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MacBytes
Jun 28, 2004, 08:45 PM
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Link: WWDC 04 keynote video stream now available (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20040628214507)
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jessefoxperry
Jun 28, 2004, 08:52 PM
is it just me or will the new ichat be super processor hungry?

nsb3000
Jun 28, 2004, 08:53 PM
Category: Apple Services
Link: WWDC 04 keynote video stream now available (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20040628214507)
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Woo Hoo!! We finally get to watch the stream!

iloveMac
Jun 28, 2004, 08:54 PM
Apple is on a roll.

DMann
Jun 28, 2004, 08:57 PM
Apple is on a roll.

The NeXt best thing to being there :)

nsb3000
Jun 28, 2004, 09:02 PM
is it just me or will the new ichat be super processor hungry?

Well, perhaps by the time it is released g5s will make it into powerbooks and consumer desktops :-)

CubaTBird
Jun 28, 2004, 09:03 PM
Finally! Wheres my popcorn...... :o

nagromme
Jun 28, 2004, 09:05 PM
I don't know how CPU-efficient the new codec is (better quality per bandwidth), but the 3D effects in iChat shouldn't be much of an issue Core Video/Core Image/Quartz Extreme can offload that kind of thing to the GPU.

musicpyrite
Jun 28, 2004, 09:06 PM
Get the popcorn!!!! :D

Nermal
Jun 28, 2004, 09:09 PM
Grr, it would have to go up now, when I'm supposed to be working. The keywords there are "supposed to", of course ;)

kjwebb
Jun 28, 2004, 09:10 PM
Grrrr. 404 Bad request. Not happy Apple.

puckhead193
Jun 28, 2004, 09:13 PM
YAY..time to watch....where's my beer now.... :p

HasanDaddy
Jun 28, 2004, 09:29 PM
sheesh - were such geeks

anyhoo ---- I'm about to watch it too!

WHOOOHOOOO

JT3MacManiac
Jun 28, 2004, 09:30 PM
link to a .mov file of the keynote:

http://www.differentdistrict.com/index.php?id=P1401

edgar_is_good
Jun 28, 2004, 09:45 PM
What's that in his hand? I give lots of talks and I don't recognize this remote. Could it be the iRemote?

I'll try to get a better shot of what I'm talking about...

macridah
Jun 28, 2004, 09:46 PM
That was a good keynote in my opinion. man the two 30" monitor setup would be sweet ... 8 million pixels ... drool

Acoustica
Jun 28, 2004, 09:49 PM
Is there a way to save the stream? My campuses internet is horrible during the summer because they cut available bandwidth down to 1.5mbit/s shared for about 250 people.

Chip NoVaMac
Jun 28, 2004, 09:53 PM
Ok, there were software enhancements that are good for the future of Apple. But nothing in terms of hardware to drive the consumer to Aplle. I guess that is why the stock closed down 3.59%. And why they did not do a live broadcast.

Stella
Jun 28, 2004, 09:53 PM
I've just watched the spotlight demo - it looks very impressive... wonder how well it'll work on my iBook 800!!!

rhpenguin
Jun 28, 2004, 10:07 PM
I've just watched the spotlight demo - it looks very impressive... wonder how well it'll work on my iBook 800!!!

LOL... im wondering that myself :P

guess ill just have to hit the p2p sites later tonight when im done work...

narco
Jun 28, 2004, 10:10 PM
Wow, what a great keynote. I loved the crowd's reaction to the new iChat. Tiger will definitely make things easier for me at work; I can't wait until it ships.

Oh, and I'm always a fan of the Microsoft bashing. Anyone have a link to the banner images?

// narco

GrannySmith_G5
Jun 28, 2004, 10:20 PM
Stevie looks skinny. Mainlining heroin?

MoparShaha
Jun 28, 2004, 10:32 PM
I thought that was a great keynote. I retract my earlier statements about Tiger being lame. I'm thoroughly impressed. Automater and Spotlight look absolutely incredible.

FunkyGuitarGirl
Jun 28, 2004, 10:34 PM
Stevie looks skinny. Mainlining heroin?

Black is slimming.... also, TONS of YOGA.

edgar_is_good
Jun 28, 2004, 10:35 PM
Seriously, I think this is the iremote.

ifjake
Jun 28, 2004, 10:37 PM
yeah if this thing runs quickly on a 1Ghz Ti power, maybe i will pick up a copy. it looks like a better update than panther was. i'm impressed. and tired. stupid stream kept me up later than i should be.

MacRumorSkeptic
Jun 28, 2004, 10:38 PM
I don't know what people were bitching over. That Tiger demo was damn impressive. I was wowed by just about every new feature. I suppose after all the nay sayers see the keynote they'll change their tune.

SilentPanda
Jun 28, 2004, 10:43 PM
That blue remote thing is the same remote he's been using for a while now and the same question gets asked every single time a Keynote is given.

fredwick
Jun 28, 2004, 10:44 PM
ahahahha i can't watch it. it keeps timing out!!! :mad:

bilingual
Jun 28, 2004, 10:47 PM
Of course, this may very well be very idiotic ... But when Steve in the keynote searched for iMac, there were several files with a very recent date: 06/24/04. What kind of the promotional materials could this be?! For the old clunkers sold now?

I even thought about sending this screenshot to Arn himself, but hesitated since this is probably very silly.

whooleytoo
Jun 28, 2004, 10:47 PM
Quote from keynote:

"We're not shipping this until the first half of 2005, so put the bits in perspective"

So, it should be interesting to see how much more polished Tiger gets in the next 12 months.

puckhead193
Jun 28, 2004, 10:53 PM
Well an hour and forty mins.... was well spent...the new monitors look "phat"! The automator thing looks cool. And the new Ichat thing will be great to keep in touch with family and friends, now i just need to convince people that macs are better. I wish they announced more hardware stuff. I'm guessing there is no powerbook updates. Would you buy a 12" now or wait till aug? (I need it for college)
Thanks

edgar_is_good
Jun 28, 2004, 10:54 PM
That blue remote thing is the same remote he's been using for a while now and the same question gets asked every single time a Keynote is given.

Well, maybe they've been developing the iremote for a while. Do you know what it actually _is_, though? I don't recognize it.

Edit: checked the Apple Expo paris last Sept, there it was. Still, looks awfully big just to be a clicker...

Chryx
Jun 28, 2004, 10:55 PM
am I the only one that noticed that the window resizing in Tiger seems to be COMPLETELY smooth no matter how big the window is.. now, no doubt Steve was sitting at a 2.5Ghz G5 Powermac to show that stuff off.. but

Could it be that they've finally nailed the one consistant 'OSX isn't good at this' thing?

Possibly even by offloading some more rendering to the GPU?

five04
Jun 28, 2004, 10:59 PM
i'm glad they put this up. one thing i was kind of boggled about is why ubisoft got so much time to show myst 4. it's not like myst 4 will be a massive blockbuster and it's also not like myst 4 has amazing graphics. it just seemed to me to be somewhat pointless to have that as part of a developer conference keynote.

Exponent
Jun 28, 2004, 11:02 PM
Yes, the Myst bit was baffling. By the way, did you hear the skanky Ubisoft woman say "And we're out of here" off-mike after her demo was done?

By the way, Apple should develop a stair-master with an integrated USB and Firewire hub for Phil Schiller...the untucked polo shirt didn't hide a bit of his new, ah, "Rubenesque" frame.... :D

reyesmac
Jun 28, 2004, 11:06 PM
I just finished it and I am impressed. There will be some really nice effects added to the OS with Tiger. I also noticed that with the little funhouse app they have that they are creating photoshop within the OS itself. So if Adobe ever wants to threaten Apple all they need to do is put together a little graphical menu together and they will have over half the features that photoshop has in the first day because its all built in to the OS. I wonder what adobe thinks of that.

The RSS Safari feature will be nicer than what redmond can come up with because it has absolutely no advertisements. That is something Redmond would dare not copy.

And now I think that buying a 23 in display is not such a bad idea after all, considering the graphics power you will need to run the 30. It will take YEARS for this kind of graphics technology to be built in to laptops and iMacs. So the 23 in display should not become outdated anytime soon. In fact, I don't even think they will come up with a new monitor size for a few years. This keynote has given me something to look forward to this year and next.

Gherkin
Jun 28, 2004, 11:09 PM
It's not working for me. When I click on it, a thing comes up saying the file could not be found.

Wonder Boy
Jun 28, 2004, 11:24 PM
Stevie looks skinny. Mainlining heroin?

i was thinking the same thing.

ph_555_shag
Jun 28, 2004, 11:33 PM
that rippel thing looks WICKED

jeffgarden
Jun 28, 2004, 11:34 PM
I'm like 10x more eager to get my hands on Tiger after watching the keynote than I was at 3pm after getting all the updates via text.

I underestimated it like, completely. it's very cool. can't wait for the developer CD to arrive

imaswitcheryeah
Jun 28, 2004, 11:43 PM
Yes, the Myst bit was baffling. By the way, did you hear the skanky Ubisoft woman say "And we're out of here" off-mike after her demo was done?

I just came in here to see if anyone had said anything about this... what a b*tch.. :rolleyes:

dizastor
Jun 28, 2004, 11:46 PM
Text update = Underwhelming
Streaming Keynote = Badass Geekfest...



I want Guitar Rig... as long as the Sigfried and Roy Developer never gets on stage again.

feeze
Jun 28, 2004, 11:55 PM
OMG, that 30 inch display is HUGE, its bigger than Steve is, and you can use 2 of em. Tiger looks awesome, I hope developers take advantage of the technology Apple is presenting here (Imagine how kick ass photoshop would be if it utilised CoreImage)

iJon
Jun 28, 2004, 11:56 PM
Of course, this may very well be very idiotic ... But when Steve in the keynote searched for iMac, there were several files with a very recent date: 06/24/04. What kind of the promotional materials could this be?! For the old clunkers sold now?

I even thought about sending this screenshot to Arn himself, but hesitated since this is probably very silly.
dates reflect last time edited. chances are steve or someone did a quick check to make sure stuff opened, therefore the current date.

iJon

MikeLaRiviere
Jun 29, 2004, 12:00 AM
I too was a little disappointed with Tiger announcements, having read the MacRumors forums before I saw the features. But Mr. Jobs is a true salesman at heart, as he has somehow managed to blow me away with features about which I had already read in triplicate. I am very excited, and greatly anticipate Tiger's release.

Mike LaRiviere

crees!
Jun 29, 2004, 12:05 AM
Apple has quietly posted a quicktime video of today's WWDC 2004 Keynote Speech. Quietly eh? So quietly is when it's posted on the front page of apple.com. I wonder what loud and obnoxiously is like?

ministerd
Jun 29, 2004, 12:12 AM
just reading the stuff left me a bit flat, but I knew going in that I would be impressed... Didn't know if there enough in tiger for me to take the bait.. but alas.. Here's my money Steve.... just take it...

and if you get that G5 laptop ready too... I'll just take both thank you... hmmm... while I'm at it... could you toss in one of those new fangled monitors... I guess even the new laptops won't be able to run that 30" behemoth....

rdiercks
Jun 29, 2004, 12:14 AM
Those visual Apple Scripts make the Mac truely customizeable, I just switched to Mac and am using applescript but don't currently have alot of time to explore all the functions. This Visual Scriptor will make my life a heck of alot easier.

nsb3000
Jun 29, 2004, 12:18 AM
I just finished it and I am impressed. There will be some really nice effects added to the OS with Tiger. I also noticed that with the little funhouse app they have that they are creating photoshop within the OS itself. So if Adobe ever wants to threaten Apple all they need to do is put together a little graphical menu together and they will have over half the features that photoshop has in the first day because its all built in to the OS. I wonder what adobe thinks of that.



You must not have much experience with photoshop. Filters are but one of thousand of features in the app. Don't get me wrong, Core image looks impressive, but it is no photoshop replacement. No where even close.

yamabushi
Jun 29, 2004, 12:34 AM
I have to say that after watching the keynote I am pleased with the new features that were highlighted. I only wish that the features I really want are among the other 140 new features. Automatic system recovery and efficient dictation are at the top of my list. Of course I expect further improvements in stability, security, and speed as well.

etoiles
Jun 29, 2004, 12:40 AM
I also noticed that with the little funhouse app they have that they are creating photoshop within the OS itself.

I can't wait for Adobe to make their filters 'native'... imagine the benchmark Steve will show at the next expo: Photoshop 1000% faster than fastest wintel (at least the usual collection of 'benchmark' filters) :D

I was expecting the guy who demoed the Automator to show how to download a full porn site to DVD, right after creating the family album :eek: :p

feeze
Jun 29, 2004, 12:45 AM
I was expecting the guy who demoed the Automator to show how to download a full porn site to DVD, right after creating the family album :eek: :p

LOL, If only I could afford an Xserve RAID to store it all on.

raynegus
Jun 29, 2004, 12:51 AM
Is that Francis Ford Coppola in the audience? :eek: (director of the Godfather movies for you less inclined). He's the guy they show right after the Zebra's nose gets twirled.

Hell, it looks just like him.

See what Francis looks like in this old iMac movie (he's near the end) and judge for yourself:

http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/new_imac_m480.mov

By the way, the satellite demo was frickin cool.

fuge
Jun 29, 2004, 12:59 AM
I read the comments earlier today and wondered if Tiger was poo-poo. But alas after watching the keynote I would spend my $129 just for spotlight and automator. I don't think everyone has realized how much those two simple features will change the way we do things on our macs.

I've never really been attracted to .mac but if they get all the syncing integration down I might put up some money to use the features. We'll see when it comes out.

The only downside to his presentation...first HALF of next year. That says "January to June" to me. I'm pulling for New Years Day.

rikers_mailbox
Jun 29, 2004, 12:59 AM
gotta love the wave affect when opening new 'widgets'. The crowd got the heeby-jeebies too

DMann
Jun 29, 2004, 01:07 AM
Seriously, I think this is the iremote.

Soon to be released with Airport Express...

autrefois
Jun 29, 2004, 01:10 AM
A great keynote. I'm actually kind of glad they didn't stream it live: we got to read what was being announced thanks to Macrumors, and I think that made it even more enjoyable when I got to watch the stream just now.

I'm excited about Tiger: considering the fact that this is at least 6 months before being released, things are looking very good. Nothing I was disappointed with, although it'll take getting used to the blue corners of Apple Menu and Spotlight.

I think I will have to force everyone I know to get webcams and broadband so I can take advantage of the new iChat. :)

And Steve Jobs was in top form: I counted 31 "BOOM"s! :D

DMann
Jun 29, 2004, 01:10 AM
Quote from keynote:

"We're not shipping this until the first half of 2005, so put the bits in perspective"

So, it should be interesting to see how much more polished Tiger gets in the next 12 months.

By the time Tiger is released, it will likely evolve an
additional generation...

DMann
Jun 29, 2004, 01:13 AM
am I the only one that noticed that the window resizing in Tiger seems to be COMPLETELY smooth no matter how big the window is.. now, no doubt Steve was sitting at a 2.5Ghz G5 Powermac to show that stuff off.. but

Could it be that they've finally nailed the one consistant 'OSX isn't good at this' thing?

Possibly even by offloading some more rendering to the GPU?

Yes, it looks as though window resizing has been accelerated
to real time, as the image core so aptly demonstrated.

feeze
Jun 29, 2004, 01:18 AM
Seriously, I think this is the iremote.

But if the iRemote is functionable and he is using it on stage, why would he not have said anything about it when he was talking about airport express. Why miss out on a golden oppurtunity. Anyway wasn't he using the same device in his other presentations?

Edit: just checked out the Macworld 2004 stream, he uses the same remote there.

DMann
Jun 29, 2004, 01:27 AM
Those visual Apple Scripts make the Mac truely customizeable, I just switched to Mac and am using applescript but don't currently have alot of time to explore all the functions. This Visual Scriptor will make my life a heck of alot easier.

For many, the ease of scripting Automator will bring
computing to the next level...

SolarisSkyrider
Jun 29, 2004, 01:33 AM
Now I recently got an 12" iBook 1 GHz and I love it, so I was really looking forward to watching my first Steve Jobs' keynote. I wish they had streamed it live, cause after reading the text summaries here and on Slashdot, I was thoroughly disappointed... some of the stuff seemed neat, but nothing too fantastic.
Then the keynote came online... I watched it and was thrilled. The new 30" display looks amazing (as is the price... jeez!), and seeing all those new Tiger features in action really makes me want it. Now I know what people mean when they talk about Jobs' "Reality Distortion Field" - it really is quite impressive!

Here, Apple, take some more of my money. Thank God for educational discounts. :)

DamnDJ
Jun 29, 2004, 01:34 AM
Color me impressed with the keynote. Like others, I read the text update MacRumors provided and I was left feeling ho-hum about all the features. After watching the Keynote, I am totally excited for Tiger!

On the Dashboard issue. I think the creator of Konfab needs to go away with his whining. While some of the features of Dashboard seem to be close to Konfab, I think Dashboard is far better than anything Konfab does. The reason why I don't use Konfab is all the desk space the widgets take up. Dashboard removes any burden on your screen real estate and allows you to have a ton of features behind your clutter free desktop. Move over bacon, now there's something leaner.

Bring it on indeed.

afields
Jun 29, 2004, 01:40 AM
Geez, Steve Jobs said "boom" so much I thought I was listening to John Madden.










BOOM!

DMann
Jun 29, 2004, 01:40 AM
I'm excited about Tiger: considering the fact that this is at least 6 months before being released, things are looking very good. Nothing I was disappointed with, although it'll take getting used to the blue corners of Apple Menu and Spotlight.

I think I will have to force everyone I know to get webcams and broadband so I can take advantage of the new iChat. :)

And Steve Jobs was in top form: I counted 31 "BOOM"s! :D

He was in much greater form than he was in the UK. Hopefully, we'll be able to customize the blue corners out, if desired, by the time Tiger is released.

virus1
Jun 29, 2004, 02:41 AM
lucky i know a dev, so they will hook me up with my dream os... :D

displays... jesus... i thought my 17 was huge and looked good...

the 30" is so... big. i really want one... but i know it is time to start saving for a G5 ibook, as it normally takes me 3 or so years to save that kind of money up... damn!

nagromme
Jun 29, 2004, 03:06 AM
The Core Image / Core Video demo was much more impressive than I realized from reports. Check it out.

Other tidbits I picked up:

Mail will support HTML email composition.
TextEdit will support tables.

mim
Jun 29, 2004, 03:13 AM
Did anyone notice that satellite program 'Orbit'? Does anyone know anything about it? Where to get it?

Looked very cool!

crees!
Jun 29, 2004, 03:18 AM
He was in much greater form than he was in the UK. Hopefully, we'll be able to customize the blue corners out, if desired, by the time Tiger is released. I use CandyBar now and the G5 theme to silver up the OS. I'm sure after Tiger is released someone will update the theme for 10.4

crees!
Jun 29, 2004, 03:19 AM
Did anyone notice that satellite program 'Orbit'? Does anyone know anything about it? Where to get it?

Looked very cool! Steve said there will be a desktop type background version of it off apple.com Who knows when though.

ts1973
Jun 29, 2004, 04:13 AM
Just watched the video this morning.

I am definitely thoroughly impressed by Tiger : I felt like being part of the next step in OS designing... As someone mentioned before : just spotlight is worth a $129...

Actually I didn't upgrade my desktop to Panther, as I didn't seem to need any of its features (except maybe exposé). Panther eventually came with my new PB G4 and I'm not too impressed (desktop is still on Jaguar). Tiger however will get me running to the Apple store the minute it comes out...

On a side note : I still think Apple urgently needs to give more attention to the consumer level of the market, as everything Apple has introduced in the last half year is so high end and equally expensive... You know : a 30" TFT + NV6800Ultra costs in Belgium about €4500 (or about $5400). This is in my opinion not what we are waiting for.

Then again : this was WWDC and I just can't wait to get my hands on Tiger.

Frixo Cool
Jun 29, 2004, 05:06 AM
Great keynote! :-) Maybe not the best of all time but it's one of the best for sure. Tiger is impressive. Core Image and Video are superb. Can't wait to get my hands on it! :-)

Dave Swift
Jun 29, 2004, 05:35 AM
On a side note : I still think Apple urgently needs to give more attention to the consumer level of the market, as everything Apple has introduced in the last half year is so high end and equally expensive... You know : a 30" TFT + NV6800Ultra costs in Belgium about €4500 (or about $5400). This is in my opinion not what we are waiting for.


What about:
Airport Express ($129)
iTMS ($.99/song)
iPod Mini ($249)
1.25 G4 eMacs (starting at $799)
G4 iBooks (starting at $1099)

How many more consumer products can Apple release in a year (while also releasing a slew of new and updated pro products)?

Let's hope there is at least one new Consumer product this year... the iMac G5.

James.Paul
Jun 29, 2004, 05:39 AM
When you looked at the text stream of WWDC Macrumors provided it was useful to know what's happening but you couldn't get really excited. It isn't until you actually see the features in action that you are just blown away by them. iChat AV was stunning, yes it needs to expand it's protocols but if you only have a mac network it was a fantastic update. Poor Phil's face when he got booted out of the conference!!! The .mac syncing update was a welcome feature, one that i had been hoping for and i will use a lot, Spotlight - cracking!!, dashboard looks great, nice effects - people have got to remember that in order to attract more customers, it is little bits of eye candy like that brings new consumers in. Many of my friends who have gone onto get macs have looked at those effects and just thought wow, I am also looking forward to creating and sharing Automator scripts. I can see the websites starting now.

In all, it was an excellent preview and keynote aimed at the developer. I was one who wanted G5 iMac's as well but remember, Tiger will have got Apple a lot of publicity yesterday. If a G5 iMac had been released would Tiger have gotten as much exposure. It makes sense to spread the releases over a period of time, that way Apple stays in the public eye longer. Apple has got momentum at the moment with the press, if they were to bang out a few releases over the next few weeks then people will take notice. G5 iMac's will come but maybe not for a couple of weeks.

One thing that has got me worried is the lack of any WebObjects talk? It's been a couple of years since that was seriously updated (a la Appleworks). Anyone at WWDC got any information to share?

ts1973
Jun 29, 2004, 05:47 AM
What about:
Airport Express ($129)
iTMS ($.99/song)
iPod Mini ($249)
1.25 G4 eMacs (starting at $799)
G4 iBooks (starting at $1099)

How many more consumer products can Apple release in a year (while also releasing a slew of new and updated pro products)?

Let's hope there is at least one new Consumer product this year... the iMac G5.

OK, you're right on the G4 ibooks : they are the best "bang for buck" available at the moment. And sorry : the eMac is still a "desperate" product only intended at the educational market but saved from an early death only by its price point.

But for the other products : they are hardly at the heart of computing. Before we can use Airport Express or the ITMS or a shiny iPod Mini (which isn't all that cheap either) we need a computer (and a monitor) that works with it. I don't see anything appealing on that issue in the last couple of months (except than for the ibook, again, everything looked at from a consumer point of view).

.a
Jun 29, 2004, 05:49 AM
i like the new haircut of frank casanova :) this keynote was really good entertainment!
.a

Dave Swift
Jun 29, 2004, 06:06 AM
OK, you're right on the G4 ibooks : they are the best "bang for buck" available at the moment. And sorry : the eMac is still a "desperate" product only intended at the educational market but saved from an early death only by its price point.


I quite like the look of the emac... I will probably pick one up in the next year or so for my parents, they don't need to edit audio or video. Just do email and the occasional casino video game :)

Anyway, if I was a pro user that needed a portable I would be crying foul that Apple isn't paying any attention to that market. The fact is, Apple cannot release a completely revised product in each of its lines every year. That's just not plausable. Just think about how many hardware and software products Apple has put out in the last 18 months. It is amazing. If tweleve months go by and there isn't a significant change to the iMac line, then I'll start complaining. I think you'll see iMac G5s right after you see PB G5s.

Dave Swift
Jun 29, 2004, 06:12 AM
Of course, this may very well be very idiotic ... But when Steve in the keynote searched for iMac, there were several files with a very recent date: 06/24/04. What kind of the promotional materials could this be?! For the old clunkers sold now?

I even thought about sending this screenshot to Arn himself, but hesitated since this is probably very silly.

I'm willing to bet that "iMac with skiers" is just this (found on the current Apple iMac web page):
http://a48.g.akamai.net/7/48/51/e31679c1153c08/www.apple.com/imac/images/index_allstacked111003.jpg

BevvyB
Jun 29, 2004, 06:22 AM
Automator and Spotlight

My God!

I'm a music producer. I've got hundreds of thousands of audio files floating around, and I'm always wanting to batch process this stuff but until now it's been painful. With Automator I can do this and with Spotlight I'll never lose anything again.

I think the Core Graphics stuff will create a whole new playground for developers and finally the GUI as we know it can take strides forward.

And iChat AV with three people - bloody marvelous.

And it was rather understated that this was now 64 bit - after all the hoohah about how difficult it was going to be, I just can't imagine how this is going to change the video and music industry...

I want it NOW because, unlike previous other incarnations of OSX, this one will actually change the way I work with WHAT I ALREADY USE for the best, instead of just giving me only more eye candy.

reyesmac
Jun 29, 2004, 06:50 AM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html

On the bottom right it says the graphics cards core video works with. I have a powermac that is 2 years old, a powermac, and it wont be supported already? It better be a heck of a lot more than eye candy.

whooleytoo
Jun 29, 2004, 06:57 AM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html

On the bottom right it says the graphics cards core video works with. I have a powermac that is 2 years old, a powermac, and it wont be supported already? It better be a heck of a lot more than eye candy.

By the time Tiger launches, that PowerMac will be 3 years old - 3 years in graphic card terms is a long time - and CoreImage and CoreVideo look pretty resource intensive. I'm not surprised the specs are so high.

Chryx
Jun 29, 2004, 07:06 AM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html

On the bottom right it says the graphics cards core video works with. I have a powermac that is 2 years old, a powermac, and it wont be supported already? It better be a heck of a lot more than eye candy.

All the video cards on that list have what, in Windows terms, are 'DirectX 9.0' cards, or 'Pixel Shader 2.0+' cards.

Your two year old Powermac, best case, has what, a Geforce 4 Ti4600?, which is a Pixel Shader 1.x card

And since it's the pixel shader 2.x+ functionality Apple are leveraging, it's hardly surprising a display card that lacks it doesn't work with Coreimage/video.


In related news, I've had an app that applies shaders to video in realtime for a while (it's an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro techdemo - on Windows), and I'm really quite giddy at the thought of that functionality being underlying tech in 10.4 :)

brap
Jun 29, 2004, 07:15 AM
Well, Jobs must have put up a great performance to pull this many people around from disappointment to awe. Almost makes me want to watch.

But 30" displays, and largely useless eyecandy don't seem to do it for me. I don't think I'll even bother... I can't afford (and really don't care for) a single huge display, not to mention what's certain to be a ridiculously overpriced video card to drive it. Quite sure the fanfare and presentation won't detract from the disappointent we're feeling over here.

MentalFabric
Jun 29, 2004, 07:30 AM
I think all the 'Introducing Longhorn' banners etc. is Steve trying to make Windows launch Longhorn asap - as an incomplete and crappy OS, just like all the rest ;-)

eric_n_dfw
Jun 29, 2004, 07:39 AM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html

On the bottom right it says the graphics cards core video works with. I have a powermac that is 2 years old, a powermac, and it wont be supported already? It better be a heck of a lot more than eye candy.Thank heavens you have a PowerMac then, you can go buy a video card that supports it plug it in. I'd be interested to see how well it ran on an older, sub Ghz PowerMac with one of those cards. I know putting a Radeon 8500 into my G4 Dual 500 made the GUI go from fat 'n chunky to silky smooth (thanks to Quartz Extreme).

centauratlas
Jun 29, 2004, 07:52 AM
For all the people who scoffed when I said 1st or 2nd quarter 2005 for Tiger, I hope they were paying attention here. ;-)

netytan
Jun 29, 2004, 08:19 AM
Is it just me of is Spotlight very similar to what Microsoft is trying to do in Longhorn! Besides the graphical improvment to Windows - which still looks like **** i may add - the only major feature being added, is the advanced file searching capabilities :cool:.

So if im correct then this means what Apple will have brought out a product which has the features of an OS we wont see untill 2007, in 2005! Quite an achivment!

Tiger looks amazing, well, all except the dashboard stuff. To be fair my little sister could do better than that thing in Photoshop! What ya think the chances of this chaging before release are?

Also knowticing that the IBooks graphics card wont be compatable with the new Core* things :mad:. What the hell is that about??

Mark.

soosy
Jun 29, 2004, 08:22 AM
You must not have much experience with photoshop. Filters are but one of thousand of features in the app. Don't get me wrong, Core image looks impressive, but it is no photoshop replacement. No where even close.

I use photoshop all day every day and you're right there is more to it than filters (in fact, I hardly every use filters), but I do think Core Image is a substantial step. First, it looks like Core Image includes some color correcting ala levels/hue-saturation/curves. Secondly, the performance just blew me away. I've been very disappointed that Photoshop CS made no great strides in performance, thinking that PS7 is where they cut their teeth on OS X and now they could really optimize. Adobe is taking baby steps with the program. I now believe if anyone can create a Photoshop killer then it is Apple. And I'd welcome it. I used to be very loyal to PS, but it has begun to drain over the last year.

But Steve must have realized everyone was thinking the same thing so he added at the end that he really hopes Adobe uses Core Image in the new Photoshop to make the Mac version that much better than the Windows version. That, at least, would be super sweet.

The coolest part of this keynote is that Apple is finally really opening up all the cool stuff to all the developers. iSync, Spotlight, Core Image... anyone can use them now! I'm disappointed that Tiger may be as much as a year away, but it's worth it if they are building a solid foundation for everyone to build on.

soosy
Jun 29, 2004, 08:27 AM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/core.html

On the bottom right it says the graphics cards core video works with. I have a powermac that is 2 years old, a powermac, and it wont be supported already? It better be a heck of a lot more than eye candy.

it also says "But Core Image automatically scales as appropriate for systems with older graphics cards, for compatibility with any Tiger-compatible Mac."

Better to push the envelope, than build to the lowest common denominator. For instance, my PowerMac doesn't do the "cube" effect when switching users. Poor me.;)

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:05 AM
what does everyone think of Aran Anderson of Orbit? he coded Orbit by HIMSELF?? what a GEEK! What a legend!!!!

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:08 AM
You must not have much experience with photoshop. Filters are but one of thousand of features in the app. Don't get me wrong, Core image looks impressive, but it is no photoshop replacement. No where even close.

the whole idea of the funhouse app was not as an image editing app at all though...

it was only there to allow the developers to see what they can potentially incorporate into their apps.

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:11 AM
if anyone is interested at looking at what MS has planned for their photo storing app, here's a link...

http://news.com.com/1606-2-5234982.html

It is so smooth! I hope we will see more stuff like this, esp with the new Core Image Technology

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:13 AM
Is that Francis Ford Coppola in the audience? :eek:

I was thinking exactly the same thing... I figured it had to be him because he was on screen so may times.

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:15 AM
A great keynote. I'm actually kind of glad they didn't stream it live: we got to read what was being announced thanks to Macrumors, and I think that made it even more enjoyable when I got to watch the stream just now.

I totally agree, it gave us time to reflect and read up on the stuff and really educate ourselves before being hit with the keynote... brilliant.

Chip NoVaMac
Jun 29, 2004, 09:16 AM
if anyone is interested at looking at what MS has planned for their photo storing app, here's a link...

http://news.com.com/1606-2-5234982.html

It is so smooth! I hope we will see more stuff like this, esp with the new Core Image Technology

Sweet. It looks like M$ is trying to do a better iPhoto.

stukick
Jun 29, 2004, 09:17 AM
Look out Microshaft!!!

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:17 AM
But if the iRemote is functionable and he is using it on stage, why would he not have said anything about it when he was talking about airport express. Why miss out on a golden oppurtunity. Anyway wasn't he using the same device in his other presentations?

Edit: just checked out the Macworld 2004 stream, he uses the same remote there.

people talk about his clicker every time he does a keynote... It's not an iremote... just his standard clicker...

however, i remember the one he had for the London Launch of iTunes music store europe had 4 buttons on the face, rather than one... can anyone confirm?

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:20 AM
On the Dashboard issue. I think the creator of Konfab needs to go away with his whining. While some of the features of Dashboard seem to be close to Konfab, I think Dashboard is far better than anything Konfab does. The reason why I don't use Konfab is all the desk space the widgets take up. Dashboard removes any burden on your screen real estate and allows you to have a ton of features behind your clutter free desktop. Move over bacon, now there's something leaner.

Bring it on indeed.

I agree with you. Konfab is nothing but a system-hog in my opinion... slows down the whole system... widgets are supposed to be out of the way...

Konfab widgets annoyed me by the way they distorted safari when scrolling...

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:22 AM
He was in much greater form than he was in the UK. Hopefully, we'll be able to customize the blue corners out, if desired, by the time Tiger is released.

i hope apple just get rid of the blue corners... hideous!

I also wish they find a better way to convey the spotlight search... too much like Launchbar and the blue is too XP. (i.e backwards)

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 09:24 AM
Steve said there will be a desktop type background version of it off apple.com Who knows when though.

it was actually aran anderson, the author of Orbit that stated that the program will be available as a screensaver in the near future.

benoda
Jun 29, 2004, 09:35 AM
I can't stream the keynote. Everytime I try, quicktime just sits there with the blue Q and the movie dot line at the bottom of the screen. If I try it on my PC it has no problem, but with the powerbook I have no luck.

Anyone seen this before?

Savage Henry
Jun 29, 2004, 09:40 AM
It's not vintage Stevie ... and if that is all Apple has to offer for the next 6 to 12 months then I can only hope and pray IBM get them 3.0ghz G5 up and out, pronto.

:(

Flowbee
Jun 29, 2004, 09:44 AM
I can't stream the keynote. Everytime I try, quicktime just sits there with the blue Q and the movie dot line at the bottom of the screen. If I try it on my PC it has no problem, but with the powerbook I have no luck.

Anyone seen this before?

Check your powerbook's firewall settings.

Other.au
Jun 29, 2004, 09:49 AM
That keynote transformed my opinion from disapointment to awe.

I was very impressed. Spotlight, automation, core image look sooo good.

crazedbytheheat
Jun 29, 2004, 09:50 AM
Everyone keeps saying there's nothing for consumers (as if Tiger users aren't consumers). I expect to see the coreImage and coreVideo show up in iLife for Tiger. Now that would be cool.

Also, automater, dashboards, and spotlight are all squarely aimed at casual users. IMO, Tiger is going to totally change the way the average user uses interfaces with the computer. No more hierarchies!!!

I really, really wish this were going to be available sooner, though. I'm doing research and spotlight is exactly what I need now.

macfan76
Jun 29, 2004, 09:52 AM
Everyone keeps saying there's nothing for consumers (as if Tiger users aren't consumers). I expect to see the coreImage and coreVideo show up in iLife '05 for Tiger. Now that would be cool.


I can almost guarantee this is going to happen. Can't wait.
Oh I just wanted to post this picture up, it is soo beautiful!
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/2002091463/www.wired.com/news/images/full/04cinemahd30_g5_f.jpg

Blaaze
Jun 29, 2004, 09:59 AM
that was an incredible keynote. like everybody else, my first reaction to reading about it was "meh", but I was totally sold after watching Stevie.

I'm afraid though that Tiger takes apart a couple Third party applications and applies it's own twist to it. First and obvious is Konfabulator. I really do think Apple has done a good job with this, but I think Apple should give the guy some kind of credit.

The second and less obvious application that I think Tiger puts it's own twist to is LaunchBar. Although the SpotLight feature is not really just one feature, but an entirely new technology that will be integrated into the next operating system, the whole thing reminds me of LaunchBar. Just being able to type in what you're looking for. I think Apple's SpotLight has further expanded this way of searching with the power of meta-data, but yeah. Just wanted to toss the LaunchBar guys a bone. Just some food for thought.

Diatribe
Jun 29, 2004, 10:07 AM
I can't even begin to say how awefully impressed I am with this OS. Core Audio/Video/Image is awesome, so are ichat, spotlight and automater.
The thing he did with spotlight and the yosemite map was just plain AWESOME!
All the people that were bitchin about the displays moving to DVI and the more cords... nice solution from Apple with the one cord.
All in all... I want it now. NOW. NOW...Steve you hear me? :D

Diatribe
Jun 29, 2004, 10:10 AM
Oh, can anybody tell me why I cannot save this stream? It resists all my attempts. I would very much like to save this.

the061
Jun 29, 2004, 10:11 AM
if anyone is interested at looking at what MS has planned for their photo storing app, here's a link...

http://news.com.com/1606-2-5234982.html

It is so smooth! I hope we will see more stuff like this, esp with the new Core Image Technology

That is impressive. Very nice. :)

m.r.m.
Jun 29, 2004, 10:17 AM
i'm probably fairly alone on this one, but there is no way i will completely switch before counterstrike is available for macs. also, the new monitors have a typical response time (http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html) of 16ms which is no good for any gamer (playing fps like cs, doom3, ut2004 etc.). otherwise i'm impressed. then again life isn't just fun and games. ;)

edesignuk
Jun 29, 2004, 10:28 AM
Anyone know of a way to record the WWDC keynote stream? If we can do that maybe we can torrent it or sumthin' :)

Diatribe
Jun 29, 2004, 10:34 AM
Anyone know of a way to record the WWDC keynote stream? If we can do that maybe we can torrent it or sumthin' :)

Good to see that somebody else is having the same difficulties... :D
Hope somebody has a sloution.

jessefoxperry
Jun 29, 2004, 10:38 AM
i love this guy's style.

itsa
Jun 29, 2004, 10:44 AM
Jobs fibs again!!!

MS2004 is not better on the mac than it is on Windows.
You still can't play movies in powerpoint! Untill they fix that bug, it's not better.!!!

Really tho... Anyone know of a fix for the lag playback in PP?

edesignuk
Jun 29, 2004, 10:46 AM
Good to see that somebody else is having the same difficulties... :D
Hope somebody has a sloution.
I don't have any problems, I've watched it from the stream. But I'd like to show my dad a few bits and it would be a hella lot easier from file rather than stream :)

Sabbath
Jun 29, 2004, 10:53 AM
I don't have any problems, I've watched it from the stream. But I'd like to show my dad a few bits and it would be a hella lot easier from file rather than stream :)

You can download it from here (http://www.differentdistrict.com/index.php) (requires registration) as stated by someone previously

Diatribe
Jun 29, 2004, 10:54 AM
I don't have any problems, I've watched it from the stream. But I'd like to show my dad a few bits and it would be a hella lot easier from file rather than stream :)

Saving it was exactly what I was referring to. I watched the stream too, but I cannot seem to save it.

Sabbath
Jun 29, 2004, 11:03 AM
that was an incredible keynote. like everybody else, my first reaction to reading about it was "meh", but I was totally sold after watching Stevie.

I too am joining this camp, Tiger looks great especially spotlight and the CoreImage and video, I like eye candy. I don't like the look of the Dashbaord widgets though, I hope they have different appearances in the finally version, although I doubt it. I also can't believe that multiple person conferencing is a more requested feature than multiple protocols. I doubt we will ever see multiple protocols from Apple I just wish we would. Everyone in this country uses damn msn arrgghh.

Even the displays look much better from any angle other than that terrible front on view, I'm surprised Apple is using the front on view for most of its pictures.

edesignuk
Jun 29, 2004, 11:17 AM
300k STREAM - FULL DOWNLOAD (397MB). (http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/2047/1141/300_04/neo.qtv.apple.com/secure/jun/wwdc_2004/wwdc_300.mov)

Diatribe
Jun 29, 2004, 11:20 AM
300k stream full download (397MB). (http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/2047/1141/300_04/neo.qtv.apple.com/secure/jun/wwdc_2004/wwdc_300.mov)

Thanks. Exactly what I needed.

TorbX
Jun 29, 2004, 11:33 AM
Question number 1:
I love eyecandy. That's part of why I bought my PB 12" 867 MHz in the first place. Now, will it be able to pull off the Dasboard-effects? Will the darn thing turn obsolete now!?

Question number 2:
Regarding iChat: I live in Norway. We don't use AOL here. No Europeans do. I've been hoping for better external IM-support in iChat. Watching the keynote, it came to my attention that the iChat-icon lacks the AOL yellow running man. Is this a sign...?

obiwan
Jun 29, 2004, 11:40 AM
Like most of you guys (and gals) I too was more impressed by the keynote (and Tiger especially) than I thought I would be.

I felt Jaguar was a monumental improvement on 10.1, so when Panther came along I thought it can't be much better than Jaguar - I was wrong! - Since using Panther on my G5, Exposé and the new Finder have really transformed the way I work. When I heard of the new Tiger features I was un-impressed, and thought Apple can't improve the OS by a big leap again surely? - Well, looks like I was wrong again! - The new core-image and core-video technologies look really impressive. So does iChat (I just which I had 3 friends with iSight cameras!)

The only thing that worries me is that the technology is so far-ahead of what the other side is doing (if you know what I mean). I fear that when developers produce cross-platform applications - they often like to adopt feature parity between the different platforms, so they are seen to be 'platform neutral'. - What this may mean in practice, is that Mac versions of their software get deliberately crippled in order to keep the features of Mac & Windows (oops said it!) software the same.

- I mean, surely they are not going to offer 'enhanced' software for Mac users (Photoshop/Director etc. would greatly benefit from Core Video/Image technology). But I'm sure neither Adobe or Macromedia want to get into a political battle of which is the best OS.

stukick
Jun 29, 2004, 11:54 AM
After watching the WWDC webcast, I can honestly say that the 30" display looks a tad too big, even clumsy. It doesn't seem very stable on the pedistal design.

I wish they would have kep the old "two leg" design, and just reworked them with the aluminum.

Oh well...back to the drawing board. :(

whooleytoo
Jun 29, 2004, 12:01 PM
Everyone keeps saying there's nothing for consumers (as if Tiger users aren't consumers). I expect to see the coreImage and coreVideo show up in iLife for Tiger. Now that would be cool.


That would make sense, GarageBand using CoreAudio, iPhoto using CoreImage and iMovie using CoreVideo. How much they use them is another matter, Apple won't want consumer apps overlapping with the pro apps.

Windowlicker
Jun 29, 2004, 12:05 PM
Ok, there were software enhancements that are good for the future of Apple. But nothing in terms of hardware to drive the consumer to Aplle. I guess that is why the stock closed down 3.59%. And why they did not do a live broadcast.

keep in mind the wwdc is a world wide DEVELOPERS conference, not wwcc.

justytylor
Jun 29, 2004, 12:14 PM
i'm probably fairly alone on this one, but there is no way i will completely switch before counterstrike is available for macs. also, the new monitors have a typical response time (http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html) of 16ms which is no good for any gamer (playing fps like cs, doom3, ut2004 etc.). otherwise i'm impressed. then again life isn't just fun and games. ;)

Sadly, that will never happen, though with Sierra Online's recent demise, maybe somebody could convince someone at Vivendi/Universal to allow Valve to get somebody to port Half Life...

As for your assessment of LCDs for gaming, I do fine with Halo on my PowerBook, and I'm pretty sure that the panels Apple is offering will do fine (will any FPS efficiently run that 30" monster? I hope so...)

ifjake
Jun 29, 2004, 12:18 PM
Jobs fibs again!!!

MS2004 is not better on the mac than it is on Windows.
You still can't play movies in powerpoint! Untill they fix that bug, it's not better.!!!

Really tho... Anyone know of a fix for the lag playback in PP?

i think Job's response would be for you to get Keynote.

ziwi
Jun 29, 2004, 12:21 PM
I wanted it to be so much more - watching it didn't make new products magically appear though.

The Red Wolf
Jun 29, 2004, 12:27 PM
i'm glad they put this up. one thing i was kind of boggled about is why ubisoft got so much time to show myst 4. it's not like myst 4 will be a massive blockbuster and it's also not like myst 4 has amazing graphics. it just seemed to me to be somewhat pointless to have that as part of a developer conference keynote.

You may not care about Myst IV. You may not even like puzzle games. Or may have ignored the fact that the environments in the demo were alive. Sky, rain, wind, etc... all powered by Alias' Maya for creation. But what it represents... Dual release on PC and Mac. This is coming from a company which didn't even bother to release Uru (also by Cyan from the same franchise) and complained that "not enough people signed up for it". They shut down the Uru MAMOG servers. Myst started on the Mac. They abounded Uru's fanbase by not releasing it for the Mac. Ultimately ruining the concept of a "live" Myst universe. Having Ubisoft do a simultaneous release for OS-X marks that a normally PC dedicated software company is supporting OS-X as a viable platform for gaming. I think it would be nice to get Doom 3, Halo 2, Halflife 2 (Halflife and Counter-strike never released on the Mac) -or any other future game that would appeal to you- all simultaneously released for the Mac.

killmoms
Jun 29, 2004, 12:33 PM
i'm probably fairly alone on this one, but there is no way i will completely switch before counterstrike is available for macs. also, the new monitors have a typical response time (http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html) of 16ms which is no good for any gamer (playing fps like cs, doom3, ut2004 etc.). otherwise i'm impressed. then again life isn't just fun and games. ;)
CounterStrike will never be available for the Mac, since Valve has never (and seems they will never) port their Half Life or Half Life 2 (Source) engines to the Mac. DOOM III however, like all of id software's and John Carmack's recent work, is built on industry standards like OpenGL, and will be available for the Mac (I believe concurrently with the PC version).

And the response time of 16ms is the fastest in the industry right now; there are no LCD panels I'm aware of that are faster than this. Even 25ms panels which are mostly standard now are sufficient for gaming in most cases. 16ms should be perfectly adequate for all but the most anal players.

--Cless

justytylor
Jun 29, 2004, 12:39 PM
CounterStrike will never be available for the Mac, since Valve has never (and seems they will never) port their Half Life or Half Life 2 (Source) engines to the Mac.

AFAIK, Sierra OnLine pulled the porting project for HL. With Sierra OnLine getting dusted up at Universal, maybe there's a chance that someone with some brains (given the success of Halo on the Mac; I'm not saying that it was a success on the scale of PC games, but it sold well) will get HL or HL2 out the door.

iJon
Jun 29, 2004, 12:45 PM
Question number 1:
I love eyecandy. That's part of why I bought my PB 12" 867 MHz in the first place. Now, will it be able to pull off the Dasboard-effects? Will the darn thing turn obsolete now!?

Question number 2:
Regarding iChat: I live in Norway. We don't use AOL here. No Europeans do. I've been hoping for better external IM-support in iChat. Watching the keynote, it came to my attention that the iChat-icon lacks the AOL yellow running man. Is this a sign...?
i believe i did read that in the new tiger server you can have your own ichat server know, so maybe they are broadening it up a little bit.

iJon

The Red Wolf
Jun 29, 2004, 01:06 PM
You must not have much experience with photoshop. Filters are but one of thousand of features in the app. Don't get me wrong, Core image looks impressive, but it is no photoshop replacement. No where even close.

Core Image isn't supposed to replace Photoshop. It's there to enhance Photoshop's functionality. A Core Image supported Photoshop 12 would blow a Windows Photoshop 12 version out of the water in performance. Core Image (Same thing with Core Audio and Core Video) isn't meant to replace an app. It's the foundation for developers to utilize the GPU in their OS-X native image applications.

afields
Jun 29, 2004, 01:23 PM
Well after a day to think it over and see the keynote, I'm not as disappointed as I was yesterday. Jobs is certainly a good salesman. I hope we can get at least a g4 update for the imac soon.






BOOM!

m.r.m.
Jun 29, 2004, 01:30 PM
Question number 2:
Regarding iChat: I live in Norway. We don't use AOL here. No Europeans do. I've been hoping for better external IM-support in iChat. Watching the keynote, it came to my attention that the iChat-icon lacks the AOL yellow running man. Is this a sign...?

i certainly hope so. i live in germany and don't use aim either. all my friends and i use icq. is there a way of getting the icq number into ichat?

m.r.m.
Jun 29, 2004, 01:43 PM
CounterStrike will never be available for the Mac, since Valve has never (and seems they will never) port their Half Life or Half Life 2 (Source) engines to the Mac. DOOM III however, like all of id software's and John Carmack's recent work, is built on industry standards like OpenGL, and will be available for the Mac (I believe concurrently with the PC version).

And the response time of 16ms is the fastest in the industry right now; there are no LCD panels I'm aware of that are faster than this. Even 25ms panels which are mostly standard now are sufficient for gaming in most cases. 16ms should be perfectly adequate for all but the most anal players.

--Cless

i agree with the first, but not with your final statement. i'm sure you're right in saying that 16ms is the best at the moment, but that is way almost all gamers (that play cs) avoid lcd displays. you need a faster response rate to avoid that shimmer (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=909512&highlight=counterstrike#post909512) following the strafing models (maybe it's not just related to response time, but other factors as well, but i have yet to find a lcd display performing better than a standard crt (<--?) monitor). i'm not anal at all and i'm def. willing to be corrected. basically i'd love to have a powermac + display, but alas i can't even afford the cheapest combination. :( :D

edgar_is_good
Jun 29, 2004, 01:50 PM
But if the iRemote is functionable and he is using it on stage, why would he not have said anything about it when he was talking about airport express. Why miss out on a golden oppurtunity. Anyway wasn't he using the same device in his other presentations?

Edit: just checked out the Macworld 2004 stream, he uses the same remote there.

OK, I may have been a little overeager, but I'm still troubled by a couple of things:

First, Steveo was using keynote for some time in his keynotes before it was released to the public. He could totally be using a new device up there (disguised in blue).

Second, the thing clearly has a _screen_. I looked on the Apple store and couldn't find a clicker with a screen, and for good reason. A clicker is just a mouse, and there's no standard for feeding information back to a mouse that would require a screen. A new apple product, though


I won't insist that it's necessarily something, but I'd feel a lot better if someone could point me to a website that sold whatever it is he's holding.

And, after all, isn't speculation the name of the game?

itsa
Jun 29, 2004, 02:03 PM
i think Job's response would be for you to get Keynote.

Keynote sucks! You can't even loop a song over more than one slide.
What kind of slideshow is that? Keynotes is more for the biz side of things.

billyboy
Jun 29, 2004, 02:05 PM
One hour 40 minutes was just the right length for my typical two hour lunch break. Keynote and a slap up lunch afterwards, how good does it get.

Like Phil Schiller said, if he is to believed, it took a bloke a week to write the programme that mesmerised everyone with the power of core video and core image. I cant help but think that we will see some spectacular software improvements that will finally emphasise the inbuilt power of OSX and G5 technology. Resistance is futile Windows zealots!!

All through the keynote I just kept getting hints at a strategy way beyond wowing current Mac users. For instance, a more MS friendly system. This is not meant to be just a way to make current Mac users feel more at home in the corporate world, which is good, but more importantly, it is an invite to current MS supporting corporations to rethink their upgrading plans

- ie Tiger and its meta data searching, make it hopefully impossible for anyone to lose a file however disorganised and computer illiterate they are This is the principal feature of Longhorn I believe. Visual scripts will make workflows brain dead easy to set up. One mediocre whiz kid in the office can just mail their script creation to everyone else and bang, total integrated workflow. Tiger will be out in 2005 and working these features like a dream, we hope, whereas anyone thinking about upgrading the MS route might be able to do so in 2006, 2007. This is a long time to wait, assuming it is even stable then.

Windowlicker
Jun 29, 2004, 02:34 PM
By the time Tiger launches, that PowerMac will be 3 years old - 3 years in graphic card terms is a long time - and CoreImage and CoreVideo look pretty resource intensive. I'm not surprised the specs are so high.

um.. i have a rev a g5 that has geforce fx 5200. it'll work, right? because the site says "NVIDIA GeForceFX Go 5200" and "NVIDIA GeForceFX 5200 Ultra".

it has to work.. otherwise i'll kill someone.

sinisterdesign
Jun 29, 2004, 02:36 PM
But if the iRemote is functionable and he is using it on stage, why would he not have said anything about it when he was talking about airport express. Why miss out on a golden oppurtunity. Anyway wasn't he using the same device in his other presentations?

Edit: just checked out the Macworld 2004 stream, he uses the same remote there.

yeah, i'm pretty sure it's an old garage door remote that he painted blue & had one of the tech guys rewire to the projector.

i would have a HARD time not screwing w/ people like us if i were steve. wear some funky phone on your belt, pick up the defunct iPDA briefly, patent really stupid things...stuff like that just to mess w/ us fanatics.

"did you hear?? apple just patented a new George Forman grill w/ wi-fi built RIGHT IN"
"yeah, but did you see the new PDA steve was using before he walked on stage? i heard it's holographic & syncs with the new iFridge so i know when i'm running out of mountain dew..."

Windowlicker
Jun 29, 2004, 02:52 PM
Thanks. Exactly what I needed.

yeah me too. i'm on isdn and you wouldn't believe how good quality I actually get from the stream (no joke!), but this full quality stream is nice. i'm gonna watch some parts a couple of times..

can't wait till next year now! tiger seems to be such a kick ass product -- one to two years before longhorn and already ahead of it ;D

Windowlicker
Jun 29, 2004, 03:20 PM
what does everyone think of Aran Anderson of Orbit? he coded Orbit by HIMSELF?? what a GEEK! What a legend!!!!

you're absolutely positively right there! :D supernerd.

Tulse
Jun 29, 2004, 03:30 PM
Core Image isn't supposed to replace Photoshop. It's there to enhance Photoshop's functionality. It's not intended to replace Photoshop, but it makes a phenomenal foundation for a replacement if Adobe gets uppity. I use Photoshop professionally, and it looks like Core Image does most of the heavy lifting needed for a pro-quality graphics editing application. Heck, some of the features, such as non-destructive editing and separate text layers, weren't seen until relatively recently in Photoshop, and many of Photoshops effects are still relatively slow. Now, practically anyone can put such things into their app -- imagine what GraphicConverter for Tiger will look like.

No, Core Imaging isn't a Photoshop-killer as-is. But it makes it much easier for Apple (or a third party) to get into the pro-level image editing arena in a big way. This technology is a double-edged sword for Adobe -- when Steve said "We'd love to see Adobe create killer image editing with this", I heard the implicit threat "If you don't, someone else will -- perhaps even Apple."

iChan
Jun 29, 2004, 03:30 PM
All through the keynote I just kept getting hints at a strategy way beyond wowing current Mac users. For instance, a more MS friendly system. This is not meant to be just a way to make current Mac users feel more at home in the corporate world, which is good, but more importantly, it is an invite to current MS supporting corporations to rethink their upgrading plans

- ie Tiger and its meta data searching, make it hopefully impossible for anyone to lose a file however disorganised and computer illiterate they are This is the principal feature of Longhorn I believe. Visual scripts will make workflows brain dead easy to set up. One mediocre whiz kid in the office can just mail their script creation to everyone else and bang , total integrated workflow. Tiger will be out in 2005 and working these features like a dream, we hope, whereas anyone thinking about upgrading the MS route might be able to do so in 2006, 2007. This is a long time to wait, assuming it is even stable then.

bang? don't you mean BOOM!?? Booya!

whooleytoo
Jun 29, 2004, 03:31 PM
um.. i have a rev a g5 that has geforce fx 5200. it'll work, right? because the site says "NVIDIA GeForceFX Go 5200" and "NVIDIA GeForceFX 5200 Ultra".

it has to work.. otherwise i'll kill someone.

I don't know the Nvidia line well enough, but I'd imagine you're fine.

..and I'm not just saying that 'cos I'm scared..

iGary
Jun 29, 2004, 07:52 PM
Well, after watching the Keynote, I can say I'm very excited for the introduction of Tiger. :D

applemacdude
Jun 29, 2004, 08:08 PM
I still think Tiger needs one more thing. Dont know what it is but to me ot is indeed missing something more...

benoda
Jun 29, 2004, 11:45 PM
Originally Posted by benoda
I can't stream the keynote. Everytime I try, quicktime just sits there with the blue Q and the movie dot line at the bottom of the screen. If I try it on my PC it has no problem, but with the powerbook I have no luck.

Anyone seen this before?

Check your powerbook's firewall settings.


I don't my firewall turned on. I can view all quicktime media if it's in the browser, but if it launches quicktime seperately I get nothing.......anyone?

Thanks!

johnnyjibbs
Jun 30, 2004, 04:35 AM
If you look at Steve Job's demos, the iChat AV icon in the dock contains the bubble but not the AOL icon. Does this suggest that it may expand into other protocols too? (i.e. MSN, Yahoo, etc) It would be great if it did.

rdowns
Jun 30, 2004, 05:15 AM
He was in much greater form than he was in the UK. Hopefully, we'll be able to customize the blue corners out, if desired, by the time Tiger is released.

As with any public speaking, the more enthusiastic your audience, the better the speaker's performance.

Zeto3987
Jun 30, 2004, 06:46 AM
To Benoda

If you are using a router, go to System Preferences then the quicktime preference pane. Go to the connection tab and click on transport setup... then change it from automatic to use this protocol and port id. Change the transport protocol to HTTP and the port to 80 and click ok. Should fix your problem. I had the same thing happening to me when I first got my mac. This fixed it though.

TorbX
Jun 30, 2004, 08:07 AM
If you look at Steve Job's demos, the iChat AV icon in the dock contains the bubble but not the AOL icon. Does this suggest that it may expand into other protocols too? (i.e. MSN, Yahoo, etc) It would be great if it did.

I sure hope so! That'd be AMAZINGLY great! iChat as it stands today, is useless for Europeans. Of course, americans is happy with AOL, but I'm not...

Dave Swift
Jun 30, 2004, 08:14 AM
I sure hope so! That'd be AMAZINGLY great! iChat as it stands today, is useless for Europeans. Of course, americans is happy with AOL, but I'm not...

The AOL "buddy" is missing from the "Tiger Sneak Preview" on the Apple website as well.

Stupid question of the day... Europeans can't use America Online? I know it has American in the name, but I always thought it was a global service.

johnnyjibbs
Jun 30, 2004, 08:24 AM
The AOL "buddy" is missing from the "Tiger Sneak Preview" on the Apple website as well.

Stupid question of the day... Europeans can't use America Online? I know it has American in the name, but I always thought it was a global service.
TorbX is simply saying that in general only Americans use AOL as an IM service. MSN is by far the most popular in Europe, along with Yahoo too. That is why iChat is less useful.

blue&whiteman
Jun 30, 2004, 08:46 AM
adium and fire trump every other msg app there is

wdlove
Jun 30, 2004, 11:52 AM
I'm looking forward to viewing the Keynote. Dose anyone know if it has been edited?

sjk
Jun 30, 2004, 02:37 PM
WWDC 2004 Keynote (http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/2047/1141/300_04/neo.qtv.apple.com/secure/jun/wwdc_2004/wwdc_300.mov) [397MB]

gloftis
Jun 30, 2004, 08:53 PM
Ok, there were software enhancements that are good for the future of Apple. But nothing in terms of hardware to drive the consumer to Aplle. I guess that is why the stock closed down 3.59%. And why they did not do a live broadcast.

Let's see, on board visual effects that joe schlomo can use to make family videos more entertaining, a search engine that actually works for non-anal users, an AV chat system that lets multiple users video conference just like big business. An OS that non-propellor heads can use and a computer package that your grandparents can buy, take home, connect, and use without the aid of a 14-year-old boy.

Add Appleworks ($50), Ragtime (Free for personal use), or OpenOffice (Free when the carbon version is released), and you can do anything 80+% of comptuer users need to do...without resorting to any Micro#*&@ software, without BSDs, and without the heartbreak of viruses.

If Apple ever learns to promote their products that way, Baby Boomers will flock to Apple. They don't need 3 Ghz; they just want to send e-mail, write Christmas letters, and surf. And they have $500 Billion to spend.

No new hardware? Not the problem. The problem is a fixation on what computers do, not how easily people can do what they want to do with a MAC!