New Apple Displays?

[MacRumors]

ThinkSecret provides details (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html) for the long rumored redesigned Apple displays.

According to the rumor site, the new displays will offer DVI connectors in lieu of Apple's ADC connector and also offer firewire connectors built in.

The new screens should come in at 20" (1680x1050), 23" (1920x1200) and 30" (2560x1600) sizes with dramatically new aluminum designs. ThinkSecret also offers an artist rendition of the new screens (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html).

A 30" Apple LCD has long been rumored.

[dizastor]

Sweet... except for the whole DVI business.

I want one.

Edit: Boo on the edit.

[Phatpat]

A sub-$1000 20" lcd would be splendid

[makkystyle]

Awesome... A new dual 2.5 and 30" would suit my office nicely. Now if only I had $6,000. Doh.

[Wonder Boy]

awesome. i'll pick up a 30in display when the 3ghz g5 is released....in january 05.

[etoiles]

Awesome... A new dual 2.5 and 30" would suit my office nicely. Now if only I had $6,000. Doh.

I hope you are right and the 30" doesn't cost more than $3000...

[starcrossed]

From the look of this new display it looks like Apple wants to enter the TV market like Dell, but its a little unfortunate that this 30'' Monster would only be available for the PowerMac G5s. Still good news for me since I could now buy a 20'' at a cheaper price or better yet a 23'' at the cost of a 20'', cause I highly doubt Apple would increase the price of already high priced displays. Also I like the idea of being able to save money on that damn ADC-DVI adapter for my Powerbook!! At first it seem a little ugly but I remember back when ThinkSecret broke the story of 3G iPods and I thought the artist rendering showed an ugly-looking iPod, but once released I thought they were actually much more beautiful than my 1G iPod, so we'll see in the coming days as I tend to keep an open ear to ThinkSecret.

[afields]

Sweet. Although I wish there was a cost-effective 17" option. I hope they can get the 20" under a thousand. The question is, when? I hope they release it at the same time as the new powermacs.

[Exponent]

Those "Artist Renditions" look an awful lot like someone traced over an existing photograph....

[King Cobra]

Apple needs some big price cuts on their displays to get them screaming out the doors and into the hands of consumers, not bigger displays. It would be best to have both....obviously, that's not going to happen. The old displays will be bought/sold on eBay and the new displays will look better and still be overpriced (in comparison with almost any other TFT monitor you find in MacMall etc.).

[aswitcher]

Great news (rumor)

Glad to see DVI...much cheaper

Shame that the 30" only works with G5PM...

Looking forward to the optomistic price point. Now if only Apple had a cheap Digital tuner accessory...

[agentmouthwash]

I think it's a good idea Apple is dumping the ADC for DVI.
ADC is a great idea, but DVI is industry standard and they
will make more money selling a ton of these.

[iGary]

One word: ugly.

I like the cut in half G5 Photoshop job that was circulating a couple of months ago.

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Hey, did i say it's ugly? :p

[Sun Baked]

Sweet... except for the whole DVI business.

I want one.

and OMG my first... first postActually the switch to DVI will eventually mean that we will be getting video card soon after they start shipping to PC users.

Right now we are waiting 6 months to a year to see the PC cards updated to ADC, then they tend to stay around awhile.

So the killing of ADC can be the best news for Mac users in quite awhile, especially for PowerBook users.

---

Remember PCI-e is right around the corner, and without DVI monitors we will be in a world of hurt during the transition as we wait for them to layout the new cards all over again to add the ADC inline crap to the card.

With DVI we should be making a smooth transition to PCI-e rather quick.

[mactastic]

I think the loss of ADC was a good idea. Sure the idea was nice, but Apple needs to sell these displays. Plus didn't you have to get ADC video cards made special? This should allow some flexibility with the video cards then too.

Apple display quality is always excellent, so I'm sure these will be stunning. I can't wait to drop into my local Apple reseller and check a 30" Apple display out......

[Freg3000]

FireWire!!!!! 30 Inches!!!!! 2560 X 1600!!!!!

Only bad thing is more cords....but that is ok! :D

[Frobozz]

This is FAR more interesting than their PM G5 predictions. I don't know about you guys/gals, but a 20 inch 1600 x 1000 LCD under $1,000 would be a dream. I have a 1280 x 1024 Sony LCD and it's so much better on my eyes than a CRT. Plays games well, too. Plus, all of my friends are jealous. :-)

[Mattski]

I would be very dissapointed if ADC is dropped. Who want's an additional powerpack and clutter on their desk?

ADC is one of the things that I love about Apple displays. One connector, no mess.

:(

[Frobozz]

Actually the switch to DVI will eventually mean that we will be getting video card soon after they start shipping to PC users.

Right now we are waiting 6 months to a year to see the PC cards updated to ADC, then they tend to stay around awhile.

So the killing of ADC can be the best news for Mac users in quite awhile, especially for PowerBook users.

---

Remember PCI-e is right around the corner, and without DVI monitors we will be in a world of hurt during the transition as we wait for them to layout the new cards all over again to add the ADC inline crap to the card.

With DVI we should be making a smooth transition to PCI-e rather quick.

I agree. No ADC requirement means ATI / nVidia 3rd party contractors can build cards for Apple faster. Doesn't necessarily mean they will... but it'd be nice to have an ATI x800 right about now. My next G5 will have one if I can possibly do it.

[thogs_cave]

I think it's a good idea Apple is dumping the ADC for DVI.
ADC is a great idea, but DVI is industry standard and they
will make more money selling a ton of these.

Yep - it's been a nightmare for me in a mixed Apple/Sun/SGI/Peecee environment trying to keep the adaptors straight. Everyone seems to be agreeing on DVI, which makes my life easier. Dual-input would really make me even happier, as many of us end up using 3rd-party monitors just to get that ability.

Luckily, Samsung's SyncMasters are decent enough LCD's - not chub-inducing like Apple's displays, but enough to keep me happy. :D

[jwhitnah]

Too bad about the extra wires but 30" and firewire! Awesome. :cool:

[Laslo Panaflex]

So with built in firewire, does that mean there is a firewire cable to connect the monitor to the computer and to make a firewire hub. I don't know, this really doesn't make much sense, DVI doesn't carry power, so you need to plug it in to power also. If this is the case, then I am very happy with my ADC 23" cinema, one cable is very clean, and I get a USB hub in the monitor, I have more USB than firewire appliances.

Really, this doesn't appeal to me, I am cofortable with the 23" plus my cpd 540, and I really don't care if it matches the G5. Now, if the pixel response and brightness were different, that would be a different story. I am holding judgment untill they are released, thinksecret has lost my trust since their "comfirmed june 8th G5 updates".

[LaMerVipere]

I hope they offer a 17" widescreen display too! I can't afford a $999.00 20-inch display, but $699 can definitely be done. C'mon apple, I wanna give you more money! :)

Why would they only offer 20" and above? Some people like/need 17" :confused:

[dizastor]

ADC is one of the things that I love about Apple displays. One connector, no mess.

Exactly...

I have a daisy chain of surge strips as it is... and my cinema display has an ADC connector. No more plugs! :(

[JOD8FY]

I can't believe this. I came on the site 2 mins. after this was posted thinking that I could get first post and here I am at number 19. :D :D

Anyway, I like the idea of a 30" display, but that artist who drew that thing should be fired. That thing is gross. Looks worse than a PC display, you know, like those kind that Dell makes. Apple wouldn't release that. I still support the Aluminum displays.

JOD8FY

EDIT: Make that number 27 :D :D

:(

[Sun Baked]

I would be very dissapointed if ADC is dropped. Who want's an additional powerpack and clutter on their desk?

ADC is one of the things that I love about Apple displays. One connector, no mess.

:(Then you must really enjoy paying $400 for an ADC card that is selling for $120 in the PC world (and quite possibly with a faster clock and more RAM).

Or paying an extra $99 for and ADC adapter when you own a portable machine.

[pncc]

Someone want to explain to me how FireWire ports are going to work? With ADC, the USB cabling was within the ADC cable. With that gone, where is the FireWire cable coming from?? DVI Certainly can't handle that. This MUST be a FireWire HUB right?

[mikeyredk]

Any reason why the 30" won't work on anything besides a G5?

[whenpaulsparks]

30"? great. but why not a 17" widescreen?

1400 x whatever. perfect size. and i would so take a $600 display over a $1000 20". itd be stupid for apple to have 20" their smallest. not everyone can fit a huge powermac G5 and 20" display on their desk.

[jwhitnah]

I would be very dissapointed if ADC is dropped. Who want's an additional powerpack and clutter on their desk?

ADC is one of the things that I love about Apple displays. One connector, no mess.

:(
I agree that from an innovation standpoint, it is a step back. On the other hand this may allow them to drop the price a bit (or take the extra profit) with added incentive for Wintel users to buy (no adapter).

[crowdaddy]

2 things:

What use will a firewire port have on a monitor other than a webcam?

I wish they have a TV tuner or RCA inputs built into the monitor, now that would be sweet: an all in one monitor that suits your entertainment needs!

[uv23]

The new screens should come in at 20" (1680x1050), 23" (1920x1200) and 30" (2560x1600) sizes
Hmm those resolutions seem awfully low. I get 1280 x 1024 on my 17" LCD. I'd expect more than an extra 36 vertical pixels with a full 3" size increase.

[iGary]

I would be very dissapointed if ADC is dropped. Who want's an additional powerpack and clutter on their desk?

ADC is one of the things that I love about Apple displays. One connector, no mess.

:(

I love my 20" ACD and its one cord.

[boy]

Im glad ADC will (hopefully) be gone. It will makes things much easier... compatibility wise.

I also agree with what someone said that this is much better news than G5 bumbs.

The display line apple has got is VERY outdated. And their high price dont help either... maybe Apple got their act together and learned how to make stunning beautiful display, without sacrificing some ones wallet.

[Sun Baked]

Someone want to explain to me how FireWire ports are going to work? With ADC, the USB cabling was within the ADC cable. With that gone, where is the FireWire cable coming from?? DVI Certainly can't handle that. This MUST be a FireWire HUB right?Yes it probably is a FW/USB hub along with being one of the communication methods available for the monitor to communicate with the computer.

So it'll mean plugging into FW/USB ports on the machine in addition to the DVI port.

Including FW ports on the Monitor probably means that the TV devices mentioned before will probably be around the corner.

[A Mac Gamer]

I hope they offer a 17" widescreen display too! I can't afford a $999.00 20-inch display, but $699 can definitely be done. C'mon apple, I wanna give you more money!

Why would they only offer 20" and above? Some people like/need 17"

I Agree, maybe a lower price too? :cool:

[jwhitnah]

2 things:

What use will a firewire port have on a monitor other than a webcam?

I wish they have a TV tuner or RCA inputs built into the monitor, now that would be sweet: an all in one monitor that suits your entertainment needs!

Well if you don't keep the G5 on the desk, you do alot of stooping everytime you want to hook up the video camera or the ipod. I think it is a great idea. More flexibility.

[jwhitnah]

One word: ugly.

I like the cut in half G5 Photoshop job that was circulating a couple of months ago.

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Hey, did i say it's ugly? :p
Stop beating around the bush. Come out with it. Don't be shy. :D

[thogs_cave]

Why would they only offer 20" and above? Some people like/need 17" :confused:

Agreed - the "bigger is better" thing is kinda hard on some of us. I have an unusual vision problem that makes it quite hard for me to use big displays. :(

A 17" is just about perfect for me, and is what I usually use. Heck, a 12" is really good, but it's not really a good size for any resolution over 1024x768, and I need 1280x1024.

Granted, I'm an unusual case, but there must be others out there who don't prefer huge monitors.

[skinastar]

i think that apple dipping into the window's market is great and these beautiful displays will start selling better than Apple has been doing in this market up till now. One more cord is too bad, but everyone else has multiple cords so it won't be a major downpoint to buyers. Plus with 30" and the kind of resolution it's offering, who's gonna care about 1/4 thick cord running for 6 inches BEHIND THE MONITOR before it ducks done beneath the desk

[jihad the movie]

ADC and DVI should be an option. say a 699 20 inch DVI and a 799 ADC 20 inch. I would GLADLY pay the 100 extra bucks, but for somebody who doesn't care for ADC, sure, go ahead and get the DVI. Some like ADC, some don't. I have too many cables as is. It is pretty miserable. And why couldn't Apple just open up ADC as a standard? It makes sense, if more people jumped on, I am sure the price would drop. It does have some nice advantages outside of cost, and low compatibility now.

[technocoy]

the resolutions are not awefully low... they are widescreen.

second, the point is being missed here, this IS apple's latest foray into the entertainment electronics market. they are HD ready. meaning they can be used as a flat panel TV as well. if they release these for the same price points as the 23in, they are opening a whole new revenue stream... that is CHEAP for a HD monitor. now what if steve-o's little grin was these bad-boys with an interface and remote for the airport express audio capabilities? (or connect a small box that allows this?) or what if the firewire ports allow you to connect your iPod and view your photos and videos that are stored on your next-gen iPod?

the second probably not so likely, but i think the first one is. control your iTunes library right from these HD multimedia monitors... friggin' SWEET ASS!

this is going to be one exciting ride! :D

[jaw04005]

ThinkSecret provides details (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html) for the long rumored redesigned Apple displays.

According to the rumor site, the new displays will offer DVI connectors in lieu of Apple's ADC connector and also offer firewire connectors built in.

The new screens should come in at 20" (1680x1050), 23" (1920x1200) and 30" (2560x1600) sizes with dramatically new aluminum designs. ThinkSecret also offers an artist rendition of the new screens (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html).

A 30" Apple LCD has long been rumored.

*jumps up and down and chants DVI...DVI...DVI* wohooo, finally I can buy a KVM switch that doesn't cost a fortune!

[DGFan]

Hmm those resolutions seem awfully low. I get 1280 x 1024 on my 17" LCD. I'd expect more than an extra 36 vertical pixels with a full 3" size increase.

Well, you expect wrongly. The current 20" ACD has 1680x1050.

[uv23]

the resolutions are not awefully low... they are widescreen
I'm sick of this widescreen fad. Not everyone wants a big monior to watch DVDs on. Some of us need real estate on which to do actual work. And a lame vertical resolution isn't going to do me any good when I'm dealing with large indesign spreads.

[Mattski]

Then you must really enjoy paying $400 for an ADC card that is selling for $120 in the PC world (and quite possibly with a faster clock and more RAM).

Or paying an extra $99 for and ADC adapter when you own a portable machine.

For those of us who don't play games.....who cares about the card? (Providing it supports Quartz Extreme)

I'm not doubting the advantages of the move, I just like the single connector. Very few moves are positive for everyone. This one isn't positive for me.

Clenliness is next to Godliness. Gameliness may be closer to the devil ;)

[Finiksa]

No ADC! that seriously sucks… if true.

How the hell are they going to get USB and Firewire into the display?

Display----------------- Power brick
|
|----DVI
|----USB
|----Firewire

That's going to be a dog's breakfast of cable clutter and you'll presumably lose the use of a Firewire and USB port on the back of your Powermac.

I certainly hope this isn't true, I'd rather buy a current model ADC display.

Long live ADC.

[uv23]

Well, you expect wrongly. The current 20" ACD has 1680x1050.But you see, technology has this great habbit of improving over time.

[macboi1981]

Hmm those resolutions seem awfully low. I get 1280 x 1024 on my 17" LCD. I'd expect more than an extra 36 vertical pixels with a full 3" size increase.

Do you have a widescreen 17" LCD? These new displays, I would assume, will be widescreen. That would account for the seeming small gain in vertical pixels. :)

[dho]

Any reason why the 30" won't work on anything besides a G5?

Anything else would have a tough time handling the load.

Most graphics cards would have trouble doing just about anything on that high of a resolution. Thats why they would require faster cpus and gpus

[technocoy]

this is just me, but i actually prefer my widescreen for inDesign spreads... and the widescreen thing is not just a "fad" it the way most things are going, and for multimedia/TV purposes has even been mandated by the FCC for displaying HD signals in a 16:9 format. but again, thats just me. i wouldn't trade my sidescreen for anything, and I'm a graphic designer as well.

[dontmatter]

Does DVI mean that these will be PC compatible? I know some high end PC users who would be quite interested in apple screens... Although they want the 3 legged easel style to go, and I kinda agree.

Don't know if I like that you can have all the style and beauty of apple on the desk but have the PC underneath...

then again, in 30 inches there is no hiding the uglyness of windows!

will only the new G5's be able to support these resolutions, though?

[brianrubinton@m]

I would get one of these but it should have video inputs so you can connect it with cable tv. I would buy one of those than.

[awesomebase]

I think it is best that Apple drop the ADC port... look at it this way... if Apple produced the video cards it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but, with the waiting times we have to get good graphics cards, I'll be glad to see the ADC connection go. Besides, an extra power cord isn't a big deal, Apple keeps them small enough already.
As for price points, lets hope it looks something like $999, $1499, $2499 respectively for the 20", 23", and 30" LCDs. That is my guess. It is still higher than I would like personally, but, at least it is an improvement over current prices and the drop of the ADC connector should help. Of course, if Apple were smart, they may consider dropping the prices to be more competitive now that the monitors can be used for PCs too! (Most PC users LOVE Apple displays, but who wants to pay $150 to $250 extra for the ADC-DVI connector?)
Now that the Airport Express is out, lets hope that an iPod Express (my guess at the Wi-Fi enabled iPod name) is ready to come out too! (Then you could control the audio from your new iPod!!) That would make the display, AirTunes, and the iPod Express a cool combination!

[macridah]

What great innovation. Somehow the firewire and usb ports will lead to other innovative products ... a la AirPort Express.

I totally agree the prices have to get slashed. Oh boy ... this years WWDC will definitely be worth it. Usually products get annouced but are not available for weeks or months. The only way to see any products released between now and then is to go to WWDC-just like the iPod mini.

[uv23]

this is just me, but i actually prefer my widescreen for inDesign spreads... and the widescreen thing is not just a "fad" it the way most things are going, and for multimedia/TV purposes has even been mandated by the FCC for displaying HD signals in a 16:9 format. but again, thats just me. i wouldn't trade my sidescreen for anything, and I'm a graphic designer as well.
Every pixel is valuable, especially when dealing with closeups. I constantly find myself wishing for more vertical space. All I know is every other manufacturer's 20" offering that I've looked at gives 1600x1200. When it's time to spend my dollars, odds are they won't go toward an inferior product, even if it has an apple on the back. That's not me being belligerent. It's me doing the best thing for myself and my business. Then again, if they can rotate...

[jwhitnah]

I think it is best that Apple drop the ADC port... look at it this way... if Apple produced the video cards it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but, with the waiting times we have to get good graphics cards, I'll be glad to see the ADC connection go. Besides, an extra power cord isn't a big deal, Apple keeps them small enough already.
Exactly. Put the damn brick on the floor under the table and enjoy 30" of HDTV.

[agentmouthwash]

THE PROS:
(1) Same video cards as the windows world
(2) No expensive ADC-DVI converter
(3) More folks from the PC/Linux crowd will buy them, More $ for Apple


THE CONS:
2 cords instead of one.


Come on everybody get real! Who cares if it has 2 cords?
How many times do you plug and unplug the monitor from your
computer anyways?

[cybermat]

Aluminum display.. Hmm, does that mean Apple is going to release aluminum pro keyboard and mouse to go with the whole aluminum look? That will be cool. I think getting rid of the ADC is a good idea especially for powerbook users like me. Now I just hope Apple can bring the price down low enough so that I can afford it.

[technocoy]

but i don't think that apple would do it for us designers only... and we are the only ones who would use this to any great extent. oh, well. but it also falls into the apple being hi-design arena. i guess they assume that if you REALLY hate their 16:9 ratio (or 16:10) that you can always go get a formac display or something... kinda like a one button mouse!

but if you are looking for 4:3 then i do think the formac displays are very nice!

technocoy

[rareflares]

Great news!

[BornAgainMac]

ADC was a nice idea but if it's holding third-party support then it has to go. I will miss the advantage of only one cable. Those new video cards better be good and not last year's technology.

[chewbaccapits]

THE PROS:
(1) Same video cards as the windows world
(2) No expensive ADC-DVI converter
(3) More folks from the PC/Linux crowd will buy them, More $ for Apple


THE CONS:
2 cords instead of one.


Come on everybody get real! Who cares if it has 2 cords?
How many times do you plug and unplug the monitor from your
computer anyways?

No kidding...I would think that with DVIs as the standard, the displays should be cheaper..Let's hope...

[uv23]

but i don't think that apple would do it for us designers only... and we are the only ones who would use this to any great extent. oh, well. but it also falls into the apple being hi-design arena. i guess they assume that if you REALLY hate their 16:9 ratio (or 16:10) that you can always go get a formac display or something... kinda like a one button mouse!

but if you are looking for 4:3 then i do think the formac displays are very nice!

technocoy
Or I guess dig deeper and go fo the 23"... :eek: My poor bank account. Anyways, I'll reserve judgement until I see the actual product on Apple's site with real life specs.

[Meall]

Good news maybe, but since not every body need 30" of display, a cheaper 17" model could be nice. I'd like to see a 17" competitive with other available on the market. Up to now, Apple displays have always been a little bit higher in price than, for example, comparable Viewsonic models. :eek:

Especialy for someone like me looking at a 12" PB, no need for a 30" that will not work anyway with it! And no need for an aditional adaptor that make it even less competitive... :rolleyes:

[DGFan]

All I know is every other manufacturer's 20" offering that I've looked at gives 1600x1200.

Doesn't that mean they're not widescreen?

[uv23]

Doesn't that mean they're not widescreen?
Right. If you noticed my earlier posts, widescreen means nothing to me. Or to anyone I work with.

[QCassidy352]

ooh, soon, I hope. I like the switch to DVI because now I don't have to buy a $100 adapter for my powerbook... just let us have them! :D

[mactarkus]

I gotta say I loved ADC strictly for cable management. It would be nice if instead of ADC, they used some kind of breakout box that could be placed on the floor with FW, USB2, power, and video feeding into it and one cable to my monitor -- keeping my desk nice and neat.

[DGFan]

Right. If you noticed my earlier posts, widescreen means nothing to me. Or to anyone I work with.

And I am sure your workplace represents the broad spectrum of the possible market.
:rolleyes:

[~Shard~]

Does DVI mean that these will be PC compatible? I know some high end PC users who would be quite interested in apple screens... Although they want the 3 legged easel style to go, and I kinda agree.

Yes, it does indeed mean they would be compatible with PCs. Well, technically the other Apple displays were compatible as well, but PC users would have to buy a $100 ADC to DVI converter to utilize them.

As well, without an ADC connector to worry about, this should mean that the graphics cards companies should be able to churn out video cards for Apple with greater ease, with them only being DVI. Sure it's extra cables, but I'll ask the rhetoric question of "how many extra cables?" Exactly... ;)

[DTG]

Shame about the demise of ADC, I might have to dash out and get one of the current displays before they're EOL now.

I don't think I could juggle another power cable! I already have one for my:
Cable modem
Wireless router
Power Mac (G3)
Stereo

all those on a four-socket power strip, plus my mobile charger from time to time. Another permanent cable would fill me up!

You would think it's likely that at least the next revision of Power Macs will support ADC though, right?

[technocoy]

his workplace is a large part of the target market... he's a designer.

[ZildjianKX]

Yes, no more ADC!
Yes, a smaller footprint!
Yes, USB 2.0 and Firewire hubs!

Finally, Apple listens to their customers.

Now let's hear all the dead-pixels complaints when they ship :D

[Jeff Harrell]

It's not two cables instead of one, guys. It's four. DVI, power, USB, FireWire.

Hell with that.

In other news... how about putting a USB audio widget in the monitor so I can plug the speakers into the monitor instead of stringing a six-foot cable down to the floor?

Of course, if that makes it five cables instead of the present one, then forget I said anything.

[Koodauw]

I hope it is more stunning in person than it looks. I don't like the look of the new one at all. But its all good, cause I can pick up one of the older models (which I think are still cool lookin even if they are old) at a good price. I hope there is a 20'' cinema display in my future!

[lancerx78]

hmmm... is it possible that these displays might use wireless firewire? That would explain the presence of firewire ports...

[MegaSignal]

One word: ugly.

I like the cut in half G5 Photoshop job that was circulating a couple of months ago.

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Hey, did i say it's ugly? :p

Let's only hope that this drawing is inaccurate...

[Finiksa]

It's not two cables instead of one, guys. It's four. DVI, power, USB, FireWire.

Exactly!

That's one butt ugly solution to a non existent problem. If they insist on going to DVI I think it would have been a little more elegant and in keeping with Apple design philosophy to drop the USB and Firewire on the display.

[MegaSignal]

I would be very dissapointed if ADC is dropped. Who want's an additional powerpack and clutter on their desk?

ADC is one of the things that I love about Apple displays. One connector, no mess.

:(

If ADC is truly dropped, so much for "thinking differently".

[etoiles]

doesn't the stand look a bit flimsy for a 30" screen ? Looks like the screen would tip over when you plug/unplug any devices...

I'd expect something a bit more sturdy, along the lines of Samsung's big LCD screens (more elegant, of course ;) )

[Jeff Harrell]

Oh, hey, there's something else I forgot to mention in my previous comment.

According to Think Secret, the new displays will have a single arm instead of the present tripod design. That sounds bogus to me. Until recently, I had one of Viewsonic's high-end LCDs on my desk at work. It had a vertical arm that was joined to the back of the screen in the same basic way as illustrated on Think Secret. Every little move I made, even when just typing, was telegraphed into the desk, up the monitor's post, and into the screen. The result? My display was constantly jiggling slightly back and forth. It made me crazy.

The virtue of the present tripod design is that the display is rock-solid-stable.

I hope this rumor turns out to be false.

[Sun Baked]

It's not two cables instead of one, guys. It's four. DVI, power, USB, FireWire...

...Of course, if that makes it five cables instead of the present one, then forget I said anything.Not to mention the extra cables needed for the HDTV tuner, and speakers (if you didn't add them before). :eek: :D

[uv23]

And I am sure your workplace represents the broad spectrum of the possible market.
:rolleyes:As a book publisher, I'd say it represents a pretty good facet of the intended pro market, yes.

[Trekkie]

I would be very dissapointed if ADC is dropped. Who want's an additional powerpack and clutter on their desk?

ADC is one of the things that I love about Apple displays. One connector, no mess.

:(
yeah but it's also the reason there's about three video cards for the PowerMac. Going DVI means anyone can make a display driver and off we go now. This is great news.

[uv23]

his workplace is a large part of the target market... he's a designer.Thank you sir. As I said, I'm not just beating rocks together for the helluvit. It's a valid concern.

[cr2sh]

...or...your new G5 PowerBook :rolleyes:

"The 30-inch model will only work with the Power Mac G5 and a high-end graphics card."

Did you even read the article?

While I don't believe the statement.. how is this screen going to tell the difference between a g5 and a powerbook dvi signal? Why would Apple do that? It makes no sense at all.

Also, I for one.. love that artist's rendition. That's what I've been wanting since day one...

I don't believe the firewire claim either. :rolleyes:

[~Shard~]

It's not two cables instead of one, guys. It's four. DVI, power, USB, FireWire.

Hell with that.

You gotta think outside the box man - this is Apple - it'll have wireless firewire, wireless USB and wireless power - that leaves you with 1 cable - everything else will plug into an Airport Express... ;)

[blackcrayon]

It's not two cables instead of one, guys. It's four. DVI, power, USB, FireWire.

Hell with that.

In other news... how about putting a USB audio widget in the monitor so I can plug the speakers into the monitor instead of stringing a six-foot cable down to the floor?

Of course, if that makes it five cables instead of the present one, then forget I said anything.

Or if you don't need to plug firewire devices into your monitor, you're down to 3. And if you don't need to plug USB devices into your monitor and can adjust the brightness and turn on the computer manually, you're down to 2.

The people that will go nuts because there are extra cables (you), will be fine with the horrible inconvenience of reaching for the computer instead of the display to plug in peripherals :D

[t^3]

You would think it's likely that at least the next revision of Power Macs will support ADC though, right?
Well, current PMG5's video cards have both ADC and DVI, so there should be no reason why new models couldn't support ADC. For those who are complaining about multiple cables, it might be possible to bundle all the cables in one larger cable, and at the end, have everything split off. Apple could also incorporate a power outlet in the next Power Macs which would help with the mess.

[charlesc]

It's not two cables instead of one, guys. It's four. DVI, power, USB, FireWire.

Hell with that.

In other news... how about putting a USB audio widget in the monitor so I can plug the speakers into the monitor instead of stringing a six-foot cable down to the floor?

Of course, if that makes it five cables instead of the present one, then forget I said anything.

If these rumors about the displays are true there will be TWO cables running out of the back of the monitor. There will be one thick cable running out of the monitor to your tower, at the tower end of the cable it will split into three connectors (FW, USB, DVI), and of course there will be a second (power) cable.

[dashiel]

I'm sick of this widescreen fad. Not everyone wants a big monior to watch DVDs on. Some of us need real estate on which to do actual work. And a lame vertical resolution isn't going to do me any good when I'm dealing with large indesign spreads.


uhm... if you're doing "spreads" wouldn't widescreen be a better choice anyway? as i recall (it's been ages since i've done print) a magazine spread is wider than it is longer, barring some bizarro format.

as someone else pointed out widescreen is not a fad, but rather a trend to display information is a format more akin to our natural vision. pretty much all motion/interactive media is widescreen. apple while not having given up on the print world, is no longer interested in innovation for that industry. video (as evidenced early on by their hyping oh imovie as the next DTP-esque revolution and the subsquent releases of FCP, motion, shake etc...) is where apple is focusing their efforts in terms of content creation.

and for what it's worth, there was plenty of really great design done back when macs were only capable of displaying a whopping 480 pixels of horizontal solution.

[crees!]

It's not two cables instead of one, guys. It's four. DVI, power, USB, FireWire.

Hell with that.

In other news... how about putting a USB audio widget in the monitor so I can plug the speakers into the monitor instead of stringing a six-foot cable down to the floor?

Of course, if that makes it five cables instead of the present one, then forget I said anything.

Actually it's six. DVI, Power, 2 USB and 2 FW. But you only need the DVI and Power to use the display... right? If so, don't get all fussy about something that's not available yet. I'm sure the USB and FW have other purposes behind them.

[cr2sh]

You gotta think outside the box man - this is Apple - it'll have wireless firewire, wireless USB and wireless power - that leaves you with 1 cable - everything else will plug into an Airport Express... ;)

That's not thinking outside the box, that's thinking in circles. Why have wireless firewire in a display.. why not put it in revB powermacs... what, does it extend the range of the desktop sitting 3 feet away?

Maybe put airport in it.. god who knows, everything was so much simpler before airport express. You gotta have power, you gotta have dvi... why include anyother ports if 802.11g is available as well?

[DGFan]

his workplace is a large part of the target market... he's a designer.

Apple can't make its design decisions for cinema displays based on a portion of the designer market because:
1) it's a small market
2) some designers do want widescreen displays

Portait page layout is one of the few things where it may be a necessity to have a particular type of display. But, hey, if you're a specialist, get a specialty display. But widescreen is better for virtually everything....and everyone...else.

[Finiksa]

You gotta think outside the box man - this is Apple - it'll have wireless firewire, wireless USB and wireless power - that leaves you with 1 cable - everything else will plug into an Airport Express... ;)

What, no wireless DVI?

That sucks… come on Apple innovate ;)

[MegaSignal]

Well, current PMG5's video cards have both ADC and DVI, so there should be no reason why new models couldn't support ADC. For those who are complaining about multiple cables, it might be possible to bundle all the cables in one larger cable, and at the end, have everything split off. Apple could also incorporate a power outlet in the next Power Macs which would help with the mess.

That sounds like a mess - a "dog's breakfast" as another poster mentioned. Yuck! Oh well, guess those of us neat freaks (who don't need major computing horsepower) can always hope for a G5 iMac...

Now more than ever I'm truly thankful for picking up one of the last 20-inchers; goes along with the cabinet of my MDD G4 very nicely :D !

[locovaca]

Two points:

1. There's no reason that Apple has to make all the cables seperate! They'll probably just do a design similiar to the ADC now- one cable coming off of the monitor, but have it break out at the CPU end of things into the distinct components. Take a look at the ATI AIW line of cards- they don't have millions of svideo and component cables running into the card, but rather one cable that goes to a breakout box.

2. HD is going to suck on these monitors, and that's not what they were designed to do. Why? None of them are native HD resolutions. That means, if they scale the image, it's going to look like crap (you get fractions of pixels and such- take your LCD and knock the resolution down one step and you'll see what I mean)- the advantage of HD is the crystal clear, high resolution picture, and nobody is going to pay money to get a blurry picture. If they decide to just crop the picture your 30" monitor will quickly decrease in size, which will look better but people will still complain. So, I highly doubt that they will have HD input support on these, unless the resolutions are wrong.

[t^3]

Actually it's six. DVI, Power, 2 USB and 2 FW. But you only need the DVI and Power to use the display... right? If so, don't get all fussy about something that's not available yet. I'm sure the USB and FW have other purposes behind them.
Umm...just as the Apple Keyboard (with 2 USB ports) only uses 1 USB cable, I don't see why you would need one cable for each port. Ditto for FW.

[Finiksa]

Actually it's six. DVI, Power, 2 USB and 2 FW. But you only need the DVI and Power to use the display... right? If so, don't get all fussy about something that's not available yet. I'm sure the USB and FW have other purposes behind them.

No it would be four cables. The USB and Firewire would (presumably) use hubs, one cable each.

Sure you might not need to use the USB and Firewire but you'd still have the cables dangling off the back of the display. I somehow doubt Apple would make them detachable.

[t^3]

I just went back to look at the article again, and has anyone noticed that in both illustrations, there is clearly only one cable coming out the back?

[crowdaddy]

Wireless power? Ok, 90%+ of people using it will develop some sort of cancer. I would not like to have a tumor in my chest thanks!

Edit: or on my left nut

[makkystyle]

Right. If you noticed my earlier posts, widescreen means nothing to me. Or to anyone I work with.

i'm not flaming, just honestly asking a question...

As a book publisher, wouldn't widescreen be more conducive to seeing the layout of side by side pages of text? That was the biggest advantage to me when I got my powerbook, I could finally lay two Word documents side by side on the screen and actually be able to read them.

[nacl99]

Widescreen is the only way to go. I'm a graphic designer, and its just so hard to work with spreads, and palettes, etc with a 4:3 Screen.

I'm a little disappointed of how..normal these screens look. The one foot in the middle, the thick bezel, its not exactly ground breaking.

As for the extra cables/power etc... not a big deal to me, when I setup a screen, I don't tend to move it... for a long time. Its not like a 20-30" screen is portable in anyway, nor should it be. Yea to the death of ADC.

[Golem]

I am glad they are going back to DVI sure its one more cable but it isnt that much of a inconvience. Hmm 1 cable carrys 2 firewire and 2 usb ports+1 cable for DVI + Power cord?

I know we had a mess when apple upgraded from Vga ->DVI-> ADC.

We had our old blue 15''s LCD Originals from Apple that were Vga and we still have a couple of those left even now. I think 1 only works for 30 minutes before it warms up and goes caput but it gets used very occasionally. Dont even get me started on the fact that the service cost used be 20% more than the cost of simply buying a new one! We also had the new pinstripe ADC models. But we also had 1 Sawtooth? DVI output computer with matching 17'' inch DVI apple monitor. When we replaced the computer we had to throw in the monitor just to sell the computer. Considering in those days the cost for a 17'' was like 60% of the cost of a new computer. Ouch!

[technocoy]

this is an artists conceptual rendering from the information they received... this is not an apple photo or drawing. the real thing will probably look quite different.

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says...widescreen is great - what they really need to do with them though is make them pivot. Then everyone is happy. we've had some newer HP pivot lcd's come in at work - if they can do it surely Apple can....oh yeah!

[SWC]

I haven't read through the whole thread so someone may have pointed this out already but switching to DVI would be stupid if they are adding firewire as well. That would take the monitor go from one cable to 4 cables (video, power, usb and firewire) I don't see this happening. We already have the ADC-DVI adapter so native DVI isnt that big of a deal.

[crowdaddy]

I hate this rumor crap. It gets everything and everyone in an uproar. The only thing is, without it there would be nothing to talk about. :rolleyes:

[crowdaddy]

I haven't read through the whole thread so someone may have pointed this out already but switching to DVI would be stupid if they are adding firewire as well. That would take the monitor go from one cable to 4 cables (video, power, usb and firewire) I don't see this happening. We already have the ADC-DVI adapter so native DVI isnt that big of a deal.

That suggests maybe wireless firewire is in the works too?

[nacl99]

It doesn't make much sense to use wireless firewire to go 3 feet, plus I'm guess that standard is maybe 400mbps speed, not the 800, which apple has adopted so much.

I'm thinking wireless firewire will crop up with the Wireless Express Video edition, hopefully in the next year. That standard may have enough throughput to push a compress video signal of a pretty good Mpeg2 kinda quality, wouldn't that be awesome?

[~Shard~]

That's not thinking outside the box, that's thinking in circles. Why have wireless firewire in a display.. why not put it in revB powermacs... what, does it extend the range of the desktop sitting 3 feet away?

Maybe put airport in it.. god who knows, everything was so much simpler before airport express. You gotta have power, you gotta have dvi... why include anyother ports if 802.11g is available as well?

Um, I was just joking around buddy - see the ;) at the end of my post? I appreciate the somewhat "serious" reply to my clowning around though... :cool:

[SiliconAddict]

*yawns* Does anyone else think that the artist rendering looks a little to generic? I mean the metallic look for displays are somewhat a dime a dozen:

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/30871933-2-300-front-2.gif http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/30597293-2-300-overview-1.gif
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/30630207-2-300-overview-1.gif


http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/newdisplaysfrontsmall.gif

I like the current design of the current crop of LCD's. They are unique if a tad be dated.

http://www.pixel.com.ar/media/top_012503.jpg I really like the plastic clear look of the Cinema Displays

[Ensoniq]

As others have already said, the illustration clearly shows only ONE thick cable coming out the back of the new screens. There does not need to be 4 cables for DVI/USB/FireWire/Power. There just needs to be 4 connectors.

Imagine one big cable coming out the back of the screen, 3-6 feet long, which ends in what looks like a 4 headed snake, with each snake head being a tiny 2-3 inches long. Look at the back of your PowerMac. See how close the FireWire/USB/Video ports are? All within a tiny little 2x3" area.

So this new cable has 4 connectors on the end that slip into FireWire, USB, and video, and then the power cable somehow attaches to the power brick. YES...you lose one USB/FireWire port on the back of the PowerMac. But you get TWO on the monitor.

The overall space taken up will be that of ONE cable, not 4, and the brick will sit right near your PowerMac...on the floor or desk depending on where you keep your tower.

It's nothing to worry or complain about...and it makes these monitors PC compatible. Think of how well Apple is doing selling the iPod to the OTHER 95% of the computer market? Selling the monitors to them too will mean millions of dollars in sales, and probably a lower price longterm by supporting the industry standard DVI connector, which should mean easier access for video cards for Apple, without the companies needing to built special ADC versions. It's win-win for Apple, and in the long run all of us.

[Photorun]

And we're supposed to believe ThinkSecret about this rumor and the (laughable) sketches... why?!? Seeing how they blew the G5 prediction I'm not putting any stock in any of this, so neither should you people.

[itsa]

ThinkSecret provides details (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html) for the long rumored redesigned Apple displays.

According to the rumor site, the new displays will offer DVI connectors in lieu of Apple's ADC connector and also offer firewire connectors built in.

The new screens should come in at 20" (1680x1050), 23" (1920x1200) and 30" (2560x1600) sizes with dramatically new aluminum designs. ThinkSecret also offers an artist rendition of the new screens (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html).

A 30" Apple LCD has long been rumored.

that looks a LOT like the NEC LCD's out.

[0 and A ai]

Off topic but where are the the hp ipods

the screens look sweet i hope they are avaialbe soon as oppose to 2 months from now. too bad no adc.

[shadowself]

Has anyone noticed that this rumor is inconsistent with the one about the G5s coming out?

NONE of the models listed in the G5 rumor, in their standard configuration, will drive the 30" display. Would Apple ship a monitor that requires the user to buy an expensive video card (besides the computer) to drive the monitor? Maybe, but it would not be wise. The basic top of the line G5 should at least run the 30" display (assuming for the moment it's real). The basic top of the line G5 might not run it fast in it's stock mode, but it should run it.

In fact at 2560x1600 absolutely none of the commodity cards by either ATI or NVIDIA will drive a monitor at that resolution. Not even ATI's new X800 card.

It takes the workstation cards by these two companies to drive this resolution and only specific ones at that (e.g., for ATI only the FIREGL V7100 will do go as high as this resolution topping out at 3840x2400).

I'd love a 30" at 2560x1200. I'd take be one of the first in line if it is less than $2,500 IF (very huge IF) the PowerMac I bought with it had a card in it that drove it at maximum resolution at a decent rate.

If it turns out that I have to pay $3,000 for a PMG5 + $2,500 for a monitor + $$$$ for a high end video card + $$$ for RAM + $$$ for second hard drive (totalling over $8,000 or more with RAM added, etc., etc.) then I'd think about it long and hard -- then probably pass on the 30" monitor and the card to drive it.

However, I think this inconsistency means either the earlier rumor about the G5s is wrong or this one is. Both?

We'll see within the next month.

[SpamJunkie]

I'm sick of this widescreen fad. Not everyone wants a big monior to watch DVDs on. Some of us need real estate on which to do actual work. And a lame vertical resolution isn't going to do me any good when I'm dealing with large indesign spreads.

You've got to be kidding. Wide is best for two page designs like magazines. Even if for some odd reason you only design portrait posters you can still move all of your palettes to the side and get more screen real estate.

[ingenious]

I gotta say I loved ADC strictly for cable management. It would be nice if instead of ADC, they used some kind of breakout box that could be placed on the floor with FW, USB2, power, and video feeding into it and one cable to my monitor -- keeping my desk nice and neat.

Who knows? They might.

[SpamJunkie]

his workplace is a large part of the target market... he's a designer.

I'm a designer too. Quick poll of my coworkers shows not just a preference for widescreen but a LUST for it.

Most designers I know have dual head, which is is really wide screen.

[Laslo Panaflex]

THE PROS:
(1) Same video cards as the windows world
(2) No expensive ADC-DVI converter
(3) More folks from the PC/Linux crowd will buy them, More $ for Apple


THE CONS:
2 cords instead of one.


Come on everybody get real! Who cares if it has 2 cords?
How many times do you plug and unplug the monitor from your
computer anyways?

Oh, and you forgot that anyone with an existing ADC monitor has to buy a ADC to DVI adapter if they want to upgrade their video cards because the new video cards don't have the then obsoleted ADC connector.

Sounds great to me :rolleyes:

[~Shard~]

As others have already said, the illustration clearly shows only ONE thick cable coming out the back of the new screens. There does not need to be 4 cables for DVI/USB/FireWire/Power. There just needs to be 4 connectors.

Imagine one big cable coming out the back of the screen, 3-6 feet long, which ends in what looks like a 4 headed snake, with each snake head being a tiny 2-3 inches long. Look at the back of your PowerMac. See how close the FireWire/USB/Video ports are? All within a tiny little 2x3" area.

So this new cable has 4 connectors on the end that slip into FireWire, USB, and video, and then the power cable somehow attaches to the power brick. YES...you lose one USB/FireWire port on the back of the PowerMac. But you get TWO on the monitor.

The overall space taken up will be that of ONE cable, not 4, and the brick will sit right near your PowerMac...on the floor or desk depending on where you keep your tower.

Definitely an interesting theory - I could see something along those lines. Now I'm very curious to see what the new displays will be like!

It's nothing to worry or complain about...and it makes these monitors PC compatible. Think of how well Apple is doing selling the iPod to the OTHER 95% of the computer market? Selling the monitors to them too will mean millions of dollars in sales, and probably a lower price longterm by supporting the industry standard DVI connector, which should mean easier access for video cards for Apple, without the companies needing to built special ADC versions. It's win-win for Apple, and in the long run all of us.

I completely agree. I praised Apple for making the iPod PC-compatible when they announced that, and now with Airport Express being PC-compatible, I was elated. And now, with DVI monitors looming and the removal of ADC, I see this as just another one of those excellent moves on Apple's part to break more into the PC user's market. I truly believe this is a crucial strategy that Apple needs to keep in mind and exploit in future product releases and updates.

[crumbz]

Hopefully they won't be backordered for 45 days on announcement like the Airport Express.



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Bush is a turd. :D

[agentbristow]

OK, it could just be me, but doesnt the display in this pic look different from the ones that they have now? Most likely just me, but hey i could be right.

[cr2sh]

Um, I was just joking around buddy - see the ;) at the end of my post? I appreciate the somewhat "serious" reply to my clowning around though... :cool:

Oh.. I was.. uh... joking around too, then. ;)

Lots of genuine bad ideas in here today.. I'm sorry I didn't have more faith in you. :D

I was looking at my 32" Sony Wega TV... and I realized.. there's no way I could put a 30" lcd on my desk.. goddamnit thats big!

---

Why doesn't the artist's rendition include a note that says : Stylus not shown? I better be able to draw on this ****.

[Bhennies]

I'm a little disappointed of how..normal these screens look. The one foot in the middle, the thick bezel, its not exactly ground breaking.
Me too. They look a little outdated and conservative. Have you seen the eyegonomic brand displays? They look like the Apple displays SHOULD look.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with the specs though...waiting with credit card in hand for a new 23". It would be nice if the 20" went HD, and the screens could rotate from landscape to portrait. But hey...I'm not complaining.

[windowsblowsass]

Hopefully they won't be backordered for 45 days on announcement like the Airport Express.



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Bush is a turd. :D
take your off topic/slandering comments out of here if you want tha in your sig put it in your sig otherwise go to the political forums

[andrewh]

Thank you sir. As I said, I'm not just beating rocks together for the helluvit. It's a valid concern.

I'm surprised you're not also claiming CRT's are better than LCD's.

[windowsblowsass]

OK, it could just be me, but doesnt the display in this pic look different from the ones that they have now? Most likely just me, but hey i could be right.
it looks like it theres no pinstripes maybe

[Freg3000]

OK, it could just be me, but doesnt the display in this pic look different from the ones that they have now? Most likely just me, but hey i could be right.

It's you. It looks like the old cinema display.

[theSingleCell]

why would the 30" only work on g5's? I hope thats not true, one of my customers has 2 17" PB's with a 20 Cine, he said that if they come out with a 30" that matches the look of the PB he will GIVE me his 20" cine, I have a 12" PB, so i really want the 20"

[nagromme]

Here's a thought... that large power brick may be more than a power supply.

There could still be a single cable going from the display to the brick--less clutter where you work--and then the brick could have DVI, wall outlet, USB, and Firewire cables.

Looked at another way that's 5 total... but it still sounds good to me. Especially with the 2 hub cables being optional, and the fact that the brick can sit out of sight. Apple could even include a multi-cable to go from the brick to the Mac (or PC), with only the end(s) forking.

And that's the second way they could have one cable: the forking end(s) trick would work even if the brick IS only for power.

BTW, if those drawings are based on photos (which I have no reason to believe but who knows), they support this: they only show one cable.

ThinkSecret is really on the line this week :)

[0 and A ai]

And we're supposed to believe ThinkSecret about this rumor and the (laughable) sketches... why?!? Seeing how they blew the G5 prediction I'm not putting any stock in any of this, so neither should you people.

You need to learn how to read. While your at it you should also learn manners.

ThinkSecret prediction says the date could be pushed. ThinkSecret has an extremely good track record on predictions and rumors. People who don't know what they are talkin about should really not be allowed to comment.

[SiliconAddict]

I'm sick of this widescreen fad. Not everyone wants a big monior to watch DVDs on. Some of us need real estate on which to do actual work. And a lame vertical resolution isn't going to do me any good when I'm dealing with large indesign spreads.

Better get use to it since the world is going widescreen. Apple was just smart enough to get there first. As others have stated widescreen, obviously, displays more info horizontally while maintains, roughly, the same vertical size of the screen. I don't know about anyone else but I love the idea of widescreen. I can have my IM window, browser window open in one half of the screen while I do work in the other. A standard nearly square display is really optimal for one window being open unless you are talking about some seriously large display.

Even the PC world is slowly moving widescreen. Look at ANY concept PC's that have been shown lately and they are ALL widescreen. Heck there is rumor that Longhorn's tier one system requirements (e.g. the one to get all the bells and whistles out of LH.) may require widescreen.

Again get use to it.

[0 and A ai]

OK, it could just be me, but doesnt the display in this pic look different from the ones that they have now? Most likely just me, but hey i could be right.
looks like ur everyday cinema display to me.

[Photorun]

OK, it could just be me, but doesnt the display in this pic look different from the ones that they have now? Most likely just me, but hey i could be right.

It's just you, that's a 20" CD just like I have in front of me right now.

[Photorun]

You need to learn how to read. While your at it you should also learn manners.

ThinkSecret prediction says the date could be pushed. ThinkSecret has an extremely good track record on predictions and rumors. People who don't know what they are talkin about should really not be allowed to comment.

YOU need manners son, I've been here much longer than you, and you're talking out of your wahoo noob, go find another forum if you don't like opinions that don't match yours.

ThinkSecret did INDEED say on Monday that the G5s were coming out on Tuesday, they assured us of it, they were wrong, they've been wrong before, they'll be wrong again. Because ThinkSecret, like most rumor sites, plays revisionalist history to save their arse they've of course removed their original article. However, Macrumors, which is my one stop shop for all things Mac and Rumor, still has the post (attached)... I can read, can you?!? Oh, yeah, and notice the post date when it was put up, you seem like you'll have problems with numbers and math so I'll help ya out, it was posted on Monday and tomorrow, from Monday, is Tuesday, it's now Wednesday.

Thanks for playing, next time before you say something obnoxious, think first.

[sethypoo]

Wow.

And to think that I grew up with a gigantic 20" Sony TV. Back then, we thought 20" was huge.....now Apple, a computer maker, is entering the hoem theater market with their 30" display (or may enter the market).

30" is more than large enough for people to want/start to use it as a TV.

[Grimace]

why would the 30" only work on g5's? I hope thats not true, one of my customers has 2 17" PB's with a 20 Cine, he said that if they come out with a 30" that matches the look of the PB he will GIVE me his 20" cine, I have a 12" PB, so i really want the 20"

Well, it probably requires a video card that the Powerbooks can't support. G5s (and maybe even G4 Desktops) can handle crazy-fast video cards.

[zer0army]

I'm sick of this widescreen fad. Not everyone wants a big monior to watch DVDs on. Some of us need real estate on which to do actual work. And a lame vertical resolution isn't going to do me any good when I'm dealing with large indesign spreads.

Widescreen is not a fad.
Every Graphic designer I know as well as myself prefer widescreen displays. Especially when working with InDesign spreads. A 23'' Cinema can display a full spread in InDesign @ 100% with toolbars, thats perfect!

So if apple drops ADC for DVI allowing them to get video cards faster, does this mean they will be DVI+VGA like all the ATI PC cards currently?
If so thats a problem for us who use two digital displays, and don't tell me I can just get a converter for VGA to DVI. I want a pure digital signal.

[narco]

Sign me up.

My 17" LCD and my $300 VGA to ADC adapter are going to go on eBay.

// narco

[codycartoon]

I reeeeeealy hope that this isn't all just BS.

Because it would piss a lot of people off.

Take the whole G5 3ghz thing as an example.

Remember this is a rumor site, don't expect any of it until it's up on apple's website.

But anyway, I would really be seriously thinking about buying a 20inch, that would be so sweet if it's under $1000.

-cody

[johnnyjibbs]

I'm not sure about this. Why can't they provide DVI and ADC ports on it? Wouldn't that satisfy everyone then? Or include the DVI-ADC adaptor in the box?

And the artist's rendition looks suspiciously like the legions and legions of ordinary boring displays that everyone else makes - looks just like the crap that gets included with every flat panel £500 Dell.

Only Apple and Formac had stylish displays IMO. This doesn't add up to me.

[mdriftmeyer]

Benefits:


3rd party video cards will be the same, just different code bases
Home Entertainment Components for Digital Hub Future when HDTV is lit and Analog is dead
Apple Display Market barriers dropped, competes with the entire marketscape for consumer dollars means increased revenues
Ease of connecting to camcorders via firewire/usb2 will challenge other display vendors to make such offerings standard, leading to price drops and volume sale increases-may the best product prevail.


With so much becoming a wireless scenario having the luxury of one moment watching your entertainment via Cable and then the next moment switching the view to the OS makes it a much more attractive solution.

Innovation has to start happening with general appliances, not just games and consumer software applications.

[mrkstu]

No one likes that *shoe* thingy on the bottom- but it seems to me that Apple is making that just one of many mounting options. This thing looks like a slab with controls on the side (and contrary to the diatribes around here, a single cable). With a wall mounter that gave you a little space for routing the cables (if you want to access the extra ports) in the back, it would almost be flush with a wall. The low pixel density is a plus in this case, especially with the 30" version- you could use it from a distance. Apple LCD's (or more correctly their video drivers/firmware) tend to have better than average smoothing algorithms for resolution changes as well- so again this should be one kickin home theatre component/computer monitor. Other mounting options are left to your imagination... :p

I'm getting to the point where I really have consumed the cool aid- Steve has a hot streak going and hasn't placed a foot wrong in a while... I'm betting most of the objections are going to be met and dealt with (assuming that Think Secret is straight shooting on this one). Its nice that the CEO is such a connesuir of digital loveliness... he isn't letting Apple produce things he wouldn't want in his own multimillion dollar home. Though that can be tough on the wallets of the "Rest of Us" who "Think Different"... :D

[Windowlicker]

Sweet... except for the whole DVI business.

I want one.

you mean you want one with a dvi connector?? if so, may I ask why? adc is far more better since it doesn't need a power cable.

wonder how much the 20" will cost if a 30"er comes out.. maybe the price drops to the same as the current 17" model.

hmm a 2x30" Cinema Display & 2x2,5GHz G5 with 8Gb RAM :D that would be pretty much a YUMMY setup! ;D

[mdriftmeyer]

Cost analysis:

Choices have to be made: Reach a high volume market or remain a nitch player within a comfortable business model.

Video Card vendors already eat cost duplicating the manufacturing process by offering a Mac enabled card versus a PC enabled card when all that needs to be offered is a PC enabled card and a device driver that interfaces with that card the way your operating system chooses.

The innovation should be at the OS Level where the GPU is just a dumb device that crunches the numbers.

Having Apple eat the cost of increased manufacturing by offering dual adaptors on the displays means higher costs to the consumer.

I'm not sure about this. Why can't they provide DVI and ADC ports on it? Wouldn't that satisfy everyone then? Or include the DVI-ADC adaptor in the box?

And the artist's rendition looks suspiciously like the legions and legions of ordinary boring displays that everyone else makes - looks just like the crap that gets included with every flat panel £500 Dell.

Only Apple and Formac had stylish displays IMO. This doesn't add up to me.

[capdesign]

take your off topic/slandering comments out of here if you want tha in your sig put it in your sig otherwise go to the political forums

How is "backordered for 45 days" Slandering?

But seriously...if you think that tiny little comment at the end compares to the hugely offensive giant red "sigs" then you need to check yourself.

[boy]

i hope think secret is right, for their sake...

but they sound so sure of themselves.

[Borg3of5]

I will probably go with a closeout 23" HD Cinema then. Apple cannot continue selling them at a premium, especially in light of the "Brilliant Savings" promotion. After WWDC the 23" Cinema's price will be $1499 without having to resort to a rebate. Woo-hoo watching DVD's, both mainstream and adult, will be FABU! :cool:

[SiliconAddict]

Question. Could this thing be used as just a standard high Def TV? I'm looking at replacing my old dilapidated 26" sometime in the next year and the idea of getting a monitor instead sound somewhat appealing esp if I could also occasionally hook up a computer and have it look as crisp as any dinky 17" monitor.

My knowledge of home entertainment interconnections is somewhat limited. Has DVI made it past the computer into the home entertainment center? :confused:

The reason I'm bringing this up is if I'm going to go in and plunk money down on a G5 laptop whenever they come out with one I'd be interested in just doing the same for such a beast of a display.

[virividox]

i want a 30 but i also need to eat!!! i wonder what the new design will be

[daveg5]

[/CENTER] Didnt Apple have to go to a DVI over ADC because ADC is limited to 1920X1200 max. plus power plus USB, even VGA is Higher then ADC.
I am thinking a ATI FireGL will be required for Mac and PC to use the card. I am Hoping there is an 8XAGP version so older Powermac G5's ANd High end PC's can use it.
Remember PCI e is just about to be released meaning 99.9999% of high end users dont have it yet.
Many of these users want the 30 inch. but not if it means buying a whole new computer after less than 1 year, plus a $400 Graphic card, plus the 30".
JMHO :)

[aafuss1]

Dropping ADC will mean that, just like Airport/iPod/iTunes Windows users (or users who have a DVI connextor,but not ADC on a laptop) will be able to use Apple displays natively, without needing a $99 adaptor and also the design of the stand will be in line with most LCD displays-also, it will be quicker for newer graphics cards for Macs to be adopted-for example Mac versions of the X800 or GeForce 6800.

[johnnowak]

ADC doesn't have enough juice to power the 30" (which uses 150W). That's why it was dropped... or at least one of the reasons.

[Luc@]

http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/newdisplaysbacklarge.gif

What's the port under the main cable? :D Maybe it's a USB2+FW cable developed by Apple! :cool:

[nacl99]

Could be a place to lock it down... looks kinda like one of those ports.

[boy]

i heard its a bad idea to have buttons on the side like that.

(my NEC is like that) And in a review for it, the only downfall of the design was its buttons on the side. I thought Apple would be more practical and more functional than that..

(the above is assuming the drawing is a real display).

[JW Pepper]

Where does this leave owners of existing displays? Does this mean they cannot update their systems.

Overall it seems to me to be a good idea as it should mean a greater choice of video cards, not lets hope that they will no longer need custom firmwqre then we will really be making some progress.

[dontmatter]

Apple can't make its design decisions for cinema displays based on a portion of the designer market because:
1) it's a small market
2) some designers do want widescreen displays

Portait page layout is one of the few things where it may be a necessity to have a particular type of display. But, hey, if you're a specialist, get a specialty display. But widescreen is better for virtually everything....and everyone...else.

I want to point out, for irony's sake here... it was MICROSOFT, in their latest office bundle, that redesigned mail viewing to fit naturally on a widescreen....

hope apple isn't too cool to copy cat-it would be very cool to read my mail from the top of my screen to the bottom, and still have it in all the organziational context of my mail.

'course, haven't used anything but mail.app, but have read the nytimes...so excuse me if I'm mistaken.

[dontmatter]

Two firewire ports: 400, 800, or one of each? Same question to USB 2.0

[caveman_uk]

May I commit an act of heresy here and ask if Apple's dropping ADC and going with DVI only - what's the point of buying an Apple monitor? I don't want a huge ass 30" monitor. It won't fit on my desk for a start. I just want a good quality reasonable sized monitor. ADC was one of the reasons I went with an Apple monitor as it was neater and more convenient. It Apple's monitors are now all DVI why should I buy one of those when there are other TFT monitors for less money that are just as good if not better?

[sunmade]

good point!

if I own a 20" Cinema and want to upgrade to a G5 DVI-only, will I bill able to still use my 20" ADC ?

Does one lose a lot of quality when using a ADC to DVI adaptor??

[displaced]

Two firewire ports: 400, 800, or one of each? Same question to USB 2.0

Don't know about the Firewire, but I'd imagine all USB ports would be 2.0. USB2.0 ports are backward-compatible with v1.x devices - there's no need for special '1.x'-only ports.

Incidentally, FW800 is also backward-compatible, but you need the correct cable for the new-style port.

[yamabushi]

For those of us who welcome DVI this would be fantastic. :D For those people who are still attached to ADC perhaps not so great. However there will still be plenty of new and used ADC displays and graphics cards available for sale at bargain prices for some time. Even for those people who don't care for the new design for one reason or another this is still good news because they will have better access to third party displays, graphics cards, and other devices via DVI.

[mikefl420]

The ADC, despite it's limitations, is a brilliant feature. I agree with the decision to move to DVI for the time being- allowing Apple to increase sales outside the Mac community and gain equity in graphics cards releases. However, I strongly believe we will see the ressurrection of some form of and ADC-type connector (be it from Apple or the Wintel world once they can subvert any patents successfully) in the future. Apple came up with the idea, and since we mac users make up such a small slice of the computer user pie chart it was never accepted as any sort of standard- creating no substanstial additional profit for Nvidia and ATI. Once the Wintel world rediscovers the ease of one-plug minitors, they will create the WinDC and DVI will be todays VGA.

[yamabushi]

if I own a 20" Cinema and want to upgrade to a G5 DVI-only, will I bill able to still use my 20" ADC ?

Yes, probably. You could use an adapter if the graphics card in the new Mac has DVI but lacks ADC. Such an adapter must be able to also supply power however. You might also be able to use your current graphics card instead of the new one if the new Mac has AGP. The solutions to such issues will become more clear after both rumored products are released.

Does one lose a lot of quality when using a ADC to DVI adaptor?? No. There is no loss of quality.

[ts1973]

Overall a good rumor I think.

But those who believe that the 30" will ship for the same price as the current 23" are dreaming I'm afraid... Hell, even a 30" LG costs over $3000. I think the 20/23" will not change much in price...

[Analog Kid]

Don't know if I like that you can have all the style and beauty of apple on the desk but have the PC underneath...

then again, in 30 inches there is no hiding the uglyness of windows!

Actually, if the Longhorn pictures I've seen are anything to judge by, they'll need the 30" so they can display anything more than the big buttons and huge clock...

[smurfjammer]

Maybe the power cable will plug into the back of the NEW G5 :) and run of the internal power supply as old CRT displays do... (gets rid of the power cube)

[johnnyjibbs]

Steve Jobbs is as stubborn as they come. I can't see him letting go of the ADC connection. Maybe they will come with both (ideally) or come in two different versions: ADC and DVI.

[JoeG4]

Some people are idiots. That aside:

The ADC interface *IS* based on DVI-I entirely. The limitations of ADC ALSO apply to DVI. A display larger than ~1920x1400? needs multiple DVI plugs, as shown by IBM, viewsonic, and a few other companies that make super high res LCDs.

Another note would be that if anything the monitor will still have one cable coming out the back and at the end of it a box with the power adaptor, DVI plug, etc. IMHO those mockup designs SUCK.

[Analog Kid]

I'd take DVI as a net positive. I hate cables, but I hate proprietary interfaces more...

[punkmac]

So with built in firewire, does that mean there is a firewire cable to connect the monitor to the computer and to make a firewire hub. I don't know, this really doesn't make much sense, DVI doesn't carry power, so you need to plug it in to power also. If this is the case, then I am very happy with my ADC 23" cinema, one cable is very clean, and I get a USB hub in the monitor, I have more USB than firewire appliances.

Really, this doesn't appeal to me, I am cofortable with the 23" plus my cpd 540, and I really don't care if it matches the G5. Now, if the pixel response and brightness were different, that would be a different story. I am holding judgment untill they are released, thinksecret has lost my trust since their "comfirmed june 8th G5 updates".

Umm....Digital Cable boxes! Hdtv. Camcorders. DVD players. You name it. Wireless video!

I.

[oingoboingo]

Why wouldn't these panels carry both ADC and DVI connectors? A lot of LCD panels have both VGA and DVI connectors, so you can use an analog or a fully digital signal, depending on your video card. Why would Apple totally abandon one of their display interface technologies (and a very good one at that) which has definite advantages, rather than just adding another connector?

I'm also not sure of the G5 requirement for the 30" screen. If it's a video memory requirement to drive a display resolution that large, why not state the requirement as something like '128MB video RAM' or something? What could a G5 PowerMac possibly have in terms of display hardware than a G4 or other system (or PC for that matter) not have?

A lot of this rumour really doesn't make sense. I'm sure there will be new, and quite possibly larger displays from Apple sometime soon, but like this?

[BrianKonarsMac]

dude that power adapter will be ENORMOUS! if anyone has the ADC to DVI adapter, they will know what i'm talking about. has anyone else noticed that the combined power draw from a G5 with one of these monitors will be close to 1kw! THATS INSANE! I'm sad to see ADC go, it was one of those brilliant technologies from apple that should've gone industry-standard but was ignored. My apartment is so cluttered with power bricks, power strips, and extension cords it's ridiculous, one more can't hurt, but i really would like to be REMOVING power cords not adding them. Two thumbs up on the firewire ports, here's hoping they are 800s and usb 2.0!!

that "artist" rendering looks like it was beat with the ugly stick. i do like the power buttons on the side, with that "touchable" look, although the heat sensitive glowing LEDs in the current monitors are sweet.

[NickFalk]

Hello folks, my very first mail in these forums. Don't know how active I'll be but time will tell.

Anyway, have anyone of you considered the possibility that Apple might actually use the power-supply as a combined USB/Firewire/Graphiccard-hub that sends all the signals through to the screen? This should help us all avoid [most of] the clutter while keeping the compatibility with PC DVI-cards... Just a thought.

[Bendit]

I was also going to mention that I am sure Apple will think of a way to make the cables simple. Maybe they will combine the DVI, Firewire/USB, and Power Cable into one cable that splits into many ends.

[NickFalk]

Yeah, and didn't the article mention that the power-supply was rather large as well? Anyway, the Apple store here (Norway) is down at the moment!

[Luc@]

European AppleStore are offline.

[ewinemiller]

Being the one guy who has a mac at the day job, I get a lot of questions on the Apple displays and iPods. The question they always ask about the displays is "can I hook it up to a PC". My answer is "yes, but...", and as I start to explain that you have to buy this $100 adapter, their eyes glaze over and they wander off and buy the Sony.

I think ADC was the last of the proprietary Apple connectors, good riddance.

[jkeithh]

One word: ugly.

I like the cut in half G5 Photoshop job that was circulating a couple of months ago.

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Hey, did i say it's ugly? :p

Good, I thought it was only that thought the artist's rendering was ugly. I agree I would much prefer something that looked like the pic saw a while back.

[tcmcam]

The rendering is consistent with this theory:

1. ONE large cable going into the back of the monitor (like others have said). At the other end (behind the PowerMac) is a breakout box with DVI, USB, FW, and Power). So there is NO cable clutter on your desktop.

2. The FireWire connectors on the back of the monitor are a brilliant addition. iSight uses FW400 and that stops cable clutter. Your iPod uses FW400 as well. This all makes sense given Apple's complete product line.

Going to DVI will cut down on Apple's need to get proprietary graphics cards which only ups their cost and makes it more difficult to compete with the PC world. Good move Apple!

[Luc@]

PowerMac
|__>DVI_____> Brick ____BIGCABLE___> Monitor
|__>USB_____|
|__>FW400___|

It would be perfect! :cool: :D

[HasanDaddy]

American Store is offline

(please lower the PB prices)

[Maxicek]

UK is off-line too - updates here we come!!

[obiwan]

I'm also not sure of the G5 requirement for the 30" screen. If it's a video memory requirement to drive a display resolution that large, why not state the requirement as something like '128MB video RAM' or something? What could a G5 PowerMac possibly have in terms of display hardware than a G4 or other system (or PC for that matter) not have?

I agree - this seems a bit weird. If the 30" display needs a high-end graphics card like the 256Mb Radeon 9800 which is G5 only - the reason given for the 'G5 requirement' is the added power available on the G5's AGP slot to allow for the ADC interface. So the new 256Mb Radeon comes with ADC, then Apple decide to abandon it. Major cock-up if you ask me.

[NickFalk]

Seems the new G5's are coming... Liquid cooling Dual 2.5 max, all dual-machines...

[PTTP]

yep, www.macnews.de has a picture someone grabbed from the german store:

http://www.macnews.de/media/applestore_de.gif

Text says: Aimed at creativity - The new PowerMac G5 - Standard with two PowerPC G5 processors with up to 2,5 GHz, new liquid cooling system and 8x SuperDrive. - Prices start at € 2159 incl. VAT

[OziMac]

yep, www.macnews.de has a picture someone grabbed from the german store:

http://www.macnews.de/media/applestore_de.gif

Text says: Aimed at creativity - The new PowerMac G5 - Standard with two PowerPC G5 processors with up to 2,5 GHz, new liquid cooling system and 8x SuperDrive. - Prices start at € 2159 incl. VAT

[Edit] Sorry - I need to learn to stop and read before getting too excited - thanks, you are a star :)

[BornAgainMac]

Um, I was just joking around buddy - see the ;) at the end of my post? I appreciate the somewhat "serious" reply to my clowning around though... :cool:

Wireless power was a dead giveaway. Your too funny.

[Bendit]

Anything else would have a tough time handling the load.

Most graphics cards would have trouble doing just about anything on that high of a resolution. Thats why they would require faster cpus and gpus

Yes, expose on a 30" monitor would require a high memory and fast GPU. There's no reason why any modern computer (mac or pc) couldn't handle displaying at that resolution and even have 3d acceleration at that resolution, but I guess Apple wants to ensure that the UI 3d effects perform well. BUT STILL... all the new Macs should be able to handle it.

[Angelo]

Apple Store is down... :D

[madrobby]

Look at this: http://www.valcenter.ch/

Translation: APPLE PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5 GHz (512/160 Go/DVD-R+CD-RW/56K) Two processors PowerPC G5 to 2.5 GHz - 2x 512 KB of L2 mask to 2.5 GHz - Bus processor in 1.25 GHz (by processor) - 512 Mo of RAM (GDR 400 MHz/PC3200) - hard Disk of 160 Go Serial ATA (7200 rpm.) - graphics Board ATI Radeon 9600XT with 128 Mo of DDR-SDRAM - DVD-R 8x8x + CD-RW 16x10x32x - 1 site 5.25" (already occupied by the reader SuperDrive d'origine) - 2 sites 3.5" (1 already occupied by hard disk d'origine) - 1 port PCI-X 64-bit (133 MHz) - 2 port PCI-X 64-bit (100 MHz) - 1 port AGP 8x Pro (occupied by the graphics board) - 1 port FireWire 800 Mbps - 2 ports FireWire 400 Mbps - Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T - 3 ports USB 2.0 (1 on the front face and 2 on l'arrière) + 2 ports USB 1.1 (on the keyboard) - Exit ADC + DVI + VGA (via adapter) - Fax/Modem 56K V.92 - Option possible AirPort Extreme 54 Mbps - possible Bluetooth Option - Loudspeaker integrated - Sortie/entrée its optics - Sortie/entrée its analogical - Exit its on the front face (mini-jack) - Mouse and APPLE keyboard.

[CoreForce]

Dual G5 only, up to 2.5 GHz

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/swissdestore/

[SiliconAddict]

Thanks for playing, next time before you say something obnoxious, think first.


www.apple.com


HA-HA!

They were one day off. Boo hoo.

[PRØBE]

And the artist's rendition looks suspiciously like the legions and legions of ordinary boring displays that everyone else makes - looks just like the crap that gets included with every flat panel £500 Dell.

Only Apple and Formac had stylish displays IMO. This doesn't add up to me.





I couldn't agree more. This "artist's" rendition looks distinctly "un-Jonathon Ivesish".
Apple would never produce such a generic looking piece of hardware. They never have done so why would they start now?
The move to DVI is a plus, and I expect Apple will have come up with an elegant way to sort out ther cable-clutter problem.
I loved the mock-up G5 style monitor they came up with in the British magazine Mac-Format (June issue page 114).
If the screens looks as bad as the Think Secret illustration then I place my hopes in a more esthetic G5imac design

[michael666]

One more cord is too bad...

It is three more cords: power supply + USB + Firewire.

[~Shard~]

Wireless power was a dead giveaway. Your too funny.

What can I say, it's what I do... ;) :cool:

[displaced]

It is three more cords: power supply + USB + Firewire.

No. It may be three more cords.

... assuming Apple doesn't do something clever. Considering Apple was clever enough to come up with ADC in the first place, I'd be surprised if they didn't achieve similar results whilst ditching the proprietary ADC connector.

People have already speculated how this could be done. Using one extra 'combo' cable to connect to the screen, with firewire and USB connectors breaking out at the other end is a possibility. Heck, it could even be possible to bundle power into that as well.

This might have a couple of advantages. I don't own a current ADC-capable display, but I'd imagine that for those who need it, getting a proprietary ADC extension cable for positioning the screen far from the Mac could well be difficult and/or expensive. At any rate, Apple would be the only supplier. With Bluetooth keyboards and mice, it's not beyond belief that people might want more freedom in relocating the screen. With a 'combo' cable as described above, users are free to extend whichever connectors they use as far as they need using standard off-the-shelf USB or Firewire extension cables.

Secondly, dropping ADC could lead to a quicker supply of leading-edge Mac-compatible graphics cards from the major vendors. A whole new variant of the card with an ADC connector as well as DVI would no longer be needed.

Overall, I'd suggest waiting to see what Apple come up with before furrowing our brows :)

[TednDi]

would the firewireless standard have enough bandwith to pump HD signal to the rumored screens? If so, then all you would need is the power cord the monitor would then provide the firewire ports and usb ports.

T

[awesomebase]

You've got to be kidding. Wide is best for two page designs like magazines. Even if for some odd reason you only design portrait posters you can still move all of your palettes to the side and get more screen real estate.

Absolutely correct, I couldn't agree more! I just don't buy the argument of long-time Mac users that say they do not like widescreen displays because it limits their ability to do work. Give me a break! Go back to your old VGA displays if it is so bad! We're talking a 10% difference (if that) in vertical resolution and about as much additionally in horizontal resolution. Besides, if you're going to scroll... who wants to scroll left to right? That is the point of widescreen displays, it allows you to scroll up and down more than left to right and it provides a much more pleasing aspect ratio than the standard display. Your eyes certainly see much more out the sides than they do top and bottom, so why shouldn't your screen reflect this? I've been amazed that PC makers haven't followed this trend as quickly. But all you need to do is look at the PBs and see the beauty of that design in portability... nothing like having a widescreen display. Now if they can drop the prices, then more of us can actually enjoy them!

[BJNY]

What video card will be able to drive the 30" at 2560 x 1600?

[sketchy]

So with built in firewire, does that mean there is a firewire cable to connect the monitor to the computer and to make a firewire hub. I don't know, this really doesn't make much sense, DVI doesn't carry power, so you need to plug it in to power also.

Don't know if anyone has covered this. -- how much power can the firewire 800 cable carry? Could that replace the power cable and brick? Could the restriction be attached the the adoption of firewire 800 cables?

[ClimbingTheLog]

I agree. No ADC requirement means ATI / nVidia 3rd party contractors can build cards for Apple faster. Doesn't necessarily mean they will...

Expect to see ATI and nVidia badged employees sitting at desks in Cupertino. Apple can pay their salaries and when the hardware comes off the factory line they can have the Mac firmware ready to flash in.

This would cost Apple somewhere around a million dollars a year. For that they get to have the hottest video cards in their machines.

Somebody else mentioned that Apple was actually manufacturing the cards for ATI & nVidia, putting their chips on Apple cards with ADC? Is this true? If it is, they also get to close down that factory, saving a bundle of money.

[ClimbingTheLog]

Someone want to explain to me how FireWire ports are going to work? With ADC, the USB cabling was within the ADC cable. With that gone, where is the FireWire cable coming from?? DVI Certainly can't handle that. This MUST be a FireWire HUB right?

And does the FireWire hub have any connection to the display circuitry...hmmm...

[ClimbingTheLog]

Didnt Apple have to go to a DVI over ADC because ADC is limited to 1920X1200 max. plus power plus USB, even VGA is Higher then ADC.

Hmm, I remember the talk back when ADC came out was that ADC could handle higher resolutions than DVI.

Could Apple be focused on HDTV convergence, counting on a 1920x1200 max as being the top end for Macs for a while?

Other DVI vendors are using multiple DVI connectors for high-res screens. I'd sure like to see 200dpi screens before long.

It seems more likely that somebody has figured out an improved signalling method that allows higher resolutions to be carried on DVI.

[ClimbingTheLog]

Oh, and you forgot that anyone with an existing ADC monitor has to buy a ADC to DVI adapter if they want to upgrade their video cards because the new video cards don't have the then obsoleted ADC connector.

Sounds great to me :rolleyes:

ADC is a buggy whip. Apple's doing the right thing for their future customers. They ought to make the ADC DVI adapters available for cost to do the right thing for their past customers.

I never bought an ADC display because I knew it was non-standard and when you buy non-standard technology you have to expect to get stranded. Sure, some consumers were uneducated, but that's life.

[ClimbingTheLog]

ThinkSecret did INDEED say on Monday that the G5s were coming out on Tuesday, they assured us of it, they were wrong, they've been wrong before, they'll be wrong again.

Of all the things to call ThinkSecret to the mat on, being off by 1 day on a product introduction seems awfully picayune.

[dstorey]

If these monitors come out with DVI and get marketed as Mac + PC, can anyone imagine them doing a deal similar to the iPod, where HP would help distribute them, possibly by re-branding them, maybe even in HP blue. Thr protential problem I see in selling these to PC users is people often buy monitors with the system they buy at the same time or the one they already have. Apples distribution doesn't feature in these places except CompUSa and maybe a few other places. With the iPod, it is more a device people will ask for for christmas or seek out to buy because it is cool etc...A regular monitor is not really like that, no matter how stylish, and it's in a whole different price bracket. If HP distributed them as an option with their computers then a big market opens up and many more retail partners to get them in places where people will be looking to buy their computer and screen. Plus a HP branded one would match the computer and hPod better. Do HP actually already make screens or do they just rebrand them?

Would be nice if they had a iPod dock built into them, but I gues the two firewire ports can be used for a iSight and to charge/sync the iPod. If this was wall hangable with the iSight on the top it could be a pretty wild video conferincing/computer/home cinema set up...provinding there was a hdtv tuner available. Some tie in with airport express would be nice. Maybe like being able to use it to control iTunes on the hi-fi and download music to a iPod without a computer attached, just a thin client in some sort of tivo come hdtv box that attaches to the screen.

[Soire]

Any word or ideas as to when these suckas might be released?

I guess WWDC is the perfect time because Steve can just say "here they are" and not need to waste much time explaining them, cause well, they're monitors.

[wdlove]

It would make sense for Steve to release new displays at WWDC. The $500 rebate along with a G5 purchase ends just prior to the event.

[daveg5]

I dont know where i read it but it said adc was limited to 1920X1200 while VGA and DVI could go higher, it makes sense as ADC is doing more things. also there are cards on the PC side that run the 24" sony monitor at a resolutions similar to the new Apple 30" and IBM's LCD DVI monitors even higher.
does anyone have that tehnical info.
I am guessing all Powermac G5 with the FireGL card installed will run the 30", including PC's. also expectfantastic drivers for motion final cut and Apple Pro Apps.
QUOTE=ClimbingTheLog]Hmm, I remember the talk back when ADC came out was that ADC could handle higher resolutions than DVI. http://forums.macrumors.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=877948#

Could Apple be focused on HDTV convergence, counting on a 1920x1200 max as being the top end for Macs for a while?

Other DVI vendors are using multiple DVI connectors for high-res screens. I'd sure like to see 200dpi screens before long.

It seems more likely that somebody has figured out an improved signalling method that allows higher resolutions to be carried on DVI.[/QUOTE] :)

[cr2sh]

Any word or ideas as to when these suckas might be released?

Two days after I break down and buy that 23" sony.... :p

Seriously though, ThinkSecret had it right.. there is no reason not to trust in there other information as well. I wish they just had a date... all bets are off. All signs point to after the brilliant savings promo ends.

[sinclairZX81]

doesn't the stand look a bit flimsy for a 30" screen ? Looks like the screen would tip over when you plug/unplug any devices...

I'd expect something a bit more sturdy, along the lines of Samsung's big LCD screens (more elegant, of course ;) )

not really. http://www.eyegonomic.com/page.dsp?page=106
I'm so excited about these new displays ('cause the eyegonomic ones are too pricey)

[Xenious]

To those that don't like this potential design, is it the shape that is unappealing or the whole design?

Note that it could look totally different when it has its actual color and materials on it. I bet the current displays would not look as attractive if you made them into single colored "Artists renderings."

--

I'm with everyone in wanting to figure out whats up with the G5 only requirement on the 30. Doesn't make much sense unless there is some reason why a certain graphics card wouldn't fit in other systems. (bus speed needed, etc)

I'm remaining hopeful for a $2500 or less price point on the 30", but thats just my wallet hoping. :)

I'm about to switch and I figure if I am going to switch I should switch in style with a 2.5 G5 and a 30" monitor. I'd hate to have to buy less CPU to afford that 30" monitor. ;)

Now time to dig into geometry and estimate the size :)
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Update...did some rough calculations and my math could suck, but I'm guessing the display part (without the stand) is about 27.1" wide and 17.5" high (if it has a 1" border around the display).

[e-coli]

So....what's up with the displays?

:confused:

[multifinder]

If these monitors come out with DVI and get marketed as Mac + PC, can anyone imagine them doing a deal similar to the iPod, where HP would help distribute them, possibly by re-branding them, maybe even in HP blue. Thr protential problem I see in selling these to PC users is people often buy monitors with the system they buy at the same time or the one they already have.

I bet if they market them Mac+PC (which seems to be Apple's trend lately) they'll sell a lot to PC owners, but I don't see a need for them to partner with HP like they did for the iPod. With the Mac a shrinking niche market, even without the power supply issue it makes a lot of sense for Apple to ditch ADC and make something PC users can put on their desk too (yeah, I know you can ADC-to-DVI but then you can't change brightness, and most PC users would be turned off by that and the extra $100 cable). It just makes Apple even less Mac-dependent--if the Mac line fades further, they can make it up in high-end flat panel sales and iPods. Good for shareholders, I guess, but I'd still rather see Apple focus on producing a Mac without an integrated monitor for less than $1999...I won't be replacing my PowerMac G4 anytime soon at those prices...

[daveg5]

Maybe they will lower the price of the dual G4 1.25 to $999 and a dual boot dual G4 1.5-$1299 or so, those are pure profit already, A lot of switchers, poor school districts are dying for an upgradeable Mac tower under a $1000 to switch too, where they can use there current Monitor and software if older macs are still in use, that is at least as expandable as their PC. for schools, colleges, musicians, photographers on a budget , Give it Appleworks, Quicken A few more Games, Apple couldn't keep them in stock, would probably take a few sales from the emac and increase Market-share, but would not encroach on 64bit imacs and G5's. I say do it, slow buss be Darned!

[cr2sh]

Maybe they will lower the price of the dual G4 1.25 to $999 and a dual boot dual G4 1.5-$1299 or so

I'm assuming you're rounding up... :)

I'd love to see that happen.

[Dont Hurt Me]

I bet if they market them Mac+PC (which seems to be Apple's trend lately) they'll sell a lot to PC owners, but I don't see a need for them to partner with HP like they did for the iPod. With the Mac a shrinking niche market, even without the power supply issue it makes a lot of sense for Apple to ditch ADC and make something PC users can put on their desk too (yeah, I know you can ADC-to-DVI but then you can't change brightness, and most PC users would be turned off by that and the extra $100 cable). It just makes Apple even less Mac-dependent--if the Mac line fades further, they can make it up in high-end flat panel sales and iPods. Good for shareholders, I guess, but I'd still rather see Apple focus on producing a Mac without an integrated monitor for less than $1999...I won't be replacing my PowerMac G4 anytime soon at those prices...Very Sweet Post and....logical. I think we will see more of this. if they were smart they would ship a handicap version of OSX to PC.

[multifinder]

Maybe they will lower the price of the dual G4 1.25 to $999 and a dual boot dual G4 1.5-$1299 or so, those are pure profit already, A lot of switchers, poor school districts are dying for an upgradeable Mac tower under a $1000 to switch too, where they can use there current Monitor and software if older macs are still in use, that is at least as expandable as their PC. for schools, colleges, musicians, photographers on a budget , Give it Appleworks, Quicken A few more Games, Apple couldn't keep them in stock, would probably take a few sales from the emac and increase Market-share, but would not encroach on 64bit imacs and G5's. I say do it, slow buss be Darned!

Unfortunately, I saw on MacCentral they're discontinuing the PowerMac G4--but I think you're right, it would be smart to have a good tower or headless Mac at that price though.

I hope what Apple's doing is making the PowerMac clearly high-end with the higher price and dual processors across the board (no comment on the video cards...) so that they can then introduce a new, headless mid-range iMac. I think the integrated-monitor model in the original iMac was great for first-time and low-end computer buyers, but switchers and people looking to upgrade older Mac towers want a "headless" Mac like the Cube was, only at a resonable price. Otherwise your investment in a monitor, especially people with flat screens that cost $500+, is shot if you switch.

If Apple replaced the iMac with a single-processor 1.6GHz G5, either a Cube or minitower with cool styling, priced at $999 I think they'd sell like crazy. If the G5 heatsink is too big for a Cube, they could put it in a minitower with a case that changes colors, I can just see the TV commericals where some Gen X guy gets dumped and his iMac goes from red to blue. And with all the PowerMacs dual CPU now, a single CPU Cube/new iMac wouldn't cannibalize PowerMac sales as much.

[thedogcow]

The retail ATI 9800 cards don't support the claimed resolution of the rumored 30 inch displays.

Take a look.

[Frixo Cool]

Maybe we are missing something BIG. Think Secret said there is a lot of talk about quad machines. Their rumors so far was very precise - at least in this 18./2.0./2.5 G5 scenario.

Maybe Steve would present an whole new series of Macintosh? High-end workstation line for video/music/biogenetics professionals?

Arguments:

1) Motion, Shake, FCP HD and DVD SP are huge software packages for audience that don't have problem with budget. Also, those kind of software really needs power. Apple was very agressive with taking the part of that market in recent time.

2) Recent Apple efforts with super-computing clusters showed that THERE IS market for high-power machines.

3) Jobs didn't make anything "Woooow!" this year. He'll lose his carisma if he doesn't do something.

4) 30" display needs a card in X800 class. 30" display needs other than ADC solution. Not a one product in Apple line support that now - so that "Xstation" could be just that - and a perfect match for 30" display.

P.S.
Sorry for my bad English.

[Travis Novak]

The retail ATI 9800 cards don't support the claimed resolution of the rumored 30 inch displays.

Take a look.

An ajustment in frame rates might make higher resolutions avalible. I would be amazed if the 30" supported a full 60hz at full reolution.

[the future]

That's exactly what I would like to see at WWDC. A highly customizable, kick-ass Xstation for the big boys and a single G5 mini-tower for the rest of us: one HD, one optical drive, one PCI slot (or zero), plastic enclosure (but in style, of course), cheap but upgradeable GPU, for 999$. And I hope ThinkSecret is wrong and there will still be a low-end 17" when the new displays arrive, for 599$ maybe.

[aswitcher]

Maybe we are missing something BIG. Think Secret said there is a lot of talk about quad machines. Their rumors so far was very precise - at least in this 18./2.0./2.5 G5 scenario.



Interesting. That would be something to get excited about...

[TednDi]

If the second set of processors could be added later as needed!!

[Travis Novak]

Can any program utilize quad prossecors? I think the small benifit gained wouldn't be enough to justify a huge price jump, but if code is written to take complete advantage of quads, then we'll be smoking :)

[Travis Novak]

I have been waiting for this moment ever since ADC came out. Goodbye old buddy, I won't miss you a bit. And yes, I do have an ADC display (Formac) and I do love the all-in-one connector, but DVI rules. I was shocked when Apple, one of the pioneers of the revolutionary DVI connection, would try to create a new connector, just as DVI was becomeing standard. ADC was a limited connector from it's birth. It didn't allow for higher power LCD's, it didn't allow for a new serial standard(USB 2.0), and it was not practical for home theater use, where there is no need for a USB connection to your DVD player and no collection of tiny pins will power a 60" plasma display. I realize there are people who love ADC, but for god sake can't you just connect two more wires to save me $100 on a stinking conversion box! If this rumor is true, I will buy a display. Not because I need it (already have a nice LCD) but to show my graditude to the wonderful ADC killing gods at Apple. Thank you sooooooo much Steve!



ADC sucks
DVI rules
(sorry ADC fans)

[JGowan]

... maybe Apple got their act together and learned how to make stunning beautiful display, without sacrificing some ones wallet.Would any monitor be a "stunning beautiful display" if EVERYONE could afford it and EVERYONE had one? What you're talking about is a 19" CRT, which USED TO BE the "Mercedes-Benz" of the monitor world... what only the "rich" could afford.

There will always be very expensive and "stunningly beautiful displays" that are very large and only very few can get them. That's just the way of the world.

[~Shard~]

Maybe the "new display" rumors and the "new iMac" rumors are one in the same - perhaps, continuing with its "all-in-one" design, the new G5 iMac with simply be a new display and that's it! Make the display a few inches thicker, stick the equivalent of an iPod hard drive behind the LCD, a slot-loading SuperDrive in the side of the display, as well as your RAM and all your other components! ;) :cool:

[~Shard~]

Would any monitor be a "stunning beautiful display" if EVERYONE could afford it and EVERYONE had one? What you're talking about is a 19" CRT, which USED TO BE the "Mercedes-Benz" of the monitor world... what only the "rich" could afford.

There will always be very expensive and "stunningly beautiful displays" that are very large and only very few can get them. That's just the way of the world.

Precisely - I remember when a 17" CRT was a luxury, and moving from my 14" CRT to my 15" CRT was a big deal. Of course back then my Pentium 200 MHz with a 4 GB hard drive was a pretty impressive machine - especially since I pimped it out to 32 MB RAM.... ;) :cool:

[jiggie2g]

While the idea of a Single cable setup for a Monitor was a great Idea from Apple it was years too late and DVI was/is the Standard atleast until HDMI replaces that over 2005-2006.

Apple can now make a ton of money selling these new Monitors as they will be gorgeously designed , with unparalled clarity, I can't get enough of my Flat-Panel iMac screen.

That said I can now see Apple getting High-end Video cards with much regularity as they should be no differen't now since they no longer need to be modified into ADC/DVI. you can just buy any video card from a PC store and download a driver from Nvidia or ATI.

[Travis Novak]

I have been waiting for this moment ever since ADC came out. Goodbye old buddy, I won't miss you a bit. And yes, I do have an ADC display (Formac) and I do love the all-in-one connector, but DVI rules. I was shocked when Apple, one of the pioneers of the revolutionary DVI connection, would try to create a new connector, just as DVI was becomeing standard. ADC was a limited connector from it's birth. It didn't allow for higher power LCD's, it didn't allow for a new serial standard(USB 2.0), and it was not practical for home theater use, where there is no need for a USB connection to your DVD player and no collection of tiny pins will power a 60" plasma display. I realize there are people who love ADC, but for god sake can't you just connect two more wires to save me $100 on a stinking conversion box! If this rumor is true, I will buy a display. Not because I need it (already have a nice LCD) but to show my graditude to the wonderful ADC killing gods at Apple. Thank you sooooooo much Steve!



ADC sucks
DVI rules
(sorry ADC fans)

[heisetax]

I have been waiting for this moment ever since ADC came out. Goodbye old buddy, I won't miss you a bit. And yes, I do have an ADC display (Formac) and I do love the all-in-one connector, but DVI rules. I was shocked when Apple, one of the pioneers of the revolutionary DVI connection, would try to create a new connector, just as DVI was becomeing standard. ADC was a limited connector from it's birth. It didn't allow for higher power LCD's, it didn't allow for a new serial standard(USB 2.0), and it was not practical for home theater use, where there is no need for a USB connection to your DVD player and no collection of tiny pins will power a 60" plasma display. I realize there are people who love ADC, but for god sake can't you just connect two more wires to save me $100 on a stinking conversion box! If this rumor is true, I will buy a display. Not because I need it (already have a nice LCD) but to show my graditude to the wonderful ADC killing gods at Apple. Thank you sooooooo much Steve!



ADC sucks
DVI rules
(sorry ADC fans)

I also use a FOrmac display that uses a single cable at the monitor end & a break out (connection box) box at the other end. It has the advantage of no adapter connection to my dvi PowerBook or other dvi Mac or PC. If Formac can do ita few years ago, my monitor is about 2 years old now, then Apple should be able to do at least this good if they do choose to change from ADC to DVI. The only difference with the ADC & the DVI FOrmac displays is at the computer end of the cable.

Bill the TaxMan

[yoman]

I'm not sure of this has been posted already but Apple Legal has apparently asked Thinksecret to eliminate their artist renditions. If this is so, then we should expect these things pretty soon.(Maybe tomorrow) :)

[PowerMacMan]

I'm not sure of this has been posted already but Apple Legal has apparently asked Thinksecret to eliminate their artist renditions. If this is so, then we should expect these things pretty soon.(Maybe tomorrow) :)

Because that's the same thing they did to the PowerMacs! Good thinking... ;)

I want a new LCD display, not my honkin' 19'' CRT

[TednDi]

If they release most of their anticipated hardware in advance of it. Tiger must be something interesting.

perhaps the rumors of QT7 and Java Tiger coming together may be fruitful.

Or the intellegent agent concept

Or xserve integration...

speculation is fun!!

having no clue isn't!

:)

[CTerry]

I have to say I love ADC, so easy and efficient. Im a consumer, I dont care about massive 30 inch monitors (wth would I do with one 2 foot from the damn thing, Id get a crick in me neck trying to use the Apple Menu)

Personally I hope Apple allows for a smooth transition by allowing ADC and DVI, and still making ADC cards as well as sticking the DVI ones in.

[edgarj]

Sorry in advance if this has already been addressed earlier in the thread.

According to Viewsonic's website, the Radeon 8500 Mac Edition will display 3840x2400! Can that be possible when the 9800XT maxes at 1920x1200? Here's a link of cards for the 22" QUXGA-Wide monitor with all models supporting the res speced for the 30" Cinema Display.
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcd_vp2290bhardware.htm (http://)

The new Viewsonic/IBM/Hitachi 22" LCD displays that support a resolution (higher but) comparable to the rumored 30" specs use a crazy Matrox 4xDVI scheme to reach 3840 x 2400. The signals are delivered sepparately and combined by the monitor.

http://www.matrox.com/mga/archive_story/sept2003/media/t22+board_front2.jpg

http://www.matrox.com/mga/archive_story/sept2003/p_hr256.cfm (http://)

[Travis Novak]

I also use a FOrmac display that uses a single cable at the monitor end & a break out (connection box) box at the other end. It has the advantage of no adapter connection to my dvi PowerBook or other dvi Mac or PC. If Formac can do ita few years ago, my monitor is about 2 years old now, then Apple should be able to do at least this good if they do choose to change from ADC to DVI. The only difference with the ADC & the DVI FOrmac displays is at the computer end of the cable.

Bill the TaxMan

I have a quad ADC kvm connected to a powerbook, pc, pmg3, and recently a pmg5. i thought about buying a Dvi kvm and just connecting a single usb.
But...I found a faboulous deal on a formac ADC display 20" for $500!!!!!!
Anyway it was too goood to pass up so I bought it and had to buy two conversion boxes. The pc dvi dosen't like the monitor and it is quirky and unrealiable. Had Apple swithed to Dvi last year I might have saved $200 :(

[NicoMan]

I have been waiting for this moment ever since ADC came out. Goodbye old buddy, I won't miss you a bit. And yes, I do have an ADC display (Formac) and I do love the all-in-one connector, but DVI rules. I was shocked when Apple, one of the pioneers of the revolutionary DVI connection, would try to create a new connector, just as DVI was becomeing standard. ADC was a limited connector from it's birth. It didn't allow for higher power LCD's, it didn't allow for a new serial standard(USB 2.0), and it was not practical for home theater use, where there is no need for a USB connection to your DVD player and no collection of tiny pins will power a 60" plasma display. I realize there are people who love ADC, but for god sake can't you just connect two more wires to save me $100 on a stinking conversion box! If this rumor is true, I will buy a display. Not because I need it (already have a nice LCD) but to show my graditude to the wonderful ADC killing gods at Apple. Thank you sooooooo much Steve!



ADC sucks
DVI rules
(sorry ADC fans)

I do agree with you, though not as passionately. The all-in-one cable can be managed (check Formac) in a DVI connector, and if it means being able to have firewire hubs, USB 2.0 - or whatever future hub - on the monitor and high-power gigantic LCDs, I too say good riddance to ADC. And we are not even talking about the benefit for graphics cards...

[NicoMan]

I have to say I love ADC, so easy and efficient. Im a consumer, I dont care about massive 30 inch monitors (wth would I do with one 2 foot from the damn thing, Id get a crick in me neck trying to use the Apple Menu)

Personally I hope Apple allows for a smooth transition by allowing ADC and DVI, and still making ADC cards as well as sticking the DVI ones in.
If there is a switch to DVI, as we are led to believe, I don't think Apple will continue to have ADC cards, but they will provide people with a DVI to ADC adaptor. That adaptor will have to be powered and I'll bet it won't come cheap...

Oh well...

[jihad the movie]

I have a quad ADC kvm connected to a powerbook, pc, pmg3, and recently a pmg5. i thought about buying a Dvi kvm and just connecting a single usb.
But...I found a faboulous deal on a formac ADC display 20" for $500!!!!!!
Anyway it was too goood to pass up so I bought it and had to buy two conversion boxes. The pc dvi dosen't like the monitor and it is quirky and unrealiable. Had Apple swithed to Dvi last year I might have saved $200 :(


How did you find one for $500?

[Studio Dweller]

Sorry in advance if this has already been addressed earlier in the thread.

According to Viewsonic's website, the Radeon 8500 Mac Edition will display 3840x2400! Can that be possible when the 9800XT maxes at 1920x1200? Here's a link of cards for the 22" QUXGA-Wide monitor with all models supporting the res speced for the 30" Cinema Display.
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcd_vp2290bhardware.htm (http://)

The new Viewsonic/IBM/Hitachi 22" LCD displays that support a resolution (higher but) comparable to the rumored 30" specs use a crazy Matrox 4xDVI scheme to reach 3840 x 2400. The signals are delivered sepparately and combined by the monitor.

http://www.matrox.com/mga/archive_story/sept2003/media/t22+board_front2.jpg

http://www.matrox.com/mga/archive_story/sept2003/p_hr256.cfm (http://)

According the ATI site, the max resolutions of the Radeon 8500 are only 2048 x 1536 (analog) and 1600 x 1200 (digital).

[rkriheli]

does anyone have a link or copies of those "artist renditions" ?? I missed out on it before thinksecret took them down. :cool:

[jbee]

We are just about to spend around £15k on mac equipment and i'm trying to convince our CEO that it's worth waiting for the new 23" display!! nightmare. I thought it would be out by now and i am loathe to buy a new dual processor G5 and have an out of date display within weeks...

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHEN THE NEW SCREENS WILL BE HERE??!!! AAAAAAAAAGHGHGHGHHGHGH!!!

[ewinemiller]

We are just about to spend around £15k on mac equipment and i'm trying to convince our CEO that it's worth waiting for the new 23" display!! nightmare. I thought it would be out by now and i am loathe to buy a new dual processor G5 and have an out of date display within weeks...

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHEN THE NEW SCREENS WILL BE HERE??!!! AAAAAAAAAGHGHGHGHHGHGH!!!

The $500 rebate ends June 26th, WWDC starts June 28th, I would guess if they are coming it will be then. Tell your CEO that last time there was a change, it was a price drop from $3500 to $2000, that might be a way to convince him to hold off.

I would suspect however that you aren't going to get an "out of date" display in a few weeks. I would expect quicker response times, perhaps brighter, better color accuracy, maybe DVI interface, and a new enclosure, but nothing so ground breaking that would make you look at an existing 23" and say "what crap".