Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) Screenshots?

[MacRumors]

With WWDC just days away, the first Tiger information and screenshots appears to have been leaked. According to sources, Apple will reportedly provide developers with a Mac OS X 10.4 Preview copy at WWDC on Monday. The screenshots provided reportedly come from this upcoming developer preview.

(Of note, the screenshots come from a previously unconfirmed source, and as a result may spark the usual debates of legitimacy -- though on casual inspection, do appear real (Tiger Read Me PDF (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/readme.pdf))

Overall Mac OS X 10.4 is said to not hold any dramatic changes from Mac OS X 10.3.

The preview is labeled "Version 10.4 Pre-release" (About Box (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/about1.gif)) and build number 8A162 (Build (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/about2.gif)).

A new version of Safari (v2.0) is bundled with the release and offers at least two new features. These include support for RSS news feeds as well as a new "Private Browsing" mode. Private Browsing allows users to browse without keeping a history of pages viewed.

System Preferences (Screenshot) (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences.gif) has been tweaked yet again, with the addition of an iTunes-like search function on the top right (Search 1 (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search.gif)) which hilights relevant control panels in real time. As the search gets narrowed (Search 2 (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search2.gif)) so do the control panels that are hilighted.

In addition, Apple has added new security features to their firewall, most significantly a Stealth Mode (Firewall Options (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/firewall.gif)) which should "Ensures that any uninvited traffic receives no response -- not even an acknowledgement that your computer exists."

Perhaps the most dramatic change, however, is the inclusion of a new Expose features called Dashboard (Screenshot (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/dashboard.jpg)). Dashboard appears to be a Gadget/Widget based utility which provides users with a quick access (invoked by user-specified function key) to frequently used tools/applications. The tools available to users in the Tiger build include Address Book, Calculator, Calendar, iTunes, Stickies and World Clock. The tools provided however, are heavily themed with un-Mac OS X-like styles. It's assumed that developers will be able to provide additional "Gadgets".

Confirmation or invalidation of these images should come at WWDC next week.

Thanks to Gary Niger and Ron Delsner of GNAA for providing the information in this article.

[Chaszmyr]

Dashboard kinda looks fake to me... We'll see though

I just can't imagine Apple making such hideous "widgets"

[BWhaler]

I think this is a good start. I hope Apple blows us away on Monday with much, much more.

[arn]

so, yeah.... unconfirmed.. but a whole lot of trouble to fake.. dashboard appears very un-Apple... at least the styles do. The concept seems cool.

arn

[zyuzin4]

interesting. i like the system prefs search box. sometimes i forget where to find certain obscure things

[RandomDeadHead]

Screenshots look "Ghostly". I like it. And private browsing sounds very cool. Not to say that I need to cover my tracks.

[BWhaler]

The dashboard looks very similar to Konfabulator. I hope Apple let's 3rd party developers add more than the basics.

[coolfactor]

I think the fellas over at Konfabulator are gonna be unhappy with this whole Gadget-based Dashboard idea, if it's true. I wasn't totally impressed by the inconsistencies of the Gadgets... too much like play toys.

We'll see come Tuesday's keynote.

P.S. Doesn't Longhorn have a Dashboard? Haha, way to beat them to the punch!

[irmongoose]

Is it just me or does "Dashboard" look a little too familiar? Konfabulator (http://www.konfabulator.com), anyone?

(Beaten to it!)

And searching GNAA on Google yields this (http://www.gnaa.us/) page. Somehow I think this is not the GNAA I was looking for.


irmongoose

[uberman42]

Screenshots look "Ghostly". I like it. And private browsing sounds very cool. Not to say that I need to cover my tracks.

The PDF downloads to whereever you have PDFs go...

[coolfactor]

Okay, at first I was a bit confused why we'd need a Search box on System Preferences. Now, Windows's Control Panel needs that feature! But then taking a closer look, you can search for terms *inside* a Preference Pane, as shown in the second screenshot.. that is cool!

[MacFan26]

wow, Dashboard does look like Konfabulator. Yikes, WWDC starts Monday, I'm getting pretty excited! Anyone know yet if it will be broadcast at either the stores or online?

[Zappa]

And searching GNAA on Google yields this (http://www.gnaa.us/) page. Somehow I'm think this is not the GNAA I was looking for.


Hmm... Information by "Gary Niger" of GNAA. Sounds too stupid to be true. And that dashboard thing? Hogwash me thinks ...

[MacBoy88]

Looks nice. When is the keynote?

BTW did anyone else see that you have to have a DVD Drive to install Tiger?!?!?!

[DMann]

Hmm... Information by "Gary Niger" of GNAA. Sounds too stupid to be true. And that dashboard thing? Hogwash me thinks ...

I can only imagine Tiger making larger leaps into
the refined and 3D realm we know OSX is capable
of. I sure hope the graphics are richer than that...

[cinder]

Those are the fakest fake screenshots I've ever seen.

None of these things make any sense, and they obviously didn't bother to show the 'revised' finder because . . ?

Oh, right, they're fake screenshots.

[jasonpaul75]

I just hope that "we" are given control over all aspects of these widgets.
(Color, font, etc.)
If given control over where information is drawn this could be really useful and powerful stuff. I had also understood that these little widgets would be default always on aspects of the OS.

Interesting... :rolleyes:

[Nermal]

And searching GNAA on Google yields this (http://www.gnaa.us/) page. Somehow I'm think this is not the GNAA I was looking for.

I immediately thought of them when I saw "GNAA". Anyone who reads Slashdot would be familiar with them - they put big spam posts everywhere.

BTW did anyone else see that you have to have a DVD Drive to install Tiger?!?!?!

Yes, and it doesn't surprise me. I don't think the screenshots are real (at least not the Dashboard ones), but I have no trouble believing the PDF.

[dethl]

Stealth mode would kick a$$! It would be very interesting to see if nmap would still be able to scan you. If stealth mode works as promised, script kiddies would be powerless as they couldn't find our machines. If this isn't true, I'll create my own app to do this (free, of course...security for the masses must not be held back by cash).

I really hope there is a quicktime feed, or a feed to the apple stores. I'll be calling my local apple store (Barton Springs, just opened!) and seeing if anything is going on.

[the silver fox]

I really hope that these are fake. They look fake. For a start lets talk about the dashboard. Whilst I think the idea is sound and obviously fits in with Apple's recent patent concept, it looks like it has been drawn by children. what is wrong with Apple's implementation of the dashboard concept in their Motion software http://www.apple.com/motion/workflow.html (click on dashboard and compare them to the shots of the "OS") ? Very elegant looking panels and feel much more a part of the OS. As for the prefs search panel shot? I really can't imagine that is for real. That kind of super-obvious 50 pixel gaussian glow overlaying the relevant pref? Again it looks like some cheap (and very easy) photoshop work. I really hope that Apple's system 'decorators' haven't sunk that low.

But hey, maybe all this nonsensical eye-candy means they have been spending their budget on some stronger underpinnings. Who knows? Sorry If I sound a little dissappointed.

[Alexander]

Fake or no, is it 64-bit? :)

[broken_keyboard]

I hope that's not it, 10.4 better have more than that.

If you need a search on your settings panel then you have too many settings. Just make it less configurable.

One of the best things about Apple is it's "clean" design. The dashboard will ruin that by putting useless crap everywhere.

[yoavcs]

These are fake unless Apple has finally let go of all quality control.
Look at the list of items in the System Preferences screenshots.

1. Some are All Capitalized, others not - very un-Apple like

2. They actually have a typing mistake in the "desktop item" (Rebuild Classic Dekstop (sic))


This really can't be Apple...

[the silver fox]

Fake or no, is it 64-bit? :)

Dude, we can but hope that they at least release a 64-bit version for the G5, particularly since they have said that wont be releasing a new OS every year now (so probably 18 months). It would suck to be stuck with a 64bit machine with a 32bit operating space.

[MacsRgr8]

BTW did anyone else see that you have to have a DVD Drive to install Tiger?!?!?!

Yeah.... but I'm sure there will be CD versions of it.
Imagine an iMac FlatPanel 700 MHz (CD-RW) not being supported....

But it would be nice if there were to be a DVD verision of Tiger.
We were hoping the same thing with Panther.

BTW, Dashboard must mean Konfabulator bought by Apple.
Konfabulator 1.7 is also just released.... :rolleyes:

[the silver fox]

2. They actually have a typing mistake their in the "desktop item" (Rebuild Classic Dekstop (sic))


This really can't be Apple...

Just more proof my friend. Apple are not that slack. This is just two guys with mediocre photoshop talent trying to get some press space.

Boooooriiinngggg

[crap freakboy]

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/ass.gif

What a funny name :D

made me smile.

Fake....least I bloody hope so.

[broken_keyboard]

Dude, we can but hope that they at least release a 64-bit version for the G5, particularly since they have said that wont be releasing a new OS every year now (so probably 18 months). It would suck to be stuck with a 64bit machine with a 32bit operating space.

I agree. I want to hear at WWDC is about all the parts of the OS that are now G5 optimized. They don't need to have two versions of the whole OS, just have two versions of key libraries, and the OS loads the best one for the CPU in use.

[arn]

So, Fake or no.... not sure. The association with a prankster organization certainly doesn't help... and if they're fake... then ha ha, they got me.

But that issue aside... I think the concept of the "Dashboard" is a good one... these are apps that you do need quick access to from any app. I frequently pull up Calculator and Stickies.

arn

[Chaszmyr]

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/ass.gif

What a funny name :D

that pic wasnt linked in this article.. weird...

[Trowaman]

well, I'm up at 4 am for no good reason and I'm going with:

FAKE!!!!!

I'm not buying the dashboard graphics. Seems so, '97/98. Not up to Apple's current feel pushing the trends.

[Chaszmyr]

Not to mention, that PDF file uses Panther graphics. I simply cant believe that this stuff could be real

[Ja Di ksw]

why isn't pipeline mentioned?

[MacsRgr8]

well, I'm up at 4 am for no good reason and I'm going with...

I just woke up to it! :D

Exciting way to wake up on a Saturday morning: Tiger screnshots!
But must say: I vote for Fake.

BTW, why is "ass.gif" been deleted....??? ;)

[Chaszmyr]

BTW, why is "ass.gif" been deleted....??? ;)

It was just renamed to Pipeline

[SiliconAddict]

Overall Mac OS X 10.4 is said to not hold any dramatic changes from Mac OS X 10.3.[/i]

Why do I get the impression from this comment, maybe an incorrect one, that this is going to be a simple "filler" to keep the yearly OS X profits rolling in while they work on the real "next big thing"

So far this isn't looking all that impressive over Panther....so far. :confused:
I too am hoping this is fake. I want Tiger to be a major jump from Panther enough that it makes Longhorn seem obsolete right now.

[Jack White]

dashboard looks like a good idea, but the apps look nasty! an orange caculator? and what the hell happen to iTunes?
if this was the real thing surely there would be more information about other features?

[the silver fox]

So, Fake or no.... not sure. The association with a prankster organization certainly doesn't help... and if they're fake... then ha ha, they got me.

But that issue aside... I think the concept of the "Dashboard" is a good one... these are apps that you do need quick access to from any app. I frequently pull up Calculator and Stickies.

arn

Hey Arn,

The dashboard concept will definitely be in this release (there is no doubt about that, since it is being released with motion, and I'm sure updates to FCP and DVDSP will carry the same system). My point (and several other peoples), is that they just dont look right. Compare the subtle way the dash appears in Motion (and the styling) and compare it to the clunky feel of these shots.

I really, really don't buy it.

I'm also not convinced by the lack of things mentioning the spoken interface in the system prefs. We all know that Apple is including incredible new accessibility features in this release as they have made announcements about it. I think they would have updated the pref pane to reflect that a little more.

Any thoughts? Instead of discussing these fake shots, why dont we add a little speculation (hopes) as to what they have included. Who would like to start?

[arn]

update on the pipeline.gif... (previously named ass.gif by me since I thought it was realted to Apple Script Studio).

Reportedly an app that lets users create their own applescript apps... but apparently seperate from AppleScriptStudio (hence the rename)

arn

[MacsRgr8]

It was just renamed to Pipeline

So, no more porn on Arn's site.... :(

;) :p :D

[arn]

Hey Arn,

The dashboard concept will definitely be in this release (there is no doubt about that, since it is being released with motion, and I'm sure updates to FCP and DVDSP will carry the same system). My point (and several other peoples), is that they just dont look right. Compare the subtle way the dash appears in Motion (and the styling) and compare it to the clunky feel of these shots.

I'm not sure why you are confident the dashboard concept will definitely be in this release. Explain?

arn

[Chaszmyr]

I'm not sure why you are confident the dashboard concept will definitely be in this release. Explain?

arn

I think he's assuming that since Motion has it that it has to be integrated into the rest of the OS too. This could very well be true, but I wouldn't call it "definite", it could easily be confined to just Motion.

[Jalexster]

The last screenshot, with the dashboard, semms a little suspicious to me. For one thing, I didn't notice on the other screenshots, but the background colours on the dashboard shot show that it has been taken in 256-colours.
Now, you could argue that it is a gif, but it's a JPG, so if this is going to be in JPG format, why are the colours wrong. Unless it has been converted to JPG from GIF, when it was posted on MacRumors.

[chowells]

Stealth mode would kick a$$! It would be very interesting to see if nmap would still be able to scan you. If stealth mode works as promised, script kiddies would be powerless as they couldn't find our machines.

Erm. It simply means that if someone tries to send a data to a specific TCP port nothing will be sent back, rather than a TCP RST as usual.


If this isn't true, I'll create my own app to do this (free, of course...security for the masses must not be held back by cash).


Nonsense. Anyone that wants to DDOS you can do so perfectly well, all they need to know is your IP address to saturate your inbound traffic, whether you're sending TCP RSTs back to them or not is irrelevant.

[the silver fox]

I'm not sure why you are confident the dashboard concept will definitely be in this release. Explain?

arn

Trust me.

[the silver fox]

I agree. I want to hear at WWDC is about all the parts of the OS that are now G5 optimized. They don't need to have two versions of the whole OS, just have two versions of key libraries, and the OS loads the best one for the CPU in use.

Exactly! A release on a DVD with the usual system specific installations. Apple has become very good at supporting emulation (classic etc) so it would be very easy for them to run a 32bit emulation space within the 64 code to make sure that all the current apps still have support.

[dstorey]

Hey Arn,

I'm also not convinced by the lack of things mentioning the spoken interface in the system prefs. We all know that Apple is including incredible new accessibility features in this release as they have made announcements about it. I think they would have updated the pref pane to reflect that a little more.



I have the public beta... The spoken interface is in the universal access panel, under the seeing tab, with its own like options dialog.

[arn]

The last screenshot, with the dashboard, semms a little suspicious to me. For one thing, I didn't notice on the other screenshots, but the background colours on the dashboard shot show that it has been taken in 256-colours.
Now, you could argue that it is a gif, but it's a JPG, so if this is going to be in JPG format, why are the colours wrong. Unless it has been converted to JPG from GIF, when it was posted on MacRumors.

all images were originally in PDF format, which were converted to their various formats by myself.

arn

[arn]

Trust me.

then this would confirm the screenshots - eh?

arn

[grabberslasher]

I was excited when I woke up and found this, although now I think that it is probably fake.

Inconsistencies in the user interface and bad spelling (I've never seen something spelt wrong in an Apple release) are a clue, but if it is true it's rather disappointing.

Looks like there's nothing different in this release apart from searching control panels and enabling "stealth mode" like Lindows (Linspire?).

Dashboard feature seems unwieldy but the "gadgets" do have a professional quality to them. I doubt they were cooked up in Photoshop.

Only time will tell.

[Chaszmyr]

Another comment about weird un-Apple-like typographical errors

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/firewall.gif

The first and third options have periods at the end of the sentence, the second one does not.

[the silver fox]

I have the public beta... The spoken interface is in the universal access panel, under the seeing tab, with its own like options dialog.

Sorry, what i mean is in the search field under 'd' not only are the entries alphabetical, there is no reference there to disabled or disability (yes, I see that it is a scrollable field). I find it difficult to believe that there would be no entries under there whatsoever.

[the silver fox]

then this would confirm the screenshots - eh?

arn

Not when they have been posted by those two guys; and not when they look like that.

Arn, you are very good at stirring the masses ;)

[Chaszmyr]

Not when they have been posted by those two guys; and not when they look like that.

you have no idea how glad I am you didn't say "yes"

[Abstract]

Colour and fun in Mac OSX? NEVER!! That colourful dashboard would never fly with the Mac crowd, and Apple knows that. If we wanted to use WinXP, we wouldn't have bought a Mac. ;)

And that spelling mistake makes all of this look suspicious.

The one thing I like is the dashboard idea, where they'll hopefully include something that allows me to see the temperature outside in my city, and a World Clock. The World Clock is something I need. I don't like to go to my old Handspring visor just to get times in different cities. I also don't like doing the math in my head every time I'm trying to figure out the time in Toronto when it's 10:39am in/near Sydney.
The calender is another thing. A calender should actually appear every time you click on the Date feature on the bar at the top of the screen.

[the silver fox]

you have no idea how glad I am you didn't say "yes"

Seriously guys, I could have done a better fake myself in 20 mins with illustrator. They are faketabulous. Do I really have to demonstrate?

[arn]

Not when they have been posted by those two guys; and not when they look like that.

Arn, you are very good at stirring the masses ;)

So, you're saying that while the screenshots are fake, the dashboard concept is legit. Then you are invoking a scenario that these people had this (legit) info and then went to the trouble of making a fake surrounding it.

I'm not here to stir the masses ;) ... I admit there are serious questions raised about validity... but in the end, I felt they had a reasonable chance (but not 100% chance) of being real, so they are up.

arn

[BWhaler]

So, you're saying that while the screenshots are fake, the dashboard concept is legit. Then you are invoking a scenario that these people had this (legit) info and then went to the trouble of making a fake surrounding it.

I'm not here to stir the masses ;) ... I admit there are serious questions raised about validity... but in the end, I felt they had a reasonable chance (but not 100% chance) of being real, so they are up.

arn

Then I suggest you--at a minimum--move this to page 2 if the origin is so dubious.

And I must admit, the source with the N word takes away a lot from this site. Not being prudish, but this is a little distasteful.

[tjwett]

Fakeypoo.

We've got:
sketchy looking graphics, a spelling error, a bunch of Konfabulator widgets, and a guy with a name and company linked to a group dedicated to hoaxes. lets not give them the satisfaction of paying any attention to this one. anyone with a spare hour in their day could've pulled this one off.

[SiliconAddict]

Who would like to start?

I'm looking for a more 3D experience. But I don't want 3D for the sake of having eye candy. (Example I couldn't care less about having moving video in the dock. It’s a cute feature but if that is going to eat into the development of say the finder or tweaking the speed of the dock or something screw that.) If Apple is going to do 3D use it in a way that makes it useful, functional, aids in productivity, is a radical new approach, and is eye candy-ish after the fact.

Beyond that I would like to see more compatibility with some of the pseudo industry standards such as Word, Excel, WordPerfect, Lotus 123, PowerPoint, Keynote, Visio, etc. Apple doesn't have to go as far as allowing people to edit the docs but allow people to view and print them. Wrap it into the OS so when someone mails you a document you don't have to have the full blown app installed. Make OS X the universal communicator of file types. Would such a thing take some work on Apple's part? Sure. A lot of work. Something on the scale of getting the RIAA to budge on music distribution. But if Apple could do such a thing it would be a major score for them.

On top of that I would like to see major revamps of its minor iApps. From what I've read there is some major retooling that should be done to iCal, and there mail app. I've played around with them enough in the Apple store and have read people's comments enough that I'm seeing some neglect in the software. There needs to be a performance boost and some much needed features. (The specifics of which escape me at the moment since its 4AM.)

A revamp of finder. Start from scratch and do it right. I just don’t like it. Its prob just me but navigating around the OS seems slow through finder. If this is because of the system, how finder was designed or simply getting use to how finder browses for files I don’t know. I do know that I’ve read enough comments that speak ill of finder to the point that I think most think there is still some drastic work to be done on that OS component.

Finally themeing. Jobs needs to stuff his ego in a box and stow it somewhere where the sun don't shine. Apple as a company needs to get it through their thick thick head that Aqua isn't to everyone's tastes. Neither is metal. Neither is wood in garage band. They need to allow themeing. Period. End of discussion. For those who aren't comfortable with dinking with OS X they will leave it at aqua. For those who want a taste of something different the should be able to load a theme or skin. Longhorn is going to blow away anything Apple has when it comes to customizing your system. XP already does this with the help of some basic 3rd party apps that integrate into XP's themeing engine. Heck Windows 95 allows more customizing of how the GUI looks then OS X in some ways. Everyone appreciates the work that Apple and their GUI team does to OS X but for god sake let others think different for once. Let’s take the GUI to places where it’s never been to before. *grabs jobs head and shakes it* For god sake man let some one else play god to OS X for once!! K?'

Now you will excuse me. I'm going to pass out in bed. Nothing like watching Anime all night long to wear you out. :)

[tjwett]

it says right in the "News" section of the GNAA website "GNAA leaks info about Apple's new OS". does it get anymore obvious than this?

[yoavcs]

http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-tiger

they pretty much say they've made fun of MacRumors
:)


Yes, this is a fake, and a bad one.
The whole thing that tipped me off is the comment that 10.4 isn't much different from 10.3

All the info i've got, including Apple calling Tiger "HIGHLY evolved" (my caps) points to 10.4 being a major upgrade.

I'm thinking new filesystem (meta-data search?), new Finder, and my own favourite - Cocoa for Win32.

This is just a guess but if I'm right... Think about it - Cocoa for Win32 (was available in the goold ole OpenStep days) together with free Xcode to:

1. get Windows developers programming in Cocoa
2. Once the app is in Cocoa - voila! instant Mac port
3. once they get used to Xcode and the whole quasi-Mac on Win feel, they'll be more likely to walk out of an Apple Store with more than just an iPod.


What'dya think?

[broken_keyboard]

A revamp of finder. Start from scratch and do it right. I just don’t like it. Its prob just me but navigating around the OS seems slow through finder.


This is a very perceptive comment imho. Using the Finder just seems slow and clumsy. Not slow in terms of run speed, but in terms of getting done what you want to get done.

If they want the calendar and clock and email etc to be easily accesible, don't make a dashboard, just make them one app. I like the way Entourage has all those things integrated.

[arn]

http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-tiger

they pretty much say they've made fun of MacRumors
:)


Perhaps.... they were pretty open about who they were... so it's not like it's a big secret who provided the info.

Guess we'll see... (though it is on Page 2 now)... but if you assume the_silver_fox is correct in that Dashboard is real... then you still have to credit these people with _real_ info.

arn

[Localcelebrity]

While some of the concepts are interesting and well done i think someone went a long way for a fake out.. the FAQ included.

Installing the latest version of the Startup Disk control panel To switch from Mac OS 9 back to Mac OS X, be sure to use Startup Disk control panel version 9.2.1 or later. A recent version of the Startup Disk control panel is available at this location: • docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120024

Why would apple be updating startup disk when not supporting 9 anymore..

it just doesn't fit.

All the images are Panther stuff, apple's changed the X logo every time since jaguar i don't think they are going to stop that now.

The requirement of a DVD drive doesn't fit either.. my friend has an 800 mhrtz emac without one from less than two years ago.. i don't think they are going to abandon him now

The system prefs thing looks really fake and the scrollbar in the dropdown and the notable missing little arrow next to the magnifying glass tips me off if not for the sheer ugliness of the rest of it. It also doesn't make sense from a usability standpoint.. possibly covering the preferences under it. Not like them at all.

Dashboard sounds really cool and i'll even say i kinda almost like the look but it doesn't fit anything they've done or are doing. Anyone else notice though that the calender thing is called "calender" not ical? that alone tips me off it's fake, why would apple make two apps to do the same thing?

The "new" itunes GUI is too big and confusing.. not their style.

I'll also say i don't buy the safari things either Dave Hyatt once talked about RSS readers in his blog and came to the conclusion that RSS readers and Browsers should remain seperate... and while i know he's the rendering engine programmer not the app designer, and it was a while ago i think he has significant influence and the reaction was bad too.

Also i'd expect safari 2.0 to offer much more than 2 new features... if anything it would be safari 1.5 apple doesn 't jump numbers like that without a major overhaul (we're still at mail 1.3.8!)

Combine all this with the blatent typographic errors, un-apple like wording on things like "stealth mode" i just done buy it.

Apple is about wowing people with features not leaving them dissapointed.

[Zaty]

[url]Yes, this is a fake, and a bad one.
The whole thing that tipped me off is the comment that 10.4 isn't much different from 10.3

All the info i've got, including Apple calling Tiger "HIGHLY evolved" (my caps) points to 10.4 being a major upgrade.

That's what made me a bit skeptical, too. But I'd like to see the "dashboard" feature.

[the silver fox]

Perhaps.... they were pretty open about who they were... so it's not like it's a big secret who provided the info.

Guess we'll see... (though it is on Page 2 now)... but if you assume the_silver_fox is correct in that Dashboard is real... then you still have to credit these people with _real_ info.

arn

Or just a guess based on postings/patents over the last couple of months ;)

[Localcelebrity]

i'm sorry but the above post is sheer genius, i just had to point that out

[Random Avenger]

Where can I get a copy of that app?

[the silver fox]

i'm sorry but the above post is sheer genius, i just had to point that out

Thanks Man :) . It was really just to point out how anyone who can use Photoshop or Illustrator, who has a spare 20 mins can knock stuff like this out and call it genuine.

[aldo]

I can confirm these screenshots are genuine.

[the silver fox]

I can confirm these screenshots are genuine.

I can confirm that the ABOVE screenshot is genuine ;)

[mj_1903]

The GNAA definitely strikes again. :)

I have to hand it to those guys though, they know how to be inventive.

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

Didnt anyone notice the Brushed Metal menubar in the gadget screenshot? Thats a major change... Maybe we can get inconsistense all over the Finder now? That would be nice.. As it is now, its major p00...

I say that they are all fake.

[mj_1903]

Didnt anyone notice the Brushed Metal menubar in the gadget screenshot? Thats a major change... Maybe we can get inconsistense all over the Finder now? That would be nice.. As it is now, its major p00...

I say that they are all fake.

It's not brushed metal, its just the semi-transparent window that expose uses when you minimise the windows. Coupled with the heavy losses caused by the jpeg compression and yes it does look semi-metal.

[broken_keyboard]

I can confirm these screenshots are genuine.

Are you sure? The gadgets look pretty amateurish. I would be ashamed to demo that...

[the silver fox]

Are you sure? The gadgets look pretty amateurish. I would be ashamed to demo that...

Ok Aldo... Please explain how a 16 year old has access to information that few others do? Seriously man, these are as fake as it gets!

However, the name behind the dashboard is genuine, although I believe that its use (as shown here) is erroneous. Think of the dashboard as more of an extension to the concept of 'contextual' menus.

Tiger is going to have alot more eye-candy (think along the lines of you aint seen nothing yet), but it will be tied into your workflow a lot more. Also expect the welcome return of desktop organisation tools (remember the "piles" concept anyone) and a whole host of rewritten code for us lucky G5 owners.

Moreover, I would like to point out that no matter how good the OS release is, it isn't going to make up for that goal being diss-allowed against Portugal on Thursday;).

[Stella]

If these are real.. then I'm disappointed.. I hate brushed metal and its still there.

Dashboard looks extremely fake.

Whats the point of a search box in preferences? There aren't enough options to warrant a search box.

[broken_keyboard]

I hate when you get a lot of little apps and some bright spark says "hey lets make a manager app!" and everyone goes "wow, great idea!" and these dashboards etc appear.

I don't know how many times I've encountered this as a developer and it's because of the rationalistic thought processes of most software developers. In this case instead of the dashboard, they need the .Mac app. Along the same lines of the MS Office and iLife integrations, it would integrate calendar, contacts, world clock etc all in to one app. Bingo, no need for ghey dashboard.

"But then I don't get to design a framework!" the tedious rationalist says...

[the silver fox]

I hate when you get a lot of little apps and some bright spark says "hey lets make a manager app!" and everyone goes "wow, great idea!" and these dashboards etc appear.

I don't know how many times I've encountered this as a developer and it's because of the rationalistic thought processes of most software developers. In this case instead of the dashboard, they need the .Mac app. Along the same lines of the MS Office and iLife integrations, it would integrate calendar, contacts, world clock etc all in to one app. Bingo, no need for ghey dashboard.

"But then I don't get to design a framework!" the tedious rationalist says...

I don't think we will see the dashboard used in this fashion. In fact I'm reasonably certain. As I have stated above, I think it will be contextual, more like pop up panels. It is a ridiculous concept to have the dashboard as an app management tool. One that certainly wouldn't be neccesary if the dock had better management tools. On a side note, I rarely use the Dock for anything anymore. I use Quicksilver for launching apps/document/clipboard management and expose to jump between apps to the right window. I really hope that Apple have done some work in that particular area.

[BakedBeans]

that is a very funny mock up there silverfox.... just what i needed "ta very much like"

and whats quicksilver???

[the silver fox]

and whats quicksilver???

Quicksilver is the best application launcher/helper ever made. Very few people seem to know about it, but I can't get by without it. It has currently been withdrawn to alpha testing for the latest version, but betas of the version i use are posted here. http://blacktree.com/apps/quicksilver/

So simple. So powerful.

More stuff like that please Apple :)

[curmi]

Oh my god!

The dashboard! Apple's UI people are asleep at the wheel. The mistakes made in Panther were just the beginning!

Check out the "Done" button. It isn't a button at all. It's hanging from the transparent window. Looks more like a Tab.

There is another trash can. Now there is one in a window, another in the dock.

Each of the dashboard apps are different colours and different styles. The consistency has completely gone, and there appears to be no UI guidelines adhered to on the apps.

The dashboard window has a big cross in it - like windows XP, and nothing like the close button on a normal Aqua window.

I hope it is a fake, but something tells me this isn't. Please let it be an early prototype, and Apple has done something better than this mess.

Oh my god!

[the silver fox]

I hope it is a fake, but something tells me this isn't. Please let it be an early prototype, and Apple has done something better than this mess.

Oh my god!

Hi Curmi

Have you read any of the previous posts?

[arn]

A very detailed fake?

Note the "PDF Producer" - this is for the screenshots

[the silver fox]

A very detailed fake?

Note the "PDF Producer" - this is for the screenshots

This is a new shot Arn? Again, the detail is good, but anyone could produce this couldn't they?

[curmi]

Hi Curmi

Have you read any of the previous posts?

Sorry. When I began typing, not many people had said that much. And it was on the front page not page 2 I think? Certainly glad this appears to all be a hoax then.

[broken_keyboard]

A very detailed fake?

Note the "PDF Producer" - this is for the screenshots

I thought the way the Mac OS X gui worked was each frame is a PDF. So in that case this might be suggestive of a genuine screen grab - somehow they have grabbed the raw output of Quartz.

[Finiksa]

The dashboard window has a big cross in it - like windows XP, and nothing like the close button on a normal Aqua window.

Safari tab "close button" uses a cross, not that inconsistent.

Agreed about the trash icon though, if Apple didn't include one in the Finder sidebar I don't see why they would for the Dashboard.

I like the whole Dashboard concept, though I'm leaning towards fake for this leak.

[the silver fox]

I thought the way the Mac OS X gui worked was each frame is a PDF. So in that case this might be suggestive of a genuine screen grab - somehow they have grabbed the raw output of Quartz.

Not only could you replicate that with Adobe products, but you could knock it out using Dev tools to make a mock-up of any OSx-like interface elements. If I am proved wrong on this I will eat my hat. Sadly, I don't own a hat. Maybe that is Destiny having a laugh? :rolleyes:

[curmi]

Safari tab "close button" uses a cross, not that inconsistent.

A cross within a circle though - so it looks like a button at least.

Though Apple have started to go the Windows way with buttons that don't look like buttons (the lock icon in the system preferences for example). I am hopeful they haven't continued that trend with Tiger...

[mj_1903]

A very detailed fake?

Note the "PDF Producer" - this is for the screenshots

Does the PDF producer for a 10.3 document show up as 10.3?

If that document was made at Apple, which it definitely does look like it has been, then it could very well have leaked. Did they get theirs hands on it and then decide to do a fake?

At the same time, I have not seen this document previously and I cannot see what the use would be. The information is generally posted as HTML on the Apple developer website for seeds, but seeds have not started yet...

[broken_keyboard]

Not only could you replicate that with Adobe products, but you could knock it out using Dev tools to make a mock-up of any OSx-like interface elements. If I am proved wrong on this I will eat my hat. Sadly, I don't own a hat. Maybe that is Destiny having a laugh? :rolleyes:

You're right that it is possible to make convincing but fake GUI screenshots and, as your example demonstrates, in no time at all. But that mere possibility doesn't tell us anything about whether any particular instance is a fake or not.

I think Arn is right to check the metadata fields in the file, and then there is the supposed reputation of the source (though I have never heard of them until today, sound like a bunch of unpleasant racists). And whether the style matches Apple etc...

I actually believe they are real mainly because the firewall screenshot looks so Apple-like. But I am hoping if the dashboard is real they will put a little more work in before releasing it, because it looks amatuerish. Actually, on second thoughts I don't care, because I am just going to turn it off anyway.

[sandsl]

I think we have to look at these objectively - apple has a habit of surprising us, so theses may well be real. Maybe, maybe not - we'll see on Monday.

In the meantime, fake or otherwise, some comments:
1) New quicktime logo in System Preferences
2) The title bar of the system preferences now includes the toolbar buttons/search?
3) Typographical errors are common in betas - all the previous developer previews of OSX have had spelling mistakes.
4) Maybe theres a distinction between apps and gadgets - eg. a graphically intensive calculator gadget, and normal osx-style app.
5) Some elements look very carbon-ish. For instance in pipeline the categories header.

[sandsl]

According to the Acrobat 6 Pro, the pdfs metadata reads as:

Created: 11/6/2004
Application: TextEdit
PDF Producer: Mac OS X 10.3.4 Quartz PDFContext

Of course, this could mean, that the file was sent to arn as a TextEdit file, and then he saved it as a PDF for online.

I realise that this data is easy to fake - but they make have overlooked it, which was why I checked.

[macsrus]

Dude, we can but hope that they at least release a 64-bit version for the G5, particularly since they have said that wont be releasing a new OS every year now (so probably 18 months). It would suck to be stuck with a 64bit machine with a 32bit operating space.


Tiger WILL be 64 bit.....

[the silver fox]

According to the Acrobat 6 Pro, the pdfs metadata reads as:

Created: 11/6/2004
Application: TextEdit
PDF Producer: Mac OS X 10.3.4 Quartz PDFContext

Of course, this could mean, that the file was sent to arn as a TextEdit file, and then he saved it as a PDF for online.

Indeed.


The history of the GNAA speaks for itself. They mock various sections of society, websites with user groups such as Slashdot and now they are being given too much "airtime" here. We shouldn't be giving them the satisfaction. My last post. :(

[sandsl]

Tiger WILL be 64 bit.....
Some aspects will be 64 bit optimised.

[nsb3000]

I think the fellas over at Konfabulator are gonna be unhappy with this whole Gadget-based Dashboard idea, if it's true. I wasn't totally impressed by the inconsistencies of the Gadgets... too much like play toys.

We'll see come Tuesday's keynote.

P.S. Doesn't Longhorn have a Dashboard? Haha, way to beat them to the punch!


Its like the whole sherlock/Watson fiasco. I personally prefer when Apple comes up with their own ideas..

[HenMaster6000]

If they're real, I'm sad. For one, the even the about box has the same panther-looking X as 10.3. For two, they're ugly. Would steve let that go? No, they're fake.

[Abstract]

I can't believe this conversation has even continued. They're fake. Move on. You only have to wait for another few days for the real deal to be previewed. Why are people still discussing fake pictures? I can see why MacRumours would be targeted by groups like this. They know there are enough suckers who will play along.

[macsrus]

Some aspects will be 64 bit optimised.

Actually... It WILL have a complete 64 bit kernel.... Im 100% sure of this.

I was told G3's would probably not be supported at all.

The only thing I couldnt find out was how they were going to handle G4's

My best guess on G4 support is the installer must be able to detect CPU type and install the appropiate kernel... whether 32 bit or 64.

[nsb3000]

I say these are fake.

The read me looks real, because it probably was real apple Read me,just for another product. There is very little in there that specifically references tiger..I think someone talk another Another read me and just modified it slightly.

Or look at the system preferences. Not a singly newly named control panel? Come on! We all know that Apple loves to rearrange the System preferences at any chance they get.

There is no mention of the new universal access features we know are coming (If Steve's word means anything today) such as the built in screen reader and dramatically improved speech stuff.

And while I would not put it past Apple to rip off Konfabulator and make something that resembles this "Dashboad" it would at least look really cool, which this does not.

I say someone had a few evening of Photo-shoping and is jerking off to seeing there images around the web. These are fake.

[nsb3000]

Why do I get the impression from this comment, maybe an incorrect one, that this is going to be a simple "filler" to keep the yearly OS X profits rolling in while they work on the real "next big thing"


No big changes? No way. This comment just makes me think these are FAKE!

[kerryb]

Not one to believe what I read and see in the press, internet or TV, I have to tell you to me these are legit. All of you pointing out minor errors, like inconsistency with capitals and lower case text must remember Tiger will not be unleashed for months. Did anyone else notice the top white menu strip of the Finder screenshot now has a metal look? This makes perfect sense with Apple's move to brushed metal hardware. How cool is it that there is a computer company that integrates the hardware and software to such a degree. These are real, I'm sure of it.

[ChrisH3677]

This fake "Tiger" is toothless. Steve's Tiger will bite. :)

[nsb3000]

Seriously guys, I could have done a better fake myself in 20 mins with illustrator. They are faketabulous. Do I really have to demonstrate?

Reminds me a bit of the iWalk (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/01/20020102234045.shtml) in its fakenesss. Only these fakes don't propose to do *anything* really cool.

[nsb3000]

Actually... It WILL have a complete 64 bit kernel.... Im 100% sure of this.

I was told G3's would probably not be supported at all.
.


I don't think so. Apple only discontinued its last g3 based product with the introduction of the iBook g4 in Oct. 2003. Assuming that Tiger comes out in Oct 04, this means that Apple would not be supporting Machines that were only a year old. I would accept no g3 support for 10.5, but not 10.4...

[Sayer]

I have seen someone surf in to my website using a version of Safari significantly further up in "build" numbers than what is publicly available. This usually happens right before a new Mac OS X update of some kind.

I won't say exactly what the number was (and it only happened once that I saw) in case someone makes up a fake image with that or similar number as "proof." And since there is no screenshot of Safari in these 10.4 "leaks" I can't tell if this info is really real or not.

I find it odd, however, that there are no new Control Panels at all. Apple always seems to be tweaking those things, changing em around and adding one or two new ones in major releases.

And the widget stuff seems kind of out of place, looks like someone took Konfabulator and made up some stuff real quick.

I dunno. Without that Safari build number, I'd say fake.

[nsb3000]

This fake "Tiger" is toothless. Steve's Tiger will bite. :)

You guys should all vote (http://www.macpolls.com/) on the question of fake vs. real.

[nsb3000]

According to the Acrobat 6 Pro, the pdfs metadata reads as:

Created: 11/6/2004
Application: TextEdit
PDF Producer: Mac OS X 10.3.4 Quartz PDFContext

Of course, this could mean, that the file was sent to arn as a TextEdit file, and then he saved it as a PDF for online.



If Arn did this, then why would he wait more than a week to post the images?

[el_aarono]

The gadgets look pretty amateurish. I would be ashamed to demo that...

I thought the iTunes gadget looks kind of neat; how it incorporates the look of the iPod scroll wheel. But what does "iTunes Not Running" mean? When the current version of iTunes is in its widget form it either has just an Apple logo or the info for whatever track was just played. Saying "iTunes Not Running" seems like having a widget that says "Your Computer Is On" or something else that is totally superfluous.

I am really excited to hear about Tiger, but I think these are fake screenshots.

-A

[jesuscandle]

I can't find the supposed "Pipeline" screenshot? Link?

Am I missing something from the original post?

[ever]

Has anybody noticed that Konfabulator added Esposé-like controls just yesterday (http://www.konfabulator.com/info/version.html)? This is either a joke, a press release, or both. The one thing it isn't, is Tiger.

[michaelrjohnson]

Colour and fun in Mac OSX? NEVER!! That colourful dashboard would never fly with the Mac crowd, and Apple knows that. If we wanted to use WinXP, we wouldn't have bought a Mac. ;)

And that spelling mistake makes all of this look suspicious.

The one thing I like is the dashboard idea, where they'll hopefully include something that allows me to see the temperature outside in my city, and a World Clock. The World Clock is something I need. I don't like to go to my old Handspring visor just to get times in different cities. I also don't like doing the math in my head every time I'm trying to figure out the time in Toronto when it's 10:39am in/near Sydney.
The calender is another thing. A calender should actually appear every time you click on the Date feature on the bar at the top of the screen.

Funny you should mention that. There just happens to be a great app to do just this. It's called wClock (http://www.wolfware.com/wClock.html).

[rdowns]

Actually... It WILL have a complete 64 bit kernel.... Im 100% sure of this.

I was told G3's would probably not be supported at all.

The only thing I couldnt find out was how they were going to handle G4's

My best guess on G4 support is the installer must be able to detect CPU type and install the appropiate kernel... whether 32 bit or 64.

Nonsense. Apple sold G3s until a few months ago. They are hardly going to drop support in their next OS revision. I can see early G3s not being suported, like the ones in the recent G3 lawsuit.

[autrefois]

3) Typographical errors are common in betas - all the previous developer previews of OSX have had spelling mistakes.

I think this is a good point. Several people have mentioned that the spelling mistakes "prove" that this is fake.

I remember when .mac was in the works, there were some people, either here or on another site (it was before I signed up for macrumors.com), that were positive it was a fake because of the inconsistiency between the capital and lowercase m. If you look in your system preferences and click on ".Mac", there is STILL the inconsistency between .mac in the logo and .Mac elsewhere.

Apple is very good about avoiding typos and formatting inconsistencies, but especially at the beta stage I would assume there have to be some that need to be tweaked. And are there really no mistakes currently in Panther in any of the alert messages, help, etc.? (I've noticed one or two when the OS is in French.)

I am NOT saying these images are real, just saying that mistakes/inconsistencies do not prove they're fake.

[2A Batterie]

I'll apologize first for probably asking a dumb question, but what's the big deal about an OSX update? I"m new at this whole "computer" thing, so I don't understand all of your modern technology so I'm scared and confused. But really, why all the hype over a most-likely fake set of Tiger screen shots? I could care less. I really get excited when a new app (like garageband or an update of logic or Protools) is released, but why should I be amped about Tiger?

[LaMerVipere]

The firewall options seem the most fake to me, and the description of this supposed "stealth mode" sounds like it was written by some scifi obsessed nerdy teenager! Trying so sound all cool about it, puuuuuuuhleeeez :rolleyes:

[G42G6]

(Of note, the screenshots come from a previously unconfirmed source, and as a result may spark the usual debates of legitimacy -- though on casual inspection, do appear real (Tiger Read Me PDF (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/readme.pdf))
[/i]

That PDF was produced in TextEdit and exported with the built-in Print PDF Feature...

[iJon]

right now i would state fake cause you know how much we like to looks for the fun ways to prove its fake. on the stealth page they left the period off the middle statement, while the top and bottom ones do have it. yes its small but could easily be a typo if someone worked this up.

iJon

[mj_1903]

The firewall options seem the most fake to me, and the description of this supposed "stealth mode" sounds like it was written by some scifi obsessed nerdy teenager! Trying so sound all cool about it, puuuuuuuhleeeez :rolleyes:

An engineer with a sense of humour usually creates things in Mac OS X. I wouldn't rule it out as being fake simply because its slightly strange. Who knows, it could have been a practical joke.

[iJon]

That PDF was produced in TextEdit and exported with the built-in Print PDF Feature...
hm, we need someone to grab their install discs and see where the originals come from.

iJon

[ChrisH3677]

You guys should all vote (http://www.macpolls.com/) on the question of fake vs. real.

Hey! I tried - but it said I'd already voted! This is the second or third time that's happened in the last few weeks? Is it just me? Has anyone else had that happen? Arn - any ideas? :confused:

[ThomasW]

The Readme file is exactly the same as the readme file of the Panther developer preview. The word "Panther" has been replaced with "Tiger", "Jaguar" has been replaced with "Panther". Everything else is still the same including the graphics. I have just compared it myself.

I don't know if that means that someone has faked this or if Apple has indeed copied the file because this developer preview has the same issues as the Panther developer preview from last year. I really hope it's fake, however.

[autrefois]

right now i would state fake cause you know how much we like to looks for the fun ways to prove its fake. on the stealth page they left the period off the middle statement, while the top and bottom ones do have it. yes its small but could easily be a typo if someone worked this up.

iJon

In Panther 10.3.4, in the Appearances panel, none of the options have a period after them except for the last one ("Turn off text smoothing..."), even though some of the other choices are also complete sentences. My guess is that the period should just not be there.

In Energy Saver, "Show battery status in the menu bar" has no period, whereas "Put hard disks to sleep when possible." does. Period usage is irregular throught system preferences as I look at it now: sometimes they are used and sometimes not. If there's a logic behind it, then I'll stand corrected.

I'm sure we could find more punctuation inconsistencies if we looked. Once again, I don't think the merits of these screenshots are based on spelling or punctuation.

[Finiksa]

The firewall options seem the most fake to me, and the description of this supposed "stealth mode" sounds like it was written by some scifi obsessed nerdy teenager! Trying so sound all cool about it, puuuuuuuhleeeez :rolleyes:

"Stealth Mode" is a common term for a firewall setting that ignores any unrequested connections, instead of responding with "Port Closed" exposing the existence of a computer at that IP address.

Nothing Sci-Fi about it :rolleyes:

[the silver fox]

I'll apologize first for probably asking a dumb question, but what's the big deal about an OSX update? I"m new at this whole "computer" thing, so I don't understand all of your modern technology so I'm scared and confused. But really, why all the hype over a most-likely fake set of Tiger screen shots? I could care less. I really get excited when a new app (like garageband or an update of logic or Protools) is released, but why should I be amped about Tiger?

Because (and this is really cutting it down to the bare basics) for about $129 your computer gets faster every OS release. And if your OS responds quicker, your apps respond quicker.

This is without even considering any new workflow tools they throw in for good measure (expose, services, contextual menus etc), which save me (and presumably any one else who uses them) a WHOLE load of time. I actually went to the sad extreme of comparing 2 days workload through my standard apps (illustrator > photoshop > After Effects or Shake > FCP > DVD studio), one using expose, one not. The day i used expose I saved myself over an hour. Can't really beat that for a time saving feature. :)

[nsb3000]

I'm sure we could find more punctuation inconsistencies if we looked. Once again, I don't think the merits of these screenshots are based on spelling or punctuation.

Right..this is a good point. But there still fake...

[macsrus]

I don't think so. Apple only discontinued its last g3 based product with the introduction of the iBook g4 in Oct. 2003. Assuming that Tiger comes out in Oct 04, this means that Apple would not be supporting Machines that were only a year old. I would accept no g3 support for 10.5, but not 10.4...


I was told it will not release until the first of the year......

And as far as not supporting G3's.... Again I was told they would PROBABLY not be supported

[sandsl]

I was told it will not release until the first of the year......

And as far as not supporting G3's.... Again I was told they would PROBABLY not be supported

By whom? There has been absolutely no official statement by Apple on either the release date, or system compatibility - therefore we're disregarding what you've been "told" as rumor and conjecture :P

[themacman]

i think these screenshots were prety cool, i just hope its a whole new interface of something huge

[broken_keyboard]

I'll apologize first for probably asking a dumb question, but what's the big deal about an OSX update? I"m new at this whole "computer" thing, so I don't understand all of your modern technology so I'm scared and confused. But really, why all the hype over a most-likely fake set of Tiger screen shots? I could care less. I really get excited when a new app (like garageband or an update of logic or Protools) is released, but why should I be amped about Tiger?

The OS contains a bunch of code that is shared or reused by all the apps, so an OS update can make all your existing progs suddenly get better.

[wdlove]

There are so many G3 still running, that it would not seem fair to not support them. The rumor mill on this will be ended in 48 hours. Which reminds me where is the count down clock?

[sfwalter]

Hmmm, no finder pictures? I also have to believe there are more user interface changes other than gadgets? Also the about box looks cut off.

It looks like a fake and smells like a fake, it's probably a fake

If it's real, prove it! Post more screenshots. :D

[iMeowbot]

Has anybody noticed that Konfabulator added Esposé-like controls just yesterday (http://www.konfabulator.com/info/version.html)?

Yep, but the zooming that was added to Konfabulator looks nothing like the GNAA mockup.

This is either a joke, a press release, or both. The one thing it isn't, is Tiger.

I'll take "a joke" for $500.

[mac_gal]

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search.gif

Look at how the icons are lit -- it seems uneven. Some are lit more brightly than others. Some don't have their entire icon / description lit, like "Desktop & Screen Saver."

[applekid]

The GNAA website is so fake. Their press release seems to be poking fun at Mac users and gays alike, so let's say fake for the screenies, too. Even though the concepts aren't too bad.

I'm amazed we haven't had much leaked info about Tiger still. It will have to either blow us away or be hugely lack-luster and be the most useless update yet.

[the silver fox]

The GNAA website is so fake. Their press release seems to be poking fun at Mac users and gays alike, so let's say fake for the screenies, too. Even though the concepts aren't too bad.

I'm amazed we haven't had much leaked info about Tiger still. It will have to either blow us away or be hugely lack-luster and be the most useless update yet.

Tiger will "blow us away", especially with the new eye-candy, but these shots? As fake as Pammy's. ;)

[ChrisH3677]

If it's real, prove it! Post more screenshots. :D

Yeah! Like of the real advancements like we got in the past with Rendezvous and Expose and X11 etc instead of this half-baked, cut-down version of Konfabulator.

[7on]

Exactly! A release on a DVD with the usual system specific installations. Apple has become very good at supporting emulation (classic etc) so it would be very easy for them to run a 32bit emulation space within the 64 code to make sure that all the current apps still have support.
Tiger WILL be 64 bit.....

A 64-bit OS means nothing. You can already run apps higher than 32-bit in Panther. So if you can run 64-bit Apps in Tiger, but Tiger remains 32-bit - where's the disappointment in that? What is the benefit of a 64-bit OS? Maybe a few seconds faster on the G5 machines. Not entirely useful when your leaving out G3 and G4 users. And Apple will not release 2 different version of the client OS. It will confuse many people, just like Windows XP Home and Pro confuses people. Apple will probably not release a 64-bit OS until all their computers have been 64-bit for at least a year. Even then it's ify.

[AT71]

The PDF readme is a fake.

The typeface is not Apple's standard Myraid typeface. Enuff said.

It has one of the most common typographical error not seen in Apple's literature - The Apostrophe Menace.

http://blacksheep.spymac.net/images/typo.gif

[orion123]

These are just fake, period. Anyone who puts any stock in them is an idiot. I can't believe that MacRumors even ran this by saying that it likely was real.

[xtbfx]

I have the public beta... The spoken interface is in the universal access panel, under the seeing tab, with its own like options dialog.

Oh the public beta eh?
I knew that the Spoken Interface was under Universal Access too:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/spokeninterface/

[syco]

************

In the System Prefs one, it's searching for "D". However, "recent items" has no D in it.

[macsrus]

A 64-bit OS means nothing. You can already run apps higher than 32-bit in Panther. So if you can run 64-bit Apps in Tiger, but Tiger remains 32-bit - where's the disappointment in that? What is the benefit of a 64-bit OS? Maybe a few seconds faster on the G5 machines. Not entirely useful when your leaving out G3 and G4 users. And Apple will not release 2 different version of the client OS. It will confuse many people, just like Windows XP Home and Pro confuses people. Apple will probably not release a 64-bit OS until all their computers have been 64-bit for at least a year. Even then it's ify.

64 bit may not be important to you.... but it is extremely important to me and my customers....
I have many applications that require larger than 4 gig memory per single thread/process...

I would like to be able to port these to OSX and get the benifit of the fused-multiply add that the ppc970 floating point unit has...

Until then I'm stuck using overpriced Itaniums/SGI's/ and Power 3/4s

And before someone brings up an opteron it cant do fused multiply add. And its floating point performance is about 50% of what those others are(Clock hertz for clock hertz)


I have been personally told that Tiger will have a 64 bit kernel....

One thing that hasnt been made clear.... because unfortunatly I didnt ask, is whether or not the 64 bit kernel will only be offered as OSX server... and not for the desktop

[the silver fox]

A 64-bit OS means nothing. You can already run apps higher than 32-bit in Panther. So if you can run 64-bit Apps in Tiger, but Tiger remains 32-bit - where's the disappointment in that? What is the benefit of a 64-bit OS? Maybe a few seconds faster on the G5 machines. Not entirely useful when your leaving out G3 and G4 users. And Apple will not release 2 different version of the client OS. It will confuse many people, just like Windows XP Home and Pro confuses people. Apple will probably not release a 64-bit OS until all their computers have been 64-bit for at least a year. Even then it's ify.

The OS currently installs variations of itself, depending on which hardware it sees as its destination, this would work exactly the same for a 64 bit installation. Since it is going to install itself, I'm interested to know why you think this is going to confuse people? Apple are hardly going to let Windows sneak ahead into the realm of the 64bit OS (already available on trial http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx and currently running at 15% faster than standard XP AS A BETA) given their current drive into enterprise with the Xserve and Xserve RAID. That would be a foolhardy mistake that Apple have made before and unlikely to make again (a 64 bit version of Premiere 1.5 Pro is in the works at Adobe to take advantage of the Opteron and Windows 64bit sytem - Again, Apple are not stupid enough to let that sneak ahead of a Tiger/FCP HD combo).

Moreover, to suggest that a 64bit OS means nothing is just plain ludicrous. Do you not want the OS to have the ability to access more memory than 4GB per application (particularly with Apple's Motion software just around the corner, which has a minimum suggested memory spec of 4GB). It hardly seems worthwhile having space for 8GB of RAM in a G5 does it? I don't want to get bogged down into the lengthy mechanics of explaing how a 64bit system is better. It just is.

[the silver fox]

64 bit may not be important to you.... but it is extremely important to me and my customers....
I have many applications that require larger than 4 gig memory per single thread/process...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

64-bit computing by itself ONLY means that the General Purpose Registers are 64-bits wide. That means increased dynamic range. Using the binary number system, a 2-bit processor gives you 4 possible values, a 3-bit gives you 8, 4-bit gives you 16... and a 32-bit processor gives you 4,294,967,296 possible values. (sounds kinda close to the 4 GB RAM limit of 32-bit processors doesn't it? ) That is it's dynamic range. A 64-bit processor's dynamic range is approximately 4.3 billion times greater than a 32-bit processor... which simply means, it can work with much larger numbers.

64-bit computing also allows for more RAM than a 32-bit processor because of it's increased dynamic range. A 32-bit processor can only handle about 4.3 billion values, which translates to about 4 GB of memory. A 64-bit processor has an upper limit of about 18 million terabytes... (32-bit = 0.0043 terabytes... 64-bit = 18,000,000 terabytes).

That's speaking ONLY in terms of 64-bits vs. 32-bit... that has nothing to do with the architecture of the specific processors. I think I'm correct in suggesting that Apple used a 40-bit memory address rather than 64-bit since we're not going to need 18 million terabytes of memory anytime soon... The 40-bit address allows up to 1 terabyte of memory.

I think that is enough for most of us at the moment.

[FreeState]

Just look at the Graphic in the PDF its a 72 dpi gif or jpg. Apple uses high quality TIFF's in its PDF's people. Just look at any of the previous PDFs sent out by Apple on a CD/DVD. This is a really bad fake.

[CmdrLaForge]

Fake !!!!

All but the pdf ! Thats what I think. They just don't look good.

We see on monday.

[hayesk]

The World Clock is something I need. I don't like to go to my old Handspring visor just to get times in different cities. I also don't like doing the math in my head every time I'm trying to figure out the time in Toronto when it's 10:39am in/near Sydney.
The calender is another thing. A calender should actually appear every time you click on the Date feature on the bar at the top of the screen.

Isn't there a shareware World Clock?

[yamabushi]

Isn't there a shareware World Clock?
http://www.timeanddate.com/

[stingerman]

Couldn't have said it better myself.
A 64-bit processor has an upper limit of about 18 million terabytes... (32-bit = 0.0043 terabytes... 64-bit = 18,000,000 terabytes).

That's speaking ONLY in terms of 64-bits vs. 32-bit... that has nothing to do with the architecture of the specific processors. I think I'm correct in suggesting that Apple used a 40-bit memory address rather than 64-bit since we're not going to need 18 million terabytes of memory anytime soon... The 40-bit address allows up to 1 terabyte of memory.

I think that is enough for most of us at the moment.
G5 has a 42bit physical address space for addressing memory and 48 bit virtual space. The G4 has a 36 bit address space or 64GB. The current memory cap is neither the G4 or G5's, it is OS X's VM subsystem. It is technically possible for Apple to allow the G4 to address >4GB up to 64GB per process as well.

[Jmitch]

so, yeah.... unconfirmed.. but a whole lot of trouble to fake.. dashboard appears very un-Apple... at least the styles do. The concept seems cool.

arn

Yeah, this **** looks completely bull.

[aldo]

I said before these are real, and they are.

The quicktime icon is telling you that is real - do you really think they would go to the effort of redesigning bloody icons if they were fake? Added to this the fact that we have already had info that Quicktime 7 is going to be a big leap.

I also know the person that leaked these, and they are in deep **** at apple now. They may lose their job because of this.

Oh, another thing... on my age -- I'm 15, not 16 -- but I don't think that should really intefere with your judgement. I just know the person that leaked these and they would tell me if they leaked fakes, but they didn't own up and I know that he would if they were.

Also -- the GNAA reference is just a joke. It's making a satire out of sterotypes. Ignore it and just laugh.

[zweigand]

I can't believe it took 6 pages before someone noticed that the new "iTunes" says "iTunes not running"! This just goes to show that it is merely a controller for the real iTunes app and apparently the REAL iTunes isn't running. I have personally downloaded several apps that control iTunes in the background, I'm sure there are konfabulator widgets that do the same.

It's fake ....or I'm switching to windoze :eek: :rolleyes:

[rolloffle]

Congratulations, aldo. For your steadfast adherence to "teh facts" in the face of hundreds of sceptical Mac fanbois you will not fail it come Monday.

[rolloffle]

Oh, and zweigand, I hope you enjoy patching your web browser after this Monday.

[unsigned]

The PDF readme is a fake.

The typeface is not Apple's standard Myraid typeface. Enuff said.

It has one of the most common typographical error not seen in Apple's literature - The Apostrophe Menace.


Good eye there, the proofer at my work would be proud!

Also one of my personal pet peeves appears on the "Stealth Firewall" image, where two hyphens with spacing on either side replace a single em (long) dash.

" -- " is for people with typewriters, not the advanced typography engine built into OS X.

[Stella]

Tiger WILL be 64 bit.....
Apple would have to compile a 32bit version.. otherwise LOTS of people will be pissed off.

EDIT:
Additionally, if they dropped G3 support, then surely they would drop G4 support also.. since there are both 32bit processors.

If your going to have a 64bit OS, then the G4 wouldn't be supported either.. and that would just not happen...

If you can support G4s... then you can support G3 too.. An OS really does not need altivec (or however you spell it).

[bertagert]

Arn,

You got wooped this time. That's what you get for taking so much time off and doing other things.

[zweigand]

Oh, and zweigand, I hope you enjoy patching your web browser after this Monday.
I'm just foolin' ...the only way those screenshots are real is if you were now able to customize the GUI (and for individual apps)

some people will buy into anything :rolleyes:

[dstorey]

Oh the public beta eh?
I knew that the Spoken Interface was under Universal Access too:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/spokeninterface/

why would I fake I had the public beta and take the trouble to look there. It's not hard to get, you just fill in a quetionaire on the site and give feedback on the form they like and you get chosen to download it. No big deal.

[mvc]

..this whole posting is so unlikely that I wonder if Arn is himself today?

Could there be more than one Arn, perhaps 'he' is just a login name used by a number of people to hide their real identity from Apple Legal.

Let the "Is Arn really Arn?" thread commence :rolleyes:

(yes, I am joking)

[unfaded]

You know, people, both a 32-bit and a 64-bit version of Mac OS X is likely to fit onto a DVD, given that not EVERYTHING is 32-bit or 64-bit (pictures and the like)

[nagromme]

Prefs search--could be handy and I like the look of the top bar--but rounded boxes (or some icons just vanishing) would be a more Apple-like highlight. I'm skeptical, even if the shots are faked based on real features.

The Dashboard shot? What a PERFECT use for Page 2 :)

BUT good fun anyway :D Tiger's the big news on Monday. How could we miss out on arguing over fake screenshots?

[stoid]

why would I fake I had the public beta and take the trouble to look there. It's not hard to get, you just fill in a quetionaire on the site and give feedback on the form they like and you get chosen to download it. No big deal.

Really? Please post a link! I would LOVE to be an Apple beta-tester, but I thought that it was something much more tricky and required some cash as well. This link request is open to ALL members too, don't be shy! How do I become a Tiger beta-tester?

[dstorey]

Haha, not Tiger beta test...just beta tester for the spoken interface. Well I guess it's one part of Tiger so your misunderstanding wasn't totally incorrect ;)

Really? Please post a link! I would LOVE to be an Apple beta-tester, but I thought that it was something much more tricky and required some cash as well. This link request is open to ALL members too, don't be shy! How do I become a Tiger beta-tester?

[Jmitch]

These screenshots are complete bull.

[aswitcher]

Yeah, as much as I would like a version/form of confabulator as part of the OSX I agree these shots look dodgy...

[noxon]

A very detailed fake?

Note the "PDF Producer" - this is for the screenshots

That field is fixed in a couple of seconds using resorcerer or another datafork editor, and can be set as anything. Since that info is in cleartext in the pdf-file, the "proof" is weak to say the least ;)

[Random Avenger]

Done with SubEthaEdit!

You would probably need to use Acrobat to find out.

os11.pdf (http://zoplionah.com/~jwm/os11.pdf)

[cubist]

Why do we need Dashboard when we already have the Dock? Why is it the Dock and the Dashboard both remind me of Easy Access? :-P

I have an idea: Why not put aliases to your commonly used apps right on the desktop? Then you can launch them anytime you want! :D Oh right, I did that already, in Mac OS 7, 8 and 9.

Any way we can get rid of the dock permanently? Not to mention, choose colors and fonts for the menu bar, windows, etc. OS/2 had the best way - open a font palette and drag a font to where you want the font to change; open a color palette and drag a color to where you want the color to change. And they had that around 1990... I thought Apple was supposed to be the leader in user-friendliness? :-/

[theROZ]

there is no way Apple would make such crap...

[LaMerVipere]

Why do we need Dashboard when we already have the Dock? Why is it the Dock and the Dashboard both remind me of Easy Access? :-P

I have an idea: Why not put aliases to your commonly used apps right on the desktop? Then you can launch them anytime you want! :D Oh right, I did that already, in Mac OS 7, 8 and 9.

Any way we can get rid of the dock permanently? Not to mention, choose colors and fonts for the menu bar, windows, etc. OS/2 had the best way - open a font palette and drag a font to where you want the font to change; open a color palette and drag a color to where you want the color to change. And they had that around 1990... I thought Apple was supposed to be the leader in user-friendliness? :-/

I agree! The Mac OS, elegant and simple as it is......GETS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOORING AFTER A WHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And there are so few available options built into the OS itself to customize it...sad times.

[Aussie John]

Im wondering why the "searching & highlighted" system pref panel doesnt highlight the Printing and Faxing. In the current version there are two "D"s.
Even though a new version could be different its more evidence as fake as far as I am concerned.

[arn]

That field is fixed in a couple of seconds using resorcerer or another datafork editor, and can be set as anything. Since that info is in cleartext in the pdf-file, the "proof" is weak to say the least ;)

Just because something CAN be faked does not mean it is fake.

I leaned towards them being real on the outset due to the level of detail involved overall... not just screenshots, but concepts. That being said, as time goes on without contact from our friends at Apple legal, I'm becoming less convinced.

I'll remind everyone again that proving a fake by pointing out inconsistencies or "look how easy it is to do" is not very reliable. As evidenced by the many REAL leaks that were discounted as fake by so-called "photoshop experts". (Cube photos, PowerMac photos x 2, Panther screenshots).

Go review the many reasons why people felt the panther screenshots were fake (they were not):

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=392788&postcount=121
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=392836&postcount=136
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=392900&postcount=149
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=393258&postcount=192
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=393404&postcount=207

arn

[stoid]

Haha, not Tiger beta test...just beta tester for the spoken interface. Well I guess it's one part of Tiger so your misunderstanding wasn't totally incorrect ;)

Heehee. Damn! And here I thought I could get an advanced look at Apple software. Am I correct in thinking that you have to sign up and pay Apple Developer Connection or something like that to get early access to the goods, or is that not even possible :eek: ?

[wowser]

The whole thing looks horribly like Longhorn :(

[jwdsail]

"Apple has added new security features to their firewall, most significantly a Stealth Mode"

Maybe this points to a firmware update for the AP Express and Extreme including 802.11i and Stealth Mode? Big difrence between the old 802.11b asante router I had and my AP Extreme is the fact that the DSL Reports port scan gives me a failing "grade" due to the lack of the Stealth capability.

I'll keep my fingers crossed. But I won't hold my breath.

[swissmann]

I really hope that 10.4 has a lot more to it than this. I bought 10.3 for Expose (love it), high hopes of fast user switching so Final Cut Pro could render one project in one user and then still edit another project in another user (highly disappointed) - besides permissions to files become a nightmare when using more than one user (useful when you have multiple users on the same machine though, Font Book (I like it), File Vault (use it now and then), and the 64 bit support for my G5. If 10.4 only has things like this no way I'm buying it. I would really go for major improvements of speed and stability for the G5.

[Stella]

The dock is crap. You can quickly fill up a Dock with lots of applications on it.

I'd much rather have a dock and menus where we can put apps on.. much like HP Unix Dashboard.. I loved that.. DockMenu does the same sort of thing.. which I use.




Why do we need Dashboard when we already have the Dock? Why is it the Dock and the Dashboard both remind me of Easy Access? :-P

I have an idea: Why not put aliases to your commonly used apps right on the desktop? Then you can launch them anytime you want! :D Oh right, I did that already, in Mac OS 7, 8 and 9.

Any way we can get rid of the dock permanently? Not to mention, choose colors and fonts for the menu bar, windows, etc. OS/2 had the best way - open a font palette and drag a font to where you want the font to change; open a color palette and drag a color to where you want the color to change. And they had that around 1990... I thought Apple was supposed to be the leader in user-friendliness? :-/

[Dr. Dastardly]

Did anyone notice that the displays icon in the prefs menu is the old displays? If they were previewing 10.4 on the same day they were releasing the new displays why wouldn't they change the icon?

I'm thinking they are fake for more reasons than that (All pretty much listed above), but this icon is SCREAMING fake to me. Most of this is nothing new, but noone has seen the new displays.

First post ever *Woot* :D

[el_aarono]

..this whole posting is so unlikely that I wonder if Arn is himself today?

Could there be more than one Arn, perhaps 'he' is just a login name used by a number of people to hide their real identity from Apple Legal.

Let the "Is Arn really Arn?" thread commence :rolleyes:

(yes, I am joking)


I'm generally not a conspiracy theorist, but with Arn "out of character" and Think Secret also acting strangely.... maybe the real Arn and the real Think Secret writers have been abducted and replaced - by Robots! :eek:

Or maybe Apple decided to use the rumor sites to their advantage and has paid MacRumors and ThinkSecret to post garbage info so the real deal can be announced at WWDC. So the no iMac G5 is trash as well as these screen shots. Then at WWDC Steve will get to blow every one away when he demos Tiger and announces the new iMac (or the new Macintosh, no "i" is my guess). ;)

Of course there is also the possibility that the folks at Apple don't really care at all about the talk that goes on here. :o Has anything said on these boards ever changed the way Apple does its business? Probably not.

later,

A

[Sabbath]

Many of the principles of these screenshots seem reasonable, but the execution doesn't seem great. I have very little experience in software development (2 summers spent working at a computer game firm :o ) but either development of Tiger is only very basic at this stage or these are fake. We "know" there will be a longer gap between Panther to Tiger than Jaguar to Panther, I would think this would mean there will be more new features and improvements. However it could concieviably be the opposite if there are less features then we pay less often, I think this is unlikely.

Hopefully we'll be blown away by the realities of Tiger this week. The source of this info and as arn mentioned the lack of Apple legal intervention makes these screenshots appear fake. Dashboard does sound promising, however it looks horrible :rolleyes:

[the silver fox]

Really? Please post a link! I would LOVE to be an Apple beta-tester, but I thought that it was something much more tricky and required some cash as well. This link request is open to ALL members too, don't be shy! How do I become a Tiger beta-tester?

Dur, by joining the Apple Developers Connection. You may wish to just stay as a normal customer though given that ADC costs over 1K a year. Fine for us developers, but not if you just want access to the OS early.

[ObligatorySmile]

And just so I can be proved right come Monday.

This is Tiger.

[Jmitch]

I'm generally not a conspiracy theorist, but with Arn "out of character" and Think Secret also acting strangely.... maybe the real Arn and the real Think Secret writers have been abducted and replaced - by Robots! :eek:

Or maybe Apple decided to use the rumor sites to their advantage and has paid MacRumors and ThinkSecret to post garbage info so the real deal can be announced at WWDC. So the no iMac G5 is trash as well as these screen shots. Then at WWDC Steve will get to blow every one away when he demos Tiger and announces the new iMac (or the new Macintosh, no "i" is my guess). ;)

Of course there is also the possibility that the folks at Apple don't really care at all about the talk that goes on here. :o Has anything said on these boards ever changed the way Apple does its business? Probably not.

later,

A


I agree.

This whole thing is really strange and out of the norm. Apple isn't broadcasting like they normally would. (and when I say normal I mean not even at the Apple Stores!) Both Think Secret and Arn are acting very "out of character". Those screenshots were weird. Definitely not authentic, yet Arn seems to be defending them. And leaked at such an odd time. Why at this time? Why so late? We also have very little information about Tiger as a whole. With Panther much more information was leaked well before the preview, as well as early screenshots that seemed and were accurate. Something about all this is just too fishy and out of place weird. It doesn't all add up. Well, I guess we'll find out Monday.

[nsb3000]

And just so I can be proved right come Monday.

This is Tiger.

Well, you have a 50% chance of being proved right just by chance!

[nagromme]

I really hope that 10.4 has a lot more to it than this. ... If 10.4 only has things like this no way I'm buying it. ...

Actually, leaked screenshots always show EVERYTHING about a product ;) We may be sure there's nothing more to Tiger than this, if they're real :D

[Punani]

Does anyone know if Jobs' keynote is going to be streamed live or immediately afterwards? I've heard that they won't be broadcasting it to Apple Stores...

[Stella]

I was going to say:
Christ, its a page 2 entry... there have been worse articles... give it a ****ing rest will you!

Page 2 == Not very reliable

BUT... your joking so thats fine.


..this whole posting is so unlikely that I wonder if Arn is himself today?

Could there be more than one Arn, perhaps 'he' is just a login name used by a number of people to hide their real identity from Apple Legal.

Let the "Is Arn really Arn?" thread commence :rolleyes:

(yes, I am joking)

[Random Avenger]

In my opinion, the screenshots at least have some credibility. This seems too similar to last year, with everybody discrediting the screenshots.

The dashboard would be awesome for me. I have been looking for a nice application similar to this, such as Stattoo and the new version of Konfabulator.

From what I see, the dashboard looks mighty suspicious, though. The "iTunes is not running" seems too similar to other widgets. What is more apple-like would be to automatically detect if iTunes is running, and display and hide the widget accordingly. As for the colors, I believe it is the continuation of Apple's color-coding effort, started with Panther with coloring of files and folders in the Finder. This might allow for customization of colors, or just an easy way to identify different widgets. (Keep in mind that Apple also went back to color for the iPod mini).


If this is a hoax, it is a very well-planned one. For the minor details like the creator application of the screenshots, I believe that is a detail that couldn't be accounted for, which adds much credibility to the project.

Other people also mentioned the different Quicktime icon, and other minor details that are easy to overlook in the design.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. I suggest that everybody should place their bet on Fly on the Mac (http://www.flyonthemac.com/index.php?action=view_rumor&rumor_id=322).

[Scottgfx]

If you watch the Quicktime NAB preview of Apple's Motion, they make reference to a "dashboard" in the program to call up certain functions.

[rendezvouscp]

I'm also not convinced by the lack of things mentioning the spoken interface in the system prefs. We all know that Apple is including incredible new accessibility features in this release as they have made announcements about it. I think they would have updated the pref pane to reflect that a little more.

I'm just reading all of the posts, so I don't know if this has been touched on (sorry if it has), but Spoken Interface is all within Universal Access. You can look at some screenshots I posted here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=881399&postcount=170).

Yup, it was touched on by dstorey. Sorry, but the information I'm giving is still useful.
–Chase

[so1omon]

These are definitely, without a doubt, fake. You have been trolled. The GNAA is notorious on Slashdot. They even have a "press release" about it on their website.

http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-tiger

Seriously folks. This is fake. Deal with it.

[MacinDoc]

I'm generally not a conspiracy theorist, but with Arn "out of character" and Think Secret also acting strangely.... maybe the real Arn and the real Think Secret writers have been abducted and replaced - by Robots! :eek:

Or maybe Apple decided to use the rumor sites to their advantage and has paid MacRumors and ThinkSecret to post garbage info so the real deal can be announced at WWDC. So the no iMac G5 is trash as well as these screen shots. Then at WWDC Steve will get to blow every one away when he demos Tiger and announces the new iMac (or the new Macintosh, no "i" is my guess).


Or, more likely, Apple has intentionally leaked false information for the dual purposes of:

1. keeping the real goods under wraps, and
2. sniffing out the moles...

[rendezvouscp]

Heehee. Damn! And here I thought I could get an advanced look at Apple software. Am I correct in thinking that you have to sign up and pay Apple Developer Connection or something like that to get early access to the goods, or is that not even possible :eek: ?

Like he said, fill out the questionaire and you can get picked by Apple to preview some of their software, like Spoken Interface.

BTW, these pictures look awful. I don't like the search as shown in System Preferences. It isn't very specific (ie, where in networking can I find out about DHCP renewal?), and it looks awful with that faint glow. Please don't be real.
–Chase

[sandsl]

I think its getting increasingly likely some of these are actually real, which means some people in this thread are going to be eating their words!

[d00d]

If you watch the Quicktime NAB preview of Apple's Motion, they make reference to a "dashboard" in the program to call up certain functions.I think that dashboard is the row of buttons and controls at the bottom of its window. For example, Quicktime Player has a "dashboard" at the bottom of its window with play/pause, forward, and back buttons.

[slackpacker]

I hope I'm right come monday morning that these shots will be proved FAKE

All I know is what is being presented is what I dont want. What I do want is a true 64 bit OS that uses the G5 in a new and interesting way.Not a new calc app ....


(Also side question : Does anyone know if a G5 system running with Dual 2ghz procs is running both processors for all apps. Lets say I'm running FCP ... is it running at 4ghz or is it running on one thread at 2ghz and then kicking in the 2 CPu's durring the render?)


I use QuickSilver... its Awesome check it out if you get a chance.

[d00d]

(Also side question : Does anyone know if a G5 system running with Dual 2ghz procs is running both processors for all apps. Lets say I'm running FCP ... is it running at 4ghz or is it running on one thread at 2ghz and then kicking in the 2 CPu's durring the render?)Each thread of a program can use up to 2GHz of CPU power. If FCP equally distributes its work among a series of threads, then it will effectively run at 4GHz (minus any thread/system overhead). Multiple threads are needed to utilize multiple CPUs.

[homebrew31182]

go try to look at the screenshots again..oh wow look at that you cant...they have been removed at request of apple legal...which means that they are real, or at least a close representation...all you kiddies that are quick to point out the mistakes and think that you know everything can now be silenced. wait till tomorrow and see

[rendezvouscp]

go try to look at the screenshots again..oh wow look at that you cant...they have been removed at request of apple legal...which means that they are real, or at least a close representation...all you kiddies that are quick to point out the mistakes and think that you know everything can now be silenced. wait till tomorrow and see

Dude, stop spamming the site. That's two posts now of, hm, two! Would a moderator please step in if this continues? Otherwise, please just post a comment, what do you know? Do you have any info? Any speculation?
–Chase

[homebrew31182]

it says it right on the main page

Update 2: Images removed at request of Apple Legal.

[slackpacker]

Big News!!!


http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

I think you'll all be surprised how low Apple has sunk on Monday. Quote By Arlo Rose of Konfabulator

Regards

SP

[Random Avenger]

I think its getting increasingly likely some of these are actually real, which means some people in this thread are going to be eating their words!

That's why I am getting less and less suspicious ... overall, the work is high quality.

[Owaho]

apple legal could want the pictures taken off because they are a false representation and do not want people to become disheartened or agitated for no legitimate reason?

[dvapplepro]

I agree, they would not change the calculator this soon... Look how many years the calculator lasted in the clasic OS. There are many more years to come before a change in look for that app :) :cool:


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[Wardofsky]

Heh, luckily I looked @ the pics using Windows IE wehich meant I could grab the pics from the cache (if anyone wants them just email me) but I don't really like the potential system preferences search feature, it just didn't look that nice.

And the new app skins just look so... well they look like they could've been made by Apple but they just look mods to the original skin.

[Scottgfx]

I think that dashboard is the row of buttons and controls at the bottom of its window. For example, Quicktime Player has a "dashboard" at the bottom of its window with play/pause, forward, and back buttons.

In the Motion demo, the dashboard didn't look like the the Quicktime Player stuff at the bottom of the window. It was black and transparent... but not nearly as large as what was shown in the Tiger images. Don't know what to believe now. :O

[CmdrLaForge]

I guess we will see much more then a implemented Konfabulator in Tiger !

[MacsRgr8]

I guess we will see much more then a implemented Konfabulator in Tiger !

Whatever... fake or real.
Tiger will probably show much, much more cool stuff.

5 hours to go....(edit: 8 to go)

<repeats himself: "you shall not type without looking", "you shall not type without looking", "you shall not type without looking", .....>

[aswitcher]

Whatever... fake or real.
Tiger will probably show much, much more cool stuff.

5 hours to go....

I think you'll find its 8 hours...

[MacsRgr8]

I think you'll find its 8 hours...

Eh... yup.

Damn 8 is above the 5 on the numeric keypad.... :D

Should check my own posts!

[Pipian]

To find the Tiger Readme.pdf anywhere?