Glastonbury 2004..... The Experience of a lifetime. [Archive]

iGav

Jun 29, 2004, 11:07 AM

amnesiac1984

Jun 29, 2004, 11:24 AM

The last time I went was 1999 and it had a serious line up... R.E.M., Underworld, Patti Smith, Afro-Celt, Vega, Cardigans, Orbital, Marianne Faithful etc etc... last year probably edged it with R.E.M., Radiohead and Moby though... ;)

Must say I loved it, we were blessed with 5 days of solid Sunshine till the Monday when we left and it started to rain. heheh

I was going to go this year, I had the offer of tickets, but the lineup was fankly appalling... Oasis and McCartney killed it for me... I can't think of 2 worse headliners than that....

It's an awesome experience though, probably the last of the proper festivals that isn't overly commercialised like Reading, Pinkpop, Roskilde, Woodstock incarnations etc etc. Glastonbury has remained relatively pure to its roots. ;)

It's a shame the Phoenix festivals were killed in the '90's, IMHO they crucified every other festival for pure musical diversity and lineups... pretty much solid music, and the home of the legendary Megadog Dance Tent... ;) none of the quasi-hippy-new religion *****! ;)

Can you f**kin' pogo or what! HELL YEAH!!!! heheheh :D

This was my first one, and to be honest, I would still go again if there was NO music next time.! LOL

Seriously, it wasn't the greatest lineup, and Macca was a cock, but the new tent on friday was going off, the bees followed by spiritualized, maybe it was the drugs but I was on another planet!

Orbital on sunday was a similar experience and the Chems Light show was something of the Like I had never seen before.

It was more of a spiritual experience than a musical one, and I'm not normally a very spiritual person.

Oh Yeah two words: JAMES BROWN!

iGav

Jun 29, 2004, 11:38 AM

This was my first one, and to be honest, I would still go again if there was NO music next time.! LOL

Seriously, it wasn't the greatest lineup, and Macca was a cock, but the new tent on friday was going off, the bees followed by spiritualized, maybe it was the drugs but I was on another planet!

Orbital on sunday was a similar experience and the Chems Light show was something of the Like I had never seen before.

It was more of a spiritual experience than a musical one, and I'm not normally a very spiritual person.

Oh Yeah two words: JAMES BROWN!

I can't stand The Beatles... or it's individuals personal works.... and I really dislike the Beatles/Quo tribute act Quoasis. *sighs* Liam gets right on my t*ts the no talent hack!

Did you get up to the Green Field?? I hit there on the Sunday evening after the Afro-Celt claimed the starry night as their own, and was privileged enought to be part of a small impromptu jam session with a couple of it's members that evening in the Green Field till the wee hours of Monday morning. ;)

Most amazing festival moment I've experienced?? I'd say Portishead at the FREE Ashton Court/Bristol Community Festival... They came on as the sun was setting, and performed till the stars came out to play. Beautiful. Truly beautiful. *dreamy sighs*

Glad you enjoyed it matey... ;)

amnesiac1984

Jun 29, 2004, 12:21 PM

I can't stand The Beatles... or it's individuals personal works.... and I really dislike the Beatles/Quo tribute act Quoasis. *sighs* Liam gets right on my t*ts the no talent hack!

Did you get up to the Green Field?? I hit there on the Sunday evening after the Afro-Celt claimed the starry night as their own, and was privileged enought to be part of a small impromptu jam session with a couple of it's members that evening in the Green Field till the wee hours of Monday morning. ;)

Most amazing festival moment I've experienced?? I'd say Portishead at the FREE Ashton Court/Bristol Community Festival... They came on as the sun was setting, and performed till the stars came out to play. Beautiful. Truly beautiful. *dreamy sighs*

Glad you enjoyed it matey... ;)

Man I was camping a stones throw from the green fields.

Plenty of good times were had there. One of the best perhaps would have been joining in on the bongos for the sunrise on Saturday morning at the stone circle. I met lots of people that night, it was truly magical!

suraj

Jun 29, 2004, 03:17 PM

I can't stand The Beatles... or it's individuals personal works.... and I really dislike the Beatles/Quo tribute act Quoasis. *sighs* Liam gets right on my t*ts the no talent hack!

Did you get up to the Green Field?? I hit there on the Sunday evening after the Afro-Celt claimed the starry night as their own, and was privileged enought to be part of a small impromptu jam session with a couple of it's members that evening in the Green Field till the wee hours of Monday morning. ;)

Most amazing festival moment I've experienced?? I'd say Portishead at the FREE Ashton Court/Bristol Community Festival... They came on as the sun was setting, and performed till the stars came out to play. Beautiful. Truly beautiful. *dreamy sighs*

Glad you enjoyed it matey... ;)

Oasis, McCartney, Beatles > You.

I pity anyone who can't appreciate beautiful music.

oreo

Jun 30, 2004, 03:37 AM

I went to Glastonbury 10 years ago, amazing experience. I'd love to go back but I just think it won't be as good. It was a good line up that year as well. Bjork, Blur, pulp, lemonheads, Elvis costello, Johnny Cash, Nick cave, ride, rage against the machine, Paul weller, James, Manic street preachers, Beastie boys, radiohead, orbital, oh yeah oasis were playing as well. That is one band that annoys me, liam & noel are such prats.

iGav

Jun 30, 2004, 04:03 AM

Oasis, McCartney, Beatles

those very words make me cringe... heheheheh

fingers

Jun 30, 2004, 07:47 AM

Right that is it - if it's on next year I am going!

I have never been to Glastonbury (the festival anyways) - I really can't believe that...

I don't really care who's playing - the bits I saw on tv were awesome - Toots and the Maytals, Keane, Scissor Sisters, Zero7, Joss Stone

I AM going - and I AM gonna camp by the green field ;)

What is the best way to buy tickets? Who from? Etc - I don't wanna miss out!

I am glad you lot had a magical time - I'll see you next year ;)

amnesiac1984

Jun 30, 2004, 11:49 AM

Oasis > You.

I'm sorry but a twelve year old kid who can only play three chords would be better than oasis. As for the Beatles, I do have respect for SOME of their music, and I actually enjoy some of it.

I guarantee to you that, as a musician I am better than Oasis, and if you took your fingers out of your ears and started listening to some real music you could be better than oasis too, it really isn't hard.

There are plenty of meaningful and good arguments as to why the beatles are good, there are none whatsoever for Oasis, and this is a challenge to you. Why the ****** are Oasis any good?

brap

Jun 30, 2004, 12:25 PM

A mate of mine went to see Nine Inch Nails a couple of years back, but apart from that, none of the lineups have inspired anyone in my circle of friends. One or two acts for that price just isn't feasible.
Right that is it - if it's on next year I am going!
...the bits I saw on tv were awesome...

Yeah, I just happened to turn on BBC3 when the only act I wanted to see were on (Basement Jaxx). Looked like a hell of a night. Pity the rest of the lineup was appalling, and TBH camping in a muddy field with smelly hippies doesn't really do it for me. Looking forward to Infest - and daily showers ;)

yuc7zhd2

Jun 30, 2004, 04:10 PM

In all honesty, I don't understand how anyone can listen to the white album, for instance, and even say 'the beatles are alright'. They are the greatest ****ing band in the history of music. When I listen to them, the thought 'whats the point' in regards to the creation of new music enters my mind. I haven't been a beatles fan for life. In fact, only within the last few years have I even listened to them at all. One of the most wonderful experiences in my life was walking into a bar, and the ensuing singalong (everyone, a middle aged black guy, late teenagers, twenty somethings, middle aged women, young women) from Glass Onion to Martha my dear when those songs were played. The Beatles are the one pop act I can think of that have honestly had a lating effect for the better on society. I mean, radiohead have been my fave band since 93, but hail to the thief, come on, that album was total ****e. And as far as oasis go, there live act is amazing, there is undeniable songwriting talent there, liam and noel are pricks, but the music and live show are amazing. You can't tell me you don't get a feeling in the pit of your stomache when 100,000 people are singing along to don't look back in anger. They may just be a rip off band, but at least they're a rip off band of the greatest band that ever was. Macca is a prick though, thats agreed, and his solo career has sucked hard.

brap

Jun 30, 2004, 04:27 PM

... They are the greatest ****ing band in the history of music. When I listen to them, the thought 'whats the point' in regards to the creation of new music enters my mind.
Sure, the Beatles were great at the time. Huge pop sensation, blah, blah, whatever. People need to move on.
You can't seriously say if the Beatles hadn't made the big-time, nobody else would have defined the popular music genre. The market was there; the kids had disposable income and record players. They sang about love, love, love, and everything was happy in the face of a modern, informed society (where your little slice of escapism is more than necessary).
Nostalgia rocks. I quite like the 'Magical mystery tour' album, I also listen to 'Morning glory' every now and again... but there is much more out there. Even for weirdos who like guitar bands.

yuc7zhd2

Jun 30, 2004, 04:34 PM

thats the thing about it though, I listened to warp records stuff and portishead and ninja tune and mo wax **** for a number of years almost exclusively. My point is, that if you actually give the beatles a listen, its timeless and wonderful. And you can't give me that time's change, good for the time bs either, because the human condition is constant. nothing really changes except how people wear their hair.

brap

Jun 30, 2004, 04:44 PM

...the human condition is constant. nothing really changes except how people wear their hair.
Sounds like a religious experience. Hey, if it works for you, go with it, but I've always found the Beatles to have horribly cliché lyrics and fairly simplistic production... maybe I'll reach some kind of enlightenment, heh. Give me Squarepusher any day of the week...

amnesiac1984

Jun 30, 2004, 06:37 PM

I mean, radiohead have been my fave band since 93, but hail to the thief, come on, that album was total ****e.

I happen to think its their greatest album since OK Computer, its truly interesting and new music. With those classic Yorke Lyrics.

THis album takes what they learned doing Kid A and Amnesiac and gives it the Radiohead Anthemic song touch.

suraj

Jun 30, 2004, 09:15 PM

I'm sorry but a twelve year old kid who can only play three chords would be better than oasis. As for the Beatles, I do have respect for SOME of their music, and I actually enjoy some of it.

I guarantee to you that, as a musician I am better than Oasis, and if you took your fingers out of your ears and started listening to some real music you could be better than oasis too, it really isn't hard.

There are plenty of meaningful and good arguments as to why the beatles are good, there are none whatsoever for Oasis, and this is a challenge to you. Why the ****** are Oasis any good?

In August 1994 Oasis released 'Definitely Maybe', which was immediately given a '9' by NME. I'm not suggesting NME is 100% accurate, but the I do know that they do not throw 9's around without some justification.

I know lots of people who dislike Oasis, but few of those can honestly say to me that Oasis are terrible musicians or that Definitely Maybe is an 'awful album'.

If you hate Liam or Noel and thus hate Oasis then thats ignorance. That would be like me hating America just because I hate George W. Bush, heck, I love Six Flags :)

To say you're a better musician is, quite literally, a joke. If you are, then I suggest you release an album and hopefully it can top the 60,000,000 album sales that Oasis have manged to gross.

As for taking the "fingers out of my ears", I can only say that I love my music. I've been listening to music since the day I was born. My parents used to play beatles records while I was in my crib and I've continued to appreciate the genius of their music to this day.

I also love Oasis, there music ranges from rather ordinary to brilliant and when they are producing at there best there are few bands around today that can beat them.

I just finished listening to "Oasis - Slide Away" and I think that proves that you are terribly out of order by suggesting you're a better musician then them.

amnesiac1984

Jul 1, 2004, 03:42 AM

In August 1994 Oasis released 'Definitely Maybe', which was immediately given a '9' by NME. I'm not suggesting NME is 100% accurate, but the I do know that they do not throw 9's around without some justification.

I know lots of people who dislike Oasis, but few of those can honestly say to me that Oasis are terrible musicians or that Definitely Maybe is an 'awful album'.

If you hate Liam or Noel and thus hate Oasis then thats ignorance. That would be like me hating America just because I hate George W. Bush, heck, I love Six Flags :)

To say you're a better musician is, quite literally, a joke. If you are, then I suggest you release an album and hopefully it can top the 60,000,000 album sales that Oasis have manged to gross.

As for taking the "fingers out of my ears", I can only say that I love my music. I've been listening to music since the day I was born. My parents used to play beatles records while I was in my crib and I've continued to appreciate the genius of their music to this day.

I also love Oasis, there music ranges from rather ordinary to brilliant and when they are producing at there best there are few bands around today that can beat them.

I just finished listening to "Oasis - Slide Away" and I think that proves that you are terribly out of order by suggesting you're a better musician then them.

I'm not retracting, I've listened to all of Oasis' albums and I still stand by my statement. I do concede that Definately Maybe was there better album by a long shot, but thats not good enough.

Who knows, maybe I will sell 60,000,000 albums one day, or maybe I won't, but albums sales have nothing to do with how good the music is, look at the spice girls for christ sake. I know I sound like the most arrogant prick out there, but I would never claim to be a better musician than anyone, but with oasis it seems blindingly obvious and I just can't help it.

iGav

Jul 1, 2004, 06:04 AM

If you hate Liam or Noel and thus hate Oasis then thats ignorance. That would be like me hating America just because I hate George W. Bush, heck, I love Six Flags

Hahahahahaha... it's totally different... :rolleyes: Noel and Liam ARE Oasis (they've even sacked most of the original band) they define what Oasis is, and sounds like. OASIS ISN'T A BAND, it's a DUO with backup musicians. ;)

When they were first doing the rounds back in the early '90's even before Supersonic had hit the charts, we all thought they were something special, that finally we might have a Brit band that would finally be 'ours', I remember seeing them in 1993 in Leeds, devoid of all the pretensions that they are so full of now... they seemed so vital, so relevent and so intune with what was going on in that time in Britain... ;) and then they released their 2nd album. Hahahaha.

Then the whole unhealthy Beatles fixation, ripping off classic riffs, comparing themselves continously with Lennon and McCartney and believing they were the NEW Beatles and the greatest band on the planet, (they are of course neither).

They've totally failed to ever reinvent themselves either musically or stylistically, and maintain an aloof arrogance that one could understand had they been original, with stunning musicianship and a history or classic albums, but they've made 1 classic (Definitely Maybe) and 5 pi$$ poor copies. :eek: :p , have mediocre muscianship (Noel isn't an especially good guitarist, with a limited set of licks), Liam isn't either a good lyricist (see Songbird) and isn't a great vocalist, some would even argue that he lacks 'charisma' instead replacing it with cocky arrogance and self importance. :rolleyes:

What the ****** Andy Bell is doing playing with them, well I'll never know... *sighs* Ride were a band that Oasis could never, ever be. Original, creative and f**kin' outstanding! ;)

As for the NME, I'm probably pushing 800 copies... and they've given some utter dross 9-10 stars in the past. The NME is never about giving an intelligent and balanced review, it's about hyping and taking the pi$$ :p :p

yuc7zhd2

Jul 1, 2004, 04:16 PM

This thread has continued to be fairly interesting, so I suppose I'll add a few more things to it. Firstly, I can understand the utter disapointment with oasis' failure to progress and change. They have remained constantly unchanging. In fact, I don't own a single oasis album, but I would defend the fact that they're a good band, one of the 'great' recent rock bands (not all time though), and positively possess some talent despite the fact that they're cocks. As far as radiohead go... I really think the band is losing it, in fact I wish they'd just leave radiohead behind now so that I don't look back on them poorly. Heres why... Pablo Honey, terrible overall album, but had some great tracks (not talking about creep), ie blowout, lurgee, etc. To the Bends. Great album, almost unbelievable that the people who made pablo honey wrote it. OK Computer. At this point I thought that there was no way they could ever top themselves. Wrong. Kid A blew my mind and exploded my testicles. Amnesiac. Good album, but didn't top kid a, especially because it was obviously B sides. First time they 'repeated themselves' but I made an exception because it really was just the second disc to kid a. IMBW was the first crappy recording they put out. Hail to the Thief, despite its merits, was not a great album. It was better than anything else from 2003, but it was just okay. It was also the first time radiohead repeated themselves. I don't know how they can do something new and original without Thom doing a throat noises album. Anyways, I don't know why I'm writing all of this, it just seemed to mesh with the topic and I needed to get it out. Thoughts on squarepusher... great music but obviously just jazz with electronic instruments. And ultravisitor, some of the stuff on that album shouldn't even really be classified as music. ie first 15 seconds of ARCHED PATHWAY. Squarepusher is the jesus, but come on. I really don't feel like any bad vibrations are coming from this thread, just some good conversation from music geeks, so lets keep it that way and I hope no one takes offense to the long ass posts I've been making. Do with them as you will.

brap

Jul 1, 2004, 04:50 PM

(they've even sacked most of the original band) ... OASIS ISN'T A BAND, it's a DUO with backup musicians. ;)
Didn't they sack all of the band after one of the sucky albums?
and then they released their 2nd album. Hahahaha.
Ah, it's a fun album. At least, I think it's a fun album. Probably because I don't like the Beatles, and thus the ripoffs don't affect me so much ;)
That said, I've listened to none of the rest through. I couldn't bring myself to. Argh. :eek:
he lacks 'charisma' instead replacing it with cocky arrogance and self importance. :rolleyes:
Don't all... no, most, overtly succesful, overtly adored musicians? - OK, so I'm on thin ice here. The few I've seen whilst flicking thru the music channels.
As for the NME, I'm probably pushing 800 copies...
Oh my.
and they've given some utter dross 9-10 stars in the past. The NME is never about giving an intelligent and balanced review, it's about hyping and taking the pi$$ :p :p
So... why do you read it? I'm honestly curious. I stopped watching MTV2 when it changed from M2 because it because commercial toss; you sound reasonable, why stick with a publication [or indeed anything] that quite obviously sucks so?
...positively possess some talent despite the fact that they're cocks.
(laughing)
...OK Computer. At this point I thought that there was no way they could ever top themselves.
Yeah, damn right. Personally, I don't ever think they did - but I became disappointed after hearing 'Kid A', and never bothered with the rest of their fodder. Once I find an album I can't physically sit through without turning off, I tend to lose interest. Passively hearing tracks from the newer albums hasn't rekindled the admiration I had for OK Computer back in the day.
Thoughts on squarepusher... great music but obviously just jazz with electronic instruments. And ultravisitor, some of the stuff on that album shouldn't even really be classified as music.
'Just jazz'... hehe. Yeah, funky he is indeed. I had the pleasure of seeing him perform in Nottingham a couple of years ago, he arrived onstage with his Bass and proceeded to kick serious ass. Absolutely original. My g/f stole his beer :)
'Arched pathway' IMHO is one of the best tracks on the album; in his live performance as well as occasionally on his albums he uses noise, it's an assault inbetween the more funky escapades. But then, I routinely buy s**tloads from this label (http://www.adnoiseam.net/). Noise is a whole ********* genre, man! :)

If you do one good thing today, download this (http://www.adnoiseam.net/label/catalog/32/sounds/tarmvred-6.mp3) song. Tarmvred is my newest obsession, and this EP is incredible. Note: download is located on Adnoiseam's own servers, it's all completely legit.

amnesiac1984

Jul 1, 2004, 05:35 PM

Yeah, damn right. Personally, I don't ever think they did - but I became disappointed after hearing 'Kid A', and never bothered with the rest of their fodder. Once I find an album I can't physically sit through without turning off, I tend to lose interest. Passively hearing tracks from the newer albums hasn't rekindled the admiration I had for OK Computer back in the day.

Some of the best albums I own (including all the rest of their "fodder") I couldn't physically sit through on first listen, patience has its just rewards.

I find it hard not to love every song Radiohead has ever done, I don't know why, I even love "Push/Pull Revolving doors" form amnesiac which msot people just turn off. Seriously brap, if you like noise you should check out that track!

suraj

Jul 1, 2004, 09:17 PM

I'm not retracting, I've listened to all of Oasis' albums and I still stand by my statement. I do concede that Definately Maybe was there better album by a long shot, but thats not good enough.

Who knows, maybe I will sell 60,000,000 albums one day, or maybe I won't, but albums sales have nothing to do with how good the music is, look at the spice girls for christ sake. I know I sound like the most arrogant prick out there, but I would never claim to be a better musician than anyone, but with oasis it seems blindingly obvious and I just can't help it.

John Squire, Richard Ashcroft, Bono and George Harrison are all people I've heard admire Noel as a guitarist. As for Andy Bell, and Gem Archer, both are stunning musicians and for Andy Bell, being in Oasis is like "Playing for England in Football" (direct quote).

Fair enough if you think you're knowledge of musical aptitude is greater then myself and those who admire Noel Gallagher as a musician then fairplay to you, but I assure you you're wrong.

I can understand someone saying they "dislike" or "dont bother to listen to" Oasis but to go out of you're way to malign them is out of order.

yuc7zhd2

Jul 1, 2004, 10:24 PM

I suppose I really liked kid a because of my own tastes in music at the time. I positively stopped listening to guitar music in a bout 99, and when that came out it possessed enough rock/pop structure while being primarily an 'electronic/experimental' album, albeit amateurish compared to the likes of richard d james, etc. It just really meshed with my tastes at the time, and I believe that Kid A didn't leave my record rotation for about 3 years. I'm listening to guitar music again I suppose, I think some really good guitar pop has came out lately but I really went on a warp kick for quite a while, and still am so primarily I suppose. With the exception of Badly Drawn Boy (Jesus, how does that man do it? Anyone else into the BDB like I am?). I've Even thought about going to the manchester show on september 8th as a birthday present to myself (I'm in the US). Anyone else going?

iGav

Jul 2, 2004, 05:23 AM

So... why do you read it? I'm honestly curious. I stopped watching MTV2 when it changed from M2 because it because commercial toss; you sound reasonable, why stick with a publication [or indeed anything] that quite obviously sucks so?

I never said it sucked... ;) I was merely making a point that it's very difficult to take the NME reviewers seriously, and that they have frequently given dross 9/10 and 10/10. and as such, just because an album receives such a mark, doesn't necessarily make it a 'Great' album :eek: :p

It used to be a very entertaining read (I haven't bought it for a while) although not especially great if you wanted an impartial and intelligent review of an album or band as the NME is famous for either hyping to the hills or taking the pi$$ and total deconstruction of a band... generally the ones they orignally hyped on there debut and then pulled apart because of the 2nd record syndrome. ;)

amnesiac1984

Jul 3, 2004, 11:54 AM

I can understand someone saying they "dislike" or "dont bother to listen to" Oasis but to go out of you're way to malign them is out of order.

Normally I would agree with you if we were talking about any other band, but this is Oasis and they deserve any maligning(?) that comes there way and more!

Normally one might talk about a band taking music forwards and contributing lots to music in general, and if a band sucks one might say that they haven't contributed much, and not furthered music. Oasis on the other hand made music go backwards and considerably harmed British Rock/Pop music IMO :P

I'm glad they existed though, as an example of how not to make music! :)

suraj

Jul 3, 2004, 03:22 PM

Normally I would agree with you if we were talking about any other band, but this is Oasis and they deserve any maligning(?) that comes there way and more!

Normally one might talk about a band taking music forwards and contributing lots to music in general, and if a band sucks one might say that they haven't contributed much, and not furthered music. Oasis on the other hand made music go backwards and considerably harmed British Rock/Pop music IMO :P

I'm glad they existed though, as an example of how not to make music! :)

Your avatar just caught my attention, your point of view makes complete sense. Can't say I haven't heard the same from other Radiohead fans.

Radiohead is certainly one band that Oasis have made look silly at times so I can understand you're frustration.

brap

Jul 3, 2004, 05:13 PM

... Radiohead is certainly one band that Oasis have made look silly at times so I can understand you're (sic) frustration.
Examples..?

amnesiac1984

Jul 3, 2004, 09:12 PM

Radiohead is certainly one band that Oasis have made look silly at times so I can understand you're frustration.

When has this ever happened?

And to suggest that me liking Radiohead has got anything to do with me not liking Oasis is just silly! Well it kind of has somehting to do with maybe, in that I like good music and despise bad music, and by bad music I mean music that adds nothing of interest to the already over saturated market, namely Oasis! Radiohead = Good music, Oasis = Bad Music.

At the end of the day, I really don't give a crap about whether Oasis are crap or not but I like to watch their fans try and defend their pathetic attempt at music as if they are something more than a Joke! :p :D

yuc7zhd2

Jul 4, 2004, 12:16 AM

iGav

Jul 4, 2004, 03:38 AM

The thing with Radiohead is that they've had that instilled creativity and desire that has allowed them to continually evolve and reinvent themselves... now I don't mean reinvent in the Madonna/U2 way which is to pick up the latest fad and copy it to sell more records, but reinvention through creative endeavour to further themselves regardless of their commercial standing.

In that respect alone, Oasis will never be seen or even considered as a 'Great' band, not only through their lack of creative evolution, but also that Noel has admitted that he just rips off other musicians music and in his opinion there is NOTHING wrong with stealing other peoples work. Imagine if the musicians whose work he has stolen decided to sue him like The Stranglers did to Elastica in the mid '90's for stealing a guitar riff. Noel would become a very, very poor man. heheheh.

amnesiac1984

Jul 4, 2004, 05:42 AM

Oasis quite frequently are quoted as badmouthing Radiohead. If you ever check out ateaseweb.com you'll see these quotes more than anything. Mostly it is talk of thom yorke being 'too depressed' or whatever.

Exactly, but this doesn't reflect badly on radiohead jsut because some drunk twat of a manc doesn't like them.

Radiohead tend to offer opinions on various issues when interviewed, normally quite interesting ones too. Oasis, on the other hand, when interviewed tend to shout and get angry at people and usually, when trying to make someone else look silly end up making arses of themselves!

BTW, Anyone ever heard Radiohead's cover of Wonderwall from MTV live?
Quite amusing!

amnesiac1984

Jul 4, 2004, 05:45 AM

Noel has admitted that he just rips off other musicians music and in his opinion there is NOTHING wrong with stealing other peoples work.

Wow, I didn't realise he so freely admitted it, in that case, I say to Noel, in the words of Bill Hicks: "There is no rationalisation for what you do, you are Satan Spawn, Kill yourself!"

iGav

Jul 4, 2004, 10:10 AM

being in Oasis is like "Playing for England in Football" (direct quote).

like playing for a bunch of losers??? yep that about sums it up. hahahahaha
:p :p :p *naughty iGav* heheheh

iGav

Jul 4, 2004, 10:38 AM

Wow, I didn't realise he so freely admitted it,

Yep... Marc Bolan is rolling in his grave... :eek: :p :p

In the words of Justine Frischmann "I would've thought he was being ironic, if he wasn't so ********* thick"... just about sums it up about the Gallagher Brothers for me. :eek: :p :p

Either way, this whole Oasis topic is both a subjective and objective argument. For some, they are the best, greatest etc etc etc and to others... they just don't rate.

Variety eh'... a wonderful, wonderful thing. ;) :)

suraj

Jul 4, 2004, 03:25 PM

Yep... Marc Bolan is rolling in his grave... :eek: :p :p

In the words of Justine Frischmann "I would've thought he was being ironic, if he wasn't so ********* thick"... just about sums it up about the Gallagher Brothers for me. :eek: :p :p

Either way, this whole Oasis topic is both a subjective and objective argument. For some, they are the best, greatest etc etc etc and to others... they just don't rate.

Variety eh'... a wonderful, wonderful thing. ;) :)

Amen to that, to be honest I can't be arsed continuing on a debate that just won't make headway with some people.

To each their own.

Ps- I have heard the Wonderwall "cover" if you can call it that, whats he trying to prove anyways? Most Radiohead fans would be over the moon if Wonderwall was done by Radiohead on The Bends :p

iGav

Jul 4, 2004, 04:29 PM

Amen to that, to be honest I can't be arsed continuing on a debate that just won't make headway with some people.

To each their own.

don't stress about it or take it personally... ;) variety is the spice and that, if everyone liked the same stuff, then taking the pi$$ wouldn't be as much fun! :p

to be honest, I think this discussion has by (old skool MR standards) been pretty tame... everyone is going to have their own take, tastes and view points on music. Believe me, if half the ***** I've got running in iTunes was ever made public, I'd be a social outcast and eternally shunned :eek: :p :p

Ps- I have heard the Wonderwall "cover" if you can call it that, whats he trying to prove anyways? Most Radiohead fans would be over the moon if Wonderwall was done by Radiohead on The Bends :p

What's he trying to prove?? that he can sing... heheheh :eek: :p

if you thought that cover was bad... then you ought to hear the 'Mike Flowers Pop' version.... :eek: :p

suraj

Jul 4, 2004, 05:41 PM

don't stress about it or take it personally... ;) variety is the spice and that, if everyone liked the same stuff, then taking the pi$$ wouldn't be as much fun! :p

to be honest, I think this discussion has by (old skool MR standards) been pretty tame... everyone is going to have their own take, tastes and view points on music. Believe me, if half the ***** I've got running in iTunes was ever made public, I'd be a social outcast and eternally shunned :eek: :p :p

What's he trying to prove?? that he can sing... heheheh :eek: :p

if you thought that cover was bad... then you ought to hear the 'Mike Flowers Pop' version.... :eek: :p

Truly there is nothing more evil then the Mike Flowers Pop version of Wonderwall :eek:

If anything, it's always good to see that people are passionate about their musical preferences.

On the other hand there has to be some kind of common ground here....anyone like The Verve/Richard Ashcroft?

amnesiac1984

Jul 4, 2004, 06:08 PM

On the other hand there has to be some kind of common ground here....anyone like The Verve/Richard Ashcroft?

I'm not the biggest fan, but I do respect him as a Musician (sometimes) and I love his tune (lonely souls) he did with UNKLE (DJ Shadow and James Lavelle).

If you haven't heard it you should check it out, its on an album called Psyence Fiction (I think that's how it's spelt). It also features collaborations with Thom Yorke and The Beastie Boys among others! Truly a great album actually.

I'm not the biggest fan of the Manchester music scene which spawned Oasis, Ian Brown (twat!) etc (although I like some of the stone roses stuff) I don't really like their kind of, we're from Manchester **** all you bastards attitude.

Lately however I've mostly been listening to Anticon Hip/Hop like Sole and Buck 65 among others. MY guitary music has been quite removed from anything rock based for quite a while! After growing up a big rock fan I am really in despair as to where it has gone, it just seems to suck big time at the moment with all of these new babies of the NME bands called The Somethings all equally sucking as each other. I've been listening to more folk/blues soul, like MAson Jennings, Ben Harper and Karate (Geoff Farina), and anyone heard of Keziah Jones? AWESOME

yuc7zhd2

Jul 4, 2004, 06:24 PM

amnesiac1984

Jul 4, 2004, 06:49 PM

Hmm, Ben harper is okay. I've been listening to a lot of Bob Dylan lately (highway 61 revisited). As far as newish bands go Franz Ferdinand is pretty good for a rock band in my opinion. Anyone into Godspeed or Mogwai here? The whole manchester thing you mention, you should check this (http://www.twistednerve.com/rant.mp3) audio clip out, its hilarious. I still think badly drawn boy is amazing, not a bitch, and down to earth, and he's from manchester. Anyways, if you really think about it, I'm sure most of the decent musicians in history were total wankers, so I don't think about that when listening to music, just whether or not I like the music. In fact, radiohead are probably the only decent non-twisted-mutant people who you could actually stand to hang out with that there are. Did you ever notice that the Unkle track with whoever from the beastie boys is very similar to intergalactic? VERY similar.

Post Script edit: also I forgot to mention... Amnesiac your name makes it fairly obvious that you're a radiohead fan... Look in the OK Computer Booklet at the Paranoid Android lyrics. You'll figure out where my sn comes from. I've been using this thing since 97 for everything because no one else does.

Well you could say I am a pretty major Radiohead fan. It doesn't really play as major part in my life as it used to though. Tends to come back in waves if something Radiohead is going on (like those pics I took from seeing them live in my avatar)!

Godspeed and Mogwai are reet good. Not a Franz Ferdinand fan though I have to say. They are alright, got some funky riffs but its nothing special IMO, and the lyrics don't lend themselves to those deep inward looking sessions. I guess being a radiohead fan, and radiohead being so ****ing good that I am pretty hard to please!

Talking of Lyrics, thats kind of the main reason I've been loving Ben Harper over the years, sure he does some cheesy stuff but when he gets going on that electric slide guitar it is something special.

If you like Godspeed do you like Do Make Say Think (i think its the same people) or A Silver Mount Zion (one of the members of Godspeed if I am not mistaken, or am I completely loosing hte plot and its another band entirely)

Also Elliott Smith has been on iPod since I got it and its one of the few artists thats not been taken off it (even radiohead got taken off it), its a mini so it is excusable (I have 65gb of music to sift through)!

fingers

Jul 14, 2004, 11:10 AM

On the other hand there has to be some kind of common ground here....anyone like The Verve/Richard Ashcroft?

I haven't heard a lot apart from what has got in the charts - but Bitter Sweet Symphony totally blew me away.

My brother had just got back from Amsterdam and brought me back a little herbal present ;) I smoked it and then that song came on :eek: - I'll never forget that moment... So yeah what I have heard I like and I absolutley love that song.

EGT

Jul 20, 2004, 05:53 PM

amnesiac1984

Jul 20, 2004, 07:23 PM

Cool, I didn't think there'd be that many Radiohead fans in this place... Well, the whole band are big Mac users (Not the Burger from MacDonald’s) so maybe it isn’t that surprising.

What London show did you go to Amnesiac? I was at Earls Court 26th. I Wish i had tickets to the 27th but i got a live bootleg of it anyway, so im cool. I've been to quite a few shows actually, Sept 14th 2001 Belfast, May 19th 2003 Belfast, Dec 3rd 2003, Dublin and Dec 4th 2003 Dublin, :rolleyes: yeah, Big Radiohead fan!

There are some awesome shows out there on bootleg. Do you have any? The Salamanca stuff, premiering Hail to the Theif, is pretty good. I can email them to ya if you dont have 'em.

went to 26th, was awesome. Not as good a setlist as 27th but performance was better according to reviews, they were the tightest and most on form of many of their performances apparently. Got that salamanca stuff on bootleg, in fact got loads of shows on bootleg, including later presents that i recorded myself.

amnesiac1984

Jul 20, 2004, 07:25 PM

none of the quasi-hippy-new religion *****!

it aint ***** gav, its the only way were gonna save this dirty rotten planet.

EGT

Jul 21, 2004, 06:08 AM

went to 26th, was awesome. Not as good a setlist as 27th but performance was better according to reviews, they were the tightest and most on form of many of their performances apparently. Got that salamanca stuff on bootleg, in fact got loads of shows on bootleg, including later presents that i recorded myself.

Is it anygood? I have a download of that but it ended at "everything in its right place". I have some more stuff then, of a different recording that has you and whose army, the bends, HTDC, etc that is ment to be from the later show. There is also a video of it floating around, its pretty good.

amnesiac1984

Jul 21, 2004, 01:12 PM

skins posts been deleted!?

iGav

Jul 21, 2004, 01:15 PM

skins posts been deleted!?

I didn't think you could delete your own posts??? :confused:

And doesn't a mod just delete the content but maintain the actual 'post'??

That was quite bizarre, posting whilst Rower was deleting... :eek: :p

Rower_CPU

Jul 21, 2004, 01:16 PM

Play nice, you lot, or the thread will be closed.

Thanks :)

iGav

Jul 21, 2004, 02:14 PM

screw you guys, mac's are appalling personal computers.

Why are you frequenting a Mac site then? :confused:

I just hope a perfectly good thread doesn't get closed down now because of this.

yuc7zhd2

Jul 21, 2004, 02:58 PM

MacUser1

Aug 19, 2004, 01:52 AM

I guarantee to you that,as a musician I am better than Oasis.

i can understand someone not liking a particular band's music, but saying that you are better than a band with such popularity, fame and regard as oasis has, is just nonsense.

iGav

Aug 19, 2004, 04:49 AM

i can understand someone not liking a particular band's music, but saying that you are better than a band with such popularity, fame and regard as oasis has, is just nonsense.

Totally disagree.... popularity and fame do not necessarily make you a good musician, Noel steals too much of other peoples work to be ever considered a 'great' or 'influentional' musician for a start.

He's also technically very limited, not that there it anything wrong with that... alot of great bands are not necessarily virtuosos. What counts against Noel (he is, after all the 'talent' behind Oasis) is that he freely admits to stealing other peoples work, and see's nothing wrong with that.

And are Oasis really regarded as a great, vital and influential band?? I would say no.

Where as someone like the Beatles, even though I think they were utter crap and dislike there music. They are arguably all of the above.

MacUser1

Aug 20, 2004, 01:33 PM

Totally disagree.... popularity and fame do not necessarily make you a good musician, Noel steals too much of other peoples work to be ever considered a 'great' or 'influentional' musician for a start.

He's also technically very limited, not that there it anything wrong with that... alot of great bands are not necessarily virtuosos. What counts against Noel (he is, after all the 'talent' behind Oasis) is that he freely admits to stealing other peoples work, and see's nothing wrong with that.

And are Oasis really regarded as a great, vital and influential band?? I would say no.

Where as someone like the Beatles, even though I think they were utter crap and dislike there music. They are arguably all of the above.

while i may not agree with you, i do understand where you are coming from. noel does "borrow" :) other musician's work. however, i'll still continue to be a fan.

to each his own.