Cheney losing it?

[Sayhey]

It seems that during a heated exchange with Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) that the Vice President lost it on the Senate floor. Unfortunately, I can't post his language, but you can read the story here.

wonkette (http://www.wonkette.com/archives/dick-advice-016782.php)

Is the stress finally getting to Dick?

[IJ Reilly]

He'd better watch that old ticker of his.

[zimv20]

wow. how soon 'til it turns into a South Korean National Assembly-style brawl?

[trebblekicked]

in the interest of integrity, we must treat this as we would anything posted from a blog. can anyone verify the story? transcripts, news articles?

<EDIT>
here's an ultra-vague, watered-down recounting from liberal leaning CNN:
LINK (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/cheney.leahy/)

[zimv20]

i find it highly amusing that this question posed by al franken to wolfowitz:
"so, clinton's army did pretty well in iraq, eh?"

and this statement (paraphrased) made by leahy to cheney:
"i don't appreciate being called a bad catholic"

should generate the exact same response.

it's further amusing to me that, should either wolfowitz or cheney decide to come to the MR political forums and post, they'd probably get banned quickly for violating the language rules.

[screener]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5289848/

[IJ Reilly]

Kevin Kellems, a spokesman for the vice president, said, "That doesn't sound like the kind of language that the vice president would use, but I can confirm that there was a frank exchange of views."

Isn't this just a little like Bill Clinton saying "I never had sex with that woman"?

[IJ Reilly]

Come on, don't be shy. The Vice President certainly isn't.

[screener]

Come on, don't be shy. The Vice President certainly isn't.

Shy? Me? Didn't notice the CNN link so had to find another one.
Sorry it took so long, slow connection.

[blackfox]

Well not to say this is necessarily applicable, but some heart medications can cause depletions in various needed vitamins...notable to the discussion is a depletion of B6 can cause "confusion, irritability" among others...here is a link to a study:
http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsDepletions/CardiovascularMedicationsVasodilatorscl.html

[screener]

Fox News has the story so it must be true,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123710,00.html

[Voltron]

It is possible Cheney said the F word.
Why make a big deal of it, nobody cared about the reasons that Limbaugh started calling F'n Kerry. Nobody cared about Hillary, Kennedy, that loser with no personality, or Al Gore blowing their stacks during various times on Television. So what is the big deal about Cheney using the F word, between sessions so it wasn't even a violation of the rules. :cool:

[3rdpath]

finally a bush/cheney slogan that reflects the party ideology...

GO F' YOURSELF IN 2004

[wwworry]

he needs to go in for a tune-up...
http://newjersey.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/1/CheneyCover.jpg

[Neserk]

It is possible Cheney said the F word.
Why make a big deal of it, nobody cared about the reasons that Limbaugh started calling F'n Kerry. Nobody cared about Hillary, Kennedy, that loser with no personality, or Al Gore blowing their stacks during various times on Television. So what is the big deal about Cheney using the F word, between sessions so it wasn't even a violation of the rules. :cool:


Because Bush/Cheney are suppose to return INTEGRITY to the Whitehouse. Use of that kind of language does not return integrity to the Whitehouse. :eek:

[Thomas Veil]

finally a bush/cheney slogan that reflects the party ideology...

GO F' YOURSELF IN 2004
:p :p :p

[Voltron]

finally a bush/cheney slogan that reflects the party ideology...

GO F' YOURSELF IN 2004
Kind of like John F'n Kerry right?
Or how about Gore's hysterical shouting crap that he's been spouting of late over the microphone. And so many people wanted that loser as presidenthttp://sharevana.com/forums/images/generalsmileys/nono.gif Talk about someone needing psychological help, both him and Dean.

[Chip NoVaMac]

wow. how soon 'til it turns into a South Korean National Assembly-style brawl?

Maybe that is what is missing from American politics.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Sure sounds like Cheney can dish out the political rhetoric, but can't take the same unless he uses expletives.

[IJ Reilly]

You know, you'd have thought Cheney was having a really good week, with the Supreme Court telling him he could keep his secrets. So what possible reason could he have for telling a US Senator to f-off? Could it be because he's basically a creepy and arrogant individual who's lost track of the difference between right and wrong?

[Chip NoVaMac]

You know, you'd have thought Cheney was having a really good week, with the Supreme Court telling him he could keep his secrets. So what possible reason could he have for telling a US Senator to f-off? Could it be because he's basically a creepy and arrogant individual who's lost track of the difference between right and wrong?

Even more scary is the fact he is a "heartbeat away from the office of President".

Because of his ties to Big Oil, his past work with the CIA, and so many current issues; I would not like seeing him with the power of President.

[Voltron]

You know, you'd have thought Cheney was having a really good week, with the Supreme Court telling him he could keep his secrets. So what possible reason could he have for telling a US Senator to f-off? Could it be because he's basically a creepy and arrogant individual who's lost track of the difference between right and wrong?
Ok how come I havn't heard you talk about how rotten Kerry was when he spoutted off with the F word starting the joke about John Fn' Kerry? Its ok when a Democrat does it but its the end of the world when a Republican does the same thing?

How about Gore's temper tantrums he held not to long ago on stage. You would've voted for him for president, and probably did. The guy screams like a maniac, much worse than Dean ever did. Or are you just a hipocrite? Maybe you just have amnesia.

NY post won't let me pull up the full article without being a paid subscriber but I found this link from then.

CURSING KERRY UNLEASHES FOULMOUTHED ATTACK ON BUSH
DEBORAH ORIN Washington Bureau Chief. New York Post. New York, N.Y.: Dec 6, 2003. pg. 008
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nypost/485105401.html?did=485105401&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=Dec+6%2C+2003&author=DEBORAH+ORIN+Washington+Bureau+Chief&desc=CURSING+KERRY+UNLEASHES+FOULMOUTHED+ATTACK+ON+BUSH

but then I guess that is different after all he's a Democrat.

ah here is a full story on that

Democrat presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry launches an X-rated attack on President Bush over Iraq and uses the F-word in a new interview with Rolling Stone magazine.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35997

So get off your high horse about Cheney cussing out some smart ass Senator who probably deserved a little chewing out.

[LeeTom]

Ok how come I havn't heard you talk about how rotten Kerry was when he spoutted off with the F word starting the joke about John Fn' Kerry? Its ok when a Democrat does it but its the end of the world when a Republican does the same thing?

How about Gore's temper tantrums he held not to long ago on stage. You would've voted for him for president, and probably did. The guy screams like a maniac, much worse than Dean ever did. Or are you just a hipocrite?

I think you're missing the point. When All those people swore, they got theirs. Now it's Dick's turn. Quit your whining!

Lee Tom

[Voltron]

I think you're missing the point. When All those people swore, they got theirs. Now it's Dick's turn. Quit your whining!

Lee Tom
Not by the people on here. They ignore Gore's tirade and continue preaching about how Gore should've been President. Their hypocrites willing to ignore anything their own party does as long as it is the means to the end to getting ride of the other party. Hmm Machiavellian comes to mind.

[Neserk]

As I've explained. When you make high and mighty claims about your morality and claim to be above others you must show yourself to have more moral behavior than others.

[LeeTom]

Not by the people on here. They ignore Gore's tirade and continue preaching about how Gore should've been President. Their hypocrites willing to ignore anything their own party does as long as it is the means to the end to getting ride of the other party. Hmm Machiavellian comes to mind.

1. by far, most people on here are liberals
2. i would bet that, by far, most people here do not officially belong to the democratic party.
3. perhaps when people ignore something, such as Gore's "tirade," it's because they agree with it.
There's nothing hypocritical about any of this. People have a right to express opinions, and to not express opinions. If someone brings up Cheney swearing, it could be because it's funny. It could be because they hate him. It could be because it's the right wing that professes to have more Christian values, and so THEY are the ones being hypocritical, and that makes it fun!

You do the same thing as every conservative. When someone mentions what a conservative has done, you shift focus onto other people that have done the same thing, trying to prove that it's right, because someone else has done it too.

[3rdpath]

Quit your whining!



first giggle of the day.
:D

[Sayhey]

If someone brings up Cheney swearing, it could be because it's funny. It could be because they hate him. It could be because it's the right wing that professes to have more Christian values, and so THEY are the ones being hypocritical, and that makes it fun!

Bingo! on all counts. :D

[Voltron]

If someone brings up Cheney swearing, it could be because it's funny. It could be because they hate him. It could be because it's the right wing that professes to have more Christian values, and so THEY are the ones being hypocritical, and that makes it fun!

You do the same thing as every conservative. When someone mentions what a conservative has done, you shift focus onto other people that have done the same thing, trying to prove that it's right, because someone else has done it too.
You know, you'd have thought Cheney was having a really good week, with the Supreme Court telling him he could keep his secrets. So what possible reason could he have for telling a US Senator to f-off? Could it be because he's basically a creepy and arrogant individual who's lost track of the difference between right and wrong?
Or it could be they are hypocrits willing to overlook their own party's crap because nothing is more important than beating the republicans?

[patrick0brien]

-All

I find this conversation interesting - Isn't getting in an uproar about 'watching our language' an act usually reserved for conservatives?

Oh, the irony.

This 'Us vs. Them' attitude between Liberals and Conservatives is vapor. People aren't as different as some would like us to believe.

[Chip NoVaMac]

This 'Us vs. Them' attitude between Liberals and Conservatives is vapor. People aren't as different as some would like us to believe.

One would think. But the realities are much different. It is my view there was a change in the political atmosphere during the Reagan Revolution. Republicans celebrated and took it as vindication for their own version of "scorched earth" policies. They attempted to take the "high road" and some parts of the Party courted heavily the Christian Right. But in the end they are just human, and commit the same sins as those "damn liberals".

As one that leans towards the Democratic side of the house, all i want is Republicans to standup against the "crimes" of their own party members as they try to bring down the Democratic opponents. And since they can't seem to have the you know what's to do the right thing, then is the responsibility of the Democratic Party to try and do it.

But we the people are the problem. We keep electing the scoundrels from both parties, time and time again.

[Voltron]

But we the people are the problem. We keep electing the scoundrels from both parties, time and time again.
There is no third viable option :(
Have to vote Bush in or we get stuck with Kerry. Kerry would turn us over to the UN and forget about being self rulled again, Kerry would try to pay off every terrorist in the world and eventually turn us into a third world country.

Thus vote for Bush because we are voting against Kerry. I also would hate the Democrats selecting our supreme court justices.

One good libertarian running for office who might actually win would get my vote if it weren't for the fact that voting for a libertarian actually gets us a Democrat president. So from my point of view there is no winning, there is only trying to prevent losing by insuring Kerry doesn't win the election.

How about some Democrats vote for libertarians for a change.

[patrick0brien]

-Chip NoVaMac

Well said and diplomatically put :D And I see your point.

-Voltron

Too true, unfortunately, that was something that the Founding Fathers missed when scribing the Constitution. Though they envisioned a three-party system, much like the overall three-branches of government itself, they didn't but it down in writing, soo, it became two, without a check/balance of a third.

[Chip NoVaMac]

-Chip NoVaMac

Well said and diplomatically put :D And I see your point.



Thanks, I did write it in such away to also show that i have my biases, like most people do. I think also in order to have a healthy dialog, it also helps in seeing where someone comes from.

I would welcome someone from the Right side of the aisle to try and explain why they were driven away from "respect" or "acceptance' of the Democratic Party as part of the political landscape. Hopefully without the rhetoric that makes a good sound-bite for Rush or Air America.

For me I would rather see "tax and spend" than "tax cuts and spend". For myself I would rather see investigations of wrong doing by administration members, of things they did and are doing while in that office. Not something that was done prior to getting into office (the only exception would be for something that the statue of limitations are about to run out on, or for a violent felony).

I will admit to my own bashing of the other-side. For in today's climate that seems to be the only thing that gets heard. Rational discussion gets lost.

[wwworry]

Or it could be they are hypocrits willing to overlook their own party's crap because nothing is more important than beating the ....

then maybe you should look at this

http://www.overspun.com/video/DailyShow.cheneylies.rm
(4 MB download)

very funny. Makes me almost want to get cable.

[zimv20]

then maybe you should look at this

http://www.overspun.com/video/DailyShow.cheneylies.rm
(4 MB download)

heh heh.

damn that liberal media and their tendency to keep documentation!

[IJ Reilly]

As I've explained. When you make high and mighty claims about your morality and claim to be above others you must show yourself to have more moral behavior than others.

Well exactly. I don't suppose any of us would have to think very long to come up with a half-dozen examples of prominent Republicans affecting a holier-than-thou attitude. Right-wing rhetoric is so over-saturated with self-righteousness these days you have to wonder how they get anything done, with all the time they spend in church, saluting the flag and cultivating good family values. As any comedian will tell you, there are few things inherently funnier than human hypocrisy (or a failure of self-knowledge).

This thing with Cheney, it's no big deal. But it certainly is humorous.

[wwworry]

Cheney is using the Prague meeting as one of his main links between Hussein and Al Qeada. I think the clip says it all.

[Neserk]

then maybe you should look at this

http://www.overspun.com/video/DailyShow.cheneylies.rm
(4 MB download)



Very funny. And very revealing.

[IJ Reilly]

The latest: On Faux News, Cheney effectively admitted that he used the f-word, and not only did he fail to apologize for directing that oath against a US Senator, he said he felt it was "appropriate" and he "felt better" after he used it.

Any questions?

[skunk]

Any questions?
How did he get to be Vice President?

[zimv20]

The latest: On Faux News, Cheney effectively admitted that he used the f-word, and not only did he fail to apologize for directing that oath against a US Senator, he said he felt it was "appropriate" and he "felt better" after he used it.

and according to abcnews, some senators supported it, saying "it was a long time coming." the senators were not identified.

[IJ Reilly]

How did he get to be Vice President?

When I say "any questions," I mean any question but that one.

Any questions?

[skunk]

When I say "any questions," I mean any question but that one.
Oh. Sorry :o

[skunk]

Any questions?
Not effing likely. :cool:

[Chip NoVaMac]

The latest: On Faux News, Cheney effectively admitted that he used the f-word, and not only did he fail to apologize for directing that oath against a US Senator, he said he felt it was "appropriate" and he "felt better" after he used it.

Any questions?

Yeah I read a good well balanced article in the Washington Post. It really seems to be more do as I say, not as I do with Cheny and his fellow Republicans.

So of what Cheney said is bothersome since the Bush-Cheney ticket talked of compassion. Also the lessons that Ronald Reagan tried to impart by not trying to drive a wedge between Republicans and Democrats needlessly are now lost today.

Some of the highlights that really shows his true colors:



Later in the interview, Cheney added, laughing, that "a lot of my colleagues felt that what I had said badly needed to be said, that it was long overdue."

As it happens, the exchange occurred on the same day the Senate passed legislation described as the "Defense of Decency Act" by 99 to 1.

Gleeful Democrats pointed out that the White House has not always been so forgiving of obscenity. In December, Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry was quoted using the same word in describing Bush's Iraq policy as botched. The president's chief of staff reacted with indignation.


"That's beneath John Kerry," Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. said. "I'm very disappointed that he would use that kind of language. I'm hoping that he's apologizing at least to himself, because that's not the John Kerry that I know."




What is sadder how the quality of the English language has fallen.

[skunk]

What is sadder how the quality of the English language has fallen.
Hmmm. I could not possibly comment...

[Voltron]

I would welcome someone from the Right side of the aisle to try and explain why they were driven away from "respect" or "acceptance' of the Democratic Party as part of the political landscape. Hopefully without the rhetoric that makes a good sound-bite for Rush or Air America.



Bush went to far trying to appease the left.
He gave the UN 12 months worth of arguments in attempting to get behind us, while Saddam could have increased his defenses. 12 wasted months, he should've gone in without listening to Powell.

Bush gave Kennedy the education bill which he authored. Soon as it passed Kennedy and others were again out there talking trash about Bush's education bill. Wait a sec wasn't it Kennedy's education bill.

The democrats refuse to allow an up or down vote on jurists. They filibuster anyone they feel is anti-abortion. We are not tlaking about locking them up in committee but going a step further and fillibustering the senate.

Every time you give them an inch they try to take a mile and then bitch you out for not letting them. It just aint worth it. What makes it worse is the Republicans in congress are a bunch of wimps just like Bush who refuses to understand that when Democrats play hardball with you, you play harderball right back. Appeasements have been tried and failled. Just like Israel trying to appease the Palestinians, Bush has tried to appease the Democrats and both were proven to be a waste of time for they turn around and slap you in the face for the effort. So screw them and lets do some real politics and stand up to them for once. They have the majority for Gods sake it is time they started acting like it. Or they might as well not win any elections, for what other reason were they put up there?

[IJ Reilly]

Maybe we should all go on a well-publicized hunger strike until Andy Card expresses his disappointment with Dick Cheney over his choice of language. Might I suggest the appropriate words:

"That's beneath Dick Cheney. I'm very disappointed that he would use that kind of language. I'm hoping that he's apologizing at least to himself, because that's not the Dick Cheney that I know."

[zimv20]

What is sadder how the quality of the English language has fallen.
uhhhh... you're short a verb there, pal :-)

[Voltron]

Maybe we should all go on a well-publicized hunger strike until Andy Card expresses his disappointment with Dick Cheney over his choice of language. Might I suggest the appropriate words:


Please do.

[Chip NoVaMac]

uhhhh... you're short a verb there, pal :-)

LOL, see without expletives we are lost :)

[mactastic]

BFD. Is anyone surprised that this is how Cheney (and probably most of the Bushies) feel about Democrats in particular and liberals generally? We are the evil enemy to them.

[Voltron]

BFD. Is anyone surprised that this is how Cheney (and probably most of the Bushies) feel about Democrats in particular and liberals generally? We are the evil enemy to them.
Is anyone surprised that Kerry thinks Republicans are lieing backstabbing dishonorable scumbags or something to that effect? Democrats do tend to think Republicans are the evil enemy and believe that any means justifies the removal of a Republican even to the point to discuss assassination of Republicans. Ask Kerry about that, he was in such a discussion that he didn't bother to report on.

[mactastic]

So Sly, are you going to come out and say that Cheney's language was innapropriate, since you have castigated Kerry for his? Or are you going to assert that because Kerry did it, Cheney can too? IOW in your world, do two wrongs equal one right?

[Voltron]

So Sly, are you going to come out and say that Cheney's language was innapropriate, since you have castigated Kerry for his? Or are you going to assert that because Kerry did it, Cheney can too? IOW in your world, do two wrongs equal one right?
I never castigated Kerry for doing it I thought it was funny.
I'm just upset at the hypocrites who are gripping about Cheney while they keep their mouths shut about their own people.

Gore and Dean on the other hand, thats another story. Big difference between tossing a few cuss words around and completly losing it and looking like a maniac while doing so.

[mactastic]

I never castigated Kerry for doing it I thought it was funny.
I'm just upset at the hypocrites who are gripping about Cheney while they keep their mouths shut about their own people.

Gore and Dean on the other hand, thats another story. Big difference between tossing a few cuss words around and completly losing it and looking like a maniac while doing so.

Yeah you just keep getting upset at the hypocrasy... Just as long as that anger doesn't flow towards anyone on the right eh? :D

[skunk]

Quite a nice summing-up here:
http://www.iht.com/articles/526975.html

Maureen Dowd: Is Cheney losing it?

Maureen Dowd NYT

Tuesday, June 29, 2004
WASHINGTON One thing you've got to say for Dick Cheney: No one will ever again dismiss the vice presidency as a pitcher of warm spit.
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Mr. Major League Potty Mouth has shown that, with obsequiousness to the president and obtuseness to the facts, a vice president can run the world. Right into the ground.
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This week, it's not just Democrats who are questioning whether Vice is losing it.
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Now, even some in the White House are saying it's bizarre that he chose a class photo-op on the Senate floor to suggest that Senator Patrick Leahy do something that you won't even find described in Bill Clinton's "My Life."
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While Democratic lawmakers delayed final passage of a defense spending bill so they could mingle with Michael Moore, the once sweat-free Bushies were acting jangly.
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First Vice chewed out The New York Times for accurately reporting that the 9/11 commission said there was no collaborative relationship between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Then Paul Wolfowitz called the reporters risking their lives in Iraq craven rumormongers. Then came Cheney's F-word. (Not Fox, the other one.)
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Finally, President George W. Bush got agitated when an Irish TV interviewer said most of the Irish found the world more dangerous now than before the Iraq invasion. "First of all, most of Europe supported the decision in Iraq," Bush declared. (It's all in how you define "Europe.")
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Even as Tom Daschle proposed bipartisan family retreats to heal the harsh mood, even as the Senate passed the "Defense of Decency Act," Cheney profanely laced into Leahy for criticizing Halliburton's getting no-bid contracts.
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"I felt better afterwards," he told Neil Cavuto during a no-bid interview with Fox News. Hey, if it feels good, Dick, do it.
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He said he had no regrets about his "little floor debate in the United States Senate." He didn't want to go along with Leahy's attitude that "everything's peaches and cream" when the Democrat had just been jawing about Halliburton war profiteering. Peaches and cream have never been on the Bush-Cheney menu, only brimstone and gall.
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By playing on the insecurities of an inexperienced leader, Cheney has managed to change W. from a sunny, open, bipartisan, uniter-not-a-divider, non-nation-builder into a crabby, secretive, partisan, divider-not-a-uniter, inept imperialist. Vice is bounding around the country, talking to his usual circumscribed audiences of conservatives, rightist think tanks and Fox News anchors. No need to burrow in the bunker when you've turned America into one.
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As they used to say about the Soviet Union, the defensive Bush imperialists have to keep expanding because they're encircled. Cheney's gloomy, scary, contentious worldview has fueled a more gloomy, scary, contentious world.
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After disastrously dividing the world into the strong (Bush hawks) and the weak (everyone else), Vice turned his coarseness into another macho, tough-guy moment against a Democrat considered a pill by many Republicans. "I think a lot of my colleagues felt that what I had said badly needed to be said, that it was long overdue," he preened.
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The conservatives defending Cheney are largely the same crowd that went off the deep end because of a glimpse of breast on the Super Bowl, demanding everything from fines to new regulations to protect red states from blue language.
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Cheney's outburst was not as bad as his reasoning. On Fox, he again belabored his obsession with "links" between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Exhibiting WASP chutzpah, this time he used The Times to bolster his faux case.
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But the Thom Shanker story he cited said only that in the mid-1990's, Iraq agreed to rebroadcast anti-Saudi propaganda and that a request from Osama "to begin joint operations against foreign forces in Saudi Arabia went unanswered."
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Rebroadcast anti-Saudi propaganda? As a threat to U.S. security, that's right up there with Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities."
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Cheney assured Fox's anxious viewers that he would stay on the ticket and in the White House until January '09. (No four letter words, dear Democrats.) Vice said of W., "he knows I'm there to serve him."
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Bush must have missed that classic "Twilight Zone" episode where the aliens arrive with a book entitled, "To Serve Man." It turns out to be a cookbook.