The Obama Deception (Critiques? Comments? Thoughts?)

[Tesselator]

The Obama Deception HQ Full length version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&feature=fvw) 2,683,506 views (July 15th 09)

Critiques? Comments? Thoughts?

Please, only the serious minded need contribute.

"The greatest enemy of clear language, learning, and needed constructive change, is insincerity."
-JDP

[NT1440]

I stopped the second the NWO in the description met my eyes.

[Tesselator]

So, self-censorship? Hmm, I wonder where that comes from, training?

How come you don't like that term anyway?

[.Andy]

Is there anything the new world order hasn't got it's hands on these days?

[Macky-Mac]

Is there anything the new world order hasn't got it's hands on these days?

hmmmmm......so you think maybe they're behind sarah palin's sudden resignation? :eek:

[.Andy]

hmmmmm......so you think maybe they're behind sarah palin's sudden resignation? :eek:
If only we had an email address for the new world order we could ask them. Perhaps Tesselator knows where the leaders hang out?

(p.s. I tried newworldorder@hotmail.com but didn't get a reply)

[ceezy3000]

If only we had an email address for the new world order we could ask them. Perhaps Tesselator knows where the leaders hang out?

(p.s. I tried newworldorder@hotmail.com but didn't get a reply)

i'd try gmail since googles gonna take over the world pretty soon.
Yea I've seen that video, I think there are some truths to it but theres also other factors that still lead me to support obama. Hes the lesser of the two evils. I'd rather have a puppet than an old senile man and a pinup girl

[Tesselator]

Is there anything the new world order hasn't got it's hands on these days?

Good question. But the film isn't really about the NWO. It's more about the current economical state of the USA and Obama's relationship to Wall street and their masters, the international bankers. NWO is just another term for those self-same international bankers - who in fact share many common goals. That those goals are global in scale gives them the name NWO. I believe the term first appeared to the western world (in a big way) in a book by the same title by HG Wells "The New World Order (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_hgwells.htm)" which itself was commissioned by an international bank funded foundation. The phrase was used earlier as well, in Austria and Germany just prior to WWII however, and popularly used in many many political speeches of the day. It can also be found in newspaper headlines just prior in phrases kinda like Aldolf's New World Order Gains France. LOL

Whatever we call it Thomas Jefferson has been credited with depicting it's motive and direction best in a now famous but non-existing, letter to Albert Gallatin the then Secretary of the US Treasury, in 1802 - as follows:

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

This quotation is actually a culmination of misquoted remarks Jefferson did in fact commit to pen and paper:

Jefferson in a letter to John Taylor (1816), wrote,

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity [the future generations - implied] on a large scale."

And later in letter to John Wayles Eppes on a similar topic:
"Bank-paper must be suppressed, and the circulating medium must be restored to the nation to whom it belongs."

:D Well, at least the gist is about right... :p


EDIT: I did ask you guys to keep is serious, right? Please do. Watch the film and give any "Critiques, Comments, or Thoughts" you might have or please refrain from posting in this thread. Start your own thread if you would like to poke fun at me or the NWO or whatever... Heck, I'll even join you. :)

[leekohler]

Good question. But the film isn't really about the NWO. It's more about the current economical state of the USA and Obama's relationship to Wall street and their masters, the international bankers. NWO is just another term for those self-same international bankers - who in fact share many common goals. That those goals are global in scale gives them the name NWO. I believe the term first appeared to the western world (in a big way) in a book by the same title by HG Wells "The New World Order (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_hgwells.htm)" which itself was commissioned by an international bank funded foundation. The phrase was used earlier as well, in Austria and Germany just prior to WWII however, and popularly used in many many political speeches of the day. It can also be found in newspaper headlines just prior in phrases kinda like Aldolf's New World Order Gains France. LOL

Whatever we call it Thomas Jefferson has been credited with depicting it's motive and direction best in a now famous but non-existing, letter to Albert Gallatin the then Secretary of the US Treasury, in 1802 - as follows:

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

This quotation is actually a culmination of misquoted remarks Jefferson did in fact commit to pen and paper:

Jefferson in a letter to John Taylor (1816), wrote,

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity [the future generations - implied] on a large scale."

And later in letter to John Wayles Eppes on a similar topic:
"Bank-paper must be suppressed, and the circulating medium must be restored to the nation to whom it belongs."

:D Well, at least the gist is about right... :p


EDIT: I did ask you guys to keep is serious, right? Please do. Watch the film and give any "Critiques, Comments, or Thoughts" you might have or please refrain from posting in this thread. Start your own thread if you would like to poke fun at me or the NWO or whatever... Heck, I'll even join you. :)

If you want people to respond seriously, then post something serious on which to comment. This is nothing more than paranoid conspiracy theory- very dramatized, I might add. You might as well have put up a video about the twin towers being blown up by Bush.

[Sdashiki]

Im sorry but the constant "LOOK AT WHAT OBAMA'S DOING/DONE! HES THE ANTICHRIST" hyperbole is getting super-old.

Its only been like 6 months since he took office and the "haters" are already coming out with crap that shouldnt be written until its actually happened.

[Sky Blue]

Which brand of tin foil is the best?

[skunk]

But the film isn't really about the NWO. It's more about the current economical state of the USA and Obama's relationship to Wall street and their masters, the international bankers. NWO is just another term for those self-same international bankersOh, it's the International Jewish Conspiracy. Right. You should have said. Makes it so much easier to see where you're coming from. Do you have a Final Solution to this problem?

[yg17]

Which brand of tin foil is the best?

The generic store brands work great for keeping your food fresh, however, Reynolds is the best at protecting you from evil government conspiracies.

Oh, it's the International Jewish Conspiracy. Right. You should have said. Makes it so much easier to see where you're coming from. Do you have a Final Solution to this problem?

Blaming it on the Jews is soooo 1939. Now everything is the Muslims' fault.

[NT1440]

So, self-censorship? Hmm, I wonder where that comes from, training?

How come you don't like that term anyway?

What did I censor? I've seen far too many of those nutjob movies to take them seriously anymore.

[rdowns]

Sitting down to watch it now.


http://guermonprez.eu/paul/blog/public/images/etc/tin-foil-hat.jpg

[Iscariot]

Is there anything the new world order hasn't got it's hands on these days?

No, we're everywhere.

Yes, Sarah Palin was us.

[NT1440]

Oh, it's the International Jewish Conspiracy. Right. You should have said. Makes it so much easier to see where you're coming from. Do you have a Final Solution to this problem?

Skunk, I'd like to thank you for making me laugh so hard that I ended up coughing up a good amount of the leftover gunk in my lungs from when I had pneumonia and bronchitis.:p

[Desertrat]

Stuff like this brings to mind books like "None Dare Call It Treason" or Haley's "A Texan Looks At Lyndon". Some facts are brought in, and they're indeed facts, but then the conclusions go way beyond rationality. It's particularly true insofar as motivations and conspiracies. Ergo, "tinfoil hattery" becomes the label.

Now, insofar as Obama and the big investment banks, there's a goodly amount of truth in accusations that he's right in there with them. The same names have been in and out of the White House since before Obama, however. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama: Same group of people have been advising as to monetary policy. All you have to do is look at who worked when and at which firm or agency.

Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin, Paulson, Geithner and Emanuel come immediately to mind. They've all been involved with Wall Street as well as K Street. They pretty much think the same way about financial affairs, based on their policy decisions. It's the usual richer-than-most good ol' boy network. Odds are, whoever follows Obama will be influenced by the same general set of advisors. Different names but same general polices.

[abijnk]

Well, first of all, it gets the date of the election wrong. Starting around the five minute mark the narrator says, "America, in 2009, was desperate for change." This is a clear reference to the election. However, during the entire year of 2009 we knew who the new president would be. We were desperate for change in 2008, and that's when we voted in Obama. Its small inconsistencies like this that completely undermine any possible sense of validity a film like this might have.

*back to watching*

Secondly, the constant use of President Obama's middle name is a very thinly veiled attempt to sway the listener's mind against him. Everybody, including the makers of this film and all who are likely to view it, know that the name Hussein is viewed negatively. Not only for being a Muslim name, but also for being the surname of Saddam Hussein. If you want to be taken seriously, or to be listened to with an open mind, you shouldn't make such obvious attempts to bias the viewer.

Third, at around the 12:25 mark the guy speaking says that Obama has not appointed anyone from outside Wallstreet. He goes on to list a bunch of areas that he says Obama has not pulled appointees from, and one of these categories he lists is women. This could not be more false. Obama has appointed several women, probably most prominently Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. That's just a blatant inaccuracy that is not corrected or addressed.

Ok, so it completely lost me at the 15:00 mark. By this time there have been several inaccuracies, blatant biases, and to top it all off they present a theory about the Kennedy assassination as pure fact. While I'll be the first to admit that the Kennedy assassination is suspicious at the very least I am levelheaded enough to know that no one knows the true answer. To present the theory that he was assassinated for trying to do away with the federal reserve as 100% through and through fact is absurd and completely destroys whatever credibility this film might possibly have had left.

Its pretty sad that it only took 15 minutes. I was honestly trying to listen to this objectively, but you can only present so many ridiculous theories as fact before my brain hurts.

OP, if you want to have a serious discussion about a political film then post a serious political film. One with fact checking and proof, not just theories presented as fact.

[Tesselator]

Finally some intelligent posts. And in the back of my mind I'm wondering what kind of mods disrespect their users like this (prior to these last two posts I mean)? Some guy asks for serious replies and gets sophomoric regurgitations on level with poo-poo humor. Umm, yeah.. right. K.


Stuff like this brings to mind books like "None Dare Call It Treason" or Haley's "A Texan Looks At Lyndon". Some facts are brought in, and they're indeed facts, but then the conclusions go way beyond rationality. It's particularly true insofar as motivations and conspiracies. Ergo, "tinfoil hattery" becomes the label.

Yeah that tends to be the knee-jerk reactions alright - myself included. In the same breath however I'm asking myself how bad it has to get before that changes or if it ever will - or indeed if it ever should. I mean, the facts are there for sure. Military on the streets, concentration-like camps, the loss of many of our liberties, insane gun control legislation, and stuff I never thought I would see in my lifetime: like imprisonments without due-process. I look at the histories of other nations that went nuts like Germany, and Russia and it started out just about the same as we're seeing now in the states. So then I have to reconsider my knee-jerk reactions and take due-diligence as a human being not subscribed to the same policies and actions of countries like those.

What the future will be no one knows but it's very clear to me that we determine the outcome. Are the conclusions outlandish? I dunno, probably some are, but I believe it's our citizenary duty to make certain that isn't actually the case and try and put a stop to it if it is.

Thus i think things like this should be discussed in a serious manner under as much sunlight as possible. Sitting at our desks and putting tinfoil on top of our heads serves no purpose but to increase the flea population. Not to mention that people doing this may be subject to imprisonment under the newly formed legislation. :eek: Since I don't think anyone wants that nor thinks it's sane, don't the good readers here think it should be looked at and discussed seriously?


Now, insofar as Obama and the big investment banks, there's a goodly amount of truth in accusations that he's right in there with them. The same names have been in and out of the White House since before Obama, however. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama: Same group of people have been advising as to monetary policy. All you have to do is look at who worked when and at which firm or agency.

Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin, Paulson, Geithner and Emanuel come immediately to mind. They've all been involved with Wall Street as well as K Street. They pretty much think the same way about financial affairs, based on their policy decisions. It's the usual richer-than-most good ol' boy network. Odds are, whoever follows Obama will be influenced by the same general set of advisors. Different names but same general polices.

Yup, very true. Excellent points. But I think the conspiracy guys would use the same explanation to promote their point of view as well. Right? That this "banking elite" whoever, has been behind the scenes and steering foreign and domestic policies for a VERY long time and that's the problem. [This film suggests that it became a problem around the turn of the century 1900 or so.] Especially since their allegiance doesn't appear to be for the people - which is what our government is supposed to be all about. Right? We all know The Preamble (I hope): "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. "

Even the political villains of the era such as Lincoln, know and abided this or at least gave it lip service. "...these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."


Well, first of all, it gets the date of the election wrong. Starting around the five minute mark the narrator says, "America, in 2009, was desperate for change." This is a clear reference to the election. However, during the entire year of 2009 we knew who the new president would be. We were desperate for change in 2008, and that's when we voted in Obama. Its small inconsistencies like this that completely undermine any possible sense of validity a film like this might have.

Agree, I think he probably meant to say "...by 2009 the people were desperate..."

*back to watching*

Secondly, the constant use of President Obama's middle name is a very thinly veiled attempt to sway the listener's mind against him. Everybody, including the makers of this film and all who are likely to view it, know that the name Hussein is viewed negatively. Not only for being a Muslim name, but also for being the surname of Saddam Hussein. If you want to be taken seriously, or to be listened to with an open mind, you shouldn't make such obvious attempts to bias the viewer.

Yup, there's no doubting that the film-maker has an agenda. One of my purposes in bringing this here is to discuss whether or not that agenda is justified or justifiable. Here's a political-humor piece I got in the mail from a friend just today:

Ah, sorry to bother you Mr. Obama, Sir. . .

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Humor_Etc/Columbo.jpg

Excuse me Mr. Obama, I mean President Obama, Sir. Um . . I know you're
busy, and important and stuff. I mean, running the county is very important
and -- ah -- I hate to bother you, Sir. I will only take a minute. Ok, Sir?
See, I have these missing pieces that are holding me up, and I was wondering,
Sir, if you could take time out of your busy schedule and help me out. You know,
no big deal, just some loose ends and things.

Hey, you have a nice place here! The wife sees houses like this on TV all the
time and says, boy, she wishes she had digs like this, you know?
Is that painting real? Really? Wow! I saw something like that in a museum once.
Oh, sorry Sir. I didn't mean to get off the track. So if you could just help me
out a minute and give me some details, I will get right out of your way.
I want to close this case and maybe take the wife to Coney Island or
something. Ever been to Coney Island Sir? No? I didn't think so...
Well, listen, anyway, I can't seem to get some information I need
to wrap this up. These things seem to either be "Not released"
or "Not available." I'm sure it's just an oversight or glitch or
something, so if you could you tell me where these things
are -- I -- I have them written down here somewhere -- oh wait.
Sorry about the smears. It was raining out. I'll just read it to you.
Could you please help me find these things, Sir?

Occidental College records -- Not released
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available"
Harvard College records -- Not released
Selective Service Registration -- Not released
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available
Your Illinois State Senate records -- Not available
Law practice client list -- Not released
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
Record of your baptism -- Not available

Oh and one more thing Mr. President, I can't seem to find any articles you
published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the
University of Chicago. Can you explain that to me, Sir?

Oh, but hey -- listen! I know you're busy! If this is too much for you right
now -- I mean -- tell you what. I'll come back tomorrow. Give you some
time to get these things together, you know? I mean, I know you're busy.
I'll just let myself out. I'll be back tomorrow. And the day after. . .

What's that Mr. President? Who wants to know these things?
We the People of the United States of America ! You know, the ones that vote.



So there definitely is an agenda but the justifications and goals are? :confused: I don't think it's a smear campaign against the office or the person though. (Not really sure.) Rather I think it's attempting to show the phoniness and the level of corruption of our current political body at the federal level. The whole works. At least that's how I take these things.


Third, at around the 12:25 mark the guy speaking says that Obama has not appointed anyone from outside Wallstreet. He goes on to list a bunch of areas that he says Obama has not pulled appointees from, and one of these categories he lists is women. This could not be more false. Obama has appointed several women, probably most prominently Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. That's just a blatant inaccuracy that is not corrected or addressed.

Oooh, excellent catch. I noticed that statement too but I didn't know why at the time. I see it now tho. Good one.


Ok, so it completely lost me at the 15:00 mark. By this time there have been several inaccuracies, blatant biases, and to top it all off they present a theory about the Kennedy assassination as pure fact. While I'll be the first to admit that the Kennedy assassination is suspicious at the very least I am levelheaded enough to know that no one knows the true answer. To present the theory that he was assassinated for trying to do away with the federal reserve as 100% through and through fact is absurd and completely destroys whatever credibility this film might possibly have had left.

I agree. And also from 15min. in to about the 30min. mark it's riddled with meaningless paranoia. The whole "We're being followed" and "Oh, is that the Queen" set of clips should be cut completely. It become more serious again after that though.

Its pretty sad that it only took 15 minutes. I was honestly trying to listen to this objectively, but you can only present so many ridiculous theories as fact before my brain hurts.

OP, if you want to have a serious discussion about a political film then post a serious political film. One with fact checking and proof, not just theories presented as fact.

Then there's almost no films post-able. They ALL have errors and make assumptions. Some of the assumptions are ludicrous and some of them are accepted as "known facts" just depending on who's watching. For example I myself am very very convinced that factions within the CIA (aka, shadow government) bumped off Kennedy and basically the same or similar minded, group probably did Lincoln. That probably doesn't need to be rehashed in this thread but it kinda shows you that it's the audience that determines the level of absurdity of any assumptions made in films like this and I haven't seen a political film - ever - that didn't make assumptions or get a few facts wrong. TV News is even worst! Gawd, that's pathetic. So for example when that Kennedy clip went by I noticed that the wording used was inappropriately authoritative and assuming but paid it no serious mind because I think along similar lines on that topic.

You're point is excellent in that it demonstrates a fundamental failure of the film and film maker to expand his audience or reach minds of dissimilar ilk. People who are not convinced about the details of the Kennedy assignation for whatever reasons will be immediately turned off. And in your case I guess tuned out?

Anyway, thank you both for taking the time to consider in an adult manner the topic here and share your thoughts on the film. It's (evidentially) rare, and appreciated!

Thanks.

[.Andy]

The value of a thread is inversely proportional to the number of political youtube videos to the power of the number of conservative chain emails squared.

[edesignuk]

Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
Record of your baptism -- Not available
:confused: How are these important?

[yg17]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/yg17/lolcatsdotcomiy0hwr7nqv87ch3g.jpg

[iBlue]

:confused: How are these important?

All the straw-graspers are wishing he wasn't born in the US because that would technically disqualify him to be president. It's pathetic desperation.

I have NO idea what the baptism thing has to do with anything, but if Barack wants mine, he can have it. It's had no affect on my life.

I don't see what his medical records have to do with anything either.

[Tesselator]

:confused: How are these important?

I dunno, I'm wasn't speculating the actual points. I suppose as a steward of the people it's a legal requirement or certainly a moral imperative. I added it just as an example of an attack style that probably has more to do with the state of the federal government than the man.

[freeny]

Im sorry but the constant "LOOK AT WHAT OBAMA'S DOING/DONE! HES THE ANTICHRIST" hyperbole is getting super-old.

Its only been like 6 months since he took office and the "haters" are already coming out with crap that shouldnt be written until its actually happened.

It was being written even before he took office, remember? ;)

[arkitect]

I dunno, I'm wasn't speculating the actual points. I suppose as a steward of the people it's a legal requirement or certainly a moral imperative. I added it just as an example of an attack style that probably has more to do with the state of the federal government than the man.

"Record of your baptism" = "Moral imperative"
Since when?
:rolleyes:

[Tesselator]

"Record of your baptism" = "Moral imperative"
Since when?
:rolleyes:

I dunno. Why is this minor detail important to you? Anyway I think it's the law that he has to reveal all that kinda stuff. I guess he's not - so technically it's a crime. I don't really know. I haven't looked into it. That's not at all important to me. I have no idea what people would want that information for other than just to know but if it's a requirement and he's not doing it then he's essentially flipping the bird to the people. That's not really good, right? I guess that's why people are making an issue of it. Not the actual information itself.

I'm more concerned with issues like:


Massive bailouts
Takeovers in the auto industry
Moves to implement socialized medicine
More power to the FED
All the 180's, flip-flops and lies.
War and our troops
etc.

Aren't you?



.

[yg17]

All the straw-graspers are wishing he wasn't born in the US because that would technically disqualify him to be president. It's pathetic desperation.

And it's a BS argument because Obama's mother was a US citizen. He could've been born on Mars and he would still be a natural US citizen at birth because his mother is. John McCain was born in Panama, but because his parents were US citizens, he is also a natural citizen and no one made a big deal about that during the election.

[Tesselator]

Yes they did!

It was a pretty huge deal for a great many folks.

[Teh Don Ditty]

@yg17 That's because John McCain can do no harm as he was a POW. :rolleyes:

Note: I'm not saying what happened to him is excusable, nor would I wish it upon anybody. POW ≠ Ability to lead a country

[obeygiant]

I, for one, welcome our new Obama overlords.

[yg17]

Yes they did!

It was a pretty huge deal for a great many folks.

No, I never heard any of those BS conspiracy theories and if John McCain won I doubt all of the wingnuts like Alan Keyes, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Orly Taitz would be saying a damn word about it. They just don't like a liberal black guy in office and will find any ************ excuse to claim he's not really president.

[MacNut]

And it's a BS argument because Obama's mother was a US citizen. He could've been born on Mars and he would still be a natural US citizen at birth because his mother is. John McCain was born in Panama, but because his parents were US citizens, he is also a natural citizen and no one made a big deal about that during the election.I thought you have to be born on US soil. Does it matter that the mother is a US citizen? If he was born on Mars wouldn't that make him a Martian? McCain was born on US soil as a Navy base is considered part of the US. Maybe I am wrong but I thought they go by babies place of birth not mothers place of birth? Or is it born to US parents?

[yg17]

I thought you have to be born on US soil. Does it matter that the mother is a US citizen? If he was born on Mars wouldn't that make him a Martian? McCain was born on US soil as a Navy base is considered part of the US. Maybe I am wrong but I thought they go by babies place of birth not mothers place of birth? Or is it born to US parents?


I was always under the impression that it's the parents.

Now, if 2 US citizens living abroad give birth to a child and the child doesn't move back to the US until he's 30, then I would imagine there's a legit argument against him or her being president, but someone isn't diqualified from being president because their mother gave birth while temporarily out of the country.

I do sometimes wonder if the law needs to be looked at again, take the governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, for example. She was born in Canada, to Canadian parents and was not a natural US citizen. But she moved to the US with her family when she was 4 years old and has lived here ever since. It seems kinda ridiculous to say she can't be president when she has lived here pretty much her entire life.

[Ugg]

I thought you have to be born on US soil. Does it matter that the mother is a US citizen? If he was born on Mars wouldn't that make him a Martian? McCain was born on US soil as a Navy base is considered part of the US. Maybe I am wrong but I thought they go by babies place of birth not mothers place of birth? Or is it born to US parents?

I believe that in the 30s when McCain was born, he wouldn't have been able to become president. However, the law has changed since then which allowed him to run.

If an American couple are vacationing in Germany and the woman unexpectedly gives birth in a German hospital, the child is American. However, the child may when he turns 18, pursue German citizenship. Being born in another country is only part of the equation.

[Tesselator]

No, I never heard any of those BS conspiracy theories and if John McCain won I doubt all of the wingnuts like Alan Keyes, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Orly Taitz would be saying a damn word about it. They just don't like a liberal black guy in office and will find any ************ excuse to claim he's not really president.

Really? I heard it from ALL those guys! They were even saying that he was brainwashed by the kong to be "The Manchurian Candidate". They hosed him HARD about his birth records. His I believe were certified and made public tho. A little different from Ohbummer.

Here's a recording from the EARLY pre-election days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvXEsW4Fgg

They also burned Hillary for her communistic loyalties, the drug smuggling, and the murders "Billery" pulled as state representatives.



To me personally I view them as the same. They will do as they are told and neither has any actual power at all. P-u-p-p-e-t-!

Either might be in control enough to push some utterly meaningless legislation but for the important stuff that will actually affect our lives or the direction of the country - nope. If either (as president) tried to do something "their way" we would see another assassination on TV or they would have "a heart attack" or something.

Seriously I thought there were no fools still believing that there were actually two parties? Some of the smaller parties may not have been assimilated yet but D=R R=D, L=R R=L and pretty much anyone with a brain can see that. Are there still deluded folks believing otherwise?

[Tesselator]

I believe that in the 30s when McCain was born, he wouldn't have been able to become president. However, the law has changed since then which allowed him to run.

If an American couple are vacationing in Germany and the woman unexpectedly gives birth in a German hospital, the child is American. However, the child may when he turns 18, pursue German citizenship. Being born in another country is only part of the equation.

Really? Got a link to this new law? I've never heard such a thing. For citizenship the laws have changed many times but to hold higher public office in the US federal government? I don't think so. Or can you show us?

I'm fairly sure it's the US Soil thing that MacNut is saying... Still even today. And maybe (but not sure) that includes Mum & Dad too...

[bamaworks]

Occidental College records -- Not released
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available"
Harvard College records -- Not released
Medical records -- Not released
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
Record of your baptism -- Not available



Honestly, can we give the man some privacy? His professional career can be scrutinized and should be available for review, that is just fine and, in fact, desired. But these listed documents are his private information (ESPECIALLY Medical Records, HIPAA anyone?). I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want anyone looking over MY college records, my thesis, or my medical records / certificates. And really, who cares if he was baptized? Irrelevent.

[yg17]

Really? I heard it from ALL those guys! They were even saying that he was brainwashed by the kong to be "The Manchurian Candidate". They hosed him HARD about his birth records. His I believe were certified and made public tho. A little different from Ohbummer.

Find me a video clip or article or something with the likes of Limbaugh or Hannity making the claim that McCain can't be president because he was born in Panama. Back up your claims with facts or don't make the claims.

[arkitect]

I thought you have to be born on US soil.

So I guess Americans then have to go on holiday with a bag of hallowed soil? Like Dracula?
Just in case… don't wanna jeopardise little Joe or Annie's future as president.
What a silly law.

[Tesselator]

All the straw-graspers are wishing he wasn't born in the US....

John McCain was born in Panama, but because his parents were US citizens, he is also a natural citizen and no one made a big deal about that...

Yes they did!
It was a pretty huge deal for a great many folks.

No, I never heard any of those BS conspiracy theories and if John McCain won I doubt all of the wingnuts like Alan Keyes, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Orly Taitz would be saying a damn word about it. They just don't like a liberal...

Really? I heard it from ALL those guys [Ed. wingnuts and straw-graspers - implied]! They (see video as to who "they" refers to == "all those guys" == wingnuts & straw-graspers) were even saying that he was brainwashed by the kong to be "The Manchurian Candidate". They hosed him HARD about his birth records. His I believe were certified and made public tho. A little different from Ohbummer.

Here's a recording from the EARLY pre-election days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvXEsW4Fgg


Find me a video clip or article or something with the likes of Limbaugh or Hannity making the claim that McCain can't be president because he was born in Panama. Back up your claims with facts or don't make the claims.

I know the mods in this sub-forum like to exercise their power so I guess I'll either be banned or hounded for this but: I'll put up if you will.

You wrote this:

"And it's a BS argument because Obama's mother was a US citizen. He could've been born on Mars and he would still be a natural US citizen at birth because his mother is."
and in your own words: "Back up your claims with facts or don't make the claims." Find me an official document that says anything like this.

So in good faith, here's mine first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvXEsW4Fgg
http://www.infowars.com/does-mccains-birthplace-rule-him-out/
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=7574

(Taps fingers and waits to be banned :))
Hehehe...

--

[yg17]

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Now, where's Hannity, Limbaugh, Taitz and all these other mainstream wingnuts whining about John McCain's eligibility? A few Ron Paul conspiracy theorists blogging on the internet don't count.

[leekohler]

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Now, where's Hannity, Limbaugh, Taitz and all these other mainstream wingnuts whining about John McCain's eligibility? A few Ron Paul conspiracy theorists blogging on the internet don't count.

Oh- I'm sure they'll find something else. :rolleyes:

Hmm ... the OP got suddenly silent. ;)

[WinterMute]

Finally some intelligent posts. And in the back of my mind I'm wondering what kind of mods disrespect their users like this (prior to these last two posts I mean)? Some guy asks for serious replies and gets sophomoric regurgitations on level with poo-poo humor. Umm, yeah.. right. K.


know the mods in this sub-forum like to exercise their power so I guess I'll either be banned or hounded for this but: I'll put up if you will.

No mod has posted to this thread before me, what's your point?

You will only be moderated for breaking the rules, as everyone else is.

You want serious replies? As has been said, post some serious content.

I watched your film, I like a good conspiracy theory (Bush didn't drop the twin towers, that was clearly Cheany...;)), but this is just poorly presented rabble rousing.

[Macky-Mac]

No mod has posted to this thread before me, what's your point?

You will only be moderated for breaking the rules, as everyone else is.

You want serious replies? As has been said, post some serious content.

I watched your film, I like a good conspiracy theory (Bush didn't drop the twin towers, that was clearly Cheany...;)), but this is just poorly presented rabble rousing.

clearly you're part of the conspiracy!! :D

[mgguy]

So did Tesselator get banned for his post? Just asking; it helps to understand what is allowed here and what isn't.

[NT1440]

So did Tesselator get banned for his post? Just asking; it helps to understand what is allowed here and what isn't.

If he had been banned it would say it under his name. You know the rules here, it doesn't matter what your stance is as long as you dont break rules and backup what you say.

[Iscariot]

Loyal citizens of Eternia! I know that there are concerns over the legitimacy of the Prince, but I am here to assuage your fears. Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic sword and said 'By the power of Greyskull!' and I became He-Man the most powerful man in the universe. I know many of you fair citizens are concerned that Prince Adam's middle name is Skeletor, but as I have born witness he is indeed of no relation the foul Evil Lord of Destruction. I realize that many of you are aware of Skeletor's insidious deeds -- and also that he was once a human named Keldor, who sought to master magic and was lost into a dimension beyond time! -- and would like to see him brought to justice at the hands of He-Man and the mercy of our great King Randor. Channeling the immense powers of the The Power Sword with the help of the Sorceress of Castle Grayskull, I have been able to divine that Prince Adam is in fact the rightful heir to the throne, and that Skeletor is a meanie and a bit of a boob. I urge you to ignore the prattling of this madman while the chemists of Eternia search for a cure for his terrible affliction.

[skunk]

Have they changed your medication again?

[NT1440]

Have they changed your medication again?

I think it was supposed to play off the parallels between Obama and He-man, mainly the middle name thing?:confused:

I think.

[ecstasy]

I don't see what his medical records have to do with anything either.

They want to know how that ganja got him to obtain President of the USA status.

;)

[Tesselator]

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Now, where's Hannity, Limbaugh, Taitz and all these other mainstream wingnuts whining about John McCain's eligibility? A few Ron Paul conspiracy theorists blogging on the internet don't count.

<does the Jedi wave> These aren't the wingnuts you're looking for...

[Tesselator]

I watched your film, I like a good conspiracy theory (Bush didn't drop the twin towers, that was clearly Cheany...;)), but this is just poorly presented rabble rousing.

LOL!!!

Yeah, poor quality. I agree. But I don't think all of the content is wrong or mistaken. I guess only about 10% is off - and most of that is little points like whether or not women were appointed - or if you can consider Billary as representing women :p. I posted it not really to criticize it for that 10% but I though maybe I could get some comments and/or corrections about the other 90% at the same time... especially the overall theme - which I think is the social engineering aspect of our fake "right left two party system" in concurrency with "the banking elite" or whatever we're to call them.

So for me at least the content is indeed very serious - well, ~90% or so. That a few mods or users are reluctant to acknowledge that frustrates the purpose of the thread a bit. As seems to be evident from the replies so far I guess it has more to do with the political affiliations real or perceived, that the majority here wish to identify themselves with (buying into the false right/left paradigm).

When I look closely I see a hijacked political system that has been increasingly getting out of the hands of the people since the early 1900's and now is so out of our control it's aiming (or being used as an instrument) for global domination in a very inhuman and repressive way. The film to me, however poorly presented, is another look into that basic circumstance.


To me it's really strange that in the face of such a presentation all we choose to discuss is the importance of a few medical records and such. This must be what is meant by: Can't see the forest for the trees.

[opinioncircle]

I'm all about various opinions, but once I watched the first 7 minutes of that thing, I felt like it was just a pile of non sense.

[WinterMute]

So for me at least the content is indeed very serious - well, ~90% or so. That a few mods or users are reluctant to acknowledge that frustrates the purpose of the thread a bit.

I completely agree IF you assume the information in the film is factual, it isn't. Like the vast majority of conspiracy theories it's just nonsense.

Again, I'm the only mod posting here, this is not a conspiracy by the mods to stifle the truth.

[skunk]

Again, I'm the only mod posting here, this is not a conspiracy by the mods to stifle the truth.You would say that, wouldn't you? ;)

[Tesselator]

I'm all about various opinions, but once I watched the first 7 minutes of that thing, I felt like it was just a pile of non sense.

Watch it to the end and tell us what you think then.

[Tesselator]

You would say that, wouldn't you? ;)

I count 9 mods just on the first page. WTF?!?!?!

[rdowns]

I count 9 mods just on the first page. WTF?!?!?!


Demi gods are NOT moderators.

[LethalWolfe]

Demi gods are NOT moderators.
To expand on this ('cause I'm sure the Q is, "WTF is a Demi-God?", Demi-gods are forum members that have made a financial contribution to MR.


Lethal

[Tesselator]

Oh, :o

OK, my bad. :D

[Tesselator]

I completely agree IF you assume the information in the film is factual, it isn't. Like the vast majority of conspiracy theories it's just nonsense.

Really? See this is where you and I disagree. I'm reasonably sure it's more accurate than not. Again the movie isn't really about Obama as much as it is about his handlers and their agenda. As is pointed out in the film that agenda is world government and eugenics. Well in a nutshell anyway. And one has to be completely blind or willfully ignorant not to notice the rapid progression of either toward it's respective goal over the past 10 or 15 years. One would have to be completely out of touch with reality all together not to know of these in a historical perspective. If it's so embedded and prevalent in history over just the past 100 years why would anyone be stupid enough to think that it's suddenly no longer the case? Why would anyone think that this basic train of thought (as presented in the film) was "nonsense" unless they were out of touch, willfully ignorant, blind, carelessly apathetic, of suffering from some kind of mental handicap? I'm not trying to offend anyone but how can our views of the world we live in be so different otherwise? One party or the other has to be insane no matter how we look at it otherwise. It's like I hand someone a blue piece of paper and they reply: There are no colors and there's no such thing as paper. :confused:

It's very perplexing to me. There it is. It's in my hand. I'm attempting to hand it to you. And there no such thing?

Take just eugenics as a side topic. I hear broadcasts like this one daily: http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Audio/AJ-7-17-09.mp3

When I research this information I do indeed find that 90% of it checks out. The documentation for the robot being talked about doesn't actually mention dead humans as an energy source, and I can't verify anything about DU shots from space in writing but all the rest checks out - I think he got one name wrong too. For the space comments toward the end I myself had clearance enough and worked on a few things to at least know what he might be talking about. So while he might have a few details wrong on that topic he's generally correct. My work in that area ended in the mid 70's and it was already very very far along then.

I see things like this: http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-science-advisor-called-for-planetary-regime-to-enforce-totalitarian-population-control-measures.html and my mind doesn't go: Oh, Conspiracy Theory. It goes: Yep they've done that already 5 or 6 times just in this century - they're doing it again? And this time it's open enough and there's enough media channels at my disposal that I can document it as it unfolds. No theory about it and it's certainly not nonsensical!

Just from one source in just the past week or so the amount of detailed and referenced information on that topic alone is a bit staggering:

http://www.infowars.com/obama-science-czars-plan-to-sterilize-population-through-water-supply-already-happening/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-population-reduction-agenda-for-dummies.html
http://www.infowars.com/undermining-human-nature-mass-media-eugenics/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-paul-joseph-watson-obama-czars-nightmarish-sterilization-plan.html

And again all of it comes with the same ~90% accuracy when I go into verification mode. And there's 4 or 5 very astute and unrelated sources just that I know of just on this topic. All with information that is verifiable to about 90% accurate. Again we don't know the future but I can see what's happening today and verify it. And I know what happened in the past and that too is verifiable. I'm baffled that others can't. Or maybe it's just that they won't. Either way it's disturbing to me that our worlds are so differently perceived. My struggle isn't over whether or not it's true - it's over how much is true and what are the actual intensions and the realistic implications of the information being presented.

To call the information itself nonsense is like telling me there are no colors and there's no such thing as paper. Umm, there's no way I'm agreeing with that and it just makes me think there's something wrong with the person saying that - or that there's something wrong with me. And of course I gravitate toward the former! :p

[Tesselator]

The documentation for the robot being talked about doesn't actually mention dead humans as an energy source,

EDIT: Here it is. And Fox has "revised" the story now LOL.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/07/15/pentagon-intrigued-by-battlefield-robots-that-feed-on-human-flesh.aspx


"Biomass-Eating Military Robot Is a Vegetarian, Company Says"

The story that originally appeared at this address has been revised.

Click here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533382,00.html) to read the revised story

[Iscariot]

Really? See this is where you and I disagree. I'm reasonably sure it's more accurate than not.

It isn't. It is in fact nonsense.


The quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln is fraudulent;
"Where did you come up with the number $700 billion." is presented dishonestly — this event occurred under the Bush administration;
"Agents of the Bank of England attempted to assassinate President Andrew Jackson on multiple occasions because of his resistance against a private central bank." Jackson's attempted assassin was actually an out of work house painter;
"Obama's inner circle is made up entirely of Wall Street insiders"; except

Secretary of Energy Steven Chu;
Hillary Clinton;
Hilda L. Solis of Labor;
nominee Kathleen Sebelius of HHS; and
Janet Napolitano of DHS.

"Woodrow Wilson regretted instituting the Fed" is not true and was debunked in 2007; and
Executive Order 11110 was actually about issuing silver certificates


That's just the first 20 minutes.

[WinterMute]

You would say that, wouldn't you? ;)

shhhhhhhhh!! ffs!!

<secret handshake>

<overstuffed envelope>

<zoom lense photographs>




Iscariot did the work I'm too busy to do, thanks.


Al gore did a better job of spinning inaccuracies, lies and dubious science...:D

[Tesselator]

It isn't.



"Woodrow Wilson regretted instituting the Fed" is not true and was debunked in 2007; and




I'll look the others up but could you elaborate on this one?

[Tesselator]

Al gore did a better job of spinning inaccuracies, lies and dubious science...:D

Ouch! now THAT'S bad! :D

[Ugg]

I'll look the others up but could you elaborate on this one?

So you watched the videos and believed everything blindly without even doing some simply fact checking? And you expect everyone else to believe this nonsense?

[Macky-Mac]

Really? See this is where you and I disagree. I'm reasonably sure it's more accurate than not. .....To call the information itself nonsense is like telling me there are no colors and there's no such thing as paper. Umm, there's no way I'm agreeing with that and it just makes me think there's something wrong with the person saying that - or that there's something wrong with me. And of course I gravitate toward the former! :p

Having watched it all I would have to say that after the novelty of the ominous music and the gravelly voiced presenter fades....you can buy his DVD!... it turns boring, and I think dishonest as well. Not only doesn't it support its numerous claims, it indulges in falsehoods and misrepresentations over and over.

For example; the gravely voice (you can buy his DVD!) ominously criticizes Obama for refusing to rescind presidential directive 51 signed by George Bush which according to the voice "plainly states the president is a dictator and that congress is ceremonial... " A copy of the document flashes on the screen with a section that's highlighted to prove the point.....except that the document says something different!

And then gravely voice (you can buy his DVD!) warns that Obama and Rahm have "repeatedly stated that ...all Americans below the age of 64 will be forcibly conscripted into federal service..." There follows some quick video scenes of O & R being interviewed....but neither ever says what gravely voice has just claimed.

And then gravely voice (you can buy his DVD!) claims that Obama has said "middle school and high school students will be forced to serve the federal government..." and again a highlighted document is shown but again it says something different that gravely voice has just claimed.

And then gravely voice (you can buy his DVD!) warns "all young Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 will be conscripted into a paramilitary domestic security force".......this time the film makers don't even bother to fake some evidence.

And all of the above takes place within just two or three minutes.

There are of course some entertaining moments. There's a sequence in which gravely voice and his film crew flee a hotel where some evil conference of evil international conspirators is about to take place.....and just in the nick of time they suggest! But's what's this? A car might be following them?? The drama mounts as the following car turns into the same shopping center parking lot they've entered.....and then the following car parks!!! and the driver gets out!!!! and enters a restaurant!!!!! Whew!!! A close call for gravely voice and crew who then head back to the hotel while the "follower" has lunch......although that does seem a bit risky since they just fled for their own safety. :rolleyes:

In the end it seems that EVERYBODY in the world except for gravely voice (you can buy his DVD!) and a few other featured commentators are part of this vast conspiracy....in which case I wonder why this thread hasn't already been closed down? :eek:

[WinterMute]

In the end it seems that EVERYBODY in the world except for gravely voice (you can buy his DVD!) and a few other featured commentators are part of this vast conspiracy....in which case I wonder why this thread hasn't already been closed down? :eek:

It's open for the entertainment and the good manners.

[Tesselator]

It's open for the entertainment and the good manners.

Well, thanks for that then!

This is what I was looking for anyway! I didn't post it as some kind of banner of truth or proof by it's existence alone. If it's bunk let's show it's bunk! That's what I'm here for. I really wanted honest, serious, critique, and opinion. I have no agenda - heck I'm just some retired guy living in Japan trying to figure out what's going on over there. There's so much corruption and swindling and fraud in the US gov. at the federal level it's kinda hard to tell sometimes - ya know? So anyway, it would be really lame to close or delete the thread. It would mean no learning for me for one.



Ugg,

No. As I said I verify as I can. That film was a little too heavy for me so I posted it here. Glad I did too. I don't get why someone posting and asking about stuff like this gets belittled and put down tho. :confused: That's kinda lame. Don't you think? It's not needed and really serves no purpose except but to give you a momentary chuckle at someone else's expense. Same really for all the "tin hat" comments in this thread. How terribly rude. :(




All,

Where I'm coming from in all this is that I listen to <gravely voice - buy my DVD>'s radio show almost daily and every time I hear something that strikes me as a little off I go verify it. He's batting about 90% as I can verify it - but his conclusions are assuming and sometimes a little far out while yet other times right on with how I think. That's pretty good, 90%... Better than the network News IMHO. So when the film came out there was a lot in it I never heard in his usual broadcast - or if it was it was presented in a very different light. The things I did verify from the film mostly checked out. Yeah, about 90% (9 out of 10). But again, there was too much for me - so I brought it here. Same with the last film I posted here too. I could verify some and debunk other parts and wondered what other people knew. Of course I was ridiculed and belittled then as well. <shrug> It seems somehow that when I post something for discussion somehow <I> become the object of focus instead of the material being posted and asked about. Like, the majority here think I made it or represent it somehow or something. WTF?

I'll probably post another one when there's something that has a ring of potential truth but with too much detail to verify. I hope then the reception will be different and I won't be accused of jew hating, or tin-foil-hat wearing or of being so stupid as to believe everything I hear.

I would still appreciate Iscariot to point me in the right direction at least, on that one point I asked about. That would be kewl! :)

And thanks to all who took the time to (seriously) post here. It's appreciated!

[Tesselator]

For example; the gravely voice (you can buy his DVD!) ominously criticizes Obama for refusing to rescind presidential directive 51 signed by George Bush which according to the voice "plainly states the president is a dictator and that congress is ceremonial... " A copy of the document flashes on the screen with a section that's highlighted to prove the point.....except that the document says something different!


In defense of actualities, he may be presenting a document he knows about but either can't find or is too lazy to look up. For example when the document in question (above) hit the WhitHouse website I saved it as a webarchive. A week later the document was heavily modified. There's a lot of that going on in Washington these days. If you track them on a daily basis you come to one of two conclusions: One, They adjust their rhetoric and documents based on how much fuss they detect is being made about it or, two, they're completely talentless and incompetent web-masters. It may be the same case with the other documents in question here as well - I dunno.

Either way does this remind you of any interesting books? Like one's with numerical titles? :D


Here's the HS PD #51 as it appeared on the whitehouse website the first week EDIT: (I think). I'm actually no longer positive if I grabbed the original or the modified one. This might be the modified one as the original had the word "dictatorial" in it and this one seems not to.:

[solvs]

Loyal citizens of Eternia! I know that there are concerns over the legitimacy of the Prince, but I am here to assuage your fears. Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic sword and said 'By the power of Greyskull!' and I became He-Man the most powerful man in the universe.

Is it me, or do you and Prince Adam have the same haircut? Actually, you 2 kinda look alike. :eek: OMG... HE-MAN AND THE PRINCE ARE RELATED!!! LOLZ!1!!!!


Anyway, to the OP, if anything, please stop with the persecution complex. It's a fairly annoying trait that doesn't get you very far here. Nor does conspiracy BS for that matter, but I'll get to that. Were you a liberal spouting this about Bush or McCain, you would also be mocked. As has actually happened, see what happens when you call Bush the H word for example. Most of us, of all political spectrums, will go all Godwin on yer booty. Seriously. As for the content, it's mocked for a reason. There are plenty of real reasons to dislike Obama, plenty of actual criticism of him and/or his policies based on fact and reality. Some of which you will find here, even by liberals. Actually, especially of liberals as of late, because I'm finding most of the legitimate criticism seems to be coming from them. I guess because a lot of what he's been doing wrong is from his continuance of some neocon failed policies, or attempting to lean too far in efforts or be bi-partisan on some things that he only compromises his original intents, and what is desired by a majority of the people in some cases (how that is "far left" and out of the mainstream is beyond me), while the other side and moderates don't vote with him anyway. And actual experts who've been right about everything tell him he isn't doing ENOUGH, while those same talking heads who mocked them in the past, being completely wrong, continue to mock them today. Still wrong. Hard for the right to criticize that. Libertarians maybe, but where were they when Bush was spending like a drunken sailor, Congress was bi-partisanly letting him (even when he was completely unpopular), and even before Bush, those same people were the ones helping to cause this mess Obama is wildly trying to fix in the first place.

But I digress. Please stop with the conspiracy BS, and look up some ACTUAL fact based (and reality based) information, that can actually be backed up with, you know... facts. Then come back to play. There is plenty to legitimately discuss, some without even being mocked.

This is not that.

[Iscariot]

I'll look the others up but could you elaborate on this one?
http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/12/21/woodrow_wilson_federal_reserve/
I would still appreciate Iscariot to point me in the right direction at least, on that one point I asked about. That would be kewl!

Sorry, was away for some of the weekend.
Is it me, or do you and Prince Adam have the same haircut? Actually, you 2 kinda look alike. :eek: OMG... HE-MAN AND THE PRINCE ARE RELATED!!! LOLZ!1!!!!

<3

[solvs]

Sorry, was away for some of the weekend.

Don't feel bad, I've been away for over a month.

The old place hasn't really changed much, has it.


(for some reason as I read that back, the voice in my head is that of the Doctor. Hm. Weird, that)