Final Cut Studio 3 works on PowerPC, despite what Apple say.

[Mr-Stabby]

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I know immediately that people are going to say "Duhh look at the System Requirements, it says it needs an 'Intel Processor' "

But having just purchased FCS3 for my Intel machine, I discovered according to the 'Get Info' tab, Final Cut 7 and all the other FCS3 apps are 'Universal'.

Screenshot here:

http://www.bpirozzolo.com/FCP1.jpg

I loaded up FCP using 'Rosetta' and it said that FCP7 requires a G5 processor, and you have a G4. Don't know why it said that, but it seems to suggest FCP7 will work on a G5.

Again screenshot here:

http://www.bpirozzolo.com/FCP2.jpg


The Info PList file in FCP7 which most people use to hack FCP to work on machines that don't meet requirements by default has the G4 500mhz as a minimum processor.

Unfortunately i don't have any PowerPC machines to hand to test whether a PowerPC will actually load the app.

Does anyone actually know for sure?

[huntercr]

I know immediately that people are going to say "Duhh look at the System Requirements, it says it needs an 'Intel Processor' "

But having just purchased FCS3 for my Intel machine, I discovered according to the 'Get Info' tab, Final Cut 7 and all the other FCS3 apps are 'Universal'.
[...]

Unfortunately i don't have any PowerPC machines to hand to test whether a PowerPC will actually load the app.

Does anyone actually know for sure?

I really hope this is the case! Unfortunately I don't have the money to spend just to find out. Anyone else have it already and have their G5 Quad processor sitting around doing nothing? :)

[the vj]

I just sold my quad G5 to a friend who has a music studio, I told him that "Apple will always have suppor for Logic on G5", that "the quad G5 can handle Logic just fine". Then Logic came up with this new version 2 days later "Intel only"... I sold that quad G5 minutes before. :confused:

[MovieCutter]

I just sold my quad G5 to a friend who has a music studio, I told him that "Apple will always have suppor for Logic on G5", that "the quad G5 can handle Logic just fine". Then Logic came up with this new version 2 days later "Intel only"... I sold that quad G5 minutes before. :confused:

You told someone Apple will always support a PowerPC product? And he believed that? I don't know who deserves it more, you or him....

[Chundles]

I just sold my quad G5 to a friend who has a music studio, I told him that "Apple will always have suppor for Logic on G5", that "the quad G5 can handle Logic just fine". Then Logic came up with this new version 2 days later "Intel only"... I sold that quad G5 minutes before. :confused:

Well that was an unfortunate mistake on your behalf.

[LethalWolfe]

I read over at the COW that someone tried to install it on a G5 and the installer said no go when it didn't detect an intel chip. Someone might be able to hack a file though and get it to install on a G5. Even if installs though there's no guarantee that it will operate properly.


Lethal

[Mr-Stabby]

Yeah i'm 'Ben Pirouet' on CreativeCow.

Like i said over there, i can confirm that Final Cut Studio 3 does indeed work on PowerPC without issue (so far), though not all models which i'll go into detail on later. Though i had to use 'Pacifist' to install it, as the main installers really did not want me to install it. At this point i'm not sure why.


I've checked all the components and so far the only one that doesn't appear to be 'Universal' is AVC-Intra support. Even the new features i've tested so far like the new speed feature in FCP seem to work ok.

I'm going to be doing some extensive testing and posting my results. This is a big deal for me, as we have a few PowerPC machines that i'd rather not get rid of at this point.

[Sayer]

Just FYI: under Rosetta the PowerPC processor is equivalent to a G4. Its emulation, not a real CPU, obviously, and thus limited to a PowerPC G4's functionality.

And if you have problems with it on a real G5, and try to get help from Apple support, they will most likely tell you its not supported on a PowerPC so tough.

[Mr-Stabby]

Right some more details for you's:

I managed to install the software using the 'Pacifist' app to bypass the official Apple installer software and therefore the System Requirement check and the software (so far) works without issue. I'm not even hacking the software itself, The software itself is completely untouched. This is not like what some people do with FCP6 and hack the program itself to make it work with machines that don't have Quartz Extreme or what have you. This version of FCS3 was clearly designed to work on PowerPC machines, at least to some extent. From what i'm observing, it looks as though the Intel only decision was made right at the last minute.

When i loaded FCP7 on an older 1.9ghz iMac G5 machine to test it, it said FCP required a 2ghz G5 processor, and this box was new, it didn't look like the box you got on FCP6 when you were missing a required hardware feature. So FCP7 clearly is designed to work on a G5 processor. FCP6 needed a 1.25ghz G4 Processor. So it's not as if it's an old requirement stamp that has been left in the programming.

As you'll see from these pictures below, new features that i've tried seem to work too. Admittedly i haven't tried every single feature, but so far i've had nothing but success. Even Motion 4 which is very processor and GPU heavy actually works faster than Motion 3 did. I checked all the components and apps that installed with the software and they are all 'Universal', with the exception of AVC-Intra support which is an 'Intel' only build.

Some screenshots here:

http://www.bpirozzolo.com/powerpcmotion.jpg - The new features of Motion like Reflections, shadows, framing camera support and depth of field all work perfectly, and on our G5 PowerMacs with the 256mb Nvidia GPUs work smoothly and efficiently.

http://www.bpirozzolo.com/powerpcfcp.jpg - FCP7 as you can see loads fine, new features like the new speed tools work without problems. I outputted the FCP timeline display via a Formac box to a studio monitor, all with no issues.

http://www.bpirozzolo.com/powerPCSTP.jpg - New features in Soundtrack Pro work very well too.

So what doesn't work? I'm not stupid as to think that i KNOW that everything is going to work, but from the testing i did today everything seems to work very well.

If you're like me and have 30 Power Mac G5 DP2.5ghz machines at work which would be ridiculously expensive to replace AND some Intels which you're going to buy FCS3 for anyway, you might as well at least TRY and get it to work on the machines. If it produces problems at a later date then fine, replace them. Having a dual economy of FCP6 and FCP7 would be useless for us, so if there's a possibility of FCP7 working on PowerPC, then i'm taking it! Better that than a £50k+ hardware spend thank you!

[Doctor Q]

Thanks, Mr-Stabby. You may have saved people some money!

[Dr.Pants]

Thanks, Mr-Stabby. You may have saved people some money!

Indeed! Thank you Mr-Stabby!

And of course the Intel-only decision was made at the last minute - force everybody to buy a new machine. Too bad that the release uses Universal :rolleyes:

[Mr-Stabby]

Indeed! Thank you Mr-Stabby!

And of course the Intel-only decision was made at the last minute - force everybody to buy a new machine. Too bad that the release uses Universal :rolleyes:

Just need to reiterate though, that you do need to use 'Pacifist' to get it to install. Therefore in a way you are hacking the software to get it to work despite it's apparently universal binary.

Therefore don't assume everything will work on your machine once you've managed to get it installed, i've been lucky so far and everything works, but other people may not be so lucky.

[huntercr]

Indeed! Thank you Mr-Stabby!

And of course the Intel-only decision was made at the last minute - force everybody to buy a new machine. Too bad that the release uses Universal :rolleyes:

I'm a G5 owner so I'm disappointed and of course pleased there's a workaround now, but I think this was done for the right reasons...Snow Leopard is coming out in 90 days. I'm sure there's a mandate to have all new software be targeted for systems that can run Snow Leopard.

iPhone development is intel only now too ( though you can hack it as well )

It's inevitable that something like this would happen eventually.

[cwright]

I was eager to upgrade so I went ahead and installed Final Cut Studio 3 on my Dual 2Ghz PowerPC G5 using the Pacifist workaround, while in the middle of a project started on Final Cut Pro 6. Now I'm having some problems with the video playback on the project. I have a backup of my project so I can go back to FCP6 if needed, but I'm hoping there's a quick fix.

All my video was shot in 720p60 with the Panasonic HVX200. When I updated the project file to FCP7, all of a sudden all of my video in the timeline showed that it needed a render. So I rendered some of it, and when it plays it's very blurry and distorted. You can place the playhead anywhere and the freeze frame is clear, but as soon as you play, it becomes distorted again.

I tried exporting a couple seconds of footage to a Quicktime file. It played just fine in Quicktime, but when opening the clip in FCP7, it's distorted again. So the footage is fine... appears to be a Final Cut playback problem.

Is this just a glitch with it running on a PowerPC machine? Anyone else having similar problems?

Also - just to make sure I didn't have an issue with my timeline... I opened a new project and timeline and dropped an HD clip into the timeline and let FCP change the timeline settings to best suit the clip. Sure enough, it still shows that it needs to render, and it still becomes blurry when playing.

Any ideas?

[Mr-Stabby]

Is the 'RT Extreme' setting set to 'low' by any chance? That just sounds like it's playing it back in low quality. Perhaps the 'RT Extreme' profiling set it to low by default.

[cwright]

Is the 'RT Extreme' setting set to 'low' by any chance? That just sounds like it's playing it back in low quality. Perhaps the 'RT Extreme' profiling set it to low by default.

Yea that's the problem, but I can't fix it! 'Dynamic' and 'Low' are my only options under the 'RT Extreme' menu. 'High' and 'Medium' are grayed out. I can't imagine that my computer is not fast enough to play it back full quality with FCP7 when it worked perfectly fine under FCP6. :mad:

If anyone happens to know of a workaround for this particular issue, I'd like to know!

[huntercr]

Yea that's the problem, but I can't fix it! 'Dynamic' and 'Low' are my only options under the 'RT Extreme' menu. 'High' and 'Medium' are grayed out. I can't imagine that my computer is not fast enough to play it back full quality with FCP7 when it worked perfectly fine under FCP6. :mad:

If anyone happens to know of a workaround for this particular issue, I'd like to know!

What video card do you have?

Also I just learned about this...

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/fcp_internal_tools_chappell.html

It might be valuable to look and see what each of these thinks is going on with your system's performance

[cwright]

What video card do you have?

I upgraded the stock video card to an X800XT w/256mb RAM a couple years ago, but I never had playback issues with the original card either.

[huntercr]

I upgraded the stock video card to an X800XT w/256mb RAM a couple years ago, but I never had playback issues with the original card either.

I just learned about the FCP Internal tools... this is a treasure trove of a tool. Maybe you might want to run some of these tests ( especially the RT extreme "Auto Profile" ) and see what the data gives you.

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage..._chappell.html

[cwright]

I just learned about the FCP Internal tools... this is a treasure trove of a tool. Maybe you might want to run some of these tests ( especially the RT extreme "Auto Profile" ) and see what the data gives you.

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage..._chappell.html

Interesting, thanks! I'll see what I can do with it

[fr4nkx]

hi, I've installed fcs 3 on a dual g5 (leopard) through pacifist but I cannot launch any application 'cause the system say "the application doesn't work with this architecture" (something like that, is a translation..)...

I launch pacifist, I load the package installer, pacifist extracts the files then lists all the content, right click on the content and "install".... pacifist verify the files and perform installation - I suppose -

I'm am missing something ?? I ought to do anything else ?!? Is just a combo of bad luck and dumbness (yes, I've bought the upgrade without checking the requirements...)


thank you

Frankx

[fr4nkx]

hi, I've installed fcs 3 on a dual g5 (leopard) through pacifist but I cannot launch any application 'cause the system say "the application doesn't work with this architecture" (something like that, is a translation..)...

I launch pacifist, I load the package installer, pacifist extracts the files then lists all the content, right click on the content and "install".... pacifist verify the files and perform installation - I suppose -

I'm am missing something ?? I ought to do anything else ?!? Is just a combo of bad luck and dumbness (yes, I've bought the upgrade without checking the requirements...)


thank you

Frankx


Solved. The problem was with the *upgrade* installation dvd. I borrowed a non upgrade dvd and all went fine.

Thanks

Frankx

[masht]

I've managed to get FCS3 to install on my G5 Quad using pacifist, but when i try to launch the app is says my machine doesn't have the correct architecture. I also have a 7800GTX 256MB installed which is causing horrific problems with booting in Leopard, but Leopard's fine booting with the stock card, but it has huge scan corruption issues 90% of the time. Just thought the 7800 may be causing issues with FCP7 and its failure to launch. Any help will be greatly appreciated as I can't really afford to buy a new mac at the moment.

[huntercr]

I've managed to get FCS3 to install on my G5 Quad using pacifist, but when i try to launch the app is says my machine doesn't have the correct architecture. I also have a 7800GTX 256MB installed which is causing horrific problems with booting in Leopard, but Leopard's fine booting with the stock card, but it has huge scan corruption issues 90% of the time. Just thought the 7800 may be causing issues with FCP7 and its failure to launch. Any help will be greatly appreciated as I can't really afford to buy a new mac at the moment.

Is your 7800 blessed with a real Apple firmware, or did you apply one of the community patches?

What is your stock card's model? Have you tried putting it back in?

[masht]

The 7800gtx is a PC card that has a rom chip transplanted from a donor mac card, or so i was told by the guy who i bought it from in the states - though i read that a few months later he started ripping people off and not sending cards out after receiving payment, so it may not be true i suppose. The original card was the stock card available at the Quad 3 years ago when I bought it, and when i try to boot with the stock card, nine times out of ten i get vertical lines all along the screen, and only 25% is visible. It has booted without problems using either card on a couple of occasions, but most of the time it freaks out in one way or another. This is driving me mad - I can't believe that a 3 year old machine may need to be replaced!

Thanks
Matt

[masht]

my stock card is an NVIDIA GeForce 6600 256 MB

[Hamish]

I'd like to hear apples official line as to why I should not try this and give my Quad some more life!

[Hamish]

apple 'removed' this thread after I asked a few questions about trying to get this to work,

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9968208#9968208

attmpting to install onto my Quad G5 now to see if it is indeed a usable option

[Hamish]

Despite Apple's attempt to make me consider my perfectly decent G5 Quad Core Obsolete...FCS3 does indeed work on my machine.

the first test:

http://vimeo.com/6049124
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsHptTM9q7A

This is where I'll post any further info on what does or doesn't work based on peoples specific questions:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2112102&tstart=0

[kagamushu]

Solved. The problem was with the *upgrade* installation dvd. I borrowed a non upgrade dvd and all went fine.

Thanks

Frankx

Hello,
i have the same problem. I have an upgrade fcp and followed the steps in pacifist, now i'm getting the "wrong architecture" message.
How did you manage to fix this problem? Did you simply start the entire installation process over again, using a full copy?
thanks

[evil_santa]

I installed form an upgrade disk on my G5 with pacifist with out problem, but i did uninstall the old ver of FCP first using...

http://www.digitalrebellion.com/fcs_remover.htm

[Hamish]

Hey there,

I have built a place to store info on what works/what doesn't work (so far for me everything has but who knows) when installing FCS(2009) on a G5.

http://gackinto5h.com/

It was this forum post here that made me realize this was a possibility, so if anyone else would like to be involved, let me know.

Otherwise I will continue to simply link to this and other related threads directly from the site as a way for people to see your current posts and others results/questions.

basically I just want to build a central FAQs page for anyone wondering how to get this working, and make further use of their G5's which in my opinion are still awesome machines.

Cheers

[Smudo]

Yea that's the problem, but I can't fix it! 'Dynamic' and 'Low' are my only options under the 'RT Extreme' menu. 'High' and 'Medium' are grayed out. I can't imagine that my computer is not fast enough to play it back full quality with FCP7 when it worked perfectly fine under FCP6. :mad:

If anyone happens to know of a workaround for this particular issue, I'd like to know!

Hi there,
first of all: sorry for my bad english.
I have the same Problem with g5 Quad 6 gb Ram & Geforce6600

The good& better RT Settings in the Timeline are grayed out.
I look any hours around in the Final Cut Contents Tree and find a solution for this.

The Problem is: FCP7 can´t detect the correct RT Settings for the Quad ppc Cpu´s and so FCP runs unter lowest RT Quality.

The Solution is very simple.
go in the Final Cut File in the Application Folder(right click and choose Show Package Content)
Then got into the Folder Content/Resources/Non-Localized Settings/FXScripts/Enablers and open the File "RT Software Enabler.txt with TextEdit.

This File gives Final Cut the information about the differnt CPU Types.
And you can see: there is no ppc Support!

Now change in the Line 34 ( i think it was 34) cpuspeed from 2330 to 2500 (for a quad g5) and change in the same line cpu type from "cputtype_x86" to "cputtype_ppc" and from "&& x8664bit" to "&& ppc64bit" (this is on the end of the line.)

When you made this changes and save it, Final Cut think your g5 quad ppc CPU is cpuclass 22. And this is very good!

Restart Final Cut and change your RT Settings in the Timeline to highest!

BTW: i work with this option since 2 Weeks every Day with FCP7 on a ppc without Problems, everything is Working (without AVCIntra)

[Mr-Stabby]

Hi there,
first of all: sorry for my bad english.
I have the same Problem with g5 Quad 6 gb Ram & Geforce6600

The good& better RT Settings in the Timeline are grayed out.
I look any hours around in the Final Cut Contents Tree and find a solution for this.

The Problem is: FCP7 can´t detect the correct RT Settings for the Quad ppc Cpu´s and so FCP runs unter lowest RT Quality.

The Solution is very simple.
go in the Final Cut File in the Application Folder(right click and choose Show Package Content)
Then got into the Folder Content/Resources/Non-Localized Settings/FXScripts/Enablers and open the File "RT Software Enabler.txt with TextEdit.

This File gives Final Cut the information about the differnt CPU Types.
And you can see: there is no ppc Support!

Now change in the Line 34 ( i think it was 34) cpuspeed from 2330 to 2500 (for a quad g5) and change in the same line cpu type from "cputtype_x86" to "cputtype_ppc" and from "&& x8664bit" to "&& ppc64bit" (this is on the end of the line.)

When you made this changes and save it, Final Cut think your g5 quad ppc CPU is cpuclass 22. And this is very good!

Restart Final Cut and change your RT Settings in the Timeline to highest!

BTW: i work with this option since 2 Weeks every Day with FCP7 on a ppc without Problems, everything is Working (without AVCIntra)

Brilliant stuff. Going by your example, i went to a Final Cut Pro 6 workstation and got the same RT Software Enabler text file. This has some proper official PowerPC entries, and so it might make RT work even better to use those. I'll try it on mine and report any changes.

[DunginnLord]

Hey Guys
Good job on this work around! I was hoping you could help me figure out which line to of text to edit for a duel 1.8 G5?

At first FCP wouldn't open because I didn't meet the system requirements, however I tossed out

Contents/resources/MRCheckPro.bundle/MacOS/MRCheckPro

and everything started up with no problems!

Just need help finding the correct line to edit.

Once again, nice work!

[cohenjm]

Hi,
So I used Pacifist per instructions to install FCP, and then also had to follow "Smudo"'s instructions to alter the RT settings so I didn't have to render all my video (I had to edit my "rewrite" as I am running a dual 2.3 ghz, so changed to 2300 instead of 2500 - it works, but i now get a message when i boot FCP that i am running some unallowed enabler setting - anyone has ideas on that, please inform me).

so FCP 7 seems to be running fine after all that, but when i try to go to the new "Share" menu, pick an option, and click on "Submit" - nothing happens. similarly when i go to Compressor, set up an export, and click on "Submit" nothing happens. anyone have any suggestions? i was very geared up to not have to fork over 6k to get a new mac pro to run studio, but i'll be downconverting if i cant compress anything....

Best,
Jeremy:confused:

[cohenjm]

software update, disk utility and a reboot seem to have solved that issue (though if anyone has advice on the RT Manager code, i'd be much obliged).

Thanks!

[ratchy99]

Yeah i'm 'Ben Pirouet' on CreativeCow.

Like i said over there, i can confirm that Final Cut Studio 3 does indeed work on PowerPC without issue (so far), though not all models which i'll go into detail on later. Though i had to use 'Pacifist' to install it, as the main installers really did not want me to install it. At this point i'm not sure why.


Hello, could you give some further instructions on installing with Pacifist. I am receiving errors and I am assuming it is operator error :confused:, so maybe a little guidance would help me figure out what I am doing wrong.

Thanks. :D

[benicf]

Solved. The problem was with the *upgrade* installation dvd. I borrowed a non upgrade dvd and all went fine.

Thanks

Frankx

You said that you had problems with the upgrade DVD. Does anyone could upgrade a G5 from FCS1 ou FCS2 to FCS3 with the upgrade DVD or do we absolutely need a full install to be able to run the installer on PPC ?

Thanks for your help.

[FCPIdol]

I have installed FCS3 with original Upgrade DVDs (using Pacifist) on my G5 Dual 2.7GHz and it's working quite fine. I've got the same Problem as cohenjm
after I've made changes to the RT Software Enabler.txt file. At startup I get the same error message, although the RT settings work. I'm also looking for help, to eliminate this message, it's annoying! Nobody else get this message? Anybody has a solution?
Another problem is, that, by installing with Pacifist, there was no "Final Cut Studio System ID" file, which contains the Serial Key Information.
Usually the File is in the /library/Application Support/ProApps folder.
When I start Final Cut I'm asked to enter the Serial, it works when I type in my original bought Update Serial and the Original Final Cut Studio 1 Key. But no "Final Cut Studio System ID" file is created and when I close and reopen FCP I have to reenter both Serials over again, everytime! :mad:
Can anybody help me on that?
How did you solve this?
Do you have a "Final Cut Studio System ID" file?
You don't have to reenter the Serial everytime you start FCP?
I need some help on that!

[ratchy99]

Please help, I am reading people here using Pacifist to install FCP 7 on a G5, I try to use Pacifist and I get errors like this:

The file “/var/folders/qF/qFg3O7G-E903BEa5EUriwE+++TI/-Tmp-/Pacifist Temp/331/aaf17f2739f542229b5e36c66963a0e0 Contents/6c4cf8b3c6644f38b50eb6445586d3f8 Contents/d023c7958d7c42849045130c05a8c515 Contents/408a7d3354664beda1c5740f8541623b Contents/./Templates.localized/Glass Panes.localized/Glass Panes-Open.NTSC.mov” does not exist.

I must be missing something, if someone who has successfully installed with Pacifist could give me a little help I would appreciate it.

Here is what I have done so far:
I open Pacifist
I open package
I the click install
I get multiple errors like the one noted above


What am I doing wrong?

Thanks.

[FCPIdol]

I got these error messages, too, at first. This happenend because I did not load all of the DVDs with Pacifist (like the Audio Content DVDs)
I just clicked continue and could install Final Cut anyway. You don't neccessarily need those files like "Glass Panes-Open.NTSC.mov"
When you load all of the FCS DVDs with Pacifist, these messages should't appear anymore. At least it worked for me.

[FCPIdol]

I figured out a new workaround to install with the original installer.
I opened the file "FinalCutStudio.dist" which is located on the Install DVD:
Installer/FinalCutStudio.mpkg/Contents/
I edited this file with Xcode.app (I have Apple Developer Tools installed)
and just removed the lines where it says Intel..., saved and burned a new Install DVD.
Now there's no error message anymore and you can use the installer as supposed!
Works perfectly and now I don't have to reenter my Serial everytime I restart :)

[ratchy99]

Hi there,
first of all: sorry for my bad english.
I have the same Problem with g5 Quad 6 gb Ram & Geforce6600

The good& better RT Settings in the Timeline are grayed out.
I look any hours around in the Final Cut Contents Tree and find a solution for this.

The Problem is: FCP7 can´t detect the correct RT Settings for the Quad ppc Cpu´s and so FCP runs unter lowest RT Quality.

The Solution is very simple.
go in the Final Cut File in the Application Folder(right click and choose Show Package Content)
Then got into the Folder Content/Resources/Non-Localized Settings/FXScripts/Enablers and open the File "RT Software Enabler.txt with TextEdit.

This File gives Final Cut the information about the differnt CPU Types.
And you can see: there is no ppc Support!

Now change in the Line 34 ( i think it was 34) cpuspeed from 2330 to 2500 (for a quad g5) and change in the same line cpu type from "cputtype_x86" to "cputtype_ppc" and from "&& x8664bit" to "&& ppc64bit" (this is on the end of the line.)

When you made this changes and save it, Final Cut think your g5 quad ppc CPU is cpuclass 22. And this is very good!

Restart Final Cut and change your RT Settings in the Timeline to highest!

BTW: i work with this option since 2 Weeks every Day with FCP7 on a ppc without Problems, everything is Working (without AVCIntra)

I finally installed FCP by just clicking through ALL the pop-ups (if only I could have waited to read FCPIdols new tip.. oh well, it is installed now anyways... ;) )

I edited the file as noted above but high & medium are still grayed out for me. My machine is a G5 1.85 Dual - maybe that makes a difference. ANy ideas? :confused:

[evil_santa]

I figured out a new workaround to install with the original installer.
I opened the file "FinalCutStudio.dist" which is located on the Install DVD:
Installer/FinalCutStudio.mpkg/Contents/
I edited this file with Xcode.app (I have Apple Developer Tools installed)
and just removed the lines where it says Intel..., saved and burned a new Install DVD.
Now there's no error message anymore and you can use the installer as supposed!
Works perfectly and now I don't have to reenter my Serial everytime I restart :)

I was having the Serial number problem , so gave up with it , I will try this method...

[llessur]

I figured out a new workaround to install with the original installer.
I opened the file "FinalCutStudio.dist" which is located on the Install DVD:
Installer/FinalCutStudio.mpkg/Contents/
I edited this file with Xcode.app (I have Apple Developer Tools installed)
and just removed the lines where it says Intel..., saved and burned a new Install DVD.
Now there's no error message anymore and you can use the installer as supposed!
Works perfectly and now I don't have to reenter my Serial everytime I restart :)

I tried this and got a java script error. I'm a newbie, could you be a little more detailed on "removing lines" is it just the word "Intel" the entire line, the brackets on previous and following lines, any help would be appreciated.

[Hamish]

I tried this and got a java script error. I'm a newbie, could you be a little more detailed on "removing lines" is it just the word "Intel" the entire line, the brackets on previous and following lines, any help would be appreciated.

I had success literally removing the 2 lines that mention intel entirely.

I will post some detailed instructions/faqs of what I have personally tested and notes from this and other forum threads soon at Gackinto5h.com

The ability to create a proper installer instead of using pacifist is genius, and I think problems with RT settings may depend a little on your GFX card as well as the exact G5 model you have but by editing the txt file as mentioned above I have managed to get HD running at full RT settings and have had no problems so far using every feature listed on the TIN for FCS 2009

I have a quad core with 4GB of ram and it's going to live a little longer...

[llessur]

I must not be that bright, I've now made four coasters. I get all the way to the actual install process and during the configuring install it tells me "install failed" "the installer could not extract files from the package for final cut studio. contact the software manufacture for assistance."

any idea what I'm doing wrong?

[Hamish]

I must not be that bright, I've now made four coasters. I get all the way to the actual install process and during the configuring install it tells me "install failed" "the installer could not extract files from the package for final cut studio. contact the software manufacture for assistance."

any idea what I'm doing wrong?

well Burning DVD's unesseserily would be the first thing you are doing wrong...
why not just create the new DMG and run the install from there.

[FCPIdol]

I must not be that bright, I've now made four coasters. I get all the way to the actual install process and during the configuring install it tells me "install failed" "the installer could not extract files from the package for final cut studio. contact the software manufacture for assistance."

any idea what I'm doing wrong?

I had that Problem, too, at first.
So I used the FCS Remover (http://www.digitalrebellion.com/fcs_remover.htm) and first removed FCP, Color, Compressor, Cinema Tools, Qmaster and the Shared Files (All the things of the First Install DVD). Then I installed again and I unchecked in the Installer all the files that have to do with Motion, DVD Studio Pro or Soundtrack Pro (all on the other Install DVDs) and then it worked.

Hope that'll work for you as well!

[chay]

This is a very exciting forum. I could install FCS on my G5 (dual 1.8 GHz), and Final Cut runs ok - BUT when I want to share some edited HDV footage, the share menu has no Blu-Ray option. It's not greyed out - it's not existing.

Did anybody find a workaround for this problem? Or do I have to reinstall everything?
Any suggestions?
Thanks!

[iemdien090]

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[kmaultsby]

I have just read this today because I wanted to upgrade also but the key thing I did not see AVCHD. I here that with the G5 machines AVCHD will run really slow with out the new more powerful Intel Mac's. Is that true?:cool:

[andi*pandi]

is there any other solution to solve the "have to input registration every time you launch" issue, other than making a new dmg? I'm not so sure I can do that.

[Techhie]

I have just read this today because I wanted to upgrade also but the key thing I did not see AVCHD. I here that with the G5 machines AVCHD will run really slow with out the new more powerful Intel Mac's. Is that true?:cool:

I believe that Apple removed PPC support because the newer CPU intensive editing features were simply to much for older machines to handle. They may have written the apps in UB as a hidden feature for their top end customers still hanging on to their G5s, but they didn't market it as such because buying a new machine would be a much better option performance wise.

[RHCNYC]

Installed FCS 3 on:
Mac Dual 2.5 G5 (not a Quad Core)
Leopard 10.5.8
4G RAM

Edited the line in the "RT Software Enabler.txt", which originally was:

else if (cpucount > 1 && cpuspeed >= 2330 && cputype == cputtype_x86 && !(ispowerbook || ismini) && x8664bit)

changed to:

else if (cpucount > 1 && cpuspeed >= 2500 && cputype == cputtype_ppc && !(ispowerbook || ismini) && ppc64bit)

*(my changes made in BOLD)

RT seems to work fine. Video looking good so far.
Haven't done extensive testing, but otherwise working fine, so far.

Cheers

[RHCNYC]

Bit of an update:

Some of the Video Filters/Effects seem to cause some strange artifacts, in my particular case, in the lower right-hand corner.

Anyone else experiencing this?

[Video7105]

Indeed FCS Studio 3 does run on a Mac G5 Dual 2.5GHz. I have 8 GB of RAM and a video card with 256MB of VRAM, 2TB. I have been using it now for about 6 weeks. It actually runs better then FCS 2 did on my G5. In the past, I couldn’t mirror on desktop on playback and god help if you wanted to run the Waveform Monitor in a Current Frame mode. All applications work (FCP 7, Motion, Soundtrack Pro, Cinema Tool, Compressor, etc.).

Now I can even run the mirror on desktop on playback and run the Waveform Monitor and Audio Mixer all at once live. I send all my output out to an AJA IO LA and a component switcher in the rack.

I think the reason not many are talking about this is because we are afraid Apple will close the door to load it.

You don’t have to use Pacifcist to load it either. The first update 7.0.1 was seen and loaded from Software Update, just like it is suppose too.

[jtfromnyc]

Indeed FCS Studio 3 does run on a Mac G5 Dual 2.5GHz. I have 8 GB of RAM and a video card with 256MB of VRAM, 2TB. I have been using it now for about 6 weeks. It actually runs better then FCS 2 did on my G5. In the past, I couldn’t mirror on desktop on playback and god help if you wanted to run the Waveform Monitor in a Current Frame mode. All applications work (FCP 7, Motion, Soundtrack Pro, Cinema Tool, Compressor, etc.).

Now I can even run the mirror on desktop on playback and run the Waveform Monitor and Audio Mixer all at once live. I send all my output out to an AJA IO LA and a component switcher in the rack.

I think the reason not many are talking about this is because we are afraid Apple will close the door to load it.

You don’t have to use Pacifcist to load it either. The first update 7.0.1 was seen and loaded from Software Update, just like it is suppose too.

What version of FCS did you have running when Software Update brought you up to 7? If I understand you correctly, you are saying you did NOT have to buy an upgrade or new installer for FCS 3 from your previous FCS 2 version? That sounds unlikely but maybe I misunderstand... and if so then hey, pretty sweet! More to the point for me though, I'm curious what kind of video card you are using?

I'm definitely wondering if any of you video pro guys on this site are using a 'hack-installed' FCS 3 with their PPC G5 Duals or Quads and a Blackmagic Decklink HD Extreme card? I haven't heard much in this thread about using the PPCs with pro-level vid cards like IO or Blackmagic. Anyone doing this successfully? Thanks to everyone on this forum for all the great info so far!!

[jtfromnyc]

Thanks "Smudo" and "RHCNYC" for the RT Enabler mods! Made those changes for my G5 Quad 2.5, and the greyed out RT disappeared... although I do get that annoying text box at FCP startup about unsupported RT too, I feel kinda 'so what?' about it.. Minor issue, but if anyone has a fix I'd be very grateful to have it.

Also have do more testing with my Blackmagic HD Extreme card to see if there's any issues, but so far it seems fine.. Will report if anything.

Anyone use the iChat Theater with their PPC yet? Very curious about this AMAZINGLY COOL feature, but I just recently sold my iSight webcam and have yet to replace it.

cheers

[AlfistaSK]

Right some more details for you's:

I managed to install the software using the 'Pacifist' app to bypass the official Apple installer software and therefore the System Requirement check and the software (so far) works without issue. I'm not even hacking the software itself, The software itself is completely untouched. This is not like what some people do with FCP6 and hack the program itself to make it work with machines that don't have Quartz Extreme or what have you. This version of FCS3 was clearly designed to work on PowerPC machines, at least to some extent. From what i'm observing, it looks as though the Intel only decision was made right at the last minute.

When i loaded FCP7 on an older 1.9ghz iMac G5 machine to test it, it said FCP required a 2ghz G5 processor, and this box was new, it didn't look like the box you got on FCP6 when you were missing a required hardware feature. So FCP7 clearly is designed to work on a G5 processor. FCP6 needed a 1.25ghz G4 Processor. So it's not as if it's an old requirement stamp that has been left in the programming.

As you'll see from these pictures below, new features that i've tried seem to work too. Admittedly i haven't tried every single feature, but so far i've had nothing but success. Even Motion 4 which is very processor and GPU heavy actually works faster than Motion 3 did. I checked all the components and apps that installed with the software and they are all 'Universal', with the exception of AVC-Intra support which is an 'Intel' only build.

Some screenshots here:

http://www.bpirozzolo.com/powerpcmotion.jpg - The new features of Motion like Reflections, shadows, framing camera support and depth of field all work perfectly, and on our G5 PowerMacs with the 256mb Nvidia GPUs work smoothly and efficiently.

http://www.bpirozzolo.com/powerpcfcp.jpg - FCP7 as you can see loads fine, new features like the new speed tools work without problems. I outputted the FCP timeline display via a Formac box to a studio monitor, all with no issues.

http://www.bpirozzolo.com/powerPCSTP.jpg - New features in Soundtrack Pro work very well too.

So what doesn't work? I'm not stupid as to think that i KNOW that everything is going to work, but from the testing i did today everything seems to work very well.

If you're like me and have 30 Power Mac G5 DP2.5ghz machines at work which would be ridiculously expensive to replace AND some Intels which you're going to buy FCS3 for anyway, you might as well at least TRY and get it to work on the machines. If it produces problems at a later date then fine, replace them. Having a dual economy of FCP6 and FCP7 would be useless for us, so if there's a possibility of FCP7 working on PowerPC, then i'm taking it! Better that than a £50k+ hardware spend thank you!

Hi,

is posible to give some link with the changed FCS 3 Installer that i can isnstall it too on PowerMac Dual G5 - 2,5GHz.

Thanks.

[threat]

Originally Posted by FCPIdol
I figured out a new workaround to install with the original installer.
I opened the file "FinalCutStudio.dist" which is located on the Install DVD:
Installer/FinalCutStudio.mpkg/Contents/
I edited this file with Xcode.app (I have Apple Developer Tools installed)
and just removed the lines where it says Intel..., saved and burned a new Install DVD.
Now there's no error message anymore and you can use the installer as supposed!
Works perfectly and now I don't have to reenter my Serial everytime I restart

________________________________________________________________

I have tried looking into the entire package for any file with an extension ".dist". The only files i can see through the entire content of the package are files anding in .pkg or some other stuff. Cant find the file that i have to edit with xcode.app. Also with a rightclick i cant see the "show package contents" where i could search for it. Using pacifist will not let me see that file. Where is that file i need to edit two lines inside to make it work on my G5 Quad?

Please help

[Video7105]

No jtfromnyc.
Am not saying that........ Am saying after loading 7.0, Software Update saw the &.0 just fine and upgraded it to 7.0.1 ................ and after a few month, the whole suite is running well on the PPC.

Dave

[Tel Fraser]

I USED pacifist to install onto a G5 7,3 2.0 dual with 4gig ram - it took hours to install - so many fake errors my thumb is weak - Again I also changed the RT settings even though mine wer'nt greyed out however I put 2 for the number of cpus I also have the pop up issue plus randomly have to re enter my serial even after updating - There was an issue with the Compressor submit button being greyed out but this was solved by the upgrade - havent used the other components yet so can't say if they're all working plus Compressor is always a problem (Media encoder in Premiere is more stable and less hassle). I went to get rid of the reg nag but found the first file line I needed to paste from was not there which is probably why the serial issue exists - My serial form has only popped up once and I re entered the serial and it was fine - I'm going to count the number of times before it, if it does, requests the serial again, as I have not been reg nagged yet. Any assistance in the serial request situation would be appreciated. Its such a pity Final Cut Studio 3 did not address the render sistuation it is the one area that Premiere is more advanced.

[Tel Fraser]

If you have installed Final Cut Studio 3 with Pacifist you are no doubt having some problems - Having to re enter the serial every time you reboot plus other files are missing - the issue with the serial is because a daemon launcher is missing so the file doesn't get transferred. The use of Xcode as stated earlier will sort this out - however the wiping of the two lines is not the way to go. I suggest wiping from the word "if" to the backwards facing bracket plus then change the "Welcome.rtf to "This version of Final Cut Studio will run natively on ppc-based computers".
Now then before you can use Xcode you will have to make the "FinalCutStudio.mpkg writeable so you can open the contents to get to the files. Good luck with that.plus remember AVC-Intra support is native "Intel" though that doesn't really cause any hassle
The reason I haven't detailed how to make the files writable is that its quite easy plus the whole thing was a challenge which I've solved ,and with the hints given, so should the legal owners of the software also be able to

[danfresh36]

Hello,

I am hoping to reiterate the steps involved installing studio 3 with pacifist. I have a dual core 2 ghz power pc with 2.5 gb ram running os 10.4. I tried installing final cut studio 3 with pacifist and the installation seemed to go ok...

I opened the final cut package through pacifist and installed each package accordingly. After this, final cut will not open at all, or any of the final cut studio programs. They pop up in the dock for one second then just disappear and that is it.

Am I missing steps during the installation process? I haven't used pacifist before so i am not sure if I am doing anything wrong, or right for that matter.

thanks for the help, everyone on here is doing amazingly helpful work and I wish a could contribute more than beginner questions.

thanks
dan

[Tel Fraser]

I again make the point don't use pacifist it doesn't install all the needed files. Download Final Cut Remover and start again - you need to download Xcode from Apple - free download and go from there

[Tel Fraser]

I believe that Apple removed PPC support because the newer CPU intensive editing features were simply to much for older machines to handle. They may have written the apps in UB as a hidden feature for their top end customers still hanging on to their G5s, but they didn't market it as such because buying a new machine would be a much better option performance wise.
Really I think it was just a lot easier to make the updates and recompile as a universal - Macs top end customers would've updated their machines to Intel already and regarding the new cpu intensive editing features they arn't that intensive my systems both ppc are handling them ok. All I had to do was edit two lines of code alter the Rt file and Im running fine. Final Cut Studio 4 will be a different story however but then Premiere is coming on leaps and bounds and the rendering situation is much better

[danfresh36]

Hello,

I have just done a fresh install of final cut studio 3 with pacifist. However, the program will not launch after all packages have been installed. I receive an error message after final cut unexpectantly quits:

Process: Final Cut Pro [794]
Path: /Applications/Final Cut Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Final Cut Pro
Identifier: com.apple.FinalCutPro
Version: ??? (???)
Build Info: FCPApp-906181654~22
Code Type: PPC (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [130]

Interval Since Last Report: 142 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 1
Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 0 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 1

Date/Time: 2010-02-27 16:56:56.632 -0500
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L31a)
Report Version: 6
Anonymous UUID: F2735926-CF71-49A6-9CAF-CBE82AF568D0

Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x000000008fe0105c
Crashed Thread: 0

Dyld Error Message:
Symbol not found: _kPrivateTundraFileWritingOptionsKey_DontValidateTimeCodeWhenWriting
Referenced from: /Applications/Final Cut Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/../Frameworks/MIO.framework/Versions/A/MIO
Expected in: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate.framework/Versions/A/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate


Does anyone have any ideas?
thanks for the help and all advice in this thread.
dan

[danfresh36]

Smudo or RHNYC or anybody dealing w/ rt enabler settings, can anyone give me the necessary changes to the text file for a 2 Ghz PPC?

thanks

[Tel Fraser]

Smudo or RHNYC or anybody dealing w/ rt enabler settings, can anyone give me the necessary changes to the text file for a 2 Ghz PPC?

thanks
try this:
else if (cpucount > 1 && cpuspeed >= 2330 && cputype == cputtype_x86 && !(ispowerbook || ismini) && x8664bit)

changed to:

else if (cpucount > 2 && cpuspeed >= 2000 && cputype == cputtype_ppc && !(ispowerbook || ismini) && ppc64bit)

I actually just imported the Final Cut 2 file and replaced the content - not the header stuff - I don't think its possible to get rid of the nag screen after you change the file - but iM HAPPY TO BE WRONG - YOU DIDN'T SAY IF IT WAS DUAL OR NOT IF IT ISN'T CHANGE cpucount to 1

[wesmcc]

Smudo or RHNYC or anybody dealing w/ rt enabler settings, can anyone give me the necessary changes to the text file for a 2 Ghz PPC?

thanks

I am trying to fix the Render problems associated with running on a G5 with a Dual 2GHz PowerPC. The previous fix didn't work for me. Any suggestions? I didn't quite understand taking the text from FCP 6. Should that work?

Thanks for the help.

[wesmcc]

I opened up the RT Software Enabler from FCP 6 and copied everything after float cpuclass until end if.

I deleted everything after "float cpuclass" through "end if" on the FCP7 RT Software Enabler and pasted in the copied information from the FCP6 file, and it seems to be working thus far; however, it requires rendering when any effects are added, which is not the case in my other systems that have intel processors. Is there a better way to do this that gives higher performance?

[Video7105]

danfresh36........ What graphic card do you have installed in your machine?

Dave

[E2005]

If you have installed Final Cut Studio 3 with Pacifist you are no doubt having some problems - Having to re enter the serial every time you reboot plus other files are missing - the issue with the serial is because a daemon launcher is missing so the file doesn't get transferred. The use of Xcode as stated earlier will sort this out - however the wiping of the two lines is not the way to go. I suggest wiping from the word "if" to the backwards facing bracket plus then change the "Welcome.rtf to "This version of Final Cut Studio will run natively on ppc-based computers".
Now then before you can use Xcode you will have to make the "FinalCutStudio.mpkg writeable so you can open the contents to get to the files. Good luck with that.plus remember AVC-Intra support is native "Intel" though that doesn't really cause any hassle
The reason I haven't detailed how to make the files writable is that its quite easy plus the whole thing was a challenge which I've solved ,and with the hints given, so should the legal owners of the software also be able to

I've follow these steps above and create a new image, but when launching it, I get a window popping up saying "The document “FinalCutStudio.mpkg” could not be opened." Has anyone encounter this problem? Do I have to use Pacifist to install?

[HyperZboy]

The 7800gtx is a PC card that has a rom chip transplanted from a donor mac card, or so i was told by the guy who i bought it from in the states - though i read that a few months later he started ripping people off and not sending cards out after receiving payment, so it may not be true i suppose. The original card was the stock card available at the Quad 3 years ago when I bought it, and when i try to boot with the stock card, nine times out of ten i get vertical lines all along the screen, and only 25% is visible. It has booted without problems using either card on a couple of occasions, but most of the time it freaks out in one way or another. This is driving me mad - I can't believe that a 3 year old machine may need to be replaced!

Thanks
Matt

Do you mind my asking who you bought it from?

I think I might have been another victim. :(

[WayneH1]

...I can't. Using information from this fantastic thread, I succeeded in getting a fully working FCS3 installation on my dual G5, EXCEPT that I cannot "Share" to a blu-ray from Final Cut Pro, and Compressor 3.5.2 is not behaving well for that purpose either.

I saw a post here of this same missing-preset problem and another similar post at Creative Cow - both unanswered. Adding mine, there are 3 posts of a missing "Blu-ray" option on FCP's Share pop-up menu. So I'm beginning to think this should be noted as another known problem with the unsupported installation.

It's really frustrating that one of the very few things not working is the one thing I want to do! I've been experimenting with Toast 10 for making "blu-ray on DVD" disks. Toast works OK for this but I was hoping Final Cut Studio might be superior (faster, better, easier, all of the above?). No luck so far. Advice welcome!

[Pheadrus]

Indeed FCS Studio 3 does run on a Mac G5 Dual 2.5GHz. I have 8 GB of RAM and a video card with 256MB of VRAM, 2TB. I have been using it now for about 6 weeks. It actually runs better then FCS 2 did on my G5.

You don’t have to use Pacifcist to load it either. The first update 7.0.1 was seen and loaded from Software Update, just like it is suppose too.

Hi Dave,

I'm running a MAC G5 Quad 2.5ghz. I want to run FCS 3 and see from your post that you didn't use Pacifist to load the software. Can you detail how you did load it in the first instance without pacifist?

Much appreciated.

[evil_santa]

this post tells you how to make an FCP installer that dosn't look to see if the machines is intel

make a read write disk image of the main install disk then follow the instructions on how to modify the installer, save back on to the disk image ( dont rename the file ) and install from that file.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8406208&postcount=43

[WayneH1]

this post tells you how to make an FCP installer that dosn't look to see if the machines is intel

make a read write disk image of the main install disk then follow the instructions on how to modify the installer, save back on to the disk image ( dont rename the file ) and install from that file.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8406208&postcount=43

Another approach is to instead delete the line below from the .dist file.

<installation-check script='installationCheck()'/>

Deleting this line will allow installation on anything, including machines without minimum VRAM. The approach of modifying the installer is MUCH faster and requires less manual input than using Pacifist. It seems like it might be more reliable as well, although I can't say I found anything wrong with the Pacifist installation. I think others have.

If anyone uses this unsupported method to install on a PowerPC, I'd very much appreciate hearing whether you can access share to Blu-ray options. Thanks in advance.

[Pheadrus]

this post tells you how to make an FCP installer that dosn't look to see if the machines is intel

make a read write disk image of the main install disk then follow the instructions on how to modify the installer, save back on to the disk image ( dont rename the file ) and install from that file.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8406208&postcount=43

Thanks Evil Santa,

Do you use Disk Utility to make the read / write disk image of the main install disk? Also did you have to uninstall FCP 2 before successfully completing the install of FCP 3?

Your help is much appreciated!

[Pheadrus]

Thanks Evil Santa,

Do you use Disk Utility to make the read / write disk image of the main install disk? Also did you have to uninstall FCP 2 before successfully completing the install of FCP 3?

Your help is much appreciated!

Balls, it looks like it's academic as I can't seem to source Xcode 3.1.4 for Leopard (which I'm running on the G5). Any ideas?

[WayneH1]

Balls, it looks like it's academic as I can't seem to source Xcode 3.1.4 for Leopard (which I'm running on the G5). Any ideas?

The answer to your first question is yes, Disk Utility can "convert" the image to a writable one.

I was able to get XCode for free by signing up as a developer at Apple. It's not as bad as it sounds, just fill in the form and away you go. But I just went to look there and it looks like they want money to join. Hmmm... I wish I could recall exactly how I got in. You may have to search a bit, but I did get it directly from Apple in the last month or so, for free.

UPDATE: Found it: http://connect.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MemberSite.woa/wa/getSoftware?bundleID=20414

[Video7105]

Pheadrus, did you get FCP3 running on your machine? If not you can contact me at video7105@comcast.net about it.


Dave
It's Comcastic - Stay Connected

[timsargent]

For those of you that have installed FCP7 on a G5, whats it like, speed wise? Compared with previous versions?

[procopio1980]

I figured out a new workaround to install with the original installer.
I opened the file "FinalCutStudio.dist" which is located on the Install DVD:
Installer/FinalCutStudio.mpkg/Contents/
I edited this file with Xcode.app (I have Apple Developer Tools installed)
and just removed the lines where it says Intel..., saved and burned a new Install DVD.
Now there's no error message anymore and you can use the installer as supposed!
Works perfectly and now I don't have to reenter my Serial everytime I restart :)

I tried this and got a java script error. I'm a newbie, could you be a little more detailed on "removing lines" is it just the word "Intel" the entire line, the brackets on previous and following lines, any help would be appreciated.Thanks

[danfog]

I'm actually trying to install Final Cut Studio 3 now on my new (scrumpymacs.co.uk) Dual 2.3GHz PowerMac G5 with 4GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive and my god this is pretty quick! I'm separating out my work from my personal stuff and this G5 is gonna be my work machine. I'm a high-quality YouTuber who uses Final Cut for my videos and I was quite annoyed when I put my FCS disc in and it told me that it wasn't Intel. However, it's installing nicely now with Pacifist so I'll see how it goes. Totally ridiculous that Apple no longer support A 4 or 5 year old machine! There are still a lot of loyal PowerPC customers out there who are the original, long-term Mac users!

Rant over, thanks for introducing me to Pacifist!

[breinerm]

Thanks a ton Mr. Stabby. I am still stumped in the xcode part of it because I have never really used it. I cant seem to open the install package in xcode. I even called apple to see if they could tell me and the guy who i talked to said he had never even heard of xcode. I replied that it comes with snow leopard.
anyways, i cant figure this out. do i need to build it in packagemaker?

how do you find the .dist file in xcode i cant figure out how to use it to delete the part that talks about checking if its an intel machine
thanks

[breinerm]

Thanks a ton Mr. Stabby. I am still stumped in the xcode part of it because I have never really used it. I cant seem to open the install package in xcode. I even called apple to see if they could tell me and the guy who i talked to said he had never even heard of xcode. I replied that it comes with snow leopard.
anyways, i cant figure this out. do i need to build it in packagemaker?

how do you find the .dist file in xcode i cant figure out how to use it to delete the part that talks about checking if its an intel machine
thanks

i figured it out.
ok its simple to find the .dist file if anyone else is an idiot like me.
first things first, make sure xcode is installed
burn the first install disc into a dmg onto your desktop
open disk utility
click on the dmg that you just made
click on convert on the top of the disk utility window
save it wherever you want but change the image format from compressed to read/write
press save
once it saves, open up the dmg
right click on install final cut studio
click on show original
right click on installer
click on show package contents
double click contents
right click on finalcutstudio.dist
click on open with
click on your harddrive
click on developer
click on applications
click on xcode
click on open at the bottom right part of the window

now wait for xcode to open (it may take a few seconds)
go down a few lines and there are two lines that say intel.
delete those two lines and press file then save in the menu bar.
install like normal

[breinerm]

I will make a video tonight showing how to do this and put a link on the thread.

[douglasomar]

I have FCE 4.0 on my Quad G5, however when i try to import HD video (AVCHD) from my camera into G5 it gives me an error saying something like AVCHD is not supported on the PowerPC platform. Which i have read up on and it seems to be right. Now to my question...
Whats the point of using FCS3.0 on a PPC unit? really with everything going HD now how can you guys be editing HD video on a G5??

[chay]

Whats the point of using FCS3.0 on a PPC unit? really with everything going HD now how can you guys be editing HD video on a G5??

Your question is not stupid at all - FCS 3.0 doesn't help on a G5! After hours of unsuccessful trials I went back to FCS 2.0. I edit HDV as HDV (no conversion) in FCP and play the edited product back to tape with no visual loss. And with Toast I was able to burn HD material onto a "normal" DVD (I could put like 35 minutes on it) which only plays in a BluRay player. :o

So far my G5 experience. But now with the new Mac Pro finally here I decided to take the step, because HD on a red laser disk is not only limited in time but (so they say) also in picture quality. And the Toast menus really suck ... I am looking forward to a hopefully better experience - but most probably having to take the Adobe way as Apple doesn't want to beef up DVDSP to BDSP:(

[evil_santa]

I have FCE 4.0 on my Quad G5, however when i try to import HD video (AVCHD) from my camera into G5 it gives me an error saying something like AVCHD is not supported on the PowerPC platform. Which i have read up on and it seems to be right. Now to my question...
Whats the point of using FCS3.0 on a PPC unit? really with everything going HD now how can you guys be editing HD video on a G5??

Not everyone uses Hi Def, not every one can afford a new Mac Pro.

[Watchful]

I found myself in need of Final Cut Studio 3 running on a PowerPC computer pretty badly today and this thread was helpful, after sifting through and finding this:

Another approach is to instead delete the line below from the .dist file.

<installation-check script='installationCheck()'/>

One of my Intel computers went down and is in for repair, and I needed something desperately. And there was my Quad Core 2.5 GHz G5.

I made a read/write disk image of the install DVD, then I navigated to the .dist file, opened in in Text Edit (believe it or not), searched for and deleted that line, saved. And that was it. Installation went normally. And it runs far better than Final Cut Studio 2 did on that same computer.

I think Apple dropped support for PowerPC just because. I'm quite happy with the performance compared to what I expected from it.

[rainnoone]

i dont get how to install with pacifist. it extracts fine a lot of files, but where to copy them? if i put fcp app in the app folder it crashes immediately and tells me that it miss files in library and in other locations. sorry for innocent questions, i am not very trained in this computer install things ... :)


updat:
i went the xcode route modifing the install file, and everythings fine on my ppc 2,5 quad.

[macspark]

I realize that no one's posted on this thread for a while, and my question is not one that anyone else is going to care about, but hoping that someone will take pity on me, here goes:

What (if any) version of FCP could I try to buy that would work on an old 667Mhz PowerPC Powerbook G4 (ti-book)(upgraded to 1GB SDRAM, running 4 external FW drives, 3 from a PCMCIA adapter - since the internal drive is only 30GB) but also work on a MacBookPro with Express Card slot that I am hoping to get?

Have been using FCP 4 with the HD updates but that was installed when I was an assistant editor so I need my own discs so I can install a larger internal hard drive.

I've heard of "universal" versions that work both on PowerPC's and Intel processors, but were they FCP 4 or FCP 5 and what do I need to specifically look for?... thank you!

My idea is to buy this and then an upgrade for the MBP. Thank you for any suggestions!

ps. I am looking for a 15" (better to fit in carry-on when flying) MacBookPro with an Express Card slot and a Matte screen - any recommendations regarding that? Thanks again.

[fhturner]

What (if any) version of FCP could I try to buy that would work on an old 667Mhz PowerPC Powerbook G4 (ti-book)(upgraded to 1GB SDRAM, running 4 external FW drives, 3 from a PCMCIA adapter - since the internal drive is only 30GB) but also work on a MacBookPro with Express Card slot that I am hoping to get?

You should be able to make Final Cut Studio, w/ Final Cut Pro v5.1, to run on both without "hacking", although you may not be able to install all of the programs on the PowerBook. I'm not sure if you could get something as late as Final Cut Studio 3 working on the PB w/ the tips in this thread, but perhaps it's possible. If you wind up trying it, let us know!


Now, for a follow-up question of my own. I'm ecstatic to have FCS3 running on my G5/2.5GHz DP...thanks for the tips here! I've modified the RT enabler, as even unmodified DV clips in a DV sequence required rendering if I didn't. I don't relish the idea of having to say "OK" each and every time I launch the program, though, due to the "One or more unsupported enablers" nag message.

Has anyone found a way around this, or know exactly what the program checks to determine that mods have been made? It's more than just modification date on the file, apparently, as I replaced the file w/ an untouched version, but FCP still knew something had been changed (even though I'd changed it back). When I replaced the entire "Enablers" folder that the RT enabler file sits in, the error went away. Hmmmm...any thoughts?

Thanks,
Fred

[macspark]

Thank you Fred / fhturner! I didn't know all versions of FCP 5 would work with either Intel or PowerPC chips.

[enrocas]

please, need help, already deleted INTEL lines but cant install, allways get ERROR READING PACKAGE Java Script Error,
thanks in advance

[enrocas]

I tried this and got a java script error. I'm a newbie, could you be a little more detailed on "removing lines" is it just the word "Intel" the entire line, the brackets on previous and following lines, any help would be appreciated.Thanks

same problem, could you solve it?

[Billy Jim]

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I know immediately that people are going to say "Duhh look at the System Requirements, it says it needs an 'Intel Processor' "

But having just purchased FCS3 for my Intel machine, I discovered according to the 'Get Info' tab, Final Cut 7 and all the other FCS3 apps are 'Universal'.

Screenshot here:

Image (http://www.bpirozzolo.com/FCP1.jpg)

I loaded up FCP using 'Rosetta' and it said that FCP7 requires a G5 processor, and you have a G4. Don't know why it said that, but it seems to suggest FCP7 will work on a G5.

Again screenshot here:

Image (http://www.bpirozzolo.com/FCP2.jpg)


The Info PList file in FCP7 which most people use to hack FCP to work on machines that don't meet requirements by default has the G4 500mhz as a minimum processor.

Unfortunately i don't have any PowerPC machines to hand to test whether a PowerPC will actually load the app.

Does anyone actually know for sure?

I successfully installed FCS 3 with Pacifist but the Templates folder for Motion did not install within the program. The folder was separate and seems complete. Do you know how (or where) that folder belongs?