OS X Snow Leopard Retail Disc Contains Build 10A432 [Archive]

MacRumors

Aug 25, 2009, 07:53 PM

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/25/os-x-snow-leopard-retail-disc-contains-build-10a432/)

Spanish site Applesfera reports (http://www.applesfera.com/apple/primeras-imagenes-reales-de-la-caja-de-mac-os-x-snow-leopard) [Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&dl=en&u=http://www.applesfera.com/apple/primeras-imagenes-reales-de-la-caja-de-mac-os-x-snow-leopard)] that a Tumblr/Twitter user by the name of pedro10 has received a retail copy of Mac OS X Snow Leopard in advance of Friday's official launch (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/24/apple-announces-august-28th-availability-of-snow-leopard/).

After installing Snow Leopard, pedro10 reports (http://twitter.com/pedro10/status/3546408326) that the retail disc does in fact contain Build 10A432, which had been rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/11/mac-os-x-snow-leopard-build-10a432-designated-gold-master/) to be the "Golden Master" version sent to manufacturing for retail distribution. Some unconfirmed reports in recent days had suggested that a different build might have been the shipping version of Snow Leopard, but this appears to not be the case.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/08/25/204328-sl_front_500.jpg

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/08/25/204329-sl_inside_2_500.jpg

As proof, pedro10 posted (http://pedro10.tumblr.com/post/171320089) the above photographs of the Snow Leopard retail packaging.

Article Link: OS X Snow Leopard Retail Disc Contains Build 10A432 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/25/os-x-snow-leopard-retail-disc-contains-build-10a432/)

iBookG4user

Aug 25, 2009, 07:54 PM

This really isn't that surprising if you think about it. But I hope that 10.6.1 comes out quickly and the bugs are fixed :)

freedevil

Aug 25, 2009, 07:55 PM

Sweet can't wait

Takuta-Nui

Aug 25, 2009, 07:56 PM

MarkCooz

Aug 25, 2009, 07:56 PM

I have 10a432 so... it's retail... or they changed something minor??

pmasters

Aug 25, 2009, 07:56 PM

so Quicktime X really does have no preferences to set?

thecartoonguy

Aug 25, 2009, 07:57 PM

O.K I may be the only one to say this. But the package looks sweet! I really enjoy the design process. Sad I know :D

Krafty

Aug 25, 2009, 07:57 PM

Yeah, figured, this should end those discussions now.

skyblueofhope

Aug 25, 2009, 07:58 PM

Even though this is truly the GM, I still want to buy the OS!

GeekLawyer

Aug 25, 2009, 07:59 PM

Well... now we know.

benlee

Aug 25, 2009, 08:00 PM

O.K I may be the only one to say this. But the package looks sweet! I really enjoy the design process. Sad I know :D

I agree. There was a post on Gizmodo the other day complaining about the packaging, but previous versions of OS 10 were simple X's. This is cool looking.

Godzilla71

Aug 25, 2009, 08:01 PM

Nice package pics. :)

wondering why he did not include some shots of the build though. :confused: :/

Eddyisgreat

Aug 25, 2009, 08:01 PM

Torrent usage increases 3 bajillion percent after the build number has been announcement.

BryanLyle

Aug 25, 2009, 08:01 PM

Come on Friday. Hurry up and get here.

zedsdead

Aug 25, 2009, 08:06 PM

Come on Friday. Hurry up and get here.

That's exactly how I feel, although, this build apparently is not really "complete." Oh well, here's to a quick 10.6.1 release! I ain't waiting:D

andiwm2003

Aug 25, 2009, 08:08 PM

i'm trying to buy it at the apple store on friday. however i install at 10.6.2 when the bugs are mostly gone.

Detlev

Aug 25, 2009, 08:11 PM

Here it comes

"It's a fake! Look, the print on the manual is slightly off and the edges of the box are pixelated."

or

"The build has to be at least 10A436 before I buy."

creon

Aug 25, 2009, 08:12 PM

Torrent usage increases 3 bajillion percent after the build number has been announcement.

True Story.

Cant wait to pop it in and boot it up...and then wait for the updates! :)

And then we watch the "unboxing" of SL...hahaha.

guzhogi

Aug 25, 2009, 08:15 PM

For those wondering how to get the Pro settings in Quicktime 7, considering there's no Quicktime prefs in System Prefs:

simonshek

Aug 25, 2009, 08:15 PM

hey. the box even gets smaller... it's sad to see the CD is just in a plastic bag...:eek:

zw-gator

Aug 25, 2009, 08:15 PM

Ah oh, weren't people experiencing problems with this build?

No default 64bit boot comes to mind

strikereg

Aug 25, 2009, 08:15 PM

The same guy also said he had no trouble installing the "upgrade" version on a clean hard drive.

pika2000

Aug 25, 2009, 08:16 PM

Okay, can we at least get a confirmation whether one can fresh install SL on an empty hard-drive (without Leopard installed)? I mean come on, this is the biggest question right now. Who cares about the packaging/pictures. :rolleyes:

Squeak825

Aug 25, 2009, 08:17 PM

Ah oh, weren't people experiencing problems with this build?

No default 64bit boot comes to mind

There was never expectation of any consumer machine defaulting to 64-bit kernel.

The machines that are able to boot the 64-bit kernel are now great test machines for developers to write their kext's in 64-bit for 10.7.

The Samurai

Aug 25, 2009, 08:18 PM

Aye aye for Pedro

leomac08

Aug 25, 2009, 08:18 PM

i would prefered the box to be purple like the leopard box...lol

benlee

Aug 25, 2009, 08:19 PM

aafuss1

Aug 25, 2009, 08:19 PM

Amazed to see the box is even slimmer than the one that Leopard used.

zedsdead

Aug 25, 2009, 08:20 PM

I love the box personally. That picture of the Snow Leopard is just amazing.

monksealpup

Aug 25, 2009, 08:20 PM

I sure hope all of the people who walked around spewing "10A432 isn't the GM" like they were some type of expert feel incredibly stupid and **** from now on.

chrisgeleven

Aug 25, 2009, 08:21 PM

Curious to see how a fresh install works with the upgrade disk.

Squeak825

Aug 25, 2009, 08:22 PM

I'm really wondering why Apple "rushed" this out before their September promise when it seems some are claiming it could use more work. Granted there is always going to be more work to be done, why not take another 2 weeks to do so.

Sometimes Apple confuses me.

Two reasons:

1) Point of diminishing returns -- sometimes better just to get on with the program and move towards maintenance mode
2) September is already jam-packed with announcements?

strikereg

Aug 25, 2009, 08:24 PM

Curious to see how a fresh install works with the upgrade disk.

He DID a fresh install with the upgrade disk...
http://twitter.com/pedro10

173080

Aug 25, 2009, 08:24 PM

No special effects on the box?

The DVD is in a clear plastic sleeve?

This has to be a joke from Apple, what slapdash and cheap packaging. :mad:

acidfast7

Aug 25, 2009, 08:25 PM

why does it matter what the GM version is? BT is too slow of a protocol to download stuff anyways.

benlee

Aug 25, 2009, 08:26 PM

Two reasons:

1) Point of diminishing returns -- sometimes better just to get on with the program and move towards maintenance mode
2) September is already jam-packed with announcements?

What a great response. Makes perfect sense.

This also creates a little Apple hype burst to carry them into their September event.

yoman

Aug 25, 2009, 08:26 PM

maybe this is just the up-to-date packaging.....

MrCrowbar

Aug 25, 2009, 08:27 PM

It will probably be like when I got Leopard on launch day, installed it, and there was already an update ready for download. Who cares if the GM has a few bugs if they're fixed via software update quickly?

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 08:28 PM

why does it matter what the GM version is? BT is too slow of a protocol to download stuff anyways.

Are you kidding? I didn't d/l snow leopard but I constantly MAX out my connection with BT... I'm talking over 2.2MB to 3.1MB per second here.

crees!

Aug 25, 2009, 08:29 PM

This really isn't that surprising if you think about it. But I hope that 10.6.1 comes out quickly and the bugs are fixed :)

And then there will be no more updates until 10.7. Comments as above are nothing but ridiculous.

sam10685

Aug 25, 2009, 08:30 PM

I could care less about any of this. I got my new mac book pro june 29th and might upgrade later next year if the reviews are positive. Leopard is perfect already.

Teddy's

Aug 25, 2009, 08:31 PM

Well, I guess so much for T-shirts... :(

Roy Hobbs

Aug 25, 2009, 08:32 PM

I could care less about any of this. I got my new mac book pro june 29th and might upgrade later next year if the reviews are positive. Leopard is perfect already.

Yeah I agree, who would want all these enhancements anyway.
:rolleyes:

benlee

Aug 25, 2009, 08:33 PM

I could care less about any of this. I got my new mac book pro june 29th and might upgrade later next year if the reviews are positive. Leopard is perfect already.

you obviously care if you posted here.

Why wouldn't you want a more optimized OS? that would increase speed and security for $29.

DUSTmurph

Aug 25, 2009, 08:35 PM

This isn't real! Look at the writing! its just a bunch of gibberish!!!

just kidding :D

acidfast7

Aug 25, 2009, 08:35 PM

Are you kidding? I didn't d/l snow leopard but I constantly MAX out my connection with BT... I'm talking over 2.2MB to 3.1MB per second here.

that's what i'm taking about. kinda slow :(

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 08:35 PM

I sure hope all of the people who walked around spewing "10A432 isn't the GM" like they were some type of expert feel incredibly stupid and **** from now on.

YES this. Why just a mere few hours ago they were swearing up and down 10A432 wasn't GM... haha

I think some of the same people swore you needed the "full box set" to upgrade from 10.4, but that isn't so either... just as I said, there is ONE version of 10.6. ONE. you get the same thing in the $29 and the same thing in the box set. Both will install on a 100% bare machine.

Surprise... 10A432 could apparently install with NO other OS present, this "GM" disk is 100% the same. Hopefully now we can put all that to rest.

As far as packaging I think they are just toning it down a bit with SL. They posted the GM days/week ago without second thought, that leaked easily... they were sloppy letting out info and boxes and drop-in discs too. It's just not some huge "month-long" countdown, fanfare, party-worthy OS for Apple.

As for me, its FAST as all heck and will be really nice in a few updates, but I am ready for the bitching in a few days about "is this IT?" "What's new?!?" etc, etc, from all the newbs. It'll still be a fun un-boxing and install for me! Gardens Mall here I come!!

SchneiderMan

Aug 25, 2009, 08:36 PM

what does a picture of a snow leopard have to do with apple or osx? i bet the leopard is thinking wtf.. lol

john7jr

Aug 25, 2009, 08:37 PM

Nice package pics. :)

wondering why he did not include some shots of the build though. :confused: :/

Anyone who has 10a432 could do that. The box pics make him more of a trusted source. You and I are just bozos with a beta. :p

GeekLawyer

Aug 25, 2009, 08:37 PM

that's what i'm taking about. kinda slow :(

Holy Jesus! If that doesn't make Safari snappy, I don't know what could.

birch25

Aug 25, 2009, 08:38 PM

why does it matter what the GM version is? BT is too slow of a protocol to download stuff anyways.

I actually max out my connection much more often on well supported torrents (as Snow Leopard would be) than on regular downloads.

Godzilla71

Aug 25, 2009, 08:38 PM

you obviously care if you posted here.

Why wouldn't you want a more optimized OS? that would increase speed and security for $29.

$10 even since he qualifies for the UTD program. ;)

Eidorian

Aug 25, 2009, 08:38 PM

I still think they should have spent some more time on it. I'm expecting 10.6.1 very soon. Yawnfest all around.

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 08:39 PM

that's what i'm taking about. kinda slow :(

That is my MAX speed... You are very lucky my friend, but even with my crap speeds if you can't wait a hour or two I dunno what to tell ya... Wait till Friday? (which is more than 2hr BTW)

Bobo Decosta

Aug 25, 2009, 08:39 PM

I really don't get why people doubted it was the GM. It was very obvious this was the GM and what's up with people reporting bugs. Still have to find the first bug. I think most people reporting bugs are not very tech savy. Oh yes me too experienced some irregularities but using your brain could fix all those bugs. In my case turning of techtool pro fixed all my "bugs"

lm57400

Aug 25, 2009, 08:41 PM

what does a picture of a snow leopard have to do with apple or osx? i bet the leopard is think wtf.. lol

Nothing, except that all Versions of OS X were called "Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Tiger, Leopard..." ;-) Now it's the first time that Apple shows the animal. I like it.

brianmcdoogle

Aug 25, 2009, 08:43 PM

Harmless Abuse

Aug 25, 2009, 08:44 PM

that's what i'm taking about. kinda slow :(D= WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS SLOW!?!?!

I get 10mbps download 2mbps upload, and I think that's amazingly fast.

Jesus I didn't even know there was a speed that fast available except for some fiberoptics maybe?

D= I'mma move there, damn!

3mbps download speeds are great, you'd be done downloading in a couple of hours though I don't condone piracy. It's just that it really isn't slow.

gdhnz

Aug 25, 2009, 08:45 PM

For those wondering how to get the Pro settings in Quicktime 7, considering there's no Quicktime prefs in System Prefs:

Assuming you need to install Quicktime 7. You can export in Quicktime X.

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 08:46 PM

It's nice to know for sure, but I don't see how this changes much. Won't the people who pirate it still be forced to install the retail version Friday? Won't the developer's build no longer work with the Apple Update? Isn't there branding that says it is a developer's build? Even if you have installed A432, you're still going to have to install the retail version Friday in order to have the real version that works, right?
I'm glad people who wanted to know what the retail build was know it, but this doesn't get me my retail disc any sooner than Friday. Friday can't come soon enough! :D

No. if you have 10A432 you have WHAT IS ON THE DISK. Nothing is different, they don't say oh here is the developer 10A432 look good? oh ok.... now lets change all this **** and send it out without testing... oops focked something up? my bad....

They test the actual version that is going to be pressed onto the disk exactly as is.

So they are running exactly what you will get on Friday, hopefully they DO go buy it though... I would... and have ;-)

Cozmo85

Aug 25, 2009, 08:46 PM

john7jr

Aug 25, 2009, 08:49 PM

It's nice to know for sure, but I don't see how this changes much. Won't the people who pirate it still be forced to install the retail version Friday? Won't the developer's build no longer work with the Apple Update? Isn't there branding that says it is a developer's build? Even if you have installed A432, you're still going to have to install the retail version Friday in order to have the real version that works, right?
I'm glad people who wanted to know what the retail build was know it, but this doesn't get me my retail disc any sooner than Friday. Friday can't come soon enough! :D

What on Earth are you talking about. Developers who have 10a432 do have the final. The exact same version that people will get starting friday (and apparently sooner.)

Only the Server version is actually tied to a serial number that will eventually expire, but not on Friday.

toughboy

Aug 25, 2009, 08:49 PM

Two reasons:

1) Point of diminishing returns -- sometimes better just to get on with the program and move towards maintenance mode
2) September is already jam-packed with announcements?

Plus there is no better response than the response of the actual users who buy the pack and use it in real life. Delaying it until September only provides more developer response which I'm sure they got enough of until today..

brianmcdoogle

Aug 25, 2009, 08:51 PM

spillproof

Aug 25, 2009, 08:51 PM

I guess that is the other perk of being a beta tester, this time around.

beginnersview

Aug 25, 2009, 08:52 PM

Nice package pics. :)
wondering why he did not include some shots of the build though. :confused: :/

I have the same question,,, while I certainly appreciate the pics of the box and docs -- Thank you pedro10 -- they do not constitute "proof" of version build number.

That would require a photo of the dvd installer disk with Apple version number imprint on it.

Cozmo85

Aug 25, 2009, 08:53 PM

Ivan P

Aug 25, 2009, 08:54 PM

D= WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS SLOW!?!?!

I get 10mbps download 2mbps upload, and I think that's amazingly fast.

Jesus I didn't even know there was a speed that fast available except for some fiberoptics maybe?

D= I'mma move there, damn!

3mbps download speeds are great, you'd be done downloading in a couple of hours though I don't condone piracy. It's just that it really isn't slow.

Dude, come live where I am, 28kbs at the most, 32kbs if I'm lucky! And that's apparently "broadband"...Australian style. :p

tekio

Aug 25, 2009, 08:56 PM

leesmith2

Aug 25, 2009, 08:57 PM

Nothing, except that all Versions of OS X were called "Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Tiger, Leopard..." ;-) Now it's the first time that Apple shows the animal. I like it.
So the table has been set! Version 10.7 will be nicknamed Cougar and feature a photo of Demi Moore on the box. ;)

ayeying

Aug 25, 2009, 08:57 PM

Noo.. They didn't fix my bluetooth bug =[

john7jr

Aug 25, 2009, 08:57 PM

Well, it still just seems like a possible bag of hurt for those now rushing to torrent the thing just to get it early. Can't the build number be manipulated? And couldn't someone have embedded it with a virus or something like that iwork or ilife thing a while back? I dunno.

Yes, they could.

I guess that is the other perk of being a beta tester, this time around.

There is a difference between being a "beta tester" (Which is not what we're talking about, although Apple does have an "AppleSeed" program for that) and paying $500 for these kind of exclusive developer resources.

I have the same question,,, while I certainly appreciate the pics of the box and docs -- Thank you pedro10 -- they do not constitute "proof" of version build number.

That would require a photo of the dvd installer disk with Apple version number imprint on it.

Apple doesn't put build numbers on the discs. There is a disc version number, but it's not the OS build number.

Maclver

Aug 25, 2009, 08:58 PM

So the table has been set! Version 10.7 will be nicknamed Cougar and feature a photo of Demi Moore on the box. ;)

LOL....

Krafty

Aug 25, 2009, 08:58 PM

Dude, come live where I am, 28kbs at the most, 32kbs if I'm lucky! And that's apparently "broadband"...Australian style. :p
http://www.speedtest.net/result/548587350.png
~300kbps down, and like 50kbps up.

Oh well, college campus in 2 weeks.

DUSTmurph

Aug 25, 2009, 08:59 PM

People can easily compare it to the apple file to make sure it hasn't been modified. unless you think apple put a virus in it.

That would be funny on Apples part if they did that. Releasing a version onto the torrent sites that bricks your computer when you try to install it. Come on Apple, hire me. I'm full of good ideas!

acidfast7

Aug 25, 2009, 09:01 PM

Dude, come live where I am, 28kbs at the most, 32kbs if I'm lucky! And that's apparently "broadband"...Australian style. :p

doesn't seem so bad down under

Ensoniq

Aug 25, 2009, 09:02 PM

Can anyone confirm or deny that Quicktime X will play MPEG2 video and audio WITHOUT the need for Apple's extra-cost MPEG2 codec? Thanks!

Michael73

Aug 25, 2009, 09:02 PM

I ordered SL yesterday (family pack) on Apple's website and today I get an email from the makers of Reunion (a Mac specific genealogy program) that there are some incompatibilities with SL and that next week they'll be releasing an update with fixes and, "If you use Reunion regularly, we advise you to delay the installation of Snow Leopard until you download and install the free Reunion update, version 9.0a." Are you kidding me?!? The wife and kids are off to the lake house this weekend, I have the whole house to myself and I have to sit here salivating over a copy of SL and NOT install it. UGH!!!!!

tekio

Aug 25, 2009, 09:02 PM

That would be funny on Apples part if they did that. Releasing a version onto the torrent sites that bricks your computer when you try to install it. Come on Apple, hire me. I'm full of good ideas!

Good way for apple to loose customers.

r.j.s

Aug 25, 2009, 09:03 PM

kidtronix

Aug 25, 2009, 09:05 PM

kind of disappointing considering the bugs.

but i know apple has in the past release .1 practically on the eve of release.

DUSTmurph

Aug 25, 2009, 09:05 PM

Good way for apple to loose customers.

I wasn't being completely serious

MarkCooz

Aug 25, 2009, 09:05 PM

Anyone who has 10a432 could do that. The box pics make him more of a trusted source. You and I are just bozos with a beta. :p

if we're still on beta, then what difference did apple make?
like can't we just keep our version of '10A432'? and then upgrade to future updates like 10.6.1?
lol
But i really still wanna buy SNOW LEOPARD on FRI!

Tallest Skil

Aug 25, 2009, 09:05 PM

Good way for apple to loose customers.

No, not really. It would be blamed on the person who uploaded the torrent.

khurrram

Aug 25, 2009, 09:05 PM

I've been using Snow Leopard 10A432 for over a couple of weeks. I'd gladly like to answer any questions that you may have.

I'll point out little things that I've noticed, and how it has been on two of my machines. More of that later, for now I have a couple of things that I've found rather disappointing at least to my expectations.

Now, I haven't followed any of the arguments over these two things in this forums at great details, I've skimmed through few posts here and there but I haven't found any satisfying reasoning yet.

Now, I do understand that personal expectations are different to what general public and Apple's hardware road map is made of, before I'm made aware of it.

My two disappoints are related to 64 bit kernel, OpenCL along with Quicktime X h.264 hardware acceleration. First of all, my 24" Aluminium iMac Model 7.1 (Late 2007) doesn't run 64 bit kernel at all. All the processes are running in 64 bit apart from the kernel. And holding down 6 and 4 doesn't load up 64 bit kernel either.

And my iMac has ATI Radeon 2600HD, clearly there is no mention of any kind of support for OpenCL along with Quicktime X h.264 hardware acceleration. With these two things, I do feel a bit left out on the Snow Leopard party on my top of the range iMac which I bought about a year and 9 months ago.

At the same time, my MacBook Pro Model 4.1 (Early 2008) 2.4 which loads 64 bit kernel just fine as it should, which I bought four months later. Although I have nVidia Geforce 8600M GT, which loses out on the hardware acceleration for h.264, although has support for OpenCL.

Overall, Snow Leopard certainly is refined, and feels solid. But I feel a bit disappointed with patchy hardware selection for different features on Apple's part.

I mean, is my hardware not capable of doing so or just Apple being picky? If I correctly remember, when I looked up the tech specs a while ago, both of my graphics cards were capable of native h.264 hardware acceleration. And what's with not being able to run 64 bit kernal on my iMac Model 7.1 with 2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo Extreme?

Oh and any questions about Snow Leopard are welcome.

Cheers.

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 09:06 PM

Good way for apple to loose customers.

LOL... the customers who steal their products?

dbwie

Aug 25, 2009, 09:06 PM

tekio

Aug 25, 2009, 09:07 PM

No, not really. It would be blamed on the person who uploaded the torrent.

Things never stay a secret, eventually people would find out.

LOL... the customers who steal their products?

The customers who buy apple's expensive hardware.

creon

Aug 25, 2009, 09:08 PM

Looks like pedro has a website...you can see it in the top right corner of the last pic.

Neotyguy40

Aug 25, 2009, 09:09 PM

If there is anyone who has SL already, can they please put a link up for that new background that comes with it? Preferably in a 1680x1050 resolution...

I just want that new background :D

iVoid

Aug 25, 2009, 09:09 PM

No special effects on the box?

The DVD is in a clear plastic sleeve?

This has to be a joke from Apple, what slapdash and cheap packaging. :mad:

Well, they are only selling this for $29 and not the $129 they charged for Leopard. They had to save a little somewhere.

john7jr

Aug 25, 2009, 09:10 PM

if we're still on beta, then what difference did apple make?
like can't we just keep our version of '10A432'? and then upgrade to future updates like 10.6.1?
lol
But i really still wanna buy SNOW LEOPARD on FRI!

I agree, I was just pointing out that the difference between "beta" and "final" was this guy posting unboxing photos of his retail disc. It's all mental. A screen shot means little, but when he has the box he's more trusted than a thousand screenshots of build numbers.

Dragonforce

Aug 25, 2009, 09:10 PM

http://www.speedtest.net/result/548587350.png
~300kbps down, and like 50kbps up.

Oh well, college campus in 2 weeks.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/548592352.png

Wins :D

meh, why are we posting Speedtest results now ? :confused:

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 09:10 PM

The customers who buy apple's expensive hardware.

So buy the hardware get the OS free for life? hmm.. What about those who Hackintosh so when they steal SL give Apple $0 for all that work.

DUSTmurph

Aug 25, 2009, 09:11 PM

Oh and any questions about Snow Leopard are welcome.

Cheers.

What do snow leopards eat?

gikku

Aug 25, 2009, 09:13 PM

why does it matter what the GM version is? BT is too slow of a protocol to download stuff anyways.

serious?
it's faster than waiting for Friday, and I've already had it a week. :apple:

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 09:13 PM

What do snow leopards eat?

HAHAHA

Dragonforce

Aug 25, 2009, 09:13 PM

What do snow leopards eat?

Windows-Ceiling-Cats

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190311&stc=1&d=1251252812

tekio

Aug 25, 2009, 09:14 PM

What about those who Hackintosh so when they steal SL give Apple $0 for all that work.

They were never apple customers in the first place so apple can't loose them :)

THX1139

Aug 25, 2009, 09:15 PM

No special effects on the box?

The DVD is in a clear plastic sleeve?

This has to be a joke from Apple, what slapdash and cheap packaging. :mad:

Yeah, maybe that would have been better so that they could charge $50 instead of $29 to cover the additional packing costs. Of course, then you'd be mad about the price. Some people are never happy, or they complain about the dumbest things.

Take a deep breath and review your priorities. :rolleyes:

bobdard

Aug 25, 2009, 09:15 PM

I have a question: I have SL on order, but if I DL and install 10A432, I should be able to update it when 10.6.1 comes out, right?

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 09:16 PM

They were never apple customers in the first place so apple can't loose them :)

True on losing the customer but not the revenue... anyway is it Friday yet?

Dragonforce

Aug 25, 2009, 09:16 PM

I have a question: I have SL on order, but if I DL and install 10A432, I should be able to update it when 10.6.1 comes out, right?

Yes Sir.

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 09:17 PM

never-mind then :)

Transeau

Aug 25, 2009, 09:18 PM

why does it matter what the GM version is? BT is too slow of a protocol to download stuff anyways.

ROFL

I have two 30M/10M cable modems bonded and i can pull down a DVD at about 50Mbps. I think you need to learn to tune you box.

Krafty

Aug 25, 2009, 09:19 PM

http://www.speedtest.net/result/548592352.png

Wins :D

meh, why are we posting Speedtest results now ? :confused:
The more images we post, the less speculation posts about 10A432 still not being the GM.

fleshman03

Aug 25, 2009, 09:21 PM

Michael73

Aug 25, 2009, 09:22 PM

Go ahead and install it. The family tree doesn't change (additions and deletions) too often! :D

One would think it wouldn't but in my case it's changing all the time however, most likely I'll just wait to make the updates to Reunion in a week or two.

BTW, the reason it's changing is that my grandfather did a bunch of genealogy work in the 1970's and 1980's. He passed away in 2003 and my mother was the executor of the estate. Last year she handed over all these yellowing pages and said, "Maybe you can find a program and put this information in there so it isn't lost." So off I went realizing along the way that most of the information I had was 25+ years old. In that much time tons of people have died, married, had children, divorced, etc. So, in the last year I've used Facebook to track down long lost relatives and in the process I'm regularly getting information on many changes I need to make. At this point I've identified more than 1,500+ relatives and the list is growing all the time ;)

Krafty

Aug 25, 2009, 09:22 PM

Windows-Ceiling-Cats

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190311&stc=1&d=1251252812Even better:

Sambo110

Aug 25, 2009, 09:23 PM

In 48 hours I will most probably be using Snow Leopard. :D.

Dragonforce

Aug 25, 2009, 09:24 PM

The more images we post, the less speculation posts about 10A432 still not being the GM.

Okay, here:

Bobo Decosta

Aug 25, 2009, 09:25 PM

No special effects on the box?

The DVD is in a clear plastic sleeve?

This has to be a joke from Apple, what slapdash and cheap packaging. :mad:

Huh? Have you ever looked at your leopard box after installing it a few years ago? I sure didn't. Couldn't care less what the box look likes.

It's what's inside the box that is important. It's a cliché but still rules. Beauty is on the inside!

tekio

Aug 25, 2009, 09:25 PM

In 48 hours I will most probably be using Snow Leopard. :D.

In 48 hours I'll still be waiting for amazon to post it :(

adomanico18

Aug 25, 2009, 09:26 PM

I could care less about any of this. I got my new mac book pro june 29th and might upgrade later next year if the reviews are positive. Leopard is perfect already.

I hate comments like this....JUST UPGRADE ITS @&$#ING BETTER!!!!

DUSTmurph

Aug 25, 2009, 09:27 PM

Even better:

ONLY $10,000?!?!?!?!? What a steal!

Lets see you download THAT off of a torrent site :cool:

caffeinejoe

Aug 25, 2009, 09:28 PM

Aye aye for Pedro

Vote for Pedro

TripHop

Aug 25, 2009, 09:28 PM

O.K I may be the only one to say this. But the package looks sweet! I really enjoy the design process. Sad I know :DI agree. Best packaging yet - especially that beautiful photograph of that beautiful cat. Wow he is so handsome. Little does he know how world famous he is now. I'd love to know who took the picture and where-when. Snow Leopards are among the most elusive of all animals and rarely encounter human beings.

My box will be delivered Friday. Can you imagine the logistics Apple is doing to make all those deliveries happen Friday? They have got one world class logistics team to pull this off. I'll bet there are over a million deliveries all over the world Friday. Sure would love to be inside Apple to see how they do it. :cool:

Krafty

Aug 25, 2009, 09:28 PM

ONLY $10,000?!?!?!?!? What a steal!

Lets see you download THAT off of a torrent site :cool:
I refuse to buy that until I see a Quad 25Mhz refresh.

dbwie

Aug 25, 2009, 09:29 PM

One would think it wouldn't but in my case it's changing all the time however, most likely I'll just wait to make the updates to Reunion in a week or two.

BTW, the reason it's changing is that my grandfather did a bunch of genealogy work in the 1970's and 1980's. He passed away in 2003 and my mother was the executor of the estate. Last year she handed over all these yellowing pages and said, "Maybe you can find a program and put this information in there so it isn't lost." So off I went realizing along the way that most of the information I had was 25+ years old. In that much time tons of people have died, married, had children, divorced, etc. So, in the last year I've used Facebook to track down long lost relatives and in the process I'm regularly getting information on many changes I need to make. At this point I've identified more than 1,500+ relatives and the list is growing all the time ;)

Oh wow... well, go out and buy a backup drive, clone your internal hard drive to the backup with SuperDuper. Then, upgrade your computers OS to Snow Leopard and have fun. When you need to work in Reunion, boot from your external drive into Leopard and use it. (Trying to help you have an enjoyable weekend!)

DUSTmurph

Aug 25, 2009, 09:32 PM

I refuse to buy that until I see a Quad 25Mhz refresh.

or at least double the RAM to 2MB

RazHyena

Aug 25, 2009, 09:32 PM

Vote for Pedro

He'll make all of your wildest dreams come true. ;)

THX1139

Aug 25, 2009, 09:32 PM

I bet that most of the people that torrented Snow Leopard are glad that the shipping version is version is the same. This means that they won't have to buy it on Friday. :D

ElijahPost

Aug 25, 2009, 09:34 PM

Snow Leopard will be so good for me, since my computer is already sooo slow.

I wonder what 10.7 will be like. Snow Leopard Lays out the groundwork for amazing features to come! We might even see the mythical mystical System XI.

This is the 2nd version of OS X to have packaging that has anything to to with the animal. (Mac OS Jaguar)

Michael73

Aug 25, 2009, 09:34 PM

My two disappoints are related to 64 bit kernel, OpenCL along with Quicktime X h.264 hardware acceleration. First of all, my 24" Aluminium iMac Model 7.1 (Late 2007) doesn't run 64 bit kernel at all. All the processes are running in 64 bit apart from the kernel. And holding down 6 and 4 doesn't load up 64 bit kernel either.

And my iMac has ATI Radeon 2600HD, clearly there is no mention of any kind of support for OpenCL along with Quicktime X h.264 hardware acceleration. With these two things, I do feel a bit left out on the Snow Leopard party on my top of the range iMac which I bought about a year and 9 months ago.

At the same time, my MacBook Pro Model 4.1 (Early 2008) 2.4 which loads 64 bit kernel just fine as it should, which I bought four months later. Although I have nVidia Geforce 8600M GT, which loses out on the hardware acceleration for h.264, although has support for OpenCL.

All I gotta say is that my 15" MBP 5,1 with 9400M and 9600M GT that I got in April and my MP (Early 2008) 2.66 8-Core with nVidia 8800GT better qualify or I'm going to be mad, mad, mad :mad:

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 09:34 PM

I bet that most of the people that torrented Snow Leopard are glad that the shipping version is version is the same. This means that they won't have to buy it on Friday. :D

Wouldn't they just pirate it on Friday instead? (If the build had been different)

I don't get it... if you're gonna buy it, you'll buy it (and might download to play early), if you're gonna pirate, you'll pirate it no matter what.

percival504

Aug 25, 2009, 09:35 PM

No special effects on the box?

The DVD is in a clear plastic sleeve?

This has to be a joke from Apple, what slapdash and cheap packaging. :mad:

I mean come on now... Maybe if you call them up and offer to pay an extra $10-$20 for packaging they'll do something real pretty for you. Hystericallly, laugh out loud funny.

DUSTmurph

Aug 25, 2009, 09:36 PM

I bet that most of the people that torrented Snow Leopard are glad that the shipping version is version is the same. This means that they won't have to buy it on Friday. :D

That smile looks suspicious. I have a feeling you are one of those people you mentioned ;)

tabasco70

Aug 25, 2009, 09:36 PM

hey. the box even gets smaller... it's sad to see the CD is just in a plastic bag...:eek:

Environmentally friendly packaging, AKA less material meaning less costly for Apple

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 09:36 PM

All I gotta say is that my 15" MBP 5,1 with 9400M and 9600M GT that I got in April and my MP (Early 2008) 2.66 8-Core with nVidia 8800GT better qualify or I'm going to be mad, mad, mad :mad:

Qualify for what? I think you get a snow leopard sticker at the Apple store...

THX1139

Aug 25, 2009, 09:37 PM

One would think it wouldn't but in my case it's changing all the time ....

So, in the last year I've used Facebook to track down long lost relatives and in the process I'm regularly getting information on many changes I need to make. At this point I've identified more than 1,500+ relatives and the list is growing all the time ;)

Wow, and I have a hard time keeping up with my immediate family! Seems like a lot of work to find people that might want to borrow money from you. :D

theBigD23

Aug 25, 2009, 09:38 PM

Oh and any questions about Snow Leopard are welcome.

Cheers.

I have a couple of questions:

-Have you tried Screen Sharing between the two SL computers? If so, is Full Screen an option? If you do have dual monitors, is there an issue with switching between the monitors in Full Quality?
-Is networking through the Finder more responsive?
-How is Mail with regards to speed?

Thanks!

MACWhite

Aug 25, 2009, 09:39 PM

we get Apple Stickers in the Box! hahaha

THX1139

Aug 25, 2009, 09:39 PM

That smile looks suspicious. I have a feeling you are one of those people you mentioned ;)

Actually no... I'm waiting for Friday too. I just couldn't find an icon to represent sarcasm. Perhaps I should have used this one :rolleyes: ?

jfanning

Aug 25, 2009, 09:40 PM

Good way for apple to loose customers.

Maybe Apple will just tighten them? Or did you mean lose?

DUSTmurph

Aug 25, 2009, 09:43 PM

Actually no... I'm waiting for Friday too. I just couldn't find an icon to represent sarcasm. Perhaps I should have used this one :rolleyes: ?

Good. I was just about to call my buddy Jobs too. :D

tekio

Aug 25, 2009, 09:45 PM

Maybe Apple will just tighten them? Or did you mean lose?

oops :o

creon

Aug 25, 2009, 09:46 PM

What's apple's obsession with Cats?

Apples Next OS : Sphynx?

andy721

Aug 25, 2009, 09:46 PM

http://www.speedtest.net/result/548587350.png
~300kbps down, and like 50kbps up.

Oh well, college campus in 2 weeks.

I wish my UL speed was faster,

mrsteveman1

Aug 25, 2009, 09:46 PM

Apple doesn't care if people pirate this OS, it was only $29 in the first place, and unless you plan on hackintoshing it, you already paid a substantial amount of money for the hardware (which is what they care about).

They certainly aren't going to go out of their way to piss off customers, intentionally bricking a machine is probably illegal, and even if they just screw with the pirates, a few "SNOW LEOPARD DOESN'T WORK" type rants online and Apple could take a PR hit (which is the other thing they care about).

MikeLord

Aug 25, 2009, 09:46 PM

Dude, come live where I am, 28kbs at the most, 32kbs if I'm lucky! And that's apparently "broadband"...Australian style. :p

http://www.speedtest.net/result/548612835.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Not too shabby for Cox Cable San Diego

andy721

Aug 25, 2009, 09:47 PM

What's apple's obsession with Cats?

Apples Next OS : Sphynx?

I hope not, I wish they get off the whole Cat deal & think of something better up.

robco

Aug 25, 2009, 09:48 PM

Fine, I'll ask it... how does some kind in Spain get a copy of Snow Leopard before the rest of the world?

khurrram

Aug 25, 2009, 09:49 PM

I have a couple of questions:

-Have you tried Screen Sharing between the two SL computers? If so, is Full Screen an option? If you do have dual monitors, is there an issue with switching between the monitors in Full Quality?
-Is networking through the Finder more responsive?
-How is Mail with regards to speed?

Thanks!

1. Screen sharing does not have an options for full screen view. I don't have dual monitors, so I can't comment on that.

2. Finder is certainly more responsive. It also has little animations when ejecting any disks, images, networked drives. It is like a little fade away animation, which is nice.

Although I have noticed that on SL, my usb hard drives have been dropping connection, and then, coming back on again. It happens when they start spinning. They are directly plugged in, so no hub is involved, and they worked perfectly in Leopard. I'm not sure why that happens.

3. Mail is impressive. It is fast and responsive. I don't know if this happened in Leopard or not, but if you configure your Google Mail account in Mail, it automatically configures it with the IMAP settings, which is nice.

4. I know, you haven't asked but just a general note on iChat, it feels solid and for some reason, I find my Jabber connection more reliable than Leopard. Although I miss Chax, as it doesn't work on Snow Leopard as of yet.

Any comments on my hardware from my previous post to clear the air would be nice.

Cheers.

creon

Aug 25, 2009, 09:50 PM

I hope not, I wish they get off the whole Cat deal & think of something better up.

Couldn't agree more. Just don't get the whole cat thing. Cats...really?

Oh well, I will welcome the Snow Leopard warmly into my home on Friday with open arms.

The Samurai

Aug 25, 2009, 09:50 PM

Fine, I'll ask it... how does some kind in Spain get a copy of Snow Leopard before the rest of the world?

I suspect theres been an error with the logistics and I think a lot of people will be getting theirs over the course of the next few days, before the official launch.

Kat King123

Aug 25, 2009, 09:51 PM

we get Apple Stickers in the Box! hahaha

thats worth it i need new ones for my truck anyway :P

SebZen

Aug 25, 2009, 09:52 PM

Fine, I'll ask it... how does some kind in Spain get a copy of Snow Leopard before the rest of the world?

Hahahahah I was wondering the same thing :D

You'd figure someone in California or New York would get it first

RMo

Aug 25, 2009, 09:53 PM

so Quicktime X really does have no preferences to set?

Of course not. Apple knows exactly how you like it. :D

creon

Aug 25, 2009, 09:53 PM

thats worth it i need new ones for my truck anyway :P

Wish they made ones that clung to the inside to be viewed on the outside.
That White sticker gets trashed here in the midlands.

bpd115

Aug 25, 2009, 09:56 PM

is in iChat when doing video chat between two Snow Leopard installs, the audio fails to connect sometimes, requiring multiple hang ups and reconnects.

dmelgar

Aug 25, 2009, 09:56 PM

I'm really wondering why Apple "rushed" this out before their September promise when it seems some are claiming it could use more work. Granted there is always going to be more work to be done, why not take another 2 weeks to do so.

Sometimes Apple confuses me.

Of course I will be at the Apple Store after work to pick up a copy and of course my girl will be pissed when I spend the rest of the night installing with it and playing with the big bad kitty.

So that it would be out before the netbook announcement that Snow Leopard was really written for. Why else would anyone care about making an OS smaller? Unless you're talking about a small mobile device with limited space.

John.B

Aug 25, 2009, 09:58 PM

No default 64bit boot comes to mind
Easy to change this if you're interested: 64bit Kernel in SL (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8344987&postcount=759).

charlituna

Aug 25, 2009, 09:59 PM

hey. the box even gets smaller... it's sad to see the CD is just in a plastic bag...:eek:

the smaller packaging on this and on final cut and logic is part of Apple's environment friendly stance.

I could care less about any of this. I got my new mac book pro june 29th and might upgrade later next year if the reviews are positive. Leopard is perfect already.

given that you qualify for the $9.95 up to date program why not go ahead and get SL and boot it on an external and see which is better

I have the same question,,, while I certainly appreciate the pics of the box and docs -- Thank you pedro10 -- they do not constitute "proof" of version build number.

That would require a photo of the dvd installer disk with Apple version number imprint on it.

which can be photoshopped, as can an alleged screenshot

I ordered SL yesterday (family pack) on Apple's website and today I get an email from the makers of Reunion (a Mac specific genealogy program) that there are some incompatibilities with SL and that next week they'll be releasing an update with fixes and, "If you use Reunion regularly, we advise you to delay the installation of Snow Leopard until you download and install the free Reunion update, version 9.0a."

or simply be aware that you will have to hold off on updates for a few days

I hope not, I wish they get off the whole Cat deal & think of something better up.

I have it on good authority that they were going to go with dogs but microsoft was already doing that.

seems that Vista was actually code name Chihuahua. they had a whole ad campaign planned but had to call it off when Taco Bell threatened to sue them for the use of the line "Yo Quiero Windows"

localoid

Aug 25, 2009, 10:02 PM

What about those who Hackintosh so when they steal SL give Apple $0 for all that work.

FYI: Many "who Hackintosh" have paid for a retail copy of Leopard for their Hackintosh machines and many who have built Hackintosh machines also purchase and pay for real Macs. And many Hackintoshers also buy expensive software package made by Apple, such as Logic Pro and/or Final Cut Pro, to use on their machines.

lex750

Aug 25, 2009, 10:04 PM

I hope this is not 10.6 (10A432) in action.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/08/geniusbarnew.jpg

belltree

Aug 25, 2009, 10:08 PM

I wonder what sort of compensation they offer to the handsome Snow Leopard model on the cover. :confused: :apple:

rth231

Aug 25, 2009, 10:08 PM

we get Apple Stickers in the Box! hahaha
I'm only buying Snow Leopard because of the Apple stickers.

rgarjr

Aug 25, 2009, 10:10 PM

I wonder what sort of compensation they offer to the handsome Snow Leopard model on the cover. :confused: :apple:

A nice meal maybe? :D

wackymacky

Aug 25, 2009, 10:10 PM

mgridgaway

Aug 25, 2009, 10:12 PM

Since we have a confirmed GM, it'll be interesting to see how fast they can put out 10.6.1. They've already had an additional two weeks or so to work on it since it went to the press, so my best guess would be some time at the end of September. Maybe even mid.

Edit: They released 10.5 on 10/26 and had 10.5.1 out 11/15. So it could definitely be fast.

Michael73

Aug 25, 2009, 10:17 PM

Qualify for what? I think you get a snow leopard sticker at the Apple store...

That both my systems will be able to take advantage of full 64bit support and OpenCL. I'm hoping that I see a lot improvement on my MP with the deployment of GrandCentral Dispatch since it has 8 cores.

What I'd like to see is some SL bench tests of the 8800GT versus the aftermarket GTX 285 (http://store.apple.com/us/product/TW387ZM/A) that was recently added to the Apple Store. I've been thinking about buying it for the performance gain in SL using OpenCL.

Wow, and I have a hard time keeping up with my immediate family! Seems like a lot of work to find people that might want to borrow money from you. :D

Hahaha. :D It's really a trip to learn about all these people and their lives and then to find out they're related. In fact, with the discovery of all this family, some people are trying to plan a family reunion in Orlando, FL during the summer of 2011. Imagine people coming from Europe, the US, Canada, East Asia and the Middle East?!? Every once in a while I think, "Holy cr*p! What if I meet these people and I really don't like them? Then what?!?" :confused:

SiriusVector

Aug 25, 2009, 10:19 PM

Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiSxJwB29R8&feature=fvw close to 4:35. Dock menu for System Preferences. Is that new?

gianly1985

Aug 25, 2009, 10:19 PM

No. if you have 10A432 you have WHAT IS ON THE DISK. Nothing is different, they don't say oh here is the developer 10A432 look good? oh ok.... now lets change all this **** and send it out without testing... oops focked something up? my bad....

They test the actual version that is going to be pressed onto the disk exactly as is.

This makes a lot of sense to me.
The moment the release date of 28 August was announced, it became 100% sure that 10A432 was the GM, because there was not enough time to seed another version, get feedback from testers and print all the retail DVDs.
So how can some people still doubt? Why do we need a Spanish kid to tell us that? I mean, suppose 10A432 is not the GM, then what? How could another version get seeded, tested, printed and distributed in time for next fryday??

bozz2006

Aug 25, 2009, 10:20 PM

pilotError

Aug 25, 2009, 10:22 PM

Stellarola - Go ahead and give all the haters on the other thread an "I told you so"!

Billy Boo Bob

Aug 25, 2009, 10:22 PM

Well, I loaded up a GM that was "out there", but there's one more thing that I hope they changed. Or perhaps the web access for this will change come Friday...

Most of the new docs in XCode are locked out without a Select or Premier dev account. I'm anxious to see what they've changed in AppleScript Cocoa access (replacing AppleScript Studio), and to see some getting started tutorials.

Even though that could be changed with a different install script that might not effect the build number, first load of new docs will probably be http based so it might just require a change of access on the servers.

creon

Aug 25, 2009, 10:24 PM

The people that doubt are the ones that have no clue about software development. This means they are the ones that stole the developers build and are paranoid that this stolen copy won't work like an actual purchased copy. i'm sick of this.

agree. just buy the damn thing. reminds me when the torrents of iLife '09 were flying around and with them were also trojans.

zerostar

Aug 25, 2009, 10:27 PM

FYI: Many "who Hackintosh" have paid for a retail copy of Leopard for their Hackintosh machines and many who have built Hackintosh machines also purchase and pay for real Macs. And many Hackintoshers also buy expensive software package made by Apple, such as Logic Pro and/or Final Cut Pro, to use on their machines.

Yes I know this, and think its the right thing to do. I did the same with my Dell D630 but it was no Mac Book so I eventually got a real one ;)

As for towers... yeah once they get SL running on the i7's nicely (if they don't yet!) I was thinking about a new FCP box... but then I might have a hard time with on-site support... LOL

iVoid

Aug 25, 2009, 10:28 PM

A nice meal maybe? :D

Yeah, the photographer. :)

Bevz

Aug 25, 2009, 10:37 PM

Neotyguy40

Aug 25, 2009, 10:44 PM

Can anyone get me that new desktop background from SL? Preferably in a 1680x1050 resolution. Please?

shakenmartini

Aug 25, 2009, 10:46 PM

Looking forward to Friday :)

I just hope in the future when apple set the 64bit kernel to boot as default they think of all of us with 64bit machines but 32bit EFIs (2006 macpro in my case) and give us a 64bit EFI update so we can run the new kernel...

This isn't windows where 64-bit was needed to address memory over 3.5 gigs.

Regular leopard already can address more than 3.5 gigs of memory

64-bit really only makes a difference on OSX SL when you do some major number crunching and addressing memory over 32 gigs.

For 99.9% of the stuff a consumer does with Leopard or Snow Leopard, they will not even notice the difference since 64-bit apps run just fine (no emulation). The OSX system design is somewhat better implemented than windows, so it really doesn't matter if the kernel is 64-bit, 64-bit apps can still run and they can access all the memory they need (I think the limit is exabytes?).

sam10685

Aug 25, 2009, 10:48 PM

you obviously care if you posted here.

Why wouldn't you want a more optimized OS? that would increase speed and security for $29.

Come friday, there'll be loads of complaints about how this is a horrible upgrade even at 29 bucks. Just watch.

gmcalpin

Aug 25, 2009, 10:48 PM

FAKE. I want to see screenshots and screen-capped video, and even then I won't believe it.

:)

ast03

Aug 25, 2009, 10:53 PM

doesn't seem so bad down under

is this fast? lol idk what these mean..

jaw04005

Aug 25, 2009, 10:53 PM

What's apple's obsession with Cats?

Apples Next OS : Sphynx?

I hope not, I wish they get off the whole Cat deal & think of something better up.

It's not really an obsession. It started off as the codename for Mac OS X 10.1 and developed into a marketing scheme after Jobs revealed 10.2 Jaguar (or jagwire as he pronounced it). They've stuck with it ever since as a differentiator.

Would you prefer ME (for Millennium Edition), XP (for eXPerience), Longhorn or Vista?

Out of the cat trademarks left, Apple has yet to use Lynx and Cougar. However, both trademarks have lapsed (although I would imagine you could get them back easily enough). There's also Lion, which I don't believe is trademarked.

Let's just hope 10.7 is feature packed at not "Clouded Leopard."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_cat

Funny Mac OS X codename keynote moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-1y9ouqec#t=01m43s

benborman

Aug 25, 2009, 10:56 PM

Can anyone get me that new desktop background from SL? Preferably in a 1680x1050 resolution. Please?

Here (http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/07/14293/). Take your pick!

sam10685

Aug 25, 2009, 10:57 PM

I hate comments like this....JUST UPGRADE ITS @&$#ING BETTER!!!!

I hate comments like this... IF YOU'RE SO @&$#ING EXCITED, UPGRADE YOURSELF AND I WILL LISTEN TO ALL THE REASON'S IT'S NOT THAT GREAT!!!!!

TripHop

Aug 25, 2009, 10:57 PM

Can anyone get me that new desktop background from SL? Preferably in a 1680x1050 resolution. Please?Do it yourself HERE (http://lifehacker.com/5344094/grab-mac-os-x-snow-leopards-wallpaper-for-your-desktop). :D

Eidorian

Aug 25, 2009, 10:57 PM

S3rgin

Aug 25, 2009, 11:00 PM

I am one the thousand ones that downloaded the "GM 10A432" and honestly I feel quite disappointed that it turned out to be the real GM version.

Sure the system is really fast, there is no denying but it has some small glitches that you wonder how come that Apple let them slip through.

For instance if you set the stack folder "Applications" to "View content as Grid" and open that stacker folder you are going to see that the "Open in Finder" icon has no anti-aliasing at all, but the same does not happen on other stackers like Documents or Downloads.

It is not a big deal but it is kind of annoying.

Other glitch related to stackers is that when you click a folder inside of a stacker view sometimes that folder open immediately and sometimes it "blinks" for a moment then it opens.

Other very annoying glitch is the iDisk icon on the menu bar. Every time you login the icon shows up asking for you to login on mobile me even though you have not created an account. The only way to stop it from happening is to manually remove the icon out of the menu bar.

Let's not forget the "empty" button on the trash. It looks weird, almost like it has not been completed or it is out of shape if you know what I mean.

Exposé feels weird. It does not work right compared to Leopard Exposé.

I could go on and say a lot of things that I feel that does not work right, but that is my opinion.

Am I going to buy Snow Leopard on Friday? Hell yeah. But I really hope a 10.6.1 comes right after the OS release just to correct those small glitches.

One thing I can tell you guys, rest assured that the OS is really fast and so far I haven't had any crash whatsoever. It is rock solid!

Cheers.

ghostface147

Aug 25, 2009, 11:12 PM

No special effects on the box?

The DVD is in a clear plastic sleeve?

This has to be a joke from Apple, what slapdash and cheap packaging. :mad:

What did you expect for 29 bucks? :D

fpnc

Aug 25, 2009, 11:13 PM

Looking forward to Friday :)
I just hope in the future when apple set the 64bit kernel to boot as default they think of all of us with 64bit machines but 32bit EFIs (2006 macpro in my case) and give us a 64bit EFI update so we can run the new kernel...
Never going to happen. I'm in the same boat but have accepted that my Mac Pro will never have the 64-bit EFI or the ability to boot the kernel in 64-bit mode. Anyway, for the time being it will probably be a small loss as most will probably need to run the 32-bit kernel until third-parties update their kexts to run in 64-bit mode.

The bigger issue is video card support. I doubt that my first generation, Intel Mac Pro will ever have the ability to use a GPU that offers hardware support for H264 decode or OpenCL and that's a real bummer.

Krafty

Aug 25, 2009, 11:15 PM

Can anyone get me that new desktop background from SL? Preferably in a 1680x1050 resolution. Please?
Which one?

chasemac

Aug 25, 2009, 11:15 PM

SL should better deliver in some way with 64 bit. I feel that I been sold on it since the G5 and it ain't supported. For $29 I don't expect much.

mbprouser

Aug 25, 2009, 11:22 PM

Here's my question regarding services: On this page, http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/ it's claiming that you can right click in any app and a services menu will pop up. However, I don't get that with 10A432. I've tried several apps, TextEdit, Safari, Mail, etc and nothing showed up. However, going to the application menu and select Services. Am I missing something?

Bevz

Aug 25, 2009, 11:23 PM

This isn't windows where 64-bit was needed to address memory over 3.5 gigs.

Regular leopard already can address more than 3.5 gigs of memory

64-bit really only makes a difference on OSX SL when you do some major number crunching and addressing memory over 32 gigs.

For 99.9% of the stuff a consumer does with Leopard or Snow Leopard, they will not even notice the difference since 64-bit apps run just fine (no emulation). The OSX system design is somewhat better implemented than windows, so it really doesn't matter if the kernel is 64-bit, 64-bit apps can still run and they can access all the memory they need (I think the limit is exabytes?).

SL is not the final goal in apples transition to 64bit computing. Leopard started the ball rolling with 64 bit memory addressing, now comes SL with a big step forward and lays the ground work ready for a full 64bit implementation. However SL is still a transitional stage with a 32bit kernel etc... I'm looking forward to all the true 64bit apps that come packaged with SL but I am also a geek... I'd like to know if apple has a place for my macpro in the final stage of their 64bit transition or wether I am gonna have to replace my hardware which seems a shame as it has a 64bit processor, just not a 64bit EFI... surely they can fix that with an EFI upgrade? Or perhaps more accurate to ask will they want to?

DMann

Aug 25, 2009, 11:28 PM

Can anyone get me that new desktop background from SL? Preferably in a 1680x1050 resolution. Please?
Is this the one you're asking for?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3187/snowleoparddefaultdeskt.jpg

Bevz

Aug 25, 2009, 11:28 PM

Never going to happen. I'm in the same boat but have accepted that my Mac Pro will never have the 64-bit EFI or the ability to boot the kernel in 64-bit mode. Anyway, for the time being it will probably be a small loss as most will probably need to run the 32-bit kernel until third-parties update their kexts to run in 64-bit mode.

The bigger issue is video card support. I doubt that my first generation, Intel Mac Pro will ever have the ability to use a GPU that offers hardware support for H264 decode or OpenCL and that's a real bummer.

Yeah i'm guessing the same about the EFI :(

I take your point about the kexts... I guess It'll be a while before apple are confident about defaulting to a 64bit kernel anyway.

I feel your pain with graphics card... I've got the ATI X1900XT and I've resigned myself to the fact that will never be used by OpenCL or used for video decoding... Seems such a shame though... All that power... :(

Anyway, I don't want to sound too negative.... Snow Leopard sounds a good leap forward so roll on Friday... :)

jav6454

Aug 25, 2009, 11:30 PM

Good way for apple to loose customers.

You are supposed to buy the software, not steal it. Have some logic man.

andy721

Aug 25, 2009, 11:31 PM

What did you expect for 29 bucks? :D

Well the package doesn't do jack for the computer other then sit there an look like a piece of paper with writing on it.

What do you do with the boxsets anyways?

Do you display them in your room or you just wish they fork over more trees to make a nice looking box. Our world is coming to an end sorry but it's true we need to use less as possible and I hate to sound like a dirty hippie even though I am not a hippie. Just being realist.

andy721

Aug 25, 2009, 11:32 PM

You are supposed to buy the software, not steal it. Have some logic man.

He spelled Lose wrong.

sockdoggy

Aug 25, 2009, 11:34 PM

FAKE. I want to see screenshots and screen-capped video, and even then I won't believe it.

:)

Those of us who have been around since 4K78 I think knew 10A432 would be the GM. Probably the most solid point-zero release to date (on the flip-side probably the least improved feature-wise).

And I would've been shocked if the upgrade version was only compatible with Leopard loaded Macs.

Newbies.... (wait, am I still classified as a MR newbie? :P)

andy721

Aug 25, 2009, 11:34 PM

Yeah i'm guessing the same about the EFI :(

I feel your pain with graphics card... I've got the ATI X1900XT and I've resigned myself to the fact that will never be used by OpenCL or used for video decoding... Seems such a shame though... All that power... :(

My EFI is 64bit only had to adjust some plist to enable 64bit Kernel.

macintoshtoffy

Aug 25, 2009, 11:35 PM

I have 10a432 so... it's retail... or they changed something minor??

If they had changed somethign then it would have been rebuilt and it would have a different build number.

so Quicktime X really does have no preferences to set?

Its not meant to be; it is a stripped down player/recorder - anything more complex you can use one of the many third party applications which utilise the QuickTime framework.

Even though this is truly the GM, I still want to buy the OS!

Of course, I am going to as well; I have the 10A432 on DL DVD but I'll still purchase the box set.

I agree. There was a post on Gizmodo the other day complaining about the packaging, but previous versions of OS 10 were simple X's. This is cool looking.

Quite honestly - those complaining are idiots. Snow Leopard bring the box inline with the rest of their product line when compared to iWork and iLife.

Ah oh, weren't people experiencing problems with this build?

No default 64bit boot comes to mind

People whining about the lack of 64bit boot and kernel were idiots - they ignored all the advice and continued to lie through their teeth believing that Steve will spontaneously pull a 64bit kernel out of his ass. I honestly wish people realised the limits of their knowledge instead of assuming that they are smarter than developers at Apple.

What is even worse is when people here spend time explaining the situation, idiots then go onto other threads and spew their ignorance.

I sure hope all of the people who walked around spewing "10A432 isn't the GM" like they were some type of expert feel incredibly stupid and **** from now on.

For me, I was 95% sure it was 10A432 - I guess the last 5% was hopeing that maybe a couple of the bugs I've had trouble with would have been fixed. Oh well, 10.6.1 will probably be out soon.

Two reasons:

1) Point of diminishing returns -- sometimes better just to get on with the program and move towards maintenance mode
2) September is already jam-packed with announcements?

Makes sense regarding point (2) - I'm sure Apple doesn't want the Snow Leopard release to over shadow the media event in September 7 or the media even over shadow Snow Leopards launch.

He DID a fresh install with the upgrade disk...
http://twitter.com/pedro10

I guess they're assuming end users will 'do the right thing' with the boxed set being so compelling that they'll go for it (considering that the iLife included with Tiger restoration cds would be too old and possibly won't run on Snow Leopard).

No special effects on the box?

The DVD is in a clear plastic sleeve?

This has to be a joke from Apple, what slapdash and cheap packaging. :mad:

Who gives a toss - its a damn CD box; build a bridge and get over it. My god, I swear people here are so damn shallow.

YES this. Why just a mere few hours ago they were swearing up and down 10A432 wasn't GM... haha

I think some of the same people swore you needed the "full box set" to upgrade from 10.4, but that isn't so either... just as I said, there is ONE version of 10.6. ONE. you get the same thing in the $29 and the same thing in the box set. Both will install on a 100% bare machine.

Surprise... 10A432 could apparently install with NO other OS present, this "GM" disk is 100% the same. Hopefully now we can put all that to rest.

As far as packaging I think they are just toning it down a bit with SL. They posted the GM days/week ago without second thought, that leaked easily... they were sloppy letting out info and boxes and drop-in discs too. It's just not some huge "month-long" countdown, fanfare, party-worthy OS for Apple.

As for me, its FAST as all heck and will be really nice in a few updates, but I am ready for the bitching in a few days about "is this IT?" "What's new?!?" etc, etc, from all the newbs. It'll still be a fun un-boxing and install for me! Gardens Mall here I come!!

Maybe they realised it is rather stupid having to create multiple versions - I guess commonsense has won out in the end :)

I really don't get why people doubted it was the GM. It was very obvious this was the GM and what's up with people reporting bugs. Still have to find the first bug. I think most people reporting bugs are not very tech savy. Oh yes me too experienced some irregularities but using your brain could fix all those bugs. In my case turning of techtool pro fixed all my "bugs"

Most of the people reporting bugs are running third party crapware or did upgrades. As soon as a person mentions, "and I upgraded", everything from that moment forward I ignore. They created their own problems for which I have no sympathy for.

Well, it still just seems like a possible bag of hurt for those now rushing to torrent the thing just to get it early. Can't the build number be manipulated? And couldn't someone have embedded it with a virus or something like that iwork or ilife thing a while back? I dunno.

Don't download off dodgy trackers; guess where these trojans were distributed by? torrents originally stated on the pirate bay. If you're stupid enough to download torrents off pirate bay, mininova or some other public tracker, you deserve all the hardship and pain that comes with the territory.

I belong to several closed, private torrent trackers and there has never been an out break of trojans or virus's simply because if a person does do it, they're booted out and all their torrents are deleted. To rely on public trackers, you're basically walking around with a target on your chest.

Noo.. They didn't fix my bluetooth bug =[

Have you applied the Bluetooth firmware updates provided?

Can anyone confirm or deny that Quicktime X will play MPEG2 video and audio WITHOUT the need for Apple's extra-cost MPEG2 codec? Thanks!

Nope - why would you want to use it anyway? get a copy of VLC and it does all what is required.

Come friday, there'll be loads of complaints about how this is a horrible upgrade even at 29 bucks. Just watch.

Of course, but those who do it are the same idiots who had problems with 10.5 because they had crap like 'Unsanity Application Enhancer' installed.

I am one the thousand ones that downloaded the "GM 10A432" and honestly I feel quite disappointed that it turned out to be the real GM version.

Sure the system is really fast, there is no denying but it has some small glitches that you wonder how come that Apple let them slip through.

For instance if you set the stack folder "Applications" to "View content as Grid" and open that stacker folder you are going to see that the "Open in Finder" icon has no anti-aliasing at all, but the same does not happen on other stackers like Documents or Downloads.

It is not a big deal but it is kind of annoying.

Other glitch related to stackers is that when you click a folder inside of a stacker view sometimes that folder open immediately and sometimes it "blinks" for a moment then it opens.

Other very annoying glitch is the iDisk icon on the menu bar. Every time you login the icon shows up asking for you to login on mobile me even though you have not created an account. The only way to stop it from happening is to manually remove the icon out of the menu bar.

Let's not forget the "empty" button on the trash. It looks weird, almost like it has not been completed or it is out of shape if you know what I mean.

Exposé feels weird. It does not work right compared to Leopard Exposé.

I could go on and say a lot of things that I feel that does not work right, but that is my opinion.

Am I going to buy Snow Leopard on Friday? Hell yeah. But I really hope a 10.6.1 comes right after the OS release just to correct those small glitches.

One thing I can tell you guys, rest assured that the OS is really fast and so far I haven't had any crash whatsoever. It is rock solid!

Cheers.

Did you do a clean install - because none of those issues appear on either my iMac or MacBook installation.

applelover13

Aug 25, 2009, 11:41 PM

Is this the one you're asking for?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3187/snowleoparddefaultdeskt.jpg

is there any thing different? Between this and leopard because i don't see difference

geminidown

Aug 25, 2009, 11:42 PM

Well the package doesn't do jack for the computer other then sit there an look like a piece of paper with writing on it.

What do you do with the boxsets anyways?

Do you display them in your room or you just wish they fork over more trees to make a nice looking box. Our world is coming to an end sorry but it's true we need to use less as possible and I hate to sound like a dirty hippie even though I am not a hippie. Just being realist.

More importantly, why does the barcode area of the packaging say MAY? And it was assembled in Ireland? What else of Apple's has been assembled in Ireland?

This stuff has been around for a while apparently, which would make me wonder if the literature inside has also been around that long. Can we match the May timeframe with whatever developer build's look and features with the pictures in the pamphlet.

Kinda makes me think they were gearing up for an earlier than previously promised release, should they have been able to move the OS to GM version sooner than planned.

I'm no developer, but I was also wondering how difficult it would be to add a Cocoa touch layer over the Cocoa layers developed for SL. The new OSX page at Apple's website clouts the Cocoa development on so many aspects of SL. Just a curious observation.

S3rgin

Aug 25, 2009, 11:43 PM

Did you do a clean install - because none of those issues appear on either my iMac or MacBook installation.

Yes I did. Clean install.

Let's just hope that when Friday comes and I install the "box" version all theses issues won't appear anymore, or at least some of them.

macintoshtoffy

Aug 25, 2009, 11:45 PM

Yes I did. Clean install.

Let's just hope that when Friday comes and I install the "box" version all theses issues won't appear anymore, or at least some of them.

What third party applications do you have installed? I've tried to replicate what you stated in your post and it doesn't appear. I have a feeling that the issue is relating to your video drivers rather than the code relating to the dock/finder itself.

Eidorian

Aug 25, 2009, 11:47 PM

is there any thing different? Between this and leopard because i don't see differenceThere's a difference.

jaw04005

Aug 25, 2009, 11:48 PM

Bevz

Aug 25, 2009, 11:49 PM

My EFI is 64bit only had to adjust some plist to enable 64bit Kernel.

mine is an original (2006) macpro and is showing a 32bit kernel, perhaps u have a later model?

ast03

Aug 25, 2009, 11:49 PM

is there any thing different? Between this and leopard because i don't see difference

i think the new SL background looks way better then the leopard background does.. compare then by going back and forth and there is a huge difference..

johata3

Aug 25, 2009, 11:51 PM

Currently I installed the 10A432 on my umbp (2.8GHz). I looked at system preferences and it says that it is under 32 bits. Is everyone else have that on their macs?

macintoshtoffy

Aug 25, 2009, 11:53 PM

Currently I installed the 10A432 on my umbp (2.8GHz). I looked at system preferences and it says that it is under 32 bits. Is everyone else have that on their macs?

It has already been covered a trillion times - ALL MAC'S BOOT BY DEFAULT USING THE 32BIT KERNEL UNLESS THE HARDWARE IS XSERVE.

macshill

Aug 25, 2009, 11:53 PM

Whiny Brits scoff at price: :p

Blighty angry at Snow Leopard exchange rate

http://www.macworld.com/article/142448/apple_exchange_rate.html

Meanwhile some say SL is an EP (epic fail)... fanboys here better put their fingers in their ears and go "la-la-la": :p

Snow Leopard Is a Pale Imitation of Windows 7

http://www.pcworld.com/article/170783/snow_leopard_is_a_pale_imitation_of_windows_7.html

AidenShaw

Aug 25, 2009, 11:57 PM

This isn't windows where 64-bit was needed to address memory over 3.5 gigs.

32-bit Windows server can access 64 GiB, on purely 32-bit CPUs.

64-bit really only makes a difference on OSX SL when you do some major number crunching and addressing memory over 32 gigs.

No Apple supports more than 32 GiB of RAM, so the "over 32 GiB" part's wrong.

10.5 (and 10.6) have significant overhead on kernel calls when running a 64-bit app with a 32-bit kernel. So, it isn't compute crunching that benefits, it's 64-bit applications doing heavy I/O or other kernel calls.

The OSX system design is somewhat better implemented than windows, so it really doesn't matter if the kernel is 64-bit, 64-bit apps can still run and they can access all the memory they need (I think the limit is exabytes?).

If you consider a hybrid, lower-performance solution to be "better implemented" than true 64-bit operating system, OK.

Also, note that Windows x64 will run on any Apple with a Core 2 Duo CPU, but OSX x64 skips quite a few models. That's "better implemented"?

caruso81

Aug 25, 2009, 11:58 PM

I'm sure some won't be pleased with this news, lol. I do suspect that those ones were really looking for errors and glitches, so I probably am unlikely to have any major trouble since my operations are so "on the surface." I'm sure 10.6.1 will resolve the immediate concerns, though. =)

Prepare for a HUGE firestorm. I've been running 10A432 for about four days on two different systems, and it still has pretty significant problems, especially apps under Rosetta. Too many spinning beach balls and frozen apps....even Apple apps.

It does install and boot quickly, though.

S3rgin

Aug 26, 2009, 12:00 AM

What third party applications do you have installed? I've tried to replicate what you stated in your post and it doesn't appear. I have a feeling that the issue is relating to your video drivers rather than the code relating to the dock/finder itself.

I really don't know what the problem may be. I've got a few 3rd apps installed and all of them are Universal since I did not install Rosetta during setup..

One thing that came to my mind is that when I installed Snow Leopard I did it on a small partition on the same HD that Leopard is installed. Maybe it has something to do with it. I don't know, but those visual glitches appears even when I haven't installed a single app nor codecs whatsoever.

Also regarding those visual glitches it does not matter if you use the integrated or the dedicated GPU.

mbprouser

Aug 26, 2009, 12:07 AM

Prepare for a HUGE firestorm. I've been running 10A432 for about four days on two different systems, and it still has pretty significant problems, especially apps under Rosetta. Too many spinning beach balls and frozen apps....even Apple apps.

It does install and boot quickly, though.

Did you enable 64-bit by default? If so, try making it boot back into 32-bit and see if the errors persist. Perhaps Apple is aware of it and disabled 64-bit boot for a reason until 10.6.1 or so is released. Just a thought! :)

dmbfan41

Aug 26, 2009, 12:09 AM

Prepare for a HUGE firestorm. I've been running 10A432 for about four days on two different systems, and it still has pretty significant problems, especially apps under Rosetta. Too many spinning beach balls and frozen apps....even Apple apps.

It does install and boot quickly, though.

i agree. the native apple apps run great. but my third party apps freeze up often. lots of beachballs over here and i only have a few idling apps open. when going safari to word (rosetta) its bad.

DUSTmurph

Aug 26, 2009, 12:10 AM

Someone must have a thing for German armored vehicles up at Apple.

hahaha thats what I always thought of. Up next OS X 10.7 Jagdpather :D

hanschien

Aug 26, 2009, 12:11 AM

Mail.app: Emtpy trash like you do in Finder (command + shift + backspace)

macintoshtoffy

Aug 26, 2009, 12:16 AM

32-bit Windows server can access 64 GiB, on purely 32-bit CPUs.

No one is talking about Windows Server - what is being discussed is Windows client and the fact that many drivers included with Windows Client are not compatible with PAE hence it isn't enabled by default.

No Apple supports more than 32 GiB of RAM, so the "over 32 GiB" part's wrong.

Their Virtual Memory subsystem is 64bit - able to address up to 15TB.

10.5 (and 10.6) have significant overhead on kernel calls when running a 64-bit app with a 32-bit kernel. So, it isn't compute crunching that benefits, it's 64-bit applications doing heavy I/O or other kernel calls.

Pardon - have you actually USED 64bit applications on a 32bit kernel? I've run 64bit applications in a 64bit kernel and 32bit applications on a 64bit kernel. To try and claim there is a spontaneous improvement in performance is ignorance of reality.

If you consider a hybrid, lower-performance solution to be "better implemented" than true 64-bit operating system, OK.

Also, note that Windows x64 will run on any Apple with a Core 2 Duo CPU, but OSX x64 skips quite a few models. That's "better implemented"?

Nice to see you're talking about something you're unqualified to speak about - but hey, that hasn't stopped you in the past.

AidenShaw

Aug 26, 2009, 12:17 AM

Did you enable 64-bit by default? If so, try making it boot back into 32-bit and see if the errors persist. Perhaps Apple is aware of it and disabled 64-bit boot for a reason until 10.6.1 or so is released. Just a thought! :)

Missing drivers and extensions should mean that it won't boot, or some devices don't show up. Maybe some kernel panics if the drivers/extensions are there or flaky.

Wonky application behaviour shouldn't be a symptom, unless the app is doing something funky with a device.

It's funny to see some say that "Apple's 64-bit implementation is wonderful and much better than Windows'", while other people say "make sure that 64-bit is disabled" if someone reports problems! :eek:

mbprouser

Aug 26, 2009, 12:19 AM

Missing drivers and extensions should mean that it won't boot, or some devices don't show up. Maybe some kernel panics if the drivers/extensions are there or flaky.

Wonky application behaviour shouldn't be a symptom, unless the app is doing something funky with a device.

It's funny to see some say that "Apple's 64-bit implementation is wonderful and much better than Windows'", while other people say "make sure that 64-bit is disabled" if someone reports problems! :eek:

I didn't enable 64bit on my machine even though it's capable and I haven't had any problems with third party apps/drivers/prefpanes/etc. That's why I suggested what I did :)

THX1139

Aug 26, 2009, 12:33 AM

thats worth it i need new ones for my truck anyway :P

Message to thieves:

White Apple sticker on car = possible Apple computer inside. :eek:

AidenShaw

Aug 26, 2009, 12:35 AM

No one is talking about Windows Server - what is being discussed is Windows client...

Then people should say "client" or XP or other words to qualify - especially since "XServe" pops up quite frequently. Since many 32-bit versions of Windows support more than 3.5 GiB, it was worth clarifying.

Their Virtual Memory subsystem is 64bit - able to address up to 15TB.

Then the reference to "above 32 GiB" is confusing. If the application VA is 64-bit, then why is the 64-bit kernel better above 32 GiB VA?

(And, most of us know that only a few programs can run with usable performance when the VA in active use exceeds the physical RAM available. Most apps turn "glacial" when forced to page.)

Pardon - have you actually USED 64bit applications on a 32bit kernel? I've run 64bit applications in a 64bit kernel and 32bit applications on a 64bit kernel. To try and claim there is a spontaneous improvement in performance is ignorance of reality.

I did not claim a "spontaneous improvement" - I said that the class of applications most likely to benefit are those doing a lot of system calls. There are many benchmarks and articles describing the performance issues that 10.5 (and 10.6 with 32-bit kernel) have, for example:

In contrast, while 32-bit versions of Linux and Mac OS X give each application its own full 4GB of virtual memory, those addresses share (overlap with) those used by the kernel's own 4GB space. That means the CPU's TLB can't maintain its cached addresses because there's no way distinguish between the two.

Every time the virtual memory system moves between the two address spaces, it has to flush the CPU's TLB. Every 32-bit system call flushes the TLB twice, repeatedly setting the cache back to zero and negating any of the performance it was designed to enable.
...
Snow Leopard will deliver both a 64-bit kernel and a full set of 64-bit bundled apps, erasing the entire TLB flush issue because the new kernel won't have to share any address space, even when running 32-bit apps (below right). This will benefit all 64-bit Mac users with a Core 2 CPU or better, even those lacking a Santa Rosa platform-style chipset, as being able to run 64-bit code and virtual memory is not tied to the amount of addressable system RAM.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/09/04/road_to_snow_leopard_twice_the_ram_half_the_price_64_bits.html

eddiexhart

Aug 26, 2009, 12:38 AM

Stupid question but just curious. I'm currently running the 10A432 Build and well before reading this topic I purchased/pre-ordered my copy of SL. NOW, do you think I'll be able to re-install from the disc on top of the same build?
Clean Install vs. Re-Install. Whatcha think?:p

THX1139

Aug 26, 2009, 12:39 AM

Easy to change this if you're interested: 64bit Kernel in SL (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8344987&postcount=759).

I'm really looking forward to all the threads where people who boot into 64 bit say that it's a piece of crap and doesn't work on their machines. It's off by default for a reason. The average user is not going to benefit from booting into 64 bit; it will actually cause problems if they don't have the drivers. People just gotta have 64 bit cause they think they are missing out on something magical.

iFrodo

Aug 26, 2009, 12:39 AM

It's funny to see some say that "Apple's 64-bit implementation is wonderful and much better than Windows'", while other people say "make sure that 64-bit is disabled" if someone reports problems! :eek:

It's not contradictory. The 64 bits implementation can be a very good one, but Apple (not even Steve Jobs) is not a god, and can't avoid inevitable issues that ALL OS makers face when switching to a 64 bits kernel.

Whatever OS you try with a 64 bits kernel, being Linux, Windows, Mac OS X or <put any OS name with 64 bits kernel available here>, when you use a 64 bits kernel, you must use 64 bits kernel extensions as well (also called kernel modules on Linux), which includes generally drivers, and some low level software features use by some software like, for example, virtualization software (VMWare, Parallels, VirtualBox...).

That's why no OS maker dared to offer 64 bits version by default, some PC manufacturers tried to put 64 bits version of Windows Vista pre-installed on their PC, but guess what? Most users of them asked to get a 32 bits version because the device <name of a device without 64 bits driver> didn't work.

And clearly enabling 64 bits kernel by default on a general consumer OS, for the first version of it having a 64 bits kernel (which is the case of Mac OS X 10.6), would be plainly stupid, except if the OS maker likes to receive device compatibility complains ;).

queshy

Aug 26, 2009, 12:40 AM

THX1139

Aug 26, 2009, 12:44 AM

FYI: Many "who Hackintosh" have paid for a retail copy of Leopard for their Hackintosh machines and many who have built Hackintosh machines also purchase and pay for real Macs. And many Hackintoshers also buy expensive software package made by Apple, such as Logic Pro and/or Final Cut Pro, to use on their machines.

Yeah! And another thing, none of that software is available online as bittorrent, so why would anyone steal.... oh, wait! Crap... nevermind.

shakenmartini

Aug 26, 2009, 12:49 AM

32-bit Windows server can access 64 GiB, on purely 32-bit CPUs.

No Apple supports more than 32 GiB of RAM, so the "over 32 GiB" part's wrong.

10.5 (and 10.6) have significant overhead on kernel calls when running a 64-bit app with a 32-bit kernel. So, it isn't compute crunching that benefits, it's 64-bit applications doing heavy I/O or other kernel calls.

If you consider a hybrid, lower-performance solution to be "better implemented" than true 64-bit operating system, OK.

Yes I am aware of Windows server. MS is capable, but on the desktop they disabled the ability to access more than 3.5 gigs. I have no clue why.

OSX can access 32 gigs in 32-bit mode, but 64-bit is required for efficient access of this memory due to address space overhead, the overhead you are talking about. But unless you are shoving 30 gig hashes into memory like we do, you'd never even notice this.

The computational overhead of the 32-bit kernel with 64-bit app is only for kernel calls. We run Mac Pro's with 32-gigs memory doing intensive number crunching. There is a very small % increase in speed when going 64-bit kernel (the program is 64-bit). For this application where the crunching goes on for 24-30h, a few % in speed increase makes a difference, most of this comes thread management for large data structures in memory from the kernel and why it makes sense to go full 64-bit.

Also, note that Windows x64 will run on any Apple with a Core 2 Duo CPU, but OSX x64 skips quite a few models. That's "better implemented"?
Again, the kernel design of OSX is much different than windows and makes no difference if the kernel is 16-bit, 32-bit or 64-bit unless you have a genuine program that is making extensive kernel calls. If not the program can access its 64-bit registers just fine with little overhead.

But, unless you are doing really intense stuff like we do with our mac pro's there simply is no difference. This was why Leopard was such a great OS design. While windows is dealing with a hard-break to 64-bit, OSX can soft transition and can work simultaneously in both modes with very little/no overhead.

In fact, hardware compatibility argues that 32-bit was a good decision as is the memory loss to increased address space.

Plus, who is surprised by this? Apple has been telling us for a long time that SL would be 32-bit kerneled and 64-bit would be optional. We have used their advice to steer hardware purchases of new Mac Pros and also why we run a few Sun machines. But again, these machines are doing things that no user would ever do on a regular system.

sstoy

Aug 26, 2009, 12:51 AM

Not as excited for SL as I was for Leopard, but still looking forward to trying it out. At $30 it's a steal with all these supposed improvements. I'm glad Apple is trying to avoid the "feature creep".

Does quicktime X allow you to speed up videos to 1.2, 1.3x etc?

unfortunately it does not. it is my only complaint about quicktime x: that you cannot change the playback speed... well that and you cannot access the video and audio streams in order to correct improperly coded videos whose audio gets out of sync with the video.

THX1139

Aug 26, 2009, 12:54 AM

Looking forward to Friday :)

I just hope in the future when apple set the 64bit kernel to boot as default they think of all of us with 64bit machines but 32bit EFIs (2006 macpro in my case) and give us a 64bit EFI update so we can run the new kernel...

I have the same machine and have found out that it's not needed. It doesn't matter if the EFI is 32 or 64 bit cause the machine doesn't run on EFI. It's only for booting and once you get into 64bit mode your good to go. I'm just not sure how the 32bit EFI is going to tell the OS to run in 64bit mode. For that, will probably need some kind small application to initiate it.

idyll

Aug 26, 2009, 01:01 AM

this really won't launch in the 64 bit kernel on my 24" 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo iMac? That's a huge letdown if so..

THX1139

Aug 26, 2009, 01:02 AM

It's not really an obsession. It started off as the codename for Mac OS X 10.1 and developed into a marketing scheme after Jobs revealed 10.2 Jaguar (or jagwire as he pronounced it). They've stuck with it ever since as a differentiator.

Would you prefer ME (for Millennium Edition), XP (for eXPerience), Longhorn or Vista?

Out of the cat trademarks left, Apple has yet to use Lynx and Cougar. However, both trademarks have lapsed (although I would imagine you could get them back easily enough). There's also Lion, which I don't believe is trademarked.

Let's just hope 10.7 is feature packed at not "Clouded Leopard."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_cat

Funny Mac OS X codename keynote moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-1y9ouqec#t=01m43s

What about Cheetah? Actually, Apple should have used that name instead of Snow Leopard because they could have marketed it as The Cat That Runs Faster. Instead, they went with Snow Leopard which probably should have been marketed as Snow Job. ;)

TripHop

Aug 26, 2009, 01:03 AM

this really won't launch in the 64 bit kernel on my 24" 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo iMac? That's a huge letdown if so..Should do. Why do you think not?

53399

Aug 26, 2009, 01:05 AM

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idyll

Aug 26, 2009, 01:06 AM

Should do. Why do you think not?

On page 4 user "khurrram" said:

My two disappoints are related to 64 bit kernel, OpenCL along with Quicktime X h.264 hardware acceleration. First of all, my 24" Aluminium iMac Model 7.1 (Late 2007) doesn't run 64 bit kernel at all. All the processes are running in 64 bit apart from the kernel. And holding down 6 and 4 doesn't load up 64 bit kernel either.

And my iMac has ATI Radeon 2600HD, clearly there is no mention of any kind of support for OpenCL along with Quicktime X h.264 hardware acceleration. With these two things, I do feel a bit left out on the Snow Leopard party on my top of the range iMac which I bought about a year and 9 months ago.

At the same time, my MacBook Pro Model 4.1 (Early 2008) 2.4 which loads 64 bit kernel just fine as it should, which I bought four months later. Although I have nVidia Geforce 8600M GT, which loses out on the hardware acceleration for h.264, although has support for OpenCL.

macintoshtoffy

Aug 26, 2009, 01:08 AM

this really won't launch in the 64 bit kernel on my 24" 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo iMac? That's a huge letdown if so..

What do you believe that you're missing out on?

TripHop

Aug 26, 2009, 01:10 AM

On page 4 user "khurrram" said:

My two disappoints are related to 64 bit kernel, OpenCL along with Quicktime X h.264 hardware acceleration. First of all, my 24" Aluminium iMac Model 7.1 (Late 2007) doesn't run 64 bit kernel at all. All the processes are running in 64 bit apart from the kernel. And holding down 6 and 4 doesn't load up 64 bit kernel either.

And my iMac has ATI Radeon 2600HD, clearly there is no mention of any kind of support for OpenCL along with Quicktime X h.264 hardware acceleration. With these two things, I do feel a bit left out on the Snow Leopard party on my top of the range iMac which I bought about a year and 9 months ago.

At the same time, my MacBook Pro Model 4.1 (Early 2008) 2.4 which loads 64 bit kernel just fine as it should, which I bought four months later. Although I have nVidia Geforce 8600M GT, which loses out on the hardware acceleration for h.264, although has support for OpenCL.Last paragraph is YOU. You don't own a 2007 iMac. You own the first fully 64-bit Early 2008 45nm Penryn model so no problem. :)

Leo72

Aug 26, 2009, 01:11 AM

To me, the point is full support for NTFS. Because i can't leave Windows Vista :p

Stellarola

Aug 26, 2009, 01:11 AM

I called it, with obvious proof...

http://stellarola.tumblr.com/post/170073105/10a432-is-gm-and-thats-final

People never seem to believe whats in front of them. Just like when the Mac Mini pics leaked... Damn shame.

idyll

Aug 26, 2009, 01:11 AM

Last paragraph is YOU. You don't own a 2007 iMac. You own the first fully 64-bit model so no problem. :)

Are you positive? In his post he later states "And what's with not being able to run 64 bit kernal on my iMac Model 7.1 with 2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo Extreme?"

- that's the same exact computer I have.. :confused:

THX1139

Aug 26, 2009, 01:12 AM

SL should better deliver in some way with 64 bit. I feel that I been sold on it since the G5 and it ain't supported. For $29 I don't expect much.

It does and they do. The issue is not the OS, it's the third party applications that don't have 64bit support (yet). If all you do is use Apple system apps, then you're golden. The trouble is MOST people use their machines for other work and that's where the short comings are. Mail and Safari is 64bit, but Final Cut Studio is not. Out of these three applications, only one is begging for 64bit and it's a long way off.

macintoshtoffy

Aug 26, 2009, 01:17 AM

Are you positive? In his post he later states "And what's with not being able to run 64 bit kernal on my iMac Model 7.1 with 2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo Extreme?"

- that's the same exact computer I have.. :confused:

Why does it matter that you can't run the 64bit kernel? you can run 64bit applications, those applications can address more than 4GB of memory, the 32bit kernel can address more than 4GB of memory, the operating system loads into Long mode with the kernel running in compatibility mode so that 64bit applications can take advantage of more registers, and other enhancements.

Again, why are you whining? do some reading for christ sake, these issues have been addressed over and over and over and over and over and over again.

TripHop

Aug 26, 2009, 01:17 AM

Are you positive? In his post he later states "And what's with not being able to run 64 bit kernal on my iMac Model 7.1 with 2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo Extreme?"

- that's the same exact computer I have.. :confused:Well I'm not positive because I'm not an engineer but my understanding is that everything beginning with 45nm Penryn processors in Early 2008 is fully 64-bit on the motherboard and in the processor. Will someone else please confirm or refute my understanding?

Eidorian

Aug 26, 2009, 01:18 AM

Why does it matter that you can't run the 64bit kernel? you can run 64bit applications, those applications can address more than 4GB of memory, the 32bit kernel can address more than 4GB of memory, the operating system loads into Long mode with the kernel running in compatibility mode so that 64bit applications can take advantage of more registers, and other enhancements.

Again, why are you whining? do some reading for christ sake, these issues have been addressed over and over and over and over and over and over again.So why are we buying Snow Leopard again? :D

Better off waiting until next year and get a new machine without all this bizzaro world what hardware configuration supports what game.

THX1139

Aug 26, 2009, 01:19 AM

Yeah i'm guessing the same about the EFI :(

I take your point about the kexts... I guess It'll be a while before apple are confident about defaulting to a 64bit kernel anyway.

I feel your pain with graphics card... I've got the ATI X1900XT and I've resigned myself to the fact that will never be used by OpenCL or used for video decoding... Seems such a shame though... All that power... :(

Anyway, I don't want to sound too negative.... Snow Leopard sounds a good leap forward so roll on Friday... :)

You should spend some time doing research to upgrade your Mac. There are still a lot of options in video cards and booting to 64bit. You just have to hit up google and do some reading. Even so, by the time 3rd party 64bit software for Mac becomes mainstream, the original MacPro is going to be really outdated for heavy duty processing.

macintoshtoffy

Aug 26, 2009, 01:21 AM

So why are we buying Snow Leopard again? :D

Better off waiting until next year and get a new machine without all this bizzaro world what hardware configuration supports what game.

For 64bit capability - something that it allows you to do - to run 64bit applications on it. Up until that point, 64bit applications were limited to command line. There was no 64bit Cocoa, no 64bit QTX, no 64bit anything outside the bare basic.

Christ all bloody mighty - the kernel is but one aspect of the damn operating system; stop jerking your kernel gherkin and look at the bigger picture.

Eidorian

Aug 26, 2009, 01:24 AM

For 64bit capability - something that it allows you to do - to run 64bit applications on it. Up until that point, 64bit applications were limited to command line. There was no 64bit Cocoa, no 64bit QTX, no 64bit anything outside the bare basic.Welcome to Leopard. Where we are today.

macintoshtoffy

Aug 26, 2009, 01:25 AM

Welcome to Leopard. Where we are today.

Leopard had no 64bit Cocoa, QTX, or any of those other API's in 64bit.

THX1139

Aug 26, 2009, 01:30 AM

Currently I installed the 10A432 on my umbp (2.8GHz). I looked at system preferences and it says that it is under 32 bits. Is everyone else have that on their macs?

Okay... here we go. I think I'm going to avoid MacRumors after Friday cause there's going to be a lot of silly questions from people who are too lazy to read or find out exactly what they are installing.

And another thing... why are people downloading torrents and then coming on here to ask questions about it? Seriously, if you don't know what you are doing, then wait until Friday, BUY the software, and RTFM! :mad:

SG1-1

Aug 26, 2009, 01:33 AM

Taken Directly From Macworld:
Posted on Aug 19, 2009 6:37 pm by Jason Snell, Macworld.com

LINK:
http://www.macworld.com/article/142379/2009/08/snow_leopard_64_bit.html?t=

There’s a little bit of confusion out there on the Web about what parts of Snow Leopard are running in 64-bit mode and what parts are running in 32-bit mode. A report by Thom Holwerda of OS News says that under Snow Leopard, most Macs will boot using a 32-bit kernel and drivers, not a 64-bit kernel and drivers. And Holwerda points out that many Mac models don’t have 64-bit EFI, either.

These statements, based on a pre-release copy of Snow Leopard, seem accurate to me. But the implication that the story leaves readers with—that you can’t “go 64 bit” or “boot into the 64-bit version of Snow Leopard” if your Mac isn’t booting into a 64-bit kernel—is completely wrong.

When Apple talks about Snow Leopard being thoroughly 64-bit savvy, what the company means is that almost every application included in Snow Leopard has been recompiled to run in 64-bit mode. There are two reasons this is a good thing. The first is simple: 64-bit computing is necessary if you want one of the programs on your computer to have access to more than 4GB of RAM.

Second, there are some speed boosts associated with running in 64-bit mode. The Intel processors that power Macs have built-in math routines that operate more efficiently in 64-bit mode, processing tasks in fewer steps. That means that certain math-intensive tasks will see a speed boost under Snow Leopard’s 64-bit applications.

If you’re running a Mac powered by an Intel Core 2 Duo processor or an Intel Xeon processor, your Mac is 64-bit capable.

And Snow Leopard runs 64-bit-capable applications in 64-bit mode regardless of whether it’s booting into a 64-bit or 32-bit kernel. In fact, the only big advantage of booting into a 64-bit kernel would be the ability to use more than 32 gigabytes of RAM. There aren't any Macs that can do that now, anyway, due to hardware limitations.

Applications running in Snow Leopard will have access to a full 16 exabyte virtual address space, just the same as if they were running in a 64-bit kernel. As a result, there’s very little difference between booting into the 64-bit kernel and the 32-bit kernel in current Mac systems.

(This is not to say that there won't be a bigger difference in the future, as RAM sizes continue to grow. But presumably new high-end Mac systems will boot into the 64-bit kernel when the need arises.)

So, bottom line: If you’ve got a Core 2 Duo or Xeon based Mac — any Intel Mac not running a Core Duo or Core Solo processor — you’ll be able to run applications in 64-bit mode, which will in turn be able to take advantage of faster 64-bit registers and math routines as well as access massive amounts of memory.

Yes it is Confusing, But The Macworld Article is the Best i have Found that helps People Understand the Differences, I have also had the same Questions asked By my Clients and instead of trying to Explain, i gave them a Link to this Well Written Article by Macworld.:)

Notice: All information in this Post is property of Macworld, I have Reproduced the Article in Full, with only the Removal of the Last Line.

Link Added to Article for Authentication.
http://www.macworld.com/article/142379/2009/08/snow_leopard_64_bit.html?t=