Question about girl and STDs.

[MegaMillions]

So, I recently met this girl who definitely wants to sleep with me. I'm a virgin. She has had two sexual partners, the first one being just this last May.

She says the first one got tested for everything beforehand because he had just got out of a relationship that ended with cheating. So, as far as she knows, he was disease free when they did it.

The second guy, she said she's willing to pay for him to take tests, and that if he's clear, then that means she's clear. She prefers to not take a test herself because of the invasive nature of them.

Let's assume that she's telling the truth about the first guy. If the second guy is tested and comes out clean, does that make it safe for me? Or should I not do it unless she actually takes the tests herself?

[jessica.]

Honestly, I'd stay away from that dirty girl.
If you're worried and she won't get a test then she's not worth having.

[thegoldenmackid]

Your safe obviously just having her do the test. The worst part would be if he comes out dirty, she would have to take the test anyway.

[leekohler]

So, I recently met this girl who definitely wants to sleep with me. I'm a virgin. She has had two sexual partners, the first one being just this last May.

She says the first one got tested for everything beforehand because he had just got out of a relationship that ended with cheating. So, as far as she knows, he was disease free when they did it.

The second guy, she said she's willing to pay for him to take tests, and that if he's clear, then that means she's clear. She prefers to not take a test herself because of the invasive nature of them.

Let's assume that she's telling the truth about the first guy. If the second guy is tested and comes out clean, does that make it safe for me? Or should I not do it unless she actually takes the tests herself?

Always, always, ALWAYS assume everyone you sleep with has an STD. Use condoms properly and you should be fine.

[MegaMillions]

Honestly, I'd stay away from that dirty girl.
If you're worried and she won't get a test then she's not worth having.

She's not a dirty girl. She was very careful with both guys, and actually insisted that the first guy get tested. The second guy was her ex.

Am I being too paranoid? It seems like she's definitely clean, but can I know for sure without her taking the test? Even if both guys come out clean, is there still some way that she could have something?

[thegoldenmackid]

She's not a dirty girl. She was very careful with both guys, and actually insisted that the first guy get tested. The second guy was her ex.

Am I being too paranoid? It seems like she's definitely clean, but can I know for sure without her taking the test? Even if both guys come out clean, is there still some way that she could have something?

Yes, if she lied to you. Also, sounds like you have been "down there" before, remember std's can be transmitted a variety of ways, according to the CDC the most emerging threat now is beer pong.

[MegaMillions]

Yes, if she lied to you. Also, sounds like you have been "down there" before, remember std's can be transmitted a variety of ways, according to the CDC the most emerging threat now is beer pong.

She and I have not engaged in any such activities yet.

Yes, if she lied to you. Also, sounds like you have been "down there" before, remember std's can be transmitted a variety of ways, according to the CDC the most emerging threat now is beer pong.

Let's assume she's not lying, because I know her, and she's most likely not. If both guys are clean, could she still have something?

[uberamd]

She's not a dirty girl. She was very careful with both guys, and actually insisted that the first guy get tested. The second guy was her ex.

Am I being too paranoid? It seems like she's definitely clean, but can I know for sure without her taking the test? Even if both guys come out clean, is there still some way that she could have something?

She sounds a little on the whorish side to me. So you expect this girl to go up to a guy she no longer is interested in and ask him to go and take a test? I find it HARD to believe he would say ok and follow through. But hey, you are the one taking the risk, not me. Personally, I would have her take the test. If she can jump from partner to partner and then land on you (and I assume you are young), she is mature enough to take a ********** test.

[dukebound85]

since when is having only 2 sexual partners whore'ish?

[Krafty]

Let's assume she's not lying, because I know her, and she's most likely not. If both guys are clean, could she still have something?

Just have her to the test so you won't be so paranoid about it. I'm a virgin too and I understand you concern (however, I gave up on women), but it's just a matter of having her to the test and boom, all questions and concerns answered. As someone mentioned, use a condom.

[leekohler]

She sounds a little on the whorish side to me. So you expect this girl to go up to a guy she no longer is interested in and ask him to go and take a test? I find it HARD to believe he would say ok and follow through. But hey, you are the one taking the risk, not me. Personally, I would have her take the test. If she can jump from partner to partner and then land on you (and I assume you are young), she is mature enough to take a ********** test.

Two guys and she's a whore? Jeez- you kids are tough these days.

[drewsof07]

If she can jump from partner to partner and then land on you (and I assume you are young), she is mature enough to take a ********** test.

I second the above motion ;)
If she really cares about you, she will be an adult and volunteer instead of begging her exes to take the heat.

[uberamd]

Two guys and she's a whore? Jeez- you kids are tough these days.

The kid still has his V card, and this girl has had multiple partners. This leads me to believe he is like 15 or 16 and if the girl matches his age then yeah, she is a bit whorish, by my standards anyway.

[MegaMillions]

She used condoms with both her previous partners. She was careful, safe, and used condoms, AND the first guy was tested clean.

If the second guy is tested clean, is it safe for me?

[eawmp1]

Always, always, ALWAYS assume everyone you sleep with has an STD. Use condoms properly and you should be fine.

1) Amen to above!
2) I'm surprised an ex would say "Sure, I'll get tested for STD's so you can do your new guy with a clear mind."
3) SHE should be getting yearly Pap smears, STD checks, and HPV checks (and the vaccine)
4) Screening test for STD's are more sensitive in women than in men. Just b/c partners test negative, she could still be positive.
5) Always, always, ALWAYS assume everyone you sleep with has an STD. Use condoms properly and you should be fine

[MegaMillions]

The kid still has his V card, and this girl has had multiple partners. This leads me to believe he is like 15 or 16 and if the girl matches his age then yeah, she is a bit whorish, by my standards anyway.

Nope, we're not in that age group. And she was a virgin up until just a few months ago, and has only done it two or three times since she lost it. And used condoms every one of those two or three times.

[Krafty]

She used condoms with both her previous partners. She was careful, safe, and used condoms, AND the first guy was tested clean.

If the second guy is tested clean, is it safe for me?

Just have her to the test, dude. Condoms arent 100% effective.

[dukebound85]

The kid still has his V card, and this girl has had multiple partners. This leads me to believe he is like 15 or 16 and if the girl matches his age then yeah, she is a bit whorish, by my standards anyway.

i have many guy friends who are 24-25 who are virgins by choice and what not

15-16? lol thats quite an assumption to make

[leekohler]

I second the above motion ;)
If she really cares about you, she will volunteer herself instead of begging her exes to take the heat.

I do agree with this though. She should just go and get the tests. It sounds as if she may be embarrassed to take them. That doesn't make her a whore. And it certainly doesn't mean she doesn't genuinely like the OP. It just means she's human, and maybe a bit immature.

[uberamd]

i have many guy friends who are 24-25 who are virgins by choice and what not

15-16? lol thats quite an assumption to make

I guess my high school was different from yours :)

[MegaMillions]

Okay quick clarification! She's definitely not a whore. She did it ONCE with a guy who had been tested clear (and they used condoms) and then she did it twice with her ex, using condoms both times. That's all she's done.

[heehee]

Just because the test comes negative, doesn't mean they don't have STDs. It takes a few months for some STDs to show up in test results, HIV being one of them.

[uberamd]

Okay quick clarification! She's definitely not a whore. She did it ONCE with a guy who had been tested clear (and they used condoms) and then she did it twice with her ex, using condoms both times. That's all she's done.

And we told you, for clarification, that she should get checked. So quit ignoring our advice and waiting for people to say what you want to hear.

[drewsof07]

Okay quick clarification! She's definitely not a whore. She did it ONCE with a guy who had been tested clear (and they used condoms) and then she did it twice with her ex, using condoms both times. That's all she's done.

I'm 99% positive of one thing: She probably would not enjoy you recounting her sexual history with all of us on this google indexed forum ;)

[leekohler]

Okay quick clarification! She's definitely not a whore. She did it ONCE with a guy who had been tested clear (and they used condoms) and then she did it twice with her ex, using condoms both times. That's all she's done.

Of course she's not. Some people just think everyone should be perfect. It's not a perfect world.

[dukebound85]

And we told you, for clarification, that she should get checked. So quit ignoring our advice and waiting for people to say what you want to hear.

no kidding

op, youve waited this long so wait a little longer so she can get tested if you are so concerned

[r6girl]

She prefers to not take a test herself because of the invasive nature of them.

As a girl, I think this is a complete load of BS. If she's sexually active, she's probably been to a gynecologist before, and some of the testing requires no more than what she'd normally go through in an annual exam to begin with. Other tests are done by drawing blood. From your arm. Not invasive at all.

I always suggest erring on the side of caution. Never assume that someone does not have any STDs because they slept with someone who didn't have any at the time they were tested. Always use a condom.

Personally, if she's unwilling to get tested for you, she's not worthy to be your first. She can't guarantee you that she is STD-free no matter what the state is of the men she's slept with before. In other words, she's willing to put your health at risk to avoid her own discomfort. That's complete *****.

[annk]

The fact that she uses the invasiveness of the test as an excuse not to get tested should start the alarm bells ringing for you. If she's sexually active and changing partners, the only respectful and sensible thing to is to get tested. If she won't, then I would walk away. The only test results you should have to relate to are hers and your own, not those of her previous partners.

Invasive tests are something women just have to live with.

Edit: r6girl said it much better!:D

[dukebound85]

Of course she's not. Some people just think everyone should be perfect. It's not a perfect world.

i agree with what you said and want to add to those who think she is whoreish

since when is having sex make someone not perfect?

last i checked its a natural thing lol

[MegaMillions]

Alright thanks everybody. Consensus reached: She will get tested, or I will remain a virgin for now.

[DrunkenMunky]

Well... condoms are generally 99.9% effective.

So theoretically... you are safe.

Just make sure you are always protected.


If your not 100% happy with having sex, talk to her. Ask her to get tested again?

If she 'loves' you... she would understand.





On another note. Enjoy becoming a man =D

[Krafty]

Alright thanks everybody. Consensus reached: She will get tested, or I will remain a virgin for now.

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[leekohler]

i agree with what you said and want to add to those who think she is whoreish

since when is having sex make someone not perfect?

last i checked its a natural thing lol

Well, I of course don't think that. But it seems some people do.

Alright thanks everybody. Consensus reached: She will get tested, or I will remain a virgin for now.

Good for you.

[drewsof07]

Alright thanks everybody. Consensus reached: She will get tested, or I will remain a virgin for now.

Good decision! Don't sell out and put yourself at risk.
Good luck :)

[MegaMillions]

The thing is she's just a little frustrated because she took extreme precautions herself when doing it, so that she wouldn't have to deal with this.

[.Andy]

STI testing really isn't that invasive these days. Even for women. For chlamydia it's a urine test. For HIV it's just a routine blood test. There's really no need to be doing a pelvic exam/taking cervical swabs from her. Although if she's sexally active she should be getting regular pap smears within a couple of years of becoming sexually active anyway.

[MacDawg]

Three things you should never do...

1. Seek medical advice on an internet forum
2. Seek legal advice on an internet forum
3. Seek relationship/sexual advice on an internet forum

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

[Krafty]

3. Seek relationship/sexual advice on an internet forumToo late.

[bartelby]

Three things you should never do...

1. Seek medical advice on an internet forum
2. Seek legal advice on an internet forum
3. Seek relationship/sexual advice on an internet forum

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

Especially one inhabited by nerds. :)

[dukebound85]

make sure you have health insurance, otherwise testing can get a tad pricey

[annk]

The thing is she's just a little frustrated because she took extreme precautions herself when doing it, so that she wouldn't have to deal with this.

Then she was either misinformed or fooling herself. You are not the first person she will meet who will expect her to get tested, and she should do so for the sake of her own health regardless.

Good choice, btw. :)

[jessica.]

The thing is she's just a little frustrated because she took extreme precautions herself when doing it, so that she wouldn't have to deal with this.

I echo MacDawg's advice, but since you said this I have to say that taking precautions is one thing. Doing it thinking you'll never have to submit to a test shows her immaturity. I don't think she is a whore by any means but you CAN contract something even if some dude didn't put his dirty P in her clean V.

As yourself why you need to rationalize your possible night with this girl so much.

[MegaMillions]

She is now saying she'll get tested and that i'm worth it. :)

[uberamd]

i agree with what you said and want to add to those who think she is whoreish

since when is having sex make someone not perfect?

last i checked its a natural thing lol

Who said there was anything wrong with being whorish? Have you seen rap music videos?

[eawmp1]

She is now saying she'll get tested and that i'm worth it. :)

Were the other guys worth it to her? Just askin' :rolleyes:

[jessica.]

Well that is nice but this whole thing has immature relationship written all over it for some reason.

[MegaMillions]

Were the other guys worth it to her? Just askin' :rolleyes:

They didn't ask her to get tested. She was a virgin for the first one, and the second one figured she's clean because the first guy was clean.

[jessica.]

Figured? Yikes. I figured I'd be clean because I took a shower before.

It's like that.

[dukebound85]

dont have sex unless you are ready to bear any consequences of it

its for grownups, not kids

any dude can get a girl pregnant, not all can be a father

[MegaMillions]

Figured? Yikes. I figured I'd be clean because I took a shower before.

It's like that.

I don't quite see how it's like that. If she only did it once, with a condom, with one clean guy, couldn't the second guy figure that she's clean?

[Krafty]

Now that you've reached a verdict, perhaps you should stop spilling her sex life.

[jessica.]

^ No. I'm sorry to say that it is not that cut and dry. I've known quite a few people who have participated in oral sex but are still technically virgins by medical definition alone. So really ... there is no such thing in my eyes as "figure" when it comes to sex.

I say do whatever helps you sleep at night ... or not sleep if you catch my drift but this is a very adult decision that we've all had to or will have to make in our lives ... just be as safe as possible.

[uberamd]

I don't quite see how it's like that. If she only did it once, with a condom, with one clean guy, couldn't the second guy figure that she's clean?

Never assume anything ever. When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

[.Andy]

^ No. I'm sorry to say that it is not that cut and dry.
Only the worst kind of sex is.

[annk]

They didn't ask her to get tested. She was a virgin for the first one, and the second one figured she's clean because the first guy was clean.

I'm assuming this is what she told you, not what they told you?

Even if it's true, it only means that the guys were either uneducated about the health issues involved, or they were immature.

Her getting tested is sensible even if the two of your weren't getting together.

[ethical]

This may have already been mentioned, I didnt read the whole thread... but condoms dont keep you safe from all STDs. Just ask her to do the test, so what if it's invasive.... as said she should be having yearly(ish) checkups that are just as invasive anyway.

[juanm]

-Wear a condom.
-Make sure you put it on properly (if it's your first time, make sure you've got a couple of spares in case you tear it). Buy a box of 6 or 12, some lube*, and practice beforehand (no need for lube for training).
-Use lube*.
-Avoid dangerous practices.
-Keep your expectations low :p




*Make sure it's condom safe. Most are, but still. Get it in a pharmacy, sex-shop, or some other respectable place.

[MegaMillions]

Alright, thanks again everybody!

[ButtUglyJeff]

She used condoms with both her previous partners. She was careful, safe, and used condoms, AND the first guy was tested clean.

If the second guy is tested clean, is it safe for me?


How old is this "girl"?

[ethical]

Keep your expectations low :p

haha, that's the spirit :p

[Fiveos22]

So, I recently met this girl who definitely wants to sleep with me. I'm a virgin. She has had two sexual partners, the first one being just this last May.

She says the first one got tested for everything beforehand because he had just got out of a relationship that ended with cheating. So, as far as she knows, he was disease free when they did it.

The second guy, she said she's willing to pay for him to take tests, and that if he's clear, then that means she's clear. She prefers to not take a test herself because of the invasive nature of them.

Let's assume that she's telling the truth about the first guy. If the second guy is tested and comes out clean, does that make it safe for me? Or should I not do it unless she actually takes the tests herself?

It blows my mind how strangely these transactions go down. In my experience, you go to a bar meet a girl and make some bad decisions. Where are you coming from that people, who apparently are not in "relationships" have these transactional habits: "Oh, I want to sleep with you but I want to be safe, without using adequate protection, but also don't want to get tested myself, however I will have three sexual partners in three months after just popping my cherry."

I have seen quite a bit of strange thinking as far as these things are concerned, but that story ranks fairly close to the top. If you came into my clinic we'd have a little talk.

First of all I'd have to assume you're a liar, or at least unwilling to be completely truthful. Let's face it, sex is an extremely personal topic and many people are uncomfortable talking about it even with their physician. A few weeks back I had a high school girl come in with all the signs of early pregnancy who denied having sex multiple times before I asked "when was the last time a penis was in your vagina" at which point she said two weeks ago. Its hard to help if you're not honest, and impossible to help if you're not cooperative.

Next I'd try to figure out your maturity: I would like to know how old you are, the background you're coming from, and what your thoughts about sex are. I would like to know what your intentions are for sleeping with her (relationship vs. sexual conquest vs. wanting to lose your virginity). Serious emotional problems, social problems, and health problems can come from intercourse. This can be internal battles especially if religious beliefs are involved, to family strain, to the emotional fallout of people confusing sex with love without proper prior emotional development, to impulsivity and dangerous behavior associated with some psychiatric conditions.

I'd assume that you're ignorant about sexually transmitted infections, instead of trying to tease out what you do and do not know, and give you the basics.
- STI's are common in young sexually active persons. (At the high school just up the road from my hospital, there is a 15% incidence of chlamydia/gonorrhea! That's across all active and non-sexually active students)
- The more partners you have, the more likely you are to be exposed to infection.
- Infections can have a whole range of presentations from entirely silent to raging short term symptoms to long term immune or neurological damage.
- Only some STI's can be cured, others are simply treated (which means you have it forever).
- Some STI's can be life threatening if untreated (which goes back to the maturity assessment, and trying to assess whether you are likely to present for treatment if you do get something).
- Proper protection includes a myriad of things including, but not limited to proper condom use.

And finally, I would say that testing helps, but its the timing of the testing that is the most important. Syphillis and Gonorrhea may present early enough. Chlamydia may be silent. HIV will not manifest for weeks to months on a test. HPV and Herpes are frequently found when they cause warts and sores respectively. And there's a whole host of other things that you could possibly pick up (the testing initially only covers the more common ones).



Sorry if that sounded upset, but in some respects it is, because you are 1) asking medical advice on an internet forum for computer stuffs, 2) relating a story that overtly describes bad judgement, 3) this crap happens to too many people purely because they haven't been properly educated on good hygiene.

[leekohler]

Wear a condom.
Make sure you put it on properly (if it's your first time, make sure you've got a couple of spares in case you tear it).
Use lube.

Buy a box of 6 or 12, some lube, and practice beforehand (no need for lube for training). Avoid dangerous practices. Keep your expectations low :p

Exactly. The way some people here are talking, you'd think STDs fly through the air and attack you. Just be sensible and careful, and it'll be fine.

[anjinha]

She used condoms with both her previous partners. She was careful, safe, and used condoms, AND the first guy was tested clean.

If the second guy is tested clean, is it safe for me?

How do you know for sure that the guy is clean? Did you see his tests? People lie all the time about STD's.

You might even trust the girl, but do you trust those guys?

[MegaMillions]

It blows my mind how strangely these transactions go down. In my experience, you go to a bar meet a girl and make some bad decisions. Where are you coming from that people, who apparently are not in "relationships" have these transactional habits: "Oh, I want to sleep with you but I want to be safe, without using adequate protection, but also don't want to get tested myself, however I will have three sexual partners in three months after just popping my cherry."

I have seen quite a bit of strange thinking as far as these things are concerned, but that story ranks fairly close to the top. If you came into my clinic we'd have a little talk.

First of all I'd have to assume you're a liar, or at least unwilling to be completely truthful. Let's face it, sex is an extremely personal topic and many people are uncomfortable talking about it even with their physician. A few weeks back I had a high school girl come in with all the signs of early pregnancy who denied having sex multiple times before I asked "when was the last time a penis was in your vagina" at which point she said two weeks ago. Its hard to help if you're not honest, and impossible to help if you're not cooperative.

Next I'd try to figure out your maturity: I would like to know how old you are, the background you're coming from, and what your thoughts about sex are. I would like to know what your intentions are for sleeping with her (relationship vs. sexual conquest vs. wanting to lose your virginity). Serious emotional problems, social problems, and health problems can come from intercourse. This can be internal battles especially if religious beliefs are involved, to family strain, to the emotional fallout of people confusing sex with love without proper prior emotional development, to impulsivity and dangerous behavior associated with some psychiatric conditions.

I'd assume that you're ignorant about sexually transmitted infections, instead of trying to tease out what you do and do not know, and give you the basics.
- STI's are common in young sexually active persons. (At the high school just up the road from my hospital, there is a 15% incidence of chlamydia/gonorrhea! That's across all active and non-sexually active students)
- The more partners you have, the more likely you are to be exposed to infection.
- Infections can have a whole range of presentations from entirely silent to raging short term symptoms to long term immune or neurological damage.
- Only some STI's can be cured, others are simply treated (which means you have it forever).
- Some STI's can be life threatening if untreated (which goes back to the maturity assessment, and trying to assess whether you are likely to present for treatment if you do get something).
- Proper protection includes a myriad of things including, but not limited to proper condom use.

And finally, I would say that testing helps, but its the timing of the testing that is the most important. Syphillis and Gonorrhea may present early enough. Chlamydia may be silent. HIV will not manifest for weeks to months on a test. HPV and Herpes are frequently found when they cause warts and sores respectively. And there's a whole host of other things that you could possibly pick up (the testing initially only covers the more common ones).



Sorry if that sounded upset, but in some respects it is, because you are 1) asking medical advice on an internet forum for computer stuffs, 2) relating a story that overtly describes bad judgement, 3) this crap happens to too many people purely because they haven't been properly educated on good hygiene.

Thanks for the info. I do know plenty about sex and STDs and that's why i'm taking every precaution. I don't know how you managed to spin a perfectly normal and sensible story into something so negative that you could so harshly judge. People have sex, and if they're smart, they avoid contracting STDs. I know how it works.

Thanks again.

[anjinha]

Thanks for the info. I do know plenty about sex and STDs and that's why i'm taking every precaution. I don't know how you managed to spin a perfectly normal and sensible story into something so negative that you could so harshly judge. People have sex, and if they're smart, they avoid contracting STDs. I know how it works.

Thanks again.

Well, you are being kind of naive. You were asking if there was anything to worry about if those two guys were clean. But how do you know that for sure? Do you trust them?

[MegaMillions]

Well, you are being kind of naive. You were asking if there was anything to worry about if those two guys were clean. But how do you know that for sure? Do you trust them?

No I don't. That's why I was asking for advice here. I was generally leaning in the direction of requiring her to get tested herself, but I just wanted a second opinion.

[killerrobot]

This seems like a long overcomplicated process just to lose the V tag.

I think if it were meant to happen it would just happen - all this hesitation probably means that someone is not ready to make it happen and it should be avoided all together.

My $0.02.

As Trojan says: Don't be an animal. Evolve.

[uberamd]

I do know plenty about sex and STDs and that's why i'm taking every precaution.

I would judge that based on your previous posts, and the fact that you even created this thread that you clearly don't know plenty.

[leekohler]

I would judge that based on your previous posts, and the fact that you even created this thread that you clearly don't know plenty.

Jeez! Everyone has doubts! The guy's a virgin for god's sake! Of course there are things he doesn't know about and things that make him nervous. Talking about it beforehand shouldn't get you raked over the coals! He made the decision you wanted him to, and you're still not happy. Would it make you happier if he came in and talked about it after the fact instead?

God- you people are so judgmental. It really takes me by surprise sometimes. Stop getting on people for doing the right thing and asking questions and wanting a little support.

[frogger2020]

She used condoms with both her previous partners. She was careful, safe, and used condoms, AND the first guy was tested clean.

If the second guy is tested clean, is it safe for me?

Condoms are never 100% safe. Herpes is transmitted skin to skin and doesn't need full genital to genital contact. Never assume second hand information is as good as first hand information. In otherwords, she should get herself tested.

[pelicanflip]

Unless if she's willing to get checked out herself, there's no guarantee that she doesn't have an STD.

Oh, and don't be a fool, wrap your tool.

[wfoster]

Use a condom, you'll be fine. Just don't kill her teddybear with your moneyshot like on American Pie.

[pelicanflip]

Use a condom, you'll be fine. Just don't kill her teddybear with your moneyshot like on American Pie.

Unless if she has herpes or some or STD by skin contact. Then you better damn well be wearing a full body hazmat suit.

Condoms are not 100% fullproof. End of story. Only way to guarantee not getting an STD is by not having sex.

[uberamd]

Jeez! Everyone has doubts! The guy's a virgin for god's sake! Of course there are things he doesn't know about and things that make him nervous. Talking about it beforehand shouldn't get you raked over the coals! He made the decision you wanted him to, and you're still not happy. Would it make you happier if he came in and talked about it after the fact instead?

God- you people are so judgmental. It really takes me by surprise sometimes. Stop getting on people for doing the right thing and asking questions and wanting a little support.
Er... did you see what his reply was to the guy who gave the long, good advice? I directed my comment at his reply to that. Its good that he is asking, but someone gave good, thought out advice to him and he said he already knew plenty. If thats the case, why did he even ask?

[MegaMillions]

Er... did you see what his reply was to the guy who gave the long, good advice? I directed my comment at his reply to that. Its good that he is asking, but someone gave good, thought out advice to him and he said he already knew plenty. If thats the case, why did he even ask?

That long, informative post, was extremely negative, and basically made it sound like no matter who you have sex with, or how you have sex, there will most likely be negative consequences, and a high chance of STDs.

The writer of that post also misinterpreted and put a negative spin on the situation between me and this girl.

Since there's a 99.99% chance that this girl is clean, AND she's going to get tested before we do it, there is a 99.99% chance that we will have a great, mutually enjoyable experience, most likely ongoing for a while. That poster made it sound like it's almost impossible to have a fun, consequence free sexual relationship, and I know that that's not the case at all.

[leekohler]

Er... did you see what his reply was to the guy who gave the long, good advice? I directed my comment at his reply to that. Its good that he is asking, but someone gave good, thought out advice to him and he said he already knew plenty. If thats the case, why did he even ask?

I see your point. It just seems that a lot of this is getting blown out of proportion though.

But I also think he was just looking for some reassurance, not a lecture. Knowing about something is different when one potentially has to face it in real life. ;)

[MegaMillions]

I see your point. It just seems that a lot of this is getting blown out of proportion though.

But I also think he was just looking for some reassurance, not a lecture.

Thank you.

[Zombie Acorn]

Just wear a condom.

[leekohler]

Just wear a condom.

That's what I say. No matter what- one never knows. I say that even to people who have been in long-term, monogamous relationships. Let's face it- infidelity happens. Erring on the side of caution is always a wise move.

[eawmp1]

People lie on their taxes and in bed.

This week I had to deliver news to a patient that he was a new HIV converter. He remarked that his only sexual partner since his last negative HIV test had said he was "clean" and had "tested negative".

Real life experience - try to learn from it.

[leekohler]

People lie on their taxes and in bed.

This week I had to deliver news to a patient that he was a new HIV converter. He remarked that his only sexual partner since his last negative HIV test had said he was "clean" and had "tested negative".

Real life experience - try to learn from it.

Yep - you NEVER trust what anybody says about that stuff.

[sushi]

Alright thanks everybody. Consensus reached: She will get tested, or I will remain a virgin for now.
Sounds like a good plan.

BTW, condoms can and do break.

Nothing wrong with waiting until you are comfortable with the situation.

[redwarrior]

Alright thanks everybody. Consensus reached: She will get tested, or I will remain a virgin for now.
Smart boy (not being derogatory, I just happen to be very sure that you are much younger than I am). You are smarter than most.

And it's good to see that you got some very useful information from the community here. It doesn't always work out that way.:o

[Melrose]

Never take anything on assumption. It always, always pays to be safe, especially with something like this, because one slip is all it takes to change you life.

[MegaMillions]

Well, AIDS takes 6 months to detect. So does that mean I can't safely do this until six months from now when her negative HIV test shows up?

Do you think there's actually a chance she could give me AIDS, even though neither of the guys she did it with have it, and they used condoms?

[Tomorrow]

It depends on when they were tested, when she was tested, and whether everyone is being truthful.

The best advice you'll ever get on this subject is this: use a condom, no matter what anybody tells you to the contrary. If you get any resistance, run. If your gut tells you something is amiss, then it very well could be - run.

Having sex, whether it's your first time or not, is not a time to start thinking with your knob rather than your cranium.

[colourfastt]

I'm going to make this short and to the point: 1) assume anyone you have sex with has an STD and take the appropriate precautions (condoms, etc.); 2) go out there and ENJOY HAVING SEX!!! Ignore the moralistic pronouncements from the Temperance Society on here.

[Leareth]

Well, AIDS takes 6 months to detect. So does that mean I can't safely do this until six months from now when her negative HIV test shows up?

Do you think there's actually a chance she could give me AIDS, even though neither of the guys she did it with have it, and they used condoms?

no, it means you can do it now,
take every sensible precaution.

you should always test yourself and your new partner before having any sort of sexual activity. It is just common sense.
Any person who says no to testing, i say No to.

[Eanair]

Just my two cents here...

That she calls STD testing invasive is really not sitting right with me.

Does she mean embarrassing?

STD testing is performed either via a pap smear procedure, or a blood test. If she's sexually active, she should be getting routine gynecological exams anyways, and an STD test is not more invasive than that. And if it's a blood test, that's hardly invasive at all.

I know it was mentioned before, but that bit just really sounds a bit suspect to me.

Other than that; however, all the advice has been good, IMO. STDs can be passed in ways other than penetrative intercourse, HIV takes a while to show up on blood panels so use condoms anyways, don't take anyone's word, and etc.

[MattyK]

Just wear a condom and pull out, if you want to play it real safe.

[MegaMillions]

no, it means you can do it now,
take every sensible precaution.

you should always test yourself and your new partner before having any sort of sexual activity. It is just common sense.
Any person who says no to testing, i say No to.

But she didn't say no to testing. It's just impossible to detect HIV until 6 months after contraction.

[Tomorrow]

But she didn't say no to testing. It's just impossible to detect HIV until 6 months after contraction.

Or longer.

[MegaMillions]

Or longer.

Right, but that other guy said it means I can do it now, and just take every precaution.

[Tomorrow]

Right, but that other guy said it means I can do it now, and just take every precaution.

Sure, as long as you're convinced that everyone's being truthful - it's not like any lovers in this world have ever lied to each other about anything, right? :rolleyes:

The smartest thing is just like you said - take every precaution.

[spaceboots06]

since when is having only 2 sexual partners whore'ish?

Sadly, people set their standards lower. I've been having sex since the end of middle school (a mistake I've realized) and I made hella sure that my wife never had sex before. I can't imagine having a partner who has had casual sex with someone besides me. Good thing she doesn't think the same.

[Dagless]

Sadly, people set their standards lower. I've been having sex since the end of middle school (a mistake I've realized) and I made hella sure that my wife never had sex before. I can't imagine having a partner who has had casual sex with someone besides me. Good thing she doesn't think the same.
Double standards much?
Let's face it- infidelity happens.
Not always.

Condoms are not 100% fullproof. End of story. Only way to guarantee not getting an STD is by not having sex.
Yup. Never fully rely on one.

Threads like this make me thankful both me and teh girlfriends only sexual partners have been each other. No worryings over STD's, which is just as well since I'm a natural worrier anyways.

[MegaMillions]

Well, of course i'm gonna use a condom.

So, considering that, and considering that she most likely is clean... that's pretty damn safe, right?

[emt1]

Yes, if she lied to you. Also, sounds like you have been "down there" before, remember std's can be transmitted a variety of ways, according to the CDC the most emerging threat now is beer pong.

http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/2009/s090226.htm

[DoFoT9]

Honestly, I'd stay away from that dirty girl.
If you're worried and she won't get a test then she's not worth having.

i think this....
since when is having only 2 sexual partners whore'ish?

... sums up what i think perfectly. :rolleyes:

Well, of course i'm gonna use a condom.

So, considering that, and considering that she most likely is clean... that's pretty damn safe, right?

yeaaa as clean as it gets!!! go for it!

[MarkangDemonyo]

This is definitely one of the most interesting threads I've followed here. I thank you all.

[MegaMillions]

This is definitely one of the most interesting threads I've followed here. I thank you all.

Thanks! And, you're welcome. :)

[iBlue]

Great posts already, just want to echo: USE A CONDOM!


Sadly, people set their standards lower. I've been having sex since the end of middle school (a mistake I've realized) and I made hella sure that my wife never had sex before. I can't imagine having a partner who has had casual sex with someone besides me. Good thing she doesn't think the same.

Sounds like your wife set her standards pretty low to accept that sort of double-standard BS.

[sushi]

I made hella sure that my wife never had sex before.
Not to bust your bubble, but sometimes wives have been known to lie about prior relationships and sex.

I can't imagine having a partner who has had casual sex with someone besides me.
I sincerely hope that someday you do not get the surprise of your life.

[conch575]

Always, always, ALWAYS assume everyone you sleep with has an STD. Use condoms properly and you should be fine.

I agree. Good advice there. ^^

[Sdashiki]

Can I be the first person to finally ask for pictures? :cool:

I mean all this advice is coming from a place where its assumed she's worth losing your virginity to!?

If you want that kind of advice from this kind of forum, I think its only fair we all get to evaluate everything including looks not just personal past history.

[leekohler]

Not always.



But a LOT more than you think it does, Jimmi. Do you have any idea how many married guys are on the DL? You would be shocked, trust me. I've been hit on by more married guys than I can count.

I was with a BF for five years, and we used condoms every single time. He always claimed to be monogamous- I know I was. Guess what? Turned out he was an alcoholic, just very good at hiding it. And just what do you think he did on binges?

[achie25]

She's not a dirty girl. She was very careful with both guys, and actually insisted that the first guy get tested. The second guy was her ex.

Am I being too paranoid? It seems like she's definitely clean, but can I know for sure without her taking the test? Even if both guys come out clean, is there still some way that she could have something?

3 guys (counting you) in all of 2 months time? Stay away.

[leekohler]

3 guys (counting you) in all of 2 months time? Stay away.

Let's stop it with the judgments.

[nobunaga209]

She prefers to not take a test herself because of the invasive nature of them.


Dude this would be an automatic red flag for me; just saying. Also you're assuming she is telling you the truth about who she has and hasn't been with. As a rule of thumb, "when in doubt, DO NOT pull it out!" :rolleyes:

[MegaMillions]

Just a little update.

I hung out with her today. I was more attracted to the man behind the counter at the deli, than I was to her. It seems that no camera can capture her ugliness. And yes, we met online, and I had seen several pictures of her, but none of them looked as bad as the reality. It was honestly a relief looking at the handsome face of the guy behind the counter. And I am 110% straight.

So yeah. For now, I remain a virgin. :)

[iBlue]

Just a little update.

I hung out with her today. I was more attracted to the man behind the counter at the deli, than I was to her. It seems that no camera can capture her ugliness. And yes, we met online, and I had seen several pictures of her, but none of them looked as bad as the reality. It was honestly a relief looking at the handsome face of the guy behind the counter. And I am 110% straight.

So yeah. For now, I remain a virgin. :)

:facepalm:

[Leareth]

:facepalm:

X2

I just cant believe he said that.

[Abstract]

If you're not attracted, then you're not attracted. Just don't be a dick about it.

I'm glad she didn't sleep with you, and I'm glad you're still a virgin, because apparently, you kind of suck as a human being.

[MegaMillions]

I'm not being a dick about it. Everybody who i've told it to in person like this has found it hilarious. It's not something personal against her. It's just a funny way of describing my experience. Jeez.

[skunk]

Just a little update.

I hung out with her today. I was more attracted to the man behind the counter at the deli, than I was to her. It seems that no camera can capture her ugliness. And yes, we met online, and I had seen several pictures of her, but none of them looked as bad as the reality. It was honestly a relief looking at the handsome face of the guy behind the counter. And I am 110% straight.

So yeah. For now, I remain a virgin. :)Sounds like the human race, especially this poor, misguided girl, can breathe a sigh of relief.

[MegaMillions]

If you're not attracted, then you're not attracted. Just don't be a dick about it.

I'm glad she didn't sleep with you, and I'm glad you're still a virgin, because apparently, you kind of suck as a human being.

Okay, now, like a rockslide, everybody's gonna jump on me and say i'm terrible because of what I said. This is a false conclusion, but since the rockslide has started, there isn't much I can do but get the hell out of here.

Thanks again for the help!

[Jaffa Cake]

So yeah. For now, I remain a virgin. :)It sounds like the young lady in question has had a very narrow escape. Good for her.

[MegaMillions]

Sounds like the human race, especially this poor, misguided girl, can breathe a sigh of relief. What a dickwad.

How can you say something like that? You're assuming things about her and about me, without even meeting either of us! It's just a projection of your mind. I don't believe this.....

[MegaMillions]

It sounds like the young lady in question has had a very narrow escape. Good for her.

Please! PLEASE! Everybody just slow down and listen!! Prove to me that a human rockslide of false assumptions CAN be brought to a stop by sheer awareness!

I know what I said was really mean. It is not a reflection of who I am!

Thank you.

[skunk]

Just reading your illuminating contributions would lead one to think so.

[Krafty]

How can you say something like that? You're assuming things about her and about me, without even meeting either of us! It's just a projection of your mind. I don't believe this.....

Its the ****ing internet, what do you expect?

[MacDawg]

How can you say something like that? You're assuming things about her and about me, without even meeting either of us! It's just a projection of your mind. I don't believe this.....

Let's summarize:

You parade a girls sex life on the 'net
You discuss your sexual appetite for someone you never met
You trash the girl in the end

And you are outraged that someone has something negative to say about you?

:rolleyes:

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[MegaMillions]

Okay you're right. It's only natural that you guys would come to the conclusion you have about me. It doesn't make it correct.

What can I say?

[Krafty]

I know what I said was really mean. It is not a reflection of who I am!

Thank you.

Yeah it is.

[kymac]

How can you say something like that? You're assuming things about her and about me, without even meeting either of us! It's just a projection of your mind. I don't believe this.....

not to be rude.. but you should probably stop accusing people of assuming things.. esp. when you just assumed this girl was attractive, and only had two partners. and you also had never met her.

[Jaffa Cake]

I know what I said was really mean. It is not a reflection of who I am!It's a reflection on how you view others.

I find myself wondering if the decision not to 'take things further' was entirely yours or whether, having met you, she decided you weren't really her type and your bravado now is an attempt to camouflage that.

Personally, I hope she hooks up with the guy behind the counter because he sounds super. :)

[MacDawg]

Personally, I hope she hooks up with the guy behind the counter because he sounds super. :)

You rock Jaffa

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[MegaMillions]

It's a reflection on how you view others.

I find myself wondering if the decision not to 'take things further' was entirely yours or whether, having met you, she decided you weren't really her type and your bravado now is an attempt to camouflage that.

Personally, I hope she hooks up with the guy behind the counter because he sounds super. :)

It was entirely mine. But feel free to believe whatever you want. People believing lies is why there is war in the world. :)

not to be rude.. but you should probably stop accusing people of assuming things.. esp. when you just assumed this girl was attractive, and only had two partners. and you also had never met her.

I never assumed anything. I knew her pictures didn't look so great, but some of them looked alright and I had hoped she would look better in person.

[Krafty]

It was entirely mine. But feel free to believe whatever you want. People believing lies is why there is war in the world. :)

And people who seek sexual education advice over the internet also tell lies. :rolleyes:

[MacDawg]

I never assumed anything. I knew her pictures didn't look so great, but some of them looked alright and I had hoped she would look better in person.

So your sole criteria was her "looks"
You wanted to screw a good looking girl?

That's why there is war in the world

And people who seek sex ual education advice over the internet also tell lies. :rolleyes:

Fixed that for ya'

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[iBlue]

LOLz, okay, MegaSpanky. Whatever you say.

[Krafty]

Fixed that for ya'100% agree on that fix. :cool:

[MegaMillions]

And people who seek sexual education advice over the internet also tell lies. :rolleyes:

But i'm not lying. Obviously you're not going to believe me. But i'm really not. Now I just have to make peace with the fact that you believe something false about me. For some reason that really bugs me. You guys would rather believe false things about me and laugh about them, then actually care to know anything real or true. :)

*sigh*. Oh well. I must make peace with the way you all are.

[Krafty]

But i'm not lying. Obviously you're not going to believe me. But i'm really not. Now I just have to make peace with the fact that you believe something false about me. For some reason that really bugs me. You guys would rather believe false things about me and laugh about them, then actually care to know anything real or true. :)

*sigh*. Oh well. I must make peace with the way you all are.

And maybe tomorrow morning when I walk outside, my anus will spread wings and fly me into space.

[MacDawg]

But i'm not lying. Obviously you're not going to believe me. But i'm really not. Now I just have to make peace with the fact that you believe something false about me. For some reason that really bugs me. You guys would rather believe false things about me and laugh about them, then actually care to know anything real or true. :)

*sigh*. Oh well. I must make peace with the way you all are.


"But... but... I'm not lying
She really was that butt-ugly
and I didn't want to give my pure chaste virginity to someone that fugly"


My friend, you are clearly not ready to share a beautiful, intimate relationship with a tender young lady

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[MegaMillions]

So your sole criteria was her "looks"
You wanted to screw a good looking girl?http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

Another false conclusion. This is really frustrating.

[MacDawg]

I never assumed anything. I knew her pictures didn't look so great, but some of them looked alright and I had hoped she would look better in person.

Another false conclusion. This is really frustrating.

Read your own words my friend

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[MegaMillions]

"But... but... I'm not lying
She really was that butt-ugly
and I didn't want to give my pure chaste virginity to someone that fugly"


My friend, you are clearly not ready to share a beautiful, intimate relationship with a tender young lady

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...and ANOTHER false conclusion. I am more ready than 99.9% of guys my age, to share a beautiful, intimate relationship with a tender young lady. That's why i'm still a virgin. I'm sensitive, caring and honest, and I can't manipulate a girl into bed. I don't do that. I'm not even capable of emotionless sex.

Whereas most guys tell me "who cares if she likes you? who cares if she's ugly? who cares if you have things in common with her? Just screw her!" i'm like "guys, I want it to be real, and sincere, and beautiful" and they call me gay, and that's fine with me. :)

[Krafty]

Read your own words my friend

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Don't argue with a hypocrite, man.

[MegaMillions]

Read your own words my friend

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It's still a false conclusion. I had hoped she would look better in person. That's all.

[MacDawg]

Just a little update.

I hung out with her today. I was more attracted to the man behind the counter at the deli, than I was to her. It seems that no camera can capture her ugliness. And yes, we met online, and I had seen several pictures of her, but none of them looked as bad as the reality. It was honestly a relief looking at the handsome face of the guy behind the counter. And I am 110% straight.

So yeah. For now, I remain a virgin. :)

...and ANOTHER false conclusion. I am more ready than 99.9% of guys my age, to share a beautiful, intimate relationship with a tender young lady. That's why i'm still a virgin. I'm sensitive, caring and honest, and I can't manipulate a girl into bed. I don't do that. I'm not even capable of emotionless sex.

Whereas most guys tell me "who cares if she likes you? who cares if she's ugly? who cares if you have things in common with her? Just screw her!" i'm like "guys, I want it to be real, and sincere, and beautiful" and they call me gay, and that's fine with me. :)


Compare both of your quotes

Something doesn't add up

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[MegaMillions]

Don't argue with a hypocrite, man.

I'm not a hypocrite.

Compare both of your quotes

Something doesn't add up

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Obviously not, because you're seeing the two quotes through the filter of YOUR mind, just like each and every other person in this thread is seeing the two quotes through the filter of THEIR mind. If you could know what's going on inside me, you'd understand and you'd see i'm a perfectly fine, great person! Why would your rather not believe me?

I like saying extreme and rude things sometimes for fun, but it is not a reflection of who I am. Again, why would you rather not believe me? Do you have a need to insult me?

[Krafty]

I'm not a hypocrite.

Yes you are.

I still don't understand why you claim to not care if we don't believe you, yet your trying to hard to convince us otherwise. I told you to just have get the test cause thats about all I could do, I lost whatever respect I had for you (which went from 0 to BEYOND negative) the moment you started spilling her personal life, cause she so asked for that and your degrading words.

I'm still a virgin, I'm 20, and never been in a relationship, and never got asked in bed by another women, but I like my female friends the way they are cause I at least know how women should be treated.


You have a long way to go.

[MegaMillions]

Yes you are.

I still don't understand why you claim to not care if we don't believe you, yet your trying to hard to convince us otherwise. I told you to just have get the test cause thats about all I could do, I lost whatever respect I had for you (which went from 0 to BEYOND negative) the moment you started spilling her personal life, cause she so asked for that and your degrading words.

I'm still a virgin, I'm 20, and never been in a relationship, and never got asked in bed by another women, but I like my female friends the way they are cause I at least know how women should be treated.


You have a long way to go.

Ah, now the truth finally comes out. Whereas I have actually had long and beautiful relationships with abundance of loving physical intimacy, you have never been in a relationship, and you're telling me that I have a long way to go.

[Krafty]

Ah, now the truth finally comes out. Whereas I have actually had long and beautiful relationships with abundance of loving physical intimacy, you have never been in a relationship, and you're telling me that I have a long way to go.

Wonder if I should believe that... :rolleyes:

[MegaMillions]

Wonder if I should believe that... :rolleyes:

You don't have to. I don't really care anymore. If you want, send me a PM and i'll give you proof, but if either of us care that much about this, I think that's a problem in itself.

And I do know how to treat women. My ability to perceive and understand the other person, automatically causes me to treat them more sensitively and sincerely than most guys.

[MacDawg]

Ah, now the truth finally comes out. Whereas I have actually had long and beautiful relationships with abundance of loving physical intimacy, you have never been in a relationship, and you're telling me that I have a long way to go.

don't even start...

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[iBlue]

But i'm not lying. Obviously you're not going to believe me. But i'm really not. Now I just have to make peace with the fact that you believe something false about me. For some reason that really bugs me. You guys would rather believe false things about me and laugh about them, then actually care to know anything real or true. :)

*sigh*. Oh well. I must make peace with the way you all are.

I know all I care to know about you. You harshly judge far too many situations before you fully understand them and have the nerve to be outraged when it doesn't go as you'd hoped. I'm pulling for you with the not spanking (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=8055438#post8055438) thing though.

I'm surprised you're not considering suing (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=671117) this girl for false representation. Maybe you should just chillax (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8031209&postcount=26) on the insults, I mean, no one is perfect (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8017265&postcount=5).

[Krafty]

You don't have to. I don't really care anymore. If you want, send me a PM and i'll give you proof, but if either of us care that much about this, I think that's a problem in itself.

I don't need to, dude. Cause as long as I don't ask for sex help over the internet :eek:, I will ALWAYS be a step ahead of you.

[MegaMillions]

I don't need to, dude. Cause as long as I don't ask for sex help over the internet :eek:, I will ALWAYS be a step ahead of you.

I was asking about how careful I should be in terms of STDs. That's all I was asking.

[MacDawg]

I was asking about how careful I should be in terms of STDs. That's all I was asking.

Answer:
Twelve years old is too young to even be thinking about having sex

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[Krafty]

It's true. Others starting turning it into more than that, and in spite of that there is one Macrumors mod who was gunning for me and pointing out that I just came on here honestly asking for some advice and reassurance.

And then bashing the girl cause her looks didnt outweigh her intelligence for your preference.

It's ok, we "understand."

[MegaMillions]

Answer:
Twelve years old is too young to even be thinking about having sex

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I'm much older than twelve, and i'm definitely ready to have sex. I know I was smart to try and find out just how careful I should be of STDs. I don't regret coming on here and asking a few questions.

And then bashing the girl cause her looks didnt outweigh her intelligence for your preference.

It's ok, we "understand."

Something you'll have to understand about me is that I enjoy coming up with brutal ways of describing ugly people. Is it a stupid thing to enjoy doing? Maybe. Does it reflect me in my entirety? Absolutely not.

[MacDawg]

Something you'll have to understand about me is that I enjoy coming up with brutal ways of describing ugly people. Is it a stupid thing to enjoy doing? Maybe. Does it reflect me in my entirety? Absolutely not.

No, I don't think we do have to understand that

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[Krafty]

I don't laugh at what you say out of insecurity. Who has the upper hand now?

Cause I'm still a step ahead of you, dude! :eek:

[MegaMillions]

No, I don't think we do have to understand that

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

Okay, so you don't have to. That's fine too.

What you'll observe at this point in the thread, is that from this point on i'll be calmly and peacefully pointing out what is true about myself and what is not true. What happened is that I have quickly realized that the way in which I was speaking does not vibe well with the community here, and since that of course was not the entirety of my personality, I am now able to shift away from that and behave in a way that might be more socially acceptable. I'm pointing this out because it seems like a lot of you keep pinning me to my previous posts in spite of the drastic change in personality in tone in the later posts.

[annk]

I think this thread has run the course of its usefulness now.