Apple Releases Safari 4.0.3

[MacRumors]

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Apple today released Safari 4.0.3 via Software Update, offering fixes for several stability and performance issues, as well as security updates. The new version is also available on Apple's Safari download page (http://www.apple.com/safari/download/).This update is recommended for all Safari users and includes improvements to stability, compatibility and security including:

- Stability improvements for webpages that use the HTML 5 video tag
- Fixes an issue that prevented some users from logging into iWork.com
- Fixes an issue that could cause web content to be displayed in greyscale instead of color

For detailed information on the security content of this update, please visit this site: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222.Full details of the security content of the update have not yet been posted.

Article Link: Apple Releases Safari 4.0.3 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/11/apple-releases-safari-4-0-3/)

[Bill Gates]

I just installed it. No noticeable changes to report.

[iphoneftw]

exciting always love new updates installing right now

[charlesbronsen]

4.0.2 didn't last long.

[applealex]

Does Safari 4 still store screenshots from your visited webpages?

I once read a story of a guy who have like 36MB on his hard drive taken up by those images which according to him can't be deleted

that's keeping me from updating

[Bill Gates]

Does Safari 4 still store screenshots from your visited webpages?

I once read a story of a guy who have like 36MB on his hard drive taken up by those images which according to him can't be deleted

that's keeping me from updating
Yes, it does, but they can be easily deleted.

[rich2k4]

Yes, it does, but they can be easily deleted.

i heard they fixed it though? i remember in the beta people were getting like 10 GB taken up by those images, but then when the final release came out, people said it was fixed.

[irule1114]

Does Safari 4 still store screenshots from your visited webpages?

I once read a story of a guy who have like 36MB on his hard drive taken up by those images which according to him can't be deleted

that's keeping me from updating

What is so concerning about 36MB of space... I thought 36MB was not very much nowadays where hard drive capacities are in the hundreds of GBs.

[RMo]

Does Safari 4 still store screenshots from your visited webpages?

I once read a story of a guy who have like 36MB on his hard drive taken up by those images which according to him can't be deleted

that's keeping me from updating

How small, exactly, is your hard drive that 36 MB is keeping you from upgrading? (Not that you shouldn't be able to delete them more easily, but...)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

36MB?! Do they even make hard drives bigger than 5MB today in 1985????

[bhobbs3]

Ahh. I half expected this update to enable optional tabs-back-on-top. I loved them! Can't we make everyone happy?

[p0intblank]

Wow, an actual reference to iWork.com? I guess Apple hasn't forgotten about the service, after all.

[Kobekes]

it seems that this update's purpose is to keep the word going on the much discussed HTML 5 video tag (and iWork ...)
;)

[njl]

wonder if xmarks and 1password still works

[Shasterball]

Ugh. I hate restarts. :(

[windon]

Until the progress bar comes back I am not updating all the machines. I know they will bring it back - some one has to talk to all those Netscape coders and explain the joy of GUI.

[Akzel]

Installed, rebooted. No news so far.

Safari still hates me for trying to open multiple tabs right after it's launched.

[Michaelgtrusa]

Went well for me. Thanks.

[njl]

1password is now not integrated.. i think.. i need to hit up their forum now.

[physicsdude1]

Ahh. I half expected this update to enable optional tabs-back-on-top. I loved them! Can't we make everyone happy?

So 4.0.3 does not include the tabs-on-top feature? So disappointing! I've not updated to any of the 4.0 releases because I was so happy with that option in the 4.0 beta and I don't want to give it up!

Amazing how I'm willing to forgo security updates just for that one feature!? Please, Apple, bring it back.

[Bubba Satori]

Why is it always more stable ? Can't they just once and for all make it completely stable and not ever have to make it more stable anymore ? :D

[Mr-Stabby]

Could someone tell me if this fixes the problem of movies/audio playing in Safari without proper volume controls or 'Save As Source' option. Something that has appeared since Safari 4.0. It's not a Quicktime problem as Firefox is fine.

[b0kaj]

Why do I have to reboot my computer after installing a debug-release update of a web browser? It really beats me. Keep it separate from the OS... like a sane browser.

[MikhailT]

1password is now not integrated.. i think.. i need to hit up their forum now.

just need to update the browsers.plist with the newer build version. it'll work fine.

[irule1114]

Why do I have to reboot my computer after installing a debug-release update of a web browser? It really beats me. Keep it separate from the OS... like a sane browser.

I believe it is because Safari is a core part of the operating system. For example, every time you go to help, you are really looking at Safari with a different UI.

You have to do the same thing with IE for Windows. Just get over it.

[illegallydead]

Installed a minute ago just fine. Hung on "running installer script" for a while, but nothing too bad and no other problems.

Why do I have to reboot my computer after installing a debug-release update of a web browser? It really beats me. Keep it separate from the OS... like a sane browser.

IIRC, it has something to do with the fact that Safari relies on a lot of the same windowing and rendering tools that OSX itself does.... That may be completely wrong however :)

It does seem silly, especially when the EU is investigating MS for similar practices of too-tightly integrated browsers...

[celticpride678]

Downloaded and Installed fine. I think you have to reboot because it changes system files:confused:.

No noticeable changes and nothing even seems faster than it was. Maybe for the first ever Safari update.:eek:

My Keywerl plugin does not work and that really stinks, but I already contacted the dev and hopefully a update will be issued.

[*LTD*]

Menus feel snappier.

[chem]

Does it still choke on animated GIFs? Because that is annoying the heck out of me with Safari 4.0.1

[pdjudd]

Why do I have to reboot my computer after installing a debug-release update of a web browser? It really beats me. Keep it separate from the OS... like a sane browser.

Core web requires rebooting. The safari updates modifies system files. Its just like updating internet explorer.

[Bill Gates]

Does it still choke on animated GIFs? Because that is annoying the heck out of me with Safari 4.0.1
I don't know but you should update regardless. Safari 4.0.1 has known vulnerabilities. See here (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3666) for details.

[dkh587]

Does it still choke on animated GIFs? Because that is annoying the heck out of me with Safari 4.0.1

That's exactly why I've been using FireFox. The GIF issue is annoying, because the sites I frequent, HEAVILY use gifs and it's frustrating when I want to use Safari but can't because of it's inability to load gifs.:mad:

[MadDog31]

1password is now not integrated.. i think.. i need to hit up their forum now.

I'm so tired of 1Password getting screwed up on each update. Now trying to figure that out...

[Bjohnson33]

IIRC, it has something to do with the fact that Safari relies on a lot of the same windowing and rendering tools that OSX itself does.... That may be completely wrong however :)

That's what I remember the reasoning being as well.

[Bruce32118]

just need to update the browsers.plist with the newer build version. it'll work fine.

Mikhail - could you specify which value we need to change, I've looked at both plist files for 1password and Safari, I can't see what to change...

best
Bruce

[Tourist]

Core web requires rebooting. The safari updates modifies system files. Its just like updating internet explorer.

You say that as if it is a point of recommendation !?!,
Another reason I'm using firefox,

[Jetson]

What is so concerning about 36MB of space... I thought 36MB was not very much nowadays where hard drive capacities are in the hundreds of GBs.

It's not concern about a 36MBs. The problem is maintaining control of your computer.

Sometimes your browser gets redirected to websites that you don't want to go to. It might pose a problem if you are unable to delete X-rated images or other undesirable content from your hard drive.

[insocal]

I sure hope they add it back in with the SNOW LEOPARD release.

[njl]

Mikhail - could you specify which value we need to change, I've looked at both plist files for 1password and Safari, I can't see what to change...

best
Bruce

ya beat me to it :D

thanks for any help that anyone is able to give :)

[angelwatt]

I believe it is because Safari is a core part of the operating system.

Safari is not a core part. You can uninstall Safari without problems. This in contrast to not being able to uninstall IE on Windows. That said, I'm not aware of the reason it requires a reboot.

[run-kmc]

Every time I have to reboot just to upgrade a browser, I get that much closer to wiping the whole thing and installing yellowdog. So much easier.

Of course, since my iphone requires itunes, I'm locked in. Sigh. Time to go get that awesome 0.0.1 upgrade.

[EmperorDarius]

Keywurl was not tested with this version and disabled itself for "safety". Is there anyway to enable it? Does it even work fine?

[Shiner]

I hope it is just the internet at work but all three of my computers seem very slow in rendering web pages after the update. It literally took me a minute to load NYT.com.

[njl]

i think it's funny how people think it's the end of the world to simply reboot. LOL are there not more pressing issues to bitch and complain about? :D

[iphones4evry1]

Does Safari 4 still store screenshots from your visited webpages?

I once read a story of a guy who have like 36MB on his hard drive taken up by those images which according to him can't be deleted

that's keeping me from updating

It's clearly a violation of our privacy rights. I'm surprised the ACLU has not risen a lawsuit in Federal Court, sighting Constitutional privacy violations.

[Bill Gates]

It's clearly a violation of our privacy rights. I'm surprised the ACLU has not risen a lawsuit in Federal Court, sighting Constitutional privacy violations.
How is it a violation of your privacy rights? What the images amount to is essentially highly detailed cookies. They aren't submitted to anyone and are stored locally on the disk. If you don't like it then don't use Safari.

[iphones4evry1]

I hope it is just the internet at work but all three of my computers seem very slow in rendering web pages after the update. It literally took me a minute to load NYT.com.

I had the same problem with the Firefox update also, and now with the Safari. It seems like the browser market has hit a "Vista" road block; they are updating for the sake of being able to say they have updated it, but the pork they are adding is slowing things down.

[IBradMac]

Just downloaded it. Don't notice much difference.

[iphones4evry1]

How is it a violation of your privacy rights? What the images amount to is essentially highly detailed cookies. They aren't submitted to anyone and are stored locally on the disk. If you don't like it then don't use Safari.

So how do I delete the screen shots before my mom reads all the emails I have been exchanging with my lover?

[chem]

That's exactly why I've been using FireFox. The GIF issue is annoying, because the sites I frequent, HEAVILY use gifs and it's frustrating when I want to use Safari but can't because of it's inability to load gifs.:mad:

Yeah the sites I visit don't even heavily use animated GIFs, but if even one of a decent size is loaded, the browsers just spinning beach balls. It's horrible. I use firefox for some sites just because of this.

[Bill Gates]

So how do I delete the screen shots before my mom reads all the emails I have been exchanging with my lover?
Why would your mom be snooping around on your computer in the first place? Haven't you heard of password-protection? Just use a different browser if you have an awkward privacy situation at home. Also note that you can easily delete the webpage previews by going to Safari -> Reset Safari and choosing to "Remove all webpage preview images."

[WeegieMac]

Yes, it does, but they can be easily deleted.

Does he mean the Top Sites images?

If not how do we remove these "graphical cookies" people have mentioned?

[gusious]

And more stable, too. Why is it always more stable ? Can't they just once and for all make it completely stable and not ever have to make it more stable anymore ? :D

I totally agree! :P

[njl]

for those of you with 1password issues:

update via 1password and it's once again integrated. agile team=WIN

that was really quick

[weckart]

Safari is not a core part. You can uninstall Safari without problems. This in contrast to not being able to uninstall IE on Windows. That said, I'm not aware of the reason it requires a reboot.

Not true. Part of the evidence given in the case against Microsoft's bundling of IE showed that IE was NOT that tightly integrated with core Windows code and could be uninstalled, as opposed to merely disabled. I remember using 98lite back in the day to do this just for yucks.

Some programs relying on HTML would be affected, but overall stability was not compromised. Windows Update from Vista onwards make IE's inclusion even more optional.

Windows 7 will launch in Europe without IE (unless plans change).

[donwlarson]

Even after all the Safari 4.x updates, it still refuses to open a index.cfm web page locally as it used to do.

I am forced to use Firefox just to open a local web page with the .cfm extension. :-(

[Bill Gates]

Does he mean the Top Sites images?

If not how do we remove these "graphical cookies" people have mentioned?
He does, and for removal instructions, see the post above your original post (the one quoted here).

[run-kmc]

i think it's funny how people think it's the end of the world to simply reboot. LOL are there not more pressing issues to bitch and complain about? :D

It an interruption I'm not used to. Mac OS has its advantages, but I'm just used to better stability and reliability, and being able to just keep on doing my work instead of waiting for the most recent version of Safari or iTunes or whatever to install.

[celticpride678]

Keywurl was not tested with this version and disabled itself for "safety". Is there anyway to enable it? Does it even work fine?

I have contacted the developer and he will hopefully be responding shortly. I will post back later if there is anything. I have not found a way to re-enable it.

[okrelayer]

im having so many safari issues with this update. I install/ restart. it just wont open. It eventually force quits it self. I uninstall safari and re install the new update and the same issues.. what gives?!

it said my cooliris plug it MIGHT have caused the problems (which is weird as its a plug in that only comes into play WHEN i access it. Anyways, i delete it.. same stupid issue. I guess i have to time machine the 4.0.1 update i time machined before 10.5.8

wtf

[Bruce32118]

ya beat me to it :D

thanks for any help that anyone is able to give :)

Bless the guys at Agile, there is a patch for 2.9.22 taking it to 2.9.23, this fixes the problem.

Use the 'Check for Updates' function in 1Password...

Bruce

[angelwatt]

Windows 7 will launch in Europe without IE (unless plans change).

Plans changed. (http://stuff.techwhack.com/7029-windows-7-ie-8-3) Unless they changed in the last couple days.

[lkrupp]

So 4.0.3 does not include the tabs-on-top feature? So disappointing! I've not updated to any of the 4.0 releases because I was so happy with that option in the 4.0 beta and I don't want to give it up!

Amazing how I'm willing to forgo security updates just for that one feature!? Please, Apple, bring it back.

Both amazing and ignorant in my opinion. :mad:

[njl]

Bless the guys at Agile, there is a patch for 2.9.22 taking it to 2.9.23, this fixes the problem.

Use the 'Check for Updates' function in 1Password...

Bruce

beat ya too it buddy! few posts earlier.. :p

:)

i got their tweet and updated it.. i like twitter cause it's like a miniRSS feed with "news" :D

[Mactagious]

updated, restart hang. Hard reboot came back up fine checked version, updated ok, flash on certain sites acting funny can't click. hmmm....

[Amdahl]

exciting always love new updates installing right now

Totally.. I had 11 updates today on my XP box. Go Microsoft!

[redking31591]

hey everyone,
I just found out if you have glims installed it won't work with safari 4.0.3 so you need to uninstall it with these terminal commands of safari won't start and it will just keep crashing.

sudo rm -rf /Library/InputManagers/Glims/
sudo rm -rf ~/Library/Application\ Support/Glims/

[irule1114]

It's not concern about a 36MBs. The problem is maintaining control of your computer.

Sometimes your browser gets redirected to websites that you don't want to go to. It might pose a problem if you are unable to delete X-rated images or other undesirable content from your hard drive.

As others have stated it is very easy to delete the images.
Safari > Reset Safari > Remove all Web Page previews

[irule1114]

Safari is not a core part. You can uninstall Safari without problems. This in contrast to not being able to uninstall IE on Windows. That said, I'm not aware of the reason it requires a reboot.

Safari is a core part of the OS. You can delete Safari from the Applications folder, but that does not mean it is gone. There are files elsewhere which are relied upon by OS X. These updates modify those. That is why a restart is required. The files must be able to be exclusively accessed for updating. That is why the system logs out and quits all non-essential processes when you preform the update.

[pimentoLoaf]

I also downloaded Safari for Windows to replace IE-8 today.

Primary reason?

When you open a new tab in Safari, you're not greeted with a "market research has determined you are mentally retarded and therefore need help in figuring out what to do next" screen:

[angelwatt]

Safari is a core part of the OS. You can delete Safari from the Applications folder, but that does not mean it is gone. There are files elsewhere which are relied upon by OS X.

Can you name any of those files? The "required" ones for the OS that is. I know about Safari's other files in the Application Support and caches and such.

[Bernd]

Can you name any of those files? The "required" ones for the OS that is. I know about Safari's other files in the Application Support and caches and such.

I have been told it is parts of Web Kit used by help viewer and things like that. Also Mail uses Web Kit to display HTML e-mail etc.

[phriedrich]

hey everyone,
I just found out if you have glims installed it won't work with safari 4.0.3 so you need to uninstall it with these terminal commands of safari won't start and it will just keep crashing.

sudo rm -rf /Library/InputManagers/Glims/
sudo rm -rf ~/Library/Application\ Support/Glims/

If you have access to a an older version of glims it still works.

Glims1b18 works here, while b19 crashes Safari at startup. Sadly I havn't found a download for this version, so I copied it over from time machine backup.

[angelwatt]

I have been told it is parts of Web Kit used by help viewer and things like that. Also Mail uses Web Kit to display HTML e-mail etc.

So, if you don't have Safari installed, does Mail not get these updates? Or perhaps a Mail update would handle it if the files hadn't been updated? Also, it seems on Windows, Safari updates also require a reboot. The same reasons couldn't be applied.

I'm not picking a fight or anything. I'm genuinely curious. I've seen other threads stating the WebKit idea, and that could be true. I'm not sure how integrated that is with the system.

[macUser2007]

I am getting ready to dump Safari and move over to Firefox or Camino.

Since v.4, Safari crashes at least once or twice a day. It seems to choke on Flash and Java content. Both Firefox and Camino load my iGoogle home page in half the time it takes Safari, or less. Both on all my Macs and on Vista.

If it wasn't for all my saved passwords, I'd have dumped it months ago.

Right now, the only browser that sucks worse than Safari is IE, but with IE it's all UI - it doesn't crash.

Anyway, if this update doesn't fix the crashes, Safari is gone (it spun fo about 20 seconds loading the macrumors page, most likely because of the ad. Stupid (Safari, not the ad, which pays for all this)).

[libertyforall]

Check out http://iphone.akamai.com

HTTP Adaptive Streaming is the big deal in this release, apparently...

[Amdahl]

So, if you don't have Safari installed, does Mail not get these updates? Or perhaps a Mail update would handle it if the files hadn't been updated? Also, it seems on Windows, Safari updates also require a reboot. The same reasons couldn't be applied.

I'm not picking a fight or anything. I'm genuinely curious. I've seen other threads stating the WebKit idea, and that could be true. I'm not sure how integrated that is with the system.

No, you just wouldn't get the update, until the big unifier updates that include Safari like 10.5.8, or 10.4.11. After that, Security Updates could provide Webkit-only updates. But usually it will be via a 'Safari' update.

[coolfactor]

Safari is not a core part. You can uninstall Safari without problems. This in contrast to not being able to uninstall IE on Windows. That said, I'm not aware of the reason it requires a reboot.

Safari, the application, is not part of the operating system. It can be removed, as you say, but it uses WebKit, which is further comprised of WebCore and JavasScriptCore frameworks. Those are integral to the operating system.

http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html

Updates to Safari includes updates to these three frameworks underneath, which are loaded at system boot.

Technically, Apple could send out "WebKit" updates separately from Safari, but they don't. I guess part of the reasoning is to keep things in sync with the Windows distribution.

[wankey]

Why is it always more stable ? Can't they just once and for all make it completely stable and not ever have to make it more stable anymore ? :D

More stable is simply a marketing word. It only takes one crash of Flash to make it completely meaningless.

[Takuta-Nui]

No problems for me. Did seem to take a bit too long to get to Mac Rumors, but that could just be me or the update settling in.

[angelwatt]

No, you just wouldn't get the update, until the big unifier updates that include Safari like 10.5.8, or 10.4.11. After that, Security Updates could provide Webkit-only updates. But usually it will be via a 'Safari' update.
Makes sense.

Safari, the application, is not part of the operating system. It can be removed, as you say, but it uses WebKit, which is further comprised of WebCore and JavasScriptCore frameworks. Those are integral to the operating system.

http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html

Updates to Safari includes updates to these three frameworks underneath, which are loaded at system boot.

Technically, Apple could send out "WebKit" updates separately from Safari, but they don't. I guess part of the reasoning is to keep things in sync with the Windows distribution.

Thanks for that. It goes along with an article I found on the topic (http://homepage.mac.com/simx/technonova/publications/integration_and_bundling_in_the_microso.html), which talked more about the frameworks and the various apps and functions that use them.

So essentially, Safari updates need a reboot because it needs to update core files, even though Safari itself isn't a core app, it simply uses them. Guess that makes the Safari updates a kind of drug mule (except of course it's not drugs in this case).

Thanks again for feeding my curiosity.

[redking31591]

If you have access to a an older version of glims it still works.

Glims1b18 works here, while b19 crashes Safari at startup. Sadly I havn't found a download for this version, so I copied it over from time machine backup.

i'm okay for now. I guess Glims1b20 will fix the problems

[marvingaye]

"Clear Recent Searches" doesn't seem to be available anymore (in the top-right search field). It was buggy in previous versions of Safari 4, but now it's just totally gone.

[bli625]

Every time I have to reboot just to upgrade a browser, I get that much closer to wiping the whole thing and installing yellowdog. So much easier.

Of course, since my iphone requires itunes, I'm locked in. Sigh. Time to go get that awesome 0.0.1 upgrade.

Are you serious? A simple reboot is enough to convince you move to another OS? That's just pathetic.. Seriously.. it takes a few more minutes of your life.

[MacMuttonchops]

Here's the requisite "Why must I restart?!?!?!" post.

In other news, let the snappiness ensue.

[ptsube]

What's up with all the restarts? Is this Windows?

[okrelayer]

after moving the safari .plist file to my desktop safari 4.0.3 FINALLY installs. However it lost support for inquisitor, and i was not seeing that. So i am happily useing 4.0.2 until these things get fixed.

[lancewyoming]

Does anyone know if this fixes the fading webpage during scrolling after fast user switching bug?

EDIT: I suppose that is to which this refers: Fixes an issue that could cause web content to be displayed in greyscale instead of color

[SansArc]

How about a fix for animated gifs. Does anyone else have issues with some sites or forums that have users with avatars with an animated gif? I always have to switch to firefox just to prevent from getting a frozen browser!!!:mad:

[Amdahl]

What's up with all the restarts? Is this Windows?

1999 wants its joke back.

But, no, this is Mac. Macs have frequent restarts. Windows doesn't.

[sl1200mk2]

Both Glims and 1Password not working? Makes sense, but I'll have to sit this one out for a few days until the updates for those roll in.

:cool:

[MikhailT]

Both Glims and 1Password not working? Makes sense, but I'll have to sit this one out for a few days until the updates for those roll in.

:cool:

1Password works fine, you just need to check for update, it'll update to the version that'll work.

[bed]

I have contacted the developer and he will hopefully be responding shortly. I will post back later if there is anything. I have not found a way to re-enable it.

keywurl works fine - you just need to change the safari version in the bundle:

- in Finder navigate to ~\library\application support\SIMBL\plugins\
- right click on keywurl.bundle and select "Show package contents"
- go into "contents" folder and open "Info.plist" in a text editor or plist editor
- under the "SIMBLTargetApplications" key theres a MaxBundleVersion key. Change this from 5530 to 5532
- save the file
- restart safari.

[Shin-Ra]

Really, really amazed the animated gif beachballing still isn't fixed. Not good.

[MacManiac76]

Both Glims and 1Password not working? Makes sense, but I'll have to sit this one out for a few days until the updates for those roll in.

:cool:

Glims still works fine for me after updating. And as already mentioned, there is an update to 1Password that makes it work again with Safari 4.0.3.

[dissdnt]

Hmmm anyone crashing a lot since this update? I've crashed 4x already in the last 2 hours.

[cbs31572]

So I tried to update to Safari 4.0.3, but now Safari won't even launch for me.


First error pop up

The application Safari quit unexpectedly.

Yadda yadda yadda

Ignore - Report - Relaunch

After I click Relaunch I get this one

Do you want to reset application settings for Safari?

Yadda yadda yadda

Do not relaunch - Reset and relaunch - Relaunch

Even if I click Reset and Relaunch it still will not start.

I have reinstalled Safari and I still cannot get it to open. Any suggestions? Is there any way to roll the update back?

Thanks,

Chris

[Catfish_Man]

Uninstall Glims if you have it installed.

[angelwatt]

So I tried to update to Safari 4.0.3, but now Safari won't even launch for me.

Try deleting the preference file.

~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Safari.plist

[daneoni]

I'd say it was snappier but i'd be lying its crawling for me for some reason

[libertyforall]

None.

Hmmm anyone crashing a lot since this update? I've crashed 4x already in the last 2 hours.

[RMo]

Every time I have to reboot just to upgrade a browser, I get that much closer to wiping the whole thing and installing yellowdog. So much easier.

I take it you've never used Linux, then--I reboot more often than OS X with Ubuntu, and since most of this software is common to most distros (e.g., GNOME, common libraries, etc.), it'd be about the same with any other distro.

Confession: sometimes, I'll hold off on rebooting after updating. For example, I still haven't rebooted after 4.0.2 ... but now I'll just do 4.0.3 and save me one time. :p

[Halethorpe]

I have a MDD Dualie G4. After my initial Safari 4 update I had several minor problems, which I "bug report"ed. The 02 update cleared up most of them, but my un-cached restarts of Safari were still taking in excess of forty seconds. When I restarted after this update I tried to check for this restart time, but my home-page opened before I could look up at my desktop clock.

Is that what they're talking about when they refer to snappy?

[ksbuckifan]

I had the exact same issue on my macbook pro running glims b19 but had no issues running the exact same build on my iMac. Removed b19 and reinstalled b18 and now all is good as described.

[andy721]

How bout you fix how much memory it uses and the performance is so laggy I don't know if it's the internet or the browser but all I know My internet is fast.

[Xenious]

"Clear Recent Searches" doesn't seem to be available anymore (in the top-right search field). It was buggy in previous versions of Safari 4, but now it's just totally gone.

I confirm this as well although I never had issues with it.

[macintoshtoffy]

Installed a minute ago just fine. Hung on "running installer script" for a while, but nothing too bad and no other problems.



IIRC, it has something to do with the fact that Safari relies on a lot of the same windowing and rendering tools that OSX itself does.... That may be completely wrong however :)

It does seem silly, especially when the EU is investigating MS for similar practices of too-tightly integrated browsers...

Please, you're sounding stupid - stop right there before you cause more damage.

Microsoft were investigated because they they not only bundled but they also forbade OEM's from installing competing browsers, forbade them from modifying the desktop to customise it, forbade them from dual booting the computers they sold. There were a whole host of restrictions - the issue wasn't just bundling but the OEM restrictions imposed ontop which stopped OEM's from bundling a competing browser as to allow customer choice.

So please, don't open your mouth unless you know what you're talking about - stupidity like what you displayed should be illegal under penalty of a public flogging.

[boer]

I believe it is because Safari is a core part of the operating system. For example, every time you go to help, you are really looking at Safari with a different UI.

You have to do the same thing with IE for Windows. Just get over it.

You have been using Windows for too long. Safari is just an application. You can even uninstall it, unlike IE.

[macintoshtoffy]

You say that as if it is a point of recommendation !?!,
Another reason I'm using firefox,

Which is a stupid reason - you still need to update because Webcore is used by more than just Safari.

[MorphingDragon]

Every time I have to reboot just to upgrade a browser, I get that much closer to wiping the whole thing and installing yellowdog. So much easier.

Of course, since my iphone requires itunes, I'm locked in. Sigh. Time to go get that awesome 0.0.1 upgrade.

You definitely havent used Linux. X11 needs restarting when you just need to change the resolution. (Im talking a proper system wide one, not those silly single user one that slowly ruins the system) Have fun with Flash, if you thought Mac OSX was bad. Or maybe the bootstrapper. Or the silly little rebuild updates that dont change anything.

[macintoshtoffy]

You definitely havent used Linux. X11 needs restarting when you just need to change the resolution. (Im talking a proper system wide one, not those silly single user one that slowly ruins the system) Have fun with Flash, if you thought Mac OSX was bad. Or maybe the bootstrapper. Or the silly little rebuild updates that dont change anything.

You don't need to restart X11 to change the resolution; if you've used Fedora 11, it can be changed on the fly for those drivers that support it.

With that being said - you do have to reboot with Linux, like you said; l whether it is logging out then logging back in or a full reboot.

[macshill]

What's up with all the restarts? Is this Windows?

PC: "Hi, I'm A PC."
Mac: "And I'm a Mac."
PC: "Wait a minute, Mac. Hold on here. Maybe I am a Mac after all. Gosh, darn it, we look so much a like now a days, it's sometimes difficult to tell..."

Happy Security Fixes And Reboot Day! :D :apple: We truly are one. "Kumbaya, My Lord. Kumbaya..."

[macshill]

You have been using Windows for too long. Safari is just an application. You can even uninstall it, unlike IE.

You can unistall IE if you want. I tried upgrading to the latest one overtop of the current one, but a bug wouldn't let me use the Google Toolbar. So I unistalled IE all together and got the latest one from scratch.

[MorphingDragon]

You can unistall IE if you want. I tried upgrading to the latest one overtop of the current one, but a bug wouldn't let me use the Google Toolbar. So I unistalled IE all together and got the latest one from scratch.

You cant "Uninstall it" in the sense that its so deeply integrated into windows explorer and other components. (Vista and Down)

In europe IE wont be included with 7 (Apparently)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

You cant "Uninstall it"
Someone hasn't kept up with the times. You can now uninstall IE from Windows.

[robegad]

hey everyone,
I just found out if you have glims installed it won't work with safari 4.0.3 so you need to uninstall it with these terminal commands of safari won't start and it will just keep crashing.

sudo rm -rf /Library/InputManagers/Glims/
sudo rm -rf ~/Library/Application\ Support/Glims/

It seems that only parts of Glims are incompatible with 4.03, since I have glims running, and no problems. However I have not all features of Glims enabled, a suspect for your instability may be "Show Favicon on tab label" which I have deactivated.

Greetings,
Rob E Gad

[MorphingDragon]

Someone hasn't kept up with the times. You can now uninstall IE from Windows.

You cant uninstall it uninstall it. (Remove it 100%, not norton uninstalling) Parts of it are still needed for programing APIs. You can remove the icon out of start menu and files in Program Files. "WINDOWS" folder still has Bits of IE in it.

*Source .Net documentation :S

[mihajlonet]

:confused:

Software Update says that my computer is Up To Date, but I still have Safari 4.0.2?!

[MorphingDragon]

:confused:

Software Update says that my computer is Up To Date, but I still have Safari 4.0.2?!

Downoad the update manually.

[mihajlonet]

Downoad the update manually.

But, why can't I see it in Software Update?! :(
It happened the last time also...

[MorphingDragon]

But, why can't I see it in Software Update?! :(
It happened the last time also...

:rolleyes:

[EmperorDarius]

keywurl works fine - you just need to change the safari version in the bundle:

- in Finder navigate to ~\library\application support\SIMBL\plugins\
- right click on keywurl.bundle and select "Show package contents"
- go into "contents" folder and open "Info.plist" in a text editor or plist editor
- under the "SIMBLTargetApplications" key theres a MaxBundleVersion key. Change this from 5530 to 5532
- save the file
- restart safari.

Thank you, it works. :)

[vanc]

Can you name any of those files? The "required" ones for the OS that is. I know about Safari's other files in the Application Support and caches and such.

/System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/

Safari is built on top of WebKit. WebKit provides the basic framework for use in other applications, such as Mail.app. Developers can also use WebKit framework to build their own browser based applications, such as NetNewsWire, etc.

That's also why updating Safari requires a reboot. As other said, exclusive access to the frameworks required to update.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

You cant uninstall it uninstall it. (Remove it 100%, not norton uninstalling) Parts of it are still needed for programing APIs. You can remove the icon out of start menu and files in Program Files. "WINDOWS" folder still has Bits of IE in it.

*Source .Net documentation :S

Well then you can't uninstall Safari from OS X, since webkit is so integrated into the OS.

[MorphingDragon]

Well then you can't uninstall Safari from OS X, since webkit is so integrated into the OS.

Youre telling me why?

[MacAndy74]

Another update. Meh. Safari is working as flawlessly as it always has for me.

[LordMelkor]

It seems that only parts of Glims are incompatible with 4.03, since I have glims running, and no problems. However I have not all features of Glims enabled, a suspect for your instability may be "Show Favicon on tab label" which I have deactivated.

Greetings,
Rob E Gad

Interesting find, but it seems like there is no simple remedy, since there is no way to disable that option once Safari has upgraded (since safari immediately crashes). Reinstalling Glims doesn't work since that feature is enabled by default (honestly the maker should have had all added features off by default, and let the user enable what he/she wants-- bad design). I was also unable to find any plist file or something similar that stores the preferences for glims.

Since I find Safari quite irritating to use without the added functionality of glims, I'll stick with Firefox, until they can pump out a fix.

[chan2004]

Another update. Meh. Safari is working as flawlessly as it always has for me.

hmm

Safari always crashes for me.
Anyway, Firefox is way better and reliable

[martynmc7]

hmm

Safari always crashes for me.
Anyway, Firefox is way better and reliable

I always found the beta crashed on me, but since Safari 4 went out of beta I don't think it's crashed once for me, and I tend to use it daily.

Mail on the other hand...

[appie57]

Installed 4.0.3 , no problems. Safari always runs ok for me (except for some webpages) never crashes. I have no third party plugins installed though.

[cal6n]

hey everyone,
I just found out if you have glims installed it won't work with safari 4.0.3 so you need to uninstall it with these terminal commands of safari won't start and it will just keep crashing.

sudo rm -rf /Library/InputManagers/Glims/
sudo rm -rf ~/Library/Application\ Support/Glims/

Actually, you don't need to perform the second part. Leaving it in place means that your custom search engines will still be in place once glims is updated.

[kosovosteve]

Thanks Apple, my online banking no longer works!

[twilson]

Why do I have to reboot my computer after installing a debug-release update of a web browser? It really beats me. Keep it separate from the OS... like a sane browser.

Because invariably you've either had Safari loaded, or some other application (by Apple or a third-party) is using the WebKit framework (which allows the browser to be separate from the actual OS as you want) and therefore it may not be able to be updated immediately as it MAY be in use.

So rather than potentially breaking a ton of running apps, it updates WebKit at the next reboot.

Pretty simple when you think of it.

[anim8or]

WTF!!!

First this update causes a freeze on restart on my Mac Pro..... took 3 restart to finally get past the grey apple screen.....

Now my digital banking service gives me a Unsupported Browser error even though they support safari 3.x and 4.x.....

WTF!!!?????????

[peterdevries]

Why do I have to reboot my computer after installing a debug-release update of a web browser? It really beats me. Keep it separate from the OS... like a sane browser.

Leopard reboots within two minutes. No-one is so important that they can't spare those 120 seconds. Get over it.. :rolleyes:

[Matt-Man-Plus]

So how do I delete the screen shots before my mom reads all the emails I have been exchanging with my lover?

Can't you just turn on "private browsing"?

[gaz617]

Glims works fine for me even with favicon's enabled. 4.0.3, did however break keywurl which is not updated as regularly as glims and will (i presume) stay broken for a while. Thanks to the poster who provided a fix for the keywurl incompatibility, much appreciated.

[Tumbleweed666]

Core web requires rebooting. The safari updates modifies system files. Its just like updating internet explorer.

Exactly. Now remind me why I moved to Apple? So I could have a Windows-like experience? :-(

[PMR]

Maybe in 2020 i can see animated gifs without ********** safari up. This is just sad...

[iPhoneNYC]

The new Safari took a couple of seconds to download. Restart is not such a big deal - took a pee and the computer was back up before I was back. On the system updates my MBP seems to take two or three tries to get going. This was the first time. No major changes that I notice and I still believe Safari - especially since the last update - is fast than Firefox.

[Droid13]

LOVE how it handles RSS feeds.

HATE how it handles almost any kind of animation.

Still needs a lot of work, but I welcome the update. Does anyone know why Safari has such a hard time with flash and other animation?

[iAlexG]

I love getting updates. You never know whats gunna happen!!! 10.5.8 fixed my monitor problems :D

[Xanderis]

I have encountered a problem now.
I just installed Safari Update, restarted my macbook, and as login in window appears, i enter the password and there's a blue screen for about a minute, and then login window appears again. And its over and over again, cant log in. And i have work to do!! Any ideas what's the problem?

[run-kmc]

You definitely havent used Linux. X11 needs restarting when you just need to change the resolution. (Im talking a proper system wide one, not those silly single user one that slowly ruins the system) Have fun with Flash, if you thought Mac OSX was bad. Or maybe the bootstrapper. Or the silly little rebuild updates that dont change anything.

I've never used linux on a mac. Maybe it is as you say, but I would go months without rebooting during the five years I used linux exclusively. Of course, I was never bleeding edge, maybe that had something to do with it.

[run-kmc]

Safari reboots within two minutes. No-one is so important that they can't spare those 120 seconds. Get over it.. :rolleyes:

It would be awesome if once every week or two my car just stopped. "Yeah, I need a few minutes." it would say. Then it would get all cranky when I insisted I still needed to go somewhere.

[safasule]

Installed it, works just as seamlessly as before the update.

[gamac]

It would be awesome if once every week or two my car just stopped. "Yeah, I need a few minutes." it would say. Then it would get all cranky when I insisted I still needed to go somewhere.

Wow, so you are the one with the magic car that never needs gas, oil changes, tune-ups, new tires, etc. etc.

[monster620ie]

1password is now not integrated.. i think.. i need to hit up their forum now.

Seems to work. After the update, 1password disappears. Just go to the 1password app and in the preference for browsers, uncheck it from safari and then check it. That fixed it for me.

[MorphingDragon]

I've never used linux on a mac. Maybe it is as you say, but I would go months without rebooting during the five years I used linux exclusively. Of course, I was never bleeding edge, maybe that had something to do with it.

PowerPC has lack of flash. Intel has lack of working drivers.

[LordMelkor]

I've heard hearsay that the glims problem is a ppc vs intel thing. (working on ppc and not intel)

[iphones4evry1]

I sure as hell hope the iPhone doesn't violate all of this privacy crap like OS X Safari. OMG. It would be a Big Brother nightmare. I can just see Apple uploading my browsing history and turning it over to Big Brother for "statistics" now. Sheesh. Good thing Bush isn't in office anymore. (note: this thread is not about politics; it is about Safari)

[MichelleAK]

How about a fix for animated gifs. Does anyone else have issues with some sites or forums that have users with avatars with an animated gif? I always have to switch to firefox just to prevent from getting a frozen browser!!!:mad:

Yup, same here. I've learned not to even attempt to access two communities I'm a member of because Safari always chokes on the animated gifs. I keep both Safari and Firefox open, and use Firefox for those two comms (and a couple of other sites that Safari still has problems with).

[nemaslov]

I hate that again they deleted the option to delete your google searches without deleting your history. What's up with that?

[redshovel]

Just got this from my banks website after the update.

'The Internet browser you are using is not supported by Anytime Internet Banking.'

Never happened before with any minor update :(

[twoodcc]

i need to download and install this

[cgdotcom]

'The Internet browser you are using is not supported by Anytime Internet Banking.'

If you turn on the Develop menu [Preferences->Advanced], then you'll then see a "User Agent" option in this menu. Choose the "Safari 3.2.3" option, and that will make your Internet Banking site think that you're using Safari 3, and let you in.

[redshovel]

If you turn on the Develop menu [Preferences->Advanced], then you'll then see a "User Agent" option in this menu. Choose the "Safari 3.2.3" option, and that will make your Internet Banking site think that you're using Safari 3, and let you in.

:D Thank you.......that worked a treat. Nice little work around that :)

[psingh01]

"Clear Recent Searches" doesn't seem to be available anymore (in the top-right search field). It was buggy in previous versions of Safari 4, but now it's just totally gone.

Thanks Apple! Now I have to clear my entire history to clear the searches. How hard is this to do?.....:mad:

[Applepi]

Safari has been crashing like crazy lately, plus it doesn't help it's running sluggish as ever. I don't want to use Firefox, but until a fix comes out I'm going to have to.

[jwb787]

1st post so don't slam me if I'm totally wrong here. I know you could always activate text to speech but it was a bit cumbersome, but I noticed after the 4.0.3 update that when I highlight text and right click, it gives a speech option. I tried it on an iMac in the office that was still on 4.0.2 and it didn't give that option. I also see this option in the Mail app now.

[D*I*S_Frontman]

Since I used SU to go to Version 4.0.3 (4531.9), it hangs up all the time. No option for sending a bug report to Apple--just "not responding" in red when I look in the Force Quit window.

This is frustrating, as I have really enjoyed the newer look to Safari, including the "Top Sites" display. Easy and fun. I have never had a stability issue with Apple software until now.

I have a MacBook Pro 2.0 Core Duo w/2GB RAM running Tiger (10.4.11 Build 8S2167). I don't even know what Glim is, let alone have it installed on my machine.

I hope this gets resolved. I prefer to leave beachballs on the beach.

[macintoshtoffy]

Since I used SU to go to Version 4.0.3 (4531.9), it hangs up all the time. No option for sending a bug report to Apple--just "not responding" in red when I look in the Force Quit window.

This is frustrating, as I have really enjoyed the newer look to Safari, including the "Top Sites" display. Easy and fun. I have never had a stability issue with Apple software until now.

I have a MacBook Pro 2.0 Core Duo w/2GB RAM running Tiger (10.4.11 Build 8S2167). I don't even know what Glim is, let alone have it installed on my machine.

I hope this gets resolved. I prefer to leave beachballs on the beach.

What plugins do you have installed? have you got any enhancements installed? what kinds of software do you have installed?

[gusious]

Apple has really messed things up with safari 4.0.1 and after.... At least for me. Now i have to use FF....

[macintoshtoffy]

Apple has really messed things up with safari 4.0.1 and after.... At least for me. Now i have to use FF....

You complain and yet you provide no information; to what benefit is it to whine on this forum if you don't want help?

[DELLsFan]

4.0.2 didn't last long.

No kidding. Got my update. I love Safari 4. "Top Sites" is probably the best feature I've seen in a browser in a long time.

[xlii]

In the little google seach window on the toolbar, clicking the little down triangle no longer offers you the option to delete recent searches. You have to use the reset safari menu.

[gusious]

You complain and yet you provide no information; to what benefit is it to whine on this forum if you don't want help?

Oh sorry didn't mean it that way. From seeing at this thread people are having and also problems that i have. Which are the same as everybody else. Problem with gifs,big loading times etc etc.:)

[D*I*S_Frontman]

What plugins do you have installed? have you got any enhancements installed? what kinds of software do you have installed?
I don't want to go down the entire list. Suffice it to say that I have not installed anything new recently, have not installed some of the other programs mentioned on this and several other threads I've read, experience the problem when nothing else is running except system essentials, and never, ever had an issue before 4.0.3.

One thing I have been able to replicate, however. If I click on an empty side margin on foxnews.com, that locks up the program 100% of the time--spinning beachball forever.

Please, no snarky comments about foxnews.com. It is just one example. I actually had the same thing happen on MacRumors.com as well, when I accidentally clicked on a sidebar before it loaded in completely.

I don't know if that helps. Certainly if there are merely isolated reports of problems, then each one is probably unique. But if many people are having similar issues, it might be a bug on Apple's end.

BTW, that's why the "me, too" threads actually matter. Yes, they suck for diagnostic purposes, but if there is a huge volume of them they can indicate a bigger issue.

[borgy]

I cannot customize my Safari toolbar now and it eliminated my 1password Icon which is needed to use the program effectively. Now I customize my toolbar and the next time I load Safari everything I added is gone and there are just a couple of icons I seldom use. I need the 1Password icon and would like not to have to customize each time I load Safari. Help appreciated. Thanks

[richard.mac]

update 1Password, or Google search how to change Safari's build no. in the 1Password plug-in, and then customise the toolbar. the icon should be there.