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arn
Jul 10, 2002, 12:53 PM
Cube-Zone (http://www.cube-zone.com/) reports that current PowerMacs have become EOL'd (End of Life).

One of our sources told us yesterday that the current PowerMac line (800 Mhz, 933 Mhz and dual 1 Ghz) has been EOled. Computers dealers cannot order those computers from Apple anymore.The current promotion indicates that Apple has a huge stock of those PowerMacs.



This could be a move to clear out current stock... most recent rumors target PowerMac release in Mid-August, rather than MWNY.

job
Jul 10, 2002, 01:04 PM
Great. :rolleyes: :D

Well maybe that means I can get a dual 1Ghz sometime in August for a reduced price. :D

TechKid
Jul 10, 2002, 01:09 PM
If Apple had a "huge stock of those" you would think they would let retailers buy as many as they want to get rid of them???

kettle
Jul 10, 2002, 01:12 PM
:) mmm

one by one things will fall into place

just focus yer senses on that freshly unpacked mac smell

gropo
Jul 10, 2002, 01:18 PM
*Quicksilvers are EOL'd

*The "Special Deals" online store is currently empty. (perhaps awaiting a whole slew of Quicksilver run-over that doesn't make it in to the distribution channels?)

*Apple's simmilar move in January, whereby they delayed the announcement of the "less buzz generating" New-gen Quicksilvers - To focus the spotlight on the new iMac

"something bigger" in a few days? Let's hope.

job
Jul 10, 2002, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by gropo
"something bigger" in a few days? Let's hope.

I don't think it will be in a few days. Remember the thread about 6 different cases. It's probably going to be sometime in August.

wsteineker
Jul 10, 2002, 01:29 PM
If the announcement isn't going to occur until August, don't you think it's a bit premature to go EOLing the current lin? Just a thought...

job
Jul 10, 2002, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by wsteineker
If the announcement isn't going to occur until August, don't you think it's a bit premature to go EOLing the current lin? Just a thought...

Wouldn't it depend on their inventory? If they had a lot of towers left over, wouldn't you need at least a month to get rid of them?

gropo
Jul 10, 2002, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by hitman


I don't think it will be in a few days. Remember the thread about 6 different cases. It's probably going to be sometime in August. "Something Bigger" would be in reference to another bit of (perhaps consumer oriented) kit that Apple desires' receive the Linus' Share of the attention (to best capitalize on the wonderful "free" publicity they receive after every Keynote)

wsteineker
Jul 10, 2002, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by hitman
Wouldn't it depend on their inventory? If they had a lot of towers left over, wouldn't you need at least a month to get rid of them?

Yes, but this would effectively make all of those systems sitting in Apple (not Ingram) warehouses unavailable. It's not wise to try and push a product that you're not selling. Still, stranger things have happened.

crassusad44
Jul 10, 2002, 02:10 PM
Think we'll just have to hope for the new towers to appear at MWNY. Many pro users were dissappointed at MWSF. It would be unwise for Apple to dissappoint them (including me) again. A release between expos usually mean a smaller update. The towers need more than that. The new iBooks and PowerBooks seem to have been the exception of the rule here though (Sahara chip (iBook) and L3 cache (PBs) have proved to be big performance boosters)...

My 2¢

wsteineker
Jul 10, 2002, 02:13 PM
Yeah, we should hope. But if Apple is serious about this whole updating products when they're ready and not waiting for expos thing, then they won't release a new run of towers until they're ready to ship. Let's be honest here, guys. We applauded Apple when they adopted teh new product announcement strategy, but now a lot of folks are bashing them becasue they just might stick to it. It's a double standard. I think we should just wait and see, knowing that new towers will coming down the pipe very soon no matter what. Just my $.02. :)

trodel_post
Jul 10, 2002, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by wsteineker
Yeah, we should hope. But if Apple is serious about this whole updating products when they're ready and not waiting for expos thing, then they won't release a new run of towers until they're ready to ship. Let's be honest here, guys. We applauded Apple when they adopted teh new product announcement strategy, but now a lot of folks are bashing them becasue they just might stick to it. It's a double standard. I think we should just wait and see, knowing that new towers will coming down the pipe very soon no matter what. Just my $.02. :)

I, for one, made no such endoresement.

JD2
Jul 10, 2002, 02:35 PM
Let us put things into perspective here,

Apple is bashing us around the ears (like we say it here in Belgium) with al sorts of rebate offers.

One: They would not lower the hurdle for us consumers if they did not have to, 484 € (counting TVA) is a lot of cash for some of the machines they take back.

Two: They even let you combine the "crystal clear offer" with the "power take back". Yet another 500 $....

This can only lead to one conclusion, they desperatly want to get rid of the current Powermac G4's even if they do not have G5's to replace them.

Mind you, the cristal clear offer does not exist (yet) here in Europe (to my knowledge) I onle recall an offer for a G4 combined with an 17" Lcd and Apple care that ran until 30/06/02.

We all saw what Xserve has to offer, as many of us have predicted maybe this is what the new G4 will look like inside (DDR memory as an eyecatcher)

Like a lot of you I'd like Steve to leave us with an open mouth after his upcoming "speech". But then again we sometimes want to much more don't we?

For myself I am postponing my drive to the dealer for a few days, I have a buyer for my 8600/250 with XLR8 G3 450 (with an 466 chip) running at 500Mhz and I just owe it to my good mood just to wait until after NY.
I 'd hate to be disappointed just for not being able to wait one more week.

I 'm keeping my fingers crossed.

And I will never revert to that four letter word: PéCé ;-)))

peterjhill
Jul 10, 2002, 02:36 PM
So a quick look on Apple's store (for higher edu. personal purchases) shows the following shipping times. Things look pretty good if you're crazy enough to buy a Mac a week before a Macworld Keynote.

Power Mac G4 733MHz M8642LL/A 1-3 days (edu. only)
All other Power Macs 1-2 days

All iMacs 1-2 days

iBook 12.1TFT CDR M8600LL/A 5 days
iBook 12.1TFT Combo M8602LL/A 3 days
iBook 700MHz/14.1XGA Combo M8603LL/A 5 days

PowerBook 667 M8591LL/A 1-3 days
PowerBook 800 M8592LL/A 3 days

wsteineker
Jul 10, 2002, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by trodel_post
I, for one, made no such endoresement.

Never meant to point a finger at anyone in particular, man. I was just making a statement about the generally easy sway that the Mac community demonstrates in situations like these. That's all. No offense meant at all. :)

edenwaith
Jul 10, 2002, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by gropo

*The "Special Deals" online store is currently empty. (perhaps awaiting a whole slew of Quicksilver run-over that doesn't make it in to the distribution channels?)


What I found out in January when I purchased a refurbished iBook was Apple seems to wait a little bit after the expo, then puts up their older models up for sale.

So, my guess would be that there will be a lot more older and refurbished products in the Special Deals are of the Apple Store.

From what I read at one time, the January PowerMacs weren't announced at MacWorld since there was some controversy whether or not some part (it might have been the Nvidia video card) was going to be ready or not. Even if they had announced the improvements on the PowerMac, I don't think that would have stolen too much of the iMac's thunder. Maybe a little since the new iMac had similar strength to the PowerMac, so more consumers might have found the iMac more compelling.

So, I do hope that if there are going to be some improvements in the PowerMac line, announce them at macworld NY, but let the people know when they will be ready. I certainly don't want a MacWorld like last year which was fairly disappointing. Hopefully Apple has something big up its sleeves which no one has really discovered yet.

drastik
Jul 10, 2002, 03:13 PM
well, they are certianly acting like ther's something up their sleves, I think that this pretty much knocks out the no new Powermac rumor. We're going to at least get an announcement. There are a lot of fairly reputable sources out there saying different things right now. In light of Jobs penchoint for tight lips, and his obvious anger over TimeCanada fiasco, I still buy the misinformation ploy. This bit of info though, can't be misinformation. Apple would never, ever, discontinue a line and then resurect it, thats just silly. So, some change is comming. It may be till august with an announcement at NY, that's true. You may be able to buy it in an apple store next wendsday. Somehting is comming.

arn
Jul 10, 2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by drastik
well, they are certianly acting like ther's something up their sleves, I think that this pretty much knocks out the no new Powermac rumor.

I don't think this precludes a non-PowerMac announcement.

1st... this is a rumor... not verified evidence.

2, they are going to want to clear our current inventory before introducing new machines.

arn

dongmin
Jul 10, 2002, 03:51 PM
Everyone says that Apple is sitting on a huge inventory of PowerMacs. So if they're not selling those to retailers, what the heck are they going to do with them?

Can anyone, with connections to retailers, make an educated guess as to how long it takes Apple to announce replacements after a product line has been EoL'd? Is it a matter of days, in which case, we can still hold on to some hope for new Powermacs at the Expo? Or is it a matter of weeks, in which case, we'll probably have to wait til the end of August when the display promo is over?

A lot of confusing rumors. Damnit, I want absolute clarity and certain in my rumors!

job
Jul 10, 2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by dongmin
A lot of confusing rumors. Damnit, I want absolute clarity and certain in my rumors!

Clarity + rumors = oxymoron :D

Apple will have to update the Power Mac line soon. It cannot just sit on it's current towers and expect them to sell like hotcakes. Users are desperate for an updated motherboard, etc that will provide for substancial speed increases. It's going to happen, we just don't know when.

hitman

wake up Jobs!!!
Jul 10, 2002, 03:56 PM
that is strange

MrEFord
Jul 10, 2002, 04:25 PM
Apple'll probably announce the new G4s at MWNY but we're just have to wait for them, which could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on which view you have. The fact that the current ones have been EOLed leads to the idea that perhaps they will be announcing new hardware. They will probably try to get rid of the current G4s as fast as they can and by the time the new ones start shipping (at least a month after MWNY) then hopefully by then the stock of current G4s will be gone.

-E

suzerain
Jul 10, 2002, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by dongmin
Can anyone, with connections to retailers, make an educated guess as to how long it takes Apple to announce replacements after a product line has been EoL'd?

A lot of confusing rumors. Damnit, I want absolute clarity and certain in my rumors!

Disclaimer: I do not have direct connection to Apple retailers.

In the past, when Apple has EOL'd a product, it has meant one of two things: (1) a replacement has come within 1-2 weeks; or (2) the product line was canceled.

Since I highly doubt the entire Power Mac product line is to be canceled, it would seem to indicate there will at least be an announcement, if the Power Macs have indeed been EOL'd.

Ya know, something everyone here has been ignoring...a couple of weeks ago, there were a bunch of stories on the Web .just like this one (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-939436.html). Other stories about Apple's financial health have claimed iMac sales of about 400,000 this year, though Apple predicted 550-600,000. That's an awful lot of unsold iMacs, assuming many of those were actually manufactured.

Now, the EOL story, if true, plus the stories from weeks ago talking about high iMac iinventories would seem to be evidence for exactly the opposite of the claims of the Think Secret and C|Net stories today: namely, that the 17" iMac would come in a few weeks, while the Power Macs would be at least announced.

tk-421
Jul 10, 2002, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by dongmin
Can anyone, with connections to retailers, make an educated guess as to how long it takes Apple to announce replacements after a product line has been EoL'd? Is it a matter of days, in which case, we can still hold on to some hope for new Powermacs at the Expo? Or is it a matter of weeks, in which case, we'll probably have to wait til the end of August when the display promo is over?

I work at an Apple Specialist here in town and I checked with purchasing and we're still able to order Powermacs.

As for how long for replacements to appear after an EoL. When the new ibooks were released, we couldn't order anything for about a week, maybe two. We didn't know what was coming until they were announced. We just knew we couldn't order ANY ibooks.

But at the same time, the Powerbook line got a revamp and the previous line never got an EoL status (at least none that I know of).

SubFredZero
Jul 10, 2002, 05:14 PM
It's becoming kind of a cliché but here it is again... I also would be very dissapointed when there would be no new powermacs. It would suck big time :(

mcrain
Jul 10, 2002, 05:24 PM
Out of curiosity, why does everyone seem to think that an August release of a powermac means that it won't be first introduced at MWNY?

If I had a product I was planning on letting the public purchase on, say August 15th, and I had a huge expo a month before then, I'd show the world what I had, let the public see it and what it can do, let the press test it, and watch them line up at the store at midnight to buy the product.

Everyone knew the ps2 was coming out, and what its specs were, and everyone waited and anticipated, and couldn't wait, and for a month, they were hard as heck to find.

I say, let Apple show us at MWNY, whet our appetites, and then in August, let us buy.

That gives them plenty of time to build some so that they don't have all the delivery snafus that they had with the new iMac.

tk-421
Jul 10, 2002, 05:32 PM
I could see them not saying anything because maybe they don't have the specs down yet. rumors were flying that the top end machines would be 1.2 or 1.4, now cnet is saying they will start at 1.2Ghz and go higher. It's possible they just haven't locked down these new specs.

But who knows what'll happen. We'll all be glued to the powermac display for the keynote though :p

Nipsy
Jul 10, 2002, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by tk-421


I work at an Apple Specialist here in town and I checked with purchasing and we're still able to order Powermacs.

Are you ordering from Apple, or Ingram?

sjs
Jul 10, 2002, 05:36 PM
IF Apple does hold off until August to announce the new PM's, I think that means the new machine is SERIOUSLY better than the current one. Here's why: normally if the new machine is just a small improvement, there will be plenty of buyers for the previous machine, given a decent discount.

What if Apple thinks this machine is such a leap forward that people would not buy the old one if they know about the new one? That sounds like what may be going on here!

tk-421
Jul 10, 2002, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Nipsy


Are you ordering from Apple, or Ingram?


From Ingram....so I guess which means we're still ordering Ingram's (probably massive) stock. Where as Ingram might get an EoL when ordering from Apple...

DavPeanut
Jul 10, 2002, 05:46 PM
I think that the PowerMacs will have a huge update in mid august. All the evidence points to it. I think that if the iMacs get 17" LCDs, then apple will have to drop the price of the LCDs. Why would they stick a $1000 screen on a $2000 computer? The PMacs will probably get 1.2+ according to Cnet. That means that iMacs will take the 1 Ghz chip. The iMac need a 133 bus too. I just hope all the new Macs will come with bluetooth built in.

Moonlight
Jul 10, 2002, 05:59 PM
It doesn't seem that anyone has an answer if the powermacs are EOL or not... if they are we will be getting new macs, if not then who knows ?? but it seems there are conflicting stories about EOL or no EOL... I wonder why ?

menoinjun
Jul 10, 2002, 06:02 PM
Just to let everyone know... all of the powermacs are still current items in CompUSA stock. Not discontinued macs yet.

-Pete

lazyrighteye
Jul 10, 2002, 06:26 PM
Is there a Dell World?
How about a Compaq World?
Are there any GatewayRumors.com sites?
Oh I can see the topics now: "Gateway opts for multi colored Angus pattern - users pissed. Long live the black & white!"

You know, this gives me an idea. I'm gonna start a DellRumors.com site!!
No wait, how about organizing a DWLR, Dell World Little Rock?
Oh yes, it's all coming together...

And for some of you right brained posters out there, sarcasm can de difficult to detect in the writen form. Just goofin'. Relax.

Say, does any other computer manufacturer have this sort of Grateful Dead, Phish type of following? Too funny...

lazyrighteye

Grokgod
Jul 10, 2002, 06:34 PM
The Dell, Compaq and Gateway world is the real world..
Only small groups of people excluded from the masses would create so much fever around a computer.

We are fighting the status quo.

Thats why we get the fever and events.

YET, there might be a SONY world... :)

AppMan
Jul 10, 2002, 06:49 PM
We are also an Apple Specialist. I hate rumor sites, but one of my associates pointed out this thread to me and I must say this rumor is crap.

I am a Apple Direct dealer and order direct from Apple and Ingram. The Apple Reseller store is still accepting orders for all computers. The QuickSilver G4 machines state "7 Days" to ship. Although that may be coincidence this day would be the first day of Mac World Expo.

I also ordered a "CTO" G4 Friday and it shipped on Tuesday. I ordered another CTO Monday and expect shipment confirmation tonight or tomorrow.

Apple extended revamped the CPU/Monitor rebate until August 12th. Which tells me Jobs may be announcing new machines (G5?), but won't be available immediately.

Cappy
Jul 10, 2002, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by hitman


I don't think it will be in a few days. Remember the thread about 6 different cases. It's probably going to be sometime in August.

If the 6 different cases are for real then the one month would be merely an announcement because of the ramp up time they need to build these systems. That would push them back a bit in getting ready for the xmas season.

I see two possibilities based on info gathered:

1. the inventory problems are for real. The new rebate program somewhat reinforces this because of the dates involved.

2. Something new is coming out that may be at higher pricepoints because it's much more powerful and will not be called a PowerMac G4. I had a thread on this once before that many disagreed with. I can honestly say that it's unlikely but certainly possible.

Cappy
Jul 10, 2002, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by wsteineker
Yeah, we should hope. But if Apple is serious about this whole updating products when they're ready and not waiting for expos thing, then they won't release a new run of towers until they're ready to ship. Let's be honest here, guys. We applauded Apple when they adopted teh new product announcement strategy, but now a lot of folks are bashing them becasue they just might stick to it. It's a double standard. I think we should just wait and see, knowing that new towers will coming down the pipe very soon no matter what. Just my $.02. :)

You're not seeing another side of the picture though. I know some schools that were holding off on purchases for new models. Now they're forced to purchase machines that will probably be replaced the second they show up on their dock. Yes, technology progresses but that is discouraging and doesn't sit well with a market that Apple claims to care about. Remember Apple has come late to the table with systems before so that schools were forced to buy products soon to be outdated. It helped clear inventory which is what I see is the most likely scenario this time.

Cappy
Jul 10, 2002, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by mcrain
Out of curiosity, why does everyone seem to think that an August release of a powermac means that it won't be first introduced at MWNY?

If I had a product I was planning on letting the public purchase on, say August 15th, and I had a huge expo a month before then, I'd show the world what I had, let the public see it and what it can do, let the press test it, and watch them line up at the store at midnight to buy the product.

Everyone knew the ps2 was coming out, and what its specs were, and everyone waited and anticipated, and couldn't wait, and for a month, they were hard as heck to find.

I say, let Apple show us at MWNY, whet our appetites, and then in August, let us buy.

That gives them plenty of time to build some so that they don't have all the delivery snafus that they had with the new iMac.

That's a different market for a different situation which is how they did the iMac as well. An announcement for a new PowerMac G4 system would absolutely kill Apple's chance to sell off their current inventory. Now if they had a new PowerMac or some system at a higher pricepoint(likely for new markets(aka video or highend), they might be well served to make that announcement. Otherwise though they're not going to want to disrupt the possibilities of people trying to hold off for a month even if the rumored facts support that.

sinbushar
Jul 10, 2002, 11:20 PM
maybe...just maybe.....production has officially stopped on the "old"(current) powermac line.....and they can't have NOTHING to sell for a full month...so perhaps...they are holding these powermacs for those people who need/want a new G4, but don't care about the slight speed increases, or the different enclosures.....i dunno..just my two cents....and i hate to contradict MYSELF....but no normal person who gives a damn bout money will buy something one month..when they KNOW a month later it'll be badder and better....idea!...perhaps...there won't be an announcement till mid-late august...that would make sense considering my crazy half-assed logic....sorry if this seems like a flow of thought and that i just thought threw it now, cause I DID:D ..i think everyone should just chill..i think in the end we'll be made to hold out with just speed bumps, and be guaranteed G5's in January:D...okay then...that's my 2 euros....which i think is more than 2 of our crazy american ¢....so until the next time i decide to let u all in on a crazy person's mind, aur revoir...

adel
aim: sinbushar

Cappy
Jul 10, 2002, 11:43 PM
Everyone keeps talking about G5's in January. I don't know what they're smoking but the odds are against it even more in my opinion than some new G4 system next week because of inventory that may carry over from xmas. They need to have a good xmas season(forecast and executionwise) and then we *might* see new G5's. I'd say we'll see new laptops in Jan and then maybe Feb could call for G5's. Probably upgraded xserves as well then.

moJoMR
Jul 10, 2002, 11:46 PM
It was on CNN today that apple has a huge inventory they're trying to get rid of.. so you can all stop guessing about that.

Cappy
Jul 11, 2002, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by moJoMR
It was on CNN today that apple has a huge inventory they're trying to get rid of.. so you can all stop guessing about that.

Not that it isn't true but that could be almost as bad as saying that you saw it on the internet so it must be true. ;)

moJoMR
Jul 11, 2002, 12:23 AM
I highly doubt CNN would make up a report about Apple's current surplus of computers.. and given the fact that this thread is speculating about the rebates maybe a hint towards a surplus. Just trying to help and share my knowledge Sorry if CNN isn't a legit enough source for you, I'll go and see what Spymac thinks is going on..

big
Jul 11, 2002, 12:29 AM
New Macs in August? oh- My Birthday is in August! I may have a nice surprise for my old G3!

barkmonster
Jul 11, 2002, 07:32 AM
I know it was released on August 15th 1998, it was my 21st birthday!

I also wasn't online at the time, I read about it in a magazine afterwards :mad:

Is it likely they'll anounce something 4 weeks or so before it's shipping ?

I've never really noticed any delay because I've stuck with the same mac model for 4 years or so and not had chance to buy a new one around expo time.

tk-421
Jul 11, 2002, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by moJoMR
I highly doubt CNN would make up a report about Apple's current surplus of computers..

I caught this story as well on CNN. I can't remember the guy's name who did the report, though.

ImAlwaysRight
Jul 11, 2002, 11:29 AM
Like it's been said in other threads... Many are waiting for the NEW Macs with DDR RAM and improved technologies. I for one am in this boat. I am NOT going to buy a dual G4 w/PC133 with the probability of dual 1.4GHz w/DDR RAM coming out by August. Comparitively, that dual G4 1GHz won't be worth $2,000 in one month vs. a dual 1.4 w/DDR RAM and 120GB hard drive, new case design, and other improvements. The surplus may be there, but Apple's still going to have a hard time selling it, as they've had rebates going ALL YEAR and it hasn't made much of a difference. MAC USERS WANT NEW POWERMACS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, AND NOT BE RIPPED OFF BY BUYING YESTERDAY'S TECHNOLOGY TODAY. I don't have a solution to Apple's surplus, other than to offer huge discounts when they introduce their new PowerMacs at MWNY.

(I did like the point that was made about nothing being in the Apple Store Refurbished section, which does indicate something big is coming down the pike at MWNY -- I'm betting a big PowerMac update. The first minute of the keynote we'll know as Jobs lays out his 5 or so major points. I predict the last point, which is typically the biggest announcement, will say "PowerMac." Woo-hoo! MWSF the last point was "iMac" w/the introduction of the flat panel iMac G4)

Brent
Jul 11, 2002, 12:18 PM
Since I'm in the market for a new computer, I've been plowing through every bit of information (rumor or not) I can find regarding Apple. After extensive reading, rationalization (if that is possible) and positing, this is what I think is going to happen at MWNY:

- Announcement of impending PowerMac upgrades (whatever those might be).
- MASSIVE iMac discounts to get rid of all of the surplus, AND an announcement that the old PowerMac chips will be stuck into the new 17" iMacs).

-- I'm guessing that new computers will be ready to order by August. A guerilla marketing attempt to offload as many existing PowerMacs and iMacs will shortly follow the announcement for the new Power and iMacs.


(And I wouldn't be surprised at all if all of the **** that has been going down is just smokescreen for something completely unexpected).

johnpaul191
Jul 11, 2002, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight
Like it's been said in other threads... Many are waiting for the NEW Macs with DDR RAM and improved technologies. I for one am in this boat. I am NOT going to buy a dual G4 w/PC133 with the probability of dual 1.4GHz w/DDR RAM coming out by August. Comparitively, that dual G4 1GHz won't be worth $2,000 in one month vs. a dual 1.4 w/DDR RAM and 120GB hard drive, new case design, and other improvements.

that's the frustration you will feel when following rumor sites. it sucks. really you don't know if we will see anyting to the powermac. we might just see a bump to 1.2ghz sometime soon. they may save the new case and DDR ram for the G5 whenever that comes. persoanlly i don't care that people think the case is getting old. it's so damn functional. if/when they change up the motherboards for whatever reason it will require a revamped case. now that they have a specific rackmount server, the next Pro case design can really be optimized for the needs of the pro user, whatever they are determined to be. if it is a tweaked version of the current case, i'll still be happy. i love how easy it is to get inside. i can't really think of where it needs fixing. the only thing would be, maybe, another full sized front bay or something. though, if they had combo drives when i got my machine i would not have a CD burner sitting on top of my case. the idea of being able to mount everything in the case is more of a security/clean style thing. except the power users that need many PCI slots (Audio/Video, scsi users), everything else you would need is available externally and could be added to an iMac. honestly i would think many of the current powermac owners could really use an iMac and be fine. maybe Apple is trying to make them realize it?

The first minute of the keynote we'll know as Jobs lays out his 5 or so major points. I predict the last point, which is typically the biggest announcement, will say "PowerMac." Woo-hoo! MWSF the last point was "iMac" w/the introduction of the flat panel iMac G4)

but that doesnt include the "oh, and one more thing" line........ also that january keynote was kinda strange. it seems to be a common thought that the updated G4 towers were ready, but since it was a minor upgrade (though it did hit the 1Ghz mark) they didnt want to distract any fans/press from the iMac. you know some journalists would say somehting about the new iMac and then stick in somehting about the Pro machine has finally hit about half the speed of Pentium chips. i know about the megahurtz myth and all, but you know it would be done. i think the G4 delay was clever on their part. *if* they REALLY revamp the G4 with DDR Ram and quasimatrons and gonkulators and whatever else, then i would hope they spend some keynote time pointing it all out. it is also a good chance for joe user to see the new things inside for the first time. most stores don't show you the opened case and you have to kind of guess what's going on. there are still many stores selling Apple gear with undereducated staff. the expo should be where you can get all your questions answered correctly, at least till there are more Apple stores.

ImAlwaysRight
Jul 11, 2002, 02:19 PM
Seems like the G4 Quicksilver is EOL'ed. Why else would Proline Distribution have a huge closeout sale (no returns) on all these Quicksilver parts? NEW POWERMACS HERE WE COME!

http://store.yahoo.com/buyproline/quicg4par.html

Moonlight
Jul 11, 2002, 02:20 PM
They fed the consumer the new iMac at MWSF, now they need to show some love for the PRO, show that they care enough to showcase the pro line for MWNY and not a month later with no fanfare..

ImAlwaysRight
Jul 11, 2002, 02:24 PM
I agree with Moonlight. Most are agreed that new towers are in the works, to be shipping by August. Why would Apple not take the opportunity at MWNY to upgrade the PMs, especially if a new case design is involved. I say new towers announced at MWNY.

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BOOMBA
Jul 11, 2002, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by JD2
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Like a lot of you I'd like Steve to leave us with an open mouth after his upcoming "speech". But then again we sometimes want to much more don't we?


God, it's been quite a few Expos since Steve actually WOWED anybody. His famous "One more thing" hasn't appeared in close to 2 years.

Maybe it's just that I follow these rumor sites now, but boy, I have not been surprised by any product announcements in some time.

I hope Apple is causing these "no PowerMacs at MYNY" rumors so they can surprise us at the show.

I would love the show to end with a Jaguar demo, then Steve makes it look like the show is over, and then "Oh, one more thing. I suppose you would like to see some hardware that can actually RUN this OS".

BAM! Crowd ERRUPTS! Their walletts are out before they even see what he's selling, or what new case he crammed it into.

Anyway, that's how I see an Expo worth remembering going down, and Apple sales going up.

Q-bert
Jul 12, 2002, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by BOOMBA
God, it's been quite a few Expos since Steve actually WOWED anybody. His famous "One more thing" hasn't appeared in close to 2 years.

Maybe it's just that I follow these rumor sites now, but boy, I have not been surprised by any product announcements in some time.
It's definitely the rumor site thing. Because the rumor sites have changed the game considerably since then. I can remember a time when there weren't a dozen or so Mac web sites "counting down" until Expo time, when there weren't every Ma and Pa Mac user prognosticating about what might be announced. There was a time when an MacWorld Expo came along, and we got the news the morning of the opening of the show, and were either surprised, happy, unhappy, or whatever.

Now, all this rumor forecasting has changed everything - it's like being a kid and having a panel of CNN-style talking heads sitting around a table with you weeks before your birthday, endlessly debating and predicting what gifts you might get. Individually, they have no idea what they're talking about and they'll probably be wrong, but if there are enough of them at that table and they spend enough time guessing, SOMETHING's gonna be right by sheer quantity, thereby spoiling any chance of a surprise.

I dunno. I don't begrudge the rumor sites' right to exist, but in many ways, they definitely take the fun out of Apple announcements by spending so much time speculating on every possible potential outcome of an Apple keynote beforehand. And like the proverbial kid at his birthday, I can't seem to resist reading them, either. I resist letting my personal and business purchase decisions be affected by rumor sites, but the Mac enthusiast in me can't help myself from at least following the latest rumors. And, like you, I'm never surprised by what is announced.

I'm thinking maybe it's time to lay off the rumor crack pipe - this stuff is really bad for my health... :-)

BOOMBA
Jul 12, 2002, 09:33 AM
I think the whole idea that Apple needs to push back a PowerMac update one month to clear inventory is a bad move, if true.
Apple has pretty much not updated the PowerMac in a year aside from slight speed bumps that still fall behind PCs (except when running specific Photoshop filters).

I say Apple should use some of it's $5Billion to suck up a loss on the old G4s it still has in stock, and unleash the new machines.

Donate the old ones to schools for a tax write off, discount them to slightly above cost in a special $1000 G4 Tower promo, whatever, but show us the new stuff.

I really need a better performing PowerMac, but a lot of people would be thrilled with a 1GHz machine, and would take a cheap one ($1100 or so), even knowing the new ones are shipping in a month. They don't need the speed, and won't apend $3000 for it anyway, and Apple needs to unload the machines.

Towers at $1100 would sell out in about 1 week. Sure, it would be obvious that a new computer is coming, but so what?

All it could do is increase the number of Macs out there.
Anyone who was going to buy a new DDR PowerMac is still going to wait, but you might sell a bunch of old towers (and towers need monitors) to non-power users.

everyone would be happy. Especially ME, and that's what matters.

:)

Grokgod
Jul 15, 2002, 01:19 PM
I agree with you BOOMBA!

I would buy a cheap 1 giger to hold me till the new models come out!

Then I could roll the 1 giger over to my girlfriend!

It would be a smart move for APPLE, andas you said it would increase market share and get a lot of new users online with APPLE!

So I agree with every thing you said except the last part,

about WHAT MATTERS is that your happy!

It also matters what makes me HAPPY!

But since we agree its a mute point! :)