iPod Your BMW Official

[MacRumors]

Appearing on Apple's website (http://www.apple.com) today is the official release of the iPod Your BMW campaign that had been previously rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040621053524.shtml), thread (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040614163440.shtml) and had also appeared earlier in a magazine advertisement (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040617103701.shtml)

Connect with music like never before behind the wheel of your BMW 3 Series, and X3 and X5 SAV, Z4 Roadster or MINI. With the installation of an integrated adapter developed by Apple and BMW, you can now control your iPod or iPod mini through the existing audio system and multi-function steering wheel. Which means no loss of power. No loss of sound quality. No loss of control.

[rendezvouscp]

Looks very cool. Not as intrusive as I thought it would be. Nice plus for BMW owners of the supported models and new models. I wonder if other car manufacturers are being set up as well. Start another revolution. ;)
–Chase

P.S. My first first post! :D

[jimsowden]

Finally, now I can get that BMW to go with my iPod.

[narco]

They should have made the BMW logo on the steering wheel function as a scroll wheel for the iPod.

// narco

[robotrenegade]

I knew I should of got a BMW over the Benz.

[macridah]

http://www.apple.com/ipod/bmw/ is not up yet, but the link is on the page. Note to project manager: Do a test run first.

But by looking and the pics, there is no dock for the iPod? You just plug it in the glove box. There should be an optional mount kit for external access.

Cool news though. It came out earlier than I expected. I guess this is not good enough to be announced at the WWDC. The WWDC must have some super announcements. 1 week to go.

BTW, I'll wait until Apple partners up with another car manufacturer.

[puckhead193]

I hope apple does with lexus.....Any one have an ipod and a lexus (ES with navi) and hooked it up so it can work. I don't really care about controlling it from the steeringwheel or radio, just so i can get the audio from it?

Might I add that is the worest commerical, very poor apple...

[klaus]

now let's hear about the bmw g5, anybody know when he will be out? convertible or break?
:p

[uv23]

A bit humorous that they point to ipodyourbmw.com but the site is still inactive.

[henners]

http://images.apple.com/ipod/bmw/images/indextop06212004.jpg

This is really not an adequate solution, one has to reach over to plug the ipod in. Then it is not properly secured in. Once in, the user has no real control of the iPod, 5 playlists? What about all the other 40 GB+ music? A vague stab without the expected apple touch. Shame

[technocoy]

this is a little annoying and i must say dissapointing.

but i don't know the extent of this yet, so i will gripe no more.

[dizastor]

they stuck it in the glovebox? is that for real or just a photoshop joke?

EDIT: Saw the site... unbelieveably lame. I would have expected a more elegant solution.

[celina]

anybody take a look at the TV ad listed on the site yet? Is it just me or does the Apple logo at the end of the clip look completely wrong?

The URL in the clip doesn't look like it points to anything yet either, http://www.ipodyourbmw.com

[ebunton]

They should have made the BMW logo on the steering wheel function as a scroll wheel for the iPod.

// narco

erm... i don't think that would be a good idea.
it would introduce yet another control concept to be wrestled with while driving a car and i think that bmw is steering clear of adding yet more knobs and twiddly bits 8no pun intended)

[reaper]

Seems a bit sloppy to me. Maybe it'll be better in practice, but the details are a bit underwhelming.

- reaper

[robotrenegade]

anybody take a look at the TV ad listed on the site yet? Is it just me or does the Apple logo at the end of the clip look completely wrong?

The URL in the clip doesn't look like it points to anything yet either, http://www.ipodyourbmw.com

The link is gone!!!

[rendezvouscp]

anybody take a look at the TV ad listed on the site yet? Is it just me or does the Apple logo at the end of the clip look completely wrong?

Yeah, I noticed that too. The bottom left is really weird on the Apple. Hm.
–Chase

[rendezvouscp]

The link is gone!!!

Yeah, that's so funny, they removed it. Probably until it's online.
–Chase

[mgescuro]

Well, I would assume that the "clunkiness" of the setup is due to the technology limitations of the BMW. Notice that the vehicles that are compatible with this do not have the iDrive system installed?

If you are concerned about the "other 40GB of music," then create 5 playlists that incorporate the rest of the 40GB of music.

If I had a Bimmer, this would be sufficient. However, the compatible Bimmers aren't the ones I would even consider purchasing. :(



This is really not an adequate solution, one has to reach over to plug the ipod in. Then it is not properly secured in. Once in, the user has no real control of the iPod, 5 playlists? What about all the other 40 GB+ music? A vague stab without the expected apple touch. Shame

[technocoy]

that BMW did this, not apple. it's like alpine's thing. Apple is just capitalizing on the exposure by posting this. i am no longer mad at APPLE..

[ebunton]

anybody take a look at the TV ad listed on the site yet? Is it just me or does the Apple logo at the end of the clip look completely wrong?

The URL in the clip doesn't look like it points to anything yet either, http://www.ipodyourbmw.com

the apple logo looks completely wrong. :eek: eh? it looks like some quickie freehand job.

that's a marketing no no

Could it be that the reason that the iPod integration has not been introduced to the cars with the iDrive system because iDrive is based on Windows CE?

Then again, the 1 series (being released later this year in Germany anyway) is available with iDrive and also with iPod integration.

I certainly hope that they implement the iPod integration into their other series, as I may be purchasing one in the near future. It would be great with iDrive since that spinning doodad could be used in place of the scroll wheel.

[Freg3000]

http://www.apple.com/ipod/bmw/ is not up yet, but the link is on the page. Note to project manager: Do a test run first.


That link is up.

ipodyourbmw.com is not yet up.

I think this is an okay solution. 6/10 stars maybe?

Edit: Apple has removed ipodyourbmw.com and replaced it with http://www.bmwusa.com/ipod/

[crees!]

they stuck it in the glovebox? is that for real or just a photoshop joke?

Well, the glove box is probably where there are easy connections that can be made to install whatever you need to hook up your iPod. That's probably why it is located there.

[wPod]

wow, this will work great for my mom! i think. i forget if her BMW is an '01 or an '02. . . hopefully its an '02 so she can get this to work with her iPod mini.

i think the glove box is a good place. thatway you just turn your car off and leave. if its sitting out in a dock, you have to put it up, otherwise someone will look in see the iPod sitting in plain sight, break the window and grab it. that would be bad!!

ive been looking for an excuse to get a mini. . .the car not the iPod. . . this would be really cool!!!

[crees!]

To listen to iPod music in your BMW, you can either create up to five unique BMW playlists within iTunes, or choose to listen to your entire library. Once you’ve transferred your BMW playlists to your iPod, just plug your iPod into your glovebox adapter cable, select a playlist and you’re ready to take your tunes on the road.

I'm sure Apple would have made full access like we have now. I'm too lazy to look now but does Alpine's iPod-Ready system limit you like this?

[mgescuro]

This really isn't so bad. You plug in the iPod in the glove compartment, and it's out of the way. And everything else is controlled via the steering wheel controls, based on the creation of a few custom playlists.

I mean seriously people, what did you expect? A video-out to your Information Display system on your car mimicking the iPod display? Then I'm sure you all would be B**ching about the font used on the display. :eek:

This is a decent solution for people with compatible BMW's and iPods.

What APple needs to do now is work with the auto tech manufacturers and work to integrate iPod control systems into their cars, much the way Microsoft is doing with iDrive.

FOr example, APple works with DElphi Automotive to design and engineer iPod compatible systems that can be used by the automakers. But APple/Jobs tends to aim at the high market so... work with Mercedes, Lexus, Cadillac, Saab, Infiniti, and AUdi to get their audio systems more compatible with cleaner integration.
ANd if you want the iPod integrated with the Nav DIsplay, then Apple needs to write code to get it to work correctly. Shouldn't be too hard, since some of it is WinCE. :rolleyes:

[TWinbrook46636]

"The first seamless integration of iPod and automobile"

I think a better caption would be:

"Not quite as half-assed as the iPod/New Beetle promotion"


Seriously, it looks like it just lays in the glove box, probably secured somehow, yet no dock or anything. What is with these so-called solutions they have been coming up with?

[rendezvouscp]

That link is up.

ipodyourbmw.com is not yet up.

I think this is an okay solution. 6/10 stars maybe?

Edit: Apple has removed ipodyourbmw.com and replaced it with http://www.bmwusa.com/ipod/

There's a new link to http://www.bmwusa.com/ipod/ up on the Apple page.
–Chase

[Freg3000]

From the joint Press Release (http://www.bmwusa.com/joy/buzz/news.htm?article=87)

"The BMW iPod Adapter is available for the MSRP of $149.00 (US) plus installation cost, and will be officially available for customers to purchase at BMW centers as of July 12, 2004 for 2002, 2003 and 2004 BMW models: X3, X5, Z4 and 3 Series. The Mini Cooper Adapters will be available later this summer. Consumers should check with their BMW or MINI centers for specific application restrictions or log onto www.ipodyourbmw.com."

[crees!]

I mean seriously people, what did you expect? A video-out to your Information Display system on your car mimicking the iPod display? Then I'm sure you all would be B**ching about the font used on the display. :eek:

Actually if I remember correctly Alpine's iPod-Ready system does output Song/Artist/Album/Ratings to the display.

Edit:
"With a simple one-cable connection, iPod users will be able to operate key playback features from the Alpine receiver's buttons and have display of playlists, album, artist and songs on the head unit."

[blvdeast]

3:02pm EST, ipodyourbmw.com takes me to register.com's new domain page. Anyone else getting this?

[rendezvouscp]

3:02pm EST, ipodyourbmw.com takes me to register.com's new domain page. Anyone else getting this?

Yeah, that's how it has been "forever." I wonder when they'll actually put info on there. I hope soon.
–Chase

[Wonder Boy]

I hope apple does with lexus.....Any one have an ipod and a lexus (ES with navi) and hooked it up so it can work. I don't really care about controlling it from the steeringwheel or radio, just so i can get the audio from it?

Might I add that is the worest commerical, very poor apple...

maybe bmw had control over the commercial like pepsi did with itms. or maybe, apple is loosing its marketing touch. bring back dancing products in front of a white background!

[metfoo]

this just made a BMW 10 times cooler. I want a 3 series or a mini now....

[blvdeast]

3:02pm EST, ipodyourbmw.com takes me to register.com's new domain page. Anyone else getting this?

I also got the apple pics to compare

http://blvdeast.net/apple.jpg
http://blvdeast.net/bmw-apple.tiff

[DejaVuYou]

Imagine if stuff shifted during the during the flight on the front of an iPod.....

[snahabed]

Super lame.

Apple and BMW are the kings of elegant solutions. This AIN'T an elegant solution.

0 out of 10.

[heyriddle]

I am really curious to hear how much this costs. The iceLink by www.densionusa.com is a better solution than the Apple/BMW one. It costs around $200 (It varies slightly per car). One nice feature is that this device has a cradle and you can get car specific mounts to mount it in various locations in the car. This enables you to just plug it in without putting it in your glovebox and you can now see the display. The other nice thing about this is that you can put it in just about any new car. There is a different kit for different car manufacturers and models. You can have it professionally installed or hook it up yourself. It plugs into the cd changer port. It took me about 30 minutes to install since I had to figure out how to get to the back of my radio without destroying it. Now that I know how it would probably take about ten minutes. (I guess some cars would be easier and some more difficult.)

One feature the Apple/BMW solution has over the iceLink is the multiple playlists. I think this is an awesome feature! Maybe Dension will pick up this idea and offer an upgrade.

[robbieduncan]

If you read the site it says that this is not compatible with cars with CD changers fitted. So this interfaces as a CD changer. That's the reason for the 5 special playlists. Your whole Library is CD 1 (or maybe 6) and the 5 others are CDs 2-6 (or 1-5) giving you the standard 6 CDs of a changer (yes you can get bigger changers I know). Seems pretty simple to me.

[rikers_mailbox]

Pretty lame. I was thinking a car stereo with an integrated Hardisk accessed via 802.11g would be a slick way to sync your iTunes library with your car. How sweet would it be to park your car in the garage, go to your computer and tell it to sync with your car stereo!? it would be a totally separate device from the iPod, but it opens the door to all sorts of other content that you might want in your car. (Integrated address book for hands-free cellphone dialing?)

[Phat_Pat]

I kinda like it. Sure it may not be the best solution, but its a start.....

[JT3MacManiac]

anyone know what that song is?

the one that comes in first, and then comes in towards the end

[weezgrrl]

http://images.apple.com/ipod/bmw/images/indextop06212004.jpg

This is really not an adequate solution, one has to reach over to plug the ipod in. Then it is not properly secured in. Once in, the user has no real control of the iPod, 5 playlists? What about all the other 40 GB+ music? A vague stab without the expected apple touch. Shame


I believe the Apple site states that "To listen to iPod music in your BMW, you can either create up to five unique BMW playlists within iTunes, or choose to listen to your entire library. Once you’ve transferred your BMW playlists to your iPod, just plug your iPod into your glovebox adapter cable, select a playlist and you’re ready to take your tunes on the road."

The CD head-unit contains six buttons to control the disk-changer, and I believe this will allow you to move between your special BMW playlists (on 1-5) or your entire library (6).

ooh, here's more info: "To choose one of your playlists, simply use the BMW Stereo control buttons labeled 1 to 5, or select button 6 to access your entire collection" (from the http://www.bmwusa.com/ipod/ site)

[Low]

this sucks, it only works with 2002 and above 3 series..damn.

[midifarm]

After being compared for years, marketsharewise, it's about time they do something together. Does anyone know if the built in stereo can read the iPod display info? That would be very cool.

I would've liked to have seen a dock type connection, but you can't have everything.

Peace

[strngwys]

Where is the Alpine stereo with the ipod intergration. I've been waiting patiently since it was announced! While I would love to have a Mini, but it's gonna be a few years before I buy a new car just so I can listen to my Ipod.

[w00tmaster]

wow, this will work great for my mom! i think. i forget if her BMW is an '01 or an '02. . . hopefully its an '02 so she can get this to work with her iPod mini.

i think the glove box is a good place. thatway you just turn your car off and leave. if its sitting out in a dock, you have to put it up, otherwise someone will look in see the iPod sitting in plain sight, break the window and grab it. that would be bad!!

ive been looking for an excuse to get a mini. . .the car not the iPod. . . this would be really cool!!!

Because driving a BMW is in NO way a tempation for the theif to break into your car, but an iPod, well that makes it all worth it :p

[deepkid]

This is a nicely done mod for using a pod in a car, but there would be security issues with its dock being exposed as is:

http://apple.weblogsinc.com/entry/5337892790267656

iSmell: :]

[bennok]

I think it's really lame that it only displays "TR 02" "TR 43" isntead of the track information. ESPECIALLY since the iPod goes in the glove box. I don't mind it being it being in the glove box, but I'd wanna be able to see the track info.

[Stevp1]

I'm overwhelmed that this is such an underwhelming product. Where's the wood grain/leather dock? What if your glovebox looks like mine, and there's no room for a pod?

[iSmell]

The glove box? You want me to hide my iPod in the glovebox?
Wait, let me move the flashlight and the owner's manual to make room...

They should have done something more like this (http://homepage.mac.com/reelmagik1/Menu1.html). iPod front and center, glowing apple logo, LEDs just to make it look cool...

Beats the hell out of the glove box.

Ice link looks kind of cool, but over priced. I'm going to try tapping into the CD changer inputs directly on my (parents) volvo.

On the plus side, at least I don't have to lust after a BMW like I thought would.


<edit> Damn, deepkid beat me to it. </edit>

[Le Big Mac]

But by looking and the pics, there is no dock for the iPod? You just plug it in the glove box. There should be an optional mount kit for external access.



Agreed. It looks kind of stupid.

But here's my guess. The connector is the 3G ipod standard connector, so you could buy an extra dock. And, if it's at all like the current auxiliary input adapter, you could run it into, e.g., the center console, so you could see your ipod. (if not ,that'd suck). Overall, it looks like a decent solution to retrofit a system that's not really equipped to take full advantage of the ipod.

[asif786]

hi,

for those asking why they cant access all of their music, read below:

'to choose one of your playlists, simply use the BMW stereo control buttons labelled 1 to 5, or elect button 6 to access your entire collection'

taken from bmwusa.com/ipod/

so that means you can have 5 playlists, but if you want to listen to all of your music, just hit button 6.

hth,
asif

[the_mole1314]

Nice, but I hoped for either an iPod dock in the dash/near the stick shift, or a dock thingie in the glove box where you plush it in, then you can click a cover closed, so your ipod dosn't move around and it won't become scrached.

[rendezvouscp]

Agreed. It looks kind of stupid.

But here's my guess. The connector is the 3G ipod standard connector, so you could buy an extra dock. And, if it's at all like the current auxiliary input adapter, you could run it into, e.g., the center console, so you could see your ipod. (if not ,that'd suck). Overall, it looks like a decent solution to retrofit a system that's not really equipped to take full advantage of the ipod.

Yeah, standard connector. Everything through that one cable. That is one good thing.
–Chase

[mailhojo]

This the the worst thing Apple has done. If you're going to team up with someone to improve the ipod experience then make something great. Having an adapter in the glove box and I still won't have complete functionality of my ipod. What a joke. Why don't they team up with someone to create a new after-market head unit that has a dock built right in (instead of a cassette slot)? The display would be the same as the ipod and put an ipod mini scroll wheel on it. Then start working with the car manufactures on pre-installing them on new cars too.

[Rod Rod]

the best thing about this system is no sound quality is lost, unlike with FM transmitters and cassette adapters.

the worst thing about this system is its limitations of controls.

it's alright that the iPod sits in the glove compartment. BMW gloveboxes are most likely air conditioned, so that's probably the safest place to put it. heat will destroy an iPod.

an equivalent solution sound-quality wise is to run a mini-stereo wire (3.5mm) out of the iPod, to the "aux" line-in on your car stereo. you could then mount your iPod anywhere you put the other end of the wire, and if you want to see it you can get the Belkin cupholder-iPod-mount. sure it's a couple of wires between the 3.5mm and the charging cords, but this solution will cost about $25 for parts plus about 30 minutes to an hour of labor (unless you DIY).

this way you can control the iPod with its wired remote, or use the scroll wheel and buttons.

[flyfish29]

So it says this in the fine print:

Not available on vehicles with navigation system, CD changer, DSP cassette player or satellite radio. Installation performed by authorized BMW and BMW SAV centers only.


So answer this for me: What owner doesn't have a CD changer in their BMW (or a DSP cassette player- whatever that means) So what they are saying is this is only for those BMW's that have am and fm radios???????????? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[jcshas]

So, is the iPod an accessory to the BMW, or the BMW an accessory to the iPod? :confused:

[CubaTBird]

So does this indicate updated ipods or what? :rolleyes:

[rendezvouscp]

So does this indicate updated ipods or what? :rolleyes:

Look this September or later, once the 60GB drives start production.
–Chase

[gandalf55]

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-06-2004/0002084211

[Le Big Mac]

So answer this for me: What owner doesn't have a CD changer in their BMW (or a DSP cassette player- whatever that means)

Many. A single in-dash CD player is standard. A 6-disc changer is optional, installed in the trunk (for 7 total discs).

[Le Big Mac]

t

an equivalent solution sound-quality wise is to run a mini-stereo wire (3.5mm) out of the iPod, to the "aux" line-in on your car stereo.

They already have this, and the part is about $40 and can be installed yourself (I assume this new one can). So really this adds : 1) power 2) steering wheel/stereo controls.

[barbaloot]

I am getting a 330xi in Feb!!! And I use an iTrip now. And where do I put my ipod. In my glovebox. So this is PERFECT! I can't wait till Feb. now!

[Rod Rod]

They already have this, and the part is about $40 and can be installed yourself (I assume this new one can). So really this adds : 1) power 2) steering wheel/stereo controls.

whoever's charging $40 for that part is a) a marketing genius and b) ripping people off. really, all it takes is a standard 3.5mm to line-in adapter, and that should cost around $5 or so at your local Radio Shack.

[johnpaul191]

Well, the glove box is probably where there are easy connections that can be made to install whatever you need to hook up your iPod. That's probably why it is located there.

um and security? i don't know if you all live in happy bubbles but the fun of having a dashmount dock/holster would get annoying when your windows get smashed and the iPod stolen. i would prefer this so i do not HAVE to take out the iPod every time i make a quick stop.

[winmacguy]

http://images.apple.com/ipod/bmw/images/indextop06212004.jpg

This is really not an adequate solution, one has to reach over to plug the ipod in. Then it is not properly secured in. Once in, the user has no real control of the iPod, 5 playlists? What about all the other 40 GB+ music? A vague stab without the expected apple touch. Shame

I have to say that actually looks pretty half baked to me. It DOESNT look like "seamless" integration of design that you might expect from Apple and BMW ( unless someone is joking with the pic of course!). Who wants to drive down the highway with the glove box open so they can adjust their iPod? Not me.

[Le Big Mac]

whoever's charging $40 for that part is a) a marketing genius and b) ripping people off. really, all it takes is a standard 3.5mm to line-in adapter, and that should cost around $5 or so at your local Radio Shack.

Well, if you sell a car with a stereo that doesn't have a line in, and instead has a special pin-in adapter set up, you can charge $40. It is, however, a radio shack piece, and not even that good looking. But at least the wires go to the right pins and it clips in correctly.

[johnpaul191]

whoever's charging $40 for that part is a) a marketing genius and b) ripping people off. really, all it takes is a standard 3.5mm to line-in adapter, and that should cost around $5 or so at your local Radio Shack.


a lot of car stereo's (*COUGH* SONY *COUGH*) do not allow the line inputs in the back to be active UNLESS a valid device is linked.... or a $99 adapter is used. this makes the car stereo think it is connected to a CD/MD changer and that's why the remote works and the track info is displayed on the car stereo faceplate. the $5 minijack to RCA adapter won't do any of that.

yeah it costs a lot more, but BMWs also cost a lot more than Yugos and which one is still around? there is a cheaper solution, but this is a better one. also the $5 adapter won't charge your iPod. this connection powers the iPod so it won't run down when you get there. yeah you can also run an adapter to the cig lighter but at some point it turns into a rat's nest.

this adapter is also available for car models going back a few years, so it's not a stereo designed specifically for the iPod (or other device)..... if there is more interest i am sure we will see head units with better iPod integration. then again you dont want to browse 75 playlists or 10,000 songs. ok, maybe YOU would want to, but me being in the next lane doesn't want you to. at least with cell phones you can keep your eyes on the road.

[johnpaul191]

I have to say that actually looks pretty half baked to me. It DOESNT look like "seamless" integration of design that you might expect from Apple and BMW ( unless someone is joking with the pic of course!). Who wants to drive down the highway with the glove box open so they can adjust their iPod? Not me.

adjust what? put it in the glove box, close it up and drive.
the remote buttons on the head unit or the steering wheel control the iPod's functions. the track info is displayed on the head unit. the volume knob on the stereo is the volume knob. what else do you need?

did anyone actually read the linked page on apple.com?

[austincolby]

Forgive me as I haven't had time to read this thread, so this may have been said, but...

Anyone heard of Icelink, sold by Dension?

I've been doing this for months in my BMW X5 (including controlling the Ipod with my steering wheel), and Dension's solution is arguably BETTER.

First, my X5 is a 2001, so I wouldn't even be supported by this solution (2002+).

Second, my Icelink comes with a dock, which also seamlessly charges the Ipod when plugged in (and the Ipod automatically shuts off when the car is powered down).

Third, the dock can be purchased with a nice, non-intrusive mounting solution that looks great.

That said, as an ardent Apple supporter, I am extremely pleased that BMW has gone ahead and done this- love the Ipod exposure, and applaud car manufacturers moving to support the Ipod.

Go Apple! Go BMW!

[SkAlex]

Very nice. About the sloppy install...it can and will be done better if you want to put the time and effort into making it nicer. You can get a holder for the ipod at proclip.

All the rumors surrounding the ipodyourbmw were directed at bmw, and i'm glad to hear that it will fit the mini as well.

Time to order one for my electric blue/white '03 mini cooper S... :D

[tazznb]

Watch Microsoft attempt to graft their player to a Ford Taurus.

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! :p

[JT3MacManiac]

will someone please tell me the song?

[ijimk]

I think the design for the car audio system could be more sleek and intrgrated to the design of the car. it looks like they just plopped the ipod in the glove box. Hell i have a cigarette lighter in my armrest of my car i put my ipod and chager in. You think apple might have wanted to do more design wise with the integration but bmw might not have been as co-operative as we might have liked. I would not be suprised to see more partnering of apple and other low-mid end car manufactuers.

[MacFan25]

I don't really understand why BMW didn't try to find a better place to put the iPod than in the glove compartment, but, like others have said, it's probably just the easiest place to install it. Despite this, I think the ad is pretty cool, and it's more publicity for the iPod, which isn't ever a bad thing. I'm also glad to see that the no sound quality is lost with this.

I'm looking forward to seeing what other car manufacturers can come up with. :)

[nsb3000]

http://images.apple.com/ipod/bmw/images/indextop06212004.jpg

This is really not an adequate solution, one has to reach over to plug the ipod in. Then it is not properly secured in. Once in, the user has no real control of the iPod, 5 playlists? What about all the other 40 GB+ music? A vague stab without the expected apple touch. Shame

Ya, I have to agree here. There really should be some sort of Dock, on the dash board or something. I hope this is just a temporary solution for a better product that is coming in the future.

[rendezvouscp]

Ya, I have to agree here. There really should be some sort of Dock, on the dash board or something. I hope this is just a temporary solution for a better product that is coming in the future.

I highly doubt that. Unless they integrate the iPod fully (which I just don't see happening), I doubt that this is temporary.
–Chase

[deepkid]

Watch Microsoft attempt to graft their player to a Ford Taurus.

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! :p

Yuck. With free coupons for a case of Wal-cola.

[Santaduck]

Icelink Question: Does the icelink provide for automatic recharging of the iPod? It looks like the BMW solution charges the ipod; if the icelink does not, that is a major plus for the BMW solution; cross country ipod-enabled trips without recharging!

Playlist Question 1: What is a "bmw playlist" in iTunes? Is there a new iTunes or iPod update to cover this, or an update to the BMW stereo system software during installation?


Playlist Question 2: Can you manually select a playlist on the ipod, then control tracks from the steering wheel?

Steering Wheel Controls question: Which steering wheel buttons will traverse playlists, or turn on random shuffle? (I assume random shuffle is throughout the entire ipod, not just the 5 playlists).




Mounting/Visibility: The whole point is to get the ipod out-of-the-way, and just use your bmw stereo console/steering-wheel controls. However, it would be nice to be able to mount it securely *within* the glovebox-- Even the self-recharging flashlight in the bmw-glovebox is nicely mounted; a similar and secure dock-like slot would've been slightly preferable.

Valet comment: You can lock the ipod in the glovebox with your primary key, and the valet key can't open it up... just in case for some reason you want to leave it in the car while valet-parking, you don't have to worry.


Ditto: bmwusa/ipod is not up... tsk tsk. For such a big promotion, the apple partnership should be listed on the *front* page of www.bmwusa.com.

BMW Owners Circle: 1) Apple partnership is not listed after login at oc.bmwusa.com (that The Hire DVD is *still there*), 2) Nor is Apple listed in BMW News (within owners circle).

[bluedevil97]

While I agree that a dock would have been nice, they probably avoided the dock so that future ipod models would still be compatible. Apple is probably less likely to change the cable connection than the shape/form of the ipod. By only using a cable connection, Apple can make pretty drastic changes to the ipod's form factor. This also makes it so you don't have to worry if you own an mini or reg. ipod or both. Some kind of latch/strap would be nice. . .I would hate to hear my ipod slidding around in the glove compartment.

[kentd]

I have the ICELink for my Audi, and it works well. It's not perfect, but it's much better than FM transmitters and cassette adapters. I got the version which plugs into the the CD changer connector in the trunk, and it comes with a long wire to allow the ipod to be mounted on the dash. It was straightforward to install, but that wire is a bit of pain to snake around the backseat.

As for not showing more info on the radio display/wheel controls, I think it's a limitation of the radios themselves. I know the Audi radios cannot display text from the CD changer (which is where ICELink plugs in, and probably where the BMW thing does too) which limits it a lot.

I would think future-generation radios will have better interfaces to ipods, but it will take a while for it to happen.

[Santaduck]

good point... both the icelink and the bmw solution have better sonic quality than fm or cassette solution. In fact, the FM has the worst sound; even though the cassette is low-tech, it actually sounds better.


btw if you look at the PDF of BMW Accessories for 3-series, you'll see a glove-box mounted audio connector, which looks like a 1/8" line-in. The photo shows a 2G ipod...


__

oops, I stand corrected: "IPOD YOUR BMW" is indeed listed at the bottom of the www.bmwusa.com front page. Did I miss that, or is it new?

[Corozive]

This is a much better way of installing the ipod

[ryanw]

I don't really understand why BMW didn't try to find a better place to put the iPod than in the glove compartment, but, like others have said, it's probably just the easiest place to install it. Despite this, I think the ad is pretty cool, and it's more publicity for the iPod, which isn't ever a bad thing. I'm also glad to see that the no sound quality is lost with this.

I'm looking forward to seeing what other car manufacturers can come up with. :)

The glovebox seems like a good place to me because, as others have noted, if you want to just turn your car off and leave your iPod in the car you wouldn't have to then stash it in the glove box to hide it. There's nothing worse than attracting attention to the gadgets in a nice car. A newer Beemer is already attracting enough attention to itsself.

Also a side note. You have 5 "BMW Playlists" that you can shuffle through OR you can have it randomize through your entire library. So that seems flexible enough for me. Sure would be nice if it showed the song info on the stereo display instead of just Track 01, Track 02... etc..

[Santaduck]

OK I found official content in press releases at bmwusa.

The news page here: http://www.bmwusa.com/Joy/Buzz/News.htm

The actual press release article here:
http://www.bmwusa.com/joy/buzz/news.htm?article=87


and the bottom of the article links to the now-working ipodyourbmw URL, which produces a popup that probably was the intended link for the broken bmwusa/ipod page

http://www.ipodyourbmw.com/

[robotrenegade]

I think how apple is putting the iPod into the BMW is fine.

[Bendit]

What is wrong with you people complaining about the location of the iPod? Did you think that BMW was going to change all it's car models to make for a dock on the dashboard or something? Do you really want an ipod outside the glove box for thieves to see? The only thing that lets me down is that you don't see track names but that's probably a limitation of the iPod, not the connector or the BMW audio system. If demand for this kind of system is great then I think the next gen iPods will be able to output all that information to car stereos in the future.

[Santaduck]

More info from http://www.ipodyourbmw.com/

includes *Television ad video (pretty funny for a bmw ad)
notes: * Playlists in itunes must be named: BMW1, BMW2, BMW3, BMW4, and BMW5, and it works immediately.

[iMeowbot]

So answer this for me: What owner doesn't have a CD changer in their BMW (or a DSP cassette player- whatever that means) So what they are saying is this is only for those BMW's that have am and fm radios???????????? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Typically you have an in-dash CD in addition to the changer. For those with existing CD changers, so what? Just disconnect it. It becomes sort of redundant once you have an iPod in there anyway.

[ksz]

...The only thing that lets me down is that you don't see track names but that's probably a limitation of the iPod, not the connector or the BMW audio system. If demand for this kind of system is great then I think the next gen iPods will be able to output all that information to car stereos in the future.

If it's a limitation of the iPod and not the connector, then a firmware upgrade can overcome the limitation. I would like to see "seemless" integration with iDrive, which will be standard on all new BMW models. This means track names and playlist names appearing on iDrive, ability to replace the iPod's circular touchpad with iDrive's circular controller, and also set the two user-programmable steering wheel buttons to perform various operations such as move from playlist to playlist, or enable Random Play.

By the way, the iDrive controller has the following movements on the E60 (2004 5-series):

1. Rotate clock- and counterclock wise.
2. Slide forward, backward, left and right.
3. Press down.

The iDrive screen/controller combination can replace the iPod's interface completely. That would be a "seemless" integration.

[jesuscandle]

will someone please tell me the song?

I don't believe any of the sound clips used in the ad are specific songs. Re-watch the ad, and you'll notice they are all very generic and do not include words. It's still effective, but it's no chubby dude singing along to the Who.

[Santaduck]

Because driving a BMW is in NO way a tempation for the theif to break into your car, but an iPod, well that makes it all worth it :p

actually, it's true... with the electronically controlled ignition (as well as the unforceable steering column lock) you simply can't steal the vehicle unless you load it into a truck and drive the truck... and no jimmying the locks either due to bmw's lock system-- thief has to break window, and climb in through broken window, and climb out through broken window (interior door handles & locks are TOTALLY non operational when locked from the outside). Most thieves know this, so it wouldn't be as easy/practical to break into the inside of a bmw unless there was something you could just reach in and grab.

[johnpaul191]

The glove box? You want me to hide my iPod in the glovebox?


Ice link looks kind of cool, but over priced. I'm going to try tapping into the CD changer inputs directly on my (parents) volvo.

<edit> Damn, deepkid beat me to it. </edit>

the icelink uses open ports on the back of the car stereo. it's the same ports that a CD changer would hook into. on my car's stereo, for example, there is RCA inputs and a magic Sony cable that is essentially the data connection between the devices. it transfers the commands for what track etc to play and calls up the CDs track info (if supported).

these adapters are using existing technology, these are not magic car stereo's made to mate with iPods. that's the next step!

[gothamac]

The whole point of steering wheel mounted controls are so you don't have to remove your hands to control the stereo. Having the iPod mounted near by would defeat this function. This all looks good to me. They did a terrible job of shooting the iPod just laying there though. A gold one sitting straight would look much better. The commercial clip is nice too.

[johnpaul191]

I don't believe any of the sound clips used in the ad are specific songs. Re-watch the ad, and you'll notice they are all very generic and do not include words. It's still effective, but it's no chubby dude singing along to the Who.

SHHHH! those people singing along to their iPods has the legal department all tied up right now......

[FoxyKaye]

I hope apple does with lexus.....Any one have an ipod and a lexus (ES with navi) and hooked it up so it can work. I don't really care about controlling it from the steeringwheel or radio, just so i can get the audio from it?

I hope Apple does this with used 1989 Toyota Tercels... :D

[amberashby]

Anyone know what the difference was between the 2001 and 2002 BMW stereos? I have a 2001 330i and was hoping this would be compaitable. This sucks for me. Maybe I'll just go the Icelink route.

[Mac|caM]

If you want your windows smashed and your iPod stolen, go ahead and mangle your center unit into a dock. If you are worried about the iPod bumping around, buy an extra dock, glue it (or tape it, whatever) into your glove compartment. I think it's fine for a first try. Notice that no one else has even tried to integrate their MP3 players into cars, only Apple has. Also, BMW probably designed this, so get mad at them.

[JGowan]

The Logo has been fixed.

For those who watched the Europe iTunes Keynote, you know that Apple is working on a solution for some of the auto makers. He said:

"A third place is the automobile. Now this is a place where we've we haven't even taken the first step yet. We've got a bunch of contraptions that allow you to hook your ipod in your car. But we're working with several of the automotive companies and later on this year we hope to have some announcements to make it a lot easier to listen to music in your car."

I'm hoping Chrysler is one of 'em! My 300M would really love it!

Honestly, it seems to me that it should be fairly easy for those cars that have the ability to hook up a CD changer to the existing CD player. It might not include track information but to be able to control from your stereo or steering wheel would be great. The alpine thing is still an option I'm hoping to see work well.

:: fingers crossed ::

[rendezvouscp]

I can only imagine what kind of contraptions Apple has behind their doors. Ah. (Why am I in love with this company! Someone, help me!)
–Chase

[iMeowbot]

Icelink Question: Does the icelink provide for automatic recharging of the iPod?
Yes.
Playlist Question 2: Can you manually select a playlist on the ipod, then control tracks from the steering wheel?
This is how I use the icelink.
Mounting/Visibility: The whole point is to get the ipod out-of-the-way, and just use your bmw stereo console/steering-wheel controls. However, it would be nice to be able to mount it securely *within* the glovebox-- Even the self-recharging flashlight in the bmw-glovebox is nicely mounted; a similar and secure dock-like slot would've been slightly preferable.
That's a point in favor of hiding the iPod, but having the dock visible allows you to glance at the now playing stuff, chose from your full set of playlists, and so on. YOu can still toss the iPod into the console or glovebox when you park; with a nice dock installation it won't be particularly conspicuous.

[Dahl]

I knew I should of got a BMW over the Benz.
Apple should have gone with Benz.

[sfwalter]

Since they annouced this today (Monday), does this mean something is coming tomorrow (Tuesday) when Apple normally releases new stuff. Give me new displays tomorrow Apple.

[JGowan]

I can only imagine what kind of contraptions Apple has behind their doors. Ah. (Why am I in love with this company! Someone, help me!)–ChaseI think he's talking about the "a bunch of contraptions" as a negative. He's talking about the here-&-now contraptions such as "iTrip", "cassette adaptors", "mini-in cables"... nothing that represents a decent solution. I'm assumng that the best we can expect is the same type of solution that they came up with for BMW.

[toes]

... BMW, Shmee Emm DubbleU ... my 2003 Honda Element (otherwise know as Elephant) has the audio line in and with the Belkin cigarette lighter socket adapter does everything you would need. The iPod can sit anywhere in reach and the controls work (better than with the half-baked radio controls where it won't tell you title or artist etc. (Just joking: BMW are nice cars, but I can't afford one and I have to say: this solution seems a little below BMW standard. Better than FM transmitter or tape adapter is about all I would concede).

[Dahl]

The glove box? You want me to hide my iPod in the glovebox?
Wait, let me move the flashlight and the owner's manual to make room...

They should have done something more like this (http://homepage.mac.com/reelmagik1/Menu1.html). iPod front and center, glowing apple logo, LEDs just to make it look cool...

Beats the hell out of the glove box.

But you still have to move your hand to change a song.
The true benefit to the BMW iPod is that you control it with your thumb without moving yoour hand!!

I'm sure Apple to continue to work on these things, right now it is probably best for people who wants to use their iPod, but not give up their CD player.
Now, if BMW could design a optional slot under the standard CD player, so you can choose it or not. What probably would work.

[ethernet76]

Last thing I want is some asshat watching his iPod display instead of the road. There still has to be something better than this.

[Dahl]

Actually a better optional control system built in the steering with a built in slot for the ipod in the glove box would probably be ideal.

[gothamac]

Something is messed up about this site

[rendezvouscp]

Something is messed up about this site

What site? This site? You aren't dissing this site are you? ;)
–Chase

[rendezvouscp]

I think he's talking about the "a bunch of contraptions" as a negative. He's talking about the here-&-now contraptions such as "iTrip", "cassette adaptors", "mini-in cables"... nothing that represents a decent solution. I'm assumng that the best we can expect is the same type of solution that they came up with for BMW.

"A third place is the automobile. Now this is a place where we've we haven't even taken the first step yet. We've got a bunch of contraptions that allow you to hook your ipod in your car. But we're working with several of the automotive companies and later on this year we hope to have some announcements to make it a lot easier to listen to music in your car."

Your probably right (what you said makes sense), but what lead me to say that is that he said we in the sense of Apple in the last sentence. We isn't clear in the sentences before, but we is definitely Apple in the last sentence.
–Chase

[fatbarstard]

Ya gotta love the mix -hip US style from Apple meets brutal german efficiency from BMW.

Glove box is the idea location for an iPod because ya don't want to lose the damn thing under the seats. And I'm sure the controls on the steering wheel will improve if this product/idea takes off - of course you don't want some wally playing with his play lists while booting down the autobahn at 100 mph do you....

Now to see how quickly other car manufacturers start talking to Apple and how fast 3rd party developers start producing 'ipod in your bomb' kits for the rest of us... of course we could just use a Belkin FM transmitter and get what we want anyway... my 94 toyota doesn't have steering column radio controls... but it does have air!! :D

[mattmack]

Ya gotta love the mix -hip US style from Apple meets brutal german efficiency from BMW.

Glove box is the idea location for an iPod because ya don't want to lose the damn thing under the seats. And I'm sure the controls on the steering wheel will improve if this product/idea takes off - of course you don't want some wally playing with his play lists while booting down the autobahn at 100 mph do you....

I am not sure BMW would like putting any other logo front and center on the console. BMW's are known for their interior design and I don't think they will ever allow some other corporation to intrude on that design

[iChan]

I knew I should of got a BMW over the Benz.

man, apple must be doint things the VERY VERY right way when their iPod can almost dictate what car you buy!

[virividox]

i was expecting a dock of some sort not just a cable :(

[Sunrunner]

I think that its cool BMW is makig this option avaliable, but I think throwing your iPod in the glovebox sounds a little "low-rent". They should have done up a dock or something a bit more stylish at least....

[Chaszmyr]

Doesn't work with cars equipped with the navigation system.. that is totally stupid

[SWC]

http://images.apple.com/ipod/bmw/images/indextop06212004.jpg

This is really not an adequate solution, one has to reach over to plug the ipod in. Then it is not properly secured in. Once in, the user has no real control of the iPod, 5 playlists? What about all the other 40 GB+ music? A vague stab without the expected apple touch. Shame


If you had read the site you would see it said playlists or your ENTIRE library so theres your 40 GB+ of music. If you dont like it in your glove box run the cable somewhere more suitable for you its not required to be in there.

[Captain Canuck]

I agree having the artist and song title be displayed on the head unit would be nice but really, do you need to see the info? I for one know what's on my iPod and even if you can't remember which playlist (1-5) you programed your i.e. Dick Dale Collection the first 30 seconds of the song should give you a clue.

Current BMW units don't display CD Text or play MP3 CDs now so this isn't much of a change. And, unless you've installed a non-factory CD changer, you can't play MP3 CDs in the changer either. Using an iPod as a CD changer lets you have way more tunes onboard and you can still use the single in-dash CD in conjuction with the iPod and control everything from the steering wheel. Pretty nice! As for compliants about it being in the glove box well...better than having it stuck in the trunk like the CD changer.

So for now this is a pretty good solution for the exsiting hardware. It would be nice to see something that's a little more thought out but I think that's still down the road.

[SWC]

Apple should have gone with Benz.


Speaking from a completely stereotypical point of view i would say a large portion of Apple users drive BMW/Audi/VW/MINI over benz or lexus or most other luxury cars. Like much else there are exceptions to the rule but from a quantity point of view i think bmw is a better solution.

[rendezvouscp]

While not neccessary for the average user, it would be nice if Apple made an extension cord for the iPod. Then it wouldn't have to be in the glovebox (but I think that is a good idea).
–Chase

[Zoboomafoo]

http://images.apple.com/ipod/bmw/images/indextop06212004.jpg

This is really not an adequate solution, one has to reach over to plug the ipod in. Then it is not properly secured in. Once in, the user has no real control of the iPod, 5 playlists? What about all the other 40 GB+ music? A vague stab without the expected apple touch. Shame

i disagree. i think this is the perfect place for it. i'm not a car designer (tho i have started to develop an interest), but i think apple/bmw did the right thing here. and it IS in tune with apple's design tastes in particular.

cars are in most ways very busy. so many buttons all over the place. this is totally out of the way. ipod in the glove box is very much a "set it and forget it" solution.

why should you have the ipod out in the open when you're running it from the wheel? seems like senseless redundancy and that's not what apple's about.

yea, would be nice to keep it 'secured' but that's not apples doing. (and we can't say for sure from one pic if that IS the case)

i've wanted a mini for a long time. just makes me that more interested.

[geeman]

Doesn't work with cars equipped with the navigation system.. that is totally stupid

My 3 series has the 16:9 TV navigation system, Harmon Kardon speaker upgrade...and I can't fit this adaptor? That's crazy.

Looks like my (inelegant) solution is BMW's $40 "auxillary input" (3.5mm socket) that they fix in the glovebox, plus that $50 Infra red remote control that you can buy from
here (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=T6921ZM/A)

At $90 or so all-in, that works out cheaper than the "iPod Your BMW" solution. However, does anyone know whether adding the "auxillary sound input" keeps the CD changer working? I was under the impression that it was simply an additional sound input. But if that was the case, why doesn't the BMW/iPod thing work in the same way???

[Sir_Giggles]

Whichever way you feel about the iPod/BMW integration, one thing is for sure... the market awareness for iPod has opened up considerably into the mainstream consciousness. However popular the iPod is for the 3 years of its life, it still isn't a household name compared to the decades old brand recognition of BMW.

Apple fans may be disappointed by the integration of ipod2bmw, but putting the iPod in the glove box is the most logical and practical place for it. And the fact that iPod will be featured in countless car magazines can only mean the public awareness of iPod will skyrocket. iPod-loving digital music-loving computer freeks account for a miniscule segment of the market. Nearly everybody drives. Do the math.

[takao]

according to german news sources (heise.de): apple is not planning to release this in europe (according to apple germany)

so the only car/ipod promotion available here is the smart...

[tazznb]

While I agree that a dock would have been nice, they probably avoided the dock so that future ipod models would still be compatible. Apple is probably less likely to change the cable connection than the shape/form of the ipod. By only using a cable connection, Apple can make pretty drastic changes to the ipod's form factor. This also makes it so you don't have to worry if you own an mini or reg. ipod or both. Some kind of latch/strap would be nice. . .I would hate to hear my ipod slidding around in the glove compartment.

This is why we have 3rd party developers. When Apple leaves things like this open-ended it creates interests between outside companies to step up to the plate.

They will be the ones to create an iPod holder (if Apple did this no one would compete with them).

[sinisterdesign]

They should have made the BMW logo on the steering wheel function as a scroll wheel for the iPod.

// narco

my friend suggested that also when i told him about it. i briefly pondered how much it would cost to do something like that... ;)

[sinisterdesign]

I think that its cool BMW is makig this option avaliable, but I think throwing your iPod in the glovebox sounds a little "low-rent". They should have done up a dock or something a bit more stylish at least....

that's where my iPod ends up anyhow. if you drive a convertible, you learn quickly not to leave anything in plain site. so this would just save me from having to lock/unlock the glove compartment every time i get out of the car.

of course, i have all the right ingredients: 3 Series BMW, multi-function steering wheel, no CD changer....but i have a stupid old-skool 20GB iPod!!!!. can't use it! damnit!

c'mon, Apple. gimmie' a new iPod. this one's full, but i can't justify a new one until the next rev...

[jbembe]

I hope Apple does this with used 1989 Toyota Tercels... :D

YEAH! I have a 1985 BMW 325e, that should be closer to the target here!

[spencecb]

Has anyone noticed that the MINI has disappeared from the cars offered that will be able to have the iPod adapter installed? This pisses me off, because I have a MINI and was looking forward to being able to have this installed in my car.

[Rod Rod]

Has anyone noticed that the MINI has disappeared from the cars offered that will be able to have the iPod adapter installed? This pisses me off, because I have a MINI and was looking forward to being able to have this installed in my car.

don't worry. the graphics change shouldn't affect the Mini's stereo in any way shape or form. despite the difference in front page picture you should still be able to get the iPod hookup at your local Mini store.