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MacRumors
Jun 22, 2004, 04:54 AM
The X-Type (http://www.thextype.com/?m=X-News) is giving away limited-edition black x-type iPods.

According to one unconfirmed report, approximately 100 of the limited edition iPods were made, utilizing. Any other details/confirmation would be appreciated.

J-Squire
Jun 22, 2004, 05:08 AM
Good for novelties sake. I have never been one of the voices calling for a black iPod/PowerBook/iBook. I like Apple's current colour scheme.

One question - what is this X-Type we speak of? A new car manufacturer?

brap
Jun 22, 2004, 05:13 AM
The X-Type (http://www.thextype.com/?m=X-News) is giving away limited-edition black x-type iPods.
Damn, those white buttons look st00pid... seriously. Looks like a shoddy spraycan job.
By the way... An x-type is a Jaguar (as in car, not cat) :)

ebunton
Jun 22, 2004, 05:26 AM
Seems to me like Jaguar may be trying to get in on the iPod bandwagon.
Maybe we'll be seeing integration with Jaguars too? (Jaguar as in the car maker)

Longey Nowze
Jun 22, 2004, 05:30 AM
looks ok... I want one but just cuz it's different, I'm sure in person it would look really nice... Apple has been doing a lot of deals with car manufactures Smart, VW, BMW and now Jag! cool! the iPod may become the new 8-track! it's about the same size isn't it? i don't know for i have only seen them on TV lol...

CmdrLaForge
Jun 22, 2004, 05:30 AM
One question - what is this X-Type we speak of? A new car manufacturer?

Not really. Its a Jaguar.

irmongoose
Jun 22, 2004, 05:31 AM
Aren't those just iPods painted black by Colorware (http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/accessoryDetails.aspx?categoryId=168&optId=1653)?

http://www.colorwarepc.com/_inventoryImages/productOptions/large/1653.jpg

Definitely looks like it.



irmongoose

TheT
Jun 22, 2004, 05:45 AM
Aren't those just iPods painted black by Colorware? Definitely looks like it.

That's exactly what I was thinking... no iPod SE, just some paint...

slipper
Jun 22, 2004, 06:11 AM
Aren't those just iPods painted black by Colorware (http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/accessoryDetails.aspx?categoryId=168&optId=1653)?

http://www.colorwarepc.com/_inventoryImages/productOptions/large/1653.jpg

Definitely looks like it.



irmongoose
or Krylon

oldpismo
Jun 22, 2004, 07:15 AM
looks ok... I want one but just cuz it's different, I'm sure in person it would look really nice... Apple has been doing a lot of deals with car manufactures Smart, VW, BMW and now Jag! cool! the iPod may become the new 8-track! it's about the same size isn't it? i don't know for i have only seen them on TV lol...

It may be worth pointing out that Jaguar is owned by Ford, so a deal with them could put them in all sorts of cars.

Ford owns

Ford (US)
Mercury (US)
Lincoln (US)
Ford (Europe)
Aston Martin (UK)
Jaguar (UK)
Volvo (Sweden)
Land Rover (UK) - for history, see Rover
Ford (Australia)
Mazda (Japan) - 33.3%
Kia (Korea) - 9.4%
Cosworth Racing (UK) - motor racing consultancy and tuner

burntoutjoy
Jun 22, 2004, 07:16 AM
It's the same goddamn image on thextype.com as it is on ColorWare! Check the dodgyness of the paint around the lower right of the screen.

Wash!!
Jun 22, 2004, 07:44 AM
On their web site they are giving away an ipod, but the music they are posting on their web site it can only be played on windows media player :rolleyes:

Talk about not doing your research....the ipod does not play wma files this guys on x-type are idiots.. :rolleyes:

nsb3000
Jun 22, 2004, 07:44 AM
The X-Type (http://www.thextype.com/?m=X-News) is giving away limited-edition black x-type iPods.

According to one unconfirmed report, approximately 100 of the limited edition iPods were made, utilizing. Any other details/confirmation would be appreciated.

Wow, these look cool.

jacg
Jun 22, 2004, 07:47 AM
It's the same goddamn image on thextype.com as it is on ColorWare! Check the dodgyness of the paint around the lower right of the screen.

Surely that's compression artefacts. Who would want any Apple kit with a *bad* paint job?

(TiBook owners need not respond...)

VicMacs
Jun 22, 2004, 08:10 AM
buttugly.... if its not applemade... its not worth advertising...

ziwi
Jun 22, 2004, 10:01 AM
It looks strange with multiple colors, what is next? Each button a different color? Maybe leave it all black and have the button appear based upon the heat of the finger touching it - a thermal sensitive skin or something.

mkrishnan
Jun 22, 2004, 10:11 AM
One question - what is this X-Type we speak of? A new car manufacturer?

The X-Type is Jag's C-segment car -- same size class as the Mercedes C-Class (C240/C320), BMW 3-Series (325/330i), and Audi A4. It's an all-wheel-drive car that is built off the same platform as the 2nd-gen Ford Mondeo (not the one sold in the US -- not sure if either the new Mondeo or the X-Type are sold in Oz). It came out about two years ago...my understanding is it got a pretty lukewarm reception because it doesn't really shine in any of the particular ways that the A4 or 325 do, but that its a pretty good car in general.

So one thing I didn't see at all from the website...what do you have to do to win a free iPod? Do you get enrolled in the sweepstakes when you do an X-Type test drive?

Bakey
Jun 22, 2004, 10:34 AM
It may be worth pointing out that Jaguar is owned by Ford, so a deal with them could put them in all sorts of cars.

Ford owns

Kia (Korea) - 9.4%
Cosworth Racing (UK) - motor racing consultancy and tuner

Not spltting hairs... but I thought Audi purchased Cosworth [Ford turned them down when given the chance] and Kia was owned by Toyota to act as their "lower end" market placing...!?

TimDaddy
Jun 22, 2004, 10:59 AM
Not spltting hairs... but I thought Audi purchased Cosworth [Ford turned them down when given the chance] and Kia was owned by Toyota to act as their "lower end" market placing...!?

Kia is owned by Hyundai. Neither are affiliated with Toyota. I've never heard of Cosworth. Isn't Audi somehow related to VW?

I find it interesting that after buying Jaguar, Ford managed to turn their quality completely around. But, at home, they still build a lot of garbage under the Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury names.

TimDaddy
Jun 22, 2004, 11:02 AM
So one thing I didn't see at all from the website...what do you have to do to win a free iPod? Do you get enrolled in the sweepstakes when you do an X-Type test drive?

It says you have to sign up for their newsletter.

andyduncan
Jun 22, 2004, 11:08 AM
Not spltting hairs... but I thought Audi purchased Cosworth [Ford turned them down when given the chance]

Ford did in fact pass on the opportunity to purchase the whole company. As a result Cosworth was essentially split in two (http://www.autofieldguide.com/columns/will/0900euro.html), Audi maintained ownership of the manufacturing and process development arm, Cosworth Technologies (http://www.cosworth-technology.co.uk/), while shortly after passing on the entire company, Ford purchased the racing division Cosworth Racing. (http://www.cosworth-racing.co.uk/)

Wonder Boy
Jun 22, 2004, 11:26 AM
that looks bad-ass. i hope i win.

mkrishnan
Jun 22, 2004, 11:46 AM
It says you have to sign up for their newsletter.

Oops, thanks! :)

FoxyKaye
Jun 22, 2004, 11:56 AM
Hey, an iPod is an iPod - I don't care what color it is. Besides, if I win one and really don't like it (doubtful), I can always sell it to some fanatic willing to pay for a "limited edition" black iPod and use the cash to buy an Airport Express. :D

Sabbath
Jun 22, 2004, 12:00 PM
Aren't those just iPods painted black by Colorware (http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/accessoryDetails.aspx?categoryId=168&optId=1653)?

Yeah thats what I thought as soon as I saw it. Shame they aren't limited edition, maybe with a jaguar laser engraved on the back or something, to make it a bit special, rather than something which looks worse than the original.

kuyu
Jun 22, 2004, 12:29 PM
Toyota's low-end tuner cars are the Scion's. http://www.scion.com I personally like the new tc. A black tc with a black ipod... Tight.

SiliconAddict
Jun 22, 2004, 12:44 PM
It may be worth pointing out that Jaguar is owned by Ford, so a deal with them could put them in all sorts of cars.

Ford owns

Ford (US)
Mercury (US)
Lincoln (US)
Ford (Europe)
Aston Martin (UK)
Jaguar (UK)
Volvo (Sweden)
Land Rover (UK) - for history, see Rover
Ford (Australia)
Mazda (Japan) - 33.3%
Kia (Korea) - 9.4%
Cosworth Racing (UK) - motor racing consultancy and tuner

You forgot one. Ford owns ****. Never forget ****. This from a VERY dissatisfied ford customer.

SeaFox
Jun 22, 2004, 01:27 PM
Why is this on page 2?

I mean, you can register right now to win it.
Not exactly an "unconfirmed" rumor when it's on their website.


Ford owns Volvo?

sonicsessions
Jun 22, 2004, 04:47 PM
Why is this on page 2?

I mean, you can register right now to win it.
Not exactly an "unconfirmed" rumor when it's on their website.


Ford owns Volvo?

Yes. Ford purchased the Volvo car division a few years ago, while the Volvo truck division (like semi trucks) is still it's own company.

Thus, the new s40 is based on a ford platform, and Ford's new 500 is based on a Volvo platform (s80, i think).

As for this iPod, I'll agree... hardly page2 rumor. A company I've done some work for was trying to be a part of this promotion, and they said it's most likely a colorware job with a jaguar logo on it somewhere, and not a special build by Apple.

And those white buttons look dodgy when the scroll wheel is black...

solvs
Jun 22, 2004, 05:13 PM
On their web site they are giving away an ipod, but the music they are posting on their web site it can only be played on windows media player :rolleyes:

Talk about not doing your research....the ipod does not play wma files this guys on x-type are idiots.. :rolleyes:

I'm at work right now (XP, ugh) so I can't test it, but it looks like they are just mp3 files. If they were unprotected wma, you could convert them on a PC, but what I saw all said .mp3 as the extension.

Although it should have said "best played on iTunes" or something like that. :p

LaMerVipere
Jun 22, 2004, 05:31 PM
This is a non-story, if you want a "limited edition black iPod" just go to colorware and order one! :)

titaniumducky
Jun 22, 2004, 06:23 PM
They're not special...

You can get those and a million other colors at colorwarepc.

puckhead193
Jun 22, 2004, 07:00 PM
Aren't those just iPods painted black by Colorware (http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/accessoryDetails.aspx?categoryId=168&optId=1653)?

http://www.colorwarepc.com/_inventoryImages/productOptions/large/1653.jpg

Definitely looks like it.



irmongoose

What was going on in my head was you can just buy it colorwarepc.com Although why would you want it in black? What about blue...or any color...
Any one order one from them/send them your ipod? feedback?

Nermal
Jun 23, 2004, 02:34 AM
approximately 100 of the limited edition iPods were made, utilizing.

Utilising what? :confused:

iMeowbot
Jun 23, 2004, 02:40 AM
Not spltting hairs... but I thought Audi purchased Cosworth [Ford turned them down when given the chance] and Kia was owned by Toyota to act as their "lower end" market placing...!?
Toyota's entry level subsidiary is Daihatsu.

TimDaddy
Jun 23, 2004, 03:37 AM
Toyota's entry level subsidiary is Daihatsu.

I forgot all about Daihatsu. Long live the Rocky! But, they quit selling those here a long time ago. I think quite a while before Toyota started buying up the company. And if you are in the market for a light-duty commercial truck from Toyota, then you have Hino!

Windowlicker
Jun 23, 2004, 06:20 AM
...UGLY!

AoWolf
Jun 23, 2004, 04:18 PM
VW owns audi and lamborghini. Contrary to popular belief it does not own porsche but they have a close relationship.

mustang_dvs
Jun 23, 2004, 05:16 PM
Let's put this to bed: It's the exact same image from Colorware.

... ... X-type ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Colorware ... ...

http://www.thextype.com/img_general/ipod_product_large.jpg http://www.colorwarepc.com/_inventoryImages/productOptions/large/1653.jpg

Perhaps Cosworth Racing will add a new specification to the Champ Car Series, requiring an iPod capability inside every CART racer... (They are the exclusive engine provider to Champ Car.) It's not unreasonable -- the LeMans GTS specification calls for a specific amount of dedicated luggage space and a passenger "seat."

SWC
Jun 23, 2004, 07:18 PM
I forgot all about Daihatsu. Long live the Rocky! But, they quit selling those here a long time ago. I think quite a while before Toyota started buying up the company. And if you are in the market for a light-duty commercial truck from Toyota, then you have Hino!


Kia is owned by hyundai as their new lower end models, if you notice hyundai in the last few years and really improved their vehicles and have a lot of upper end cars now.

iMeowbot
Jun 24, 2004, 02:33 AM
I forgot all about Daihatsu. Long live the Rocky! But, they quit selling those here a long time ago. I think quite a while before Toyota started buying up the company. And if you are in the market for a light-duty commercial truck from Toyota, then you have Hino!
DMC and Toyota joined up in the 1960s, but they went to a lot of trouble to keep the brands separate in the US. Too bad they yanked it here, because I want one of these toys (http://www.daihatsu.com/catalogue/copen/).

iDo
Jun 24, 2004, 08:41 AM
Offsubject:

Its cheaper to buy a colorware iPod and ship to the UK than buy an iPod of the shelf from Apple at the moment.

IVIIVI4ck3y27
Jun 24, 2004, 10:36 AM
Kia is owned by Hyundai. Neither are affiliated with Toyota. I've never heard of Cosworth. Isn't Audi somehow related to VW?

Some car history:

Ford I believe "owned" a small percentage of Kia when Kia was building the Ford Aspire and Ford Festiva. I am not sure if they disolved that stock arrangement or still retain some shares still, but I do know that Hyundai purchased the majority of Kia when Kia fell into financial problems. They were bought from the Korean government by Hyundai after falling into receivership. Hyundai in and of itself has some ties/financial arrangements to Mitsubishi for their car arm last I checked (used to use Mitsu motors but have divested themselves and use in-house engines now, but I do believe there was some talk of platform sharing with Mitsu and D-C), and that inadvertently links them to Daimler-Chrysler who owns a small percentage of shares in Mitsubishi, dating back to Chrysler's strong cooperative agreements and joint ventures which are still ongoing. After all, the current "statement" is that the next generation Mitsubisihi Lancer platform will underpin the Neon replacement when it's due.

Cosworth is a major engineering & motorsports firm that's existed for years (it's rival was Ilmor Engineering of England as well, which is owned by Daimler-Chrysler now; they build Mercedes F1 engines and were behind the old Chevy CART engines of the 1980's, and later the Mercedes CART motors). It was originally a tech firm specializing in motorsport engine development/tuning and evolved through success into developing motors for consumer cars (even doing specialty work), much as Lotus Engineering evolved from Team Lotus (F1), and Lotus Cars.

Cosworth's auto engineering arm was purchased from Cosworth by Audi.

The Cosworth Racing arm builds Ford's CART (now OWRS) engines that are used in open wheel racing and are wholly owned by Ford. They also build the Jaguar F1 car engines, and irony of ironies... via a financial contract (or a bailout if you will) they were licensed to replace GM's ailing Northstar/Aurora-based IRL engine with a Cosworth engineered IRL motor. This motor is often jokingly referred to as the Fordrolet in racing circles. Even with the bailout, the Cosworth Chevy motor has only merely been loosely termed as "competitive", if it can really be called that. It's better than the old Aurora/Northstar Chevy motors... but it's still not competitive with the Toyota/Honda competition.

As far as the VW/Audi relationship... it's a hard thing to explain. In the U.S. we have laws against companies operating or working in ways that can be deemed as a conflict of interest. VW and Audi and Porsche all have had historically splendid relationships with one another and have at time shared technologies/platforms/componentry between the 3. Neither is officially owned by the other although I believe VW/Audi has a partnership in stocks shared between the brands and have stronger ties than Porsche who just has shared the occasional platform (Cayenne/Touareg, 914). In the cases of ownerships though:

VW owns Bugatti, Bentley (obtained when BMW tried to buy the whole company and was sold only the Rolls Royce half outright, and controlled Bentley until a set date when it was turned over to VW), SEAT (Spain), & Skoda (Czech Republic).

Audi owns Lamborghini

Platform sharing between the brands is notorious, just as it is with GM, Ford, etc.

I mentioned Lotus earlier; it's a complicated mess as well.

The Lotus automotive and engineering firms were once owned by GM while Group Lotus (the F1 Team) was in a strong collaborative arrangement with Ford. Group Lotus last I heard had all but dissolved, if not it's running as a team in F3000 or F3 which I've not kept up on. Lotus Automotive & Engineering arms are now part of a Malaysian-owned company. I believe it's called Proton.

I find it interesting that after buying Jaguar, Ford managed to turn their quality completely around. But, at home, they still build a lot of garbage under the Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury names.

I think a lot of this isn't directly just Jaguar related. You have to understand, Jaguar's quality was abysmal when Ford took over. Ford was already on the path to righting the wrongs, but I think it largely stemmed from their European models (which still are superior to the U.S. models, but at a premium... much as GM's Euro brands like Vauxhall and Opel have higher levels of fit and finish compared to the U.S.s cars) as well as their collaborative efforts in working with Mazda and Nissan. Nissan built the Nissan Quest and Mercury Villager, and Mazda built the last generation Ford Escort, the Ford Probe, and is the platform foundation for Ford's forthcoming car that was to be called "Futura" (based on the Mazda 6) but has since been going through a naming revision because of some other company owning the rights to the name. The Mazda 3 is built on the next generation Ford Focus platform (not sold here yet) which is also used for the new low-range Volvo's. Working with the stronger build quality of the imports, I'm sure Ford stepped it up a notch.

Now as far as the iPod...

It's not very attractive in black. The white buttons look sick, and not in a good way either. I saw a recent Phillips mock-iPod design that was done in a metallic silver and laquer-finish black that was very attractive, even having a bit of that iPod-esque look to screen placement, typefaces for the screen, etc. It looks 100x's better than this. Then again, I'm (personal opinion) not as fond of the current generation iPod's design (looks more cluttered and less suave) in general though when compared to previous models, although the iPod mini is verrrrrrrrrry attractive. I like the white aesthetic, but it just doesn't carry the look on the current shape/design as well as the more squared off fresh bar of soap design of lore. The current looks like an old gen. iPod that was sat in the shower 'til the edginess gave way to the rounded bar of soap look. Even the typeface on the buttons just doesn't cut it for me, and I think it'd look more attractive with icons than lettering. That's just my opinion though.

Dr. Dastardly
Jun 26, 2004, 10:25 PM
Didn't Jaguar do this exact same promotion like eight months ago? The exact same color too, why black? When I think of Jaguar cars I think silver. Now that might be cool, an aluminum silver ipod or something. Not colorware.

IVIIVI4ck3y27
Jun 27, 2004, 12:04 AM
Didn't Jaguar do this exact same promotion like eight months ago? The exact same color too, why black? When I think of Jaguar cars I think silver. Now that might be cool, an aluminum silver ipod or something. Not colorware.

When I think Jaguar, I think British Racing Green, but that'd look awkward on an iPod. LoL Silver is more of a Mercedes color, same with Audi and Porsche. The Germans saw the loss of paint as a weight saving advantage when they changed their national color in racing from white to silver pre-WWII. The Auto Unions (nee-Audi) and Mercedes always had their silver cars (Mercedes Silver Arrows, Auto Union Silverfish). Even the early Porsche 356 sportscars in road racing were silver.

I do agree though, a metal iPod like the Powerbook and G5 would be super sharp. Then again, as noted before, Phillips has one that looks very similar to an iPod in aesthetic except for being silver aluminum and black laquer (likely plastic but very gloss-finish). It's very sharp, but I'm not sure how usability stacks up. It's interface looks a bit like the iPod (even similar typeface), both were 20 gig. as far as I can tell, the interfacing is button-based but I sort of prefer that to the mechanic-less touch sensitive buttons of the past couple iPod's just for the lack of tactile feel they provide. Granted they do have a "clicker" deal on the iPod that gives sound feedback, but it's alarming to me when they don't move button-wise. The Phillips aesthetically is a homerun, and if it functions close to the current iPod and somehow supports the Mac, it'd likely be a good alternative. Choice is good, whether you're a Macaddict or not, because it gives Apple drive to be better if they need to.

Dr. Dastardly
Jun 27, 2004, 12:47 AM
Yeah now that you say that about silver it reminds me of mercedes more than Jaguar.

Ha! If you want a "Limited edition racing green ipod" just go to the same place where they have the "Limited edition black ipods" at colorware. :eek:

They could at least put the jaguar emblem on the back. :rolleyes:

Or the british flag on it! Now that would be kinda cool. :cool:

EK03
Jun 27, 2004, 02:14 PM
i dont know if you guys have ever opened up your ipods, but the white buttons and scroll wheel are glued to the front. they just paint ontop of the clear plastic layer and dotn do the buttons because its too difficult. If they could, i would say make the buttons black too with a slight green LCd backlight and darker green LED for underneath the button. Lazer engrave the jag emblem and it would look outstanding. Im starting a computer company and was considering selling ipods to match the Pc color but not changing the button color looked too low quality for me.

wdlove
Jun 27, 2004, 02:37 PM
It's just a little too much black for my taste. I'm sure that some will look upon it as a novelty item though.

g4cubed
Jun 29, 2004, 11:28 AM
Utilising what? :confused:

I was thinking the same thing :confused: too.

Also looks like ***** with the small buttons white and not the scroll wheel. Or all black.

mflat5
Jun 29, 2004, 02:38 PM
The black i-pod is a brilliant marketing "ploy" to cross-sell by name brand association and demographic (given i-pod's higher price structure, they probably figured that those who can afford to buy jaguar cars can afford to buy i-pod at a clip <<especially the 15G ones>>).

Name-sake, it reinforces the brand name for both,and gives Jaguar a "hipper" edge by providing a LE i-pod that is beautiful in form and function. Limited edition-ing has been around for ages... many seem to want that special type that would be coveted and admired for its limited run.

Jaguar caters to the "elite" which happens to have expendable income for the latest products / devices / gadgets and also reflects a certain type of trend-setting consumer -- Apple has associated with that mindset and is pushing for all its worth.

I used to work in marketing and these types of cross-marketing techniques work time and time again.

Bravo Apple / Jaguar.

pozytron
Jul 2, 2004, 12:51 AM
Surely that's compression artefacts. Who would want any Apple kit with a *bad* paint job?

(TiBook owners need not respond...)
I don't think so... ColorWare paint jobs have always seemed, well, rather cheap to me. My friend got a red one. It looks like a home spraypaint job. There are spots that were missed around the buttons, and overall inconsistent paint thickness. It doesn't look terrible, but it doesn't look great either.

bumfilter
Jul 10, 2004, 05:56 PM
I believe it was Mazda who owned a chunk of Kia then Ford acquired this chunk when they bought 50% of Mazda.

Also, VW does own Audi though they might be "officially seperate" for the purpose of selling in the US. (I know this because they say it all the time on a show in the UK called "Top Gear"). They don't own Porsche but I read that there were very close ties between all companies (sharing managers or something) so they share a lot of parts etc.

The motor industry is crazy, I like the fact that Renault owns a huge part of Nissan and Nissan owns 14% of Renault. What's the point in that?!

Anyway, nothing to do with a black iPod.

PalmHarborTchr
Jul 11, 2004, 10:08 AM
The group zero7 with the re-mix HOME is a free download on the

site as are other less important songs.

HOME is the best Techno re-mix in the last 5 years.....download it to
your ipod and play it during your workout at the gym or on a bicycle
trek or running.

This :)

ObsidianIce
Jul 30, 2004, 08:57 AM
Oops, thanks! :)

isn't that supposesed to be "subtle" not subtil?


:)

mkrishnan
Jul 30, 2004, 09:44 AM
isn't that supposesed to be "subtle" not subtil?


:)

Nope, King James English.

Back *on-topic* did anyone end up winning one of these black iPods???? :D

Burns
Aug 1, 2004, 07:52 PM
Just had a look in at the black iPod and could anything possibly be more cheap, nasty and tacky looking? The iPod (white) is a thing of beauty and this botch job looks like my (ned of a) brother got hold of it whilst holding a can of spray paint.

A travesty... :(

oxypete5
Aug 8, 2004, 03:29 AM
As far as the VW/Audi relationship... it's a hard thing to explain. In the U.S. we have laws against companies operating or working in ways that can be deemed as a conflict of interest. VW and Audi and Porsche all have had historically splendid relationships with one another and have at time shared technologies/platforms/componentry between the 3. Neither is officially owned by the other although I believe VW/Audi has a partnership in stocks shared between the brands and have stronger ties than Porsche who just has shared the occasional platform (Cayenne/Touareg, 914).[/QUOTE]

The VW/Audi relationship is not a hard thing to explain. They are the same company. Audi is luxury arm of VW the same way Lexus makes luxury Toyotas and Accord makes luxury Hondas. Same company. Porsche is not the same company although there are working relationships and they often use the same parts, etc. In the old days VW/Audi and Porsche were all imported to the US by the same importer, called VW of america. There are also historical relationships between the car makers themselves, most famously that Ferdinand Porsche designed the original VW beetle and that these mechanics were integral to the Porsche 356 and later 911s.

bousozoku
Aug 8, 2004, 08:34 AM
The VW/Audi relationship is not a hard thing to explain. They are the same company. Audi is luxury arm of VW the same way Lexus makes luxury Toyotas and Accord makes luxury Hondas. Same company. Porsche is not the same company although there are working relationships and they often use the same parts, etc. In the old days VW/Audi and Porsche were all imported to the US by the same importer, called VW of america. There are also historical relationships between the car makers themselves, most famously that Ferdinand Porsche designed the original VW beetle and that these mechanics were integral to the Porsche 356 and later 911s.

Not exactly. Audi was a car company (NSU/Auto Union) before it was part of VW, unlike Acura and Lexus and Infiniti which were all created in the U.S.A. to market plain old cars as more expensive models to a sheepy public.

airmac
Aug 9, 2004, 06:11 AM
Ugly.

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