WWDC, Photos and More on Tiger

[MacRumors]

WWDC kicks off tomorrow in San Francisco. Unfortunately, MacMinute confirms (http://www.macminute.com/2004/06/27/wwdckeynote) that there will be no Satellite Broadcast and will not be broadcast to Apple Stores.

Photos of Apple's WWDC Tiger banners, however, were posted in one blog entry (http://www.livejournal.com/users/drengy/62054.html).

Meanwhile, the same source (GNAA) as the original Tiger screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040626041303.shtml) provides the following additional details from Mac OS X 10.4:

1) Smart Folders in Finder - these virtual folders allow you save specific search criteria for files and present matching files. Similar to iTunes' Smart Playlists.

2) Mail.app - Smart folders, account specific signatures, and a connection doctor.

3) Search field in the top right of the Mac OS X menu bar which allows you to search files in Finder.

MacRumors will attempt to provide a feed if at all possible. If you will have access to the keynote and are willing to assist, please contact the webmaster (mailto:webmaster@macrumors.com?Subject=WWDC Coverage).

[nsb3000]

Smart Folders! :D :eek: :D

This will be cool. Glad to know there is more to 10.4 than had previously been leaked. Now I am a little more confident this will be a worth while release.

[frequeniquity]

This should keep Redmond busy indeed! :D

[danbalsh]

Smart Folders in Finder - these virtual folders allow you save specific search criteria for files and present matching files. Similar to iTunes' Smart Playlists.

Surely this must mean a new(er) FileSystem, something with proper META-Data? otherwise that kinda feature would bring the system to it's Knees! :confused:

[GrannySmith_G5]

2 of the pictures in the blog (hate that word) won't load. drats.

[aswitcher]

I just hope Apple get the quicktime copy of the keynote up fast given the blackout they are having. Guess they want to mac attendance at WWDC more attractive so no live feeds...

[arn]

Additional tidbit...

it seems Arlo Rose (Konfab author) is hinting that Apple is capable of creating a Konfabulator-alike (and isn't happy about it)

http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

[puckhead193]

Well that sucks if there's no broadcast...What am i gonna do tomarrow...sit and wounder what's happening?

[mj_1903]

Additional tidbit...

it seems Arlo Rose is hinting that Apple is capable of creating a Konfabulator-alike

http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

Ouch. Harsh words from Arlo.

[jtquick2001]

No webcast?? How dare you apple!!! :eek: :mad:

[nsb3000]

Photos of Apple's WWDC Tiger banners, however, were posted in one blog entry (http://www.livejournal.com/users/drengy/62054.html).


Just in case anyone has not checked out the Banners yet, (at the link in the quote) they are really cool.

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .

[Squareball]

So do we finally get SSL WebDav in finder in Tiger???

Windows and Linux's Nautilus and Konqueror have had this ability for years!!! i know I can use Goliath but it's such a pain! Please oh please... SSL WebDav in Tiger!!!

[cr2sh]

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Holy crap those are great!

[phillymjs]

Nice to see Apple taking more overt jabs at Microsoft and their "innovation."

~Philly

[nsb3000]

Surely this must mean a new(er) FileSystem, something with proper META-Data? otherwise that kinda feature would bring the system to it's Knees! :confused:

I had not even thought of this. Perhaps this is the result of the supposed "Apple Metadata project" ? That would be really cool..

10.4 is looking better and better as the hours go by...

Also, I am surprised Apple has not squashed the leaker yet. You would have thought they would have by now..

[dstorey]

Notice now its now called Tiger Mac OS X and not OS X Tiger...or has it always been written like that? I'm not sure i like the logo with the stripes behind the metal X, which i never really liked the shape of in panther...but I love the catch phrases..they're g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-reat...

[nsb3000]

Notice now its now called Tiger Mac OS X and not OS X Tiger...or has it always been written like that? I'm not sure i like the logo with the stripes behind the metal X, which i never really liked the shape of in panther...but I love the catch phrases..they're g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-reat...

What do you think this means? Maybe this is because there is not supposed to be another update for quite some time?

[nsb3000]

3) Search field in the top right of the Mac OS X menu bar which allows you to search files in Finder.



I am not sure what I think about this...I already have enough stuff in my Menu bar...

[Photorun]

You'd think Jobs/Apple would get that publicity is a GOOD thing, I hate their moronic secretive *****, one days I wished they'd get an effen clue!

[invaLPsion]

Please do a text feed. I can't bare to be left in the dark at this big of an event. :D :(

[Doctor Q]

My first reaction to the banners is negative. Sure, they make ME laugh, and probably the same for a lot of developers at the conference, but I don't think the "us vs. them" attitude will help Apple sway non-Mac or minds as well as an "all that and better" attitude would. I'm no marketing expert, and in this case they are preaching to the flock, but still...

[thedogcow]

Stop using slashdot trolls!

The GNAA is highly offensive.

I am modding MacRumors.com

SCORE: (-5,TROLL)

[Aoide]

The gentleman with the blog posted his pictures over to his .mac account. Seems his livejournal was being a little overloaded with people trying to look at his pictures.
http://homepage.mac.com/drengy/PhotoAlbum9.html

[Gherkin]

Can someone explain to me the concept of the Dashboard thing? I don't really understand how it would be useful, or how exactly it is brought up. Will it be like Expose where you can assign Dashboard to a screen corner, and when you move your mouse there, the screen dims and all those widgets come up? I really don't see how that is useful, for instance, the iTunes widget. Why not just click on iTunes and bring the program up to change the track? I don't see how the Dashboard way of doing it would be that much faster. And then there is that calendar widget. Is it really that time consuming to just click on iCal?

Maybe I'm not getting it. Can someone explain?

[themacman]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

[bidge]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

Microsoft's HQ

[invaLPsion]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

The city in Washington that is the home of Microsoft.

[arn]

Can someone explain to me the concept of the Dashboard thing? I don't really understand how it would be useful, or how exactly it is brought up. Will it be like Expose where you can assign Dashboard to a screen corner, and when you move your mouse there, the screen dims and all those widgets come up? I really don't see how that is useful, for instance, the iTunes widget. Why not just click on iTunes and bring the program up to change the track? I don't see how the Dashboard way of doing it would be that much faster. And then there is that calendar widget. Is it really that time consuming to just click on iCal?

Maybe I'm not getting it. Can someone explain?

I find the Dashboard concept very useful. I think people are focusing too much on the widget aspect.

In my mind... I frequently have to access certain applications from anywhere... including calculator, address book and stickies.

Let's say I'm on the phone and need to jot a quick note. hit F9 (or whatever) and everything fades except Stickies. Same with calculator, address book etc....

Seems handy to me.

arn

[AppleJustWorks]

Thanks! I was about to post and say that the images that images on his blog were not loading! :rolleyes:

[cube33@mac.com]

whoever broke this story better hope that there is another gay, black guy at Infinite Loop :D

[MoparShaha]

I'm with Doctor Q. I don't like Apple openly "talking smack" about anyone, including MS. Negativity is not good. And as much as it pains me to say this, it's probably not a good idea to piss off MS.

[sockeatingdryer]

The city where Microsoft's HQ is located.

That's rather dodgy, not having a webcast.

[themacman]

Thanks for clearing it up i dont like Windows to much and really dont care where microsoft has its headquarters, all i care about is apple in california

[thedogcow]

You people are foolish for using trolls as a source for Tiger rumors.

Of course there are going to be leaks right now. WWDC is tomorrow. They are giving the ****ing DVDs out to attendees.

[newamiga]

My first reaction to the banners is negative. Sure, they make ME laugh, and probably the same for a lot of developers at the conference, but I don't think the "us vs. them" attitude will help Apple sway non-Mac or minds as well as an "all that and better" attitude would. I'm no marketing expert, and in this case they are preaching to the flock, but still...

Apple sways minds with the Apple retail stores. They are a great buying experience. They need to take on MS head on and point out the shortcomings and delays of the Windowz platform. Apple needs to take them on and by showing developers they are ready to do that is a great first step. The other thing that is really cool is the fact that they are letting Java One attendees in to the floor at WWDC and vice versa. That means that potentially a couple thousand Java developers who are not Mac folks will see a strong statement from Apple. I think the OS is going to rock.

[nsb3000]

I find the Dashboard concept very useful. I think people are focusing too much on the widget aspect.

In my mind... I frequently have to access certain applications from anywhere... including calculator, address book and stickies.

Let's say I'm on the phone and need to jot a quick note. hit F9 (or whatever) and everything fades except Stickies. Same with calculator, address book etc....

Seems handy to me.

arn

I agree. This seems like it would be quite useful. I hate having to navigated all through my long list of app's every-time I need to bring up my calculator, for example..

[HenMaster6000]

Just a theory: What if apple released these screenshots, anonymously and purposely ugly, in order to bring down our hopes and disappoint us. Then they take them away, leading us to believe that these are in fact real screenshots. During the Keynote Steve tells us they were fake, or more likely, neglects to mention it at all knowing that when he showed us the real tiger on monday we'd be so shocked and relieved that we'd love it, even if it wasn't that great.

maybe
:confused:

[zon7]

Redmond we have a problem.
Someone caught us copying OS X code.

[bidge]

Yeah, i thought it was bad about showing the banners as well, but it is a Developers Conference and most of the people there are going to be supporting Tiger, and will be looking forward to it.

It costs a lot to go, so unless you really want to be there people won't be there. It's not aimed at consumers so it should be fine.

[Gherkin]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

Redmond is where Microsoft's main HQ is based.

[må¥å]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

Where MS (Microsoft) Office is located in the States.

[cube33@mac.com]

Dumb Question whats RedmondYou'll never guess this one, no way in a million years...

[Gherkin]

I agree. This seems like it would be quite useful. I hate having to navigated all through my long list of app's every-time I need to bring up my calculator, for example..

Why not just put the calculator in your dock or on the desktop?

I'm not saying Dashboard is a bad idea, I just don't fully understand it's function yet.

[themacman]

Does Anyone think it will be 3D or anything? I mean with the G5 and 64bit you could really do something amazing? Maybe a 64bit edition? Just an Idea

[dstorey]

Can someone explain to me the concept of the Dashboard thing? I don't really understand how it would be useful, or how exactly it is brought up. Will it be like Expose where you can assign Dashboard to a screen corner, and when you move your mouse there, the screen dims and all those widgets come up? I really don't see how that is useful, for instance, the iTunes widget. Why not just click on iTunes and bring the program up to change the track? I don't see how the Dashboard way of doing it would be that much faster. And then there is that calendar widget. Is it really that time consuming to just click on iCal?

Maybe I'm not getting it. Can someone explain?

My guess is it's a part of expose with another keyboart shortcut key, where you use it for small apps which you use semi regular and dont want to put on the dock, and don't want to take up screen space. For example i dont use the calc enough to put it on the dock but when i need it, it's a pain to go finder -> applications -> scrool down and find it. With this, i could just hit f7 or whatever and have the calc there, and it zooms away with expose when finished. This is also useful if you want to check the calender for the date or whatever, without having ical taking loads fo room and having to alt tab or move down to the dock to get to it. World clock is a nice use for it as having say london, paris, san francisco and tokyo clocks in the mnu bar would take up too much room. The itunes widget on there, i've no idea... The strange thing is I think the gagets look ok but not os x style at all...and that iTunes just doesnt look like an apple product...they all look more liek they just came out of that new pixar movie or something...

[five04]

this really makes me not like apple when they take business to a personal level. can they present their software without making fun of microsoft? people don't like arrogance and it seems like more and more apple is acting that way.

[applekid]

I find the Dashboard concept very useful. I think people are focusing too much on the widget aspect.

In my mind... I frequently have to access certain applications from anywhere... including calculator, address book and stickies.

Let's say I'm on the phone and need to jot a quick note. hit F9 (or whatever) and everything fades except Stickies. Same with calculator, address book etc....

Seems handy to me.

arn

I'm with you Arn. At first, I went along with what everybody said, then I thought, it could be useful. They remind of the Desk Accessories back in the OS 9 and under days. I find myself using the Calculator often and checking my addresses, date and times, etc. Everything is in the Dashboard just the way I want it! I could take out a lot of things from my Dock if the Dashboard indeed exists.

And to be honest, the looks aren't that bad. They seem and feel more like toys, and I think they are supposed to be on purpose. It adds to the fun factor of OS X, IMHO. As long as there are more than what is being shown off with those screenshots (and if those are indeed real), I'm in!

[windowsblowsass]

all right we need to start a 24 hour watch heres what we need to do


24 hour watch on apple.com (remember last year?)
wach all the rumor sites
and would somebody get a copy of canda time already
;)

[TWinbrook46636]

Regarding the pictures of the banners... I think the big question should be - are there any covered banners yet to be revealed?

[jessefoxperry]

haha gotta love Apple's sense of humor ;)

[nagromme]

We live in strange times. Those gadgets must be examples of what one COULD do, not Apple-provided ones that will make it to golden master... or I'm going crazy :) Feature-wise, most of the reported stuff sounds good--and optional if you don't like it. (Menu bar goodies are always optional.)

As for the banners... this is for a private developer conference, it's not marketing aimed at the public. And it's a point with real truth behind it--truth that developers may understand better than most.

"Tiger Mac OS X" is just weird :)

[LaMerVipere]

It's so weird to not have any hardware related rumours this close to WWDC! I don't mean the iMac rumours reported before, but like "Apple To Release __________ Tomorrow" sort of stuff.

Maybe no new hardware is going to be released :( Just Tiger :(

>>>PS: does anyone else think that the Tiger CD is the ugliest thing you've seen in a long time? It's just the panther 'X' over this cheap looking tiger printing i'd see in some cheap cheap furniture store. Blech, animal prints are just bad and that CD just looks BAD! They could have at least redesigned the 'X' and had just that be on the CD. Simplicity is beautiful! :rolleyes:

[må¥å]

this really makes me not like apple when they take business to a personal level. can they present their software without making fun of microsoft? people don't like arrogance and it seems like more and more apple is acting that way.


Don't like it go someplace else :p ;) :D

[ChrisH3677]

Nice to see Apple taking more overt jabs at Microsoft and their "innovation."

~Philly

oh yes - of course - Apple are innovators unlike MS. Try and tell Arlo that when the K clone Dashboard comes out tomorrow. Seems maybe Arlo should be saying "Apple, start your photocopiers"

[DesertDog]

Regarding the pictures of the banners... I think the big question should be - are there any covered banners yet to be revealed?

Yes, level 1 was still covered when I was there earlier today and level 3 can't be seen.

[Steven1621]

i really hope they come out with some nice new pretty desktop backgrounds.

[musicpyrite]

Does anybody know when Apple.com updates their site? I think I'm gonna do what I did back at the keynote speach back in January: Pull an all nighter, hitting the 'refresh' button in Safari every 30 seconds. :)


Does anybody know when Apple.com updates their site?

[nsb3000]

Why not just put the calculator in your dock or on the desktop?

I'm not saying Dashboard is a bad idea, I just don't fully understand it's function yet.

Because my dock is already filed with more important Apps...

[AppleJustWorks]

Does anybody know when Apple.com updates their site? I think I'm gonna do what I did back at the keynote speach back in January: Pull an all nighter, hitting the 'refresh' button in Safari every 30 seconds. :)


Does anybody know when Apple.com updates their site?


not sure, but I'm doing the same thing! :p

Apple Events are Such Fun!!!! :rolleyes:

[nsb3000]

Does anybody know when Apple.com updates their site? I think I'm gonna do what I did back at the keynote speach back in January: Pull an all nighter, hitting the 'refresh' button in Safari every 30 seconds. :)


Does anybody know when Apple.com updates their site?

They don't usually update the site until after the Keynote, or at least most of the way through it. If I were you, I would get some sleep...

[DrGruv1]

any live feed news?

[feeze]

Just a theory: What if apple released these screenshots, anonymously and purposely ugly, in order to bring down our hopes and disappoint us. Then they take them away, leading us to believe that these are in fact real screenshots. During the Keynote Steve tells us they were fake, or more likely, neglects to mention it at all knowing that when he showed us the real tiger on monday we'd be so shocked and relieved that we'd love it, even if it wasn't that great.

maybe
:confused:

hmm maybe so, but personally I think that would be a very, very stupid move. No company would deliberatley put there product in the negative spotlight, EVER. Anyway if Apple felt that they need to shatter our expectations in order to shcock us, it just proves that Tiger is a poor product that apple has little confidence in.

BUT, if Apple is able to generate a massive hype before their product is prevewed, and then BLOW OUR MINDS with an awesome product that is above all expectations, than that is a true sign of a superior product. Lets hope this is the case.

[iChan]

Just in case anyone has not checked out the Banners yet, (at the link in the quote) they are really cool.

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .

those banners are the coolest things i have ever seen... bar none.

[musicpyrite]

They don't usually update the site until after the Keynote, or at least most of the way through it. If I were you, I would get some sleep...

nahhh, if I get board, I'll just watch a movie and check back to Apple.com every half and hour or so, and once I see anything, I'll report it to MacRumors.

[iChan]

My first reaction to the banners is negative. Sure, they make ME laugh, and probably the same for a lot of developers at the conference, but I don't think the "us vs. them" attitude will help Apple sway non-Mac or minds as well as an "all that and better" attitude would. I'm no marketing expert, and in this case they are preaching to the flock, but still...

because the WWDC is not a public event, i presume that the headings in any of those banners will ever be used outside of the WWDC... But it is certainly a great way of building up mac-loyalty to the converted.

[eric_n_dfw]

this really makes me not like apple when they take business to a personal level. can they present their software without making fun of microsoft? people don't like arrogance and it seems like more and more apple is acting that way.So go buy Windows.

Jeesh - it's humor people!

Besides, as many people have pointed out - they are targeted to OS X developers. They're reassuring them that they are developing for a platform that has a future.

[sfwalter]

Does anybody know when Apple.com updates their site? I think I'm gonna do what I did back at the keynote speach back in January: Pull an all nighter, hitting the 'refresh' button in Safari every 30 seconds. :)


Does anybody know when Apple.com updates their site?

Get some sleep!!!It won't be update until atleast the keynote commences, which is in about 15 hours but whose counting

[LaMerVipere]

this really makes me not like apple when they take business to a personal level. can they present their software without making fun of microsoft? people don't like arrogance and it seems like more and more apple is acting that way.

I agree with you and all others who don't find the Anti-Microsoft, rather personal, kind of unprofessional wording on all those Tiger banners, at all appealing. Bad move IMHO. But I understand that others might find them entertaining, but as a business move? Err :rolleyes:

[feeze]

There one positive thing about the banners though, the fact that they have made those statements about Longhorn shows that Tiger is going to be an awesome, innovative product that will [be much better than] longhorn. Which is going to take more than a dashboard, gadgets and a search bar.

Lets hope they effectively use metadata and bury WinFS (or whatever it is)

[whooleytoo]

1) Smart Folders in Finder - these virtual folders allow you save specific search criteria for files and present matching files. Similar to iTunes' Smart Playlists.

A feature from Copland (MacOS 8 - Take I). It seems Microsoft's a lot quicker/better at copying from Apple than Apple is... ;)

[AppleMatt]

Does anyone remember ages ago when Bill Gates came on video with Steve Jobs and the crowd booed? Jobs halted them and said something like "we have to drop this notion that for Apple to win Microsoft has to loose".

Also, does anyone remember how angry Steve was when ATi blundered and also when that digital camera (Canon?) didn't work on stage?

I think that Microsoft have done something to annoy him and this is his classic way of not going too far, but making the people it's directed at well aware, i.e., what he's saying is quite cutting and he doesn't seem to mind if it costs Apple a bit (they stopped shipping ATi cards on high-end machines for quite some time iirc for example).

Why he's angry I don't know, but he was pretty curt with the Office 2004 demo, whizzing through the slides and slightly cutting off the rep. Also his tone dropped quite a lot while talking about it.

Just a theory.
AppleMatt

[må¥å]

I agree with you and all others who don't find the Anti-Microsoft, rather personal, kind of unprofessional wording on all those Tiger banners, at all appealing. Bad move IMHO. But I understand that others might find them entertaining, but as a business move? Err :rolleyes:

Like it or not its advertising companies insult and compare products and services.

However in this case if you know the HISTORY behind both companies you will get the humour.

Its also states that longhorn in due 2006(07) and Tiger is due 2004(05), it shows that the Mac OS is evolving faster while it will take teh competition a long time to copy what is being done today. :D

[TWinbrook46636]

Yes, level 1 was still covered when I was there earlier today and level 3 can't be seen.

Were there any vertical banners like the Tiger ones pictured in this thread that might indicate a picture of new hardware or just the smaller horizontal ones indicating text/quotes only? Looks like we may get some surprises. Whether they are software or hardware remains to be seen.

[må¥å]

Does anyone remember ages ago when Bill Gates came on video with Steve Jobs and the crowd booed? Jobs halted them and said something like "we have to drop this notion that for Apple to win Microsoft has to loose".

Also, does anyone remember how angry Steve was when ATi blundered and also when that digital camera (Canon?) didn't work on stage?

I think that Microsoft have done something to annoy him and this is his classic way of not going too far, but making the people it's directed at well aware, i.e., what he's saying is quite cutting and he doesn't seem to mind if it costs Apple a bit (they stopped shipping ATi cards on high-end machines for quite some time iirc for example).

Why he's angry I don't know, but he was pretty curt with the Office 2004 demo, whizzing through the slides and slightly cutting off the rep. Also his tone dropped quite a lot while talking about it.

Just a theory.
AppleMatt


maybe just maybe Apple has the NEW Apple OFFICE.app ;) that could be the reason behind all this bashing on the banners :eek:

[Sogo]

Is it me or does anyone else want those as posters? :D

[stoid]

Is it me or does anyone else want those as posters? :D

I want the whole banner!

[CubaTBird]

there will be a webcast you guys, it'll just be put up later tomorrow... is that too much of an ordeal? sheesh... :p

[MacSlut]

I don't get the "Introducing Longhorn" banner. I'm running 10.3 (Panther), why would I want to downgrade to Longhorn?

For a long time now one of the things I thought would be really cool is if Steve could get up on stage and demo everything on OS X that Longhorn "promises". Just go down the check list, but then show all the other features in OS X missing in Longhorn. That would rock.

[DGFan]

Why not just put the calculator in your dock or on the desktop?

I'm not saying Dashboard is a bad idea, I just don't fully understand it's function yet.

Because if you did that it wouldn't be red. I mean, DUH!
:)

edit: ok the calendar's red :eek: but you get the idea

[sorryiwasdreami]

What a slap in the face! I was blown away when I first saw "Introducing Longhorn" with the big metallic X and orange and black tiger stripes in the background.

The banners have a level of shock value which certainly will put people on edge tomorrow, not to mention in the mood to bite. (Bite M$ that is)

I agree with the few posters viewing them as negative (negativity affixed to any mentality in general is unhealthy, in this writer's opinion) but I'm not too prudent to absorb Apple's sarcastic humor on these banners.

I don't think anyone still reading these forums can possibly be that sensitive, albeit the sarcasm which whips through the MacRumors community practically by the minute.

With that said, I can certainly appreciate the competitive nature Apple is bringing to WWDC2004. Like someone pointed out earlier, this spirit will propel we Mac aficionados to tighter knit ourselves and further empower us in the platform "battle" for the coming months.

I hope someone or a group of people can make the live text feed happen tomorrow.

Peace!

:)

[DGFan]

this really makes me not like apple when they take business to a personal level. can they present their software without making fun of microsoft? people don't like arrogance and it seems like more and more apple is acting that way.

One might also ask if Microsoft could present their software without lying about their competitors.

The Godfather aside, business is always personal

[aswitcher]

Since they aren't going to broadcast chances are that the Apple sites will update and let us know what goodies have come out before we get good images from anywhere else.

Damn, 3am Sydney time...

[xtekdiver]

Given these posters mocking Redmond, does this mean that the rumor about Xcode supporting .Net in Tiger will not be happening? I'm not sure anyone with a choice would develop using that platform, but there are a lot of developers that must and selling them Powerbooks loaded with OS X to do it would be a good thing.

[joeboy_45101]

Just in case anyone has not checked out the Banners yet, (at the link in the quote) they are really cool.

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .

You know these posters could hint at something very shocking. I do believe that Apple has mentioned in the past that they have a "backup" version of Mac OS X running on the x86 platform. Could "Tiger" run on my PC? If true this will be hotter than Satan's Balls in July. Think of it, Apple hasn't been allowing third party Mac hardware for a long time. Given all the grief it is to use Windows, this could be the answer.

Something else though, "Tiger" might be able to run Windows Apps natively and so eliminating the need for Virtual PC. That definitely would give Redmond a problem. :)

[xtekdiver]

You know these posters could hint at something very shocking. I do believe that Apple has mentioned in the past that they have a "backup" version of Mac OS X running on the x86 platform. Could "Tiger" run on my PC? If true this will be hotter than Satan's Balls in July. Think of it, Apple hasn't been allowing third party Mac hardware for a long time. Given all the grief it is to use Windows, this could be the answer.

Something else though, "Tiger" might be able to run Windows Apps natively and so eliminating the need for Virtual PC. That definitely would give Redmond a problem. :)

Now that is a very interesting perspective. Could it be? :eek:

[GrannySmith_G5]

You know these posters could hint at something very shocking. I do believe that Apple has mentioned in the past that they have a "backup" version of Mac OS X running on the x86 platform. Could "Tiger" run on my PC? If true this will be hotter than Satan's Balls in July. Think of it, Apple hasn't been allowing third party Mac hardware for a long time. Given all the grief it is to use Windows, this could be the answer.

Something else though, "Tiger" might be able to run Windows Apps natively and so eliminating the need for Virtual PC. That definitely would give Redmond a problem. :)

easy there cheech. Take a few hits, you don't need to smoke the whole thing.

[newamiga]

So does that mean that Apple just missed them their, or their C&D order only applies to Macrumors?

[macsrus]

I agree. This seems like it would be quite useful. I hate having to navigated all through my long list of app's every-time I need to bring up my calculator, for example..

Why navigate at all just get Launchbar

Type in the first few letters of your app and it shows up in list....
My favorite OS X utility

[uv23]

Given these posters mocking Redmond, does this mean that the rumor about Xcode supporting .Net in Tiger will not be happening? I'm not sure anyone with a choice would develop using that platform, but there are a lot of developers that must and selling them Powerbooks loaded with OS X to do it would be a good thing.Actually .net is a fantastic development infrastructure. I use a mac (12" powerbook) almost exclusively for my personal business but my day job is as a .net web developer, using C#. I've used a lot of other technoligies throughout my career and would never go back to anything else. I was very intrigued when I heard of the possibility of .net on OSX.

[AppleJustWorks]

The order status page is down.......Just tellin' y'all!

[autrefois]

So does that mean that Apple just missed them their, or their C&D order only applies to Macrumors?

Good question. I was wondering more or less the same thing in a post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=906064&postcount=203) in another thread, but no one's answered yet.

I assume only Arn or an administrator would know for sure how things like that work, but fortunately they've been busy giving us last-minute updates. :)

[windowsblowsass]

The order status page is down.......Just tellin' y'all!
OMG HOLY CRAP:eek: THis MEANS QUAD PROCESSORS G7s RUNNInG AT 9 GHz

joking

[Manuel Moreno]

Could "Tiger" run on my PC? If true this will be hotter than Satan's Balls in July.

maybe this explain the "tiger" before Mac OS X and the anti microsoft words.
tiger features aren't totally new, and apple sarcastic humor is abusive considering the new technology being developed by ms.

tomorrow is the day of OS X on x86 my friends :D

[macsrus]

maybe this explain the "tiger" before Mac OS X and the anti microsoft words.
tiger features aren't totally new, and apple sarcastic humor is abusive considering the new technology being developed by ms.

tomorrow is the day of OS X on x86 my friends :D

Put the crack pipe down...... ;)

[må¥å]

OMG HOLY CRAP:eek: THis MEANS QUAD PROCESSORS G7s RUNNInG AT 9 GHz

joking


You serious and what part are you joking about the Quad, G7, or the 9GHz ;) :D

[autrefois]

OMG HOLY CRAP:eek: THis MEANS QUAD PROCESSORS G7s RUNNInG AT 9 GHz

joking

Nope — OCTO-processor G10s at 20 GHz. To cool it, they needed a cooling system the size of a refrigerator, so the new G10 will not only run Tiger but it can make ice, too!

[må¥å]

Nope — OCTO-processor G10s at 20 GHz. To cool it, they needed a cooling system the size of a refrigerator, so the new G10 will not only run Tiger but it can make ice, too!

I thought those were the hardware requirement for Longhorn ;) :D

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....It always amazes me to read these threads on the day before a Steve-note - people come out with the wildest, most unrealistic ideas and whip themselves into a frenzy...then tomorrow they'll be bitching about how lame Apple is because the new iMac didn't come out, or was not at 5 Ghz, or only comes with ...yada yada yada........oh yada!

[macsrus]

Nope — OCTO-processor G10s at 20 GHz. To cool it, they needed a cooling system the size of a refrigerator, so the new G10 will not only run Tiger but it can make ice, too!

Nope it means Macs finally get a REAL processor.....

a 386

hehe

[pdxdeano]

Tiger OS X
for
MAC
or
Windows
:)

[AppleJustWorks]

I went to watch WWDC 03 with my friend(Mac Party!) and the link is messed up...Could this be them updating it to 04?

Check it out

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/

[macsrus]

Tiger OS X
for
MAC
or
Windows
:)


Wont ever happen.......

Would be great though......

Apple would make more money selling OS on x86 than they make off all there other products

[RogerQ]

Surely this must mean a new(er) FileSystem, something with proper META-Data? otherwise that kinda feature would bring the system to it's Knees! :confused:

Not only that, it means a folder no longer corresponds to a directory or a location on disk. It also means that a file can live in more than one folder. This pretty much destroys the last vestiges of the spatial Finder, whose destruction began with OS X's multiple Finder windows of the same folder and accelerated with the addition of the sidebar.

This is a Good Thing. Spatial Finder nice for small disk, BAAAD for 100GB+

The new version of Filemaker has a completely revamped database engine; it also supports the linking of almost any kind of file into a container. One so inclined could easily create a Finder repleacement with all sorts of cool "metadata-ish" features rather easily. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is leveraging this tech for Tiger. Supposing they had...

When you save a file in Tiger and pick a folder to place it in, the file isn't actually saved in the folder. Rather, the folder's name (and the names of any parent folders) are added as keywords attached to the file.

Clicking on a folder in the Finder doesn't actually open the folder, but rather performs a keyword search with that folder's name, and presents the results in a Finder window. In addition, if 2 or more of the found files contain the same keyword, a folder labelled with that keyword is presented. Clicking on this folder will perform a search with that folder's name as a subset of the previously found set, and display those files in a window.

With this system, business types don't have to decide whether they should organize their folders by project with subfolders for budget, schedule, and contracts, or by budget with a subfolder for each project, etc. Subfolders are dynamically created as you browse, in the order that you browse. So if you need to grab all the budgets, you open the budgets folder; if you want to go by project, you open the projects folder first (this also makes organizing certain photo collections easier--you know who you are).

Organizing the interface for the top level folders is the tricky part, since essentially, all folders could be top-level. This is where Apple's expertise will be needed. Maybe each Finder window will be able to have unique sidebar contents; perhaps you can select from multiple sidebar collections from a pulldown. There are a lot of possibilites.

Whether Tiger makes the leap to this sort of interface in one jump (how far do tigers jump?), or whether it sticks with the most basic version of "Smart Folders" is up in the air.

But I'll bet Steve wants Apple to be the one that comes up with the GUI that finally puts the 1984 desktop to bed.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

[lefty111]

How about Tiger for < $129? Nah, I must be dreaming.

[nsb3000]

Something else though, "Tiger" might be able to run Windows Apps natively and so eliminating the need for Virtual PC. That definitely would give Redmond a problem. :)

This might also lead to more developers to stop developing native os x Apps..not a good thing.

[xtbfx]

I don't get the "Introducing Longhorn" banner. I'm running 10.3 (Panther), why would I want to downgrade to Longhorn?

Ok, Introducing Longhorn means, when Longhorn does come out, M$ will have copied all the ideas from Tiger and therefore making Tiger look like Longhorn.

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

[xtekdiver]

Actually .net is a fantastic development infrastructure. I use a mac (12" powerbook) almost exclusively for my personal business but my day job is as a .net web developer, using C#. I've used a lot of other technoligies throughout my career and would never go back to anything else. I was very intrigued when I heard of the possibility of .net on OSX.

I too used .Net and C# for web development, but since I make the decisions concerning development environments, I have switched to PHP and MySQL so I could develop on my Powerbook. ;) I can't say enough about this OS; I evaluated OS X 8 months ago and switched 2 months later and haven't looked back. :)

[Spades]

Actually .net is a fantastic development infrastructure. I use a mac (12" powerbook) almost exclusively for my personal business but my day job is as a .net web developer, using C#. I've used a lot of other technoligies throughout my career and would never go back to anything else. I was very intrigued when I heard of the possibility of .net on OSX.

http://www.go-mono.com/

I haven't tried it on OS X since beta 1 though, and that version was having odd problems with the GAC. I have beta 3 installed on a Linux system. I haven't done much with it, but so far so good. And I see the release candidate came out two days ago...

If Apple is going to ship a .NET-compatible framework, my guess is this is it. If Mono hits 1.0 in time (and with the release candidate out already, I bet they will), it might very well be in Tiger. Monkeys and Tigers...interesting.

My preference is still for the snake (http://python.org/). :D

[pdxdeano]

I went to watch WWDC 03 with my friend(Mac Party!) and the link is messed up...Could this be them updating it to 04?

Check it out

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/

you're right. the link is mia. I just watched that earlier today.

[må¥å]

Ok, Introducing Longhorn means, when Longhorn does come out, M$ will have copied all the ideas from Tiger and therefore making Tiger look like Longhorn.

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

don't you mean Longhorn looking like Tiger :)

[cr2sh]

Wont ever happen.......

Indeed. If apple did introduce a x86 OS and used banners "Introducing Longhorn" - MS Legal would have a field day.

[xtekdiver]

easy there cheech. Take a few hits, you don't need to smoke the whole thing.

Pass that blunt this way....man this is good stuff :cool:

[joeboy_45101]

maybe this explain the "tiger" before Mac OS X and the anti microsoft words.
tiger features aren't totally new, and apple sarcastic humor is abusive considering the new technology being developed by ms.

tomorrow is the day of OS X on x86 my friends :D

You know what I've said could explain why the photos on ThinkSecret, specifically the "System Profiler" don't show the type of processor. ;)

[nsb3000]

Not only that, it means a folder no longer corresponds to a directory or a location on disk. It also means that a file can live in more than one folder. This pretty much destroys the last vestiges of the spatial Finder, whose destruction began with OS X's multiple Finder windows of the same folder and accelerated with the addition of the sidebar.

This is a Good Thing. Spatial Finder nice for small disk, BAAAD for 100GB+



While there is some really cool stuff you can do with Database based file systems, I don't think you can get rid of the Spatial finder, at least not yet. It would confuse million of users who had spent upwards of 20 years associating files and folders with hard coded location that the created. And more importantly, there is no reason why a Spatial interface can't be combined with a database driven "smart" interface that you discuss. They are not mutely exclusive.

I have said it before, and I will say it again. I recommend that everybody take a look at John Siracusa's article ("http://arstechnica.com/paedia/f/finder/finder-1.html) on this topic. He has thought about this way more than most of us have, and offers some useful insights.

[Phobophobia]

Ok, Introducing Longhorn means, when Longhorn does come out, M$ will have copied all the ideas from Tiger and therefore making Tiger look like Longhorn.

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

Yes, whenever people even MENTION the possibility that Apple would port osx to x86 I cringe at the thought of how stupid people have gotten.

Just because you(People mentioning the possibilty) know how to say "market share" doesn't mean you know anything about business. Heck, you would only need to know next to nothing to realize this stuff, people.

[musicpyrite]

Duff-Man says....It always amazes me to read these threads on the day before a Steve-note - people come out with the wildest, most unrealistic ideas and whip themselves into a frenzy...then tomorrow they'll be bitching about how lame Apple is because the new iMac didn't come out, or was not at 5 Ghz, or only comes with ...yada yada yada........oh yada!


aahhhh! Were in real troubel when Duff-Man ends his post with......oh yada! and not.....oh yeah!


I have mixed feelings about Tiger running on x86... :o :( :mad: :confused: :eek: :D ;) :p :)

[coolfactor]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

Where Microsoft is based... Redmond, Washington.

[el_aarono]

maybe just maybe Apple has the NEW Apple OFFICE.app ;) that could be the reason behind all this bashing on the banners :eek:


I can kind of see this happening, but if Apple releases an amazing Office replacement suite then I'm sure MS would simply stop developing for the Mac and that could be bad.

But here is a thought: what if Apple releases this Office replacement and makes it Mac and PC compatible...? With Apple's finesse and ability to just work how you expect it will an Office replacement could really make Redmond worry. :)

Just conjecture though....

-A

[cr2sh]

Where Microsoft is based... Redmond, Washington.

Wow, how many times is this question going to get answered? You know... it is okay to read the whole thread before posting?

[Blaaze]

I remember a while back an author at Ars Technica critically analyzed the current Finder, and in a suggestion for future features, I remember he suggested "live folders" which would not contain actual files, but sort of like shortcut representations of the files. Seems like Apple might have taken his suggestion. But I'm sure with the verge of meta data, and meta data about meta data, this was bound to happen eventually.

[må¥å]

Wow, how many times is this question going to get answered? You know... it is okay to read the whole thread before posting?


Its where MicroStuff is located ;)

I just had to I can't help myself :)

[xtbfx]

don't you mean Longhorn looking like Tiger :)

No, M$ will make it look like they've had whatever technology in 'development' for years before Apple, therefore convincing their blind sheep that Tiger is just a rip off of Longhorn.

[må¥å]

I can kind of see this happening, but if Apple releases an amazing Office replacement suite then I'm sure MS would simply stop developing for the Mac and that could be bad.

But here is a thought: what if Apple releases this Office replacement and makes it Mac and PC compatible...? With Apple's finesse and ability to just work how you expect it will an Office replacement could really make Redmond worry. :)

Just conjecture though....

-A

I think it just might be maybe not tomorrow however in the near future considering the whole Mac + PC advertising for some of the products.

And once a solution is found for some of the other MS apps like Access then PC will only look attractive to gamers.

[Sogo]

Do you think maybe the posters are titled like that because Tiger will be the last update before Longhorn?

[joeboy_45101]

Just because you(People mentioning the possibilty) know how to say "market share" doesn't mean you know anything about business. Heck, you would only need to know next to nothing to realize this stuff, people.

I've never claimed to be an economist, but I do know one thing: You cannot win by always being on the defensive, you must be on the offensive. I more than anybody want Apple to be on the offensive. These banners, if they actually say those thing 'cause I know how EASY it would be to Photoshop it, could be the beginning of a major Apple offensive on MS. :)

[coolfactor]

Wow, how many times is this question going to get answered? You know... it is okay to read the whole thread before posting?

Dude, do you realize the thread went from 2 pages to 5 pages in the time I made that posting? Take a pill.

[windowsblowsass]

I can kind of see this happening, but if Apple releases an amazing Office replacement suite then I'm sure MS would simply stop developing for the Mac and that could be bad.

But here is a thought: what if Apple releases this Office replacement and makes it Mac and PC compatible...? With Apple's finesse and ability to just work how you expect it will an Office replacement could really make Redmond worry. :)

Just conjecture though....

-A

no ms CNAT stop developing office for mac they cant legally they signed an aggeement with apple in the 80s that let them copy mac os(to an etent) but they had to always develop for mac

[nagromme]

I hate to rain on any parades, but with the keynote not being broadcast, this seems like a SMALL event, meant for DEVELOPERS. We should expect nothing more. Hardware is possible, it's happened before, but that's NOT what WWDC exists for.

And Tiger is NOT being introduced Monday. It's being announced and previewed. A preview means it is incomplete, a work in progress, and may even have some future features intentionally left out by Apple--or it may have features that later get removed! And it is PRIOR to widespread feedback.

Think of Monday as a sneak peek at CERTAIN details a future OS--NOT as a complete picture of anything!

[Abstract]

Tiger OS X
for
MAC
or
Windows
:)

So I guess Apple will become a software only company, since there are lots of people who say that OSX is the reason to buy Apple and pay the premium for hardware. :rolleyes:

[macsrus]

I've never claimed to be an economist, but I do know one thing: You cannot win by always being on the defensive, you must be on the offensive. I more than anybody want Apple to be on the offensive. These banners, if they actually say those thing 'cause I know how EASY it would be to Photoshop it, could be the beginning of a major Apple offensive on MS. :)


Microsoft laughs at any kind of offensive posed by Apple....

Apple has less than 3 percent of the market share for desktop computers...
And they are NOT increasing that market share....
They have been at 3 percent for 10 years....

While I am a Mac user myself .... I am not delusional....

Another thing.... that many might find suprising....
There is a growing percentage of MAC users running linux....
Heck Most of the MAC users I know run yellow dog linux....
I happen to use both OSX and yellow dog myself

[JGowan]

this really makes me not like apple when they take business to a personal level. can they present their software without making fun of microsoft? people don't like arrogance and it seems like more and more apple is acting that way.Well, Apple probably didn't like it every since the beginning when MS has been copying their OS. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" goes out the window when the copier is crushing you in business.

[ccuilla]

1) Smart Folders in Finder - these virtual folders allow you save specific search criteria for files and present matching files. Similar to iTunes' Smart Playlists.

2) Mail.app - Smart folders, account specific signatures, and a connection doctor.


Neither of these surprise me. In fact I quite expected them. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see a "metal Mail" as has been sometimes rumored. This would bring Mail into (UI) alignment with iCal, AddressBook, iTunes, iPhoto, Safari and Finder. It would also lend even more credibility to my theory about "specialized Finders" (e.g., iTunes, iPhoto, etc.)

[ChrisH3677]

"Introducing Longhorn" is simply saying that Tiger has now, 2004, what MS aren't going to have until 2007. It's like saying "Introducing the future... today" Which as another poster said, will hopefully include a meta-data based file management system. A WinFS killer 3 years before WinFS even gets here! :D

[xtbfx]

Apple has less than 3 percent of the market share for desktop computers...
And they are NOT increasing that market share....
They have been at 3 percent for 10 years....

I have always wanted to see HARD PROOF of this. Everywhere you look it's a different figure. I saw this year it was up even as high as 5-10%.

No one knows how much percentage of the market Apple holds. I HATE that people keep using this to argue points. Who cares?

[macsrus]

Well, Apple probably didn't like it every since the beginning when MS has been copying their OS. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" goes out the window when the copier is crushing you in business.

Actually Microsoft hasnt been copying MAC OS since they released ...Windows 3.1
Lets face it MAC OS all the way thru 9 looked like an old crappy verion of Windows 3.1

Win95, 98, 2000 all were more functional and better looking than anything found on the MAC ....until OS X.....

now things have changed....
And OS X is great!!!!
IT is nice that Apple finally has an OS worth copying again

[toughboy]

Microsoft laughs at any kind of offensive posed by Apple....

Apple has less than 3 percent of the market share for desktop computers...
And they are NOT increasing that market share....
They have been at 3 percent for 10 years....

While I am a Mac user myself .... I am not delusional....

Another thing.... that many might find suprising....
There is a growing percentage of MAC users running linux....
Heck Most of the MAC users I know run yellow dog linux....
I happen to use both OSX and yellow dog myself

F U, you little agent smith. :mad:

[MhzDoesMatter]

no ms CNAT stop developing office for mac they cant legally they signed an aggeement with apple in the 80s that let them copy mac os(to an etent) but they had to always develop for mac

That agreement has since expired.

Microsoft laughs at any kind of offensive posed by Apple....

Apple has less than 3 percent of the market share for desktop computers...
And they are NOT increasing that market share....
They have been at 3 percent for 10 years....


How hard do you think Microsoft is laughing about iPod, iTunes, and WMA conversion?


There is a growing percentage of MAC users running linux....
Heck Most of the MAC users I know run yellow dog linux....

Let's suspend our disbelief that you know enough mac users to provide a remotely relevant or viable sampling for a moment and consider the fact that Apple probably couldn't care less about what you and others do with their Mac's after they've been purchased as they don't have to refund a bit of your money for removing their OS.

-hertz

[morkintosh]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

you're kidding me right? Redmond Washington, where the corporate headquaters of Microsoft is ...

[asan102]

Just a theory: What if apple released these screenshots, anonymously and purposely ugly, in order to bring down our hopes and disappoint us. Then they take them away, leading us to believe that these are in fact real screenshots. During the Keynote Steve tells us they were fake, or more likely, neglects to mention it at all knowing that when he showed us the real tiger on monday we'd be so shocked and relieved that we'd love it, even if it wasn't that great.

maybe
:confused:
Would apple really work through an orginisation designed specifically to wreck online forums called the "Gay ****** Association of America"?

[~Shard~]

I hate to rain on any parades, but with the keynote not being broadcast, this seems like a SMALL event, meant for DEVELOPERS. We should expect nothing more. Hardware is possible, it's happened before, but that's NOT what WWDC exists for.

Actually, if I remember correctly, the WWDC '03 keynote was not broadcast live either (the stream was available only after the event), and that's when Jobs introduced the G5 PowerMacs, so I wouldn't put too much weight in your theory. I agree it may not be exactly what WWDC exists for, but look what happened last year...

[newamiga]

Some people offended by Apple taking the offensive should harken back a few years ago to one of the coolest campaigns ever by a Mac dealer ,.. and it wasn't Apple. Power Computing took on the competition head on and it worked well. :cool:http://sluggo.jpg

[morkintosh]

That means that potentially a couple thousand Java developers who are not Mac folks will see a strong statement from Apple. I think the OS is going to rock.

As a J2EE application architect I think that this is the BEST possible thing to come from WWDC next week. With people like Gosling already using a mac, Apple has a real chance to take a big bite out of the application development market if they play their cards right. I've been using apple for a year and a half for all my dev work and haven't ever been happier with a platform.

[five04]

it seems i'm outnumbered with my idea that apple is too personal against microsoft and that they seem a bit arrogant more so now than in the past. i love apple products and have for years, but i'm just responding to how i feel about this. obviously if apple comes up with a good idea microsoft will incorporate it into their own operating systems. get this folks, it's business and microsoft wants to make money. you will not be able to stop that. i think it's very easy to make a comparison about what apple has and microsoft does not, but cracking jokes on a company or a product that isn't due out until 2006 isn't the best way to bolster support for your operating system or products. apple isn't without its faults either. why is it that when i resize a window it doesn't move in real time? windows has been able to do that for as long as i can remember. maybe apple is lagging behind in that field. what about the fast user switching? xp had that before panther. is apple copying microsoft? this goes both ways.

[newamiga]

Actually, if I remember correctly, the WWDC '03 keynote was not broadcast live either (the stream was available only after the event), and that's when Jobs introduced the G5 PowerMacs, so I wouldn't put too much weight in your theory. I agree it may not be exactly what WWDC exists for, but look what happened last year...
I agree, I was at WWDC last year and the excitement was greater than several MWSF keynotes I have been to. I don't think the delay in the stream portends anything.

[~Shard~]

For some confirmed releases at WWDC please refer to post #324 in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=76889&page=13&pp=25)

It doesn't get any more reliable than our old friend NeatGekko... :rolleyes: :cool:

[cr2sh]

Microsoft laughs at any kind of offensive posed by Apple....

I'm guessing that does not include the offensive posed by Apple on the music market. You don't have to be delusional to realize Apple is gaining young fans thru ipod and itunes. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Apple.

Dude, do you realize the thread went from 2 pages to 5 pages in the time I made that posting? Take a pill.

Dumb Question whats Redmond

Where Microsoft is based... Redmond, Washington.

It took you 2 hours to type that one sentence?

There were many others (6 or so) who failed to do the same thing. I apologize for singling you out. It's not my responisbility and it was really more of a joke... but again, sorry.

Hey everyone! I am back! New iPods tomorrow! Watch for em! The scroll wheel will be like the iPod minis, they are sweet looking! And video out! Its nice! See them soon! Cheers

Wow.. he's going for broke this time isn't he? :)

[Sayer]

I don't really know what the deal with Arlo Rose is all about. He created an original implementation of an old idea, he did not come up with the entire concept hisself.

Apple actually had essentially the same thing as Konfabulator (small, minimal applets) called Desk Accessories. This was back before Multifinder and the ability running more than one app at a time on the Mac. You could run these mini apps on top of whatever single program you were using at the time.

The Calculator was a DA at first, there were Address Books and even Paint Applications plus tons of games. There was a single app to "install" them into the OS called Font/DA Mover.

So to claim that he came up with the entire concept is flat out wrong, Apple did and it's theirs to expand on. Just as Watson built on what Sherlock was doing going way back to Mac OS 9 and then Apple *expanded* the Sherlock concept in the next logical step. It wasn't as if Watson appeared out of the blue and then Apple came out with the current incarnation of Sherlock.

All Konfabulator does is reduce the barrier of entry to creating such widgets to using scripting (and a runtime with extensive "hooks" to get at various bits of info from the OS itself) instead of compiled code.

[titaniumducky]

I had not even thought of this. Perhaps this is the result of the supposed "Apple Metadata project" ? That would be really cool..

10.4 is looking better and better as the hours go by...

Also, I am surprised Apple has not squashed the leaker yet. You would have thought they would have by now..

Apple itself is often times the leaker. They're trying to generate public interest. In past years, they've given away too much; this year, I think they got it right.

[toughboy]

Actually Microsoft hasnt been copying MAC OS since they released ...Windows 3.1
Lets face it MAC OS all the way thru 9 looked like an old crappy verion of Windows 3.1

Win95, 98, 2000 all were more functional and better looking than anything found on the MAC ....until OS X.....

now things have changed....
And OS X is great!!!!
IT is nice that Apple finally has an OS worth copying again

Win 95 was crashing frequently and need reinstallation once in every two months.. 98 was a crappy copy of 95, but a little better designed (until 98SE, which SE needed reinstallation once in three months :D ) NT4.0 and 2000 never worked on my Pentium 150, too slow to endure while my older brother was using his Power MAC 9500 happily ever after, even with Mac OS8 when it was released in 1997 and even with Mac OS 9 in 99..

no one claim me that windoze were better in anyhow..

on the other hand everyone copied Mac, since AppleI&II back in 70s till iMac and others..

[titaniumducky]

I am not sure what I think about this...I already have enough stuff in my Menu bar...

Then just remove it with a command-drag.

[morkintosh]

Could "Tiger" run on my PC? If true this will be hotter than Satan's Balls in July. Think of it, Apple hasn't been allowing third party Mac hardware for a long time. Given all the grief it is to use Windows, this could be the answer.

not really; I dislike windows as much as the next guy, but I do have to admit that given the amount of hardware that it does have to support I am sometimes impressed. Your point about apple and 3rd party hardware developers negates the entire argument ... to make OS X work with all of the various hardware in the PC would be a monolithic effort; one not worth the while for a company that has for so long not supported such hardware.

[titaniumducky]

Can someone explain to me the concept of the Dashboard thing? I don't really understand how it would be useful, or how exactly it is brought up. Will it be like Expose where you can assign Dashboard to a screen corner, and when you move your mouse there, the screen dims and all those widgets come up? I really don't see how that is useful, for instance, the iTunes widget. Why not just click on iTunes and bring the program up to change the track? I don't see how the Dashboard way of doing it would be that much faster. And then there is that calendar widget. Is it really that time consuming to just click on iCal?

Maybe I'm not getting it. Can someone explain?

It's part of Expose - a fourth function. It's not the fact that it's faster - it's more convenient. Think of it this way:

There is one menu pane. It allows you to control/open iTunes, iChat, Mail, iCal, etc. You have the power to interact with ANYTHING from right there (assuming it's expandable by user/3rd party).

[titaniumducky]

Dumb Question whats Redmond

MS's secret underground labs where the perform cruel tests which involve murder and torture. There's lots of evil scientists too. Some people like to call it "the headquarters." The scientists are codenamed "programmers" and their technicians "employees." ;) :D

[soosy]

I find the Dashboard concept very useful. I think people are focusing too much on the widget aspect.

In my mind... I frequently have to access certain applications from anywhere... including calculator, address book and stickies.

Let's say I'm on the phone and need to jot a quick note. hit F9 (or whatever) and everything fades except Stickies. Same with calculator, address book etc....

Seems handy to me.

arn

I agree those "Desktop Accessory" apps could use quicker/easier access, I'm not sure I like the whole widget/konfab ripoff idea though. Why not give me quick access to the calculator app rather than duplicate it as a widget? Maybe the dashboard will incorporate existing apps along with widgets... seems kinda dumb to make redudant widgets.

[~Shard~]

The concept of Tiger being able to run on a PC is intriguing, and has significant benefits and detriments the way I see it. Many of them have already been discussed in this thread, so I won't repeat them, but in general, if Apple did this, they would lose a lot of control (especially quality control) by allowing the OS to be used on PCs. They would have to make it compatible with all sorts of PC configurations, drivers, etc., and this could (and invariabaly would) lead to an unstable OS and a poor image for Apple. In the end, I would see this as a bad move by Apple. Yet they've moved into the PC world with the iPod, iTunes/iTMS, Airport Express, etc., so who knows...

Regardless, how damn cool would it be for Apple to release "Longhorn" (aka Tiger) 2 years (or whatever it is) before Microsoft does? Apple markets Tiger as everything Longhorn will be and better, except they've beaten Microsoft to the punch and beaten them at their own game - so here ya go, use Tiger instead! There's something very cool and bastardly about that, I like it... :cool:

[TednDi]

You know these posters could hint at something very shocking. I do believe that Apple has mentioned in the past that they have a "backup" version of Mac OS X running on the x86 platform. Could "Tiger" run on my PC? If true this will be hotter than Satan's Balls in July. Think of it, Apple hasn't been allowing third party Mac hardware for a long time. Given all the grief it is to use Windows, this could be the answer.

Something else though, "Tiger" might be able to run Windows Apps natively and so eliminating the need for Virtual PC. That definitely would give Redmond a problem. :)


OH MY GOD!!!

If true the paradigm just shifted and hell just froze over!

on the fantasy side... HP/compaq sells a lot of windows software. The ipod is now an hp brand with itunes on the desktop why not os X?

That would be a real problem for M$ as compaq and HP sell tons to the IT sector. With x serves running the back end and x86's running the dumb pc's

apple sells tons of software and replaces M$ on the desktop of many of the fortune 500.

Then that allows for apple to sell their hardware for the tehnofetish crowd

or not.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :)


ps: wouldn't it be funny if the just ported OS 7.x to x86? it would still be better than windows. and less buggy!!

[macsrus]

I'm guessing that does not include the offensive posed by Apple on the music market. You don't have to be delusional to realize Apple is gaining young fans thru ipod and itunes. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Apple.

Hmmmmm.... but Apple has been selling ipods much faster since they made them compatable with windows....

Heck I even bought one for my daughter to use on Windows....
I use mine on my MAC..

But dont get me wrong.... Im not trying to say Microsoft is better... Only that they are so much larger and profitable...
They spend more money Advertising than Apple even makes....

Heck Bill Gates said " Microsoft makes more money on each MAC sold than Apple does"

Now does that sound like a company that would be scared of any products coming out of apple....

That being said.... IF Apple would port OS X to the PC then they would have a product that would scare Microsoft....

But unfortunatly Apple would never sell such a product

[nsb3000]

I don't really know what the deal with Arlo Rose is all about. He created an original implementation of an old idea, he did not come up with the entire concept hisself.

Apple actually had essentially the same thing as Konfabulator (small, minimal applets) called Desk Accessories. This was back before Multifinder and the ability running more than one app at a time on the Mac. You could run these mini apps on top of whatever single program you were using at the time.

The Calculator was a DA at first, there were Address Books and even Paint Applications plus tons of games. There was a single app to "install" them into the OS called Font/DA Mover.



I had completely forgotten about the Font DA mover program I had on my Mac Plus running (I think) mac os 5...Those were the days..

[Soire]

easy there cheech. Take a few hits, you don't need to smoke the whole thing.


HA!!

I hope there's enough humor to keep us pre-occupied till 1 pm tommorow... :D

[iJordan2004]

ok here is my take on tiger. apple rocks. i got my first mac in april 2004 and i love it. i havent turned my pc on since. i recently got accepted to the incredible school of clemson university. whose mascot happens to be the tiger. so needless to say. i love apple and i am going to buy the first copy of tiger i can get my hands on.

and incase you were wondering i plan on majoring in engineering in hopes to one day work for apple. :)

[må¥å]

ok here is my take on tiger. apple rocks. i got my first mac in april 2004 and i love it. i havent turned my pc on since. i recently got accepted to the incredible school of clemson university. whose mascot happens to be the tiger. so needless to say. i love apple and i am going to buy the first copy of tiger i can get my hands on.

and incase you were wondering i plan on majoring in engineering in hopes to one day work for apple. :)

Now that is someone with a life plan :eek: ;) :D

[jhillestad]

Apple has plenty of cash , why the heck wont they spring for the satellite uplink ?!?

Are they afraid too many people will venture out to the Apple stores ?!?

This is a ONCE A YEAR event , why wouldnt they uplink it ?!? How am I suppose to get excited about the new stuff if I cant see Steve get excited about it ?!?! Steve could sell me a pack of crushed ice in the middle of the north pole, now I just have to imagine Steve showing Tiger in my mind.....

Just think , the Scott Peterson trial will get more satellite uplink time than Steve Jobs showing Tiger, man what are the smoking up in Cupertino ?!?

[MacFan26]

Is it me or does anyone else want those as posters? :D

Me too! They would look great in my room :D

Those posters are pretty powerful, I hope that they live up to them. Anyone have an idea when a stream of the keynote would be posted? Would it be right after? or sometime later?

[TednDi]

does anyone have a working link to those banners?

the sites that I click on are down. No wonder!

[MacFan26]

Some people offended by Apple taking the offensive should harken back a few years ago to one of the coolest campaigns ever by a Mac dealer ,.. and it wasn't Apple. Power Computing took on the competition head on and it worked well. :cool:http://sluggo.jpg

I remember that campaign pretty well. It's been a long time since I've seen that poster! I still have the MacAddict's from when that was going on. They were using a lot of the same stuff. I'm glad Apple is doing better than it was back then :)

[Aoide]

does anyone have a working link to those banners?

the sites that I click on are down. No wonder!

It looks like his homepage has gone down or he took it off. There are images on page one of this thread.

[cr2sh]

does anyone have a working link to those banners?

the sites that I click on are down. No wonder!

The images have already been posted in this thread.. if you flip back thru the pages - they're there.

New displays tomorrow, new g5s (up to 3GHz non-ADC models), and previews of Tiger.. it's going to be a good day. :)

[newamiga]

Me too! They would look great in my room :D

Those posters are pretty powerful, I hope that they live up to them. Anyone have an idea when a stream of the keynote would be posted? Would it be right after? or sometime later?
Last year at the Apple Campus beer bash during WWDC, which rocked by the way.. they gave us all G5 posters, I can only imagine they might give away these posters at this years bash.. I'm sure the ebay price will be high but man I so want one. :cool:

[Soire]

For some confirmed releases at WWDC please refer to post #324 in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=76889&page=13&pp=25)

It doesn't get any more reliable than our old friend NeatGekko... :rolleyes: :cool:

God I hope that prediction is true, with immediate shipping along with the displays.

It's the waiting that kills me. :(

[Duff-Man]

New displays tomorrow, new g5s (up to 3GHz non-ADC models), and previews of Tiger.. it's going to be a good day. :)Duff-Man says...new G5's??? If they release new G5's tomorrow at 3Ghz I will eat Neatgekko's hand (if he has any left after his bold predictions and then disappearance when they didn't happen) ....oh yeah!

[newamiga]

OK so how many people sit up half the night for a Billl Gates keynote? :)

[~Shard~]

God I hope that prediction is true, with immediate shipping along with the displays.

You must be new here and not remember the whole NeatGekko fiasco of earlier this year... ;) Don't put ANY faith at all in what this guy says - many other members will give you the exact same advice... :cool:

[2A Batterie]

The images have already been posted in this thread.. if you flip back thru the pages - they're there.

New displays tomorrow, new g5s (up to 3GHz non-ADC models), and previews of Tiger.. it's going to be a good day. :)

Man, if we're getting 3ghz G5's tomorrow like you say, then we must also be getting those new 2.2 G5 Powerbooks! :rolleyes:

[cr2sh]

You must be new here and not remember the whole NeatGekko fiasco of earlier this year... ;) Don't put ANY faith at all in what this guy says - many other members will give you the exact same advice... :cool:

Yeh.. but he did get it once before and it was about mini-ipods. That said, he was wrong in a huge way last time. :)

Don't put any faith into what he's saying, but I wouldn't go flaming him either...

Oh BTW, my g5 thing was wishful thinking only... I can't give up the ghost of 3GHz. (Much the same as the anniversary mac) :)

[letterbox]

New displays tomorrow, new g5s (up to 3GHz non-ADC models), and previews of Tiger.. it's going to be a good day.

If that were true, whoo that would be fun. And if they upgraded the bottom of the line and the displays at 20 inches went to 999 and 899 w/edu, then I would skip band practice to backup my files and return my g5 and my display AND i would eat my socks. but i'm not wearing socks, and i won't be wearing them tomorrow just incase you are right.

but, we can all dream :rolleyes:



...


of eating our SOCKS :D

[newamiga]

"Is Apple Losing Its Sheen? Its iPod Is Still a Hot Player, But Core Macintosh Sales Lag Behind Overall Market" WSJ.com ["Behind the scenes, the company is working on other projects to jazz up the Macintosh. Among them: next generation word-processing and productivity software, according to a person familiar with the matter."] [Paid Membership Required] 6/27

as reffed on macsurfer.com

Rumors to reality?

[JoeMacDaddy]

My sources say that Tiger is ment for the Enterprise customer and being driven by the Enterprise sales group in Apple. Somehow they might place BOCHS/WINE support and with Apple remote destop, you have a VNC based tool to meet enterprise requirements. This explains the .NET C# framework support to develop and port homemade corporate apps.

:Speculation: if they did port OSX to another hardware platform, why wouldn't it be IBM's laptops, desktops and servers running PowerPC processors? They are battleing M$/Sun through its proxy SCO. What better way to kick M$ and get Apple deep into the enterprise? It worked with the original PC (Charlie Chaplin ads).

[Soire]

You must be new here and not remember the whole NeatGekko fiasco of earlier this year... ;) Don't put ANY faith at all in what this guy says - many other members will give you the exact same advice... :cool:

actually I knew about neatgecko. I've been reading rhese forums for quite a while now. I was just employing that theory of "can't be wrong all the time" to neatgecko's iPod prediction... let us all hope. ;)

[x86isslow]

Does anyone remember ages ago when Bill Gates came on video with Steve Jobs and the crowd booed? Jobs halted them and said something like "we have to drop this notion that for Apple to win Microsoft has to loose".

Also, does anyone remember how angry Steve was when ATi blundered and also when that digital camera (Canon?) didn't work on stage?

I think that Microsoft have done something to annoy him and this is his classic way of not going too far, but making the people it's directed at well aware, i.e., what he's saying is quite cutting and he doesn't seem to mind if it costs Apple a bit (they stopped shipping ATi cards on high-end machines for quite some time iirc for example).

Why he's angry I don't know, but he was pretty curt with the Office 2004 demo, whizzing through the slides and slightly cutting off the rep. Also his tone dropped quite a lot while talking about it.

Just a theory.
AppleMatt

Perhaps its the delay with a 64-bit compatible version of Virtual PC. That surely held down the number of people buying G5s.

[jettredmont]

I don't really know what the deal with Arlo Rose is all about. He created an original implementation of an old idea, he did not come up with the entire concept hisself.

Apple actually had essentially the same thing as Konfabulator (small, minimal applets) called Desk Accessories.


That was precisely my impression looking at the screen shots: here we have a more modern implementation of desk accessories.

Konfabulator. Maybe I was using it wrong and didn't give it a fair shot, but it seemed to permanently take up too much desktop space (and system resources) to be useful. Could it swoosh in and out of the way with a hotkey as this dashboard is suspected to do?

In any case, someone complaining about Apple putting desktop accessories back in OS X is a bit immature. The complaint is not that it's happened, but that it's taken so long.


All Konfabulator does is reduce the barrier of entry to creating such widgets to using scripting (and a runtime with extensive "hooks" to get at various bits of info from the OS itself) instead of compiled code.

I dunno. IMHO, the innovation seen in the Dashboard screenshot/description is the ability to call up this suite of tool-lets at a moment's notice, and dismiss them just as quickly. Calculator and Stickies simply aren't equivalent to XCode and Final Cut Pro ... they are different classes entirely, and would benefit from a streamlined method of access.

[ChrisH3677]

Konfabulator. Maybe I was using it wrong and didn't give it a fair shot, but it seemed to permanently take up too much desktop space (and system resources) to be useful. Could it swoosh in and out of the way with a hotkey as this dashboard is suspected to do?


Actually v1.7 released last week. When you press F8 all running K widgets come to the fore - even if they are bound to the desktop. They call it Konspose.

I still reckon Tiger's big news will be something for developers (eg like an x86 version - but not that big! maybe complete Linux compatibility APIs in X11 so you won't have to port apps)

[Ups85]

I've never claimed to be an economist, but I do know one thing: You cannot win by always being on the defensive, you must be on the offensive. I more than anybody want Apple to be on the offensive. These banners, if they actually say those thing 'cause I know how EASY it would be to Photoshop it, could be the beginning of a major Apple offensive on MS. :)

I'll bet you Microsoft is laughing as much as we are at these banners. They know OS X will come out with most of the Longhorn features before they do. But they also know that compatability issues and the status quo will prevent OS X from gaining much ground on Windows.

Sure you say that Apple has made huge strides with their iPod. But thats a completely different market. The iPod OS does not need to be compatable with thousands of programs. It also doesn't have to compete against the other 95% of the market.

Apple used the exact same innovation and "coolness" that they use on their macs as they do in their iPods. people saw it, and thats why it is so popular. If people could see the same thing in macs, they would be just as popular. But there are too many obstacles that are nearly impossible to overcome (i.e. converting millions of computer users who know nothing about technology). Apple will always be a niche company in the computer industry, and microsoft knows that.

[Phillip]

Also, does anyone remember how angry Steve was when ATi blundered and also when that digital camera (Canon?) didn't work on stage?


when did that happen???? (the camera)

[Luc@]

Just in case anyone has not checked out the Banners yet, (at the link in the quote) they are really cool.

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .

They are amazing!

[TWinbrook46636]

it seems i'm outnumbered with my idea that apple is too personal against microsoft and that they seem a bit arrogant more so now than in the past. i love apple products and have for years, but i'm just responding to how i feel about this. obviously if apple comes up with a good idea microsoft will incorporate it into their own operating systems. get this folks, it's business and microsoft wants to make money. you will not be able to stop that. i think it's very easy to make a comparison about what apple has and microsoft does not, but cracking jokes on a company or a product that isn't due out until 2006 isn't the best way to bolster support for your operating system or products. apple isn't without its faults either. why is it that when i resize a window it doesn't move in real time? windows has been able to do that for as long as i can remember. maybe apple is lagging behind in that field. what about the fast user switching? xp had that before panther. is apple copying microsoft? this goes both ways.

Those banners are a jab at the features and effects present in Longhorn that Microsoft ripped off from OS X. Apple is stating that despite their best efforts in copying them it will be too little too late. Apple innovates, Microsoft assimilates. You will hear more about this during the keynote. By the way, XP does not have fast user switching. It only has sloooooooooooow user switching.

[jimjiminyjim]

What's Redmond? Please don't answer this in the forum.

I love the explanation of virtual folders that was explained in a rather lengthy post by.... I dunno who, these forums get longer and longer.

It is a major feature that would make Tiger OS X worthwhile to me. I hope to hear that it has been implemented to as large a degree as possible without confusing the masses.

Redmond question is a joke.

[CholEoptera36]

DoctorQ, MoparShaha, I agree yous guys. I love a lot of things about Apple, even though I currently don't have one. But it's not a good thing to use that kind of criticism publicly. Especially when MS is as big of a powerhouse as they are. The negative messages on those banners are not going to get anybody to switch from Windows to Apple, and in my oppinion those negative messages and cheap stabs don't acheive any of Apple's goals. Yes they are funny, and it's fun to do those things but it's not going to help their current situation any. Jobs needs to sell more computers, he needs more money to update more of Apple's products. Apple needs more buyers to switch from Windows to Apple, and to help bring up their shares. You can't bring MS to their knees on cheap banners that target name calling and jokes. And I agree pissing them off usually is a mistake by any company that opposes with that kind of attitute. There's other ways to get people to buy your computers, I'm kinda ashamed of the banners... :( and angry, it's cheap :mad:

[MacQuest]

I haven't read through all of the posts, but I say to micrapsoft: "F U"!!!

I'm tired of the politically correct, under the breath loathing of M$.

TELL IT LIKE IT IS APPLE!!!

Put out other banners that say:
"Paybacks a beeyatch Redmond"
"Reverse engineer my middle finger Redmond",
"Marketshare don't mean squat unless you can hang on to it Redmond"
"The platform wars have only just begun Redmond"

This is gonna be fun. :D

[furrina]

For some reason I'm reminded of the excitement of when I bought my first computer (a Quadra 605) at MacWorld Expo.

[rock6079]

tick-tock tick-tock

alrgiht people lets get to whats really importnat

WWDC SOON!!! yeah

btw on another note..... it is kind of starting to upset me the way apple tends to rip-off apps and ideas from other people whospend their time deveolping for apple.

i have two examples about tiger so far. one is the Dashboard/Widgets and the Konfabulator (however it is spelt, its 230 in the morning and idont have the patience to check)

and another, which hasnt been mentioned but i think should, is the smart folders. now i knwo apple did create this i itunes but just check version tracker and look for Smart Folders lol.

anywase i like the fact that apple can take such ideas like this and be abel to imple,ent them better and more smoothly than any 3rdd party software developer can into OSX, but i kind of remember a similar situation with jaguar but i totally forget. ne wase, just my 230 am rant.

[MacFan26]

when did that happen???? (the camera)

haha, I remember that one. I believe it happened while he was demostrating iPhoto, but I don't know exactly which one it was. I remember him handing it to someone in the front row to fix it for him.

[sambo.]

so what if Apple is making a public stab at M$? M$ has done the same on many, many occasions and i'm not even going to begin a litany of M$ Crimes Against Computing in this thread.
when the switch from 9.2 to X came along, M$ was predicting a rush of people coming to windoesn't. it never eventuated and now, as X gets better and better, more and more people are leaving the borg to join the elves (to mix a sci-fi metaphor with a fantasy one.... ;))
i have no doubt that M$ will incorporate more and more OS-X stuff into "longhorn", all the while calling it a "New Innovation from the Worlds #1 slothware maker".
stuff 'em, stick the boot in whenever and wherever possible.
hopefully, Tiger will be able to be installed onto AMD/Intel boxes. that would be sweet and really make the redmond monolith take note....... ;) :eek:

[mobility3]

You know these posters could hint at something very shocking. I do believe that Apple has mentioned in the past that they have a "backup" version of Mac OS X running on the x86 platform. Could "Tiger" run on my PC?

Now we're talkin'. That would put some guff behind those banners 'cause bashing M$ for the sake of taking a jab is getting old, even if it's personal. Are we assuming that Longhorn is a viable enough evolution of the OS to let M$ set the precidence? I don't see the logic in that. And I'm sure M$ is much more concerned these days with how Open Source systems will play in the market than they are OSX.

So with no webcast, how can there be major product announcements (no G5 imac :( )?

[tech4all]

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .


What or who is "Redmond"? Sorry if that is a silly question, but I'm not familiar of that term/name :D

[CholEoptera36]

Yes a jab for the sake of a jab. Funny as hell, but hush-hush attacks are not getting Apple anywhere. And I think putting personal attacks in banners is just showing how much of an influence MS is on Apple. Why let MS play such an important role in what's supposed to be the broadcast of APPLE computers?

Aside from that, the banners are funny as hell. Even though they only reach out to 5%-7% of the computer shopper population = us...

And I wish they would broadcast this over satelite too, it would have a greater impact to let the public see what Apple's got in store ya know?

[elmimmo]

Huh, huh... Apple cool, M$ pooo.

What a pathetic view... And then some will wonder why the rest of the world (which has something ELSE beyond Windows) thinks Apple users are all zealots. Apple marketing has really a point in motivating that attittude.

Apple, I do not use Windows (XP) so I do not know Windows. What the **** are you talking to me about? Is that your selling point to me? Who are you addressing this pathetic "harrasing" posters: stupid Mac users or stupid Windows users? In any case, not to smart users whatever their platform is...

[MacFan26]

What or who is "Redmond"? Sorry if that is a silly question, but I'm not familiar of that term/name :D

Redmond is where Microsoft is located in Washington. Its been answered numerous times already. (no offense! :))

[CholEoptera36]

Redmond is where "the Devil" lives lmao

[DamnDJ]

Hasn't anyone seen Barry Lyndon? :P

Anyway, as for the posters.. I think people may be reading way too much into them. I for one am going to hold out judgment on anything until I see it come from Apple. I still am suffering them the Apple banners on their website a couple years ago that stated "Way beyond the rumor sites. Way beyond". What these posters are telling me is...well, zero. I'll let myself be surprised.

I'll hope for the best, but I'll expect nothing.

[sweetaction]

Apple has plenty of cash , why the heck wont they spring for the satellite uplink ?!?

Are they afraid too many people will venture out to the Apple stores ?!?

This is a ONCE A YEAR event , why wouldnt they uplink it ?!? How am I suppose to get excited about the new stuff if I cant see Steve get excited about it ?!?! Steve could sell me a pack of crushed ice in the middle of the north pole, now I just have to imagine Steve showing Tiger in my mind.....

Just think , the Scott Peterson trial will get more satellite uplink time than Steve Jobs showing Tiger, man what are the smoking up in Cupertino ?!?

cause a bunch of people paid $$$ to go to the event.

[kimopupule]

http://www.kinnetica.com/cioxx/osx-x86.jpg

hehe.
As the image says, OS X will only be on x86 (for the public) when pigs fly.
And my friends, there hasn't been enough development in genetic research to achieve pigs with wings, let alone flying.

:)

[CholEoptera36]

Lmao

[MacFan26]

I still am suffering them the Apple banners on their website a couple years ago that stated "Way beyond the rumor sites. Way beyond".

Do you remember what it was that they were releasing that time? I sort of remember being disappointed that it wasn't way beyond the rumor sites as they said.

[aswitcher]

Those Pigs need tiger stripes :p

[CholEoptera36]

Microsoft's next motive, use artificial simulated evolution to make pigs fly...

[kimopupule]

Microsoft's next motive, use artificial simulated evolution to make pigs fly...
hehe, and then to try and pull a Nixon on Apple and get ahold of the Quartz code...

...seeing as Darwin runs on x86, only Quartz technically would need to be ported and maybe some Cocoa frameworks. hehe.

[DamnDJ]

Do you remember what it was that they were releasing that time? I sort of remember being disappointed that it wasn't way beyond the rumor sites as they said.

The flat panel iMacs. :)

[MacFan26]

The flat panel iMacs. :)

Now I remember. Maybe I was wrong about being disappointed then, since I loved when they released those iMacs. Well, I guess that means we won't be let down tomorrow either :D

[CholEoptera36]

Yes! there's no doubt in my mind that tomorrow won't be a let down. Just too bad they aren't broadcasting it throughout the US, that would be so way saweeter. It would be even better if MS lost that suit, then Apple could have really taken advantage of the broadcasting tomorrow. ;)

[CholEoptera36]

not to get too stuck on the broadcasting thing though... As long as it doesn't hurt Apple then all is well. :D

[MacQuest]

You know, the more i think about Apple basically giving monopolysoft the finger, I can't help but think about the one thing that Apple pundits always point to when saying that Apple needs m$: Office.

Could they finally be releasing a m$ Office suite replacement? Updated Appleworks or a version of OpenOffice or whatever?

That would justify telling billy gates of hell to take a flying leap back into the inferno he oozed his way out of. :D

[MacQuest]

What or who is "Redmond"? Sorry if that is a silly question, but I'm not familiar of that term/name :D

Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
REDMOND, WA 98052-6399
USA

On the corner of Classless Blvd. and Unintuitive Ave. Directly off of Criminal Highway 666. :D

[kimopupule]

On the OpenOffice site it says they don't have a release for OS X that's native to Quartz yet; 1.1 still requires X11 to be installed. And while it's nice, it still isn't native to OS X yet. They projected it won't be until 2005 Q1.

And I doubt it'd be an updated Appleworks..
Maybe something new, though. Something integrating all of Microsoft's features and formats.

[saggsy]

has the expo started yet?????

[MacQuest]

has the expo started yet?????

In about 8 hours... and 10 minutes.

But who's countin'? :D

[ChrisH3677]

Where's iWrite? Any chance tomorrow?


Also, maybe they're not broadcasting so as to add value for those who are there. Make it exclusive. Like, imagine if it's something mind-blowing and you could say "I was there!" and next year, do you think ticket sales would go thru the roof? :)

[madrobby]

It's part of Expose - a fourth function. It's not the fact that it's faster - it's more convenient. Think of it this way:

There is one menu pane. It allows you to control/open iTunes, iChat, Mail, iCal, etc. You have the power to interact with ANYTHING from right there (assuming it's expandable by user/3rd party).

Wish my screen had more than four corners to mouse-activate all this stuff... :D

[MacQuest]

Where's iWrite? Any chance tomorrow?
That's what I was trying to get at when I posted just below:

"You know, the more i think about Apple basically giving monopolysoft the finger, I can't help but think about the one thing that Apple pundits always point to when saying that Apple needs m$: Office.

Could they finally be releasing a m$ Office suite replacement? Updated Appleworks or a version of OpenOffice or whatever?

That would justify telling billy gates of hell to take a flying leap back into the inferno he oozed his way out of."


Also, maybe they're not broadcasting so as to add value for those who are there. Make it exclusive. Like, imagine if it's something mind-blowing and you could say "I was there!" and next year, do you think ticket sales would go thru the roof? :)

Very likely. I'd be pissed off if I were a developer that paid a big chunk of change just to get the same information that any shmoe can get from their computer at home at the same time.

I'm sure that there were probably alot of complaints from premium paying developers after last years WWDC, but the G5 just HAD to be announced publicly.

[CholEoptera36]

Not to affend anyone about the Appleworks thing... But isn't that what we always make fun of MS for doing>? Making a hack of Apple's products. Well I don't mean to make a contradiction of myself here or anything but, not necessarily a "hack" just an Apple version of the MS product. That's more of what i meant to say. But what can ya do?
Really I think it's better to have a Mac product with the Apple label on it instead of having Microsoft's name on a powerful tool like that on an Apple computer. It only makes sense to make an Apple version. But I guess it's times like these when you realise that Apple too takes some ideas from Microsoft. Even as rare as that may be.

And man I hate making posts like these, cause even has honest as it may come out as just having an oppinion, I already know I'mma get bashed for it :(

[CholEoptera36]

correction on AppleWorks.. I meant to say a new MS Office replacement. It's after 5:30 waht do you expect? :rolleyes:

[CholEoptera36]

Also, maybe they're not broadcasting so as to add value for those who are there. Make it exclusive. Like, imagine if it's something mind-blowing and you could say "I was there!" and next year, do you think ticket sales would go thru the roof? :)

Very interesting point of view... :D

[iMeowbot]

(on smart folders)
Surely this must mean a new(er) FileSystem, something with proper META-Data? otherwise that kinda feature would bring the system to it's Knees! :confused:

Nah. Panther's file find already has most of this capability, it's just undocumented and buggy (or perhaps incomplete would be a better way to put it).

1. Have a normal Finder windows open.

2. File->Find..., and do a search as usual.

3. When the results window pops up and the clock icon thingy stops spinning, press command-T. Your search result gets added to the Finder sidebar. Don't close your search results window yet.

4. Go to the regular Finder window and click on the ".Search Results...." icon you just added.

5. Now you can close the search windows and the search is still available in the regular Finder window. You'll have the little curveed arrow icon at the bottom of the windows to update the search. The bug is that if you close that finder window, your saved search folders stop working because those folders are temporary files.

Even if the feature is changed in Tiger to be persistent and update automatically, it shouldn't be too bad. You might have noticed that regular Finder views don't update constantly, only periodically as needed, and there's no need to do most of the work if the search isn't visible in a window. Also, full-text searches already have a caching database thingy available.

[MacQuest]

CholEoptera36 -

Not gonna bash you, and I completely understand what you mean about if Apple where to come out with an Office alternative and that people may then say that Apple copied m$.

For me, I would like this so that I could be "m$ free" without compromising compatability. To me it's about proving that NO m$ products are needed in order to have a fully functional and capable computer. As a matter of fact, we could boast that Mac's are better when they don't have any m$ products.

It also has to do with the fact that m$'s two biggest cash cows ar winblows and office. We can practically sit back and watch winblows kill itself, but people's dependency on an overpriced, glorified typewriter and data entry suite is mind boggling. That's going to be tougher to overcome IMO.

[CholEoptera36]

MacQuest -

Thanks for the lighter return lol

And I agree, it would be awesome to have an Apple computer free of MS, that's one of the reason's I said it makes sense to have an Apple version of Office. So we definitely agree on that one.

And I understand some why we use office so much. Me being a college student, I use excel for instance to plot and graph data from my General Chemistry classes. And it helps keep my to do list organized and what not. But it is definitely over priced. In fact in the state of North Carolina it is required at Universities to have stuents use Office in core classes, and many private colleges have them use it with every class here. I dunno if it's MS' doings, or if the state just feels it's necessary to learn that software as it is used often. But it's definitely a big advantage for Apple to make their own version of it since it has a major impact on so many people. ;)

[kimopupule]

And I agree, it would be awesome to have an Apple computer free of MS, that's one of the reason's I said it makes sense to have an Apple version of Office. So we definitely agree on that one.
AppleWorks is cool.
You can also get OpenOffice.org
or hell, if you like X11, get AbiWord.

:D

But screw office.
The only way I'll use office .x is if I rip it or something.
:p

[matze]

If smart foldes is for real, it's a feature from copland (does anyone remember?!). copland (the "original" system 8, that never made it) was supposed to have content search function where you could save the search results. And these results would update from time to time. To me this sounds like we are getting "old" tech from apple (but we are still way ahead of M$oftcopy).

[CholEoptera36]

hehehe, well unfortunately there are some places where we're forced to use office like me at school. But I won't go as far as saying it's not a good bundle of software, office is really good. And I've used the Abi word before too ;) isn't that a Linux version? Correct me if I'm wrong I'm not 100% sure. Alls I know is if you're gonna use Office anyway, it might as well be an Apple version right? lol :D

[CmdrLaForge]

Just in case anyone has not checked out the Banners yet, (at the link in the quote) they are really cool.

They read "Introducing Longhorn" , "Redmond, we have a problem" , "This should keep redmond busy" and (My personal favorite) "Redmond, start your photocopiers" .


I love these banners !

[ibookster]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MacSlut

I don't get the "Introducing Longhorn" banner. I'm running 10.3 (Panther), why would I want to downgrade to Longhorn?

Ok, Introducing Longhorn means, when Longhorn does come out, M$ will have copied all the ideas from Tiger and therefore making Tiger look like Longhorn.

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

I think he got...perhapse you missed a joke in there somewhere.....

[MacQuest]

I love these banners !

Yes, but what do you think of my proposed additional banners from my earlier post:

I'm tired of the politically correct, under the breath loathing of M$.

TELL IT LIKE IT IS APPLE!!!

Put out other banners that say:
"Paybacks a beeyatch Redmond"
"Reverse engineer my middle finger Redmond",
"Marketshare don't mean squat unless you can hang on to it Redmond"
"The platform wars have only just begun Redmond"

This is gonna be fun. :D

[kimopupule]

Choleoptera.. er.. Derek.. er cuz..

AbiWord is a unix/linux app similar to word.
Since OS X is unix based, you can port it to it and run it.
I had it on my old 10.2 install next to the GIMP.

[reyesmac]

Its like the marketing guys at Apple are real Mac heads. These are jokes that real Mac lovers would appreciate. I guess they might use other slogans for their official launch, if not, it will be funny to see what the PC pundits say when they write about tiger.
I wonder what the biggest changes will be that will make Longhorn look weak by comparison. If they already think they are ahead of Redmond with Panther then they have another thing coming. Because it doesn't matter if you beat them to the punch, it only matters what new stuff you have when Longhorn comes out. I do not want to see 1995 all over again. Win 95 was a bad imitation of the Mac OS but look what happened when it came out. So they darn well better have some improvements that will help me work with many files faster, in a production environment instead of things that make you go "ooh" and "ahh" at a keynote.

[kimopupule]

Because it doesn't matter if you beat them to the punch, it only matters what new stuff you have when Longhorn comes out. I do not want to see 1995 all over again. Win 95 was a bad imitation of the Mac OS but look what happened when it came out. So they darn well better have some improvements that will help me work with many files faster, in a production environment instead of things that make you go "ooh" and "ahh" at a keynote.
Good point.
Sure, we all can appreciate this stuff, but do those winblows users care? Minus a few, of course. There needs to be a reason to stick with it, not to jost goggle at it for a few moments (ie the dock).

[CholEoptera36]

Ah I thougth it was Linux, just wasn't 100% ;) thanx cuz - me and Kimopupule are cousins incase ya'll didn't know...lol (it's what us southerners do)

I installed it on my PC even though it's Unix/Linux based, what gives? was it a Abi hack>? Lmao

[kimopupule]

Ah I thougth it was Linux, just wasn't 100% ;) thanx cuz - me and Kimopupule are cousins incase ya'll didn't know...lol (it's what us southerners do)

I installed it on my PC even though it's Unix/Linux based, what gives? was it a Abi hack>? Lmao
That sounds incredibly wrong, Derek.
Anywho..

Yeah, you had a port. I remember it.
hehe.

anywho...
Does anyone want to see why the Empire failed in Star Wars?

http://aesop.thrillinghill.com/caption_contest/captionA2.jpg

:D

[CholEoptera36]

No wonder the death star "Blew up"! and all this time I thought Skywalker did it... But wait, does that mean Microsoft actually is good for something?!>!

[kimopupule]

Saying that microsoft is good for something depends on your POV.
I was always partial to the Dark side myself.

[macsrus]

My sources say that Tiger is ment for the Enterprise customer and being driven by the Enterprise sales group in Apple. Somehow they might place BOCHS/WINE support and with Apple remote destop, you have a VNC based tool to meet enterprise requirements. This explains the .NET C# framework support to develop and port homemade corporate apps..

You are right on target..... Tiger updates are for the Enterprise...
And most of the updates are to its UNIX underpinnings....
There will be some eye candy changes for regular users
BUT
The BIGGEST CHANGE in TIGER is a FULL 64 BIT KERNEL.....

[eSnow]

Hanging large posters blasting MS b/c of stealing ideas and at the same time showing off a concept ripped from Konfabulator is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

[MacQuest]

Hanging large posters blasting MS b/c of stealing ideas and at the same time showing off a concept ripped from Konfabulator is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

Whatever. :rolleyes:

This is like when Apple made Sherlock act like Watson in the Jaguar release. I didn't agree with that either.

But if anyone deserves to be publicly ridiculed even more, and by Apple, it's m$.

microshaft deserved this years ago. :p

[macsrus]

Let's suspend our disbelief that you know enough mac users to provide a remotely relevant or viable sampling for a moment and consider the fact that Apple probably couldn't care less about what you and others do with their Mac's after they've been purchased as they don't have to refund a bit of your money for removing their OS.

You really only inadvertly proved my point here.....
Its hard to know many MAC users.... simply because their are not that many of us......

But Apple does care what OS you run on their MACS....
Proof of that is.... They sell the OS separate from their machines....i.e. they want all mac users to buy it and run it....

Profit margins on software are always higher than on hardware.

[eric_n_dfw]

Given these posters mocking Redmond, does this mean that the rumor about Xcode supporting .Net in Tiger will not be happening? I'm not sure anyone with a choice would develop using that platform, but there are a lot of developers that must and selling them Powerbooks loaded with OS X to do it would be a good thing.I hope this is true. I've been way too busy with J2EE work to even learn C# or .NET (I rarely use Windows), but I've heard some very interesting things about it and would love to be able to dabble in it without changing platforms.

[eric_n_dfw]

As a J2EE application architect I think that this is the BEST possible thing to come from WWDC next week. With people like Gosling already using a mac, Apple has a real chance to take a big bite out of the application development market if they play their cards right. I've been using apple for a year and a half for all my dev work and haven't ever been happier with a platform.Ditto for me. I actually use both my G4 500 and a 2.4Ghz Linux box (remotely - using remote X Window apps and VNC) while my Windows laptop is simple a VNC client when I work from home.

If I could get my employer to upgrade me to a faster Mac, I'd dump the Linux one too. With the latest news in InfoWorld (or was it eWeek?) that G5's and Athlon 64's are neck-in-neck in plastering Xeon's for Java app server work, I'm hoping the "mac is a toy" mentality is eroding away.

[eric_n_dfw]

why is it that when i resize a window it doesn't move in real time? windows has been able to do that for as long as i can remember. maybe apple is lagging behind in that field. what about the fast user switching? xp had that before panther. is apple copying microsoft? this goes both ways.XP had fst user switching before OS X, even Jobs admitted that last year at the WWDC keynote. But, from what I've heard, Apple's implementation is faster, and "cooler". (Eye candy sells a lot of the time) Besides, some Linux distributions had this capability before XP did.

While the window resize thing is an anoyance, if you have a Quartz Extreme capable machine, it's a lot more bearable. When I put a Radeon 8500 in my Dual G4 500, it felt like a turbo charge had just been put under the hood for the GUI. Windows' GUI feels a lot faster because it's doing a lot less. I'm amazed that the OSX GUI is as responsive as it is. Consider that every single thing on that screen is being composited in real-time from PDF - AND - you can use it on a 400Mhz G3 (albiet a little slugish)!

That said, I really do wish Apple would add official ways to turn down the eye-candy. You know it can be done because sites like osxhints.com and others show you the "back-door" settings that can do it.

[eric_n_dfw]

and incase you were wondering i plan on majoring in engineering in hopes to one day work for apple. :)Just make sure you really love the work.

Unlike the .com days, engineers can't simple demand a high salary, they need to set themselves apart from the crowd.

At least in software engineering, a lot of jobs are being off-shored, only those who can show that they are worth the MUCH higher US salaries are "safe." If you're seen as just another code geek that doesn't excel in your field, you're ripe for replacement.

And no, I'm not trying to bash offshoring of programming jobs - I'm actually happy to see people given the oportunity to make 5x what other jobs in their countries pay. Just make sure you show your employer why the return on their investment in you is worth it.

[eric_n_dfw]

haha, I remember that one. I believe it happened while he was demostrating iPhoto, but I don't know exactly which one it was. I remember him handing it to someone in the front row to fix it for him.
"Handing" is a nice way of putting it. He threw the thing to some staffer who was on the floor in front of the stage! (I probably would have done the same!)

[Manuel Moreno]

And to all you OSX on x86, that would kill Apple as a company. Hardware and all.

call you apple a hardware company? rotflol, the best part of apple is NEXT. the rest, don't matter. hardware are everywhere, the assembly is the easy part. yes, you can call it Macintosh, Banana, or PC, but, they are calculators.

[eric_n_dfw]

call you apple a hardware company? rotflol, the best part of apple is NEXT. the rest, don't matter. hardware are everywhere, the assembly is the easy part. yes, you can call it Macintosh, Banana, or PC, but, they are calculators.
Did you ever use OPENSTEP on X86? Probably not. I tried, but my PC didn't meet the "supported hardware" spec's. (Was an AST 90Mhz Pentium with onboard video and a 2.2GB IDE drive)

The reason OPENSTEP (and NeXTSTEP) ran so well on NeXt hardware is the same reason OS X runs as well as it does on Mac's. Relatively closed architecture is a good thing for OS X.

[edit - added]
PS: I was a huge OPENSTEP fan. In fact, I developed on OPENSTEP Enterprise for WinNT for a short while. It's evolution into OS X and the "Cocoa" API's is why I bought a Mac.

[AppleMatt]

The WWDC '03 video linked here is missing;
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/

I changed the link to correspond to '04 (:cool: ), but that didn't work.

AppleMatt

[whooleytoo]

Even if these screenshots are real, I doubt they are from the same Tiger build that will be demo'ed later today; if there are significant UI changes, these are typically kept in *very* limited circulation until they have been demo'ed publically.

(Even though I'd been testing OSX for months as an Apple engineer at the time, I still didn't Aqua until the same time as everyone else).

I'm wondering what the reaction will be to Gadgets (if, indeed, they are real). What will developers make of Apple copying (not buying) another small 3rd party developer's ideas.