More Mac OS X 10.4 Screenshots

[MacRumors]

As a followup to the debate (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040626041303.shtml) on the initial Mac OS X 10.4 Screenshots, here are a few more...

Safari About Box (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/Safari-About.gif)
Safari RSS Feed (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/Safari-RSS.jpg)
Pipeline About (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/Pipeline-About.gif)
System Preferences About (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/System-Preferences-3.0.gif)

Image removed at request of Apple Legal

[MacCoaster]

It seems as if they've released so many screenshots that it couldn't possibly be fake; unless they had way too much time on their hands? Just speculating. I love the idea of Pipeline as I come from the UNIX world where that is known as piping commands.

I hate the "new" Sys Prefs. 10.3 has it right for that, IMO.

Edit: I forgot to include my observation that the version numbers don't have "v" before them, as do all apps from Apple. It's just (58), not (v58). I guess we'll find out Monday.

Edit: Meh, grammar.

[arn]

yeah... real vs. lot of time on their hands.

arn

[stoid]

Same stuff, new images. Looks like exactly what the peanut crowd wanted. I still don't like the idea of the gaussian hi-light in the system prefs, but hey, it's not done yet. The hour of truth draws ever nearer!

[stoid]

It seems as if they've released so many screenshots that it couldn't possibly be fake; unless they had way too much time on their hands? Just speculating. I love the idea of Pipeline as I come from the UNIX world where that is known as piping commands.

I hate the "new" Sys Prefs. 10.3 has it right for that, IMO.

Can you explain in laymen's terms what Pipeline would do? Is it just an extension of the Terminal, or would it be a more 'everyday normal user' application?

[themadchemist]

These don't seem very earth-shattering, whether they are real or not. For the most part, everything seems to be about the same.

The changes in System Prefs are interesting, but I'm not sure what to make of them. I suppose that's a little bit different and might cause some debate.

However, I'm leaning toward someone have too much time on his/her hands. It just seems that an inconsistency like the 'v' thing mentioned above would be the kind that isn't likely from Apple, but much more likely from someone PSing the thing together. But that's just me.

edit: I was just commenting on the GUI. Obviously, new apps like the fabled Pipeline are causing buzz, as they should.

[MacCoaster]

Can you explain in laymen's terms what Pipeline would do? Is it just an extension of the Terminal, or would it be a more 'everyday normal user' application?
It basically seems to connect many applications together, gluing them to perform a more specific task, automatically.

In the UNIX world, we'd use scripts with piping, like this:

balboa:~ will$ app1 | app2 | app3

Which translates to, give the output of app1 to be processed by app2 which will give its output to be processed by app3. Problem with this is that it's obviously very linear, which is solved with "scripts," which allows for decision-making. For example, you noticed a few things in the pipeline screenshot. You can find Items from the Address Book. If I added a few photos to iPhoto and added them to a category, I want to automate the exportation to a HTML gallery, uploading to a web server, informing people by mail, etc. You can combine all that in one single program which is really a script.

Really, really powerful if you take it the correct way. Pipeline just seems to make it easy for the average joe to achieve what UNIX people have been enjoying for years with advanced knowledge of their systems. Of course you could do what I just described in Panther but you'd have to learn AppleScript.

I think the concept is very real and Apple knows it can be an untapped source of power for the average joe to do MUCH more with his computer by automating it.

Edit: Of course I could be totally wrong. We'll see Monday!

[2A Batterie]

Geez, when is this stuff gonna end? At first, these rumors get me giddy but I just don't know if someone is putting out a load of fakes for their amusement. Thank God the WWDC is on Monday... after that all of the new rumors probably will be for the next OS (code name kitty-cat) and/or the the new quad-powered powerbook G7 :rolleyes:

[Fuchal]

It takes 2 seconds to make an about box from scratch.

[nsb3000]

It seems as if they've released so many screenshots that it couldn't possibly be fake; unless they had way too much time on their hands? Just speculating.
Edit: Meh, grammar.

Ya, I am starting to agree. I used to think these were fake, but now I think they are real. If they are real though, why no screen shots of the finder, for example?

[stoid]

Exposé:Panther::Pipeline:Tiger perhaps....

If there is a new version of Mail, my biggest request is that it still shows the new mail badge on the dock icon if one of my 'rules' has moved the message out of the main folder into a sub-folder. Here's to Monday! :D

[stoid]

Ya, I am starting to agree. I used to think these were fake, but now I think they are real. If they are real though, why no screen shots of the finder, for example?

Remember last year, Steve said something to the effect of "We redid the finder, and we think we got it right this time." Hopefully after so many re-vamps of the Finder, it will be other parts of the OS that are the selling point of Tiger.

[broken_keyboard]

Now I am even more sure they are real. The use of the domino to represent the concept of "pipeline" is very Applesque.

[MacCoaster]

Ya, I am starting to agree. I used to think these were fake, but now I think they are real. If they are real though, why no screen shots of the finder, for example?
and...
Remember last year, Steve said something to the effect of "We redid the finder, and we think we got it right this time." Hopefully after so many re-vamps of the Finder, it will be other parts of the OS that are the selling point of Tiger.
Exactly. Finder is just about as tuned as it can be to our knowledge. Any improvement to Finder is probably just a few cosmetic changes or tweakings. Maybe they're adding further integration to other stuff (NFS! NFS! NFS! Dammit, you listening Apple? NFS is important to us UNIX geeks. :) And we don't want to be bothered by the NetInfo, which I hope will be gone in 10.4). Who knows.

I can't wait, especially for Xcode 2.0 which Apple has hinted support for Subversion!

[nsb3000]

Remember last year, Steve said something to the effect of "We redid the finder, and we think we got it right this time." Hopefully after so many re-vamps of the Finder, it will be other parts of the OS that are the selling point of Tiger.

Well I hope not, cuz the finder needs a lot of work, but that is a discussion for another day..

[MacCoaster]

nsb3000, hmm? It needs work? Like what?

[macnews]

I agree with leaving the finder alone. Previous rumors have hinted at a very MS like web desktop. I much like the new finder in 10.3. A few tweeks but not much more thank you - although I have heard the same NFS statement from a few Unix geeks I know. That would be good as the Unix crowd are a big supply of switchers.

Pipeline sounds interesting. I need to learn applescript!

[MacCoaster]

macnews: I think the best thing about Pipeline is that you don't, that's right, you don't have to learn AppleScript to garner the power from it (at least from my understanding).

[stormfield]

Now I am even more sure they are real. The use of the domino to represent the concept of "pipeline" is very Applesque.

Indeed. The 'About Pipeline' box is the most convincing evidence that these screenshots (or, some subset of them) are real. That, or they're crafted by a pixelpusher whose creativity matches their Photoshop abilities.

[macnews]

macnews: I think the best thing about Pipeline is that you don't, that's right, you don't have to learn AppleScript to garner the power from it (at least from my understanding).

I hope you are right! That would be great because there are some common tasks that I would love to automate. For the past few years one of my "to do" things is learn some basic applescript and learn how to script in Adobe apps. Would be huge time savers for students in my lab. But.... as you can tell it is good for students to learn the "whys" behind some things instead of just automation.

[broken_keyboard]

Indeed. The 'About Pipeline' box is the most convincing evidence that these screenshots (or, some subset of them) are real. That, or they're crafted by a pixelpusher whose creativity matches their Photoshop abilities.

It made my day seeing that domino actually. Now when I have to explain to clients about how interfaces have to match up I can just talk about dominoes (I am a developer). And that to have a pipeline you have to have all matching interfaces - what a fantastic analogy.

[broken_keyboard]

nsb3000, hmm? It needs work? Like what?

I don't like any of the view options myself. The icon view just doesn't show enough files - look at all that whitespace they waste. The list view has no way to put all the directories at the top and still have alphabetical order, also it is hard to follow along with your eyes from the filenames on the left to the metadata on the right because they don't use the alternating blue and white lines that other list views have. The column view is a nice way to view hierachy without indentation, but I think a lot of people don't have very deep directory structures anyway - they maybe have 5 dirs they put their stuff in and no subdirs, so this view is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It is useful maybe to programmers looking for docs is a deep hierarchy, that sort of thing.

- there is no way to just type in directly the dir you want to go to, you have to search or browse.
- the border is too fat - the thick grey border makes the controls domniate instead of the files themselves, and the actual files should be the focus.
- there should be an easy way, no matter what program you are in, to get a finder window up. e.g. shift-click on the finder face in the doc open a new window, instead of popping existing to front.
- the first thing I thought would go in the next revision of mac os x is those default bllue folder icons, they are so bad. Doesn't anyone else think so? I know they are supposed to be suggestive of water, but how is being suggestive of water useful? Just the sight of them irritates me.

[rosewoodAt5th]

Notice the copyright is missing from Pipeline about box. I dont know either way but just interesting.

[Trowaman]

Okay, the first set of screen shots I still don't buy. This second set, I may believe. Safari 2.0 seems like a sure call. System prefs, I could see it. Pipeline, I like where this is going. Question though. What is going to knock my socks off to where a regular person is going to want to upgrade?

[applekid]

Question though. What is going to knock my socks off to where a regular person is going to want to upgrade?

That is what matters. People keep saying we will be blown away, but we haven't had any profound leaks. Gotta wait for Monday...

[DMann]

Okay, the first set of screen shots I still don't buy. This second set, I may believe. Safari 2.0 seems like a sure call. System prefs, I could see it. Pipeline, I like where this is going. Question though. What is going to knock my socks off to where a regular person is going to want to upgrade?

I do hope for more impressive innovations to
entice yet another upgrade.... :rolleyes:

[DMann]

That is what matters. People keep saying we will be blown away, but we haven't had any profound leaks. Gotta wait for Monday...

First childproof... then Waterproof...
Now Fool Proof ...... Apple is becoming
increasingly more savvy at holding their
cards closer to the chest. Wee shall soon
see...... ;)

[Darwin]

That is what matters. People keep saying we will be blown away, but we haven't had any profound leaks. Gotta wait for Monday...

Didn't we have this problem with Panther?

I remember the disscussions that went on about the new features for 10.3 and the only thing I remember was a set of screenshots for Piles

I have a good feeling that there is some cool new features :)

(fingers crossed)

[applekid]

Didn't we have this problem with Panther?

I remember the disscussions that went on about the new features for 10.3 and the only thing I remember was a set of screenshots for Piles

I have a good feeling that there is some cool new features :)

(fingers crossed)

I remembered the last set of leaked Panther pics as being the features we later saw.

I remember that Piles screenshot, and that was an easy open-and-shut-case, IMHO.

[nagromme]

There's also the possibility that Tiger will be a good solid step forward but NOT a must-have. You can then choose not to buy it and wait for 10.5. Nothing wrong with that.

I do hope for more though :)

[Localcelebrity]

I still don't buy it.. apple legal would have stepped in by now if this was real

[ryanw]

Ya, I am starting to agree. I used to think these were fake, but now I think they are real. If they are real though, why no screen shots of the finder, for example?

If they're real, how come no cease and decist from apple?

[Zaty]

I still don't buy it.. apple legal would have stepped in by now if this was real

Not necessarily because if they're real. Apple has managed to keep it secret until two days before the world will know about anyway, secondly Apple certainly is aware that there is always a risk of leaks. OTH, if they're fake, Apple has done even a better job keeping all the new features secret. Either way, with only day to go, Apple already is on the safe side.

[the silver fox]

Ya, I am starting to agree. I used to think these were fake, but now I think they are real. If they are real though, why no screen shots of the finder, for example?

Becuase they ARE FAKE. We have heard rumor that the finder has changed radically. They havent provided any radical shots (dashboard? purrrrlease) becuase they don't have the imagination to work up something to replace it.

[the silver fox]

Okay, the first set of screen shots I still don't buy. This second set, I may believe. Safari 2.0 seems like a sure call. System prefs, I could see it. Pipeline, I like where this is going. Question though. What is going to knock my socks off to where a regular person is going to want to upgrade?

I think that a "pipeline" feature would most likely have a nodal based connection system like "node view' in Shake or "graphical view" in DVDSP3. That would make the most sense to people in terms of connecting taks.

[Megaquad]

I believe both first and this screenshots are true, chances someone made good fakes like this are extremely low.
Too bad there aren't any revolutionary changes in OS...

[nsb3000]

I remembered the last set of leaked Panther pics as being the features we later saw.

I remember that Piles screenshot, and that was an easy open-and-shut-case, IMHO.

There were in fact screen shots (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030621013140.shtml) that were latter confirmed to be real released a few days before the WWDC last year.

[nsb3000]

I still don't buy it.. apple legal would have stepped in by now if this was real

This is the only thing that makes me think they still might be fake. However, if Apple legal did step in, that would just confirm to all of us that they were real, so what's the point? They probably figure it is better just to wait until tomorrow so its a non-issue.

[Sabbath]

It seems more likely these are not fake, although I hope we haven't seen the big news yet. It seems these people love playing with us, why do they just send a safari about box that is a lot easier to fake than a whole screenshot with lots going on and the safari about box.

I guess we'll know soon, I can't wait

[Cochrane]

People keep talking about About-Boxes, as if it was something that counted. To put that straight: Anyone having XCode can make an About-Box within 3 Seconds. A real one, only with fake text. Indistuingishable from the real stuff.

However, what I kinda wonder about is the title bar of system preferences. Ever seen something like that? Just like in Metal, there is no true title bar anymore, the title goes directly into the window. Maybe Apple would even do that, but if they did, why do the About-Boxes still have the normal title bar? Seems strange to me.

And about the highlights in System Preferences: That is anything but something that Apple would do, at least that Apple would do until now. Imagine you enter something and two panes are highlighted. Yes, we all love guesswork, don't we? And this effect... Apple does not use any effect similar to this anywhere in the OS. Sure, they could introduce it, but I doubt it.

A last thing about System Preferences: The navigate-buttons are displayed sunken, just like in metal-windows (Safari, Finder). Appears funny to me.

All in all, I highly doubt that these or at least, some of these, show the real thing.

[settledown]

This is the DEFINING reason to prove they are real....

After I look at each screen cap, I actually click on the screen cap to close the "About Box" window. I can't help it.

Ok I'm a dunce, but tell me YOU didn't do it too, c'mon...admit it.

[Sayer]

The build number in Safari's about box is the one I saw one my webserver last week surfing in via an Apple IP (I believe).

So there is some credibility there at least as far as Safari goes in my mind.

I usually see newer Safari builds as we get closer to a new release of either Safari itself or Mac OS X updates/releases all on Apple IPs.

So unless someone went to an obscure website with a spoofed Apple IP and this exact Safari build number, this aspect of the 10.4 rumor is accurate.

[Cochrane]

The build number in Safari's about box is the one I saw one my webserver last week surfing in via an Apple IP (I believe).

So there is some credibility there at least as far as Safari goes in my mind.

I usually see newer Safari builds as we get closer to a new release of either Safari itself or Mac OS X updates/releases all on Apple IPs.

So unless someone went to an obscure website with a spoofed Apple IP and this exact Safari build number, this aspect of the 10.4 rumor is accurate.

Could you please give some confirmation, e.g. post a part of your log files or point us to an URL where we can see them directly?

[Captain Canuck]

nsb3000, hmm? It needs work? Like what?

They could take a few hints from Cocoatechs Path Finder like incorporating access of utilities (i.e creating disk images for one) from the Finder.

http://www.cocoatech.com/pf.php

cw

[Gelfin]

The build number in Safari's about box is the one I saw one my webserver last week surfing in via an Apple IP (I believe).

So there is some credibility there at least as far as Safari goes in my mind.

I usually see newer Safari builds as we get closer to a new release of either Safari itself or Mac OS X updates/releases all on Apple IPs.

So unless someone went to an obscure website with a spoofed Apple IP and this exact Safari build number, this aspect of the 10.4 rumor is accurate.

I'm not commenting whether I think these are fake or not, but you've ignored a few much more plausible possibilities.

First, someone who wanted to plant fake Safari version numbers might naturally start by going to the websites of Macrumors members. Your public link doesn't go to your obscure website, but the pictures of your daughters posted on your blog do. Anybody looking at your blog is producing entries in the access log of your site.

Second, it isn't necessary to spoof an Apple address. Apple's a big company. They look at the rumor sites just like we do. Apparently they get a kick out of it, or at least they did back in the day of the really wacky rumors. I wouldn't be surprised to find fake rumors started by Apple employees just to tweak forumgoers.

Third, if the entry you saw in your logs was a legitimate entry from an actual Apple employee using an unreleased version of Safari, then that surfer doubtless surfs other web sites as well. If you saw this version number in your access log, then someone else (someone interested in scamming) might have seen it in their access logs.

Fourth, hey, it could be real. Who knows? I'm just saying it's not quite the either/or situation you stated. I don't think it matters so much now. We'll all know tomorrow.

[elmimmo]

- there is no way to just type in directly the dir you want to go to, you have to search or browse.Menu Go/Go to folder... or Command+Shift+G- the border is too fat - the thick grey border makes the controls domniate instead of the files themselves, and the actual files should be the focus. You may like them or you may not, but they are supposed to be there so you can easily move the window around.- there should be an easy way, no matter what program you are in, to get a finder window up. e.g. shift-click on the finder face in the doc open a new window, instead of popping existing to front.That is a matter of preference. I can see how it is useful considering how open/save accept dragging items from the Finder onto them, and I have been a Windows user for a long time, and I was indeed too used to Windows+E (opens up Windows' Explorer no matter what app you are in). I have grown not to miss it, though, after discovering LaunchBar, but I see your point. In any case, LaunchBar's not part of the system, so whatever.those default bllue folder icons, they are so bad. What would be better? Yellow? ^_^ In any case, think about what you just said? Is that one of the reasons you would upgrade? Is that what you hope Apple is working on? Being such a subjective thing, you cannot really hope Apple is going to please everyone (i.e. you) with all the cosmetic decisions, so if they are so annoying to you, you have alternatives (candybar at iconfactory.com).

[sjk]

There's also the possibility that Tiger will be a good solid step forward but NOT a must-have. You can then choose not to buy it and wait for 10.5. Nothing wrong with that.Well, untll your favorite app adds a must-have feature that only works with 10.4. :)

[Trainlogan]

By chance did anyone grab thoes images off the site before the apple legal team came in and had them removed, and does anyone know a link to download them?

[rog]

This rumor can't be true. Apple would never release a version 10.4 because we also know the significance of "10.4" in ancient Norweigan culture now don't we?

[Dr. Dastardly]

Apple Legal probably haven't pulled these since this is nothing new from what they showed us at WWDC. They showed Automater at WWDC, isn't Pipeline just about the same thing? :confused:

[ABassCube]

Nothing new??! I didn't get to see these images before they were pulled, but from what you guys have said, it doesn't sound as if the screenshots showed much about Spotlight at all (just the System Prefs search thing). Spotlight is really the main feature of Tiger, and I'm definitely impressed. :) Tiger's definitely going to be worth it, especially considering that we obviously don't know most of the features of it yet (over 150 is the same number as was said for Panther, so there's obviously going to be a lot of cool new features that we don't know about yet (or that maybe even Apple doesn't; the release is 6 months to a year away). :)

Adam

[sjk]

over 150 is the same number as was said for Panther, so there's obviously going to be a lot of cool new features that we don't know about yetI still can't find #137 in Panther. :)

[ABassCube]

I still can't find #137 in Panther. :)

LOL. :) Well obviously Apple counts every single tiny enhancement to everything, even though those shouldn't exactly count as new "features."

BTW, I haven't been here in a long time, but what happened to that awesome OS X theme we used to have here?

Adam

[sjk]

BTW, I haven't been here in a long time, but what happened to that awesome OS X theme we used to have here?Forum theme? Probably a casualty of the vBulletin 3.x "upgrade". At least AutoFill+Keychain login with Safari still works here, unlike nearly every vB 3.x forum I visit.

[gopher]

I still can't find #137 in Panther. :)

Apple lists 150 new features here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/

[sjk]

Oh, right... thanks, gopher. That reminded me about auto-complete in TextEdit.

[joe4ska]

I'm a big fan of Panther, its leaps and bounds beyound the Jaguar and Cheeta.

I find it hard to believe that Tiger can really improve on near perfect project.

After all Konfabulator already does most of the improvements Job's was featuring.

I'll have to wait until i see someone else using it until i upgrade.

[nuckinfutz]

I'm a big fan of Panther, its leaps and bounds beyound the Jaguar and Cheeta.

I find it hard to believe that Tiger can really improve on near perfect project.

After all Konfabulator already does most of the improvements Job's was featuring.

I'll have to wait until i see someone else using it until i upgrade.

You better believe Joe. Tiger is a huge step up from panther.

Just rattling off the top of my head.

1. Spotlight- will help you find just about anything on your computer. Yes there are apps that search now based on simple indexes but Spotlight goes much deeper in tracking metadata.

2. 64bit- Apps can now be recompiled to take advantage of more than 4GB of RAM.

3. Automator- Want to automate certain tasks on your Mac with ease? No programming required! Even supports OSX Shell scripts. cool

4.Core Image/Video- Ever run iMove or iPhoto and have to wait for images to load or transitions to render. Wish that could be sped up? Well if you have a computer with a newer GPU these CPU munching tasks now happen in real time or close to it.

5 Quartz 2D Extreme. Ever pulled a window only to have it lag behind your mouse. Wish you had that window dragging speed of OS9. Q2D Extreme is going to speed up GUI functions probably by a factor of at least 2x.

6. Resolution Independence- Hey have you ever seen a huge LCD that has a resolution of 1600 x 1200 and all the text and icons were absolutely tiny? Now image if you could simply "scale" the OS to any resolution you want. So, say you're running a 30" monitor at 2500 x 1600 and you notice your text is the size of a gnats nards. Simply just scale the OS up to a level where the icons and text suit you but you still get to reap the benefits of the screens high resolution.

7. Xgrid- It's built in. Every copy of Tiger has xgrid there just waiting for your enabled apps. Want to add and iBook or a Powerbook someday to your Mac collection. Wish you could speed up some apps by having both work on the same project simultaneously? ;)

8. AVC- Did you know Tiger is going to have a new codec that plays High Definition video in the same rate that your DVD plays at albeit at less than 4x the resolution. Don't have a Dual G5 to run the High Def picture..fear not AVC is a codec that scales down to cell phone size. You could still view DVD quality video but the bitrate would only be like 2Mbps.

Cool stuff man and I haven't even got into the geeky stuff like Core Data or support for High Dynamic Range photos. Hell there are over a 100 more features I don't even know about.

Tiger is going to make you get wood when you see what it can do. Just promise not to propose to your Mac. Love has its limits. :P

[djdarlek]

[QUOTE=nuckinfutz]You better believe Joe. Tiger is a huge step up from panther.

Just rattling off the top of my head.



Wow, reading all that actually made me dribble more than the apple bumf. on their website! Lovely! :eek:

[sjk]

1. SpotlightInteresting comments about that here (http://daringfireball.net/2004/07/spotlight_on_spotlight) and here (http://inessential.com/?comments=1&postid=2890).6. Resolution Independence-Useful with those 30" displays, eh? :)

I'm curious if there are any changes in the keyboard/mouse implementation, as suggested here (http://daringfireball.net/2003/12/losers_weepers).

[Dr. Dastardly]

Cool stuff man and I haven't even got into the geeky stuff like Core Data or support for High Dynamic Range photos. Hell there are over a 100 more features I don't even know about.

Tiger is going to make you get wood when you see what it can do. Just promise not to propose to your Mac. Love has its limits. :P
Oh please get into the core data too! please please please! *drool*

[ABassCube]

1. Spotlight- will help you find just about anything on your computer. Yes there are apps that search now based on simple indexes but Spotlight goes much deeper in tracking metadata.


This is by far the coolest looking Tiger feature we know about. I think a lot of people are underestimating the implications of this feature. I guess people don't quite get how amazing full metadata indexing/searching is. Oh well, they'll see for themselves soon enough. :)


5 Quartz 2D Extreme. Ever pulled a window only to have it lag behind your mouse. Wish you had that window dragging speed of OS9. Q2D Extreme is going to speed up GUI functions probably by a factor of at least 2x.

6. Resolution Independence- Hey have you ever seen a huge LCD that has a resolution of 1600 x 1200 and all the text and icons were absolutely tiny? Now image if you could simply "scale" the OS to any resolution you want. So, say you're running a 30" monitor at 2500 x 1600 and you notice your text is the size of a gnats nards. Simply just scale the OS up to a level where the icons and text suit you but you still get to reap the benefits of the screens high resolution.


Interesting I hadn't heard about either of these. Can you post links describing them in more detail?


Cool stuff man and I haven't even got into the geeky stuff like Core Data or support for High Dynamic Range photos. Hell there are over a 100 more features I don't even know about.


Please talk about this or post links. :)

Adam

[Catfish_Man]

This is by far the coolest looking Tiger feature we know about. I think a lot of people are underestimating the implications of this feature. I guess people don't quite get how amazing full metadata indexing/searching is. Oh well, they'll see for themselves soon enough. :)



Interesting I hadn't heard about either of these. Can you post links describing them in more detail?



Please talk about this or post links. :)

Adam

It's all under NDA. I can say though that resolution independence is VERY buggy and isn't planned to be turned on for 10.4, Quartz 2D is also definitely a work in progress, but is essentially GPU acceleration for the other half of Quartz (Quartz is the combination of Quartz Compositor and Quartz2D. Quartz Extreme accelerates only Quartz Compositor). Core Data is similar to NeXT's EOF (from what I've heard, I never programmed for NeXT). Basically it is to the model what bindings are to the controller, and (sorta) what interface builder is to the view. If you don't know what that means, you'll probably never use Core Data.

[benpatient]

wow...so now we won't have to run Windows to be able to see the menus at 1600x1200? about time. We can scale the dock size but not the menu font sizes...how messed up is that?

[genehack]

partly true:

-the UI is MUCH faster,almost 20%
all OS apps like Safari,Mail.... start within one bounce

-iDisk finally works fast and doesn´t slow down the finder as before

-stealth mode is perfect

-spotlight isn´t perfect yet,since it doesn´t option hidden files ;-((

-it isn´t buggy at all.I run it since WWDC and only had two crashes yet.
Sometimes it takes three attempts to disconnect an external drive.IMHO
that´s minor.Even Safari 2.0 is stable and faster than 10.3.5 one.

[djdarlek]

partly true:

-the UI is MUCH faster,almost 20%
all OS apps like Safari,Mail.... start within one bounce

-iDisk finally works fast and doesn´t slow down the finder as before

-stealth mode is perfect

-spotlight isn´t perfect yet,since it doesn´t option hidden files ;-((

-it isn´t buggy at all.I run it since WWDC and only had two crashes yet.
Sometimes it takes three attempts to disconnect an external drive.IMHO
that´s minor.Even Safari 2.0 is stable and faster than 10.3.5 one.

I must admit, i've been fairly blown away by the Tiger preview. Like genehack mentions, it really does seem very stable for such an early release, and the searching indexing is almost freaky! And the dashbord does look as though it will eliminate the need for having address book/calculator icons hogging up the dock.

Finder does also seem much more responsive. Even Safari seems better that the current Panther version! Having the ability to search bookmarks is a winner from my point of view, and the private browsing function is perfect for those couples out there. If i aquire the urge to visit a porn site (heaven forbid) I now don't have to keep clearing my history before my wife checks the computer. lol

[Platform]

We need Tiger becasue apple are making 64bit comps but they dont have an OS that utilizes it fully, when tiger comes we can use the new and great features of 64bit :rolleyes:

[wdlove]

We need Tiger because apple are making 64bit comps but they don't have an OS that utilizes it fully, when tiger comes we can use the new and great features of 64bit :rolleyes:

My understanding that Tiger still won't completely use 64bit. The majority of Mac's still aren't G5 yet. Tiger will move us closer to that reality. It will be important also for developers to utilize 64bit technology.

[mox358]

Tiger is not a true 64-bit os, it just has hooks so 64-bit apps can address more memory. It lets apps that need the memory to use beyond what they can in panther, but the system itself is still 32-bit for G3 and G4 compatibility.

Its not really a big deal whether its 64-bit or not. We've all been trained by Nintendo and Sony that 32, 64, 128 bits is better. In the videogame world, yes it is. In MacLand, not as much. Not very many of us are really hitting that 32-bit ceiling just yet, and its a waste of development time to have apple build a compleatly 64-bit OS that the majority of their users cannot run, and that doesn't benefit most of the one who can. Mac OS will be 64-bit when it needs to be.

The other features of Tiger are much more exciting to me - Spotlight, Automater, Safari 2, and the metadata enhanced system ( I love Smart Folders!). Apple is building one hell of a platform to develop for here. Look for some awesome 3rd party apps to steal the show after Tiger is released, because I have a feeling its going to open some floodgates on creativity.

Just my 2 cents.

[hob]

Tiger is not a true 64-bit os, it just has hooks so 64-bit apps can address more memory. It lets apps that need the memory to use beyond what they can in panther, but the system itself is still 32-bit for G3 and G4 compatibility.

Its not really a big deal whether its 64-bit or not. We've all been trained by Nintendo and Sony that 32, 64, 128 bits is better. In the videogame world, yes it is. In MacLand, not as much. Not very many of us are really hitting that 32-bit ceiling just yet, and its a waste of development time to have apple build a compleatly 64-bit OS that the majority of their users cannot run, and that doesn't benefit most of the one who can. Mac OS will be 64-bit when it needs to be.

The other features of Tiger are much more exciting to me - Spotlight, Automater, Safari 2, and the metadata enhanced system ( I love Smart Folders!). Apple is building one hell of a platform to develop for here. Look for some awesome 3rd party apps to steal the show after Tiger is released, because I have a feeling its going to open some floodgates on creativity.

Just my 2 cents.

Hear hear...

But what does make a "true" 64-bit OS? Would you say "true" means "only"? Because I get the feeling that Tiger, whlist being what you would define as a 32-bit OS with a 64-bit "emulator", I would just say that that surely is a 64-bit OS. If it can do the 64-bit stuff as well as a pure 64-bit OS then surely it is one?

(Just a question ;))

Hob

[Bendit]

For those wondering what Pipeline is:

It's a visual drag and drop program to create AppleScript (and maybe shell scripts?) scripts. You'll now be able to make a little app that does things like renaming a bunch of MP3s or resizing photos. Since many apps (like Photoshop, iLife) support AppleScript, this should be very usable with most popular Mac apps.

It will mainly be used to make batch operations easier.

[rozwell]

...or resizing photos...
+ + photoshop actions + +. couldn't live without them.