Penguins

[adroit]

I thought some of you might find this as funny as I do.

A pair of male penguins who have nested together for six years apparently broke up when a female penguin became available, say caretakers at the San Francisco Zoo.

Harry and Pepper, a pair of Magellanic penguins, started nesting together in 2003 and incubated an egg last year.

However, zoo keepers confirmed in early July that Harry has been nesting with a female penguin, Linda, for several months, said a report in the San Francisco Examiner.

Linda and Harry became friendly shortly after her long-term partner, Fig, passed away in the winter. Within a week of Fig's passing, Harry was spotted in Linda's burrow.

Harry and Pepper had a violent confrontation and zookeepers removed Pepper from the penguin colony. He has since been reinstated, but zookeepers say they're concerned the upcoming penguin moulting season in late July could cause upheaval among penguin couples.

Zookeepers say it's not the first time Linda has been involved in such a triangle. Several years ago, she left her longtime partner and moved in with Fig shortly after his partner passed away.

Earlier this year, zookeepers at Germany's Bremerhaven zoo gave a same-sex pair of Humboldt penguins an egg to incubate. The egg hatched in early June and the penguins, named Z and Vielpunkt, are raising the chick.

The pair is one of three same-sex pairs of Humboldt penguins at the zoo. That means almost one-third of the zoo's 20 penguins who have attempted to mate exhibit homosexual behaviour. Same-sex penguin pairs have also been observed at zoos in Japan, Scotland and New York.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/07/14/penguin-gay-split014.html

Linda is a little home wrecker.... :eek:

[mobilehaathi]

Does it really matter?

[leekohler]

Oh christ- here we go again. Haven't we discussed this to death? All this proves is that Harry is bisexual.

[Unspoken Demise]

I'm sorry, while I think your joke after the article is funny, what is the topic at hand? Are you really asking if homosexuality is a choice, or are you commenting on the role of the female penguin in the 2 male penguin's lives?
I want to know what I'm commenting on.

[dukebound85]

seriously op....you think this is an original thread?

[arkitect]

Oh for the love of god.
:confused:
Not again!

Is this MacRumors favourite question?

And to answer you:

No. It f**ing well is not a choice.

Clear enough?

[ZiggyPastorius]

No. As has been said 8,000,000 times.

[adroit]

Geeze guys lighten up... of course it is not.

I just find the animal dynamics interesting and how it is so close to human..... that's all. May be the title was a wrong choice.

[leekohler]

Geeze guys lighten up... of course it is not.

I just find the animal dynamics interesting and how it is so close to human..... that's all. May be the title was a wrong choice.

Sorry- I don't find anything humorous about that question. It's been used to hurt us too many times. Please change the thread title.

[spaceboots06]

It's a little more complicated. It's not yes or no.

You can be gay but you can desire to be straight. I think displaying oneself as straight, having sex with woman and all that fun stuff would be straight, even if said person frequently pictures naked men or whatnot when fantasizing.

I think a more interesting discussion would be whether or not being gay is normal.

[arkitect]

Sorry- I don't find anything humorous about that question. It's been used to hurt us too many times. Please change the thread title.

+1.

Another vote for you to change the "humorous" title of your thread.

I think a more interesting discussion would be whether or not being gay is normal.

Too late… they're here…

[yg17]

All this seems to prove is that Pepper is a cockblocker and Linda is the village bicycle, and soon, Linda will be trying to figure out who's her baby's daddy. I smell an episode of Maury Povich in the making.

[leekohler]

It's a little more complicated. It's not yes or no.

You can be gay but you can desire to be straight. I think displaying oneself as straight, having sex with woman and all that fun stuff would be straight, even if said person frequently pictures naked men or whatnot when fantasizing.

No- that person is gay.

I think a more interesting discussion would be whether or not being gay is normal.

Of course it's normal.

[Unspoken Demise]

Im going to ask a question that is sincere and I want answers mostly from Lee, and from other gay members.

I know that you defend it is not a choice, but Ive heard a lot of now gay men say that they discovered they were gay over a period of time. Why does this happen. Ive heard of gay men who were once straight as all get up, then decided they liked men. Wouldnt that say it is in fact a choice?

One way or another, it doesnt matter to me. I love gay guys. Met 2 last night at my party and they were soooo awesome.

I ask this qustion for clarity, not to bash a community.

(900th post btw. :)) EDIT: Was. A post got deleted I guess.

[NT1440]

It's a little more complicated. It's not yes or no.

You can be gay but you can desire to be straight. I think displaying oneself as straight, having sex with woman and all that fun stuff would be straight, even if said person frequently pictures naked men or whatnot when fantasizing.


Thats what we call lying to yourself and others.

[SLC Flyfishing]

I wonder if any of these homosexual penguins try and reproduce together, or if they just nest together. Don't male penguins normally incubate eggs and actively raise young?

SLC

[spaceboots06]

No- that person is gay.



Of course it's normal.

Yes, being gay is "normal" because millions of people gay. Naturally, being gay is not normal though. On my most recent expedition to the southeast coast of the states I actually heard someone in a diner talking about how there is a "gay gene" which is a defect in one's normal gene. True or not, I do not know, but I do know it sounds almost believable.

[arkitect]

I
I know that you defend it is not a choice, but Ive heard a lot of now gay men say that they discovered they were gay over a period of time. Why does this happen. Ive heard of gay men who were once straight as all get up, then decided they liked men. Wouldnt that say it is in fact a choice?


Well being "straight" I guess you would have no idea about the pressures on a gay man/boy to conform.

Let's just say they choose to pretend to be "straight".

Being gay is not the choice they make.

One way or another, it doesnt matter to me. I love gay guys. Met 2 last night at my party and they were soooo awesome.

How kind of you.
:rolleyes:

[Unspoken Demise]

Well being "straight" I guess you would have no idea about the pressures on a gay man/boy to conform.

Let's just say they choose to pretend to be "straight".

Being gay is not the choice they make.
Yeah, I would have no idea the feeling of needing to conform because Im not gay. Thanks for the perspective.


How kind of you.
:rolleyes:
Not really sure your sarcasm is needed, but alright.

[leekohler]

Im going to ask a question that is sincere and I want answers mostly from Lee, and from other gay members.

I know that you defend it is not a choice, but Ive heard a lot of now gay men say that they discovered they were gay over a period of time. Why does this happen. Ive heard of gay men who were once straight as all get up, then decided they liked men. Wouldnt that say it is in fact a choice?

One way or another, it doesnt matter to me. I love gay guys. Met 2 last night at my party and they were soooo awesome.

I ask this qustion for clarity, not to bash a community.

(900th post btw. :))

We had to hide it for a long time for fear of being rejected by family and friends, but we always knew. For example, when your best friend on the football team gives you a boner, yet your girlfriend leaves you limp as a noodle, you pretty much know. But are you gonna tell your best friend the quarterback that you wanna jump his bones? Especially when you're a jock yourself? No ********** way. So you pretend and hide it, until you can no longer do so.

[adroit]

Sorry- I don't find anything humorous about that question. It's been used to hurt us too many times. Please change the thread title.

I would love to. But haven't got a clue how to do it.

Mod, could you please change the thread title.

Sorry, didn't realize that people would be this sensitive about it. My apology.

[Unspoken Demise]

We had to hide it for a long time for fear of being rejected by family and friends, but we always knew. For example, when your best friend on the football team gives you a boner, yet your girlfriend leaves you limp as a noodle, you pretty much know. But are you gonna tell your best friend the quarterback that you wanna jump his bones? Especially when you're a jock yourself? No ********** way. So you pretend and hide it, until you can no longer do so.

That makes sense. What about guys that really are straight, thought they were straight, had nothing to hide, but then start liking guys? Were they just lying to themselves?

Just wondering. You cant ask this question to many people without being yelled at for asking a simple question.
I would love to. But haven't got a clue how to do it.

Mod, could you please change the thread title.

Sorry, didn't realize that people would be this sensitive about it. My apology.


Double click the thread title in "new posts." You can edit it like a song name on iTunes.

[NT1440]

Yes, being gay is "normal" because millions of people gay. Naturally, being gay is not normal though. On my most recent expedition to the southeast coast of the states I actually heard someone in a diner talking about how there is a "gay gene" which is a defect in one's normal gene. True or not, I do not know, but I do know it sounds almost believable.

I love how it the majority of your posts here aren't backed up by any evidence. The "gay gene" may indeed be real, but it isn't a defect of a "straight gene".

You seriously need to read up on your facts before you start posting your nonsense, being gay has been shown time and time to be as natural as snow. Do some research on homosexuality in the animal world, and please for the love of god get educated on the topics you post about before spewing any more of this crap.

[arkitect]

That makes sense. What about guys that really are straight, thought they were straight, had nothing to hide, but then start liking guys? Were they just lying to themselves?

So… in all my life — 45 years of it — being gay I have never ever met a straight man (100% heterosexual) who suddenly started to like men.

Someone like you describe has in all probability been bisexual all along.

Just wondering. You cant ask this question to many people without being yelled at for asking a simple question..

Because it is in fact a pretty loaded question, usually with the subtext or agenda of proving:

"Ah gotcha! So it IS a choice after all. So go back to choosing to be straight, you dirty homo."

That is why we tend to get angry.

OP, thanks for changing the title. ;)

[Unspoken Demise]

So… in all my life — 45 years of it — being gay I have never ever met a straight man (100% heterosexual) who suddenly started to like men.

Someone like you describe has in all probability been bisexual all along.
That makes sense, but Ive heard and known of guys where it was almost like a light switch or an epiphany. Maybe they were lying, but it usually was brought about after a breakup with a girl and a gay best friend consoled them through it and feelings developed.


Because it is in fact a pretty loaded question, usually with the subtext or agenda of proving:

"Ah gotcha! So it IS a choice after all. So go back to choosing to be straight, you dirty homo."

That is why we tend to get angry.

OP, thanks for changing the title. ;)

And no, I'm not like that and I would never say such a terrible thing. Homosexuals are not dirty people. I just like asking questions in the pursuit of knowledge to understand people more.

[NT1440]

The new title made me laugh :p

[arkitect]

That makes sense, but Ive heard and known of guys where it was almost like a light switch or an epiphany. Maybe they were lying, but it usually was brought about after a breakup with a girl and a gay best friend consoled them through it and feelings developed.

I would still maintain those guys were not 100% straight to start off with.

Trust me when I say 100% straight men do not swing both ways…
It. Does. Not. Happen.
I have tried. ;)

Maybe in gay porn fantasies.
A lot of bisexual "curious" guys (some of them even married *gasp*) on the other hand don't even need the "six-pack of beer" excuse to get it on. ;)

[spaceboots06]

I love how it the majority of your posts here aren't backed up by any evidence. The "gay gene" may indeed be real, but it isn't a defect of a "straight gene".

You seriously need to read up on your facts before you start posting your nonsense, being gay has been shown time and time to be as natural as snow. Do some research on homosexuality in the animal world, and please for the love of god get educated on the topics you post about before spewing any more of this crap.

Animals can have gay sex, but without having sex with a female there will be no reproduction. How normal would homosexuality be if everything was homosexual and future generations would never exist?

[leekohler]

Animals can have gay sex, but without having sex with a female there will be no reproduction. How normal would homosexuality be if everything was homosexual and future generations would never exist?

Everyone isn't homosexual- nor will they ever be. So there's no point to your post.

And please- you and your friends need to grow up.

[spaceboots06]

Everyone isn't homosexual- nor will they ever be. So there's no point to your post.

And please- you and your friends need to grow up.

There is. It goes to show that it's not normal. If everyone was straight there would be future generations, obviously. If everyone was not straight (and lived the way they want to) there would not be future generations, obviously. Reproducing is essential to life and it's in our instinct to reproduce.

[Unspoken Demise]

There is. It goes to show that it's not normal. If everyone was straight there would be future generations, obviously. If everyone was not straight (and lived the way they want to) there would not be future generations, obviously. Reproducing is essential to life and it's in our instinct to reproduce.


Tell that to endangered species that wont screw to save themselves.
See: Pandas in Zoos.
What were you saying?

[spaceboots06]

Tell that to endangered species that wont screw to save themselves.
See: Pandas in Zoos.
What were you saying?

Ah, yes. But didn't we establish before that a homosexual human having sex with a woman is lying to oneself? :)

[SLC Flyfishing]

Tell that to endangered species that wont screw to save themselves.
See: Pandas in Zoos.
What were you saying?

Are all Zoo pandas gay? I guess I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this comment.

SLC

[Unspoken Demise]

Ah, yes. But didn't we establish before that a homosexual human having sex with a woman is lying to oneself? :)

I dont understand the point you're trying to make.
Its clear that reproduction is a requirement to a continnued species, but not every single being needs to reproduce. Why isnt it normal to not reproduce? Not everyone and everything needs to have children of their own biology. That leads to over population. If everyone in the world were having children, and I mean everyone, then we would have way too many humans. Some people dont need to reproduce/ dont want to reproduce. They can adopt. That makes them just as normal as a straight couple.

Are all Zoo pandas gay? I guess I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this comment.

SLC

It was directed at Boots' comment that it is instinct to reproduce. Apparently it is not. Sometimes not everything wants to reproduce.

[spaceboots06]

I dont understand the point you're trying to make.
Its clear that reproduction is a requirement to a continnued species, but not every single being needs to reproduce. Why isnt it normal to not reproduce? Not everyone and everything needs to have children of their own biology. That leads to over population. If everyone in the world were having children, and I mean everyone, then we would have way too many humans. Some people dont need to reproduce/ dont want to reproduce. They can adopt. That makes them just as normal as a straight couple.

What purpose does an animal serve if it is not going to reproduce? Mules can't reproduce but their purpose is for hard labor. I guess gay people are around to look pretty because last time I checked they couldn't do hard labor too well.

[spaceboots06]

Sometimes not everything wants to reproduce.

That is NOT natural.

[leekohler]

There is. It goes to show that it's not normal. If everyone was straight there would be future generations, obviously. If everyone was not straight (and lived the way they want to) there would not be future generations, obviously. Reproducing is essential to life and it's in our instinct to reproduce.

No there isn't a point, because everyone is not straight and everyone is not gay. You're not dealing in reality. But hey- we get that you don't like gay people. Why don't you just say it?

[Iscariot]

What purpose does an animal serve if it is not going to reproduce?

Enjoying its life?
Are all Zoo pandas gay? I guess I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this comment.

Have you seen how much fun gay Zoo pandas have? Go to a gay Zoo panda party and I assure you you wouldn't want them any other way.

[Unspoken Demise]

What purpose does an animal serve if it is not going to reproduce? Mules can't reproduce but their purpose is for hard labor. I guess gay people are around to look pretty because last time I checked they couldn't do hard labor too well.

Wow. You are incredibly ignorant. Have you seen Lee? The guy could easily benchpress you, and you're going to say he's incapable of hard labor?
My conversation with you is over. You can't converse with ignorance. It just trys to pull you down to its level.

[Wotan31]

Does it really matter?
x2 who gives a crap what penguins do. Useless thread.

[leekohler]

What purpose does an animal serve if it is not going to reproduce? Mules can't reproduce but their purpose is for hard labor. I guess gay people are around to look pretty because last time I checked they couldn't do hard labor too well.

WOW. :eek:

You really don't know any gay people. I dated a construction worker recently. The guy builds foundations for houses. I've been athletic all my life and lift weights constantly. You're most likely one of those people who thinks "Bruno" is what all gay people are like.

[SLC Flyfishing]

It was directed at Boots' comment that it is instinct to reproduce. Apparently it is not. Sometimes not everything wants to reproduce.

I would argue that it is in-fact instinct to reproduce. While some individual organisms may lack that particular instinct because of some sort of chemical imbalance or illness etc, and some animals may for some unknown reason not respond to it in captivity, the instinct is still there in very near 100% of living things. Enough certainly to say that is in-fact a natural instinct. Intrinsic to being a living thing you might say.

Some humans don't want children, and there are a very very small number of humans (when compared with the total population) who have no sex drive. But by and large, the natural desire for sex is very powerful for most people. It is rooted very deeply (and not always obviously) in much of what we do as humans.

SLC

[yg17]

That is NOT natural.

I'm straight, but I don't want kids, am I not natural?

[SLC Flyfishing]

I'm straight, but I don't want kids, am I not natural?

I don't want as many as I can make (like most animals probably would) am I also unnatural?

SLC

[Unspoken Demise]

I would argue that it is in-fact instinct to reproduce. While some individual organisms may lack that particular instinct because of some sort of chemical imbalance or illness etc, and some animals may for some unknown reason not respond to it in captivity, the instinct is still there in very near 100% of living things. Enough certainly to say that is in-fact a natural instinct. Intrinsic to being a living thing you might say.

Some humans don't want children, and there are a very very small number of humans (when compared with the total population) who have no sex drive. But by and large, the natural desire for sex is very powerful for most people. It is rooted very deeply (and not always obviously) in much of what we do as humans.

SLC

I think the instinct to follow sexual desires is there, but the instinct to reproduce is not in every being. I agree with most of what you say, but I think most animals including humans just want to *******. Reproduction is a "consequence" of sex. I use the term consequence lightly. I want children, but not now. It is not my instinct, it is my want. However I have an instinct to want to relieve sexual desires.

Just a different perspective I suppose.

According to bootsy though, because I wear a condom I'm not natural and I'm worthless if Im not producing offspring.

[spaceboots06]

A lot to reply to.

I dont understand the point you're trying to make.
Its clear that reproduction is a requirement to a continnued species, but not every single being needs to reproduce. Why isnt it normal to not reproduce? Not everyone and everything needs to have children of their own biology. That leads to over population. If everyone in the world were having children, and I mean everyone, then we would have way too many humans. Some people dont need to reproduce/ dont want to reproduce. They can adopt. That makes them just as normal as a straight couple.



It was directed at Boots' comment that it is instinct to reproduce. Apparently it is not. Sometimes not everything wants to reproduce.

Adopting a child is almost equivalent to wanting to reproduce. When gay parents are considered acceptable by 100% of the community then I'll change my mind. But, until then, consider me in the 1% who's mind needs to be changed. Hard headed? Absolutely not.

No there isn't a point, because everyone is not straight and everyone is not gay. You're not dealing in reality. But hey- we get that you don't like gay people. Why don't you just say it?

You're putting words in my mouth. I have many gay friends and I appreciate their company.

Wow. You are incredibly ignorant. Have you seen Lee? The guy could easily benchpress you, and you're going to say he's incapable of hard labor?
My conversation with you is over. You can't converse with ignorance. It just trys to pull you down to its level.

There are exceptions, just as with everything else.

WOW. :eek:

You really don't know any gay people. I dated a construction worker recently. The guy builds foundations for houses. I've been athletic all my life and lift weights constantly. You're most likely one of those people who thinks "Bruno" is what all gay people are like.

I do not. I enjoyed the movie Bruno but I know that only a select amount of people actually act like him.

I'm straight, but I don't want kids, am I not natural?

You're natural. You're straight. You're also human and that allows you to have a fine turned personality and decision making process.

[leekohler]

Adopting a child is almost equivalent to wanting to reproduce. When gay parents are considered acceptable by 100% of the community then I'll change my mind. But, until then, consider me in the 1% who's mind needs to be changed. Hard headed? Absolutely not.

Talk to some of our forum members who have been raised by gay parents. Gay people have been raising kids for decades. We don't need your approval to do so, nor do we want it.



You're putting words in my mouth. I have many gay friends and I appreciate their company.

I don't believe you. You think all gay people are only here to "look pretty". If you had gay friends, you'd know that we're good for a lot more than that.



There are exceptions, just as with everything else.

I'm not an exception. You don't know many gay people. We do everything everyone else does, including manual labor.

[Unspoken Demise]

You're natural. You're straight. You're also human and that allows you to have a fine turned personality and decision making process.

However he cant use his decision making process to have sexual relations with another man, because that one personality trait is un-natural? Every other trait is fine because he's human, but that one makes him unnatural?

[SLC Flyfishing]

I think the instinct to follow sexual desires is there, but the instinct to reproduce is not in every being. I agree with most of what you say, but I think most animals including humans just want to *******. Reproduction is a "consequence" of sex. I use the term consequence lightly. I want children, but not now. It is not my instinct, it is my want. However I have an instinct to want to relieve sexual desires.

Just a different perspective I suppose.

According to bootsy though, because I wear a condom I'm not natural and I'm worthless if Im not producing offspring.

OK I think we're on the same page here, but I generally tend to think of this "just wanting to *******" as the biological drive to reproduce that we all have, as viewed through the lens of modern western society. Basically, deep down, your body is pushing you to reproduce as often as possible; it's your gene's way of ensuring that they are passed on (not that gene's actually have a mind of their own and are capable of independent thought) I hope I'm not losing you here. But since today's society glamorizes sex as a recreational activity first, and a means of producing offspring last, we generally tend to mistake that instinct with thinking that "we just want sex". You may not want children, but your gene's most certainly do. They have given you this "instinct" for that very reason.

Does that make sense.

And to stay on topic, I once read a fascinating paper on a possible biological basis for homosexuality. It proposed the idea that homosexuality occurs because of X and Y chromosome competition. It's hypothesis was essentially that homosexuality was a trait developed by the X chromosome which it uses to promote it's self. Men who are homosexual (and possess this mutation) are far less likely to pass on their Y chromosomes, and as a result the X out competes the Y. Unfortunately the ultimate result of this strategy is extinction of the species. But the paper didn't get into that aspect. I should dig up a link probably.

SLC

[leekohler]

And to stay on topic, I once read a fascinating paper on a possible biological basis for homosexuality. It proposed the idea that homosexuality occurs because of X and Y chromosome competition. It's hypothesis was essentially that homosexuality was a trait in which the X chromosome attempts to promote it's self. Men who are homosexual are far less likely to pass on their Y chromosomes, and as a result the X out competes the Y. Unfortunately the ultimate result of this strategy is extinction of the species. But the paper didn't get into that aspect. I should dig up a link probably.

SLC

SLC- if it were that simple, don't you think it would be common knowledge by now?

[SLC Flyfishing]

SLC- if it were that simple, don't you think it would be common knowledge by now?

Hey I never said that the paper was the whole story, I though I even insinuated that it was only an idea that one group of geneticists had. I only said that I had read it (as an assignment in one of my early college biology classes) and that I found it interesting.

SLC

[leekohler]

Hey I never said that the paper was the whole story, I though I even insinuated that it was only an idea that one group of geneticists had. I only said that I had read it (as an assignment in one of my early college biology classes) and that I found it interesting.

SLC

OK- I guess it's interesting. I guess I just don't see the point if it really isn't going anywhere. That's all.

[spaceboots06]

Talk to some of our forum members who have been raised by gay parents. Gay people have been raising kids for decades. We don't need your approval to do so, nor do we want it.





I don't believe you. You think all gay people are only here to "look pretty". If you had gay friends, you'd know that we're good for a lot more than that.





I'm not an exception. You don't know many gay people. We do everything everyone else does, including manual labor.

1.) You don't need my approval or anyone else's, but you're not getting it. You don't need my approval to sniff poppers, but you're not getting it.

2.) Okay, don't believe me.

3.) I know at least 15 closely. Not acquaintances but friends I can talk to if I need to let some emotions out.

[leekohler]

1.) You don't need my approval or anyone else's, but you're not getting it. You don't need my approval to sniff poppers, but you're not getting it.

And I don't care.

2.) Okay, don't believe me.

I still don't.

3.) I know at least 15 closely. Not acquaintances but friends I can talk to if I need to let some emotions out.

Really? What do they think of your opinion that states that their only purpose is to "look pretty"? Tell that to them. See if they still want to listen to your problems after that. Because if you said that to my face, there would be issues.

[spaceboots06]

Really? What do they think of your opinion that states that their only purpose is to "look pretty"? Tell that to them. See if they still want to listen to your problems after that. Because if you said that to my face, there would be issues.

I'm not going to address the prior parts to your post because they're quite useless. Whenever I do have "why are you gay" conversations it ends up in me voicing my opinion and them not disagreeing verbally. They'll pout and look all pissed off but they never have anything to say which negates my argument. And moments later everything is fine again.

[leekohler]

I'm not going to address the prior parts to your post because they're quite useless. Whenever I do have "why are you gay" conversations it ends up in me voicing my opinion and them not disagreeing verbally. They'll pout and look all pissed off but they never have anything to say which negates my argument. And moments later everything is fine again.

You didn't answer my question.

Keep this kind of s*** up, and they won't be your friends for long. You know why they look "all pissed off"? Because they are. And eventually, they'll stop putting up with your crap. They may be holding back now, but one of these days, they're gonna cut loose on you.

[spaceboots06]

You didn't answer my question.

Keep this kind of s*** up, and they won't be your friends for long. You know why they look "all pissed off"? Because they are. And eventually, they'll stop putting up with your crap. They may be holding back now, but one of these days, they're gonna cut loose on you.

It's not crap. I can give you a brief list of the gay people I know and you could analyze it if you wish.

1.) Person 1: Heavy drug user who has been sitting on his parent's fortune and hasn't had a job for the past 20 years.

2.) Person 2: Another heavy drug user but also a snotty actor who holds make believe grudges and has almost no "real" personality.

3.) Person 3: Sex fiend who doesn't care how vulgar he is when talking to another man.

4.) Person 4: Another sex fiend who wants to dominate people.

5.) Person 5: Another heavy drug user. Also an uneducated and uncultured "child".

Yes, I talk to and get along with these people.

EDIT: I don't know why the majority of gay friends I have are heavy drug users. Strikes me as odd.

[leekohler]

It's not crap. I can give you a brief list of the gay people I know and you could analyze it if you wish.

1.) Person 1: Heavy drug user who has been sitting on his parent's fortune and hasn't had a job for the past 20 years.

2.) Person 2: Another heavy drug user but also a snotty actor who holds make believe grudges and has almost no "real" personality.

3.) Person 3: Sex fiend who doesn't care how vulgar he is when talking to another man.

4.) Person 4: Another sex fiend who wants to dominate people.

5.) Person 5: Another heavy drug user. Also an uneducated and uncultured "child".

Yes, I talk to and get along with these people.

EDIT: I don't know why the majority of gay friends I have are heavy drug users. Strikes me as odd.


Why do you hang out with a bunch of heavy drug users and sex fiends? If this is true, no wonder you think all gay people are worthless. Why don't you get some new friends? I still find all of this a bit suspicious.

You still haven't answered my question.

[Iscariot]

It's not crap. I can give you a brief list of the gay people I know and you could analyze it if you wish.

1.) Person 1: Heavy drug user who has been sitting on his parent's fortune and hasn't had a job for the past 20 years.

2.) Person 2: Another heavy drug user but also a snotty actor who holds make believe grudges and has almost no "real" personality.

3.) Person 3: Sex fiend who doesn't care how vulgar he is when talking to another man.

4.) Person 4: Another sex fiend who wants to dominate people.

5.) Person 5: Another heavy drug user. Also an uneducated and uncultured "child".

Yes, I talk to and get along with these people.

EDIT: I don't know why the majority of gay friends I have are heavy drug users. Strikes me as odd.

If I had to be your friend, I'd be a heavy drug user too! :D
http://blog.mrhacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/oh-snap-chart.jpg

[leekohler]

If I had to be your friend, I'd be a heavy drug user too! :D


I was thinking the exact same thing. ;)

[Rt&Dzine]

OK I think we're on the same page here, but I generally tend to think of this "just wanting to *******" as the biological drive to reproduce that we all have, as viewed through the lens of modern western society. Basically, deep down, your body is pushing you to reproduce as often as possible; it's your gene's way of ensuring that they are passed on (not that gene's actually have a mind of their own and are capable of independent thought) I hope I'm not losing you here. But since today's society glamorizes sex as a recreational activity first, and a means of producing offspring last, we generally tend to mistake that instinct with thinking that "we just want sex". You may not want children, but your gene's most certainly do. They have given you this "instinct" for that very reason.


You explained this very well. The same thing applies about glamorizing the euphoric "falling in love" feeling, when it's actually for procreation of the species.

[Unspoken Demise]

OK I think we're on the same page here, but I generally tend to think of this "just wanting to *******" as the biological drive to reproduce that we all have, as viewed through the lens of modern western society. Basically, deep down, your body is pushing you to reproduce as often as possible; it's your gene's way of ensuring that they are passed on (not that gene's actually have a mind of their own and are capable of independent thought) I hope I'm not losing you here. But since today's society glamorizes sex as a recreational activity first, and a means of producing offspring last, we generally tend to mistake that instinct with thinking that "we just want sex". You may not want children, but your gene's most certainly do. They have given you this "instinct" for that very reason.

Does that make sense.


SLC

You raise some interesting points, as always. Thanks for keeping your opinion civil. And yes, it makes perfect sense. Just because your...swimmers...dont actually recieve an egg does not mean that wasnt their intent. They are there to create new life. Whether or not you stop them from that goal is different.

[anjinha]

Penguins are cute. :o

[Unspoken Demise]

Penguins are cute. :o

Try not to explode from cuteness exposure. Penguins in pajamas.

http://www.massperception.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/rel_penguins_04151.jpg

[Badandy]

If I had to be your friend, I'd be a heavy drug user too! :D
http://blog.mrhacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/oh-snap-chart.jpg

Did you draw that and take a picture of it or is that a common picture on the internet that I haven't seen?

[anjinha]

Try not to explode from cuteness exposure. Penguins in pajamas.

http://www.massperception.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/rel_penguins_04151.jpg

AAWWWWWWWW!!!!! :D

[Iscariot]

Did you draw that and take a picture of it or is that a common picture on the internet that I haven't seen?

It showed up when I Google Image'd for "oh snap"

[leekohler]

It showed up when I Google Image'd for "oh snap"

I imagine you've used it before. ;)

It's not crap. I can give you a brief list of the gay people I know and you could analyze it if you wish.

1.) Person 1: Heavy drug user who has been sitting on his parent's fortune and hasn't had a job for the past 20 years.

2.) Person 2: Another heavy drug user but also a snotty actor who holds make believe grudges and has almost no "real" personality.

3.) Person 3: Sex fiend who doesn't care how vulgar he is when talking to another man.

4.) Person 4: Another sex fiend who wants to dominate people.

5.) Person 5: Another heavy drug user. Also an uneducated and uncultured "child".

Yes, I talk to and get along with these people.

EDIT: I don't know why the majority of gay friends I have are heavy drug users. Strikes me as odd.

I also noticed that you have not one good thing to say about any of these people. Why are you supposedly such good friends?

[Unspoken Demise]

EDIT: I don't know why the majority of gay friends I have are heavy drug users. Strikes me as odd.
Ever think its you?

[Badandy]

Ever think its you?

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