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mactastic

Jun 23, 2004, 10:30 PM

U.S. incentives offer faint hopes at Korea talks (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5270973/)

The offer to Pyongyang
Completing a policy reversal first mooted early this year, Washington presented a plan to allow other nations to supply energy aid and said it might consider giving North Korea assurances it would not be attacked.

In return, the communist state would have three months to provide a full listing of its nuclear activities, disable some dangerous materials and allow monitoring, senior U.S. officials said in outlining the proposal.

The offer was the first significant overture to Pyongyang since President George Bush took office and branded the North part of an “axis of evil” alongside Iran and pre-war Iraq.

The plan hinged on North Korea making the strategic decision to abandon its suspected programs — something it has refused to do during previous negotiations.

The flip-flopper-in-chief strikes again! Didn't Bush (and his many supporters around here) say that the Clinton policy of negotiating with NK was tantamount to the appeasment of Hitler? Now Bush is reversing course (once again) and is negotiating with a member of 'the axis of evil'.

So... what say you?

skunk

Jun 24, 2004, 02:33 AM

The flip-flopper-in-chief strikes again! Didn't Bush (and his many supporters around here) say that the Clinton policy of negotiating with NK was tantamount to the appeasment of Hitler? Now Bush is reversing course (once again) and is negotiating with a member of 'the axis of evil'.

So... what say you?
Glad to see he's so adaptable. ;)

blackfox

Jun 24, 2004, 02:58 AM

It is kind of heartening that even Bush will seemingly not consider a military action w/ reference to NK...I guess even he isn't that crazy...so what do you expect...bribery. Hey, it works too...in a cynical time, this is good news.

Thanatoast

Jun 24, 2004, 10:02 AM

the republicans gave clinton **** every time he changed a position. shoot, even his doonesbury symbol was a waffle. the administration has already branded kerry a flip-flopper, who is irresolute. considering bush just did a 180 and started "appeasing" a member of the "axis of evil", thus playing fast and loose with our national security (according to his own past words), i wouldn't mind if just this once the democrats nailed his ass to the wall.

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 24, 2004, 10:56 AM

U.S. incentives offer faint hopes at Korea talks (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5270973/)

The flip-flopper-in-chief strikes again! Didn't Bush (and his many supporters around here) say that the Clinton policy of negotiating with NK was tantamount to the appeasment of Hitler? Now Bush is reversing course (once again) and is negotiating with a member of 'the axis of evil'.

So... what say you?

Maybe he has heard the many voices that felt North Korea was a greater threat to the US than Saddam was.

I saw the handwriting on the wall when the news came out about troop reductions in South Korea. I would say that this a positive step. I just hope that it is not election year politics.

Voltron

Jun 24, 2004, 11:45 AM

U.S. incentives offer faint hopes at Korea talks (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5270973/)

The flip-flopper-in-chief strikes again! Didn't Bush (and his many supporters around here) say that the Clinton policy of negotiating with NK was tantamount to the appeasment of Hitler? Now Bush is reversing course (once again) and is negotiating with a member of 'the axis of evil'.

So... what say you?
I say he's screwing up and trying to out liberal the liberals again. :(
Hopefully he's just stalling for time, after all our troops are busy elsewhere at the moment.
Then again it should be the Chinese or the Japanese leading the offensive against N. Korea not us. We should not prop up that corrupt regime, the only reason they are becoming such a pain in the rear is because their government is going bankrupt. I say let it.

blackfox

Jun 24, 2004, 05:35 PM

I say he's screwing up and trying to out liberal the liberals again. :(
Hopefully he's just stalling for time, after all our troops are busy elsewhere at the moment.
Then again it should be the Chinese or the Japanese leading the offensive against N. Korea not us. We should not prop up that corrupt regime, the only reason they are becoming such a pain in the rear is because their government is going bankrupt. I say let it.
"Out liberal the Liberals"huh...well, this type of diplomatic policy (such as it is) has been used by both parties alike.
Are you advocating a military offensive against NK, Sly? You can't be serious...I guess you suscribe to the maxim "It is better to burn out than to fade away..."
Asian nations (particularily China) have been pressuring NK (by Diplomatic means)...and I feel that Korean unification is only a matter of time...
As far as the US "propping up a corrupt regime"...if I had a nickel...

Voltron

Jun 24, 2004, 08:53 PM

"Out liberal the Liberals"huh...well, this type of diplomatic policy (such as it is) has been used by both parties alike.
Are you advocating a military offensive against NK, Sly? You can't be serious...I guess you suscribe to the maxim "It is better to burn out than to fade away..."
Asian nations (particularily China) have been pressuring NK (by Diplomatic means)...and I feel that Korean unification is only a matter of time...
As far as the US "propping up a corrupt regime"...if I had a nickel...
I'm against military action against NK at this time.
I'm also against paying them a freaken dime.
They are in China's backyard let them deal with em.

blackfox

Jun 24, 2004, 09:21 PM

I'm against military action against NK at this time.
I'm also against paying them a freaken dime.
They are in China's backyard let them deal with em.
First line...Phew, I am Glad.

Second Line...which, considering the first line seems to advocate an isolationist policy, right? So we shouldn't meddle with other countries by financial inducement or direct military action...leaving what course of action?

Third Line...well the US did designate them as a problem and as part of the AOE, and there are Nuclear Profliferation issue the US has...but rest assured, China will. Out of curiosity, is not Iraq in China's "back yard" comparative to the US?

wwworry

Jun 24, 2004, 09:36 PM

Speaking of China, how come there is no global jihad against them? and don't they make practically everything sold in America?

Anyway, it's got to be cheaper than the $110 billion we are spending in Iraq. Why not just offer the guy $1 billion to leave? Who would turn down a cool bill?

and a new house with a 70" plasma TV with free cable and fully stocked bar

Maybe we could even have some sort of special deluxe resort for exile dictators. Halliburton could even get the contract. I'm tired of war.

Voltron

Jun 24, 2004, 09:36 PM

First line...Phew, I am Glad.

Second Line...which, considering the first line seems to advocate an isolationist policy, right? So we shouldn't meddle with other countries by financial inducement or direct military action...leaving what course of action?

Third Line...well the US did designate them as a problem and as part of the AOE, and there are Nuclear Profliferation issue the US has...but rest assured, China will. Out of curiosity, is not Iraq in China's "back yard" comparative to the US?
Iraq signed a peace treaty that was in our best interest to insure that they abided by it.
Iraq was also a direct danger to our allies in the area as well as our interests.
Korea isn't, yet. Maybe it might be a good idea to lob that new M.O.A.B. on top of their nuclear processing site and finish the argument right there. I don't see that as requireing much of a military action on our part other than sending the plane over.

G5orbust

Jun 25, 2004, 01:48 AM

Hey it could be worse. Thats all North Korea wanted anyway.

Voltron

Jun 25, 2004, 06:00 AM