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arn
Jul 11, 2002, 02:14 AM
PowerPage is mirroring (http://www.powerpage.org/story.lasso?newsID=9589) Chris Barrus's homepage showing pictures unpacking his brand new XServe.

Soon after the Xserves were announced I ordered a dual-processor, dual-120GB hard drive, 1GB RAM Xserve to replace our aggregation of desktop machines (one G4 tower with AppleShare IP, one G4 tower with OS X Server, and a beige G3 just running basic file sharing) that made up our department file servers. I figured that the Xserves would ship soon after the release of Jaguar Server (whether it's 10.2, 10.5 or whatever), so I was prepared to wait. No big deal. I'd only just seen one for real the week before when a demo unit was shown off on campus.

Anyway, I damn near fell out of my chair when the UCI Computer Store called me (this was at 3pm on Friday, July 5th) to tell me our Xserve was in. A couple of microseconds later I was down there and had it in my hands.

szark
Jul 11, 2002, 02:30 AM
VERY cool.

I've been trying to convince one of my friends to try one out at his job, but he doesn't want to crawl out of his PeeCee world.

Wish I could afford one... :D

groovebuster
Jul 11, 2002, 04:07 AM
So give us some real world benchmarks of that machine... something we all are drooling about! :)

groovebuster

MacAztec
Jul 11, 2002, 04:15 AM
That machine is so damn loud! Good thing its a server!

kettle
Jul 11, 2002, 05:50 AM
Tell us about the smell

oh please
will you will you will you

tell me that brand new apple feeling still hits the spot.:)

OSeXy!
Jul 11, 2002, 06:44 AM
If one Xserve is that loud, I wonder what a dozen or two would be like. Funny that the first thing he notices is how loud it is, rather than how fast... Perhaps the noise is just to make it sound like an 'authentic server' to reassure PC techies. ;)

klmay65
Jul 11, 2002, 08:49 AM
Remember this is a server that should be in a server room. Not a desktop Mac that goes in your bedroom.

There are two huge fans inside, that generate the noise mentioned. I worked at Apple while these were being developed. I stood in the middle of testing racks with over 100 XServes running at once. It sounded like and Airport.

Eliot
Jul 11, 2002, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by klmay65


I worked at Apple while these were being developed. I stood in the middle of testing racks with over 100 XServes running at once. It sounded like and Airport. [/B]

Anything you'd like to share with us about your times there?

drastik
Jul 11, 2002, 09:21 AM
all that noise may say something about new case designs, though. If the MEtal Casing on the xserve doesn't cut down or possibly amplifies sound, they won't use it in a desktop.

Very cool, I wish I were unpacking one right now.:D

beno
Jul 11, 2002, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by klmay65
... It sounded like and Airport.

I suppose you mean airport, because an Airport is a perfectly quiet little piece of plastic...:p

klmay65
Jul 11, 2002, 09:54 AM
Airport, airport...

I worked in the Elk Grove manufacturing plant for 7 1/2 years (until the layoff on the 2nd).
I loved working there and working with all of the different products.
I was impressed with the XServe from the start. Even during pre-production, the hardware was very stable. I just hope they can get the processor speeds up soon. The highest we ever tested in production was the dual 1000 MHz (1 GHz). I would hope that Cupertino is testing higher speeds, but we never saw them.

:)
KenMo

King Cobra
Jul 11, 2002, 10:32 AM
An Xserve with no Keyboard, Mouse, etc.? And it's as loud as a peecee?

Why?

BTW, if you want to measure the decibel level of a certain number of products that give off the same intensity of sound, use this formula:

I = 10 log (a10^(n/10))

You want to find I. "a" represents the number of objects giving off a certain decibel level, "n". If the Xserve gave off 30 decibels of intensity and you had 100 of them, you would have 50 decibels. This is a variation of an Algebra 2 formula.

But, enough of the Math lesson. I wonder if this Xserve hosts 1.4GHz dual processors. If it does, then I wonder if IF the new PowerMacs also have 1.4GHz DPs, then they may be just as loud. I also wonder if the Xserve is also going to cost "mucho dinero" (lots of cash). I wouldn't be surprised if it does.

blakespot
Jul 11, 2002, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by kettle
Tell us about the smell

oh please
will you will you will you

tell me that brand new apple feeling still hits the spot.:)
The smell of a new Apple is indeed sublime. My Apple IIgs back in '87 was the first new Apple that _really_ hit me with the whole new smell feel, though it was there for the //c and IIe that came before it. More affecting than new car smell (which I am also experiencing right now (http://www.blakespot.com/images/subaru/the_machine.jpg)).


blakespot

Mac DV
Jul 11, 2002, 11:27 AM
I am so happy that there are folks out there willing to walk us through their experience like this. I was recently at the apple store in Palo Alto and I really just wanted to se an Xserve, but they didn't have one "yet".
I really wonder if these things have already or are going to catch on at major production/post production houses. Every one I've ever been in had a ton of macs around, and a ton of racks, but deck racks. I am curious if the xserve is one of the computers that Apple is making for their pro audio/video people that they had that big conference with to see what those people needed from apple, or is there something else just around the corner?
Nice work Chris.


Mac DV out-


P.S. That thing is loud, are all multi proc. servers like that?

tjwett
Jul 11, 2002, 11:27 AM
>"I am so happy that there are folks out there willing to walk us through their experience like this. I was recently at the apple store in Palo Alto and I really just wanted to se an Xserve, but they didn't have one "yet".
I really wonder if these things have already or are going to catch on at major production/post production houses. Every one I've ever been in had a ton of macs around, and a ton of racks, but deck racks. I am curious if the xserve is one of the computers that Apple is making for their pro audio/video people that they had that big conference with to see what those people needed from apple, or is there something else just around the corner?"


that thing is loud! did you guys hear the mp3 of it shutting down? i was thinking of getting one for audio production. i guess it would have to sit in another soundproof room which would be a pain. might be more trouble than it's worth. and yeah, servers are usually pretty loud.

gropo
Jul 11, 2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by King Cobra
I wonder if this Xserve hosts 1.4GHz dual processors. If it does, then I wonder if IF the new PowerMacs also have 1.4GHz DPs, then they may be just as loud. Keep in mind that the Xserve has 2 blowers, 1 for the CPU('s) and 1 for the PCI cards. Despite this, one wonders if the high-velocity CPU blower is a bit of overkill for the Dual-1Ghz, and was designed originally for much hotter, faster PowerPC's... Just a thought.

iH8Quark
Jul 11, 2002, 12:03 PM
That MP3 is going stright to the top of the charts. :p

King Cobra
Jul 11, 2002, 12:08 PM
tjwett, I tried saving the mp3 file, but I got an error, displaying that the host didn't exist, or some *****. Could you email me it? rf9h@loa.com

>Despite this, one wonders if the high-velocity CPU blower is a bit of overkill for the Dual-1Ghz, and was designed originally for much hotter, faster PowerPC's...
If that is so, then I am wondering how loud even faster computers with chips, such as G5 1.6GHz, etc. would be. If the Xserve is already loud enough, then either Apple needs to make better air flow with their products, quieter, but more powerful, fans should be implanted, or Motorola needs a bite in the ash to get them going with some less heat-producing chips. :eek: :cool:

tjwett
Jul 11, 2002, 12:42 PM
i just sent you the mp3. enjoy!

Sayer
Jul 11, 2002, 12:46 PM
The entire computer gives off heat, not just the CPUs or PCI cards.

Until someone invents room temp. superconductors all of the electronics will have resistance and with electricity pumping though anything with resistance the excess enegery is dissipated as heat.

Plus you can have up to four fat HDs running almost constantly in a box under 2" thick. More heat there.

I don't think anyone benches servers using Whispermarks any more than you'd judge an off road vehicle with Fuzzy Bunny index points.

I guess people are really disappointed that they can't stick one of the Xserves under their desk at home to serve their Star Wars fansite over their parents Cable modem.

Nipsy
Jul 11, 2002, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Sayer

I guess people are really disappointed that they can't stick one of the Xserves under their desk at home to serve their Star Wars fansite over their parents Cable modem.

As much as I agree with what your saying, I use alot of rack equipment at my desk (well, in my desk, the right half of which is a rack), and I was hoping to incorporate an 2 Xserves, one as my primary workstation, and one as my dev server. I have a 2 Compaq SCSI Drive racks (it's okay folks, the Macs don't know the drives are in a Compaq chassis), which are reasonably loud, but tolerable. I was hoping the Xserve would enhace the 'gentle hum'.

I suppose I'll have to find one and listen to it...

King Cobra
Jul 11, 2002, 01:24 PM
>i just sent you the mp3. enjoy!
Here's how I enjoyed it. I opened the file in Quicktime and played it, while simultaneously playing a remix song with iTunes, and I couldn't understand the lyrics, which are usually somewhat clear. I listened through my iPod earplugs. The whole thing sounded terrible. That's damn loud.

The loudest of my three computers is my iMac 233. This Xserve sounds about twice or three times as loud.

tjwett
Jul 11, 2002, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra

Here's how I enjoyed it. I opened the file in Quicktime and played it, while simultaneously playing a remix song with iTunes, and I couldn't understand the lyrics, which are usually somewhat clear. I listened through my iPod earplugs. The whole thing sounded terrible. That's damn loud.

The loudest of my three computers is my iMac 233. This Xserve sounds about twice or three times as loud.

yeah and the recording is good too. you can tell the mic is not right up against it or anything. you can hear the room ambience and other sounds. it's just that friggin' loud. i guess it needs to be.

jg3
Jul 11, 2002, 01:42 PM
"It's like a techie strip show!" :p

iN8
Jul 11, 2002, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by blakespot

The smell of a new Apple is indeed sublime. My Apple IIgs back in '87 was the first new Apple that _really_ hit me with the whole new smell feel, though it was there for the //c and IIe that came before it. More affecting than new car smell (which I am also experiencing right now (http://www.blakespot.com/images/subaru/the_machine.jpg)).


blakespot

I love those Scoobies. Is it a WRX?

King Cobra
Jul 11, 2002, 01:57 PM
>"It's like a techie strip show!" :p
Easy there, 3-dog. Find a cat, if you're bored! :D :D

I can already see someone's college dorm in three months. Some 19 year old college student, with his own dorm, and a visitor comes in. "Hey, dude. Why are you in your room vaccuuming? And where is your vaccuum anyways?" :eek: :D

Moonlight
Jul 11, 2002, 02:24 PM
I noticed that the xserve comes in a full color box, and I am glad to see apple using full color boxes for all the computers instead of borring brown boxes they used to have in the early 90's...I can't be the only one who saves all my apple boxes from every computer I have owned.

boobers
Jul 11, 2002, 03:47 PM
i still have my 7300 boxes and of course the PMquicksilver733 box! Those things could withstand a nuclear war! Apple sure does know how to pack 'em!!

jg3
Jul 11, 2002, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by boobers
i still have my 7300 boxes...
Hah! I'll do you one better - I still have two 7300s, one of which is still in use (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=www.macronyms.com), and is doing a mighty fine job if you ask me. The other is for sale!! Anyone interested? :)

gbojim
Jul 11, 2002, 04:44 PM
They are pretty loud if they are out in the open. But if you mount them in a rack with proper cover panels and close the doors, they're not that bad. You can easily work in the same room with the rack.

blakespot
Jul 11, 2002, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by iN8

http://www.blakespot.com/images/subaru/the_machine.jpg

I love those Scoobies. Is it a WRX?
It is not. The WRX was $5K more, and I could not justify $100/mo more on the payments for that. But...this RS 2.5 is pretty powerful with its 165hp boxer engine. I am not wanting for pickup.


blakespot

zed_stussy
Jul 12, 2002, 08:42 AM
I work at an applecentre in uk and we had our serves shipped in last week. We've got one running and it is just rarse. The noise? what noise, thats music to my ears god'dam.

The X serve will take over the world, in 2003. We will wake up with a big X stamped on our heads.

Mr Jobs, bring one of your x serves round to mine, i'll supply the beers and whiskey. and we'll sit and listen to the x serve