 Ghz G5s.

Then, at WWDC, they announce (note the difference) 3.0 Ghz G5s (at a higher price point than the 2.6s...maybe as a new workstation), just like they announced 2.0 Ghz ones last year, and they don't ship them until September?

This seems more likely to me than these stupid all-or-nothing scenarios everyone is getting their panties in a bunch about... Nope. Tomorrow is the last new PowerMac G5 announcement until January 2005 San Francisco MacWorld. There is no need for Steve to explain the delay in the dual 3 GHz G5. He will not talk about it at WWDC. That will be Tiger's moment and the new iMac G5.

[Doctor Q]

Unless I'm totally wrong about the quote - anyone got a transcript?previous post in this thread

[macnews]

Like other's, I would tend to belive the Think Secret article based on their past history. If that is true then:

1. At WWDC Steve will eat a little crow (again) like he did with the Xserve and say 3 gigs is close but will be delayed due to IBM problems.

2. No. 1 will be the real reason but Steve will not announce it at WWDC, just not the place. Instead it will come up in an interview after the conference.

3. Apple will continue with small, un-announced updates.

For those who are in dream land thinking we will get new updates on the 8th and then more at WWDC or even in three months, keep dreaming. It will be either updates June 8 and none at WWDC/more than 3 months or no updates June 8 with announcement at WWDC or in 3 months.

[jackieonasses]

the rule is you have to go to bed, or Santa Jobs Wont show up
thanks for the laugh.

[adamjay]

having dual 2.2 ,2.4, 2.6 all announced tomorrow, and then having the uber 3ghz (maybe or maybe not a G5) with other crazy pro specs (raid, 500GB HD, 2GB ram minimum, $500 GFX card) announced at WWDC... this would all make sense in terms of having a good product line differential between the pro-line PowerMac's and the Ultra Pro like 3ghz.... it would also alienate alot of consumers.

having said that, i think that if the entire PowerMac line will be in fact all Dual CPU G5's (and i certainly hope so), a 200mhz difference between them would make sales very difficult. right now the single cpu 1.6ghz G5 distinguishes itself and fits its pricepoint of $1799, the smaller HD and ram help as well. The boost to dual 1.8ghz for $2499 makes sense when speaking in relative terms regarding the lower end 1.6ghz. and the dual 2.0ghz fits its pricepoint as 2ghz was an apple landmark at the time, thus justifying its $2999 price tag (not to mention it was first announced as being above a Single 1.8ghz, appearing much more superior).

So, for Apple to maintain its price structure without alienating consumers, and to stay competitive as well, this is what i would recommend in terms of models/prices

$1799 G5 dual 2.2 GHz / 80GB / 256MB / superdrive / GeForce FX 5200 Ultra **Announced and available at WWDC

$2499 G5 dual 2.6 GHz / 160GB / 512MB / superdrive / ATI 9600 Pro **Announced and available at WWDC

$3199 G5 dual 3.0 GHz / 160GB / 512MB / superdrive / ATI 9800 Pro * - announced at WWDC , shipping Sept '04

each of these configurations are spaced out enough equally with regard to specification / price, perhaps even more fairly than the current structure.

i would love to see the above happen, really. i doubt it will though.
but who wouldn't be happy with an announcement such as the above

[afields]

Steve revised his statement by saying 3.0 ghz by end of summer. That isn't till mid september. (Late October if you live in arizona) :p Is this so hard to figure out?

Let it go people..........let it go.

:cool:

[freddiecable]

what about the talk about "quad"-macs?! is the OS able to handle four CPUs!?

[Icekey]

From a very reliable source, I've been told this isn't happening tonight.

[dopefiend]

From a very reliable source, I've been told this isn't happening tonight.


I bet his name was reality :p

[arobasefr]

:)


http://www.frtracker.com/?m=qn&c=redirect&sk=4

[COLOR=Red]
Photo of the box !!!!!
http://www.mac4ever.com/images/images_actu/9755_15937.jpg[FONT=Arial Black]

YES !!!

[abc123]

that box looks kinda dusty, photoshop?

[klaus]

that box looks kinda dusty, photoshop?

jep, fake, the alignment isn't right, and I don't think apple puts the ghz on the box? I don't really know, I haven't received such a box YET;), but it looks non-applish to me

[johnnyjibbs]

I could see 2.6GHz now and 3GHz so soon at WWDC. It depends on what Apple has got. If they don't currently have 3GHz machines, they won't mention it.

"You can have a 2.6GHz model today but in 2 weeks there will be a better one for the same price". Where's the business sense in that?

Apple nearly always keeps secretive about upcoming releases. The PM G5s last year were an exception because they had to do something.

From Apple's point of view, there's lots of people waiting for G5s because they haven't been updated. Hence all those quotes about the G5 on the homepage. If they start selling 2.6GHz machines tomorrow all those people will buy (because they think it's "safe" to). Then in 2 weeks they may announce/ship 3GHz models (of course they may not). It will annoy a lot of people but it's a good way of clearing out some inventory of what may then become the middle machine in the line-up. I seem to remember single 1.8 owners being annoyed when the dual 1.8 came out (at a higher price point, mind).

Of course, maybe they will be quad 2.6GHz machines. Think Secret didn't rule that out.

Or maybe Think Secret is wrong for once.

[gsdali]

Boxes for the 8th could just be boxes of Airport expresses. Just a thought. Steve isn't going to announce powermac speedbumps unless he has something really radical for WWDC.

[johnnyjibbs]

Boxes for the 8th could just be boxes of Airport expresses. Just a thought. Steve isn't going to announce powermac speedbumps unless he has something really radical for WWDC.
I read somewhere on the Apple site that they begin shipping in July. Besides, iTunes 4.6 doesn't appear to be ready yet.

[SpaceMagic]

I agree with a previous poster in that Apple may leave the 'Ultimate' slot open. Why do such a thing?

1) Steve can say 'i told you so'
2) There may be no time to go through the whole line-up - why? Because Tiger, iMac G5, Touch Screens, Hanging Screens, New PowerBooks, a Cube, 25th Anniversary Mac, etc (take you pick!)

It'll just be shaded out "Coming Soon" on their site. 'Tune in to WWDC to see what fills this space.'

[Veldek]

I think the eMac will go G5 soon. Reason? The 970fx is 65mm^2. It's tiny compared to other processors and it's fabbed on 300mm wafers. When the process bugs are worked out (IBM said a while ago they were worked out), then the G5 should cost quite a bit less than a G4 to produce.

If you don’t know what you’re talking about, perhaps you should stay quiet. 65 mm^2 ??? First, it’s not mm but nm. Second, the 970FX is on 90 nm, not 65. This makes your point very doubtful.

[NicoMan]

If you don’t know what you’re talking about, perhaps you should stay quiet. 65 mm^2 ??? First, it’s not mm but nm. Second, the 970FX is on 90 nm, not 65. This makes your point very doubtful.

I think he was refering to the physical size of the chip. That being said, 65mm*65mm is not 'tiny' by any stretch of the imagination...

[abc123]

don't know if anyone has mentioned this before but:

Between March 28, 2004, and June 26, 2004, purchase a Power Mac G5 and a 23-inch Cinema HD Display at the same time — and get $500 back by mail (or get $300 back for education individual purchases).

two days before wwdc...

[NicoMan]

don't know if anyone has mentioned this before but:

Between March 28, 2004, and June 26, 2004, purchase a Power Mac G5 and a 23-inch Cinema HD Display at the same time — and get $500 back by mail (or get $300 back for education individual purchases).

two days before wwdc...

So what exactly are you saying?

dumdidum...

[rdowns]

Who says that the PowerMac G5 will have the 3Ghz processor? Steve said that "We will be looking at 3Ghz within 12 months." Where in that sentence did he mention the PowerMac G5?

That is not what he said at all. Jobs took the stage and said, "What about the future? We're at 2 GHz today. IBM and Apple are today announcing that within 12 months, we'll be at 3GHz." Verbatim quote.

[abc123]

So what exactly are you saying?

dumdidum...
not sure if i can detect sarcasm there or not, it is hard over the internet.

just my thoughts are that maybe that particular deal was set up to clear out the older g5s and displays, or perhaps to avoid any confusion over which models were included/price changes they decided to finish right before new ones are released - wwdc.

all speculation, but we will be part way to knowing in a few hours anyway

[eSnow]

...just imagen in a few years.....at wwdc 2008 (i picked a random year)....steve jobs up on stage [...] This processor is no longer 64 bit, but we've gona all out to 128 bit.

I am not sure I will see a true 128Bit CPU in my lifetime, but I'd bet my left ball they will not be announced by 2008.

The adressing space of a 64 Bit machine is 4 billion time of that of a 32 Bitter - or put differently: you can stuff 4 billion time as much RAM into it. Gates' famous 640K comment comes from a time since when RAM amount has roughly gone up 1000 times (from 640KB to 640MB to pick a reasonable but arbitrary number) in 20 years. I see no reason why it would go up 4 million times as fast in the next 20 years. Most likely, we will see computers with 500GB RAM in 2025.

Of course, like the Altivec-units, some other ALUs might go 128Bit or even 256Bit - in other words, we will see a more flexible approach to bitnes.

[NicoMan]

not sure if i can detect sarcasm there or not, it is hard over the internet.

just my thoughts are that maybe that particular deal was set up to clear out the older g5s and displays, or perhaps to avoid any confusion over which models were included/price changes they decided to finish right before new ones are released - wwdc.

all speculation, but we will be part way to knowing in a few hours anyway
You are right: it can be hard to detect sarcasm. And you guessed right: there was a hint of sarcasm.
Anyway... I could say 'No ***** Sherlock' but that would be pushing it a bit.
No, seriously, I guess today we will know for sure the scope of that promotion. If we get PM revision today (or tomorrow) , I think it's fair to say that the displays were the target...

[baldy]

I've given up trying to work out when we see updated G5s - it's been imminent, next tuesday, by the end of may, end of February for so long that this seems like just more speculation (I hope I'm wrong of course)

If they do release 2.6 Ghz today then I take this to mean no 3 Ghz this summer. If they don't my bet is WWDC will see the 3 Ghz machine announced.

Either way I shall be getting my credit card out and enjoying the leap from a 733 Mhz G4 to a dual ??Ghz G5! :)

[klaus]

but who wouldn't be happy with an announcement such as the above

I wouldn't, just because you completely forgot the videocards, new models shipping in sept. with radeon 9800 pro? You must be joking, they are already old, so they would have to last another 9 months? (3 months till september, 6 months lifecycle) not going to happen.

[NicoMan]

Refresh my memory: when in the day are those updates supposed to take place? Specifically, how long are we supposed to wait until we declare it as a dead horse??? Not that I want to be pessimistic but I'm just getting mentally ready for a disappointment.

[SuperChuck]

I could be wrong, but I think the store usually goes down around 7 AM Eastern before an update. That was 46 minutes ago.

[aussiemac86]

Refresh my memory: when in the day are those updates supposed to take place? Specifically, how long are we supposed to wait until we declare it as a dead horse??? Not that I want to be pessimistic but I'm just getting mentally ready for a disappointment.


From vague memory everything usually happens by 9 on a tuesday
I think if nothing happens by 8.30 its unlikely

[NicoMan]

From vague memory everything usually happens by 9 on a tuesday
I think if nothing happens by 8.30 its unlikely

9 Australian Time? US Eastern Time?