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zimv20
Jun 27, 2004, 01:16 PM
link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-040623hersh,1,5261144.story?coll=chi-homepagenews2-utl)

i found this to be a good, informative article. i didn't even know mr. hersh is from chicago. from the article, here's a short list of his accomplishments:

From these streets sprang a groundbreaking journalist who has revealed some of America's darkest official secrets.

Hersh's 1969 disclosure of the My Lai massacre has been called pivotal in turning the tide of public opinion against the Vietnam War. He detailed President Nixon's secret bombing of Cambodia, CIA spying on American dissidents and the hidden nuclear arms programs of Israel and Pakistan.

Today, Hersh is widely credited with breaking the news that Iraqi war prisoners were abused at Abu Ghraib, although a few of the iconic photographs were aired on CBS' "60 Minutes II" on April 28, two days before his detailed account was posted by The New Yorker magazine. The scandal has roiled the Bush administration and refigured world opinion about the U.S.

"I can't think of a single reporter who has brought more important stories to light," said Bill Kovach, founding director of the Committee of Concerned Journalists and Hersh's editor at The New York Times during the 1970s.

"Sy exposed some of the most despicable behavior on the part of public officials," Kovach said. "He's made Americans aware when our leaders don't measure up to the values expressed in all the songs we sing and pledges we make."

[...]

Written in the face of libel threats and official denial, Hersh's New Yorker stories since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks won a National Magazine last month. The New Yorker pieces helped expose the administration's false claim that Iraq got nuclear materials from Niger, broke news about the illicit nuclear weapons dealing of A.Q. Khan, the architect of Pakistan's atomic bomb, and traced sensitive NSA eavesdrops suggesting corruption among Saudi leaders.

His May New Yorker story "Chain of Command" alleged that Defense Secretay Rumsfeld personally authorized a secret program of harsh prisoner interrogation in Afghanistan that laid the foundation for the Abu Ghraib horrors. Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita called that story "outlandish, conspiratorial" and "journalistic malpractice."


learned this bit of history between him and some current administration officials:

In 1975 when Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney were top aides to President Gerald Ford, Rumsfeld floated a proposal to have the FBI search Hersh's home to halt his reporting on a submarine espionage program, papers from the Gerald R. Ford Library show.


and what does mr. hersh say about what's going on these days?

"We're living in dark times," he says, gently rubbing his gray-thatched temples. He inhabits a reality we can barely glimpse, crosscut by the chatter of encrypted satellite signals. For national security officials, leaking to Hersh is "generally better than writing a memo to the president," remarks his friend and competitor --Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus.

In recent months, The New Yorker editor David Remnick says, Hersh "seems to begin every phone call with the line, `It's worse than you think.'"

The secrets don't show on his face, but when Hersh lets down his guard even a little, the inner life of the inside man seems to leak into the air around him. He is haunted by the as-yet-unpublished photographs of Iraq prison abuses. "You haven't begun to see evil until you've seen some of these pictures that haven't come out," he says.

There are still prisons the public doesn't know about, he says. Secret prisons. "I would guess -- I don't have it pure -- but we're basically in the disappearing business," he tells his U. of C. audience.

Hersh is worried that America doesn't have good intelligence within the Iraqi insurgency. "We don't know what's going to happen next," he says. "We have no endgame." And the nation's reputation is shattered among middle-class Muslims "who want to do business and send their kids to school here."


"The fragility of our government is terrifying," he tells his U. of C. audience. A handful of neoconservatives took control of the levers of government "without a peep from the bureaucracy, the Congress, the press," he says. "It was so easy. They did it so smoothly. What is it about us that made us so vulnerable to these people?"


emphasis mine



Sayhey
Jun 27, 2004, 01:28 PM
link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-040623hersh,1,5261144.story?coll=chi-homepagenews2-utl)

i found this to be a good, informative article. i didn't even know mr. hersh is from chicago. from the article, here's a short list of his accomplishments:


I've been a fan of his for many years. Thanks for the link, zim.

By the way, love the new signature. I saw that Bush's insightful response came from an interview in which the questions had to be approved before hand. They had days to prepare and this is the best he can come up with? Now the White House is so mad with RTE that they won't let Laura talk to them. It's hard not to laugh, but it is so pathetic as to be unbelievable.

Neserk
Jun 27, 2004, 01:34 PM
Why can the truth be so depressing?

zimv20
Jun 27, 2004, 01:40 PM
By the way, love the new signature.
i love tautology

Now the White House is so mad with RTE that they won't let Laura talk to them. It's hard not to laugh, but it is so pathetic as to be unbelievable.
omg that is SO LAME. i can't even say that the reporter took off the kid gloves. this was not a tough interview by any stretch of the imagination. now, if this only mattered to a majority of the voting public...

Neserk
Jun 27, 2004, 01:42 PM
You are great for building my vocabulary

One entry found for tautology.


Main Entry: tau·tol·o·gy
Pronunciation: to-'tä-l&-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: Late Latin tautologia, from Greek, from tautologos
1 a : needless repetition of an idea, statement, or word b : an instance of tautology
2 : a tautologous statement

zimv20
Jun 27, 2004, 01:47 PM
i think this one captures it best (dictionary.com):
Logic. An empty or vacuous statement composed of simpler statements in a fashion that makes it logically true whether the simpler statements are factually true or false; for example, the statement Either it will rain tomorrow or it will not rain tomorrow.

IJ Reilly
Jun 27, 2004, 01:53 PM
1 a : needless repetition of an idea, statement, or word

:D

skunk
Jun 27, 2004, 03:38 PM
i love tautology
George Bush loves hyperbole, non sequiturs and malapropism :)

blackfox
Jun 27, 2004, 03:49 PM
Now the White House is so mad with RTE that they won't let Laura talk to them. It's hard not to laugh, but it is so pathetic as to be unbelievable.
Well, the Irish ARE terrorists, right? what would they know about Freedom and self-determination against occupiers? ;)

Thanks for the Hersh link...

skunk
Jun 27, 2004, 03:55 PM
Well, the Irish ARE terrorists, right? what would they know about Freedom and self-determination against occupiers? ;)

Too much for comfort ;)

blackfox
Jun 27, 2004, 03:59 PM
Too much for comfort ;)
Thought I might get a response from you... :D

I remember it from the British perspective through the 80's...

Sayhey
Jun 27, 2004, 04:11 PM
Well, the Irish ARE terrorists, right? what would they know about Freedom and self-determination against occupiers? ;)


No taking swipes at Connolly and his boys now! :mad: ;)

Link (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=923325&selectedItemId=1400593)

zimv20
Jun 27, 2004, 04:13 PM
I remember it from the British perspective through the 80's...
not even two years ago, i was standing in Liverpool Street station, garbage in hand, wondering what to do with it...

skunk
Jun 27, 2004, 04:14 PM
No taking swipes at Connolly and his boys now! :mad: ;)
Much as I'd love to hear what I expect is an Irish Revolutionary Ballad right now, it's not available on iTMS UK. Work that one out! :rolleyes:

skunk
Jun 27, 2004, 04:17 PM
I remember it from the British perspective through the 80's...
It wasn't much fun, was it?

Sayhey
Jun 27, 2004, 04:23 PM
Much as I'd love to hear what I expect is an Irish Revolutionary Ballad right now, it's not available on iTMS UK. Work that one out! :rolleyes:

Sorry, it's a link to the Clancy Brothers singing "The Rising of the Moon." It must be some diabolical censorship from the royalists in AppleUK. ;)

blackfox
Jun 27, 2004, 04:32 PM
It wasn't much fun, was it?
No...and to Zim, I also know what you are talking about...many of my relatives live in the Greater London area, and I am back there as often as I can afford...w/ or w/o trash cans (rubbish bins)...
I meant my first comment to be rhetorical, but do you think some paralells can be drawn/lessons learned from that conflict with respect to Iraq? I have some fairly strong biases, I will admit...of course, the same might be said for our current conflict w/ Iraq (if for different reasons)...I do not mean to take the thread off-course...