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nlivo
Jul 21, 2009, 08:46 AM
Okay, so as i type this, it is the 22nd of July (Australia)...and the AppleTV has recently been updated to be much more stable and the ability for the iPhone or iPod touch to use swipe gestures and some other cool features to control the AppleTV.

There will most likely be an Apple event sometime in September mostly based around iTunes and the iPod lines. We all know this has been a regular routine and we can predict it will happen again. If the AppleTV isn't updated then, I believe it'll be updated at MacWorld, why...

Because I think the next AppleTV update will be major. Huge. Giganormous. I would like Apple to incorporate the line into TV's as-well as the set-top box. So they can sell different size displays with AppleTV software already in there. And also just keep selling the box to connect onto already existing displays.

I also think Apple could get quite into the gaming. I think it has been a long time coming for Apple. It seems like a natural direction for the App Store to go to the TV...but we all know gaming has been very successful in the App Store...why not get the big companies in and build a whole gaming platform?

...but that's me dreaming though. That's me being the CEO of Apple and not Steve Jobs. Sometimes I do think Steve Jobes is too stubborn but that's a different topic altogether...

But those who are like me, and think that the AppleTV has a huge potential future for Apple, what are your thoughts on the AppleTV's future? Will Apple partner with another company? Will they start to incorporate an all-in display model? Tuner? Gaming? App Store?



dmm219
Jul 21, 2009, 09:09 AM
I don't know. People tend to neglect the sheer amount of pitfalls and problems with this market. Such as:

1. Movie studios have far more power and say over this market than Apple does
2. Large ISP's see a threat and are doing everything possible to slow or stall TV and movies over the internet (ie. bandwidth caps, metering, Comcast/TWC drive to move premium online content to cable subscribers only...etc)
3. Unless broadband radically improves in the near future, most consumers are blocked from the benefits of ATV due to low speeds
4. US consumers are just now adapting to new tv technologies and the recession is greatly slowing the transition.

I can definitely see and app store...it would be stupid for apple not to do this. It should be cheap and easy and something apple can totally control.

TV's with built in ATV: Could happen, but it doesn't fit with Apple's normal business strategies...the margins are way too small on tv's meaning these tv's either won't be able to compete (they will be priced way too high), or apple won't make any money on them (something apple rarely does). LICENSING to other tv manufactures however, is far more possible. (like netflix...etc)

I really think it could go either way. I think Apple would be fine just exiting the space altogether. They could also have a great idea to finally make a must-have device for the living room. At the end of the day, if the ATV is unable to be an economic replacement for cable tv, it will probably fail.

If we don't see anything in Sept, it will be a bad omen. The fact that Apple hasn't move to buy netflix while other companies have, is also a bad omen.

No one knows for sure...

Airforcekid
Jul 21, 2009, 09:23 AM
I could be wrong (Hope I am!) but I think its dead to truly compete it needs the following.
A simple web browser
Access to streaming sites like hulu or joost
Keyboard and mouse support.

All this has been done by hackers and since apple has not done it I fear the worst.

Update the firmware not the hardware.

geoffreak
Jul 21, 2009, 09:37 AM
An AppleTV would be so much more valuable if its processor was upgraded to support 1080p playback and it gets open to the App store.
If Apple would use iPhones/iPod Touches as controllers, the "ATV game console" would have the potential to completely overtake the Wii (Xbox 360 and PS3 aren't likely to be hurt).
Apple opened up to games with the iPhone, and I believe they will pack more power behind their app store at some point by connecting the ATV.

aprofetto
Jul 21, 2009, 09:41 AM
Apple should open it to all file formats and give it the ability to truly play HD movies.

None of this 5 mbps bitrate crap.

BORIStheBLADE
Jul 21, 2009, 09:53 AM
To stay competitive in the streamer business it will need at least a hardware update for 1080p and codec support update.

zedsdead
Jul 21, 2009, 10:00 AM
1st off, there is no Macworld with Apple Keynotes anymore.

2nd, we have had threads on this topic, and there have been absolutely no rumors as of late that show what Apple plans to do with the Apple TV. The last bit of info came at the release of the 1st quarter finances, where Apple said they would continue to invest in the Apple TV (and since then we received the recent 2.4 update w/ remote features).

Hopefully tomorrow someone will again ask about it (not that Apple will say much, but to hear that it still is in the future of the company will be a good sign.

I agree that the best date for an update to the Apple TV will be at the iPod Event in September, largely because at this point what can they fill the event with. An iPod Touch / Nano with a camera is not going to take up a whole lot of time.

I personally expect a much better processor that can handle 1080p, and an App Store.

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 10:12 AM
Apple should open it to all file formats and give it the ability to truly play HD movies.

None of this 5 mbps bitrate crap.

HD refers only to resolution, not bitrate.

How big would a 1080p movie be at an acceptable bitrate? I don't mean that question to be rhetorical. It has been mentioned that 1080p would be limited by current average bandwidth in the US. I'm wondering how big the actual files would be.

randy98mtu
Jul 21, 2009, 10:31 AM
I personally expect a much better processor that can handle 1080p, and an App Store.

That's what I expect. With the iPhone/Touch controller, I wouldn't be surprised to see some web browsing as well. I'm sure there will be a few innovative features that people haven't imagined yet as well.

I love my Apple TV and the anticipation of a new one is killing me!

geoffreak
Jul 21, 2009, 10:34 AM
To stay competitive in the streamer business it will need at least a hardware update for 1080p and codec support update.
Apple will not support any other codecs. See the iPod.
If you think it is because of the cost of licensing, think again. Apple has refused Ogg (an open source codec) in HTML5, instead pushing for the royalty driven h.264

How big would a 1080p movie be at an acceptable bitrate? I don't mean that question to be rhetorical.
...
I'm wondering how big the actual files would be.
1080p movies can range in size between 3GB to 8GB on average.

upinflames900
Jul 21, 2009, 10:35 AM
When debating whether to purchase an Apple TV the only major setback for me was the lack of 1080p resolution support. If apple is going to keep up on this they really need to be able to play 1080p movies. It is just hard to dish out the money on a nice 1080p plasma and then have to settle with a 1080i or 720p movie player.

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 10:43 AM
1080p movies can range in size between 3GB to 8GB on average.

At what bitrate?

Shuttleworth
Jul 21, 2009, 10:52 AM
If Apple would use iPhones/iPod Touches as controllers, the "ATV game console" would have the potential to completely overtake the Wii (Xbox 360 and PS3 aren't likely to be hurt).


The problem with iPod touch's as game controllers would be battery life. When I use the 'Remote' app with the 'Stay Connected' option, the battery drains very quickly. I don't think it'd last for a few hours of gaming.

MacBoobsPro
Jul 21, 2009, 10:54 AM
If you ask me all it needs is support for external HD.

The ATV is supposed to "free you from your computer" but it does exactly the opposite. If I want to stream anything, which I always have to do because the HD is so small :rolleyes: I need to fire up my Time Capsule (large drive) and my MacBook. So that I can stream a signal from the MB to the TC, to get the file from the TC to go via the MB to the ATV. :mad:

Why can't I just stick a HD in the USB port and have done with it?

Yes I can hack it but thats not the point.

I used to love my ATV but now its a PITA and I rarely use it now because it drops out all the time because the signal is being bounced from once thing to next before eventually arriving at the TV. Because I rarely use it I now hardly ever make any purchases on it. Its apple shooting themselves in the foot if you ask me.

OddyOh
Jul 21, 2009, 10:55 AM
1080p would be great, but like was said earlier, I'm not sure where the bandwidth is going to come from. For now, Blu-ray is the way. Which is why I got my PS3.

I'd like to see an App Store for AppleTV, that would add some value. Gaming is the obvious direction to go in, but I don't know what they'd use for controls...using the iPhone is ok for a remote, but I dunno, would we want to play entire games on the TV with this method?

But yeah, if we don't hear in September anything new, then it might be curtains.

I don't see them adding it to regular TVs or monitors. Apple wouldn't want to compete in that market price-wise. Plus I hate these new TVs with Yahoo widgets and stuff...one more thing to go wrong.

randy98mtu
Jul 21, 2009, 11:02 AM
The ATV is supposed to "free you from your computer" but it does exactly the opposite. If I want to stream anything, which I always have to do because the HD is so small :rolleyes: I need to fire up my Time Capsule (large drive) and my MacBook. So that I can stream a signal from the MB to the TC, to get the file from the TC to go via the MB to the ATV. :mad:

My view of the ATV was the opposite. I wanted to bring my digital media to my TV. I bought an iMac and turned off sleep mode. I can plug in all the external hard drives I need. I ran an ethernet cable from my office to my main TV so I wouldn't have any connection issues with the ATV. Now I pick my content and within a few seconds it's playing. No fumbling through shelves (or boxes in my case) of DVD's looking for one to watch. It's all there, cued up, organized with artwork and ready to play at the touch of a button. Once I have another one, I'll have the same viewing freedom in my bedroom. For now I just unplug it, carry it upstairs and plug it in to my other TV and I've just made all my content available on that TV.

Everyone has a slightly different vision for their viewing habits. Some people talk about replacing cable with the ATV. When i did the math, I figured I could if I just watched my core shows. But my wife and babysitter channel surf and watch a lot of shows that I would not buy through the iTunes store. So I still have value for my Dish.

aprofetto
Jul 21, 2009, 11:07 AM
HD refers only to resolution, not bitrate.

How big would a 1080p movie be at an acceptable bitrate? I don't mean that question to be rhetorical. It has been mentioned that 1080p would be limited by current average bandwidth in the US. I'm wondering how big the actual files would be.

I've seen HD movies hit as high as 25-30 mbps in terms of bitrates.

And in terms of what HD really means, yes I know it refers to the resolution, but a 1080p HD movie running at 5 mbps will not look nearly as good as a 1080p HD movie running at 25-30 mbps.

brendu
Jul 21, 2009, 11:31 AM
it needs a web browser... add that, and a huge hdd, and ill get one

BORIStheBLADE
Jul 21, 2009, 11:33 AM
Apple will not support any other codecs. See the iPod.
If you think it is because of the cost of licensing, think again. Apple has refused Ogg (an open source codec) in HTML5, instead pushing for the royalty driven h.264


Its not so much the actual codec its more of the CONTAINER. They only files they will let you use are .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats.

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP19

Everything is pretty much going in the .MKV direction so it would be nice for them to allow that container.

IF you ONLY want to buy movies from itunes then the Appletv is fine. Since its a streamer people would like to put their own videos without spending tons of hours converting it.

If they only want people to rent movies and buy movies on itunes then then the Atv should be free.

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 12:03 PM
I've seen HD movies hit as high as 25-30 mbps in terms of bitrates.

If you want 1080p at 25 mbbs, you are looking at file sizes upwards of 20Gb for a two hour movie. How would you expect Apple to make a business of something like that?

And in terms of what HD really means, yes I know it refers to the resolution, but a 1080p HD movie running at 5 mbps will not look nearly as good as a 1080p HD movie running at 25-30 mbps.

If you understand what HD is, why did you say that an AppleTV cannot "truly play HD movies"? Why not just ask for support for a higher bitrate?

aprofetto
Jul 21, 2009, 12:28 PM
If you want 1080p at 25 mbbs, you are looking at file sizes upwards of 20Gb for a two hour movie. How would you expect Apple to make a business of something like that?

Yes I understand how big files get at those kind of bitrates, thats why god invented streaming.

EDIT: And if you are naive enough to think people only have content purchased from iTunes on their AppleTV's, then you got another thing coming. Apple doesn't have to sell movies that have 25 mbps, but at least enable the AppleTV to be able to handle that kind of bitrate.


If you understand what HD is, why did you say that an AppleTV cannot "truly play HD movies"? Why not just ask for support for a higher bitrate?

I'm not going to sit here and defend what I said. If you're happy watching 'HD' content at 5 mbps and stuck at 720p, then go ahead.

profets
Jul 21, 2009, 12:40 PM
If you want 1080p at 25 mbbs, you are looking at file sizes upwards of 20Gb for a two hour movie. How would you expect Apple to make a business of something like that?


first off, you dont have to go up to 20 GB for a movie. i've seen plenty with variable bit rates that are anywhere from 8 to 12 GB and have bit rate hit as high as 30 mbps.

second, apple doesnt have to make a business out of it. its a piece of hardware that needs to improve. i dont know too many details about the appleTV, but if its truly hardware limited to 720p and/or 5mbps then that kinda sucks no. regardless of how high a bitrate you think is good, or what apple sells, would you not want an appleTV ability to stream higher quality video?

with networked streamers like this around, i'd hope apple is working on updated hardware
HDX1000 (http://www.hdx1080.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=1&flypage=flypage.ilvm_blue.tpl&product_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100094&vmcchk=1&Itemid=100094)

zedsdead
Jul 21, 2009, 12:43 PM
1080p content would need a bitrate of 10mbps at least.

Apple really needs a new remote that connects via Bluetooth. The remote app is cool and all, but it needs a more dedicated and stable solution.

node808
Jul 21, 2009, 12:54 PM
I looked into the Apple TV a few months ago and quickly dismissed the idea of purchasing one. I think it has so much potential, but due to the stubborn, closed nature of apple products, that potential with never be realized. The ATV should have been developed into a full media center by now, but its remained nothing more than a very limited streaming device. Maybe that's all it was meant to be, I dunno, but I think that it will need to be much more than what it currently is if hopes to survive.

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 01:13 PM
first off, you dont have to go up to 20 GB for a movie. i've seen plenty with variable bit rates that are anywhere from 8 to 12 GB and have bit rate hit as high as 30 mbps.

I didn't say you have to go to 20GB, I said "If you want 1080p at 25 mbbs..." which is what the poster I was responding to requested.

second, apple doesnt have to make a business out of it. its a piece of hardware that needs to improve. i dont know too many details about the appleTV, but if its truly hardware limited to 720p and/or 5mbps then that kinda sucks no. regardless of how high a bitrate you think is good, or what apple sells, would you not want an appleTV ability to stream higher quality video?

Of course I would want better hardware, but I don't think Apple is behind the times in video quality on the AppleTV. Until the 1080p content is more feasible, 1080p support is more of a "nice to have" feature.

Is there even a source of 1080p commercial content without the legal issues of ripping a blu-ray movie?

nuckinfutz
Jul 21, 2009, 01:13 PM
I looked into the Apple TV a few months ago and quickly dismissed the idea of purchasing one. I think it has so much potential, but due to the stubborn, closed nature of apple products, that potential with never be realized. The ATV should have been developed into a full media center by now, but its remained nothing more than a very limited streaming device. Maybe that's all it was meant to be, I dunno, but I think that it will need to be much more than what it currently is if hopes to survive.

Depends on how you consume your media.

For right now the quality is with optical technology like Blu-ray but 720p content has a place as well and it will look
better than DVD which is the standard everyone must have.

I'm not much enthused about giving comcast a grand a year and the only reason why I have a basic account is because my gf
likes the crap on TV. I'm a movie buyer/renter and so I'd rather take my budget and get Netflix.

I'm a fan of screwing around with iLife and the Apple TV makes for the perfect playback device. It certainly beats the need to have to
encode to DVD and then walk over and shove the disc in a player and hope everything works.

In 5 years we'll have the successor to h.264 and it'll halve the required bandwidth. So today's 5GB movie will be 2.5GB and we may see
1080p movies hit iTunes. Broadband will also be faster as well.

The Apple TV simply has to wait and let the infrastructure catch up.

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 01:21 PM
I looked into the Apple TV a few months ago and quickly dismissed the idea of purchasing one. I think it has so much potential, but due to the stubborn, closed nature of apple products, that potential with never be realized. The ATV should have been developed into a full media center by now, but its remained nothing more than a very limited streaming device. Maybe that's all it was meant to be, I dunno, but I think that it will need to be much more than what it currently is if hopes to survive.

You are definitely missing something... an AppleTV! :D

You say it needs to be much more. What do you think it needs?

profets
Jul 21, 2009, 01:50 PM
Of course I would want better hardware, but I don't think Apple is behind the times in video quality on the AppleTV. Until the 1080p content is more feasible, 1080p support is more of a "nice to have" feature.

Is there even a source of 1080p commercial content without the legal issues of ripping a blu-ray movie?

how about video recorded from an HD camcorder?

honestly, unless i watch tv shows or movies purchased/rented from itunes, is there really a point to appleTV? if not then i really dont understand why it is such an expensive device...

profets
Jul 21, 2009, 01:54 PM
You say it needs to be much more. What do you think it needs?

support for more codecs & containers, ability to stream content at higher than 5mbps bitrate to name a few

honestly, look at the specs of the HDX1000 (http://www.hdx1080.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=1&flypage=flypage.ilvm_blue.tpl&product_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100094&vmcchk=1&Itemid=100094) . It costs less than an appleTV, yet has an incredible amount of codec support, network connectivity options and powerful hardware.

If I am in the market to purchase a network streamer, i really dont know why i should choose an appleTV over the HDX1000.. honestly, which would you choose if you were looking?

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 02:16 PM
how about video recorded from an HD camcorder?

You missed the word "commercial" in my question.

honestly, unless i watch tv shows or movies purchased/rented from itunes, is there really a point to appleTV? if not then i really dont understand why it is such an expensive device...

Like all Apple products, it is a much worse value towards the end of it's product cycle, since they do not decrease the price as the components become cheaper.

Is there a point to an AppleTV if you don't use any of its features? Probably not. :rolleyes:

But if you want a device that integrates with iTunes, syncs and/or streams your music, video, and photo libraries to your home theater system, allows you to access YouTube, Flicker, and MobileMe, view podcasts, watch ripped DVDs, rent HD movies, watch trailers, and whatever else it does, then there is a point to it.

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 02:40 PM
honestly, look at the specs of the HDX1000 (http://www.hdx1080.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=1&flypage=flypage.ilvm_blue.tpl&product_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100094&vmcchk=1&Itemid=100094) . It costs less than an appleTV, yet has an incredible amount of codec support, network connectivity options and powerful hardware.

It costs $10 less than an AppleTV. That would not affect my purchasing decision.

In looking over the description, I noticed a distinct absence of any screenshots of the UI. If it's going to be in my living room, that is important!

Additional codec support isn't important to me. Any DVD or CD rips I do are to a compatible format. Music acquired from the internet is almost always AAC or MP3. Podcasts are almost universally compatible with iTunes. Video rentals from the AppleTV, YouTube, home video, and DVDs are the only video sources I use.

If I am in the market to purchase a network streamer, i really dont know why i should choose an appleTV over the HDX1000.. honestly, which would you choose if you were looking?

If I was ONLY interested in network streaming, I would consider an HDX1000. But the other features of an AppleTV are more important to me.

Shuttleworth
Jul 21, 2009, 02:53 PM
We just got an AppleTV from the refurb store for £130. We also bought new living room furniture. If we'd had to buy DVD cabinets to match the furniture it'd cost more than £130. As it is all my DVD's are in a box in the attic, and still available to watch on the AppleTV thanks to Handbrake.

When people visit they're impressed with its ease of use and the photo's are always conversation points, but when they ask about converting DVD's you can see the expressions glaze over as they realise they won't be able to do it. It pays to be geeky sometimes :D, but a 'one click conversion' version of Handbrake would make it a lot more appealing. If iTunes could convert DVD it'd be perfect, but that'll never happen :mad:. TV show rentals'd be great too.

Are normal people really bothered about HD at the moment? The shops sell very little choice of BD and it's still expensive. DVD's are now cheap and still popular, so does AppleTV need to got 1080p yet for the majority of people?

profets
Jul 21, 2009, 03:23 PM
You missed the word "commercial" in my question.


sorry about that. but regardless, that is content that people could have at home and i'm sure would love to stream

Like all Apple products, it is a much worse value towards the end of it's product cycle, since they do not decrease the price as the components become cheaper.

Is there a point to an AppleTV if you don't use any of its features? Probably not. :rolleyes:

But if you want a device that integrates with iTunes, syncs and/or streams your music, video, and photo libraries to your home theater system, allows you to access YouTube, Flicker, and MobileMe, view podcasts, watch ripped DVDs, rent HD movies, watch trailers, and whatever else it does, then there is a point to it.

fair enough, and it does have several features, and a decent UI, but video options are horribly lacking, period.

profets
Jul 21, 2009, 03:28 PM
It costs $10 less than an AppleTV. That would not affect my purchasing decision.

In looking over the description, I noticed a distinct absence of any screenshots of the UI. If it's going to be in my living room, that is important!

Additional codec support isn't important to me. Any DVD or CD rips I do are to a compatible format. Music acquired from the internet is almost always AAC or MP3. Podcasts are almost universally compatible with iTunes. Video rentals from the AppleTV, YouTube, home video, and DVDs are the only video sources I use.

If I was ONLY interested in network streaming, I would consider an HDX1000. But the other features of an AppleTV are more important to me.

i'm sure the UI wont be as pretty as appleTV, but i'm using this to stream content, not stare at the UI. if i wanted to play with a beautiful UI, i'd be using a mac mini running windows 7 with Media Center.

also, even if its $10, it is cheaper, more powerful, and offers more options.

not only can i view my photos, or play music, or use youtube,flickr or whatever, i could play videos in any format. ripped DVDs like you mentioned? sure, why not. but since we're talking about HD, how about some AVCHD from my camcorder at 24mbps or ripped bluray discs? obviously not everyone has this need, but i got into the conversation because of how HD was initially brought up as something that we hoped apple would improve in the appleTV..

MacBoobsPro
Jul 21, 2009, 03:28 PM
My view of the ATV was the opposite. I wanted to bring my digital media to my TV. I bought an iMac and turned off sleep mode. I can plug in all the external hard drives I need. I ran an ethernet cable from my office to my main TV so I wouldn't have any connection issues with the ATV. Now I pick my content and within a few seconds it's playing. No fumbling through shelves (or boxes in my case) of DVD's looking for one to watch. It's all there, cued up, organized with artwork and ready to play at the touch of a button. Once I have another one, I'll have the same viewing freedom in my bedroom. For now I just unplug it, carry it upstairs and plug it in to my other TV and I've just made all my content available on that TV.

Everyone has a slightly different vision for their viewing habits. Some people talk about replacing cable with the ATV. When i did the math, I figured I could if I just watched my core shows. But my wife and babysitter channel surf and watch a lot of shows that I would not buy through the iTunes store. So I still have value for my Dish.

My point is if you have more than 10 movies in your library you need to stream because anything more and you struggle to fit it on the tiny HD of the ATV. Streaming involves having a computer running itunes to be turned on which means to watch the ATV you need a computer. i.e. It doesnt free you from your computer, it ties you to it even more. :rolleyes:

A 500GB would of been an acceptable minimum, a 1TB would of been what normal people would put in there but a 40GB HD is not even funny. It almost seems like they missed a 0 off in the specs by mistake and still produced it.

profets
Jul 21, 2009, 03:38 PM
My point is if you have more than 10 movies in your library you need to stream because anything more and you struggle to fit it on the tiny HD of the ATV. Streaming involves having a computer running itunes to be turned on which means to watch the ATV you need a computer. i.e. It doesnt free you from your computer, it ties you to it even more. :rolleyes:

A 500GB would of been an acceptable minimum, a 1TB would of been what normal people would put in there but a 40GB HD is not even funny. It almost seems like they missed a 0 off in the specs by mistake and still produced it.

i'm unsure, but is the appleTV able to stream from a NAS? would be a nice setup to have NAS with loads of storage and all media kept there. that way an appleTV or any computer when in use could stream from that device

BORIStheBLADE
Jul 21, 2009, 03:39 PM
All it really boils down to is if people went out of the way to hack it and give other features then that means they're was a market for it.

Some people leave their computers on all day so streaming from a computer isn't the end of the world.

If the Atv is/was able to connect to a usb raid server then you wouldn't need a computer on.

munkees
Jul 21, 2009, 04:10 PM
I didn't say you have to go to 20GB, I said "If you want 1080p at 25 mbbs..." which is what the poster I was responding to requested.



Of course I would want better hardware, but I don't think Apple is behind the times in video quality on the AppleTV. Until the 1080p content is more feasible, 1080p support is more of a "nice to have" feature.

Is there even a source of 1080p commercial content without the legal issues of ripping a blu-ray movie?

vodu does 1080p content, and is available.

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 04:21 PM
vodu does 1080p content, and is available.

At less than 4mbps. An AppleTV supports better quality.

MacBoobsPro
Jul 21, 2009, 04:24 PM
i'm unsure, but is the appleTV able to stream from a NAS? would be a nice setup to have NAS with loads of storage and all media kept there. that way an appleTV or any computer when in use could stream from that device

I believe it will only work with hacking but don't quote me on that.

All it really boils down to is if people went out of the way to hack it and give other features then that means they're was a market for it.

Some people leave their computers on all day so streaming from a computer isn't the end of the world.

If the Atv is/was able to connect to a usb raid server then you wouldn't need a computer on.


Leaving the computer on all day is great, but the energy prices these days are getting ridiculous and really aren't the answer when you want to casually sit down and watch a movie every other night. Thats 48 hours of 'uptime' for 2 hours worth of use.

Yes you can set the computer to come on at certain times but you are still tied to a computer and its all because of the small HDs. Just upping the HD size will make a massive positive impact on the ATV community and will also promote more sales via iTunes as people seek to utilise the space available.

BaldiMac
Jul 21, 2009, 04:32 PM
Yes you can set the computer to come on at certain times but you are still tied to a computer and its all because of the small HDs. Just upping the HD size will make a massive positive impact on the ATV community and will also promote more sales via iTunes as people seek to utilise the space available.

Obviously, JUST upping the HD size will not make a massive positive impact. They tried that. 160GB is enough for 60-80 movies. A relatively large library.

BORIStheBLADE
Jul 21, 2009, 04:44 PM
I believe it will only work with hacking but don't quote me on that.




Leaving the computer on all day is great, but the energy prices these days are getting ridiculous and really aren't the answer when you want to casually sit down and watch a movie every other night. Thats 48 hours of 'uptime' for 2 hours worth of use.

Yes you can set the computer to come on at certain times but you are still tied to a computer and its all because of the small HDs. Just upping the HD size will make a massive positive impact on the ATV community and will also promote more sales via iTunes as people seek to utilise the space available.



Well I don't think putting a larger HD in the Atv is the trick though. There are people out there with 1tb and up of media. Right now I have all my DVD's ripped and its 800gigs. Just the main movie with one audio file etc. They aren't converted to a smaller file, but I have them the .MKV container with no quality loss.

If someone came out with an app that converted X to whatever Atv file in a very reasonable time then things might be different. Spending 3+ hours converting movies is for the birds. Until then...

no.1 Apple Fan
Jul 21, 2009, 04:49 PM
I hope the :apple:TV gains Blu-ray (just as long as it can play normal DVDs too), a DVR, and an improved remote that is easier to type through.

nutmac
Jul 21, 2009, 06:21 PM
As much as we all want Blu-Ray, 1 TB storage, and other great things, the economies of scale suggest Apple is looking for less costly update.

Components such as slightly larger hard disk and processors won't add much (if any) over existing components.

More interesting, and perhaps more lucrative, are software updates. Apple has been rolling out many new features to existing Apple TV hardware, but let's face it. Its 1 GHz Pentium M processor isn't cutting it. A lowly Atom on Ion platform should give it a serious performance increase, enabling 1080p and more advanced applications and features (perhaps App Store for games and 3rd party video services).

My personal wish is DVR, at least for over-the-air ATSC broadcast (CableCARD is still a big mess). If not DVR, at least on-board ATSC tuner to allow cool features like Dashboard widgets (e.g., Twitter, weather) laid over video contents.

bohbot16
Jul 21, 2009, 07:42 PM
Leaving the computer on all day is great, but the energy prices these days are getting ridiculous and really aren't the answer when you want to casually sit down and watch a movie every other night. Thats 48 hours of 'uptime' for 2 hours worth of use.

Apple has a fix of sorts in store for Snow Leopard. From http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/

More efficient file sharing.
The Bonjour technology in every Mac makes file and media sharing virtually effortless. Now Bonjour in Snow Leopard makes sharing more energy efficient. If you have a computer in your home or office that shares files ó like media files for your Apple TV ó you have to leave the computer on all the time, which isnít very energy efficient. With Snow Leopard and a compatible AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule base station, however, your computer can go to sleep yet continue to share its files with other computers and devices, waking when you need it and sleeping when you donít.