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mgguy
Jul 24, 2009, 08:56 PM
An Associate Press article (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g4TAbX5fIxkXoj9R_-Uldl6a8jygD99L4PG80 is claiming that Obama has help stock racial tensions for his remarks regarding the arrest of a black professor by a white police officer in Cambridge, MA. Obama has since offered something of an apology for his rush to judgement of the officer's actions. Should Obama stay out of parochial police enforcement cases like this in the future, especially when he doesn't have the facts? Is it fair to say that his comments in this case serve to increase racial tensions as the AP article suggests?

Obama rushes to quell racial uproar he helped fire
By NANCY BENAC (AP) – 33 minutes ago
WASHINGTON — Knocked off stride by a racial uproar he helped stoke, President Barack Obama hastened Friday to tamp down the controversy. Obama, who had said Cambridge, Mass., police "acted stupidly" in arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr., declared the white arresting officer was a good man and invited him and the professor to the White House for a beer.
Obama conceded his words had been ill-chosen, but he stopped short of a public apology. He personally telephoned both Gates and Sgt. James Crowley, hoping to end the rancorous back-and-forth over what had transpired and what Obama had said about it. Trying to lighten the situation, he even commiserated with Crowley about reporters on his lawn.
Hours earlier, a multiracial group of police officers had stood with Crowley in Massachusetts and said the president should apologize.
It was a measure of the nation's keen sensitivities on matters of race that the fallout from a disorderly conduct charge in Massachusetts — and the remarks of America's first black president about it — had mushroomed to such an extent that he felt compelled to make a surprise appearance in the White House briefing room to try to put the matter to rest. The blowup had dominated national attention just as Obama was trying to marshal public pressure to get Congress to push through health care overhaul legislation — and as polls showed growing doubts about his performance.
"This has been ratcheting up, and I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up," Obama said of the racial controversy. "I want to make clear that in my choice of words, I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department and Sgt. Crowley specifically. And I could've calibrated those words differently."
The president did not back down from his contention that police had overreacted by arresting the Harvard professor for disorderly conduct after coming to his home to investigate a possible break-in. He added, though, that he thought Gates, too, had overreacted to the police who questioned him. The charge has been dropped.
Obama stirred up a hornet's nest when he said at a prime-time news conference this week that Cambridge police had "acted stupidly" by arresting Gates, a friend of the president's. Still, Obama said Friday he didn't regret stepping into the controversy and hoped the matter would end up being a "teachable moment" for the nation.
"The fact that this has garnered so much attention, I think, is testimony to the fact that these are issues that are still very sensitive here in America," Obama said.
Obama wryly took note of the distraction from his legislative efforts.
"I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody's been paying much attention to health care," the president said.
Obama, who has come under intense criticism from police organizations, said he had called Crowley to clear the air, and said the conversation confirmed his belief that the sergeant is an "outstanding police officer and a good man."
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs refused to say whether Obama had apologized to Crowley.
Asked repeatedly about that, Gibbs said: "If the president doesn't want to characterize it in a conversation that he hates having with you all, I'm not going to get ahead of him."
The story had taken on a life of its own, and the White House scrambled to keep up.
Gibbs said just Friday morning that the president had probably said most of what he was going to say, and that the only problem was media "obsession."
Hours later, Obama showed up to try to put the issue to rest.
There were signs both that Obama's statement had helped to ease tensions and that his critics were not about to let that be the end of it: A trio of Massachusetts police organizations issued a statement thanking the president for his "willingness to reconsider his remarks." And a Republican congressman from Michigan, Thaddeus McCotter, said he would introduce a House resolution calling on Obama to apologize to Crowley. The statement said Crowley was "profoundly grateful" Obama was trying to resolve the situation.
Obama tried to lighten his tone in his public remarks about his phone conversation with Crowley.
He said the police officer "wanted to find out if there was a way of getting the press off his lawn."
"I informed him that I can't get the press off my lawn," Obama joked.
In his conversation with Gates, aides said, Obama and the professor had spoken about the president's statement to the press and his conversation with Crowley.
The case began on Monday, when word broke that Gates, 58, had been arrested five days earlier at the two-story home he rents from Harvard.
Supporters including Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson called the arrest an outrageous act of racial profiling. Public interest increased when a photograph surfaced of the handcuffed Gates being escorted off his porch amid three officers, two white and one black.
Cambridge police moved to drop the disorderly conduct charge on Tuesday — without apology, but calling the case "regrettable."
That didn't end the national debate: Some said Gates was responsible for his own arrest because of his response to Crowley, while others said Gates was justified to yell at the officer.
Obama's criticism of the police only added fuel to the racial debate.
Meanwhile, the police union and fellow officers, black and white, rallied around Crowley, a decorated officer who in 1993 tried to give lifesaving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to Reggie Lewis, a black Boston Celtics player who collapsed at practice. Lewis could not be revived.
Crowley, 42, had been selected to be a police academy instructor on how to avoid racial profiling.
A multiracial group of officers and union officials stood with Crowley on Friday at a news conference to show support and to ask Obama and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, to apologize for their comments. Patrick had called Gates' arrest "every black man's nightmare."
Obama's take on the situation: "My sense is you've got two good people in a circumstance in which neither of them were able to resolve the incident in a way that it should have been resolved."
Democratic activists around the country were hopeful the president's latest remarks would quell the uproar.
"Let's concentrate on the business at hand — fixing the economy and health care for everybody," said Florida state Rep. Luis Garcia, a vice chair of the state Democratic Party.
In Michigan, 19-year-old Mitchell Rivard, the president of the Michigan State University College Democrats, expressed hope the controversy would indeed be a learning experience for the country.
"I think it's going to make people talk about race relations around the United States and in their hometowns," Rivard said. "This will be something that people are going to talk about across the nation in terms of how we can have better race relations."
Associated Press writers Bob Salsberg in Cambridge, Mass., Charles Babington, Ben Feller and Mary Clare Jalonick in Washington, Brendan Farrington in Tallahassee, Fla., and Tim Martin in Lansing, Mich., contributed to this report.
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.



awmazz
Jul 24, 2009, 10:31 PM
Even I know the joke about the black guy who gets stopped in his car and his first thought is "what did someone who looks like me just do?".

Profiling is alive and well and is part of the technique of every police force around the world. The FBI even has professional profilers. Any talk of this:

Crowley, 42, had been selected to be a police academy instructor on how to avoid racial profiling.

is just publicity nonsense horse crap. Avoiding profiling (racial, gender, cultural, socio-economic or any other) means avoiding police work and not doing their job. Because that's how they work. And often tragically in great error. It's how the 9/11 hijackers avoided detection, by masking their profile - dressing well and flying first class. It applies right down to a car thief wearing a suit and tie stealing a car in a crowded car park with alarm blaring and nobody paying the slightest heed.

The day a gay black serial killer can receive police assistance to return his drugged and naked fleeing victim to him like they did with Jeffrey Dahmer, then there will no longer be any profiling. But first the cops would have to be rewarded and promoted to make the situation the same [from wiki]:

The two officers appealed their termination and were reinstated with back pay. They were named officers of the year by the police union for fighting a "righteous" battle to regain their jobs. Balcerzak was later elected president of the Milwaukee Police Association in May 2005.

If I were that professor, I would have been even angrier, because I have the privilege of being able to be even angrier because I'm European not African. He showed remarkable restraint for a lifetime of constant profiling which snapped with a final straw at his own home where after years of achievement he believed he had at least a right to be his own man, instead of a just profile.

mgguy
Jul 24, 2009, 10:50 PM
The officer didn't profile professor Gates. He was responding to a call from one of Gates' neighbors requesting an investigation of a suspected burglary taking place by Gates. Gates had no reason to get angry at the officer, who was just doing his job. As I understand it, it was Gates that started getting hostile and making allegations about being treated in a racist manner, which is a stereotype of white police officers. A black officer who witnessed the events confirmed the white officer's statement of the content and sequence of the exchanges between the white officer and Gates. Obama basically repeated the same stereotype of the officer by judging the officer's actions to be "stupid" without knowing the facts. To his credit Obama later corrected himself and apologied to the officer and the Cambridge police force for his rush to judgement. However, Obama still has to be held accountable for meddling in a trivial local police matter in the first place. If nothing else, he has diverted attention away from his health care reform initiative (though if I were a cynic I might say that he did it purposefully because his press conference was not received well by many). This clearly was a bad move by Obama that has made him look bad and may drive his approval rating down even further in the polls.

opinioncircle
Jul 25, 2009, 09:23 AM
I don't think Obama's answer was the best. However I think that he showed he got some balls and that's pretty good.

leekohler
Jul 25, 2009, 10:45 AM
I don't think Obama's answer was the best. However I think that he showed he got some balls and that's pretty good.

Exactly- and he had the balls to admit he made a mistake. We haven't had that for 8 years, and it's damn refreshing to hear.

mgguy
Jul 25, 2009, 11:33 AM
He did admit he made a mistake, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he made the mistake and it was not good. The important question is why he made the mistake in the first place. Why his rush to judgement in such a local matter as this? Are we beginning to see signs of his racial preferences and favoritism, or was he just sticking up for a friend? Either way, it wasn't good from the standpoint of the police officer who received Obama's criticism.

spaceboots06
Jul 25, 2009, 11:35 AM
Exactly- and he had the balls to admit he made a mistake. We haven't had that for 8 years, and it's damn refreshing to hear.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=bush+admits+mistake&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Shivetya
Jul 25, 2009, 11:42 AM
Exactly- and he had the balls to admit he made a mistake. We haven't had that for 8 years, and it's damn refreshing to hear.

oh bull puckey.


He only apologized when he got backed into a corner. He blew it BIG TIME.

What change? Hell Obama has kept Bush's worst policies and then decided that Bush's overspending wasn't sufficient and mortgaged the house for a shiny car.

He needs to realize the campaign time is over and its time to be at work. I wonder if that comment of his was on the teleprompter or off the cuff? If the first then there are some serious idiots in the White House, if the second, well that limits the choices.

leekohler
Jul 25, 2009, 11:43 AM
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=bush+admits+mistake&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Did us no good since he couldn't admit them when he could have done something about them. Apologizing at the end of your term for all the s*** you ********* up is like a serial killer begging god for forgiveness right before he dies. It's not sincere.

thegoldenmackid
Jul 25, 2009, 11:46 AM
Umm no, it didn't. The arresting of the professor did, because that was the professor's intent. Sadly, Obama is going to be exempt from creating racial tensions solely because of his race for most of America. The far right will clearly take any chance they have, but, the majority will solely excuse because of his race.

leekohler
Jul 25, 2009, 12:25 PM
Umm no, it didn't. The arresting of the professor did, because that was the professor's intent. Sadly, Obama is going to be exempt from creating racial tensions solely because of his race for most of America. The far right will clearly take any chance they have, but, the majority will solely excuse because of his race.

Wait a sec, the professor intended to get arrested? Seriously?

oh bull puckey.


He only apologized when he got backed into a corner. He blew it BIG TIME.

What change? Hell Obama has kept Bush's worst policies and then decided that Bush's overspending wasn't sufficient and mortgaged the house for a shiny car.

He needs to realize the campaign time is over and its time to be at work. I wonder if that comment of his was on the teleprompter or off the cuff? If the first then there are some serious idiots in the White House, if the second, well that limits the choices.

One of these days you'll post in a serious non-hysterical manner that warrants a reply. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long time for that.

thegoldenmackid
Jul 25, 2009, 12:28 PM
Wait a sec, the professor intended to get arrested? Seriously?

Well, sorta. The professor clearly knew at some point that he was going to cause a large problem, possibly to shed light on the situation. Even if he was not arrested, I'm sure he would have spoke about it afterwards.

ski2moro
Jul 25, 2009, 01:16 PM
I apologize for the long post. Skip over it if you want to.

I had a similar run in with the police, but the President didn't talk about me on national TV.

The night before I got married, my neighbor called the police because they thought someone was stealing a car at my house.

A little background: My wife-to-be was house-sitting over the winter for people who were in Florida. The 7200 sq. ft. house was in an exclusive neighborhood with 5+ acre wooded lots. While driving to the city where the wedding was taking place, my practically new car broke down 300 miles away. Part of the roadside service was that I could rent a car to continue my trip, and mine was to be delivered to me at my destination.

Although the towing company had promised to be there by early evening, it was after midnight. We had 11 wedding guests and a dog in the sleeping in the house, and I was pacing and calling the road service to get updates on the driver’s location. When they finally arrived at 1:00AM, they offloaded the car with lots of rattling of chains while the diesel truck idled.

The neighbor heard it and thought they were STEALING the car, not dropping it off, and called the police.

I didn’t know that the police were waiting until the tow truck left, and they swooped into the driveway. Another police unit had stopped the tow truck away from the scene. I stood there in my old sweats, obviously not a resident of this exclusive community.

The police demanded to see my ID, which was in the house. As far as they were concerned, I was a suspect and was treated as such. Of course the car was still in the driveway, but the police thought it was an aborted theft. I had to show my ID, which had a different address than the house where I was, and the car registration.

Up until this point, my run-in with the police was the same as Mr. Harvard Professor. My story has a much different ending.

Although I was tired and grumpy, I stayed polite. If I had given the police a bunch of sh_t, I might have been treated differently, but I remained courteous and cooperative. After checking IDs and registration, and confirming my story with the tow truck driver’s story, everyone went on their way.

It became the-story-about-the-night-before-I got-married, not a racial incident. The police were just responding to a concerned neighbor’s call. It wasn’t because I “didn’t belong” in the neighborhood.

I went to see the neighbor the next day, and we had a good laugh, although I think she was embarrassed. She sent us a nice wedding gift $$$$, too.

People, get over yourselves. It’s not always about profiling. The police were just doing their job.

Peace
Jul 25, 2009, 01:20 PM
I personally believe Obama told it like it is and I salute him for it. He should have never backed down to political pressure.

It was a refreshing change to see a President tell it like it really is.

thegoldenmackid
Jul 25, 2009, 01:27 PM
I personally believe Obama told it like it is and I salute him for it. He should have never backed down to political pressure.

It was a refreshing change to see a President tell it like it really is.

I agree, it's unfortunate that he backed down from something he believed in. To say that racial profiling doesn't go on is a joke, it's legal. There is another thread about this where it's been discussed. I do however think that the professor, in trying to bring attention to this issue, made it a larger issue.

mgguy
Jul 25, 2009, 01:40 PM
I personally believe Obama told it like it is and I salute him for it. He should have never backed down to political pressure.

It was a refreshing change to see a President tell it like it really is.

What do you mean "like it is?" It wasn't like you seem to be suggesting. The officer wasn't profiling and it was the professor who became belligerent for no reason other than his own prejudices. If anything, Obama should condemn the professor's slandering the white officer by calling him racist and saying the officer was using racial profiling when all he was doing was responding to a call from the professor's neighbor. The problem is that Obama did not "tell it like it really is," but rather rushed to racially-based judgement and told it like it really wasn't. Hence, the public backlash and his moving quick to try and smooth over his mistake.

Peace
Jul 25, 2009, 01:48 PM
What do you mean "like it is?" It wasn't like you seem to be suggesting. The officer wasn't profiling and it was the professor who became belligerent for no reason other than his own prejudices. If anything, Obama should condemn the professor's slandering the white officer by calling him racist and saying the officer was using racial profiling when all he was doing was responding to a call from the professor's neighbor. The problem is that Obama did not "tell it like it really is," but rather rushed to racially-based judgement and told it like it really wasn't. Hence, the public backlash and his moving quick to try and smooth over his mistake.

You know about as much as I do about the incident.

enuf said.

mgguy
Jul 25, 2009, 01:56 PM
You know about as much as I do about the incident.

enuf said.

No, I think I know a lot more about the incident than you do, as you apparently haven't read the statements from the involved parties. Even the professor is not denying that the officer was right in investigating the situation, and has not denied getting angry, raising his voice, denigrating the officer's mother, and generally acting in a hostile manner.

You apparently don't think Obama is sincere in admitting he prejudged the officer without knowing all the facts. Are you saying that Obama is now lying about it for political reasons? My guess is that the reason he has backed off is that he realizes the professor may not look so good if the tapes of his loud-mouthing are released to the media, which they almost certainly will be.

Desertrat
Jul 25, 2009, 04:25 PM
Peace, the big problem here is that Obama told it like it wasn't.

There was no profiling. Period. Exclamation point. None.

The cops did not "act stupidly". They performed as trained and within the law. They were sent to the scene of a reported crime. As they arrived they had no way of knowing that there was not a burglar present--and burglars are not always unarmed. Until a person has identified himself as the legal resident of the premises, he is a criminal suspect. As such it behooves him to remain courteous and polite and not create a problem with people who are already concerned about possible danger.

If the prof hadn't gotten mouthy and loud enough to bring neighbors out of doors, he would not have been arrested for creating a disturbance.

Obama ran his mouth without knowing what happened and wrongly brought profiling into the deal when he should have kept his silly mouth shut.

And how does Obama know the cop likes beer? Stereotyping, maybe?

'Rat

Macky-Mac
Jul 25, 2009, 04:34 PM
...And how does Obama know the cop likes beer? Stereotyping, maybe?

'Rat

silly you! all cops like beer! :rolleyes: seriously though, did Obama actually say all cops like beer or that this guy must like beer since he's a cop? or did you just make that part up so you could accuse him of stereotyping?

edit; on the other hand.......if he asked the cop to stop by to discuss the situation over donuts then maybe you would have had a real point.......... :p

ski2moro
Jul 25, 2009, 06:29 PM
If I recall correctly, Obama used that expression "having a beer together" several times when he wants to convey the idea of 2 regular guys sitting down having a regular conversation without political ideology getting in the way.

.Andy
Jul 25, 2009, 06:30 PM
If I recall correctly, Obama used that expression "having a beer together" several times when he wants to convey the idea of 2 regular guys sitting down having a regular conversation without political ideology getting in the way.
This was it indeed. However if you're a partisan hack you'll do anything to try and paint it in a negative light.

benzslrpee
Jul 26, 2009, 12:03 AM
oh you mean like how that Harvard prof just had to pull the race card and turn a routine check into some media circus? like that? yes?

This was it indeed. However if you're a partisan hack you'll do anything to try and paint it in a negative light.

emt1
Jul 26, 2009, 12:23 AM
Obama never should have opened his mouth regarding this incident. Completely inappropriate.

yg17
Jul 26, 2009, 12:24 AM
silly you! all cops like beer! :rolleyes: seriously though, did Obama actually say all cops like beer or that this guy must like beer since he's a cop? or did you just make that part up so you could accuse him of stereotyping?

edit; on the other hand.......if he asked the cop to stop by to discuss the situation over donuts then maybe you would have had a real point.......... :p

Yeah, there'd be a stereotyping problem if they were going to discuss it over some fried chicken and donuts :D

.Andy
Jul 26, 2009, 05:43 AM
oh you mean like how that Harvard prof just had to pull the race card and turn a routine check into some media circus? like that? yes?
No. Not like that at all. I don't care for any of the individuals involved in this whatsoever nor am I particularly interested.

What obama was proposing was obviously nothing more than a stunt to try and bring everyone in this incident together and be horribly blokey and relaxed in the process. You can attack it for cynical political posturing and a photo opportunity (which it was) but not much more. Cries of him negatively stereotyping police by offering one a beer is inane.

CorvusCamenarum
Jul 26, 2009, 07:06 AM
It seems the charges have been dropped (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/education/20129361/detail.html). I guess Gates deserves special treatment after all.

Full of Win
Jul 26, 2009, 12:40 PM
Insofar as he exposed his own latent racism, when he blamed the white guy based on limited evidence (by his own admission), then yes.

Macky-Mac
Jul 26, 2009, 03:58 PM
......And how does Obama know the cop likes beer? Stereotyping, maybe?

'Rat

indeed, how did Obama know the cop likes beer?

Well it turns out that the cop was sitting in a bar having a beer when Obama called.......

Sgt. James Crowley was having a burger and a Blue Moon beer in Tommy Doyle’s Irish Pub when his cell phone rang.

The Cambridge cop spoke for a moment and hung up looking altogether amazed.

“His jaw dropped,” recalled Peter Woodman, a co-owner of the Kendall Square pub and two others of the same name. “He said, ‘Jesus Christ, you'll never guess who’s going to ring me.’”

Word quickly spread through Friday’s lunchtime crowd that White House press secretary Robert Gibbs had just telephoned Crowley to say President Obama would be calling him..... turns Obama likes Blue Moon beer too (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/07/26/2009-07-26_hello_sgt_crowley_its_the_president.html)