My experience with Tiger

[grabberslasher]

Installed The Tiger WWDC Preview on my Sawtooth G4 Dev machine - 400Mhz - 640Mb Ram. Unbearably slow. I mean unbearable!

Then installed on my TiBook 800. Better, but still slow and buggy. The Dashboard special effects don't work with my Gfx card (Radeon 7500M 32Mb) - unfortunately they need a DX9 card (like the CoreImage requirements).

Now, whilst typing in Safari my fans are on overdrive. Some disgusting graphics errors in menus. Live resizing is definitely much better but not perfect.

Dashboard is F12 to activate (programmable).

Search (spotlight) feature is cool but doesn't work as advertised yet. No, you can't type "find presentations that Phil gave me last week", or anything of the sort yet. More like "presentation phil this month".

Type Apple into the search and it gives you all of Apple's Apps.

No Automater in this build - but Pipeline (in the Applescript folder).

Spotlight in Sys Prefs is very laggy.

Very hard to change volume in the dashboard itunes gadget (yes, in this build they are called Gadgets), and the gadget takes about 6 seconds to recognise itunes is open and playing.

Some gadgets you can open more than one of (stickies, etc.), others not.

Cool setup assistant - transfer files & settings from previous mac over firewire, cube transition for all the pages.

Smart folders are kept in ~/Saved Searches

Font smoothing has changed again with this release - more red/green pixels visible for me.

Slight pause (understandable) when opening a smart folder.

That's all for now, will put up a screenshot or two.

[reaper]

Thanks for the initial report. I can't wait to see some screenshots of it in action off of the stage. :)

- reaper

[grabberslasher]

Ran into problems trying to make a screenshot. Preview no longer exports to any other type of image! I had to use the Panther Preview app to convert to JPEG.

I also tried using Pipeline to convert the images to JPEG but it gave me some weird error - although it should work by the time tiger's released.

Anyway, smart folder:

[MacsRgr8]

Build 8A162 ?

I expect that the demoed version of Tiger is a later build.
I have 8A162 installed (on a Dual 533 G4, 512 MB RAM), and it runs pretty smoothly.
iChat 3.0 (v 323) works exactly the same as 2.1 AV on Panther (thus no multiple AV connections), and in the "Get Info" (COMMAND - I) states version 2.1, and also the pretty little app "Fun House" (orso.. ya know, the demo by Phil) is also not around....

So probably the leaked version is a couple of builds earlier than the real demo deal ? :)

[reaper]

I have 8A162 installed (on a Dual 533 G4, 512 MB RAM), and it runs pretty smoothly.

I realize that it's an early version, but what would you say is the speed comparison to Panther on the same machine?

- reaper

[grabberslasher]

Way slower on the single 400Mhz G4, about as fast (maybe a bit slower) on the 800Mhz single Powerbook.

[MacsRgr8]

I realize that it's an early version, but what would you say is the speed comparison to Panther on the same machine?

- reaper

Finder is about the same, so is mounting AFP volumes and browsing through the files, which is IMHO too slow still...
The "Spotlight" search is incredibly fast... very nice.
I'd say window-resizing is about the same, too.

In short:
About the same, maybe a bit slower on some occasions.
Dashboard does take up quite some CPU time and memory.
The new features are absolutely gr8, and work very fast!

If you have a Mac which has a Core Image supported grfx card (which I have at home...) it should be faster.
I'll know tonight. :)

[reaper]

Finder is about the same, so is mounting AFP volumes and browsing through the files, which is IMHO too slow still...
The "Spotlight" search is incredibly fast... very nice.
I'd say window-resizing is about the same, too.

In short:
About the same, maybe a bit slower on some occasions.
Dashboard does take up quite some CPU time and memory.
The new features are absolutely gr8, and work very fast!

If you have a Mac which has a Core Image supported grfx card (which I have at home...) it should be faster.
I'll know tonight. :)

Nice! I have a DP 1.25 MDD FW 800 and I can't wait to get this baby installed next year!

- reaper

[reaper]

Way slower on the single 400Mhz G4, about as fast (maybe a bit slower) on the 800Mhz single Powerbook.

I guess that's acceptable given the status of the build and all of the eye candy. Thanks for the info.

- reaper

[grabberslasher]

Just a little more info - Quicktime is version 6.6.

Very impressed with the way the apple installer works -

I hooked my Powerbook to my Sawtooth, with Sawtooth in Firewire Target Disk mode. I booted the powerbook from the sawtooth's hard disk.

I then removed the System and Library folders from the Powerbook's HD, leaving my applications and users folders.

I ran the OSInstall.mpkg package from the Tiger DVD, chose to install it on the Powerbook's volume.

It installed perfectly.

Rebooted the powerbook, went into the setup assistant. Eventually I got to entering a username, so I used the username that I had used in Panther on the powerbook (thinking that it would replace my home folder and settings that I had left on the machine). It managed to add my user account to Tiger, preserving all my files and settings.

VERY IMPRESSED I am. The only other thing that was needed was to copy the contents of my application support folder.

Seamless install if you're not able to boot from the DVD. You can just install it from Panther.

[Chaszmyr]

Tiger runs very slowly on my 1ghz PowerBook with 256mb RAM. It is usable, but really too slow. In a week or so, I will see if it runs better on my G5.

[broken_keyboard]

Font smoothing has changed again with this release - more red/green pixels visible for me.

Ahhh.. that's great news, I was hoping they would work on the font smoothing. In Panther it is more like font fattening than font smoothing.

[James L]

Remember these are EARLY developer builds, which in my experience tend to be very unoptimized.

Cheers!

[AHDuke99]

true, but this is slower than Panther was at WWDC, not only that, here are some differences between the build the developers got and Steve's that he demoed

Apple menu bar isnt inverted and Apple logo not blue highlighted
iChatAV doesnt support multi-audio/video chats, and no new icon
Automator is called "pipeline" and has an old icon
It's slower
Safari doesn't pick up RSS feeds except the ones on their list (not macrumors)
The dock has the same triangles to indicate active apps rather than the "pin" shaped ones Steve had
I don't even know if Quicktime has the H.264... new codec cause the trailors I played looked like LOWER quality than QT 6.5. And in the keynote it looked much better on QT 6.6 quality wise

That is what is different so far, i know it's early but I wanted the same build Steve used and not a clearly older one :(

[AHDuke99]

did I mention it was slower?

[jsw]

Not exactly on-topic, but related:

I'm thinking of becoming an ADC Select member so I can start fulfilling my year-old promise to my wife to use my G5 to develop software.

However, I don't want to trash everything because of buggy preview software. I very much want to get my hands dirty with it, but I want to be able to "wash off".

Any recommendations (external HD's, etc.) as to a good, clean way to install developer-grade OS and app preview software, then revert or switch to working Panther stuff?

[edesignuk]

How long did it take to install? I'm just *cough* burning *cough* my copy now, not sure if I should try and install it before going to bed :D

FYI, I'll be testing it on a 2nd HDD in my DP 1GHz Quicksilver, GF4MX 64MB :eek:, 1GB RAM.

[grabberslasher]

It takes about the same as Panther (about 15mins on this Powerbook).

I'm all for Tiger, I just love it now that I've got it installed on here. Although it was a bit surprising how slow it was on the Sawtooth. I was also sad that I couldn't see the ripple effect with gadgets. :p

Now I much prefer it, spotlight is so cool. Although I've gotten 3(!) kernel panics in Safari so far!!! 'Though that was fixed by trashing my prefs.

[edesignuk]

Setup went fine, and it is very fast for me, as fast as Panther in fact :eek: :cool: I'm amazed to see that the effects in displaying dashboard are perfectly smooth on my shi**y GF4MX :eek:

http://upload.edesignuk.net/uploaded_data/forums121203/tiger.jpg

It's a damn sight better that my current early build of Longhorn (4078 I think) I can tell you! :eek: (and for those of you that don't know me that's not just mac fanboy talk, I'm in no way a mac zealot :eek: )

[Sauron1440]

I'm installing it as we speak on my G4/933 - it has one of the aforementioned sh***y Gf4MX cards, so we'll see how that goes. I'd try it on my new PB, but I don't have an extra partition to put it on - the 10 gigger is for linux. Maybe I'll do that Firewire boot thing.

[Sauron1440]

Got it installed. Seems nice, but less... different than the keynote video made it seem. To their credit, this is a really early build, but I was still hoping for some more radical improvements. Oh - and the widgets are neat, but kind of underwhelming. The 3D ripple didn't show up on my GeForce4 MX, but the genie-esque 3d effects worked fine. No CoreImage, I suppose. Mail looks to have some more features, but not the complete rewrite I was kind of hoping for. iCal seems identical. Spotlight definitely finds stuff, and quickly, but I can't really test that until I have more files I need to find. I keep everything pretty organized as is, so I don't use "Find" much. The ability to import basic settings via Firewire on first boot was cool though - didn't try it, but it seems like a neat idea. I'll probably wait a few revisions, then download it again later - as is, there just doesn't seem like enough new stuff to warrant an upgrade. Especially on that machine.

[veedubdrew]

Can anyone get Tiger installed on a 17" 1.5GHz PowerBook? I have the WWDC DVD and it kernel panics before even getting past the initial grey screen (on boot) and the first line is something like "panic: no profile for PowerBook 5,5"

Any ideas?

-Drew

[Nermal]

The current build doesn't seem to support all systems. You might be able to copy some sort of driver across from Panther, or you might have to wait for the next version.

[LimeiBook86]

Can anyone get Tiger installed on a 17" 1.5GHz PowerBook? I have the WWDC DVD and it kernel panics before even getting past the initial grey screen (on boot) and the first line is something like "panic: no profile for PowerBook 5,5"

Any ideas?

-Drew
This happens on my PowerBook 12'', 867mhz. I dunno why. It installed on my brother's Clamshell iBook SE but it didn't create a user account for some reason and now I'm stuck.

:(

Here are my Kernel Panic Photos to prove it:
http://homepage.mac.com/ibook238/PhotoAlbum37.html

[mcdermd]

well, I think iCal is different somehow. I have iCal as a startup/hidden item so that the date changes in the dock. On Panther, you see the iCal pane open, then hide. On Tiger it never shows up, the iCal icon in the dock just changes.

Second - someone already talked about installing on G4 PB's, etc and getting kernel panics. The solution I used was to install onto an external FW drive (this way I also don't lose my Panther installed HDD to who knows what). Simply open the OSinstall.pkg file from the Tiger disc while in Panther and choose the FW drive as the install point. then select the FW drive as the starup disc in Sys Perfs or hold down Option at startup. Worked like a champ.

[veedubdrew]

Second - someone already talked about installing on G4 PB's, etc and getting kernel panics. The solution I used was to install onto an external FW drive (this way I also don't lose my Panther installed HDD to who knows what). Simply open the OSinstall.pkg file from the Tiger disc while in Panther and choose the FW drive as the install point. then select the FW drive as the starup disc in Sys Perfs or hold down Option at startup. Worked like a champ.

Could you provide more detailed instructions on how to accomplish this? I've searched the disk for osinstall.pkg with no luck. Tell me like I'm four :D

-Drew

[titaniumducky]

true, but this is slower than Panther was at WWDC, not only that, here are some differences between the build the developers got and Steve's that he demoed

...

That is what is different so far, i know it's early but I wanted the same build Steve used and not a clearly older one :(

This build of Tiger is less developed than the build of Panther was last year. The reason being that Panther was almost ready (3-6 months). Tiger has almost a year to go (6-11 months); this build has a lot more work to be done in comparison to last year's Panther buid.

Also, the build Steve demoed may have been built just for the presentation (meaning, important system stuff may have been missing so it didn't lag too much). Most likely anything that wouldn't be needed was cut for speed and to avoid bugs. Any errors would probably be masked. Beachball under some kind of control. All this stuff would add up to a pretty uselss OS if it was for real testing use.

[neoelectronaut]

...wonderful.

Looks like I'll be buying a new machine a mere year after I got this one just to run the new OS.

Guess I better start saving now for that G5... and a monitor... :(

[ntg]

...wonderful.

Looks like I'll be buying a new machine a mere year after I got this one just to run the new OS.

Guess I better start saving now for that G5... and a monitor... :(

Yeah, but it's a GOOD excuse to get a nice shiny new G5 and a matching Display! (drool.....)

Nig.

[ErikGrim]

Works fine with my PowerBook, even though I had to manually install it from System/Installers/Osinstall.mpkg onto my iPod. Seems faster on my my 1Ghz powerbook but I attribute that to the complete freshness of the system more than anything else.

I've made the decision to buy a G5 this fall for me and my girlfriend's studies (TV and film) instead of getting her an iBook (two laptops). So we'll keep sharing computers, but instead of two slow laptops we now get a fast stationary and one laptop.

[mj_1903]

Those complaining about speed, don't. Tiger will be faster than 10.3 on most tasks when it is released next year. The reason you are seeing the massive speed decreases is because of things like the changed kernel (they got it working, its just not optimised), changes to Quartz to support better QE and Core Image (again, not optimised), changes to support Spotlight, etc. etc. etc.

You should see 10-15% performance increases again over 10.3 when 10.4 GM is released.

[johnnyjibbs]

More screenshots please people! I'm getting too excited about Tiger :eek: :D

[BornAgainMac]

For Panther I got the family pack. I think for this version, I'll just buy a single copy for my G5 and use Panther for my old Macs. I am also split from getting a fully loaded Powerbook or getting that 30 inch display for my G5. I could save some cash by picking the Powerbook. I want both!

[grabberslasher]

[grabberslasher]

Here's some more

[grabberslasher]

[bigbarr]

Any word on when they will seed tiger to developers who weren't at the WWDC? I'm a select developer. Maybe it will come in the mail with this month's CD!? Any developers with insight, please advise...

[iJed]

This happens on my PowerBook 12'', 867mhz. I dunno why. It installed on my brother's Clamshell iBook SE but it didn't create a user account for some reason and now I'm stuck.

:(

Here are my Kernel Panic Photos to prove it:
http://homepage.mac.com/ibook238/PhotoAlbum37.html


I had this on my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth booting from an internal LG DVD-ROM. Booting from my Pioneer 106 DVD burner imediately stopped the kernel panic. It seems that IDE support in Tiger is somewhat suspect at this stage.

[AHDuke99]

This build of Tiger is less developed than the build of Panther was last year. The reason being that Panther was almost ready (3-6 months). Tiger has almost a year to go (6-11 months); this build has a lot more work to be done in comparison to last year's Panther buid.

Also, the build Steve demoed may have been built just for the presentation (meaning, important system stuff may have been missing so it didn't lag too much). Most likely anything that wouldn't be needed was cut for speed and to avoid bugs. Any errors would probably be masked. Beachball under some kind of control. All this stuff would add up to a pretty uselss OS if it was for real testing use.

important stuff might have been left out indeed, but why isn't it in our builds? I made that list of things I saw missing from ours compared to what I saw in Steve's, you must admit we have an older build...

[Zaty]

I'd like to know a bit more about the 150+ new features, so far we've only heard about 10 of them.

[Fukui]

I'd like to know a bit more about the 150+ new features, so far we've only heard about 10 of them.
All those posters for tiger in WWDC should give your answer... "Redmond, Start Your Photocopiers," or maybe they just changed 140 icons or somthing...:)

[thejazzman10]

i hope that they change the interface of spotlight-it looks way to XP-ish.

[haiggy]

Uh.... this is an early build and not nearly as optimized as needed. I read someone saying "but Panther ran faster than this at WWDC" but if you think about it Tiger will be released in a longer time-frame than Panther. I believe Tiger will be just fine. All those bugs you mentioned will obviously be fixed before the gold master.

[LimeiBook86]

I have Tiger on my brother's iBook <runs like a dream> and I took over 50 screen shots, I have two ".tgz" files (about 9 megs each) with about 29 PDFs each in them. They are on my site: http://homepage.mac.com/ibook238/tiger.html I am uploading the ".tgz" files now, it's taking its sweet time. By the time you read this it should be fine though.

link again:
http://homepage.mac.com/ibook238/tiger.html

[jimjiminyjim]

Not exactly on-topic, but related:

I'm thinking of becoming an ADC Select member so I can start fulfilling my year-old promise to my wife to use my G5 to develop software.

However, I don't want to trash everything because of buggy preview software. I very much want to get my hands dirty with it, but I want to be able to "wash off".

Any recommendations (external HD's, etc.) as to a good, clean way to install developer-grade OS and app preview software, then revert or switch to working Panther stuff?

Make an app for Panther where everything is polished. By the time you're done that, Tiger should be out, and you will have fulfilled your promise, shown your act of good faith to your wife, and be able to get your hands dirty with a polished state-of-the-art operating system.

[seamuskrat]

I do the same thing. I have a 250 external with 3 partitions, and that way I have 1 dedicated to the apps I am wokring on and my dev environments. And 2 partitions are for older/newer OS. My main drives are for normal work. Yes,I have to reboot to each new environment, but I have never trashed my system, just a partition.
Not exactly on-topic, but related:

I'm thinking of becoming an ADC Select member so I can start fulfilling my year-old promise to my wife to use my G5 to develop software.

However, I don't want to trash everything because of buggy preview software. I very much want to get my hands dirty with it, but I want to be able to "wash off".

Any recommendations (external HD's, etc.) as to a good, clean way to install developer-grade OS and app preview software, then revert or switch to working Panther stuff?

[jsw]

Make an app for Panther where everything is polished. By the time you're done that, Tiger should be out, and you will have fulfilled your promise, shown your act of good faith to your wife, and be able to get your hands dirty with a polished state-of-the-art operating system.

Ah, poo. That's no fun. ;)

It's probably what I'll end up doing, though. However, the whole point of the original post was that I wanted to get my hands dirty with a non-polished version.

And seamuskrat, thanks for the advice.

[johnpg]

I installed Tiger on a second hard drive on my Powerbook 1.25ghz last night.

I had my new Tiger drive, my old powerbook drive (Panther, with 60+ gb of data), an AudioVideo firewire drive (with 100gb of data) all connected. I tried to search for files I knew existed but many did not show up. But as I used the system for awhile, more files started to appear in searches. Obviously, it was indexing.

After a couple of hours the searching was a lot better, but performance wasn't so good, as there were metadata processes running taking up a lot of CPU trying to index all of my data. Things got especially bogged down when I set up my imap account, which has LOTS of email. Slowly but surely though, I'd search for someone's name and up would pop a bunch of emails, some documents (including finding stuff based on content, not filename), photos, etc. It does work, but for an upgrade install it's going to take a while to index everything.

This is not as bad as it sounds though. It appears that new files that are added or created on the system are index immediately. Even big ones. For instance I performed a query for an unusual phrase, which I knew was in a pdf file that I didn't have on my hard drive. The search found a file or two, but not the pdf I was thinking of. I then went and downloaded the pdf, and the instant the download was done the pdf showed up in the search results. That's without doing another search, it was a live refresh. This worked with the spotlight window as well as with smart folders.

What I think this means is, there will be an initial performance hit upon upgrading, but once things are indexed everything will be smooth All new files are indexed automatically and will be available instantly (which is what we want). For a new user, he/she would never have to deal with the indexing issue. Even if they were to copy over new data, it would be indexed on-the-fly. Which would explain why file copies in Tiger seem a bit slow to me.

On the subject of email. Mail is now saved as individual messages, not in a large file anymore. Mail will convert your existing mailboxes upon first launch. In my case I didn't have my original mailbox but instead downloaded it via imap.

There are some pre-built smart mailboxes available. One is called "Images" and it will show you all email that has image attachments. This works, but only if you've read the email first. This includes email that has already been cached from the imap server. Now, I *THINK* this might have something to do with the fact that I pulled my email from the imap server and didn't use my existing local mailboxes from my Panther install. But I can't guarantee that. I'm hoping that Apple will fix this and will index this stuff properly when it's cached from the imap server. It's probably a bug. There are other bugs in mail too, but that's to be expected at this point in the development.

One cool feature of mail is that it has a Safari-like bookmarks bar where you can drag mailboxes to. It's more convenient than the drawer, which is still available of course. One thing you can't do however is create a "folder" or mailbox that contains other mailboxes and put in smart boxes inside it. I was hoping to have one folder for my smart searches and put it in the bookmark bar and choose the view from there. As of now you can't do that, and as a result you'll have tons of smart mailboxes in your drawer or bookmark bar taking up space. I hope they remedy this.

There are tons of things missing from this build compared to what Steve showed. For instance there's no way to create a smart folder that has all image files I received in the last week. But I can create one that shows all the image files VIEWED in the last week. There just isn't an option for the other. There are lots of options missing. I was expecting the options on this page: http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/spotlighttech.html but they're not there in this build.

Automator is "Pipeline" in this build and is buggy. But it has huge potential. It'll be nice to see how it evolves.

All in all I'm optimistic. It's going to be interesting to see how things evolve.

Cheers,
John

[ChronoIMG]

Any gaming benchmarks on Tiger? :)

[blue&whiteman]

Tiger runs very slowly on my 1ghz PowerBook with 256mb RAM. It is usable, but really too slow. In a week or so, I will see if it runs better on my G5.

the problem is that you only have 256MB ram. you need twice that minimum for decent usability with any version of osx.

[LimeiBook86]

the problem is that you only have 256MB ram. you need twice that minimum for decent usability with any version of osx.

Oddly enough I installed Tiger on my brother's old Clamshell iBook SE, 466mhz, 320mb RAM (8mb graphics card) and I runs great. Just like Panther did.

Then I installed it on my dad's G4 450mhz AGP with 768mb of RAM (16mb graphics card). It ran sooo slow!! I dunno why. Maybe because it had barley enough power to support some feature or something which slowed it down? None of the machines are Quartz extreme capable...

Odd eh? :cool:

[TMA]

the problem is that you only have 256MB ram. you need twice that minimum for decent usability with any version of osx.

I know where you're coming from but I think that statement is abit misleading.
My experience with all versions of OS X upto and including Panther is that 256Mb-384mb works great if 'all' you need to do is run a few servers, listen to music, burn CD's, brose the web, read and send email, watch realplayer/divx/quicktime movies and use MSN Messenger & iChat. I can do all of the above no problem with 384Mb. No heavy hard disk thrashing or instances of 'Spinning Curser of Death'

It's when you start using any pro apps such as Photoshop and Dreamweaver that more RAM makes all the difference.

[Wardofsky]

Mail screenshot with the creation of a smart mailbox ;)

http://www.wardofsky.com/growl/mail.jpg

[Jalexster]

I have a question for everyone with Tiger.
Does Mail support HTML accounts? The only free Mac app that supports it is Outlook Express. And it's annoying to have to launch the Classic enviroment whenever I feel like checking my e-mail. I've got two Hotmail accounts.

I also don't like the HTML interface for Hotmail. On my PC which I sometimes use, I'm using Outlook 2003 to read my hotmail. I'm only using it because it's better than Outlook Express.

[wrldwzrd89]

I have a question for everyone with Tiger.
Does Mail support HTML accounts? The only free Mac app that supports it is Outlook Express. And it's annoying to have to launch the Classic enviroment whenever I feel like checking my e-mail. I've got two Hotmail accounts.

I also don't like the HTML interface for Hotmail. On my PC which I sometimes use, I'm using Outlook 2003 to read my hotmail. I'm only using it because it's better than Outlook Express.
My guess is that the only service Mail supports natively is .Mac - standard POP/IMAP accounts can be configured just like they have always been, and plug-ins will fill in support for things like Hotmail (which I know Apple wouldn't endorse like that).

[edesignuk]

Since Apple already tie Google in to Safari, does anyone think there maybe any chance of Google agreeing to some way of being able to check your Gmail in Mail app?

[realityisterror]

true, but this is slower than Panther was at WWDC

sorry if someone else already pointed this out (i don't have time to read the whole thread), but last year we were about 4 months from panther. now we are anywhere from 6 to 12 months from tiger. my guess is 10 months in april or march...

it's slow because it's still in it's very early stages, that should be expected...
but i do think that apple should tune down the visual effects... only the higher end machines being sold now (powermac, 15 and 17 powerbook, and 17 and 20 imac) have graphics cards that can fully take on tiger...
i bought my imac less than a year ago, and already it is becoming obsolete... i think whatever comes after tiger may be as far as i wish to go.... :(

reality

[Fukui]

I have a question for everyone with Tiger.
Does Mail support HTML accounts? The only free Mac app that supports it is Outlook Express. And it's annoying to have to launch the Classic enviroment whenever I feel like checking my e-mail. I've got two Hotmail accounts.

I also don't like the HTML interface for Hotmail. On my PC which I sometimes use, I'm using Outlook 2003 to read my hotmail. I'm only using it because it's better than Outlook Express.
HTTP Mail Plugin (http://www.versiontracker.com/php/search.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=HTTP+mail&plt%5B%5D=macosx&x=13&y=8)
Versiontracker is good....

[Jalexster]

Thanks for your replies.
I am kinda ashamed of having a hotmail account, but I got it before I got a mac.

[mkrishnan]

Thanks for your replies.
I am kinda ashamed of having a hotmail account, but I got it before I got a mac.

Awww, don't feel bad. It happens to the best of us. ;) I think httpmail requires you to use something else besides hotmail to do outgoing because you don't have a hotmail smtp server, but otherwise it works golden.

Wardofsky, thanks for that smart folder mail.app picture. That looks sooo cool. I've been wishing that feature existed. Does it have any kinda intelligent or context-driven feature to assign people? It'd be nice if you could right-click an e-mail and queue all subsequent same-sender or subject or whatever e-mails to a folder/mailbox. I have a friends folder and a friends' highlighting rule, but its a little bit of a pain right now to add more friends to the rule, cuz you have to go to prefs, etc, etc.

[rtdgoldfish]

Just finished installing Tiger on my 800mhz iBook G3. Everything seems to work about as well as it did running Panther. Dashboard takes about 5 seconds to load but that was to be expected. Ok, so I'm a little slow...Thought tabs were gone in Safari but they are not turned on by default.

[Anarchy99]

I have a question for everyone with Tiger.
Does Mail support HTML accounts? The only free Mac app that supports it is Outlook Express. And it's annoying to have to launch the Classic enviroment whenever I feel like checking my e-mail. I've got two Hotmail accounts.

I also don't like the HTML interface for Hotmail. On my PC which I sometimes use, I'm using Outlook 2003 to read my hotmail. I'm only using it because it's better than Outlook Express.
hotmail and other HTML acounts dont work there used to be a 3rd party plugin making hotmail work but the dev hasnt made a tiger version

[johnnyjibbs]

Mail screenshot with the creation of a smart mailbox ;)

[image snipped]

Is it me or have the pinstripes been removed? It may just be the resolution of the screenshot but it looks rather milky plain white to me. Please say those lovely subtle Panther-style pinstripes remain!!!

[Wardofsky]

Is it me or have the pinstripes been removed? It may just be the resolution of the screenshot but it looks rather milky plain white to me. Please say those lovely subtle Panther-style pinstripes remain!!!

Don't worry, they're still there:

http://www.wardofsky.com/growl/zoom-mail.jpg

[BrianKonarsMac]

does anyone know if a rev c 12"s graphics card can handle the new 3d effects in tiger? that'd be pretty sad if it couldn't, though not entirely unexpected i suppose.

[realityisterror]

it can, but not to it's fullest extent...
the graphics will have to be toned down a bit, but don't worry; i've got an nVidia GeForce 2 MX... that sucks... :(

reality

[TigerPRO]

i hope that they change the interface of spotlight-it looks way to XP-ish.

I find your comment here very interesting. Because that was the exact same thing that came to my mind the very first time I saw it. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but the interface reminded me of XP. I think it's sickening.

[live4ever]

Does Spotlight have the capability to search within the text of pdfs files or any other documents (rtf, doc, txt)?

I have 1000s of pdf articles and this would awesome if it could.

[Fukui]

Does Spotlight have the capability to search within the text of pdfs files or any other documents (rtf, doc, txt)?

I have 1000s of pdf articles and this would awesome if it could.
Yes. On the WWDC Keynote, steve searched for "Half Dome" and it came up with a PDF map of Yosemite, that happened to have the text "Half Dome" inside marking the area.

[Wardofsky]

Just finished installing Tiger on my 800mhz iBook G3. Everything seems to work about as well as it did running Panther. Dashboard takes about 5 seconds to load but that was to be expected. Ok, so I'm a little slow...Thought tabs were gone in Safari but they are not turned on by default.

Presuming you've got the pre-release Safari may be a bit altered as they've just released the 1.3 beta to devs.

[h00ligan]

Not sure if anyone mentioned safari's new private browsing feature.

directly from teh warning dialog box

"When private browsing is turned on, webpages are not added to the history, items are automatically removed from the Downloads window, information isn't saved for AutoFill (including names and passwords), and searches are not added to the pop-up menu in the Google search box. Until you close the window, you can still click the Back and Forward buttons to return to webpages you have opened."

[Wardofsky]

Not sure if anyone mentioned safari's new private browsing feature.

directly from teh warning dialog box


Yup :)
http://g4.wasd.dk/files/cuk.ch/images/safari1.gif

[durundal]

This happens on my PowerBook 12'', 867mhz. I dunno why. It installed on my brother's Clamshell iBook SE but it didn't create a user account for some reason and now I'm stuck.

:(

Here are my Kernel Panic Photos to prove it:
http://homepage.mac.com/ibook238/PhotoAlbum37.html

I think I got that same panic (the now hanging quote at the end was the same at least) on my Quicksilver 2002 933, even after removing every device (literally, took out all the PCI cards, airport, modem, zip drive, hard drives) in it other than the video card, one stick of 512MB ram, and the Superdrive (DVR-103). It's too bad, I wanted to play with Tiger.

(I'm using a DVD-R of the disk, not fortunate enough to get a real one)

[johnnyjibbs]

Not sure if anyone mentioned safari's new private browsing feature.

directly from teh warning dialog box

"When private browsing is turned on, webpages are not added to the history, items are automatically removed from the Downloads window, information isn't saved for AutoFill (including names and passwords), and searches are not added to the pop-up menu in the Google search box. Until you close the window, you can still click the Back and Forward buttons to return to webpages you have opened."
Hmm... It's designed specifically for porn then ;) :D :rolleyes:

[stevehaslip]

do you think that theres anyway apple might make local searches possible on google in safari. id love to be able to search googles uk site just by typing in the box. instead i have to go to the website. so many times i have to search for something typically english that googles .com site doesnt pick up. there should be a google location selection thingy in the safari preferences.

oh the time it would save me!!!

[Jalexster]

I was thinking of having Google in Spotlight too. How hard would it be to code? Then we could have the ultimate search function!

Also, does Spotlight search your iTunes (and possibly iPhoto) libraries?

[juangomez]

I was thinking of having Google in Spotlight too. How hard would it be to code? Then we could have the ultimate search function!

Also, does Spotlight search your iTunes (and possibly iPhoto) libraries?

Am I the only one who find it annoying to be tied to google for whatever they have to do, I just wish Safari developpers would incorporate search plugins like in firefox, It's a bit annoying to have apple always going the google way.

Or maybe mozilla should integrate a rss function to firefox? :D

[MacsRgr8]

A bit like the "old" Sherlock app with internet search sites plug ins?

[gekko513]

Hmm... It's designed specifically for porn then ;) :D :rolleyes:
We should tip some of the less serious tech news sites about this ... Could attract lots of switchers. :p

Also ... imagine the new switch ads :D

[LimeiBook86]

I think I got that same panic (the now hanging quote at the end was the same at least) on my Quicksilver 2002 933, even after removing every device (literally, took out all the PCI cards, airport, modem, zip drive, hard drives) in it other than the video card, one stick of 512MB ram, and the Superdrive (DVR-103). It's too bad, I wanted to play with Tiger.

(I'm using a DVD-R of the disk, not fortunate enough to get a real one)

Same here with the DVD-R, I have herd that installing onto a FireWire disk using the package osinstall.pkg works, I forget exactly. I think it's in this thread or one of the other few Tiger threads. Check it out. :)

EDIT: I found it! Yay!



"Second - someone already talked about installing on G4 PB's, etc and getting kernel panics. The solution I used was to install onto an external FW drive (this way I also don't lose my Panther installed HDD to who knows what). Simply open the OSinstall.pkg file from the Tiger disc while in Panther and choose the FW drive as the install point. then select the FW drive as the starup disc in Sys Perfs or hold down Option at startup. Worked like a champ."

Also I have taken down my Tiger screenshots, I am running out of iDisk space, if you really, really, want them PM or e-mail me.

[jonabinante]

In my experience, while the official DVD does work, the *unofficial* one does not install on a Powerbook. I did manage to get it to work by mounting my Powerbooks HD in target mode onto a Desktop Mac, and installing onto it over firewire. After that, the OS works fine. It merely seems that the installer doesn't like Powerbooks.

[psingh01]

Just installed it on my iPod and booted from my PB G4 1.5Ghz 15". Runs great, maybe slightly slower than Panther but not too noticable.

First thing though, I was looking for the widgets thing. I went to the system preferences and typed in "Widgets", "Wigets", and "Dashboard" and nothing came up!!! I found it in the Expose control, but come on Apple lol. However the Search feature from the main menu was pretty fast. Plenty of room for improvement but really good for an early version. I'll play with it a bit more this weekend and see how it goes.

PS, I have an "unofficial" DVD :P

[stevehaslip]

the widget tsearch didnt probably didnt work because they havent put all the keywords into the search feature yet. someone said that the spotlight search wouldnt work as steve jobs showed us until a later version.

"show me all the documents that phil made during the last week"

(or whatever it was he said)

im sure it will be there in the next developer release! :p

[Mac-Xpert]

Also ... imagine the new switch ads :DFeaturing Ron Jeremey :eek: :D

[psingh01]

BTW, does anyone know what the application was with the satellite tracking? Is that available for download? :p

[iChan]

nobody in this thread has mentioned anything about the new dvd player or the new Quicktime player.

the video now scales smoothly to the size you select rather than just "appear".

DVD player also has a new timer feature. you can tell your computer to go to sleep after a set amount of minutes or just close dvd player.

also, you can edit the info of a DVD now, like the name of the Title, which appears at the title of the viewer, and you cna alos drag an image into DVD player for each of your dvds and the viewer will display that picture if you stop the DVD. quite nice.

I have one question... do these new feature contribute to the 150+ new features touted for Tiger, or would it could as being one feature...?

[musicpyrite]

Can anyone get Tiger installed on a 17" 1.5GHz PowerBook? I have the WWDC DVD and it kernel panics before even getting past the initial grey screen (on boot) and the first line is something like "panic: no profile for PowerBook 5,5"

Any ideas?

-Drew

yea, there's a way to do it, but you have to install it onto an external HD like I did, or you could make a DVD if you can. (I don't have a DVD burner)

[thecombatwombat]

Also ... imagine the new switch ads :D

Been done. Not exactly "safe for work" but, funny.

http://www.muchosucko.com/video-chapelleswitch.html

[sockeatingdryer]

Been done. Not exactly "safe for work" but, funny.

http://www.muchosucko.com/video-chapelleswitch.html

"not safe for work"... Are you a Farker, too?

[Mord]

just a little report that it works great on my 600MHz ibook no problems, no kernal panicks smooth as glass ui this is definatly a supported mac

[maradong]

true, but this is slower than Panther was at WWDC, not only that, here are some differences between the build the developers got and Steve's that he demoed.
Well obviously...
Panther was released in October IIRC, while tiger will be released in the beginning of the first semesterm, which is before march.

So basically there is like a 5 months difference, in terms of completion... At least that is the way i understand it.

[gopher]

Just finished installing Tiger on my 800mhz iBook G3. Everything seems to work about as well as it did running Panther. Dashboard takes about 5 seconds to load but that was to be expected. Ok, so I'm a little slow...Thought tabs were gone in Safari but they are not turned on by default.

That's the way it is when you get any new machine or install X for the first time, or Safari for the first time. Tabs must be enabled through the preferences. Yes it would be nice if they were on by default, but it is a one time only switch on until you either erase and install or completely delete all the Safari preferences.

[amin]

Wow, I am really impressed with Spotlight. A friend of mine just booted his 12" Rev A PB into Tiger from his iPod and did a search on "pituitary" which immediately (and I mean immediately) found the three documents on his PB harddrive that contained that word in their text (not their title). Two PDFs and a keynote presentation.
Also, does Spotlight search your iTunes (and possibly iPhoto) libraries?
It sure does. Both of them.

[Maayan]

Here are my Kernel Panic Photos to prove it:
http://homepage.mac.com/ibook238/PhotoAlbum37.html

Hah-hah! "We are hanging here..." I remember I freaked the first time I saw that... :rolleyes:

[Mord]

Wow, I am really impressed with Spotlight. A friend of mine just booted his 12" Rev A PB into Tiger from his iPod and did a search on "pituitary" which immediately (and I mean immediately) found the three documents on his PB harddrive that contained that word in their text (not their title). Two PDFs and a keynote presentation.

It sure does. Both of them.

it even searches in my ipod's hidden music partition :eek:.

man i'm lucky that 10.4 is so stable on my ibook no kernel panics and i have had it for over a month :D

[morkintosh]

true, but this is slower than Panther was at WWDC,

true, but it is also farther away from release than panther was at WWDC