Apple Begins Seeding Mac OS X 10.6.1 for Testing

[slashnroses04]

heres the link


http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/03/apple_already_testing_mac_os_x_10_6_1_update.html

[MacRumors]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/03/apple-begins-seeding-mac-os-x-10-6-1-for-testing/)

AppleInsider reports (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/03/apple_already_testing_mac_os_x_10_6_1_update.html) that Apple began seeding Mac OS X 10.6.1, the first maintenance update to Snow Leopard, earlier this week to a select group of developers. MacRumors can confirm that it received similar word earlier this week that Apple had opened a discussion forum through its invitation-only AppleSeed (http://appleseed.apple.com/) program to allow OS X 10.6.1 testers to provide feedback to Apple engineers and that Apple had begun the seeding distribution.Those receiving the first builds are part of smaller, more exclusive seeding programs run by the Cupertino-based company. They traditionally operate on an invitation-only basis, unlike the Apple Developer Connection open all developers willing to pay membership fees.The report notes that builds seeded to this limited audience generally make their way to broader developer distribution through the traditional ADC channels within a week or two.

Article Link: Apple Begins Seeding Mac OS X 10.6.1 for Testing (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/03/apple-begins-seeding-mac-os-x-10-6-1-for-testing/)

[felt.]

hopefully this will fix the beachballing under the 9400m!

[xeex]

heres the link


http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/03/apple_already_testing_mac_os_x_10_6_1_update.html

good to see that admit that SL is just garbage in comparison to Leopard.

[AJ1BostonMASS]

I just want my printer to work again. Then I will be happy.

[stubeeef]

Looks like it might be time to load up the version I bought. Just waiting for 10.6.1 to upgrade.

[jessica.]

Bring back printer support, namely HP and make sure it works over network and locally ... dbags!!!! :mad:

I think I can deal with most everything else. If you must, make the pixels of all menus slightly off if it means I get my printers back.

[HLdan]

I haven't had a single problem with Snow Leopard on either 3 of my Macs but any update from Apple will be good.

[markcres]

It seems odd that Apple are looking for feedback from only a small select 'invitation only' group..... why don't they try to gain as much information from their customers as possible. They could save time and money by just trawling through all the threads on the MacRumors forum !!

[hhaeschen]

I really hope they hurry! I do have some bugs since 10.6.

Most annoying:
- Graphical issues when choosing a page from Safari's "top pages" feature
- When the dock is hidden the Mail icon doesn't bounce every time I get an email as it should, it only does that every once in a while. :(

[wankey]

Hopefully they improve the scrolling of stacks... Currently it isn't the same speed as Safari scrolling.

good to see that admit that SL is just garbage in comparison to Leopard.

??? What are you talking about? Leopard was sheer utter garbage when it was released.

[rwilliams]

"There have, however, been several reports from users who are encountering the spinning wheel of death and battling issues with Snow Leopard's build in Cisco VPN -- two issues which may see some relief under Mac OS X 10.6.1."

Thank God. That built-in Cisco VPN is the FAIL.

[Lordedmond]

It seems odd that Apple are looking for feedback from only a small select 'invitation only' group..... why don't they try to gain as much information from their customers as possible. They could save time and money by just trawling through all the threads on the MacRumors forum !!

Ok but they would not gain much information , yes some are having problems ,are these the OS or are they created between keyboard and chair

with a small select group they have a control group of known clean machines to test on , when that phase is OK then they ( Apple ) will expand the testing


its all about knowing what you are testing on ,eg if the foundations are rotten then no matter what you build from there it will be rubbish


in testing its what you don't test that matters

[mobi]

Still holding out for a seamless transition!

[thertrain]

I have had No problems with my SL installation either. I think its a very polished system. That being said, Apple followed a very similar schedule with Leopard, and release the 10.5.1 upgrade very shortly after the OS went on sale. :apple:

[bmk]

I just want my printer to work again. Then I will be happy.

Why don't you give the model of the printer, then at least someone might be able to tell you why. As it is you are making a pointless complaint which might turn out to have absolutely nothing to do with SL.

[iAta]

any idea if it will be compatable with the Golden release 10A432 ? i mean not the retail box .. :confused:

[newtonuk]

A fix for Front Row hopefully then.

[OllyW]

good to see that admit that SL is just garbage in comparison to Leopard.

??? What are you talking about? Leopard was sheer utter garbage when it was released.

I haven't had any major issues so far with Snow Leopard and never had any problems with Leopard when it was released. Tiger on the other hand gave me big, big problems.

It's only a small minority who run into trouble when a new OS comes out, but boy do they make a big noise about it. ;)

[Kilamite]

Fix for the sluggish feeling, stop Safari from stalling when there is lots of tabs open or a webpage loads that has a lot of content.

Option for original Expose too would be nice.

[RADumas]

If they just fixed the installer so it wouldn't reject perfectly good startup disks and didn't screw up mysql......

[treichert]

any idea if it will be compatable with the Golden release 10A432 ? i mean not the retail box .. :confused:

They are per definition exactly the same.

[iBug2]

It seems odd that Apple are looking for feedback from only a small select 'invitation only' group..... why don't they try to gain as much information from their customers as possible. They could save time and money by just trawling through all the threads on the MacRumors forum !!

Like another poster has pointed out it's best to first test within a small group which you can trust that it's not the problem with the user but with the OS. Then after you iron out those big issues, you can start reading the bugreports, that everyone, even non-developers can submit through apple's bugreporter, and start fixing them in order of importance.

[Mattie Num Nums]

Am I the only one noticing that the Finder seems a bit sluggish? Most notable when scrolling the icons don't populate right away.

[xeex]

??? What are you talking about? Leopard was sheer utter garbage when it was released.

let me correct myself garbage Leopard era since Tiger, always had problems with Leo and now newly installed SL although i have a new computer, its just puzzles me, how apple can cock up so much that even newly released computers have obvious problems running this operating system.

i would have to agree with comments with one user who made them recently. apple totally lost interest in hardware and operating system and moved slowly but surely to iphone gimmick and now this tablet rubbish.

[ChrisA]

It seems odd that Apple are looking for feedback from only a small select 'invitation only' group..... why don't they try to gain as much information from their customers as possible. They could save time and money by just trawling through all the threads on the MacRumors forum !!

People here are not so good at testing. Just read the threads. Some guy says "works for me" without stating what he does with his computer". Another guy says "printer is broke" without saying what steps he did to try and resolve the issue. These are absolutely useless as test reports

The best testers are people who are good at resolving and narrowing down problems. They will be able to write up the minimum number of steps needed to re-produce the problem and then list the fixes they tried. I write software, and believe me those kinds of reports are 1,000 time more useful that what you typically hear. Most complaints turn out to be users not understanding the software.

Good bug reports help the user too. If I get a very specific bug report and the log files and input data are included I can see what's going on and fix it in 20 minutes. and the user is very happy. But "it's broke" type reports pretty much have to go on the bottom on the pile and that user will have to wait until the problem effects someone else who can better describe it.

[rdowns]

I'll be happy when they fix printing.

[xeex]

I haven't had any major issues so far with Snow Leopard and never had any problems with Leopard when it was released. Tiger on the other hand gave me big, big problems.

It's only a small minority who run into trouble when a new OS comes out, but boy do they make a big noise about it. ;)

I wasnt screaming when Leo first came out then i thought maybe its just this release is like that, but come one, the second OS is buggy as hell, apple get your act together.

[TheCheapGeek]

My clean install has been perfect. I have had no issues and find the speed improvements outstanding. Any update is always exciting.

[justiny]

A fix for Front Row hopefully then.

This.

[cg0def]

any idea if it will be compatable with the Golden release 10A432 ? i mean not the retail box .. :confused:

The 10A432 and the retail version are identical from what I've seen. There is virtually no way to distinguish one from the other but I might be mistaken ...

[jav6454]

The only thing that Snow Leopard broke for me was iPhoneModem application. I doubt the app will ever work again.

[Michael73]

I've had only three problems...in order of their severity:


Mail Crashing - it's happend 2-3 times unexpectedly, each time I've reported the bug to Apple
When opening Time Machine on my MBP which uses a Time Capsule, the whole machine locks up and only a hard reset fixes the problem.
This is more of a request - stop crippling 64bit support by forcing us to hold down "6" + "4" during startup.


Thanks!

[twoodcc]

hmm. glad that they already working on fixes. hopefully they will fix the flash problem also

[Carnivor]

Great,

Seeing as it was on pre-order looks like the update will get here before my disk arrives!:mad::mad::mad:

[talkingfuture]

Thats weird - I was just thinking earlier today that we would be hearing about 10.6.1 soon and then I come on here and see this.

[astrofoo]

any idea if it will be compatable with the Golden release 10A432 ? i mean not the retail box .. :confused:

Did someone just download SL instead of buy it?

They are the same thing or the retail build number would've changed.

[sidewinder]

xeex,

Stop with the hyperbole! No one can take any of your posts seriously.

S-

[rkdiddy]

You really have to love how Apple is continuing updating their software. I think it really shows their commitment to keeping the software running well.

Unfortunately, I don't think my CS3 licensing issue will be fixed. Shame on you Adobe! :rolleyes:

[RyanR.]

People here are not so good at testing. Just read the threads. Some guy says "works for me" without stating what he does with his computer". Another guy says "printer is broke" without saying what steps he did to try and resolve the issue. These are absolutely useless as test reports

The best testers are people who are good at resolving and narrowing down problems. They will be able to write up the minimum number of steps needed to re-produce the problem and then list the fixes they tried. I write software, and believe me those kinds of reports are 1,000 time more useful that what you typically hear. Most complaints turn out to be users not understanding the software.

Good bug reports help the user too. If I get a very specific bug report and the log files and input data are included I can see what's going on and fix it in 20 minutes. and the user is very happy. But "it's broke" type reports pretty much have to go on the bottom on the pile and that user will have to wait until the problem effects someone else who can better describe it.
+1 ... I have waited for Snow Leopard. Mainly because of QuickBooks, but I fully agree with everything said here.

***TO FUTURE POSTERS / COMPLAINERS***

If you have a problem and your gonna waste time and space on MR. Why not give details and maybe someone here can help. :)

[Wotan31]

Fix for the sluggish feeling, stop Safari from stalling when there is lots of tabs open or a webpage loads that has a lot of content.

Maybe should be called Slow Leopard instead? :D

[*LTD*]

Damn, that was fast.

[Wotan31]

Bring back printer support, namely HP and make sure it works over network and locally ... dbags!!!! :mad:

I think I can deal with most everything else. If you must, make the pixels of all menus slightly off if it means I get my printers back.

My hp laserjet 1300n works perfectly in 10.6 just as it did in 10.5. In fact, 10.6 appears to have much better support for my printer - lots more printing options (like scale to fit, etc.) available when I want to print a page now...

[decimortis]

I can has updated graphic driverz?

[Kar98]

I'll be happy when they fix printing.

Huh?

[*LTD*]

Now that we're all about printers . . .

My Laserjet P2015 works fine. Drivers included in SL already.

However, still seems to default to 600x600 dpi despite the ProRes 1200 (1200x1200 dpi) option being available and me selecting it. Seems like HP didn't go the whole nine with their drivers, either in SL or Leopard. Oh well, output still looks quite good, the best 600x600 I've seen from a Laser in its price range ($300-$400.)

Either that, or 1200x1200 looks exactly like 600x600, which I don't think is normal.

Unsure whether the HP toolbox software (tweaking output, ink density, etc.) works. Haven't tried that yet.

[aardwolf]

I was invited and accepted to test, but haven't received the new build yet. Maybe it's an even smaller subset of the accepted testers?

[rwilliams]

I'm just hoping for a more robust version of the built-in Cisco VPN client. One that lets you import .pcf files, or tinker with the configuration of the client itself to accomodate different PIX/ASA/Concentrator configurations.

Other than that, all of my other issues with Snow Leopard are with third-party developers.

[puckhead193]

can't wait!

[fhall1]

Hmmm.....based on all the reports just here on MR, maybe I'll just sit and look at the pretty disk cover and hold off on upgrading until I can immediately update to 10.6.1 right after.

[The ArchAngel]

When opening Time Machine on my MBP which uses a Time Capsule, the whole machine locks up and only a hard reset fixes the problem.


Thanks!

That's interesting, I have not had this problem and I too am using a Time Capsule to backup my MBP. Did you do a clean install or an upgrade? Also, are you backing up wired or wireless?

[*LTD*]

Hmmm.....based on all the reports just here on MR, maybe I'll just sit and look at the pretty disk cover and hold off on upgrading until I can immediately update to 10.6.1 right after.

Shouldn't be long. ;)

[pbrooks]

Can someone direct me to information on the printing problems people are reporting here. So far, I have installed SL on three machines without problems... until yesterday. I'm a teacher, so I went to my classroom yesterday for the first time to print using my classroom HP laser printer. I connected to my school's wireless network just fine, but I couldn't easily add my printer. I was shown three "nearby" HP printers, but instead of their friendly network names (e.g "Rm. 53 Laserjet"), I was shown cryptic names, none of which represented the printer sitting five feet from me.

I solved the problem by using the IP printing feature. After manually entering the IP address of my printer, everything worked fine.

[shawnce]

This is more of a request - stop crippling 64bit support by forcing us to hold down "6" + "4" during startup.

Please read this page carefully ...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/5

..or my statement on this from a while back..

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8163208&postcount=424

(you don't really need to run the kernel 64-bit on that system, not gaining you a heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things and leaving you open to 3rd party, etc. incompatibilities in the short term)

[sascha h-k]

Maybe should be called Slow Leopard instead? :D


i have installed the latest: snail leopard .. :(

[acurafan]

You really have to love how Apple is continuing updating their software. I think it really shows their commitment to keeping the software running well.
no, it shows they should not have rolled it out, and make us suckers *cough* ginea pigs *cough* regression test until it's correct.

[Surely]

Hopefully 10.6.1 will arrive soon. This round, I've decided to wait on installing SL until the first point update is released.

I ordered SL from Amazon, and am still waiting for it to arrive..... let's see which comes first, the update, or my copy of SL.

[gibbz]

This is more of a request - stop crippling 64bit support by forcing us to hold down "6" + "4" during startup.
Thanks!

Please read this page carefully ...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/5

..or my statement on this from a while back..

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8163208&postcount=424

(you don't really need to run the kernel 64-bit on that system, not gaining you a heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things and leaving you open to 3rd party, etc. incompatibilities in the short term)

+1. Or you can always edit /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist to make it look like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyLis
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>Kernel</key>
<string>mach_kernel</string>
<key>Kernel Flags</key>
<string>arch=x86_64</string>
</dict>
</plist>

If your system is able, it will then boot into 64-bit mode every time with no need to hold the keys down.

[xeex]

xeex,

Stop with the hyperbole! No one can take any of your posts seriously.

S-

and you must be God ?

[mdhwoods]

Bring back printer support, namely HP and make sure it works over network and locally ... dbags!!!! :mad:

I think I can deal with most everything else. If you must, make the pixels of all menus slightly off if it means I get my printers back.

hp5180 networked printer, works fine over the network with Snow Leopard supplied drivers. This in on an Imac and on a macbook. Not only do they print over the network, scanning works also.

[jmpage2]

let me correct myself garbage Leopard era since Tiger, always had problems with Leo and now newly installed SL although i have a new computer, its just puzzles me, how apple can cock up so much that even newly released computers have obvious problems running this operating system.

i would have to agree with comments with one user who made them recently. apple totally lost interest in hardware and operating system and moved slowly but surely to iphone gimmick and now this tablet rubbish.

The only thing rubbish is your comments. Have you ever tried clean installing Leopard or SL without re-importing your preferences and user data to see how it runs?

I'm pretty sure you will find that it runs quite well and that you will be able to slowly add back your applications until you find out where your incompatibility problems are coming from.

A lot of Tiger fans seem to be upset when they pull in preferences, settings, extensions and 3rd party code that was written five years ago for Tiger and doesn't run well under Leopard or SL.

If you think SL upgrade was 'horrible' just be glad you aren't running a Wintel box, you'd actually have something to complain about if you saw what they consider an upgrade.

[aidym]

I've had the following problems on my Mac Pro (2006):


My Mac Pro won't go into sleep mode. I can force it to sleep by using the 'Sleep' command in the :apple: menu, but it won't do it by it's self. I have tried this on both a 10.6 upgrade and clean install and both have the same problem.
On occasion I have no :apple: menu bar after booting up.
Some of my drives go to sleep even thought I have disabled the option in energy saver.
A few crashes with iTunes and Safari.
Occasionally get permission errors when syncing my iPhone.


The above issues have been experienced after performing a clean install. I originally did an upgrade but the machine was unbearably slow after the installation.

[gibbz]

no, it shows they should not have rolled it out, and make us suckers *cough* ginea pigs *cough* regression test until it's correct.

If you wish for a company to not release software until it is perfect, then you can wait from here until eternity because there is no such thing.

Snow Leopard is just fine for a majority of its purpose. Of course there will be glitches and that is why they push out updates. And no one forced us to be *cough* willing participants in a .0 software release *cough*

[JFreak]

Bring back printer support, namely HP and make sure it works over network and locally ... dbags!!!! :mad:

HP LaserJet 2100TN working perfectly here

[xeex]

xeex,

Stop with the hyperbole! No one can take any of your posts seriously.

S-

I didn't ask you to stop expressing your opinion, so please stop being a god like figure to tell me what to do. whoever wants to will read it.

[AJ1BostonMASS]

Why don't you give the model of the printer, then at least someone might be able to tell you why. As it is you are making a pointless complaint which might turn out to have absolutely nothing to do with SL.

Sounds fair.
It's Hp Officejet J6480

Anyone have an idea if its me or snow leopard?

[Thunder82]

I've had the following problems on my Mac Pro (2006):
On occasion I have no :apple: menu bar after booting up.


I've noticed this bug too, which is strange because I never saw it during the SL pre-releases. Not the end of the world, as usually clicking the top of the screen brings it back, but still kind of weird.

[stubeeef]

I would like to ask if anyone with an older iMac has had many issues.

I have model iMac5,1
Stock 2ghz intel core 2 duo, with 1gb ram/160ghd/and RadeonX1600 graphics card

[xeex]

The only thing rubbish is your comments. Have you ever tried clean installing Leopard or SL without re-importing your preferences and user data to see how it runs?

I'm pretty sure you will find that it runs quite well and that you will be able to slowly add back your applications until you find out where your incompatibility problems are coming from.

A lot of Tiger fans seem to be upset when they pull in preferences, settings, extensions and 3rd party code that was written five years ago for Tiger and doesn't run well under Leopard or SL.

If you think SL upgrade was 'horrible' just be glad you aren't running a Wintel box, you'd actually have something to complain about if you saw what they consider an upgrade.


Firstly. I stopped using tiger once Leo came out, secondly I hate wintel with passion but I have to express my dissatisfaction with late outings of apple.
I am not happy with the fact they are subliminally moving their efforts to iphone and tablet.

[Sehnsucht]

The only trouble I've had is with my Sony ExpressCard MemoryStick reader. Under the 64-bit kernel, it appears to work but doesn't recognize the memory card when inserted, and under the default 32-bit kernel, inserting the memory card causes a kernel panic every single time. :rolleyes:

This is the first time I have ever seen a kernel panic in person. :eek:

But on the plus side, my printer still works, all my apps still work, and Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ the Messiah, it's fast. It boots in about 8 - 10 seconds. Almost like having a solid-state drive. :D

[aidym]

I've noticed this bug too, which is strange because I never saw it during the SL pre-releases. Not the end of the world, as usually clicking the top of the screen brings it back, but still kind of weird.

Yeah, I've only had this happen a few times, and as you say it comes back if you click at the top of the screen, but this appears to be one of the many little "glitches" that are being reported.

[sidewinder]

I didn't ask you to stop expressing your opinion, so please stop being a god like figure to tell me what to do. whoever wants to will read it.
Opinions are one thing....but you have a clear disdain for Apple and this has made your posts look like mad rants. They are so negatively biased that no one can take them seriously. You conclusions are so off the wall that they make no sense. Try to make some sense......

S-

[sidewinder]

I am not happy with the fact they are subliminally moving their efforts to iphone and tablet.

This comment makes no sense. Do you not realize how much effort Apple has put into Mac OS X 10.6 and what it means for the future of the OS and desktop applications?

It is possible for a company to work on multiple projects in multiple market segements.

S-

[Watabou]

I haven't had a single problem with Snow Leopard on either 3 of my Macs but any update from Apple will be good.

Same here. No problems with printing either. I have an HP printer and a Epson printer. Both of them work fine for me.

[Bubba Satori]

This comment makes no sense. Do you not realize how much effort Apple has put into Mac OS X 10.6 and what it means for the future of the OS and desktop applications?

It is possible for a company to work on multiple projects in multiple market segements.

S-

22 months for a Leopard speed and stability service pack that is now getting it's own service pack. Vista was bad enough, but my Apple customers expect their macs to just work.

[mattwolfmatt]

I just want my printer to work again. Then I will be happy.

Try resetting your printers. Preferences> Printer & Fax> right click on the left side in the white square, reset printing system. Then add it again.

[Eric S.]

Just waiting for this update to make the move.

[Michael73]

That's interesting, I have not had this problem and I too am using a Time Capsule to backup my MBP. Did you do a clean install or an upgrade? Also, are you backing up wired or wireless?

I did an upgrade and I'm backing up wirelessly.

A bit of background...
I bought the TC last weekend and on Sunday morning did an initial wired backup and then set it back to wireless mode. Sunday evening I installed SL and couldn't get the TC to back up later Sunday night, Monday or most of yesterday. I finally called Apple Technical support and they advised me to do another wired backup due to the amount of changes from 10.5.8 to 10.6. Sure enough there were 21+GB of changes and the wired backup took about 30 minutes. However, since yesterday the machine has frozen several times when opening the TM interface and when it does open, response is terribly slow.

[SnowLeopardUser]

This comment makes no sense. Do you not realize how much effort Apple has put into Mac OS X 10.6 and what it means for the future of the OS and desktop applications?

It is possible for a company to work on multiple projects in multiple market segments.

S-

Exactly, well put! They clearly have different teams working on different projects. Operating Systems, Other software (ilife, final cut, iwork etc), Hardware and Ipod/Iphones departments. They are a large company, also too many people working on one project would probably ruin it. As they say, too many cooks spoil the broth.

[Ledgem]

Just a note to the complainers, instead of complaining here where nothing will be done about it, why not write your feedback directly to Apple?

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

OSX 10.6 is now listed for feedback. Believe it or not, Apple really does respond to issues listed there - especially if a lot of people write in about the same thing. Make sure to be relatively detailed and rational in your requests and complaints.

(I personally wrote in requesting that the older Expose style be brought back, at least as an option - if you feel the same way, jump on the bandwagon and write in about it. Hopefully we'll see it soon!)

And though I don't work for Apple, I'll say a big thank you to the people who do bother to share their thoughts with Apple. It helps to make OS X better for all of us.

[eme jota ce]

I just want my printer to work again. Then I will be happy.

me too :(

Lost a printer (Konica Minolta magicolor 3300) and half of a scanner's functionality (S510M) to Snow Leopard upgrade.

EDIT: I've submitted both to apple's SL bug reporting page.

[AJ1BostonMASS]

Try resetting your printers. Preferences> Printer & Fax> right click on the left side in the white square, reset printing system. Then add it again.


I tried it once and it didnt work.
Tried it a second time then it worked hmmm. weird.

Thank you!

[Eminemdrdre00]

iChat in Snow Leopard is very buggy. I've had it crash time after time, especially when video chatting or try to share a file with iChat Theater. Anyone else have problems with iChat in Snow Leopard?

[Michael73]

Please read this page carefully ...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/5

..or my statement on this from a while back..

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=8163208&postcount=424

(you don't really need to run the kernel 64-bit on that system, not gaining you a heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things and leaving you open to 3rd party, etc. incompatibilities in the short term)

Agreed that I don't *need* to run the kernel 64-bit but why even stifle small gains?

[Arnenys]

(I personally wrote in requesting that the older Expose style be brought back, at least as an option - if you feel the same way, jump on the bandwagon and write in about it. Hopefully we'll see it soon!)



Apple doesn't like options, so I won't hope too hard.

[Master Chief]

+1. Or you can always edit /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist to make it look like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyLis
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>Kernel</key>
<string>mach_kernel</string>
<key>Kernel Flags</key>
<string>arch=x86_64</string>
</dict>
</plist>

If your system is able, it will then boot into 64-bit mode every time with no need to hold the keys down.
Which you can check by simply entering the following line:ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi
Which should return: "firmware-abi" = <"EFI64">

[BJB Productions]

Looks like it might be time to load up the version I bought. Just waiting for 10.6.1 to upgrade.

Same here

[awulf]

10.6 Seems to be running well on my Hackintosh, better than 10.5 did.
The Finder no longer feels like it's held together by sticky tape.

I would've liked to try 10.6 on my MacBook Pro but its Nvidia 8600 broke and is in for repairs.

The only problem I have is EyeTV skipping frames or crashing the computer all together, which didn't happen in 10.5, but this is most likely an EyeTV problem.

[lkrupp]

It seems odd that Apple are looking for feedback from only a small select 'invitation only' group..... why don't they try to gain as much information from their customers as possible. They could save time and money by just trawling through all the threads on the MacRumors forum !!

Because 99.99% of the posts by customers claiming this or that bug are useless garbage from the clueless universe.

[xIGmanIx]

Damn, that was fast.

see below

At the current rate, Apple could immediately cease OS development for a decade and still be ahead of Microsoft in the operating systems "race."

Now that we're all about printers . . .

My Laserjet P2015 works fine. Drivers included in SL already.

However, still seems to default to 600x600 dpi despite the ProRes 1200 (1200x1200 dpi) option being available and me selecting it. Seems like HP didn't go the whole nine with their drivers, either in SL or Leopard. Oh well, output still looks quite good, the best 600x600 I've seen from a Laser in its price range ($300-$400.)

Either that, or 1200x1200 looks exactly like 600x600, which I don't think is normal.

Unsure whether the HP toolbox software (tweaking output, ink density, etc.) works. Haven't tried that yet.

Not sure why we are putting drivers on apple, to me that should be directed at your vendor, but that is applying Microsoft logic. That in my opinion happens at every new release OS, 3rd parties didn't get on the ball and the OS is to blame. I am sure the drivers issues will be worked out, but it is curious since seeds were available preventing this from happening. I will hold off on upgrading my wife's computer since she could care less

[starflyer]

HP Photosmart C4280 printing and scanning work flawlessly.

[shakenmartini]

I've had the following problems on my Mac Pro (2006):


My Mac Pro won't go into sleep mode. I can force it to sleep by using the 'Sleep' command in the :apple: menu, but it won't do it by it's self. I have tried this on both a 10.6 upgrade and clean install and both have the same problem.
On occasion I have no :apple: menu bar after booting up.
Some of my drives go to sleep even thought I have disabled the option in energy saver.
A few crashes with iTunes and Safari.
Occasionally get permission errors when syncing my iPhone.


The above issues have been experienced after performing a clean install. I originally did an upgrade but the machine was unbearably slow after the installation.

You have either a corrupted install or bad hardware (e.g. memory).

Have you tried installing from an external hard drive instead of disk? Maybe you are having issues during installation from disk (e.g. bad dvd player)?

Are you installing from a retail copy or a borrowed copy, this could also be the problem.

[Jelite]

You're all winding yourselves up for a big letdown if you think .1 is going to fix all your problems.

[avidmacuser]

I haven't had a single problem with Snow Leopard on either 3 of my Macs but any update from Apple will be good.

Hey, thats really great to hear. You probably dont use any of the plethora of apps that dont work in the incompatibility list then. http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/

[Eidorian]

Fix the browser issues. It's happening on all my Snow Leopard Macs under all browsers. Clean install or upgrade regardless.

[chrysrobyn]

I hope they've fixed the network scanning for the HP LaserJet 2800 family (and my 2820).

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I wish Apple would release Bootcamp 3.1 with updated graphics drivers and actual working sound drivers for unibody Macbook Pros.

[avidmacuser]

You're all winding yourselves up for a big letdown if you think .1 is going to fix all your problems.

No it probably wont fix everyones problems, perhaps if we waited until 10.7? Will 'all' our problems ever be fixed? How interesting that an extremely high number of causes and conditions determine wether someone experiences a problem or not. 'dependent arising' comes to mind ;)

[maconspace]

I have to use my old Power PC iMac to print to my HP P1006 now and when I iChat with users who are still on 10.5, I get no audio.

Other than that, I'm happy with the update.

[eastcoastsurfer]

Which you can check by simply entering the following line:ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi
Which should return: "firmware-abi" = <"EFI64">

That's not enough. You have to have a machine listed by Apple. Specifically the MBP 3,1s list EFI64 (b/c they are fully 64bit hardware with SR chipset) yet they will not boot the 64 bit kernel. I would like to know why I can run any other 64 bit OS (Vista, Win7, Linux) natively, but not the latest OS X.

[XheartcoreboyX]

I have been using SL for a week, the machine boots and shuts off very significantly quicker, applications launch in WAY less time.

I am very pleased with this update, only problem that i have is that i can't activate go into sleep (by moving cursor to upper left corner) while in expose, however I can do it while i am not using expose, no big deal, but it didn't do this in leopard.

[cult hero]

Still holding out for a seamless transition!

You're going to be holding out indefinitely then. (Or you'll be working on the enterprise with VERY, VERY expensive hardware and said software only running on a VERY, VERY limited subset of hardware. And even then... you'll be holding out.)

Software updates break things. There's no way for any company to test all third party hardware and software. It's hard enough to get your own stuff running. So, you get it to the point that's it's "good enough" then unleash it on early adopters.

I know a lot of people sit around this forum and say, "Apple is making me its beta tester." And the answer, of course, is, "No, you're making yourself a beta tester by buying 0 day software. Deal with it." If you want "shiny" then upgrade early and deal with it. If you want things to be easier... wait 6 - 12 months before adoption.

With that said, I bought a family pack and have loaded it up on three machines thus far (soon to be a 4th) and while I have minor quibbles I've found it to be more responsive than Leopard and like a lot of the small fixes like an animation when a wireless connection is being searched for. Macports is broken all over the place but... I've gotten around all of that.

[cult hero]

no, it shows they should not have rolled it out, and make us suckers *cough* ginea pigs *cough* regression test until it's correct.

Oh please. I get so sick of this. NO ONE forced anyone to upgrade and most of the particularly smug among you are people who seem to know initial releases have issues but still can't help themselves.

About the only people I feel for at all are people who buy Macs right now, but that said, my first Mac came out right when Tiger did (it was preinstalled with 10.3 and I upgraded it right then and there) and never had an issue. If you're technical enough to know you need certain third party items or whatever, you've kept up with this and have no excuse for being blindsided and SL is simply not going to be an issue for the trendy douches and old people who frequent the Apple store. iTunes, iPhoto and Safari run fine.

[gmcalpin]

Firstly. I stopped using tiger once Leo came out, secondly I hate wintel with passion but I have to express my dissatisfaction with late outings of apple.
I am not happy with the fact they are subliminally moving their efforts to iphone and tablet.
As someone else already asked: Have you ever tried clean installing Leopard or SL without re-importing your preferences and user data to see how it runs?

Because my two Macs run like a ****in' dream and have ever since 10.5.4 or so.
Oh please. I get so sick of this. NO ONE forced anyone to upgrade and most of the particularly smug among you are people who seem to know initial releases have issues but still can't help themselves.
Seriously. There's a reason my copy of Snow Leopard is still in its shrink-wrap; I learned my lesson with 10.5.0.

[spazzcat]

Am I the only one not having any issues? In fact everything is working a lot better.

[Sehnsucht]

+1. Or you can always edit /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist to make it look like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyLis
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>Kernel</key>
<string>mach_kernel</string>
<key>Kernel Flags</key>
<string>arch=x86_64</string>
</dict>
</plist>

If your system is able, it will then boot into 64-bit mode every time with no need to hold the keys down.

Edited the plist, but it wouldn't let me save it? :confused: "Could not be saved?"

[pzee]

22 months for a Leopard speed and stability service pack that is now getting it's own service pack. Vista was bad enough, but my Apple customers expect their macs to just work.

Oh please, stop being so obtuse. Did SL suddenly stop working?

The sky is falling !!!!

[cult hero]

But on the plus side, my printer still works, all my apps still work, and Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ the Messiah, it's fast. It boots in about 8 - 10 seconds. Almost like having a solid-state drive. :D

Yeah, sleep and wake on my laptop are noticeably faster. I have a 2007 17" MBP and an Oct. 2008 Unibody and I've noticed a general improvement in speed around the board. However, on my 2007 Mini, the speed increase is WAY more pronounced.

I've been happy with SL for the most part. I cloned my machine right before the install in case there were any show stoppers so I could go right back if I needed to. (That, and I ALWAYS do a fresh install and MANUALLY move my stuff over application at a time. It's time consuming, but how often do you reload an OS? For me it's been... once per OS release.)

I just wish I could put them on my G4 Minis... but I figured 10.6 or 10.7 is when they'd drop PPC anyway, so I'm not surprised.

[cult hero]

Seriously. There's a reason my copy of Snow Leopard is still in its shrink-wrap; I learned my lesson with 10.5.0.

Why did you ever bother purchasing it at release then? Did you like the box art or something?

[pzee]

Many of you remind me of this ->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXStPqhLmIk

[CQd44]

Edited the plist, but it wouldn't let me save it? :confused: "Could not be saved?"

Did you edit it via "sudo nano" in terminal?

[Lordedmond]

Edited the plist, but it wouldn't let me save it? :confused: "Could not be saved?"

just change the permissions for the folder that it is in to give you read and write


or use terminal

type in

sudo nvram boot-args="arch=x86_64"

give it your password, reboot

[Shop]

hopefully this will fix the beachballing under the 9400m!

I had this problem too on my new 13" MBP, when I installed as an upgrade (it's an upgrade DVD, right :o )... I don't have much third party software installed other than Boxee, VLC, and Parallels 4. Was really disappointed with the beachballing at almost every click (ok, exaggerating a LITTLE) so I was going to downgrade back to 10.5.8.

I decided instead to format the drive and install 10.6 clean and it's running fine now. I even let it import my settings from a prior Time Machine backup (it brought in my settings, emails and contacts, and previously installed apps).

I have the $10 UTD version. Hope this helps someone.

[jmlfl]

any idea if it will be compatable with the Golden release 10A432 ? i mean not the retail box .. :confused:

Either you are a developer or you got 10A432 somewhere. In the latter case, man, don't be cheap, buy the DVD, it's just 29 dollars. Plus you'd better be careful with things you get from the internet, some are doing with SL what others did with the latest iWork distributed "freely" online, that is injecting Trojans.

[theLastBeatle]

I didn't ask you to stop expressing your opinion, so please stop being a god like figure to tell me what to do. whoever wants to will read it.

Hello xeex,

this is God.

I heard you say my name and thought I'd see what you were up to.

[*LTD*]

let me correct myself garbage Leopard era since Tiger, always had problems with Leo and now newly installed SL although i have a new computer, its just puzzles me, how apple can cock up so much that even newly released computers have obvious problems running this operating system.

i would have to agree with comments with one user who made them recently. apple totally lost interest in hardware and operating system and moved slowly but surely to iphone gimmick and now this tablet rubbish.

Leopard ran beautifully for most people from day one. SL for the vast majority is just fine.

If it's supposed to make your machine faster, and it isn't, then something is wrong on your end.

As for your last comment, you're in the minority. Really. The part that for some reason (likely trolling) doesn't reflect Apple's customer satisfaction ratings, year after year after year, survey after survey, report after report.

Oh well.

[cult hero]

22 months for a Leopard speed and stability service pack that is now getting it's own service pack. Vista was bad enough, but my Apple customers expect their macs to just work.

A service pack... heh. Okay, whatever.

[MACWhite]

give me an update for iDVD. kept quitting on me and wouldn't burn.

[cult hero]

I had this problem too on my new 13" MBP, when I installed as an upgrade (it's an upgrade DVD, right :o )... I don't have much third party software installed other than Boxee, VLC, and Parallels 4. Was really disappointed with the beachballing at almost every click (ok, exaggerating a LITTLE) so I was going to downgrade back to 10.5.8.

I decided instead to format the drive and install 10.6 clean and it's running fine now. I even let it import my settings from a prior Time Machine backup (it brought in my settings, emails and contacts, and previously installed apps).

I have the $10 UTD version. Hope this helps someone.

In my experience on the machines I've installed on, clean installs work well. In fact. Although, I installed SL on my dad's machine and migrated all the applications (including VMware Fusion and Office 2008) and his settings and there hasn't been any issue so far. A clean install + migration (I ignored the "extra" 8gb at the bottom and just moved his stuff + apps) has been great.

[avidmacuser]

Am I the only one not having any issues? In fact everything is working a lot better.

Went back to 10.5.8 for the reasons that I was having just too many issues with apps not working as expected. Although snappier, I was hoping for less crackle and pop.

[steveh]

It seems odd that Apple are looking for feedback from only a small select 'invitation only' group..... why don't they try to gain as much information from their customers as possible. They could save time and money by just trawling through all the threads on the MacRumors forum !!

Because there are only so many hours in a day?

Open the process up to everyone in Known Space, and most of the feedback you get will be useless.

Select a group of reviewers that you know are competent to test the candidate release, and you get better input and a far better chance of getting the release worked through in a reasonable amount of time, with a reasonable expectation of success.

And yes, I've dealt with this sort of thing in hardware development over the past 30 years.

[steveh]

??? What are you talking about? Leopard was sheer utter garbage when it was released.

It's so much easier to make sweeping claims by comparing 10.6.0 with 10.5.8.

So that's what they do. :)

[borcanm]

Nice. Anyone know what 10.6.1 will bring?

[xxSpudxx]

"There have, however, been several reports from users who are encountering the spinning wheel of death and battling issues with Snow Leopard's build in Cisco VPN -- two issues which may see some relief under Mac OS X 10.6.1."

Thank God. That built-in Cisco VPN is the FAIL.



Really? I followed this discussion and it worked fine for me:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2129366&start=15&tstart=0

[jimoase]

Try this yourself....
Enter 25 or more rules and the Rules Window will extend off the bottom of the screen making the CANCEL or ACCEPT button impossible access using the mouse pointer.

This problem has been repeatedly reported and confirmed during phone calls with Apple Support Techs over the last two years.

This is a nuisance problem with a very simple solution that has not caught the proper people's attention. Please pass the word until this gets fixed. Then we can get the problem with Safari rendering this site fixed
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php
Try scrolling the map. This has been in various forms of broke for a couple years as well.

Jim

[cult hero]

Because there are only so many hours in a day?

Open the process up to everyone in Known Space, and most of the feedback you get will be useless.

Select a group of reviewers that you know are competent to test the candidate release, and you get better input and a far better chance of getting the release worked through in a reasonable amount of time, with a reasonable expectation of success.

And yes, I've dealt with this sort of thing in hardware development over the past 30 years.

The worst part is you end up getting more feature requests than identified bugs and the average person is useless for reporting problems in any way that resemble meaningful.

"MY COMPUTER DOESN'T WORK AFTER UPGRADE!"

"Can you be more specific."

"Yah. I guess. My computer doesn't 'function' now."

"Gee, thanks."

[steveh]

If you wish for a company to not release software until it is perfect, then you can wait from here until eternity because there is no such thing.

"There comes a time in the development of every product when you have to tear it out of the hands of the engineers and just ship the sucker."

[avidmacuser]

Many of you remind me of this ->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXStPqhLmIk

lol, yea i got a good chuckle out of that one... mind you what wasnt mentioned is the fact that many people as consumers are spending their hard earned cash on these services and do 'expect' them to work. The example of internet on airplanes came to mind, although an airline may offer it as a free or bonus service, surely its included in the price of the ticket, its just a little harder to complain on failure if its advertised as a complimentary service anyway. :rolleyes:

we now return you to our regularly scheduled program...please stand by ;)

[Clayne]

has anyone else's trackpad been acting funny, delaying and such (especially on flash-based things)?

Hopefully this update will restore the trackpad to it's previous level of capability.

[rwilliams]

Really? I followed this discussion and it worked fine for me:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2129366&start=15&tstart=0

Yeah, I've been following those discussions since I installed Snow Leopard, and it still won't work. A lot of people using IPSec over UDP connections are unable to use the Apple client, and are having to still use Cisco's client instead.

[Sehnsucht]

or use terminal

type in

sudo nvram boot-args="arch=x86_64"

give it your password, reboot

Did that, thanks! :cool:

[xxSpudxx]

Yeah, I've been following those discussions since I installed Snow Leopard, and it still won't work. A lot of people using IPSec over UDP connections are unable to use the Apple client, and are having to still use Cisco's client instead.


ok gotcha.

I was just pleasantly surprised that all my stuff works like it is supposed to.

I used my $10 upgrade disk on my maxed out 24" imac that I purchased in Feb..err i mean in june. :D

Printers work, stuff is faster, got hard drive space back...etc.. knock on wood, no issues.

So when the VPN worked the first try i was pretty WOW'd

[avidmacuser]

"There comes a time in the development of every product when you have to tear it out of the hands of the engineers and just ship the sucker."

...to the sucker thats paid for it a little too early. :D

[Mattww]

10.6 has been pretty good for me in general - noticeably more responsive and lots of little refinements.

The only issues I have noted so far are that 5.1 (AC3) passthrough from with iTunes has stopped working (it only started working in late builds of 10.5) so this is a bit of a regression and the calculator no longer lists imperial gallons in the conversion options.

Also my HP printer (Deskjet 5850) doesn't have a driver from HP or open source - it works basically with 5900 series option but I don't have access to the usual features.

Interestingly the only non-64bit Kernel extensions showing in System profiler are for my Drobo so I might be able to try the 64-bit kernel soon.

I'm also hoping some apps like VLC appear as 64-bit soon.

[*LTD*]

22 months for a Leopard speed and stability service pack that is now getting it's own service pack. Vista was bad enough, but my Apple customers expect their macs to just work.

A service pack that shifts everything to 64-bit, speeds up current hardware, includes OpenCL and Grand Central, etc.

More here:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars

Wow. Some service pack.

[G-Force]

good to see that admit that SL is just garbage in comparison to Leopard.
Yeah, just like Leopard was garbage compared to Tiger. :rolleyes: I've installed Tiger a few days ago on a second partition on my MacBook and it keeps amazing me. The menubar, the Dock.. everything looks better to me. Also, speedwise, it's much, much faster on my MacBook. I kinda miss Tiger, but I can't stay in the past forever I guess. I did use Leopard from day one though, it's not like I never used Leopard.

Sure hope 10.6.1 fixes a LOT of bugs because 10.5.1 didn't fix that much IMO.

[newfoundglory]

I'm hoping for:

* Mail fixes... LOTS of them. Its embarrassingly *****.

* An updated Safari... 4.0.4 to iron out last new nitro/Javascript issues

* Bug fixes, especially the fact that 10.6 spotlight indexes Time Machine hard drives even when you tell it not to and some graphics rendering irregularities.

* iTunes X (MUST be Cocoa and 64-bit)

* H264 acceleration using 8600M GT

* Optional ZFS read/write support in the Kernel (I can only dream....)

[Macinposh]

The only thing rubbish is your comments. Have you ever tried clean installing Leopard or SL without re-importing your preferences and user data to see how it runs?

I'm pretty sure you will find that it runs quite well and that you will be able to slowly add back your applications until you find out where your incompatibility problems are coming from.



You really think that is the way to install a OS?
Really?I mean really?



I would say that it is the last resort,not the normal modus operandi.
I could almost go so far to say it is not the optimal way of installin anything that you have to make a clean install and import all tits and bits manually.


The apple franchaise holds a certain esteem in it that it should "just work" and that sure as heck aint it.

[mgridgaway]

You really think that is the way to install a OS?
Really?I mean really?



I would say that it is the last resort,not the normal modus operandi.
I could almost go so far to say it is not the optimal way of installin anything that you have to make a clean install and import all tits and bits manually.


The apple franchaise holds a certain esteem in it that it should "just work" and that sure as heck aint it.

I always fresh install, no matter what. I don't mind rebuilding my system if it ensures everything will run smoothly. It only takes me a night anyway, so it's no biggie. It's all preference though.


I've had no major problems with SL, just a few minor quirks. QT X doesn't like to play on full-screen, which is an issue I had with Leopard Classic when it first came out. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon. Other than that it's just software incompatibility (maybe 2 or 3 apps), that I expect to get fixed shortly.

[fahlman]

Am I the only one noticing that the Finder seems a bit sluggish? Most notable when scrolling the icons don't populate right away.

I have the same problem on my 1.83GHz MacBook (Late 2006) with 2GB RAM.

[fleshman03]

good to see that admit that SL is just garbage in comparison to Leopard.

Yeah, that extra hour of battery life I got from SL; totally trash.

Glad to see they are working hard on improving SL. By 10.6.2, this should be a full beast!

[subaqua]

Glad to see that 10.6.1 is coming out to help some of those people having trouble. So far I've upgraded the following systems:

MacBookPro 4,1 - Clean Install ; no issues

has 4GB of memory and 3rd party SD/XD card reader.

I enabled 64-bit Kernel boot via nvram/boot-args

3rd Party Apps: Office 2008, Omnigraffle, VMWare Fusion; World of
Warcraft.

Standard Use of Mac Apps: Mail, iLife 09. No issues.

Lots of Ruby on Rails development; I use Ruby 1.9.2 and just needed
to re-compile the Phusion Passenger apache module.

No issues except with VMWare ... Version 2.0.5 does not work with 64-bit
kernel. I have to boot into 32-bit kernel to run it which isn't too often.

White MacBook - Clean Install; restore from TM backup

Apps: Mac Apps, iLife 09 & Microsoft Office 2008.

No problems.

MacPro Jan 2008; Upgrade from 10.5.8

Same apps as MacBookPro; no issues except VMWare Fusion under 64-bit
kernel.

This system has a Drobo attached; no issues with Drobo.

All 3 systems share a networked Brother 9840CDW printer/scanner. No issues with this printer; the driver *was* upgraded.

Also, boot times on all the systems are/seem faster. Not a bad release in my experience but we mainly do development work C, Perl, Ruby and don't rely much on devices and software which has custom drivers.

Your mileage may vary.

[Bistroengine]

I am having a ton of issues with programs crashing when simply trying to save files. Even Apple programs. Preview, Quicktime 7, Entourage, Photoshop CS3 to name a few. Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't this be considered an Apple issue and not a developer issue? I'm not a programmer by any means, but system wide crashes when trying to save files seem like an OS issue not a 3rd party developer issue. This is my biggest beef with Snow Leopard so far. Anyone else having these problems?

[Musubi]

I was invited and accepted to test, but haven't received the new build yet. Maybe it's an even smaller subset of the accepted testers?

Normally at the start of whatever customer seeding project becomes available, it may take up to a few days until you can download builds/access the discussion forum(s). Other times (especially during business hours in Cupertino and particularly with this seed), you can be up and running within minutes after you've accepted the invite.

[kunze50]

Everything in Snow Leopard for me has been far better/smoother than Leopard. The only problems that I have is that Flash and iChat seem to take up 90-100% cpu usage and cause my cpu fans to rev up to 5000 rpm. Expose and spaces animations also seem to lag. Does anyone else have these problems?

[scroto]

If W7 is released with half as many issues as SL the press will have a feild day and Apple will make a commercial about it.

[*LTD*]

If W7 is released with half as many issues as SL the press will have a feild day and Apple will make a commercial about it.

I'll take a buggy OS X over a near-perfect Windows version any day. And SL seems to be just fine for the majority of users. The main complaints seem to be printer drivers, which is to be expected.

And I applaud the press for whatever it can do to damage MS' image. The more their third-rate products are exposed and ridiculed, the better. Their back-asswards, amateur copies of OS X have gotten them quite far, but these days even the most average consumer is wising up to the fact that MS has lost its edge.

A corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerading as a home/consumer vendor can only keep up the act for so long.

[scroto]

[QUOTE=*LTD*;8414502]I'll take a buggy OS X over a near-perfect Windows version any day.



That's just stupid.

[Eric S.]

Which you can check by simply entering the following line:ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi
Which should return: "firmware-abi" = <"EFI64">

That's not enough. You have to have a machine listed by Apple. Specifically the MBP 3,1s list EFI64 (b/c they are fully 64bit hardware with SR chipset) yet they will not boot the 64 bit kernel. I would like to know why I can run any other 64 bit OS (Vista, Win7, Linux) natively, but not the latest OS X.

64-bit kernel support is also disabled for all Macbooks (MBs, not MBPs), even for those with a 64-bit EFI.

[Drag'nGT]

I just want all the 64 bit stuff enabled and running. I've had the beach ball pop up more than it has in the past but I'm betting it's because of all the 64 and 32 bit stuff fighting. That's apps though. The system is stable and my stuff works. Just need all my apps on the 64 bit boat. :D

[avidmacuser]

You really think that is the way to install a OS?
Really?I mean really?



I would say that it is the last resort,not the normal modus operandi.
I could almost go so far to say it is not the optimal way of installin anything that you have to make a clean install and import all tits and bits manually.


The apple franchaise holds a certain esteem in it that it should "just work" and that sure as heck aint it.

Yes you could go that far and say that but it wouldn't be accurate. A clean install is 'always' the recommended choice to avoid most of those types of problems. This of course is no guarantee that every problem gets solved. If it sparks... a fresh install may NOT be the answer.

[vegfarandi]

I hope they fix the icon-changing bug. I can't change icons at all. When I try, the icon just turns into an ICO-file icon.

[lssmit02]

I lost a Xerox Workcentre Pro 255 with the upgrade. Went to Xerox site, which said that their 64 bit driver was not ready yet, but that existing driver would work with 32 bit programs (Office 2008, e.g.). Downloaded and reinstalled, and bingo, network printing with full options back for Word, Acrobat and other programs I use a lot.

Of course, YMMV.

[slapppy]

I haven't had a single problem with Snow Leopard on either 3 of my Macs but any update from Apple will be good.

Same with me on my MBP 2.5 and old iMac 1.83. Straight up update with Family Pack DVD, nothing special done on the machines. It all works. Canon printers work fine. :)

[avidmacuser]

Am I the only one noticing that the Finder seems a bit sluggish? Most notable when scrolling the icons don't populate right away.

Yes it was that way for me too... like a four-wheel-drive with one flat tire. Also sometimes finder icons didnt show up after copying files off my ipod. As I said before, ive reinstalled 10.5.8 and waiting for several 10.6.x bug fixes to roll in, then watch the forums, and then, when I am satisfied after looking at the compatibility list (http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/) that the programs I use and may likely use in the near future have been given the compatibility check mark.... will I try again.

Not that I am not interested in all the new improvements but I really dont care for spending a few hours to re-install the os, re-install applications, and configure all of those only to be disappointed in its stability / compatibility. And yes I could just update my system preserving my current leopard settings but no...I too prefer to start off on a fresh clean slate with the least amount of problems or potential glitches. Its that type of experience I am looking for and I am willing to wait a while longer to get it as close as I can to the user experience I'm looking for.

[sam10685]

What's the build number? Nothing matters but that.

[numbersyx]

Still waiting for my copy of SL - sounds like most people will have 10.6.1 on their Macs before I get 10.6!!!!!

[Spinnetti]

I've found a couple things:

> Machine crashed first launch of Front row (seems ok since)
> Didn't carry over my printer drivers as advertised, but internet load of them worked fine, so no biggie
> 1/3 of the time my machine starts with no bluetooth (critical since that's all I have for mouse and kbd, and introduced with 10.5.7)
> Large finder copies fail (over 40k files) with "duplicate file found" type message, even though there aren't any.

Spoke too soon
> Opening folders in icon view results in delay to build icons, even with a small amount of them

That's it so far.

[cult hero]

You really think that is the way to install a OS?
Really?I mean really?



I would say that it is the last resort,not the normal modus operandi.
I could almost go so far to say it is not the optimal way of installin anything that you have to make a clean install and import all tits and bits manually.


The apple franchaise holds a certain esteem in it that it should "just work" and that sure as heck aint it.

No OS has ever upgraded nicely for me. Not Windows, not Ubuntu, not <insert some other Linux distro> and I generally don't even trust Apple. New OS means new clean setup for me. I use it as an excuse to get rid of programs I never use and dump data I've been hoarding for no food reason. Sort of a digital spring cleaning.

The time it takes to do a clean install will more than be made up for by the headaches that are saved.

I have had good luck with Apple's migration tool though. For simpler setups than mine it's been trouble free.

[Bubba Satori]

I'll take a buggy OS X over a near-perfect Windows version any day....And I applaud the press for whatever it can do to damage MS' image.

:confused:

[Whaleyland]

I did an update install three days ago and had little problem. As expected, Quicktime X crashes whenever I try to play an .avi file. Also, Boot Camp 3.0 won't install on Windows XP. It states that it can't find BootCamp.msi (even when I select that very file), which I believe means it is having an version check problem, but I can't find a way to fix it. Other than that, my MacBook (Late 2006, 3GB RAM, 320HD) isn't booting up as fast as advertised (although still faster than before), feels much warmer than it did under 10.5, and still lags on a bunch of programs. MS Word 2008 also crashed a lot until I applied the latest update (from last week). It also seems to misead my remaining battery life because it has gone to hibernate now twice at about 5% remaining. Oddly, after force shut down and removing the battery (also twice), it still resumes from hibernate rather than shuts down entirely. Really weird! I hope that means they are closer to getting hibernate mode working with Boot Camp (where both OSs can hibernate to allow no-restart booting). Overall, though, I am not too happy about the new OS and am really looking forward to the 10.6.1 update. I only wish my Mac had a graphic card so I could use the new OpenCL and Quicktime features...sigh...

[aprilfools]

10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 & 10.6 have all worked fine for me upon initial installation. I have a feeling that those with problems have alot of 3rd party software on their Macs. Solution: unless you absolutely can't live without someones software, don't install it. Just more crap to corrupt your system. Look at the crap that comes out everyday on versiontracker.com. Always a ton of stuff you mostly don't really need.

Those of you with all the problems with 10.6 most likely have your fair share of it on your mac. That is where the problem really is.

[Matt-Man-Plus]

I know I'm probably gonna get roasted for this question but what is the difference between a clean install and an upgrade? I'm waiting for my copy of SL to come in the mail and I don't know which method I should use to install it. I currently have a time capsule and use time machine for wireless backups of my unibody MacBook.

Does a clean install mean that SL is installed and all files, settings and prefrences are gone and the system is like it is the day I took it out of the box? From reading various threads here it seems like that is the preffered method. If this is the case do you just move your files back from an external HD? Can you use a time machine restore from a time capsule?

[compuguy1088]

Which you can check by simply entering the following line:ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi
Which should return: "firmware-abi" = <"EFI64">

My MacbookPro 3,1 reports EFI64, even though it does not support booting snow leopard with a 64 bit kernel (Note: I have not upgraded to snow leopard).

[pbrooks]

10.6 Seems to be running well on my Hackintosh, better than 10.5 did.
The Finder no longer feels like it's held together by sticky tape.

I would've liked to try 10.6 on my MacBook Pro but its Nvidia 8600 broke and is in for repairs.

The only problem I have is EyeTV skipping frames or crashing the computer all together, which didn't happen in 10.5, but this is most likely an EyeTV problem.

My EyeTV Hybrid works fine with v. 3.1.2 of the software since upgrading to SL. I was worried it wouldn't.

[cult hero]

I know I'm probably gonna get roasted for this question but what is the difference between a clean install and an upgrade? I'm waiting for my copy of SL to come in the mail and I don't know which method I should use to install it. I currently have a time capsule and use time machine for wireless backups of my unibody MacBook.

Nah, it's a legitimate question if you've never done it before. Anyone who roasts you for the question isn't worth paying attention to anyway.

It's pretty simple, in and upgrade you install over the top of your existing OS. All the programs and all your data is still there. Trouble is, as I said in a post above, these never seem to go well. There's all kinds of crap that's carried over and doesn't get purged and although the software manufacturer wanted it to be seamless, it almost never is.

On a clean install, you make sure all your data is backed up elsewhere, completely wipe the hard drive and do a "fresh" install.

[QUOTE=Matt-Man-Plus;8415999Does a clean install mean that SL is installed and all files, settings and prefrences are gone and the system is like it is the day I took it out of the box? From reading various threads here it seems like that is the preffered method. If this is the case do you just move your files back from an external HD? Can you use a time machine restore from a time capsule?[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Everything's gone. But there are a couple of options (and I'd suggest checking a few online guides because I haven't done all these personally):

1. The method for the guy who has too much time on his hands (like me): Get ANOTHER hard drive aside from your time machine volume and user a program like SuperDuper! to make a perfect clone of your existing drive. Wipe your machine's drive clean, install the OS, recreate your user account manually as if it were a new user and then manually reinstall all your software and manually copy over stuff from your Library folder as you need it. This method is time consuming and a pain. But it'll bring with it the least amount of legacy rubbish. (And admittedly, it's probably overkill. But there were some reports of Apple Mail having issues when bringing over previous settings. I set my accounts up manually and Mail has been better than I ever remember it.)

2. The next method (which I just did on my dad's MacBook Pro) is, once the new OS is installed and you've restarted, the "Migration Assistant." You have a bunch of different options here. It'll ask if you want to migrate data from another Mac, another volume (a cloned hard drive like mine) or a time machine volume. Pick any and it'll give you particular instructions on what to do. Once you select a volume it'll ask you what you want to transfer:

A. User Files
B. Applications
C. Other System Files
D. Other (which was like 8gigs worth of crap when I did this with my dad's machine.)

I checked A and B and everything seems to have gone smoothly.

I don't know precisely how this all ties together with time capsule since all my time machine volumes are simply on USB HDs. But I'm sure it's pretty much the same.

[cult hero]

As a thought, I'd be curious to see some kind of metric measuring problems between upgrade installs versus clean installs AND older hardware versus the newer stuff. None of my hardware is that old and I did clean installs on all of it and have been mostly problem free.

[mikes70mustang]

"There have, however, been several reports from users who are encountering the spinning wheel of death and battling issues with Snow Leopard's build in Cisco VPN -- two issues which may see some relief under Mac OS X 10.6.1."

Thank God. That built-in Cisco VPN is the FAIL.

I have the Juniper VPN 6.4.0 at my school, it doesnt work at all. And the hack job work around sucks, you have to reload half the pages and it just sucks.

[mikes70mustang]

10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 & 10.6 have all worked fine for me upon initial installation. I have a feeling that those with problems have alot of 3rd party software on their Macs. Solution: unless you absolutely can't live without someones software, don't install it. Just more crap to corrupt your system. Look at the crap that comes out everyday on versiontracker.com. Always a ton of stuff you mostly don't really need.

Those of you with all the problems with 10.6 most likely have your fair share of it on your mac. That is where the problem really is.

Well those of us that use out mac for more than web browsing and youtube watching have to use more than the included software.

[Matt-Man-Plus]

Nah, it's a legitimate question if you've never done it before. Anyone who roasts you for the question isn't worth paying attention to anyway.

It's pretty simple, in and upgrade you install over the top of your existing OS. All the programs and all your data is still there. Trouble is, as I said in a post above, these never seem to go well. There's all kinds of crap that's carried over and doesn't get purged and although the software manufacturer wanted it to be seamless, it almost never is.

On a clean install, you make sure all your data is backed up elsewhere, completely wipe the hard drive and do a "fresh" install.



Yeah. Everything's gone. But there are a couple of options (and I'd suggest checking a few online guides because I haven't done all these personally):

1. The method for the guy who has too much time on his hands (like me): Get ANOTHER hard drive aside from your time machine volume and user a program like SuperDuper! to make a perfect clone of your existing drive. Wipe your machine's drive clean, install the OS, recreate your user account manually as if it were a new user and then manually reinstall all your software and manually copy over stuff from your Library folder as you need it. This method is time consuming and a pain. But it'll bring with it the least amount of legacy rubbish. (And admittedly, it's probably overkill. But there were some reports of Apple Mail having issues when bringing over previous settings. I set my accounts up manually and Mail has been better than I ever remember it.)

2. The next method (which I just did on my dad's MacBook Pro) is, once the new OS is installed and you've restarted, the "Migration Assistant." You have a bunch of different options here. It'll ask if you want to migrate data from another Mac, another volume (a cloned hard drive like mine) or a time machine volume. Pick any and it'll give you particular instructions on what to do. Once you select a volume it'll ask you what you want to transfer:

A. User Files
B. Applications
C. Other System Files
D. Other (which was like 8gigs worth of crap when I did this with my dad's machine.)

I checked A and B and everything seems to have gone smoothly.

I don't know precisely how this all ties together with time capsule since all my time machine volumes are simply on USB HDs. But I'm sure it's pretty much the same.

Thanks for the info. I think i'm going with a clean install and then using the migration assistant.

[jimr]

That's not enough. You have to have a machine listed by Apple. Specifically the MBP 3,1s list EFI64 (b/c they are fully 64bit hardware with SR chipset) yet they will not boot the 64 bit kernel. I would like to know why I can run any other 64 bit OS (Vista, Win7, Linux) natively, but not the latest OS X.

Same with my MacBook 4,1 (less than a year old) - it won't boot the 64-bit kernel because some of the kernel extensions it needs (e.g. AppleIntelGMAX3100) are only 32-bit.

Although it's not really a problem. The 32-bit kernel will quite happily run 64-bit applications.

[aidym]

You have either a corrupted install or bad hardware (e.g. memory).

Have you tried installing from an external hard drive instead of disk? Maybe you are having issues during installation from disk (e.g. bad dvd player)?

Are you installing from a retail copy or a borrowed copy, this could also be the problem.

I am installing from a retail copy and I don't appear to have any issues during installation.

Most of the issues I mentioned other users of 10.6 are experiencing i.e won't sleep (on various macs), no menu bar after boot up, crashing apps.

The only one I am not sure on is the issue with syncing my iPhone. I think I may have a permissions issue with some of the data I am trying to sync to it.

[aidym]

10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 & 10.6 have all worked fine for me upon initial installation. I have a feeling that those with problems have alot of 3rd party software on their Macs. Solution: unless you absolutely can't live without someones software, don't install it. Just more crap to corrupt your system. Look at the crap that comes out everyday on versiontracker.com. Always a ton of stuff you mostly don't really need.

Those of you with all the problems with 10.6 most likely have your fair share of it on your mac. That is where the problem really is.

A lot of the issues listed here are from those who have done clean installs (myself included). I did however start with an upgrade as I originally upgraded from Tiger to Leopard with no issues whatsoever, but after I upgraded to Snow Leopard my machine was unbearably slow and I only had a handful of apps installed.

[BongoBanger]

Interesting.

It's good that a point release is in the works just now, less good that one is required that quickly. As has been mentioned, had MS done this there would be a far bigger outcry.

As an aside, does anyone know if you can get Bootcamp 3.0 drivers without using Snow Leopard? Leopard works fine for me at the moment so I see no need to shift to Snow Leopard until they get it right - if indeed at all.

[spudz]

Yes please hurry up. I'm having issues with my vpn client and quicktime stop playing mp4 files. I'm so glad I didn't upgrade my mac pro.

[Eidorian]

A lot of the issues listed here are from those who have done clean installs (myself included). I did however start with an upgrade as I originally upgraded from Tiger to Leopard with no issues whatsoever, but after I upgraded to Snow Leopard my machine was unbearably slow and I only had a handful of apps installed.I had more problems with the clean install with user migration than just upgrading from Leopard. :confused:

[*LTD*]

I had more problems with the clean install with user migration than just upgrading from Leopard. :confused:

As an Apple store rep told me recently:

Apple's operating systems are meant to be installed as upgrades. Why would you do a full reinstall?

(Maybe he was on to something.)

[Eidorian]

As an Apple store rep told me recently:

Apple's operating systems are meant to be installed as upgrades. Why would you do a full reinstall?

(Maybe he was on to something.)I did a clean installation to get rid of the deep system hook cruft that Parallels and Virtual Box had dug in. Not to mention a few hundred MB of dead application folders in /Library/Application Support.

I don't think to highly of what an Apple store rep says either.

[Bjohnson33]

I just want my printer to work again. Then I will be happy.

I wonder if these issues are Apple's fault, or the fault of the printer company that hasn't updated their drivers? It reminds me of the people left with unusable peripherals after Vista was released - it seemed like a good way for some companies to force people into buying new hardware. Let's hope that's not the case this time around!

[xIGmanIx]

I'll take a buggy OS X over a near-perfect Windows version any day. And SL seems to be just fine for the majority of users. The main complaints seem to be printer drivers, which is to be expected.

And I applaud the press for whatever it can do to damage MS' image. The more their third-rate products are exposed and ridiculed, the better. Their back-asswards, amateur copies of OS X have gotten them quite far, but these days even the most average consumer is wising up to the fact that MS has lost its edge.

A corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerading as a home/consumer vendor can only keep up the act for so long.

i think this qualifies as an extreme fanboy and a little scary that some one can have that profound a feeling over software. I personally am a fan of technology and some of that technology i like happens to be made by apple.

[celtikmind]

I wonder if these issues are Apple's fault, or the fault of the printer company that hasn't updated their drivers? It reminds me of the people left with unusable peripherals after Vista was released - it seemed like a good way for some companies to force people into buying new hardware. Let's hope that's not the case this time around!

Isn't that what the consumer-industry is all and only about these days? *cough* Limited support for "old" 64-bit capable hardware, anyone? :apple: *cough*

[AJ1BostonMASS]

I wonder if these issues are Apple's fault, or the fault of the printer company that hasn't updated their drivers? It reminds me of the people left with unusable peripherals after Vista was released - it seemed like a good way for some companies to force people into buying new hardware. Let's hope that's not the case this time around!

Well I refreshed my printer preferences twice and the second time it worked so I do not know!

[JFreak]

Apple's operating systems are meant to be installed as upgrades. Why would you do a full reinstall?

Maybe because your old system has Adobe installed and you're not been informed that upgrading to SL breaks the licensing engine (at least mine broke). There was little choice after finding out CS3 was not going to launch, even after reinstall.

All of you still not upgraded and have Adobe software installed, REMOVE them entirely and install again after upgrade.

[I WAS the one]

I upgraded to SL and the only things I noticed was: Parallels went off, and Rapidweaver plugins are working buggy... but I can live with that very happy!

[Manic Mouse]

As an Apple store rep told me recently:

Apple's operating systems are meant to be installed as upgrades. Why would you do a full reinstall?

(Maybe he was on to something.)

Every time Apple release a new OS I do a quick-and-dirty upgrade initially just to check it out. Then when I have a day off I wipe and do a clean install. The clean installs always run better, especially with Snow Leopard. The thing is way faster after a clean install.

[full moon]

I was seriously thinking to return the SL and get my money back, but I'll wait for 10.6.1 version and see what happens.

When I work on one thing at a time I don't see any major issue but occasional lags.
Once I start working on different programs, it starts to be sluggish when launching windows.

They really need to look at VMware Fusion and installing windows on a Mac, something goes wrong with that.

[Flyyvon]

I really hope they hurry! I do have some bugs since 10.6.

Most annoying:
- Graphical issues when choosing a page from Safari's "top pages" feature
- When the dock is hidden the Mail icon doesn't bounce every time I get an email as it should, it only does that every once in a while. :(

When i called Apple about those (Graphical issues when choosing a page from Safari's "top pages" feature), they told me it was the first time the heard that.

I also can't with my HP printer when hooked up to my Airport Extreme.

Come on Apple !!!!!

[corinhorn]

They really need to look at VMware Fusion and installing windows on a Mac, something goes wrong with that.

That seems like something VMware should fix and not Apple. I guess it depends though.

[full moon]

That seems like something VMware should fix and not Apple. I guess it depends though.

Vista worked with Mac OS 10.5 leopard seamlessly, but now it freezes.

[corinhorn]

Vista worked with Mac OS 10.5 leopard seamlessly, but now it freezes.

That doesn't mean it's Apple's bug to squish. VMware needs to update it software if there is an incompatibility issue. Developers have to follow the path of the OS, not the other way around. If code in the new OS is different, the developers need to adapt.

VMware works fine for me on SL (XP, Vista, and 7).