New 'iProd1,1' Reference Found in iPhone OS 3.1 Beta Configuration File

[MacRumors]

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Image from Ars Technica
Ars Technica reports (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/08/updated-plist-suggests-new-apple-device-iprod-coming-soon.ars) that the latest version of the iPhone OS 3.1 beta seeded to developers last week (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/27/apple-seeds-iphone-os-3-1-beta-3-to-developers/) contains an updated configuration file that references two mysterious products known as "iProd0,1" and "iProd1,1". A reference to "iProd0,1" was initially spotted (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-3-0-beta-references-four-unknown-products/) back in March in a version of the same configuration file in an iPhone OS 3.0 beta, but this latest reference to "iProd1,1" appears to be a new addition.The iProd1,1 device has been assigned a new productID of 4762 (versus 4757 of iProd0,1) and assigned a different ConfigurationDescriptor of "standardMuxPTPEthernet." iPhone models also have this designation, and the additional interface identified in the plist for this configuration is "AppleUSBEthernet." The consensus here seems to be that the new device may have gained high-speed networking capabilities -- though the iPhone uses the interface to tether to a laptop to share its 3G connection.The numerical designation on "iProd0,1" suggested that the device was simply a prototype, but the new addition of a "1,1" version of the device implies that it may now be approaching a public release.

While exactly what the "iProd" designation is referring to remains unknown, speculation of course centers on Apple's rumored tablet computer, although whether that device would run iPhone OS in some capacity or something more similar to Mac OS X is not clear. Other possibilities raised by Ars Technica include a next-generation iPod nano (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/26/artist-rendition-of-5g-ipod-nano-with-camera/) rumored to include a camera (although it seems doubtful that this device's operating system would be based on Phone 3.0) or Apple's fabled "iPhone nano".

References to unreleased products "iPod2,2", "iPod3,1", and "iPhone3,1" also continue to appear in the configuration file. The "iPhone2,1" device discovered in a similar manner (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/28/next-generation-iphone-model-revealed-in-firmware/) in January eventually turned out to be the iPhone 3GS.

Article Link: New 'iProd1,1' Reference Found in iPhone OS 3.1 Beta Configuration File (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/04/new-iprod11-reference-found-in-iphone-os-3-1-beta-configuration-file/)

[jav6454]

Maybe the iProd is the fabled Mac Tablet? As for iPhone 3,1 it was a given

[fun173]

i hope its a tablet

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Is this thing going to play music and poke me for $1499?

[GeekLawyer]

It's looking more and more likely that the Tablet will run some version of the iPhone OS as opposed to OS X.

[Spock]

I cant wait until next month, I am in need of a new iPod Touch as my first gen. battery is not lasting very long anymore and my headphone port is getting worn out.

[Randman]

iProd will deliver a slight electric shock whenever anyone mentions the Google Voice debacle, Steve Jobs' health or where in the hell is MMS.

[SFStateStudent]

The new iPro Device? I can only hope this is the iPro MacTablet.....:p

[aznkid25]

Also posted here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=759371

[RMo]

Smells like a tablet to me, which I guess means it runs the iPhone OS. (I can barely believe that Apple is making a tablet, and I would hardly believe that it would run the iPhone OS as opposed to full-fledged OS X ... but I've been wrong before. :D)

What else could this be? Like the article said, it's clearly not a nano, unless they're magically switching to an OS meant for a touchscreen that's larger than the nano itself.

[SFStateStudent]

Also posted here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=759371

Wrong forum for this one? :confused:

[Peace]

iProd means "I Product"..So it seems the "tablet device" will be labeled within the iPod lineup.

Maybe even the iBook Touch ?

[julianzz]

Introducing the iProd,

The brand new totally reinvented iPod. Now featuring a revolutionary radio transmitter. Picking up both AM and FM frequencies. Yours for only 349$

[codybrom]

ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHT iProduct!

[profets]

It's looking more and more likely like the Tablet will run some version of the iPhone OS as opposed to OS X.

i was thinking the same thing....

[profets]

i'm more interested in finding out more about iPhone3,1 than iProd

[aprofetto]

Idiots...

Its not the new tablet... its a device to get cows moving...

[SFStateStudent]

Or it could be the NEW "Cattle iProd Pro" starting at $699-$1499....Gawd! :p

[deconstruct60]

Smells like a tablet to me,....

Smells like a generic marker to be used for any unreleased but in product testing to me. Allows Apple to put a Touch, nano, phone, tabel, umbrella, coffee maker , etc. out there in testing onto the internet and folks won't know what it is. Or maybe it is a wifi equipped cattle prod. ;)


Apple keeps its super secret device 42 under wraps until the "surprise" event later. Or Apple keeps it predictable device 52 under wraps until the "not so suprising" event later.

Surprising Apple hadn't developed an earlier adaptation to folks "dumpster diving" through beta releases looks for new products sooner. The beta versions of the OS are going to go to folks who don't need to know. This way they don't know what it is; only that something is coming. Something new is always coming up so that is non-informative.

[aznkid25]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16)

Also posted here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=759371

Wrong forum for this one? :confused:

I wasn't sure which section to post it
in. But I did submit it as news/rumor by filling out the form.

[DELLsFan]

Is this thing going to play music and poke me for $1499?

For $1499, it better do a whole lot more than poke! :D

[iJP]

The "Pro" could mean something like iTablet Pr or iPod Pro. At this time it can be anything.

[sishaw]

Idiots...

Its not the new tablet... its a device to get cows moving...

Cows...or people? Is Apple getting ready to really leverage their power over the consumer?

[ct2k7]

looks tasty enough to eat it :)

[Target362]

Could be a tablet, could be something else. If it is a tablet, it might just as well run the iPhone OS, as I don't think snow leopard was made with touch in mind like windows 7 is.

UNLESS, it uses OSX, but a spechil mode for touch

[SFStateStudent]

I wasn't sure which section to post it
in. But I did submit it as news/rumor by filling out the form.

I hear ya' it was a good post either way.....:cool:

[pyramid6]

Apple has figured out that we have figured out how to find their products in configuration files. It's probably iProduct, and is just a stand-in name so we won't figure it out.

I'm guessing it's a 10" ipod touch, and that really sucks.

[MacMini2009]

looks tasty enough to eat it :)

Taste like lead.

[MikhailT]

Smells like a tablet to me, which I guess means it runs the iPhone OS. (I can barely believe that Apple is making a tablet, and I would hardly believe that it would run the iPhone OS as opposed to full-fledged OS X ... but I've been wrong before. :D)

What else could this be? Like the article said, it's clearly not a nano, unless they're magically switching to an OS meant for a touchscreen that's larger than the nano itself.

iPhone OS itself is based on OSX. It's just scaled down to run on iPhone. The OS X is very flexible when it comes to accommodating different devices. All Apple has to do is add a brand new GUI to the iPhone OS that'll be some kind of a touch-based desktop with Finder, Dock Expose, Stacks, Expose, Dashboard as well and some kind of method of entering information either via a virtual keyboard or a stylus and you got your new iTablet OS.

[puffnstuff]

I was wondering what would make it worth $800. It's great to know it will poke me too.

[MACWhite]

iPod + Pro = iProd. And I highly anyone would use a tablet as a phone. Lol.

Just imagine cleaning this screen lol.

I would love to get my hands on something like this! Be even better if it ran SL like the iPhone/iPod touch

[tigertazz]

It would make sense for any "apple tablet" to run Iphone OS rather than OSX full version.
Who would want a large OS on a system that can only just accomodate it? it would make it sluggish, like vista.

Sorry Vista users its true!

Why run a product that will chew up valuable RAM and cpu cycles when a scaled down version will be more manageble andallow users virtually the same kind of access?

I'm worrried that if apple release their tablet it wont live up to the hype, a bit like iphone 3Gs. I personally would have preferred to see a little more overhall than just ram and cpu (effectiely). Roll on July 2010 :D

[SFStateStudent]

I'm looking forward to seeing a JB on it....:cool:

[nagromme]

Apple's going to have to start inserting fake product identifiers to keep their future plans secret :p

Hmmm.... maybe they already have.

[Spikeanator6982]

guys come on, everyone knows how their parents used to say, "don't make me get the prod" when they wouldnt get up for school in the morning. so apple made an ipod based alarm clock called the iProd.

[iphones4evry1]

The New iTablet !!!! :eek: :D:D:D

I'm guessing the iTablet will have the ability to run both OS X and the iPod Touch OS. The user can switch back and forth.

[roaringcreek]

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

[Full of Win]

I swear, Apple is just messing with our minds. If they had a sense of humor, they would name it iYouCantHaveItYet.

[iphones4evry1]

I swear, Apple is just messing with our minds. If they had a sense of humor, they would name it iYouCantHaveItYet.

hahahaha. I'm surprised they haven't actually done this.

[ImNoSuperMan]

Need full OSX. Nothing else. Dont do this apple,,,,

[Blue Fox]

There's probably something awesome on the horizon...........hopefully it'll be super-frickin-awesome and blow us all out of the water. (and an Apple TV update to 1080p would be nice too. :D)

[SFStateStudent]

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

Nice find, eerily scary concept for those of us lounging around the sofa in pajamas.....:p

[GeekLawyer]

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

I'm hoping it's nothing so specialized. I can see this type of technology being added on to just about any iPhone OS-based hardware.

[DaBrain]

Is this thing going to play music and poke me for $1499?

Yep and it's gonna say to you " Don't Prod me Bro"! :D

[anonicon]

I'm surprised no one's aware of the iProd since it's been in development since 2005:

http://cache.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif

[wolfpackfan]

Any developers out there? A question - assuming this new device runs on iPhone 3.1 OS, how will apps (new and/or already developed) scale as far as screen size? Assuming it's a 10" screen will apps display in a smaller font, showing more on the screen (I hope)? Will existing apps be able to run okay without being rewritten?

Personally I am very excited about this device. I've been wanting something like a net book for a long time now and this new device, even if it just runs 3.1 would suit me fine.

One thing though, IMO price is very important. If Apple wants to sell to the masses as opposed to Apple fans like us, if the device is just a glorified Touch they had better keep the price less than $500. Anything more and folks won't buy it. Just my opinion.

[manu chao]

iPhone OS itself is based on OSX. It's just scaled down to run on iPhone. The OS X is very flexible when it comes to accommodating different devices. All Apple has to do is add a brand new GUI to the iPhone OS that'll be some kind of a touch-based desktop with Finder, Dock Expose, Stacks, Expose, Dashboard as well and some kind of method of entering information either via a virtual keyboard or a stylus and you got your new iTablet OS.
The question about the OS is mainly about whether all those OS X applications we depend on daily will run on it. Can I use LaTeX on it? Can I edit a pdf on it with Acrobat? That is the question, can it replace my laptop for everything on the go.

[iphones4evry1]

There's probably something awesome on the horizon...........hopefully it'll be super-frickin-awesome and blow us all out of the water. (and an Apple TV update to 1080p would be nice too. :D)

iPhone WiFi to a receiver that plugs into your HDTV's HDMI port to use as a monitor for your iPhone; YouTube, music videos, and everything else on the iPhone. :)
Just walk into your TV room, sit on the sofa, turn the TV on, and it's ready to go.

[cocamouthwash]

The only possible way I'll even consider an "iProd" is if the ssd has at least 32 gb...and even 32gb isn't hardly enough for me these days...

[clammyshell01]

I guess for now we have an :apple: "iProduct" on our hands. We know much.

[yamaduc]

Maybe it's the iPhone for China Mobile, since it's hacked to crap due to Chinese regulations.

[iMacmatician]

Here comes the (mini-)tablet…

[maveness]

There's already an iPhone emulator for MacOSX, so there's no need to "switch" between the two. A bigger device really needs the full OSX experience, imo.

[iphones4evry1]

Maybe it's the iPhone for China Mobile, since it's hacked to crap due to Chinese regulations.

Despite killing our excitement, this actually sounds the most logical.

[GeekLawyer]

Despite killing our excitement, this actually sounds the most logical.

Well, that's certainly no fun at all. :p

[RTee]

Not a Type-O one hopes and hopefully not the name of an upcoming product:eek:

[Blue Fox]

But now that I think of it, Snow Leopard is coming out soon.....

And when you think about it, Snow Leopard have really, REALLY trimmed down the fat (5GB worth) to make it much more of a light-weight OS. So Snow Leopard is being re-written from the ground up to be leaner and quicker, (which would mean it would be the PERFECT OS to run on a low-horsepower tablet system)

And since Apple has said before, the reason they haven't release a Netbook/Tablet as of yet is because they don't want to release a sub-par product with poor performance. Well, the pieces are sort of falling in place. Snow Leopard being re-written to be a quick, snappy, light-weight friendly OS to be released early Fall. And all the rumors are speculating of a Tablet system from Apple around the same time.......Hmmmmmm.........perhaps Apple really does know EXACTLY what they're doing.

[str1f3]

I'll never buy this. With everything that has been happening at the App Store, I'll be be damned if I buy a tablet that is locked into the App Store. I'll be just fine with the Mac.

[Bonte]

"iPod2,2" = new nano with camera
"iPod3,1" = new Touch with camera and GPS
"iPhone3,1" = the China iPhone
"iProd1,1" = the Jesus tablet

seems a realistic lineup of new products.

[MacFly123]

It's looking more and more likely that the Tablet will run some version of the iPhone OS as opposed to OS X.

That has been a given for quite a while. I have been telling Tablet OS X hopefuls that for a long time now. Snow Leopard will not run on an ARM processor. Apple and consumers will want the App Store on the Tablet. How much more debate is needed really? It is very logical! :rolleyes:

[profets]

But now that I think of it, Snow Leopard is coming out soon.....

And when you think about it, Snow Leopard have really, REALLY trimmed down the fat (5GB worth) to make it much more of a light-weight OS. So Snow Leopard is being re-written from the ground up to be leaner and quicker, (which would mean it would be the PERFECT OS to run on a low-horsepower tablet system)

And since Apple has said before, the reason they haven't release a Netbook/Tablet as of yet is because they don't want to release a sub-par product with poor performance. Well, the pieces are sort of falling in place. Snow Leopard being re-written to be a quick, snappy, light-weight friendly OS to be released early Fall. And all the rumors are speculating of a Tablet system from Apple around the same time.......Hmmmmmm.........perhaps Apple really does know EXACTLY what they're doing.

SL is being re-written from the ground up? if anything its the opposite of being re-written from ground up

[str1f3]

But now that I think of it, Snow Leopard is coming out soon.....

And when you think about it, Snow Leopard have really, REALLY trimmed down the fat (5GB worth) to make it much more of a light-weight OS. So Snow Leopard is being re-written from the ground up to be leaner and quicker, (which would mean it would be the PERFECT OS to run on a low-horsepower tablet system)

And since Apple has said before, the reason they haven't release a Netbook/Tablet as of yet is because they don't want to release a sub-par product with poor performance. Well, the pieces are sort of falling in place. Snow Leopard being re-written to be a quick, snappy, light-weight friendly OS to be released early Fall. And all the rumors are speculating of a Tablet system from Apple around the same time.......Hmmmmmm.........perhaps Apple really does know EXACTLY what they're doing.

I don't know why you believe this will use Snow Leopard. This is mentioned in the iPhone OS. There has been no evidence that Snow Leopard will support the ARM architecture. You are wishing too hard and ignoring the obvious. This will run a modified version of the iPhone OS. For that reason (and being tied to a carrier) I'll never buy it. This wreaks of controversy all over again.

[RobertCraigWils]

As already noted above, the website contains this info:

THE makers of the iPod are working on a digital personal trainer that can measure a user’s heart rate, recommend an exercise regime and even design a healthy meal.

The device being developed by Apple, nicknamed the iProd, combines the internet technology of the iPod with a series of body sensors and specially designed software.

The nickname comes from a feature by which the machine reprimands the user if they fail to finish an exercise routine.

From this website:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

in fact, check this one out:

http://healthcare.zdnet.com/?p=984

[fef714]

The brand new iProd!!!!

works like a cattle prod, looks like iPod

[r23w]

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html

[AidenShaw]

The only possible way I'll even consider an "iProd" is if the ssd has at least 32 gb...and even 32gb isn't hardly enough for me these days...

Hold out for 32 GB ...

[InTheUnion]

It'd be kinda nice if the tablet dual-booted with the full Mac OS and the iPhone OS for low power consumption.

But that's just a nice dream. :)

[Thex1138]

The Plot Thickens :cool:

[AlexisV]

Old news! My mum has referred to my iPod Touch as an 'iProd from day 1!

[WLS]

Maybe it's the iPhone for China Mobile, since it's hacked to crap due to Chinese regulations.

wouldn't that be called the icrap then? Besides wouldn't the Iprod be pronouced as the "Iplod" there? Just asking. :D

[jon86]

... There has been no evidence that Snow Leopard will support the ARM architecture. You are wishing too hard and ignoring the obvious. This will run a modified version of the iPhone OS. ...

Exactly. The iPod Touch and iPhones run on ARM CPUs and it seems the new tablet will be based on ARM too.

[ThunderSkunk]

1. I just sat in a chair, at the DMV for three hours listening to one of you nutcases blabbering on to your fairly hot (though, at my age, all 17 year old girls look hot) girlfriend who was trying her best to feign interest, about everything from some snippet of an obscure steve jobs interview, to what parts orders were placed when, to what processor works with what frickin OS to what games are going to run 10x faster on a unit just like the iphone in two years to...

2. As much as I'd love a real mac tablet (for graphics professionals. remember us? yes, hi apple) I'm starting to think Apple is specifically catering more & more to the wants and needs of teeny-boppers w/disposable income.

3. Conclusion: This tablet is going to be a toy, and the people who are starving for it, who make it the #1 most wanted device, will still be stuck with Axiotron. Whoopee.

[Thex1138]

I smell Peer To Peer .... video/audio ? ...first via WiFi/3G [0,1] but now it seems via hard wired network Ethernet/USB [1,1] in craddle...

Yup... looks like running iPhone OS as well.

[thoshino]

I'm sorry, but here comes another cattle prod joke. Imagine it's the keynote of WWDC 2010.

- Good morning. <displays sales figures for the last 6 months>
We at Apple have always loved cows. But we thought that current cow-prodding technology didn't give a satisfactory experience. Usually cow prods are expensive, not very easy to use, and they don't have any features for sharing your experiences that you get with for instance the iPod or the iPhone.
So what we did is that we took what's good about the original cow prod, like getting to see cows run away in fear, and we added some of the features from our other great products such as the iPhone and the iPod. So basically what we did was that we reinvented the cattle prod and it's a great product and we're going to show it to you <dramatic pause> right now. Isn't that great!? <pause for applause>

Now <dramatic pause> Introducing <pause> the new iProd! <pause for applause> with 10000 Volts, 3.2 Mpixel camera, GPS, WiFi and 3G connectivity which lets you share all your cow shocking experiences instantly with all your friends online. It lets you take a picture while you're shocking a cow and stick it as a pin on a map showing where the prodding was done. OR <pause> why not use the auto-find function at a wifi-hotspot to see who's up for a little electric cow-tipping. <disclaimer text: Apple takes no responsibility for injuries and does not endorse cruelty to animals>

Isn't that great!? It's a new great product and what does it cost?
The new iProd <short recap> starts at just $599 and we're shipping it starting <pause> today. Isn't that great!?

[Ericatomars]

I think it's gonna be the tablet. Hmm fun to play with im sure but what would be a real reason to buy. hmm if rumor is right next gen or ipods and camera. So if this is correct should the tablet have a camera as well... If its touch I cant imagine much writing would be fun...

[no.1 Apple Fan]

People do not not seem to get that the plain $100 iPhone 3G IS the iPhone Nano. Would you rather have a scaled down iPhone for $100, or a real iPhone for $100?

[iBeast]

Why does MacRumors encourage and reward people to break the NDA around the Beta SDK's??

[AidenShaw]

Why does MacRumors encourage and reward people to break the NDA around the Beta SDK's??

Because it's the only way to compete with on open development cycle like Windows 7 ???

[SandynJosh]

wouldn't that be called the icrap then? Besides wouldn't the Iprod be pronouced as the "Iplod" there? Just asking. :D

If that is the case, it would be called the "iClap."

On another note, I believe the iProd will be a personal protection device for people moving around in public. Think of it as a combo, Taser, iPod and iPhone for calling 911.

"Stand back, I have an iProd and I'm not afraid to use it!"

[twoodcc]

i hope it is the tablet, and it comes out next month

[mathcolo]

:confused: If iProd turns out to be the actual name of a product, I'll go out and buy a Zune :rolleyes:

But I guess that's pretty unlikely...

[AidenShaw]

I wonder if it will have a bright, shiny LED backlit Apple logo for the posers at Starbucks to show off....

[dernhelm]

It's a typo. They left it in to throw off the rumor sites.

[musukosan]

As already noted above, the website contains this info:

THE makers of the iPod are working on a digital personal trainer that can measure a user’s heart rate, recommend an exercise regime and even design a healthy meal.

The device being developed by Apple, nicknamed the iProd, combines the internet technology of the iPod with a series of body sensors and specially designed software.

The nickname comes from a feature by which the machine reprimands the user if they fail to finish an exercise routine.

From this website:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

in fact, check this one out:

http://healthcare.zdnet.com/?p=984


hmmm.... Interesting. This explains the iProd name. Where did the name come from? The articles say it's called iProd, but don't say if that's Apple's name or the nickname techies gave it.

[dernhelm]

Because it's the only way to compete with on open development cycle like Windows 7 ???

:confused:

This makes no sense on at least 3 levels.

1) Having an "open development cycle" on OS/X is already happening. Check out Darwin. It's more open than Win 7. Apple has been touting Snow Leopard features for what seems like forever. OS/X is on no more a closed development cycle than windows is.

2) Microsoft does NOT use an an open development cycle for any of its hardware products either. Zune HD wasn't open. Neither was any of the XBox systems. Rumors swirled around those products. Is that a bad thing?

3) What does a rumor site have to gain by apple moving to an open development cycle, anyway. This place gets traffic because people are interested in what apple is doing, and apple is not completely forthcoming about its upcoming technology.

MacRumors thrives because nobody knows what Apple is doing, and people care. ZuneRumors would fail not because everyone knows what the next gen Zune is going to do, but simply because nobody cares.

People who break NDA give this site something interesting to post, which drives traffic. Its as simple as that.

[alent1234]

Why does MacRumors encourage and reward people to break the NDA around the Beta SDK's??

because apple feeds the rumor sites intentionally. if they wanted to keep it secret, they would not have put the iprod in the dev version of the OS

[AidenShaw]

1) Having an "open development cycle" on OS/X is already happening. Check out Darwin. It's more open than Win 7. Apple has been touting Snow Leopard features for what seems like forever. OS/X is on no more a closed development cycle than windows is.

Then where are the public 10.6 beta and release candidates being hosted for download from Apple's servers?

Why has there been confusion about whether 10.6 will support PPC or even the early Yonah Intel systems?

Why is there still debate about which systems will have True 64-bit support in 10.6, and which will have the bastardized 10.5 style support?


Zune HD wasn't open.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/28/zune-hd-hands-on/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/zunehd_hands01.jpg

Where are the Iprod stories to match?


3) What does a rumor site have to gain by apple moving to an open development cycle, anyway.

What does that have to do with the topic?

[Rot'nApple]

I think, therefore, iProd! :D

[Thex1138]

hmmm.... Interesting. This explains the iProd name. Where did the name come from? The articles say it's called iProd, but don't say if that's Apple's name or the nickname techies gave it.

Lodged in 2007?

I notice the FPGA still sits quietly in the list. :rolleyes:

[beamer8912]

"iPod2,2" = new nano with camera
"iPod3,1" = new Touch with camera and GPS
"iPhone3,1" = the China iPhone
"iProd1,1" = the Jesus tablet

seems a realistic lineup of new products.

Not sure about the others but the iPhone3,1 is incorrect. "China" iPhone? They wouldn't designate an entire update to china. Especially a 2,1 to 3,1 update.

The 3,1 is the next year's iPhone. The 2,1 to 3,1 goes along with a new processor much like the 3G to 3GS was 1,2 to 2,1. An integer upgrade seems to indicate a processor change, and I would expect it to be the new dual core processor.

[frjonah]

Is it just me, or is everyone else wondering what this so-called "Unknown Hardware" is :D

I mean, the possibilities are endless... maybe it's a touchscreen rubix cube, or a multi-touch iRack like the one featured in the YouTube video.

[corywoolf]

Unlikely, but maybe it's an at&t based competitor for Verizon's new MiFi. Think of an Airport Express that has a built in 3G connection that can be shared with up to 5 other computers. Not sure who would buy it other then businesses, the target audience of Verizon's MiFi.
iProd= iProductivity

http://blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/verizon-mifi-2200.jpg

[TuffLuffJimmy]

/facepalm.gif @half the people in this thread.

"It appears that it's going to be running some version of OS X iPhone instead of Mac"


Duh, it hasn't been showing in OS X Mac updates only in iPhone software. It's blatantly obvious it will be running iPhone software and not Mac. Don't act like you came to a conclusion worth writing about.

[danvdr]

It could run Snow Leopard if it doesn't use an ARM chip.

G5 tablet.
Next Tuesday :D

[kockgunner]

The iPhone 3,1 reference makes my month old 3GS feel sad.

[cdinca]

(though, at my age, all 17 year old girls look hot)

if you are not a kid, that is pretty dang creepy.

[Goona]

Could be a tablet, could be something else. If it is a tablet, it might just as well run the iPhone OS, as I don't think snow leopard was made with touch in mind like windows 7 is.

UNLESS, it uses OSX, but a spechil mode for touch

Mac OSX already has multi touch in it.

[Goona]

Any developers out there? A question - assuming this new device runs on iPhone 3.1 OS, how will apps (new and/or already developed) scale as far as screen size? Assuming it's a 10" screen will apps display in a smaller font, showing more on the screen (I hope)? Will existing apps be able to run okay without being rewritten?

Personally I am very excited about this device. I've been wanting something like a net book for a long time now and this new device, even if it just runs 3.1 would suit me fine.

One thing though, IMO price is very important. If Apple wants to sell to the masses as opposed to Apple fans like us, if the device is just a glorified Touch they had better keep the price less than $500. Anything more and folks won't buy it. Just my opinion.
ipod touch is 400 dollars, doubt it would be less than 500 dollars.

[Target362]

People do not not seem to get that the plain $100 iPhone 3G IS the iPhone Nano. Would you rather have a scaled down iPhone for $100, or a real iPhone for $100?

no, its just an iPhone.

Define a "Real" iPhone.

a scaled down version won't be bad, after all, thats what the mac mini and shuffle are.

not everyone wants the fancy bells and whistles.

:confused: If iProd turns out to be the actual name of a product, I'll go out and buy a Zune :rolleyes:

But I guess that's pretty unlikely...

who says its a media player?

I wonder if it will have a bright, shiny LED backlit Apple logo for the posers at Starbucks to show off....

Really? I thought I saw you at Starbucks this morning



Mac OSX already has multi touch in it.

but its not fully intergrated. not made for it, as good old Stevie thinks multi-touch macs are not "hip" these days

[Sam Yikin]

It has been proven that iPhone2,1 is the iPhone 3GS, as many predicted. So that's one mystery of these product identifiers solved.
But then Apple just HAD to throw in another iProd....:rolleyes:

iPhone3,1 = The next major revision of the iPhone, likely coming next June. Possibly the iPhone prototype that the Chinese worker lost...?
I, personally, doubt that a change like the China-specific version of the iPhone would take the 3,1 tag, which suggests a major change that would normally be reserved for a significant upgrade.

iProd0,1 = Most likely a prototype device of whatever the "iProd" turns out to be. As far as I know, all Apple first-gen products have the 1,1 identifier, which fits with...

iProd1,1 = Likely the near-final first gen version of the "iProd," which some speculate to be the fabled tablet or some kind of exercise-assisting divice. I'm no expert in these string identifiers, so I have no idea what the addition of "Ethernet" to the USB connection string means. This product's appearance in a recent iPhone software beta could mean:
1. Apple has been trying to keep it quiet, thus keeping references to it out of iPhone software up until "the last minute" (ie September/October release);
2. The device has just reached a stage in development where it is able to run the iPhone software, which means it is likely a long way from release.

The iPod2,2 and 3,1 are the parts of this that confuse me the most. Someone mentioned earlier that iPod 2,2 could be the next iPod nano, which would have to mean that the next nano will run the iPhone software, which I strongly doubt.
These identifiers suggest to me that the next (September) iPod will be the 2,2 upgrade, leaving the 3,1 upgrade to be a more major change in the next product cycle. This would mean that the next iPod touch will be a more minor revision, which seems to contradict the Apple's marketing of the touch as a game device (wouldn't they want it to at least match the 3GS performance-wise?) and the nearly-confirmed additions of a camera and microphone, which (I think) would usually qualify for the kind of large upgrade that would use the 3,1 branding.
So 2,2 could be an internal thing that may never see the light of day, or it could just be the next revision of the iPod touch.

Oh, and the iFGPA.... no clue.

[Thex1138]

Can someone with acces please expand the 'Devices->iFPGA' device thread from the USBDeviceConfiguration.plist references in the OS 3.1 beta file and display that capture here?

Field Programmable Gate Array.

I am curious. :rolleyes:

Cheers

[iBeast]

So basically MacRumors encourages people to break the NDA to drive traffic to the site and get Ad revenue? How noble...

[AidenShaw]

Mac OSX already has multi touch in it.

Which Mac OSX systems have multi-touch screens?

None.

It's a big step from gestures on a track-pad, to multi-touch screen UIs.

Windows has it in people's hands now, Apple doesn't even have any Mac hardware that supports multi-touch screens.

Microsoft is far ahead of Apple in multi-touch systems. Period.

[Sam Yikin]

So basically MacRumors encourages people to break the NDA to drive traffic to the site and get Ad revenue? How noble...

MacRumors is not encouraging anything here, just reporting on already-leaked info, which, well, is their job.
Notice that this report did not even originate with MacRumors.

[Goona]

no, its just an iPhone.

Define a "Real" iPhone.

a scaled down version won't be bad, after all, thats what the mac mini and shuffle are.

not everyone wants the fancy bells and whistles.



who says its a media player?



Really? I thought I saw you at Starbucks this morning





but its not fully intergrated. not made for it, as good old Stevie thinks multi-touch macs are not "hip" these days

How is the implementation on Snow Leopard any different from Windows 7? :confused:

[Goona]

Which Mac OSX systems have multi-touch screens?

None.

It's a big step from gestures on a track-pad, to multi-touch screen UIs.

Windows has it in people's hands now, Apple doesn't even have any Mac hardware that supports multi-touch screens.

Microsoft is far ahead of Apple in multi-touch systems. Period.

We are talking about it being implemented in the OS and not if you can control it by touching a screen, Apple doesn't sell multitouch screens so your point is irrelevant.

[AidenShaw]

We are talking about it being implemented in the OS and not if you can control it by touching a screen, Apple doesn't sell multitouch screens so your point is irrelevant.

Your counter is irrelevant.

Multi-touch screens are night-and-day different from a track-pad that supports gestures.

Apple has a track-pad with gestures, not a multi-touch system. Windows has pervasive multi-touch throughout the OS.

Look at people using an Iphone - they're touching the things that they're working with. They're not poking at some disconnected HID.

Night-and-day. Apple does gestures using more than one finger in OSX, not true multi-touch like Windows 7 and the Iphone.


Apple doesn't sell multitouch screens....

...but I bet that Apple is scrambling to catch up with Windows on this.

[mambodancer]

Your counter is irrelevant.

Multi-touch screens are night-and-day different from a track-pad that supports gestures.

Apple has a track-pad with gestures, not a multi-touch system. Windows has pervasive multi-touch throughout the OS.

Look at people using an Iphone - they're touching the things that they're working with. They're not poking at some disconnected HID.

Night-and-day. Apple does gestures using more than one finger in OSX, not true multi-touch like Windows 7 and the Iphone.


...but I bet that Apple is scrambling to catch up with Windows on this.

What pervasive systems are you talking about? I didn't see a single Windows multi-touch system at any of the last half dozen stores I went to. I'd love to see a demo but the dozen laptops at Microcenter didn't support it nor were any of the 30-40 or so screens.

[bunty]

Introducing the iProd,

The brand new totally reinvented iPod. Now featuring a revolutionary radio transmitter. Picking up both AM and FM frequencies. Yours for only 349$

Transmitters pick up frequencies?

[bunty]

What pervasive systems are you talking about? I didn't see a single Windows multi-touch system at any of the last half dozen stores I went to. I'd love to see a demo but the dozen laptops at Microcenter didn't support it nor were any of the 30-40 or so screens.

Maybe the ones that'll be in the new Microsoft stores, the Surface tables that we'll be able to play with, ask if we can buy one and be told, "... er...erm...no. But this laptop is on sale!"

[AidenShaw]

What pervasive systems are you talking about? I didn't see a single Windows multi-touch system at any of the last half dozen stores I went to. I'd love to see a demo but the dozen laptops at Microcenter didn't support it nor were any of the 30-40 or so screens.

They're probably not in Walmart yet....

http://www.sonic.com/about/press/news/2009/04/multitouch.aspx


It is on the leading edge - but when you see "multi-touch" advertised big and loud when Windows 7 ships shortly you'll see what's happening.

http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/touchsmart/notebook/index.html

http://www.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/notebooks/laptop-latitude-xt2/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-latitude-xt2&s=biz&cs=555

http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/latit/latit_highlights/laptop-latitude-xt2-overview1.jpg

[Eidorian]

What pervasive systems are you talking about? I didn't see a single Windows multi-touch system at any of the last half dozen stores I went to. I'd love to see a demo but the dozen laptops at Microcenter didn't support it nor were any of the 30-40 or so screens.My local Sam's Club has the Dell Studio 19" w/ Touch Screen. It's pretty nice even under Vista.

It's a nice perk but nothing I'd use for a prolonged period of time.

[littledude8209]

Dear Stevie,

iProd = Face-Palm

[Goona]

Your counter is irrelevant.

Multi-touch screens are night-and-day different from a track-pad that supports gestures.

Apple has a track-pad with gestures, not a multi-touch system. Windows has pervasive multi-touch throughout the OS.

Look at people using an Iphone - they're touching the things that they're working with. They're not poking at some disconnected HID.

Night-and-day. Apple does gestures using more than one finger in OSX, not true multi-touch like Windows 7 and the Iphone.




...but I bet that Apple is scrambling to catch up with Windows on this.

What the heck is true multi touch, the implementation on the track pads is multi touch, just because you aren't directly touching the screen with your oily fingers, doesn't make it any less of multi touch. Anyways we'll see which implementation ends up on top, touching your screen or using a trackpad.

[dbike02]

The iProdigy might be the name.

[Target362]

Which Mac OSX systems have multi-touch screens?

None.

It's a big step from gestures on a track-pad, to multi-touch screen UIs.

Windows has it in people's hands now, Apple doesn't even have any Mac hardware that supports multi-touch screens.

Microsoft is far ahead of Apple in multi-touch systems. Period.

Exactly. All Apple has for multi-touch is the ipod Touch/Iphone and a silly trackpad. But no actual systems.

We are talking about it being implemented in the OS and not if you can control it by touching a screen, Apple doesn't sell multitouch screens so your point is irrelevant.

but wouldnt it make sence to have systems that have multi-touch, and not just the OS.

What pervasive systems are you talking about? I didn't see a single Windows multi-touch system at any of the last half dozen stores I went to. I'd love to see a demo but the dozen laptops at Microcenter didn't support it nor were any of the 30-40 or so screens.

HP Touch smart?

Keep in mind, its still new. So you shound't be complaining that there arnt that many out yet

[Goona]

The trackpad isn't anymore sillier than touching your screen.

[Target362]

What the heck is true multi touch, the implementation on the track pads is multi touch, just because you aren't directly touching the screen with your oily fingers, doesn't make it any less of multi touch. Anyways we'll see which implementation ends up on top, touching your screen or using a trackpad.

How about a trackpad with an ACTUAL button.

[Target362]

What the heck is true multi touch, the implementation on the track pads is multi touch, just because you aren't directly touching the screen with your oily fingers, doesn't make it any less of multi touch. Anyways we'll see which implementation ends up on top, touching your screen or using a trackpad.

The trackpad isn't anymore sillier than touching your screen.

how so?

[Marx55]

THE FULL Mac OS X inside is a must. For Keynote and PowerPoint presentations using video-out port.

Here is an order of thousands for our University.

[bedifferent]

How about a trackpad with an ACTUAL button.

Um, the glass MacBook Pro trackpads have two "buttons", the bottom left and right corners physically "click" for configurable left and right buttons.

[DMann]

Your counter is irrelevant.

Multi-touch screens are night-and-day different from a track-pad that supports gestures.

Apple has a track-pad with gestures, not a multi-touch system. Windows has pervasive multi-touch throughout the OS.

Look at people using an Iphone - they're touching the things that they're working with. They're not poking at some disconnected HID.

Night-and-day. Apple does gestures using more than one finger in OSX
not true multi-touch like Windows 7 and the Iphone.




...but I bet that Apple is scrambling to catch up with Windows on this.Yep, seems that it was rather challenging to pull off, in May of 2008: Full screen Multitouch OS X (http://gizmodo.com/391103/full+screen-multitouch-mac-os-x-is-here-but-not-from-apple)

....not that you come off sounding like a ranting 12 year old, or anything like that.

[vettori]

It's the tablet !

i
P = product
r = rumors
o = often
d = debate

[cmdmedia]

Thisis certainly interesting as only yesterday in the tube station coming out of London I was next to someone who appeared to have a smaller version of an iPhone similar in dimensions to the last generation iPod nano.

[Bonte]

Originally Posted by Bonte
"iPod2,2" = new nano with camera
"iPod3,1" = new Touch with camera and GPS
"iPhone3,1" = the China iPhone
"iProd1,1" = the Jesus tablet

seems a realistic lineup of new products.
Not sure about the others but the iPhone3,1 is incorrect. "China" iPhone? They wouldn't designate an entire update to china. Especially a 2,1 to 3,1 update.

The 3,1 is the next year's iPhone. The 2,1 to 3,1 goes along with a new processor much like the 3G to 3GS was 1,2 to 2,1. An integer upgrade seems to indicate a processor change, and I would expect it to be the new dual core processor.

The China model probably won't have wifi and some other hardware and service differences, it certainly justifies his own modelnumber i would think.

As an extra, the iPhone 4G for the 4G network will have model number 4.x :)

[Thex1138]

The China model probably won't have wifi and some other hardware and service differences, it certainly justifies his own modelnumber i would think.

As an extra, the iPhone 4G for the 4G network will have model number 4.x :)

They're probably change the manufacture process to ignore or disable the wifi chipset...

[Bonte]

They're probably change the manufacture process to ignore or disable the wifi chipset...

I don't think China will accept the same iPhone with the wifi only disabled, the wifi-controller chip will have to be removed completely. Thus making it a new hardware configuration with a new model-number.

[AidenShaw]

Yep, seems that it was rather challenging to pull off, in May of 2008: Full screen Multitouch OS X (http://gizmodo.com/391103/full+screen-multitouch-mac-os-x-is-here-but-not-from-apple)

....not that you come off sounding like a ranting 12 year old, or anything like that.

You counter with a link to Flash prototype of a multi-touch system? Where is the download from Apple of a multi-touch system, and multi-touch screen capable hardware from Apple?

And to quote from your link:
JD: And for the multitouch screen?
CM: I use a ~box from naturalui. It's ghetto tech, I know, but I developed the majority of Lux on a cardboard box. And it works great.

And then you throw in personal insults?

[i.mac]

...

Microsoft is far ahead of Apple in multi-touch systems. Period.

ms is ahead in bloated crapware, and the related hardware requires a crane to transport.

msakes money by exploiting folks inability to differentiate quality products.

[borcanm]

Sweet. An overly expensive cattle prod made by Apple.

[AidenShaw]

...the related hardware requires a crane to transport...

Dell Latitude XT2 - 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet (http://www.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/notebooks/laptop-latitude-xt2/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-latitude-xt2&s=biz&cs=555)

http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/latit/latit_highlights/laptop-latitude-xt2-overview2.jpg

Weight & Dimensions: 3.62 lbs/1.64 kg3
Width: 11.7"/297mm
Depth: 8.7"/220.6mm
Height: 1.1"/27.4mm


Smaller and 1.4 lbs (.63kg) lighter than a MacBook, smaller and .88 lbs (.40kg) lighter than a 13" MacBook Pro.


HP TX2 TouchSmart 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet (http://www.shopping.hp.com/series/category/notebooks/tx2z_series/3/computer_store?jumpid=re_r602_tx2_promo_body_psg_nov08_HHO) - $799.99

http://hpshopping.speedera.net/www.shopping.hp.com//shopping/images/products/tx2zseries_300.jpg

Weight: 4.65 lbs


Lighter than a MacBook, a bit heavier than the 13" MBP.

Yes, a crane could carry it.... ;)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CBIQTQC9ZQ8/R1HmBIdDxRI/AAAAAAAAAbs/eykG-uo_0rM/s1600-R/WHCRfly.jpg

[Cousin Dirk]

Not sure about the others but the iPhone3,1 is incorrect. "China" iPhone? They wouldn't designate an entire update to china. Especially a 2,1 to 3,1 update.

The 3,1 is the next year's iPhone. The 2,1 to 3,1 goes along with a new processor much like the 3G to 3GS was 1,2 to 2,1. An integer upgrade seems to indicate a processor change, and I would expect it to be the new dual core processor.

I don't think you're right there. For a start, as has been noted, there are a few hardware changes under the hood for the China iPhone. If the China iPhone wasn't 3,1 it would at least be 2,2, but there seems to be no evidence of that.

Secondly, I doubt we'd be seeing evidence of the next generation iPhone so soon, especially since it was showing up before the 3G S came out.

Finally, the next iPhone will most likely not run iPhone OS 3.0, but 4.0, meaning its probable 4,1 identifier wouldn't show up in the 3.0 software.

[Cousin Dirk]

Dell Latitude XT2 - 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet (http://www.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/notebooks/laptop-latitude-xt2/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-latitude-xt2&s=biz&cs=555)

http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/latit/latit_highlights/laptop-latitude-xt2-overview2.jpg

Weight & Dimensions: 3.62 lbs/1.64 kg3
Width: 11.7"/297mm
Depth: 8.7"/220.6mm
Height: 1.1"/27.4mm


Smaller and 1.4 lbs (.63kg) lighter than a MacBook, smaller and .88 lbs (.40kg) lighter than a 13" MacBook Pro.

Yep, and with Dell's build and design quality it will be like it was made out of wet cardboard.

[Cydonia]

iPhone OS itself is based on OSX. It's just scaled down to run on iPhone. The OS X is very flexible when it comes to accommodating different devices. All Apple has to do is add a brand new GUI to the iPhone OS that'll be some kind of a touch-based desktop with Finder, Dock Expose, Stacks, Expose, Dashboard as well and some kind of method of entering information either via a virtual keyboard or a stylus and you got your new iTablet OS.

Sorry for the bad PS - 2 mins at work.

[hashholly]

I don't think you're right there. For a start, as has been noted, there are a few hardware changes under the hood for the China iPhone. If the China iPhone wasn't 3,1 it would at least be 2,2, but there seems to be no evidence of that.

Secondly, I doubt we'd be seeing evidence of the next generation iPhone so soon, especially since it was showing up before the 3G S came out.

Finally, the next iPhone will most likely not run iPhone OS 3.0, but 4.0, meaning its probable 4,1 identifier wouldn't show up in the 3.0 software.

Why would a China IPhone be 2,2? I wouldn't be surprised that the China IPhone runs the same 2,1 firmware as the iPhone or maybe even a 2,0 (though more unlikely) seeing as the main differences from the 3GS would be lack of camera....sure they dont have a 3G network over there, but the 3GS can fall back to the EDGE network they do have.

Yes we would see evidence of a next gen iphone already, do you remember the article about the Foxconn Employee losing a 4th generation Iphone prototype? You dont think they start working on these things years in advance?

Sure in the end it will be running 4.0, but why is it far fetched to think they wouldnt be testing it out with the current 3.0 firmware? The next Iphone will be 3,1 considering it will more than likely have an LTE chip.

[chedda]

Everytime i throw something from my dock i remember the Newton ! wasn't it Steve who said the world was not ready for the Newton and it was before it's time perhaps this time is nigh ? Afterall ink and it's power should not be overlooked.

[t0mat0]

You counter with a link to Flash prototype of a multi-touch system? Where is the download from Apple of a multi-touch system, and multi-touch screen capable hardware from Apple?

Presume the iPhone doesn't count for now? Back of my mind, i'm reminded that the WWDC 2009 State of the Union address was changed from “Mac OS X State of the Union” to “Core OS State of the Union”.

Whilst it might be too great of a leap to imagine MBP's with a multitouch overlay on their glassy displays that do multitouch, with the trackpad doing its job as before - I'd imagine once a Tablet is out of the bag, Apple will be showing where it's going a bit more?

Curious about the iFGPA - no 0,1 - it's not a product in of itself, but it's being tested with 3.1 OS?
ANd what about the iPhone 3,1 -if that's the next iPhone already being tested - interesting to see it's capable of running 3.1, rather than needing a different OS? Or maybe they haven't got any huge hardware changes that would require it? (e.g. bumped Mpixel camera might not require a change, but maybe a multicore processor might?)

[AidenShaw]

Presume the iPhone doesn't count for now?

Note that earlier I said:

Apple does gestures using more than one finger in OSX, not true multi-touch like Windows 7 and the Iphone.

OSX and Apples do multiple finger gestures on the trackpad. That's very, very different from screen multi-touch like Windows 7 and the Iphone.


Whilst it might be too great of a leap to imagine MBP's with a multitouch overlay on their glassy displays that do multitouch, with the trackpad doing its job as before - I'd imagine once a Tablet is out of the bag, Apple will be showing where it's going a bit more?

Like I said, Apple's scrambling to catch up - but a giant Ipod Touch isn't the same as multi-touch screens in OSX. If the tablet uses the phone OS, Apple still has a lot of work to do.

[sishaw]

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

Nice. As an experienced procrastinator, I could use this.

[ODog4523]

iProd means "I Product"..So it seems the "tablet device" will be labeled within the iPod lineup.

Maybe even the iBook Touch ?

Good call on that angle. They could easily kill the Kindle and co with an eReader that reads and writes .doc .pdf .xls etc, AND plays music and videos, AND runs Safari as well as the IPhone, AND runs App Store apps.

A new ITunes book store could come with that.

I could easily seem them going this route, particularly after hearing over and over how hardlined they are about not getting into the "netbook" market.

And if you think there's not a big enough market for eReader type devices, just think back...how many people "needed" a smartphone before the IPhone came around? :)

Apple can nudge the industry any way they want.

[t0mat0]

I'd agree AidenShaw - Apple seems ahead and also behind on multi-touch - they have a decent multi-touch gesture interface through the trackpads of their laptops,but as you rightly mention this is different to the screen multi-touch of Windows 7 and iPhone.
I'd imagine we'd find out more about a screen multi-touch system for a tablet when it pretty much gets announced. Apple has and is scrambling to catch up - 1st iPhone release, movement to 3rd party apps, the App Store review system. In all that though, there's a lot to enjoy whilst they progress.

Could you have both trackpad gestures and mouse control, with screen multi-touch running? It seems going from the iPhone to a Tablet is crossing paradigms, or what is an optimal UI potentially. Just as Windows doesn't scale down well to a phone (WM), and Apple had to hack down the OS to make the iPhone OS, a Tablet sized device with multi-touch has it's own issues - It's a smalelr screen than their smallest laptop, but more than double the size of their largest screen iPod. Much catching up, but then neither Windows 7 nor Snow Leopard is out yet.

I'd imagine the tablet would not have the straight iPhone OS. Looking at the iphone 2,1 which became the iPhone 3GS after 5 months, would that indicate the iPhone 3,1 seen could point to a iPhone 4th generation come February, or at least prior to June? Or will we see another year wait?
iFPGA still remains unresolved. Why did the iProd go from standardMuxPTP to standardMuxPTPEthernet?

[Cosmi]

iProd + iFPGA = Tablet + First Person Gaming Armour?

If this iProd is supposed to be a tablet that will also be a great gaming device, seems to me it will need some extra buttons anyway. So this iFPGA would not be a stand alone computing device, hence no numbers in its reference. I know Apple usually lets other manufacturers be creative with toys to enhance their computer devices, but maybe this one is too important because it would heavily interact with the iProd and all its sensors. So what about this iFPGA is some kind of enhanced Playstation type of controller that you can click to the iProd as if they were one?

[AidenShaw]

Could you have both trackpad gestures and mouse control, with screen multi-touch running?

Windows 7 allows multiple mouses, trackpads, pointing sticks and multi-touch screen all simultaneously active.

I tend to use keyboard, mouse/stick and screen to do what feels right.

Screen swipes to scroll windows, touch web links and buttons to follow, type text on the keyboard, use mouse for fine select control.

Has anyone here with a touch screen phone ever poked the screen of your laptop to do something? I've been doing that - it's really quite natural, and it's nice that now when you poke the laptop screen that it does what you wanted.

[Thomas2006]

What are the chances Apple has licensed Wacom's professional pen technology to compliment their own offerings?

[firewood]

Dell Latitude XT2 - 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet

Weight & Dimensions: 3.62 lbs/1.64 kg3
Width: 11.7"/297mm
Depth: 8.7"/220.6mm
Height: 1.1"/27.4mm


Smaller and 1.4 lbs (.63kg) lighter than a MacBook, smaller and .88 lbs (.40kg) lighter than a 13" MacBook Pro.

HP TX2 TouchSmart 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet

Weight: 4.65 lbs


Lighter than a MacBook, a bit heavier than the 13" MBP.



And exactly how well are these models selling compared to MacBooks and iPod Touches? I've only seen maybe one of these at the nearby college campus, compared to hundreds of other laptops and netbooks. Why would Apple want to invest in a product that sells so poorly?

Plus, they're both around 4 times heavier than anything I'd want for a touch device.

[AidenShaw]

And exactly how well are these models selling compared to MacBooks and iPod Touches?

Relevance?

These are leading edge machines, with a major market being the Windows 7 developers who are and have been building applications around the pervasive multi-touch APIs in Windows 7. When Windows 7 formally ships in October, there are going to be lots of applications and many more systems with multi-touch screens available.

The real test is going to be: "How many of the top-selling laptops this holiday season are Windows 7 multi-touch systems?"


Plus, they're both around 4 times heavier than anything I'd want for a touch device.

I disagree - I'd like every laptop and system to be multi-touch. Especially with a laptop, it's convenient to be able to use the multi-touch UI whenever the whim strikes.

On the other hand, if the device is multi-touch only, and has no keyboard or pointing device - I think that something around the size of the 6" Kindle would be the upper limit for size.

[Bubba Satori]

msakes money by exploiting folks inability to differentiate quality products.

It's a shame they're not as smart as you. :rolleyes:

[Veinticinco]

It's looking more and more likely that the Tablet will run some version of the iPhone OS as opposed to OS X.
= Commercial Failure ;)

[DMann]

You counter with a link to Flash prototype of a multi-touch system? Where is the download from Apple of a multi-touch system, and multi-touch screen capable hardware from Apple?

And to quote from your link:


And then you throw in personal insults?That is correct - if Multitouch for OS X is that easy to set up via free open framework, you somehow feel that Apple will need to be "scrambling" to catch up? If they do decide to implement full Multitouch on a tablet, one would imagine that the screen would be constructed of durable glass, which will be much easier to clean - unlike the comparatively fragile, thin, and possibly, matte surface of a laptop LCD, one which you are so fond of 'poking'.


Speaking of personal insults, it's a good thing that the previous posters' descriptions were deleted, as they were quite direct, shall we say.

[Target362]

ms is ahead in bloated crapware, and the related hardware requires a crane to transport.

msakes money by exploiting folks inability to differentiate quality products.

Microsoft has no control over what PC makers do.:rolleyes:

[gorbok]

iProd means "I Product"..So it seems the "tablet device" will be labeled within the iPod lineup.

Maybe even the iBook Touch ?

Surely "iProd" is a play on words, with 'prod' (meaning 'to poke or thrust abruptly', not solely used in relation to cattle) being inserted into iPod. Like a more intense iPod Touch. That was my initial thought anyway.

It's probably an in-joke between the developers, who use it as a working title for whatever it actually is (most likely the rumoured tablet).

[viniciusc]

Surely "iProd" is a play on words, with 'prod' (meaning 'to poke or thrust abruptly', not solely used in relation to cattle) being inserted into iPod. Like a more intense iPod Touch. That was my initial thought anyway.

It's probably an in-joke between the developers, who use it as a working title for whatever it actually is (most likely the rumoured tablet).

Or it's just an intentional easter egg to disseminate more Apple hype, considering Apple is well aware of "rumour" sekkers the who will look for every configuration file whenever a new product update comes out. :rolleyes:

[dernhelm]

Then where are the public 10.6 beta and release candidates being hosted for download from Apple's servers?

Why has there been confusion about whether 10.6 will support PPC or even the early Yonah Intel systems?

Why is there still debate about which systems will have True 64-bit support in 10.6, and which will have the bastardized 10.5 style support?


Where's the open source kernel for Win 7? Where is the guarantee from Microsoft that it will run on my "lesser" hardware? I keep being told that my laptop will be faster with Win 7, why can't MS put it in writing?

Where is the full feature list of everything that made the final cut in Win 7? Oh yeah, it doesn't exist, either. But I've been reading your posts lately, and at this point, I'm just feeding the troll.



http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/28/zune-hd-hands-on/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/zunehd_hands01.jpg

Where are the Iprod stories to match?


Zune HD was given to engadget after Microsoft decided it was ready to be "hyped". I know people who work on the Zune, and they couldn't and still can't tell me anything about what they are doing. Zune development isn't open, you're kidding yourself if you think it is.

iProd (whatever that is, if anything at all) won't be discussed by Apple until it is ready to be sold. So what? That makes it less open? I don't think so.



What does that have to do with the topic?


Well, you asked why people break NDA and I told you. It was the only part of the post that had ANYTHING to do with the topic.

[jman800]

Or... It could be a decoy to make us NOT think of the NEW IPHONE?!? :eek:
SHOCKING I KNOW.

:D

[Marx55]

And exactly how well are these models selling compared to MacBooks and iPod Touches? I've only seen maybe one of these at the nearby college campus, compared to hundreds of other laptops and netbooks. Why would Apple want to invest in a product that sells so poorly?

Plus, they're both around 4 times heavier than anything I'd want for a touch device.

EXACTLY. Weight is the key. As LIGHT as possible!

[RyanR.]

Did anyone else noti e the vendor ID # is the same for both iProd's.?.:confused:

[dbike02]

Its a workout/ fitness device!

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html

[t0mat0]

iProd = Tablet ?

Seems a fairly logical guess, right?

All we have now is what the FPGA was...

[jav6454]

iProd = Tablet ?

Seems a fairly logical guess, right?

All we have now is what the FPGA was...

I was also thinking the same thing...

[t0mat0]

I was also thinking the same thing...

It was running OS 3 at the time

http://www.9to5mac.com/iProd-iFPGA-new-iphones

So the FPGA was for them doing FPGA emulation on the tablet/iPhone in-house? It seems less likely that Apple would have a FPGA in a product but I guess we'll see.