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MezicanGangxtah
Jul 24, 2009, 02:11 AM
So, Logic 9 is finally among us. What do you think? anything from your wish-list still missing? and for early buyers let us know how buggy it is and anything else!



synth3tik
Jul 24, 2009, 02:26 AM
The problem is they want $200 for the upgrade. The new features are nice, but I already have invested in plug ins that can do most of it.

I feel Apple really let Logic 8 die. There was what 2 support updates.

I running 8. If I decide not to go with Cubase (After 10 years of Logic) or If I'll pay the $200 and hope that it also fixes the bugs still in 8.

I'm also right in the middle of a project, so looking at upgrading the DAW is not possible.

seisend
Jul 24, 2009, 02:58 AM
I think Logic 9 is great. specially for guitar players/recorders like me and the flex tool makes things just so much easier. Logic 8 was a great product too ! Also Mainstage 2 makes performing live much more fun and easier too.

can't wait !

musio
Jul 24, 2009, 06:05 AM
for the price it's a steal!

deej999
Jul 24, 2009, 07:12 AM
Audio Quantize and Guitar Amp features! Looks good for the money.

dLight
Jul 24, 2009, 07:33 AM
Logic 9 appears to me the most significant update Logic had. Logic 8 changed a lot of workflow and UI related stuff, but 9 comes with some features pro and semipro users have been waiting for for a long time - like elastic audio, multitrack (non-destructive) audio quantizing, bounce-in-place and much more.

Audio editing has obviously been improved a lot, and that's the area where Pro Tools users and others have been complaining about Logic 8.

With 200 new features and probably loads of bugfixes, it's going to attract a lot of new users.

fernmeister
Jul 24, 2009, 07:40 AM
Given that 8 was still buggy as of yesterday, I'm not confident 9 will be any better.

However, the new features are very good and there are a lot of editing and workflow improvements that will, for me, regularly save hours and headaches. This update is a big shot across the bows of Pro Tools for audio editing and project handling.

What is interesting is the way Mainstage has developed. It's really become a very interesting performance tool and a different take on loop performance to what you can do with Live. Very cool.

What's yet to be revealed is how well Waveburner will perform. It had become the black sheep of the "studio" and was close to unusable in it's last iteration. Here's hoping for a big performance boost there.

Anyway. I'm sold. The Audio editing and project handling improvements alone justify the price.

salientstimulus
Jul 24, 2009, 07:56 AM
From the apple store:
"There are two Logic Studio upgrades available: the upgrade from an earlier version of Logic Studio or Logic Pro; and the upgrade from Logic Express. Academic and Not-For-Resale (NFR) versions are not eligible for either upgrade. (http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/product/MB799Z/A?mco=NzQwMDU4Nw)"

This is a little ambiguous as to which versions of Express the upgrade works on. When I've looked at these before, they always have specified which versions the upgrade is valid for.

I'd like to think Apple wouldn't be selling an upgrade that only works from LE9 if they haven't even released it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised either...

gotzero
Jul 24, 2009, 09:58 AM
I have learned to work around what is bugging me. I think that I am going to hold off on upgrading for a bit until I can verify that some of the basic things are fixed. Once my current crop of projects is done I will probably bite the bullet.

jeffy.dee-lux
Jul 24, 2009, 10:25 AM
The improvements look great to me, but sadly i just bought an academic version in June, thinking this update wouldn't come till after snow leopard. I didn't think i'd really need this update anyways, but considering i was just looking into whether I'd be able to use Logic as a loop pedal about 4 days ago, obviously the new Mainstage is very attractive to me. I might upgrade a few months down the road. And by upgrade, i mean buy another non-upgradable full version of Studio. Meh... still cheaper than a single full version I guess, but in retrospect I definitely would have waited a month for this. I had heard rumors of the time stretch effects and things like that, but if I had heard rumors of a looping system, i would have paid more attention!

dryjoy
Jul 24, 2009, 12:05 PM
The improvements look great to me, but sadly i just bought an academic version in June, thinking this update wouldn't come till after snow leopard. I didn't think i'd really need this update anyways, but considering i was just looking into whether I'd be able to use Logic as a loop pedal about 4 days ago, obviously the new Mainstage is very attractive to me. I might upgrade a few months down the road. And by upgrade, i mean buy another non-upgradable full version of Studio. Meh... still cheaper than a single full version I guess, but in retrospect I definitely would have waited a month for this. I had heard rumors of the time stretch effects and things like that, but if I had heard rumors of a looping system, i would have paid more attention!

Oh man, I'm in exactly the same boat as you, I bought my academic version of Studio in June too. I was feeling a bit annoyed about it, until I realised that paying for 9 with academic discount in the UK is still cheaper than paying the upgrade price. In the UK, the academic price is 118, if you bought Logic 8 at full price it was about 399, and the upgrade from that to 9 is something like 159, so I figure I'm not too hard done by. Sure, it might have been better to wait a month if I'd had a crystal ball, but I'm still gonna get a much better deal than most folk, and IMHO for what you get it really is a steal. So I plan on squeezing a bit more out of 8, and upgrading to 9 in a few months. Bearing in mind I have come from Logic 4.7 on OS 9, I have plenty to be getting on with in Logic 8 on Leopard!
I appreciate however that I am only aware of the UK pricing, it might not work out at all like that in Canada.
Good luck for when you do upgrade!

MezicanGangxtah
Jul 24, 2009, 12:12 PM
Logic Academic Pricing was $449 when logic 8 was out in the apple website, but at many college and university bookstore's they sold it around $150. It says that Logic 9 is $449 with academic pricing at the apple store right now.
Would anyone happen to know if universities and college bookstore's would sell logic 9 at that $150 price?

kcfroines
Jul 24, 2009, 01:09 PM
Logic Academic Pricing was $449 when logic 8 was out in the apple website, but at many college and university bookstore's they sold it around $150. It says that Logic 9 is $449 with academic pricing at the apple store right now.
Would anyone happen to know if universities and college bookstore's would sell logic 9 at that $150 price?


the $150 version is just the Logic Express Version... which is missing quite a few things from the Logic Pro Version. In my opinion the Express version isn't worth buying unless its your first time doing digital Audio

MezicanGangxtah
Jul 24, 2009, 01:47 PM
the $150 version is just the Logic Express Version... which is missing quite a few things from the Logic Pro Version. In my opinion the Express version isn't worth buying unless its your first time doing digital Audio

Actually Logic Express cost around $80 for logic 8 at college bookstore's, its $150 using academic pricing via apple store.

and why isnt it worth buying? this time around it even includes surround sound capabilities, just less synths and loops, and the extra programs (Mainstage, Waveburner, etc. ) but the difference gap is even less this time around.

Im just wondering if college's will sell logic 9 at the super low price of before, since ill be eligible this fall :D

synth3tik
Jul 24, 2009, 05:22 PM
My biggest thing is I have sent Apple maybe 20 or so crash reports and submitted feedback at least 5 times. What has come of any of that. I would have rather had an update to 8. I don't want to spend the money if the problems still persist. New features mean nothing if the DAW does not function right.

As far as Main Stage. It's called spending the money on Live.

Even Mainstage 2 fails to impress me.

MezicanGangxtah
Jul 24, 2009, 10:17 PM
My biggest thing is I have sent Apple maybe 20 or so crash reports and submitted feedback at least 5 times. What has come of any of that. I would have rather had an update to 8. I don't want to spend the money if the problems still persist. New features mean nothing if the DAW does not function right.

As far as Main Stage. It's called spending the money on Live.

Even Mainstage 2 fails to impress me.

we got a hater on our hands! haha

but seriously, if the product you buy doesn't cut it, and customer support is rotten, then maybe stop adding fuel to the fire and just not buy logic anymore?

personally its been excellent with me therefor i look forward to the update.

xparaparafreakx
Jul 25, 2009, 01:11 AM
Im going to still assume that Logic 9 is $150 for students.

However, I do not think im gonna get it as a student. I already bought Logic 8 as a student 2 years ago. Time for me to get a regular version so I can do updates.

Ill check at the bookstore to see if Logic 9 is the same price, $150.

MezicanGangxtah
Jul 25, 2009, 02:13 AM
Im going to still assume that Logic 9 is $150 for students.

However, I do not think im gonna get it as a student. I already bought Logic 8 as a student 2 years ago. Time for me to get a regular version so I can do updates.

Ill check at the bookstore to see if Logic 9 is the same price, $150.


cool thanks! report back your findings!

joe.cavers
Jul 25, 2009, 03:50 AM
As far as Main Stage. It's called spending the money on Live.

Even Mainstage 2 fails to impress me.

I hear that. Live is THE performance tool on the market. Fair enough, Mainstage 2 will enable you to use Logic environments in Live if that's your thing... but I still reckon Live is better.

Which is why on Monday I'm buying Live 8! I might think about Logic 9 nearer xmas or something.

JC

synth3tik
Jul 25, 2009, 04:32 PM
we got a hater on our hands! haha

but seriously, if the product you buy doesn't cut it, and customer support is rotten, then maybe stop adding fuel to the fire and just not buy logic anymore?

personally its been excellent with me therefor i look forward to the update.


Easier said then done there. I have been using Logic for 10 years. I also have invested $1000s in AU plug ins. I love Logic. Like everything else though there are bugs. Any new features in 9 would be nice, but I am more then fine with 8 when it works property. None of the features in 9 address the issues with 8.

If anything I will have to wait until 10.6 before considering 9. If 10.6 helps the pro apps like Apple said it will, then I would feel comfortable with the upgrade.

For the record, I am not a hater. See the thing is. I use Logic, because I adore it. If I was a hater I would have switched over to something else right after 8. I do think Logic 8 was thee single best Logic update. It got me back into Logic.

I just want to know before dropping $200 that any issues I have been having will be resolved. See I would be upgrading to 9 for this reason. I want a running version of Logic over any new added features.


Also this release seem to come off the heals of a large amount of DAW updates over the past few months, and I worry that maybe Apple did not take the time with it. I mean One day there was Logic 8.02, with no talk about nothing, then all of a sudden. Logic 9.


I hear that. Live is THE performance tool on the market. Fair enough, Mainstage 2 will enable you to use Logic environments in Live if that's your thing... but I still reckon Live is better.

Which is why on Monday I'm buying Live 8! I might think about Logic 9 nearer xmas or something.

JC

Some people think it is over kill to have both Logic and Live. However Live has been labeled "The best companion DAW for your main DAW" by Future Music. I can not wait to get Live 8(I am currently on 5), I am really looking into the APC40 aswell. That would be a killer set up. Maybe I could even experiment with rewiring Logic straight into Live for live shows.

seventeen
Jul 26, 2009, 12:17 PM
I'm still using Logic 7.

I tried out logic 8 but could never get it to interact with ReWire very well, which is often integral to what I do, so I went back to Logic 7 which I know by heart and didnt have to figure out a new UI.

The new plugins sound like they'd be fun to play with. But do these things actually really work as well as they make it out to? Typically, no. I understand that not everyone has a bunch of classic amps and effects pedals laying around at their disposal, I dont either. But I've invested in the amps and effects that I like and use them every day.

I also spend a lot of time playing a keys rig for a group and perform regularly, so the mainstage stuff sounds interesting. But then again, is this anything I cant do with a MIDI controller and Reason, which I already have and use?

Typically, I like to go by the "if you want what your playing to sound like a rhodes, buy a rhodes." But I understand this often isnt practical for full sized pianos and/or organs for the band on the road. However, the Abbey Road Keyboard Refill for Reason has an incredible Organ patch on it, and I use it live all the time.

jedoyle
Jul 26, 2009, 01:20 PM
Have the keyboard shortcuts changed at all, or are they the same as in Logic 8?

joe.cavers
Jul 26, 2009, 04:43 PM
Some people think it is over kill to have both Logic and Live However Live has been labeled "The best companion DAW for your main DAW" by Future Music. I can not wait to get Live 8(I am currently on 5), I am really looking into the APC40 aswell. That would be a killer set up. Maybe I could even experiment with rewiring Logic straight into Live for live shows.

Ha ha mate, I'm in EXACTLY the same boat. Just bought Suite 8 this evening, APC is next on my list but Logic is still my main music/sound writing DAW.

Could NOT be any more excited than I am right now, just waiting on Ableton verifying my student status :)

JC

Freis968
Jul 26, 2009, 09:27 PM
So far, so good! It installed just fine after about 3 hours of popping in disc after disc after disc after disc after disc...whew!

Just think if Jobs believed in BluRay they could have fit all of that data on one 50GB BluRay disc and I could have sat on the couch in peace rather than having to come in and check on the progress every 30 mins or so.

I must say that I give Apple kudos for not including all of that printed matter. The box for Logic 9 is about 1/5th the size of the HUGE box that Logic 8 came in. I actually never even read the books that came with 8 and I kept thinking/hoping that they would do away with all of that waste!

Anyway, the upgrade install went just fine and I spot checked some of my projects and they were just fine. I will dig deeper into the guts within the week.

seisend
Jul 27, 2009, 03:07 AM
For those who bought Logic Studio 8 in June or so, Apple gave Logic Studio 8 for free for those who bought Logic 7 in 2007 a month earlier or so. Maybe you can get a free copy of Logic Studio 9 or for a very low price !

Check it out !

I really love Logic and I'm very excited about Logic 9 and Mainstage 2. I also never had serious problems. Only with external plugins. Logic Studio is perfect for what I do.

deej999
Jul 27, 2009, 07:33 PM
I'm still waiting for my copy. Delayed postal service :(

Saw these free overview vids of logic 9 and it's making the waiting harder!
http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/logicfirstlook

deej

oban14
Jul 27, 2009, 07:42 PM
I think it's a good update. Love the new pedalboard and some of the other features. Should probably be 8.5, however...

and the big negative, no printed manuals! :mad:

synth3tik
Jul 28, 2009, 02:38 AM
Watching the videos I do love the smaller things like advance quantize and the channel strip naming.

deej999
Jul 28, 2009, 12:56 PM
Watching the videos I do love the smaller things like advance quantize and the channel strip naming.

Yes, the small details will make a big difference, like the new Key focus. I like the track and project notes. Amazing that web links work from the notes, and notes can be viewed and edited in Mixer view!

pooryou
Jul 29, 2009, 05:37 PM
I'm still waiting for my copy. Delayed postal service :(

Saw these free overview vids of logic 9 and it's making the waiting harder!
http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/logicfirstlook

deej

Tried to watch the video but I had to turn it off after about 2 minutes.
Guy sounds like he is talking to a bunch of toddlers...wtf?

seisend
Jul 30, 2009, 02:48 AM
I miss the printed manuals too. Of course are they in pdf on the mac. But I use the printed manuals quiet sometimes with Logic 8....

Apple saves there a lot of money too, and the price of Logic is the same. Don't know about that...

Johns12
Jul 31, 2009, 11:29 AM
I am disappointed about not having the manuals and not having a PDF version included. It makes looking up information when away from the computer, and searching for specific info, difficult.

myca
Jul 31, 2009, 11:56 AM
I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow, as I've finally finished some projects in Logic 7, and I only got around to using Logic 8 live, i felt so much more comfortable not having to take the dongle on stage.

I will be a little disappointed that there are no longer printed manuals, as I found the ones i had for version 6, 7 and 8 pretty handy for a quick reference when I'd forgotten how to do something.

Having used Pro Tools 7.4 and more recently 8 a lot at work I'll be interested how Logic 9 holds up, as there are a few features I use in Pro Tools that I'd love to see in Logic.

Also of note, does anyone know if STP3 can actually be used as a wave editor without blowing your speakers/deafening you now, that bug in STP2 was unforgivable, and it was noted nearly two years ago without a fix. Previewing a mono file with any FX on there would cause mayhem, and possibly hearing damage for those who don't know the bug. If not I'm still gonna have to keep XP running for Sound Forge 8.

In fact now that I think of it, that STP2 bug cost me a pair of really nice Sennheiser headphones, I should really sue Apple and get them to buy me a new pair, but I should be grateful that it didn't blow my tweeters or cause any hearing damage though.

preppyclubguy
Aug 11, 2009, 02:05 PM
i just started using logic pro 9 last week and it doesnt seem to be to much different then 8 a few new features and is expecially good if you work with allot of audio files.. is it worth the money to upgrade from 8 I would say yet cause the upgrade is cheap once you learn how to use all the new features your workflow will increase dramatically

pooryou
Aug 11, 2009, 02:40 PM
They really need to provide at minimum a PDF manual. This is a problem for me trying to learn the program. :(

Loge
Aug 12, 2009, 02:48 AM
They really need to provide at minimum a PDF manual. This is a problem for me trying to learn the program. :(

They have now made PDF manuals available :)

http://http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/ (http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/)

pooryou
Aug 12, 2009, 01:31 PM
They have now made PDF manuals available :)

http://http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/ (http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/)

Thanks for sharing that!

salientstimulus
Aug 12, 2009, 07:43 PM
Does anybody know if I get the $299 upgrade to go from Logic Express 8 to Logic Studio 9? The product description on Apple's page doesn't really specify whether the upgrade is only for LE9, although I'm hopeful since LE9 hasn't been released yet:)

Also, here's a review I thought was useful (if overwhelmingly positive):
http://www.tweakheadz.com/review_of_logic_studio_9.html

deej999
Aug 15, 2009, 05:14 AM
Thanks for sharing that!

+1 now I properly read the manual in a easy format. PDF Rocks!

deej999
Aug 15, 2009, 05:17 AM
Does anybody know if I get the $299 upgrade to go from Logic Express 8 to Logic Studio 9? The product description on Apple's page doesn't really specify whether the upgrade is only for LE9, although I'm hopeful since LE9 hasn't been released yet:)

Also, here's a review I thought was useful (if overwhelmingly positive):
http://www.tweakheadz.com/review_of_logic_studio_9.html

Thanks for the review.

Yeah it looks like you can uprade from any version of express to Logic studio seeing as they also allow those using big box (pre Logic express 7) to upgrade for the same cost.

Check with your local apple store but it looks fine.

deej

Cromulent
Aug 15, 2009, 12:08 PM
I must say that I give Apple kudos for not including all of that printed matter.

That's a shame. I loved the fact that they came with good quality printed material. Electronic documentation has to be the single most annoying thing in existance, plus it just means I have to print it out myself anyway so it saves nothing really.

J the Ninja
Aug 16, 2009, 12:05 AM
That's a shame. I loved the fact that they came with good quality printed material. Electronic documentation has to be the single most annoying thing in existance, plus it just means I have to print it out myself anyway so it saves nothing really.

To each their own. I hate printed manuals, I much prefer a searchable and easily stored electronic one. Especially for a piece of software, since I'm sitting in front of my computer when I need the manual anyway.

MezicanGangxtah
Aug 16, 2009, 01:06 PM
That's a shame. I loved the fact that they came with good quality printed material. Electronic documentation has to be the single most annoying thing in existance, plus it just means I have to print it out myself anyway so it saves nothing really.

why is it annoying? i applaude apple greatly for finally not including the huge manuals, its way better for the environment and why would you print it out? just use the pdf's.

pooryou
Aug 16, 2009, 04:52 PM
I definitely think printed manuals should be included with a complex piece of professional software like this. As well as a PDF version.

jedoyle
Aug 16, 2009, 06:07 PM
I just find it easier to read a printed manual than read a manual on the screen.

MezicanGangxtah
Aug 17, 2009, 09:16 AM
I just find it easier to read a printed manual than read a manual on the screen.

i see, well i find no difference in it really, but Apple does supply printed manuals for a fee $. i sorta like the idea that you have to pay premium, in order to get a large book of paper, sort of like saying that only those who really will use it and not just throw it away will buy it. Which saves a lot of tree's from the logic users who never even use it.

On the other hand im not sure how much it cost to get said manual from apple, but knowing them its priced on the higher end of the scale :rolleyes:

pooryou
Aug 17, 2009, 03:33 PM
LOL @ 'saving trees' that are grown to produce paper in the first place.

salientstimulus
Aug 18, 2009, 12:53 AM
Just put the order in for the express=>studio upgrade -- I'm really psyched about all the new features (esp flextime) as well as the old (multipressor, samples, waveburner).

I do sorta miss having the hard-copy manual. Sometimes you just pick it up (when you're not working), and discover something cool. But I do see the logic (no pun intended) in leaving it electronic unless someone is willing to pay extra.

It's sort of crazy -- however much the software development costs, the per-unit manufacturing cost is basically negligible:7 DVDs and a pretty little box. They just have to set a price that optimizes buyers*retail price.

seisend
Aug 18, 2009, 02:32 AM
LOL @ 'saving trees' that are grown to produce paper in the first place.

"grown to produce paper in the first place"

WTH ?

Cromulent
Aug 24, 2009, 07:01 AM
why is it annoying? i applaude apple greatly for finally not including the huge manuals, its way better for the environment and why would you print it out? just use the pdf's.

Because I want to use the application while I am reading.

If it is in PDF format I either read or use the application. With printed manuals I can have them open in front of me while I use it.

Joko
Aug 25, 2009, 12:56 PM
Not phased about printed manuals. I just would love to know if 9 fixes the bugs in 8. Seems to me that while 8 was the cheapest Logic to date, it was the buggiest..doesn't leave a good taste.