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ProvenGuilty
Aug 19, 2009, 09:44 PM
Hello World,

I found this forum through a google search, and wanted to put the word out. It seems choppy, laggy or otherwise unplayable youtube videos and other streams using Adobe Flash 9 or 10 on OS X 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5 is a very common headache with no clear resolution other than, 'Your CPU is too slow".

It seems I may have found a suitable fix to allow flash videos (as poorly as adobe flash is coded for Linux and OS X platforms) to finally play on my old, but very much alive 12" PowerBook G4. I'm not talking HD videos in DVD glass pond-like quality, but I'm talking 1fps to an estimated 10-15fps with mp3 quality audio that doesn't stutter.

My specs as tested and functioning:

System: 1Ghz PowerPC G4 12" aluminum
Version: OS X 10.5.8 (originally came with 10.3.9)
Video: GeForce FX Go5200 32MB
Memory: 768MB DDR (upgraded from stock)
HDD: 160GB Western Digital (upgraded from stock)

ALL I had to do (not perfect, but very very noticeable improvement!) was right-click the video while it was playing, and choose the 'settings' menu for Adobe Flash player. From there, I simply unchecked the "Use Hardware Acceleration" on the Display tab, and bump the "Local Storage" tab slider bar up to 10MB.

If anyone else is or was experiencing this problem, please try this quick and easy work-around out and share your experiences. If we can get a few to confirm, I'd be happy to seed it on the google interwebs so others can find the information easily.

Best Regards,

Christopher-John :apple:



cbruno
Sep 12, 2009, 02:46 PM
I did what you said and yes my powerbook G4 showed decent improvement in youtube flash playback. Went from being barely watchable to watchable.

Specs:

Powerbook G4 1.5 GHz
1.25 GB RAM
Nvidia 5200 64 MB
80 GB Hard Drive

Freyqq
Sep 12, 2009, 03:31 PM
turning off hardware acceleration improves performance?

janihenn
Apr 3, 2010, 09:52 AM
Hello World,

I found this forum through a google search, and wanted to put the word out. It seems choppy, laggy or otherwise unplayable youtube videos and other streams using Adobe Flash 9 or 10 on OS X 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5 is a very common headache with no clear resolution other than, 'Your CPU is too slow".

It seems I may have found a suitable fix to allow flash videos (as poorly as adobe flash is coded for Linux and OS X platforms) to finally play on my old, but very much alive 12" PowerBook G4. I'm not talking HD videos in DVD glass pond-like quality, but I'm talking 1fps to an estimated 10-15fps with mp3 quality audio that doesn't stutter.

My specs as tested and functioning:

System: 1Ghz PowerPC G4 12" aluminum
Version: OS X 10.5.8 (originally came with 10.3.9)
Video: GeForce FX Go5200 32MB
Memory: 768MB DDR (upgraded from stock)
HDD: 160GB Western Digital (upgraded from stock)

ALL I had to do (not perfect, but very very noticeable improvement!) was right-click the video while it was playing, and choose the 'settings' menu for Adobe Flash player. From there, I simply unchecked the "Use Hardware Acceleration" on the Display tab, and bump the "Local Storage" tab slider bar up to 10MB.

If anyone else is or was experiencing this problem, please try this quick and easy work-around out and share your experiences. If we can get a few to confirm, I'd be happy to seed it on the google interwebs so others can find the information easily.

Best Regards,

Christopher-John :apple:

Those setting options aren't available with Flash 9, which I downgraded to in order to watch Youtube videos.....is it just in Flash 10?

ArtM16
Apr 10, 2010, 08:50 PM
I found some workarounds (at least for my 1.5Ghz G4, 1GB ram, with Leopard 10.5.8)

Install a G4 Optimized version of one of these browsers:
Optimized Firefox 3.6.3 for G4
and/or
Optimized Camino 2.0.2 for G4

Install Flash 10.0.4
- many people are saying that Flash 10 is too slow, but you need it to run latest web apps, Hulu, or to watch HD videos - there is little choice here, but its ok because it should still work for most 1Ghz+ powerbooks

Launch any flash video (YouTube, Hulu, etc.).
When the video comes up right click on it, you should see a Flash Plugin Menu. Go into:
- settings: enable hardware acceleration (disable it if it causes problems)
- settings: increase storage limit to 10MB
- quality: set to Medium or Low (depending on your system)

Change your computer power settings:
Make sure power is set to "Normal" or "Better Performance". If set to "Battery Energy Savings" videos can still get a little slow.

My configuration:
1.5Ghz G4, 1GB ram, with Leopard 10.5.8
G4 Optimized Firefox 3.6.3
Flash 10.0.4 (quality medium, enabled hardware acceleration, 10MB storage)
(computer power setting on "normal" when watching videos)

With these settings I can watch any YouTube video or Hulu video with pretty decent frame rate, even in Full Screen!

Hope this helps. I will try to post again once my 2GB ram upgrade comes in.

embenak
Sep 18, 2010, 07:47 PM
Thanks ArtM16! Your post was most useful for debugging the video problem on my wife's G4. I am still stunned that the power settings actually made a difference.

raysfan81
Sep 19, 2010, 07:54 PM
I am still stunned that the power settings actually made a difference.

The reason the power settings make a difference is because flash is almost completely processor based and to save power, the the processor and other system hardware speed are slowed down. :)

MacHamster68
Sep 19, 2010, 10:20 PM
so to make things more clear
i did geekbench results on the different energy safer settings on my

iMac G5 1.8ghz , 1gb ram ,GeForce FX 5200 64mb vram

highest setting geekbench result : 1131
(perfectly watchable video @ 480p no noticeable frame drops )
processor fan goes to ~3700rpm processor temp to 72 degree celsius max



reduced setting geekbench result : 535
video gets choppy @480p , but videos watchable @360p with rarely noticable frame drops
processor fan goes to ~2100rpm processor temp to 66 degree celsius max

now it gets really interesting

automatic setting geekbench result : 1126
watchable video @480 no noticable frame drops
processor fan goes up to 4000rpm and the processor temp to 74 degree celsius !!!


and to make it a fair thing i always did shut down the computer and let it cool down for half an hour before i did each test


not even ripping a dvd brings these peaks in fan speeds and processor temp at highest and automatic setting

for most daily tasks reduced setting is sufficient as then the fan only idles around between 1500 and 1600 and only youtube brings it up to 2100rpm
and i dont need 480p as i cant really see the difference at youtube videos anyway

mikeypizano
Sep 27, 2010, 02:32 PM
I tried what is posted in the first post on my Power Mac G4 (933mhz) and it is still choppy. :(

MarkSliced
Sep 27, 2010, 04:34 PM
I tried what is posted in the first post on my Power Mac G4 (933mhz) and it is still choppy. :(

That's a bummer - I just tried with an old 1.33GHz PowerBook G4 12" in my office and there's a very noticeable improvement.

mikeypizano
Sep 27, 2010, 06:17 PM
That's a bummer - I just tried with an old 1.33GHz PowerBook G4 12" in my office and there's a very noticeable improvement.

Maybe I don't see any improvement is because my CPU is too slow?

raysfan81
Sep 27, 2010, 07:02 PM
I tried what is posted in the first post on my Power Mac G4 (933mhz) and it is still choppy. :(

Use flash 9. I can play youtube (360p) on my sawtooth and its slower than yours is.

bradmorris64
Nov 30, 2010, 04:30 AM
I find it interesting that my "old processor" (1 GHZ G4) can still play full screen DVD's flawlessly. Oh, and that it can play extremely large streaming wmv files (via the flip 4 Mac plugin), but it chokes on 360 YouTube videos. Blaming an old processor for this is BS. This is just Apple forcing the G4 into obsolescence through lack of support and has nothing to do with real technological advancement. It's simply a matter of them not wanting youtube videos to play on the G4 platforms.

iThinkergoiMac
Nov 30, 2010, 06:25 AM
Blaming an old processor for this is BS. This is just Apple forcing the G4 into obsolescence through lack of support and has nothing to do with real technological advancement. It's simply a matter of them not wanting youtube videos to play on the G4 platforms.

Oh wow. Are you aware of how much Apple hates Flash and how they don't even include it in the latest MBA?

Apple has nothing to do with how poorly PowerPC processors process Flash. It has everything to do with how Flash is optimized both for Intel processors and Windows. If what you were saying was true, Apple would be committing some pretty serious license agreements that Adobe would sue for in a heartbeat by modifying Flash to not work on older computers.

That being said, Flash never ran well on PowerPC processors, so you are in a way correct by saying that blaming older processors is BS. My Windows laptop of the same age as my PowerBook G4 plays SD Flash content fine. But the age of the processor does play a role as well.

Also, the G4 is obsolete. The last one was introduced more than 5 years ago (and it's support status is still listed as "Supported"). What more could you expect?

Hrududu
Nov 30, 2010, 10:40 AM
I find it interesting that my "old processor" (1 GHZ G4) can still play full screen DVD's flawlessly. Oh, and that it can play extremely large streaming wmv files (via the flip 4 Mac plugin), but it chokes on 360 YouTube videos. Blaming an old processor for this is BS. This is just Apple forcing the G4 into obsolescence through lack of support and has nothing to do with real technological advancement. It's simply a matter of them not wanting youtube videos to play on the G4 platforms.
Its called piss-poor coding. There is no reason a decent G4 should have more trouble with flash than a Pentium 4. The P4 was trash and it manages flash just fine, but struggles with processes the G4 has no trouble with. Blame Adobe, not PPC or RISC architecture. Apple really doesn't have much to do with it.

Imixmuan
Dec 18, 2010, 09:24 PM
So I have struggled mightly with flash on my g4 ibook, 10.1 was an improvement but not a cure. I tried a firefox plugin called flash videoreplacer which replaces flash with quicktime in youtube and vimeo. It was a vast improvement, particularly with vimeo, but it's a linux app and buggy, after awhile I gave up on it. I then was turned onto youview, a standalone app that plays uses ffmpeg instead of flash to play youtube and its mindblowing, 480p plays without a hiccup, my ibook stays cool to the touch. Its a paid app and I want to make it clear I have no relation to product, and is pretty much fully functional without paying up for it, just can't download and save videos. Developer says he's working on a system wide replacement for flash, in which case I will jump for joy.

VoidSlaad
Dec 18, 2010, 09:38 PM
Hello...this may seem a bit absurd but I was wondering, would some of the tricks here be usable on an old G3 iMac (700MHz)?

cocacolakid
Dec 19, 2010, 12:49 AM
I then was turned onto youview, a standalone app that plays uses ffmpeg instead of flash to play youtube and its mindblowing, 480p plays without a hiccup, my ibook stays cool to the touch.

Mactubes works better than Youview and it's 100% free.

cocacolakid
Dec 19, 2010, 01:23 AM
Hello...this may seem a bit absurd but I was wondering, would some of the tricks here be usable on an old G3 iMac (700MHz)?

You can download a G3 optimized build of Firefox at furbism here (http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/) (plus G4 G5, Intel, and Intel 64 builds), it is definitely way faster than normal Firefox.

I think Mactubes will run on a G3, you must be on 10.4.2 or newer. Mactubes page (http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28608/mactubes).

MacHamster68
Dec 19, 2010, 01:41 AM
if you are running tiger then there is another alternative which made it even possible on my iMac g3 to watch youtube videos without the chops and lags up to 240p so loads bettter then safari or even camino (ok not fullscreen but hey who wants to watch youtube videos on fullscreen anyway:confused: )

tenfourfox is the answer http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

danny0085
Apr 15, 2011, 04:33 AM
I use this flash player for linux (http://tips-linux.net/en/linux-ubuntu/linux-windows-software/flash-player-for-linux) . It worked for me. It has advanced features such as full screen mode and playlists

Jiten
Apr 15, 2011, 06:59 PM
I find it interesting that my "old processor" (1 GHZ G4) can still play full screen DVD's flawlessly. Oh, and that it can play extremely large streaming wmv files (via the flip 4 Mac plugin), but it chokes on 360 YouTube videos. Blaming an old processor for this is BS. This is just Apple forcing the G4 into obsolescence through lack of support and has nothing to do with real technological advancement. It's simply a matter of them not wanting youtube videos to play on the G4 platforms.

I think it is more of an Adobe issue then a Apple problem as Apple have been pushing Adobe to improve Flash performance on Macs for quite a while now.

R20B05
Dec 8, 2011, 05:16 PM
Hi,

I just tried what some of you guys have suggested and right clicked a youtube video while its playing, then chose Settings, but strangely i didn't find any option called "use hardware acceleration" or the "local storage" tab!! and so apparently i couldn't fix the problem with the low video quality:( anyone knows why it didn't display these options?

Specs:

PowerBook G4 15" 1.67 GHz
Memory: 1 GB
Version: 1.0

Imixmuan
Dec 8, 2011, 08:19 PM
...for this "problem". To summarize: the absolute best thing is to avoid flash if you can, performance is terrible on PPC macs, terrible on macs in general. The simplest fix is to use mactubes, with that you can browse and play youtube videos outside of the browser in 480p. Just set your player to quicktime and enjoy. There is also Youview, does the same thing but is a paid for application.

There are also several fixes one can employ with tenfourfox, they involve extensions and a little copying and pasting, but they also work well. Search for quicktime enabler, downloadhelper and flashvideoreplacer. You will find lots of previous posts.

If you have 20 bucks burning a hole in your pocket you can pay for Coreplayer and that will enable you to stream HD video on your Powerbook G4.

Frankyxo
Dec 16, 2011, 04:45 PM
I have the same computer and by mistake uninstall the flash and cant intall it again..can you help me..??



Hello World,

I found this forum through a google search, and wanted to put the word out. It seems choppy, laggy or otherwise unplayable youtube videos and other streams using Adobe Flash 9 or 10 on OS X 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5 is a very common headache with no clear resolution other than, 'Your CPU is too slow".

It seems I may have found a suitable fix to allow flash videos (as poorly as adobe flash is coded for Linux and OS X platforms) to finally play on my old, but very much alive 12" PowerBook G4. I'm not talking HD videos in DVD glass pond-like quality, but I'm talking 1fps to an estimated 10-15fps with mp3 quality audio that doesn't stutter.

My specs as tested and functioning:

System: 1Ghz PowerPC G4 12" aluminum
Version: OS X 10.5.8 (originally came with 10.3.9)
Video: GeForce FX Go5200 32MB
Memory: 768MB DDR (upgraded from stock)
HDD: 160GB Western Digital (upgraded from stock)

ALL I had to do (not perfect, but very very noticeable improvement!) was right-click the video while it was playing, and choose the 'settings' menu for Adobe Flash player. From there, I simply unchecked the "Use Hardware Acceleration" on the Display tab, and bump the "Local Storage" tab slider bar up to 10MB.

If anyone else is or was experiencing this problem, please try this quick and easy work-around out and share your experiences. If we can get a few to confirm, I'd be happy to seed it on the google interwebs so others can find the information easily.

Best Regards,

Christopher-John :apple:

ThunderSnake
Dec 16, 2011, 07:01 PM
I have the same computer and by mistake uninstall the flash and cant intall it again..can you help me..??

Adobe doesn't make it easy, but you should be able to find what you need in this: http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp_10.1.102.64_and_9.0.289.0_archive.zip

Or you could try the recently hacked version that tricks websites into thinking that it's a later release than it actually is. This is helpful until newer code & features are actually needed. Hacked version: http://www.steelbin.com/FPforFBPPC.zip

QuarterSwede
Dec 16, 2011, 07:47 PM
There is another option which works on PPC and Intel Macs called YouTube 5 (http://www.verticalforest.com/2010/10/27/youtube5-version-2/). It's an extension for Safari which plays the HTML 5 version of the file. I tested it on my 12" 1.5GHz PowerBook with 1.25GB and it played smoothly in 360p. I use it on my MacBook and love it. It will also support Vimeo and Facebook HTML 5 video.

http://www.verticalforest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Screen-shot-2010-10-28-at-12.18.35-AM.png

http://www.verticalforest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Screen-shot-2010-10-28-at-12.09.48-AM.png

ChelleM630
Dec 27, 2011, 08:54 PM
I understand what the first post is saying, yet my Powerbook G4 won't allow me to download the latest version of Flashplayer - it says that it's "not supported by this architecture" What do I do to get around that??






Model Name: PowerBook G4 15"
Model Identifier: PowerBook5,8
Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (1.5)
Processor Speed: 1.67 GHz
Number Of CPUs: 1
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.9.6f0

Imixmuan
Dec 29, 2011, 10:54 PM
There is no way to "get around" it, as has been stated many times Adobe stopped releasing flash for macs with 10.1. Newer versions will not work on PPC macs like your Powerbook. There is a hack out there (search for flash for facebook ppc macs),it is a hacked 10.1 flash that "looks" like 11.1. It will prevent facebook and a few other sites balking at your old flash. Its probably not the safest thing ever, but it will work. For now.

Your best bet is to move on and discover ways around the evil that is flash, there are TONS of them. I will list but a few:

In tenfourfox: flashvideoreplacer and downloadhelper extensions, then you can play flv or mp4 files outside a browser in VLC, quicktime etc. There is also Quicktime enabler, numerous greasemonkey scripts....

In safari and omniweb and icab: Install Greasekit (involves installing a SIMBL file as before), then viewtube and other greasemonkey scripts, replaces flash with quicktime, works very well on my ibook

mactubes: Hands down the best method for youtube on older macs.

mintube: Is similar to mactubes, but mac owners have to pay. Linux users do not.

hope that helps

writerdianalee
Dec 31, 2011, 05:29 PM
Hello Mac Gurus - I have a problem. Let me start by saying I love this little iBook I have. It's a Mac OS X 10.4.11 with a 600MHz PowerPC G3 processor with 640 MB of RAM. It was built for me by a former b/f who's a MAC IT guy. We don't talk anymore, hence the problem I have: I don't know the administrator password and I can't seem to figure out how to get around the need to put in a password to CHANGE the password. I've tried everything I can think of ...I Googled the problem and came up with the instructions (below). I need to know if they're right before I do them, as I don't know diddly squat about all this. Of course, the reason I'm doing this is so that I can uninstall Adobe Flash so that I can download the latest supported version so that I can run streaming video from the Internet on this iBook, which I've been able to do in the past, but it was choppy. Now I can't do it at all. I've tried downloading the right version of Adobe Flash - I looked in the Apple troubleshooting tips online, but I can't get the old version deleted because I need a password to change the old password so that I can uninstall software. This is ridiculous. Even so, I love this little iBook so much I'm not willing to give up. Can anyone help me?

Thanks, Diana



Turn on the iBook G4 and hold down “Command” and “S” on the keyboard as the computer starts up. Keep holding them down until you see text on the screen.

2
Type “/sbin/fsck –y/sbin/mount –uw /sh /etc/rc” at the first prompt. Press the “Return” key.

3
Type “passwd [username]” at the next prompt, replacing “Username” with the user name whose password you want to change. Remove the brackets when you type it in. Press “Return.”

4
Enter the new password twice. Hit the “Return” key.

5
Type “Reboot” and press “Return" when you finish entering the new password for your account.

6
Enter the new password at the login screen and you will be able to get onto the iBook Mac computer.



Read more: How to Bypass a Login Password for a Mac iBook G4 | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6758873_bypass-password-mac-ibook-g4.html#ixzz1i9iuFoXx

Imixmuan
Jan 2, 2012, 10:17 PM
well, I've never used those cmd line instructions, but changing the admin password on a mac is trivial, just boot off an install disc, start the install process (you will not be installing, don't worry) when you get to the menu bar choose tools, password, change it, reboot and off you go. However:

Flash is going to be a horrible performer on your ibook with a 600mhz G3. I know, I had exactly the same machine until the dreaded video problem tanked it. Adobe has abandoed support for PPC macs, the last version available is 10.1 .If you decided to install it you still should be able to view 240p files in the browser itself (like safari or omniweb) if you let the video load first.

Other solutions are to use tenfourfox (which has plugins like flash disabled by default due to security) which is the latest version of firefox for PPC macs and flashvideoreplacer/downloadhelper extensions. With those you can select the lower quality 240 flv files and paste the link into quicktime or vlc and it should stream pretty well. You can probably still download (using either above extensions) a higher quality 360p the file and use either vlc or quicktime to play it back once its fully downloaded.

If you can step up to a G4 800mhz ibook or higher you have more options (like the best available option-mactubes) and much. much better playback. G4 ibooks can be had for 100-150 on ebay these days.

writerdianalee
Jan 3, 2012, 12:17 AM
Hello Imixmuan; Thanks for the advice - Last night, I actually attracted on Facebook with a post I put out the attention of a pal who's quite bright about this stuff and he spent several hours with me on the mess - I had managed, somehow, to change the password (don't ask me how - I don't remember!), so all that was needed to was correctly uninstall any Adobe Flash I had and download and reinstall the best version for this iBook. the fun part is I have learned so much! You're right of course, it will never really stream videos properly - and I've a Dell PC that works just fine for that. I just use that Dell to bits and I don't want to burn it out, so am looking to this iBook to do some duty to give the Dell a break. While I'd love to go get myself a high-end product, I'm putting my son through college, and he HAS to have the high-end product, so I make do. :) Anyway, anyway, I haven't looked at Firefox in quite some time so I'll go do that. By the way, as long as we're on the topic, regarding the Dell, how does one remove the keyboard to clean under it? I've heard that's possible. Do you know? (I guess I could google it huh?) :) Thanks... Diana

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Oh and I don't have an install disk.

Imixmuan
Jan 5, 2012, 12:22 AM
you need to go here:

http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

scroll down to the bottom of the page and find the G3 optimized build, it will run best on your ibook. Tenfourfox is a community build of the latest Firefox, which abandoned PowerPC and 10.4 with version 4.0. It is safe, secure and mo-dern.

Omniweb 5 wil also run well on your ibook.

I am glad you got your problem sorted.

writerdianalee
Jan 5, 2012, 07:33 AM
I read it rather quickly, and noted it said if I need to use Flash not to download TenFourFox.

So ... why would I need it if most everything out there these days uses Flash?

That confused me a little.

Thanks for your help.

Diana
you need to go here:

http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

scroll down to the bottom of the page and find the G3 optimized build, it will run best on your ibook. Tenfourfox is a community build of the latest Firefox, which abandoned PowerPC and 10.4 with version 4.0. It is safe, secure and mo-dern.

Omniweb 5 wil also run well on your ibook.

I am glad you got your problem sorted.

GermanyChris
Jan 5, 2012, 09:33 AM
I read it rather quickly, and noted it said if I need to use Flash not to download TenFourFox.

So ... why would I need it if most everything out there these days uses Flash?

That confused me a little.

Thanks for your help.

Diana

you can enable flash on tenfour fox, do a quick search

carldixey
Apr 21, 2012, 06:27 AM
Hi guys, i have had a powerbook g4, 17" 1.5ghz, 1.5 gb ram for a couple of years and have never been able to run flash web videos... until now...

I did a clean install of leopard and installed the normal updates, I stopped installing the java updates when it said i needed version 5, I have found that it basically disables the flash player telling you that you need a new version of the player and all web based flash videos i have tried work perfect, there is generally about 5-10 seconds of stuttering at the start then it plays flawlessly every time as long as you dont try to take it about 360p quality or make it full screen. There is no need to change any of the flash player settings or the power / processor settings of the mac. I have done a clean install once more and follows the same process and got the same result. The only thing I have noticed is the fans kick in quicker than normal.

Trust me guys this works and my powerbook is not going to be replaced until it dies! Let me know how you get on!!