Apple Releases Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 5

[MacRumors]

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Apple today released Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 5 (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL924), bringing Java improvements for users running OS X Leopard.Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 5 delivers improved reliability, security, and compatibility for Java SE 6, J2SE 5.0 and J2SE 1.4.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.8 and later.

This release updates Java SE 6 to version 1.6.0_15, J2SE 5.0 to version 1.5.0_20, and J2SE 1.4.2 to 1.4.2_22.The update weighs in at 161.35 MB and requires Mac OS X 10.5.8.

Article Link: Apple Releases Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 5 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/03/apple-releases-java-for-mac-os-x-10-5-update-5/)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

It's safe to assume this update is included in Snow Leopard?

[guzhogi]

OMG! Apple's still supporting 10.5 Leopard! I would've thought that Apple would've totally forgotten about it after it released Snow Leopard!

I hope this shows all those PPC users who whine about not being able to run Snow Leopard on their PPC computers will quiet them down a bit. While they might be able to run Snow Leopard, Apple still cares enough to make what they can run more stable. Not trying to flame, but all those complainers do get annoying after a while to be honest.

[pete.d]

It's safe to assume this update is included in Snow Leopard?

Well, sort of. My understanding is that Snow Leopard's Java is Java 1.6.0_15, which is the same Java 6 version provided with this update.

However, Snow Leopard has removed earlier versions of Java, so the Java 5 and Java 4 updates that are part of this update are not included in Snow Leopard (because the applicable Java versions themselves are not included).

[ryguy2303]

Well, sort of. My understanding is that Snow Leopard's Java is Java 1.6.0_15, which is the same Java 6 version provided with this update.

However, Snow Leopard has removed earlier versions of Java, so the Java 5 and Java 4 updates that are part of this update are not included in Snow Leopard (because the applicable Java versions themselves are not included).

I did my software update and it says I am up to date.

[celticpride678]

Downloaded and Installed fine on Leopard. Everything works fine.

[Watabou]

It's safe to assume this update is included in Snow Leopard?

Yeah. If you open up Terminal and type java -version it should say 1.6.0_15 which is this update.

[Doctor Q]

Downloaded and Installed fine on Leopard. Everything works fine.
I got an error message saying it was unable to download. I simply tried again and it worked. :shrug:

[Amdahl]

OMG! Apple's still supporting 10.5 Leopard! I would've thought that Apple would've totally forgotten about it after it released Snow Leopard!

I hope this shows all those PPC users who whine about not being able to run Snow Leopard on their PPC computers will quiet them down a bit. While they might be able to run Snow Leopard, Apple still cares enough to make what they can run more stable. Not trying to flame, but all those complainers do get annoying after a while to be honest.

Let's talk Tiger. Sold on brand new computers two years ago. Not supported today.

Demand five years of security updates!

[Cubert]

Let's talk Tiger. Sold on brand new computers two years ago. Not supported today.

Demand five years of security updates!

They do release Tiger versions of security updates. This is a Java update.

An aside - can anyone explain the numbering and different versions of Java listed here? It's never made sense to me.

[Amdahl]

They do release Tiger versions of security updates. This is a Java update.

An aside - can anyone explain the numbering and different versions of Java listed here? It's never made sense to me.

So where is the Java update? The last 10.5 Java update was co-released with a version for Tiger.

[RaceTripper]

Well, sort of. My understanding is that Snow Leopard's Java is Java 1.6.0_15, which is the same Java 6 version provided with this update.

However, Snow Leopard has removed earlier versions of Java, so the Java 5 and Java 4 updates that are part of this update are not included in Snow Leopard (because the applicable Java versions themselves are not included).I copied over Java 1.4.2 and Java 1.5 from a bootable Leopard disk to my internal HD with Snow Leopard. Apple's removal of Java 5 doesn't work for me. I have to support a Java 5 application that deploys to an AIX system that doesn't support Java 6. When the update came out today, I booted to the Leopard disk, did the update, rebooted to Snow Leopard and copied over Java 1.4.2 and Java 5 again. I doubt I'll need jdk 1.4.2 again, but I have it just in case.

[Bob Knob]

So where is the Java update? The last 10.5 Java update was co-released with a version for Tiger.

This one hopefully fixes a few issues the last update for 10.5 Java broke... the last 10.4 Java update was clean from everything I have seen.

[Detektiv-Pinky]

I copied over Java 1.4.2 and Java 1.5 from a bootable Leopard disk to my internal HD with Snow Leopard. Apple's removal of Java 5 doesn't work for me. I have to support a Java 5 application that deploys to an AIX system that doesn't support Java 6. When the update came out today, I booted to the Leopard disk, did the update, rebooted to Snow Leopard and copied over Java 1.4.2 and Java 5 again. I doubt I'll need jdk 1.4.2 again, but I have it just in case.

Do you know how I choose which version of Java is used when I start a .jar?

I have one program that refuses to run...

[Amdahl]

This one hopefully fixes a few issues the last update for 10.5 Java broke... the last 10.4 Java update was clean from everything I have seen.

Except for the security holes fixed in 1.4.2.

[foidulus]

Alas, they still didn't fix the iconification issue in 1.6, despite me filing a bug report and actually talking to the Apple engineer....sigh...

[RaceTripper]

Do you know how I choose which version of Java is used when I start a .jar?

I have one program that refuses to run...Run Java Preferences (in the Utilities folder). If you are on Snow Leopard, the only choices are Java 6 32bit and Java 6 64bit (unless you add other versions like I did).

[pohl]

Let's talk Tiger. Sold on brand new computers two years ago. Not supported today.

Is there even much profit to be had in going after a minority demographic so tight-fisted that they won't even upgrade their operating system? The support costs and market fragmentation can't be worth it. Better to piss them off; maybe they'll get the hint and go away.

Oh, I forgot: they are a vocal minority. That's why. ;)

[RaceTripper]

Is there even much profit to be had in going after a minority demographic so tight-fisted that they won't even upgrade their operating system? ...I have to agree.

I mean come on, upgrading to Leopard was only $129. If you don't want to spring for that over the course of two years, then your complaints really don't have much ground. I personally don't want Apple to expend resources on Tiger.

I still use Windows XP. I have no expectations for continued support.

[BTGeekboy]

Is there even much profit to be had in going after a minority demographic so tight-fisted that they won't even upgrade their operating system? The support costs and market fragmentation can't be worth it. Better to piss them off; maybe they'll get the hint and go away.

Oh, I forgot: they are a vocal minority. That's why. ;)

They may be a minority now, but if Apple wants to make inroads into the arguably profitable enterprise market, they'll need to extend those times. There's a reason RedHat Enterprise Linux has a 7 year support cycle (http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/) and Microsoft still patches an OS from 8 years ago - when large companies make images and standardize on a hardware environment, it can be painful to migrate. (If it wasn't, we wouldn't have to worry so much about all the IE6 users in the world...)

[RaceTripper]

They may be a minority now, but if Apple wants to make inroads into the arguably profitable enterprise market, ...Is that Apple's mission? Seems to me they're more interested in the consumer and creative professionals market, more than the enterprise market, despite adding Exchange support in Snow Leopard.

[Morky]

Leopard? Is there anyone still running that dinosaur?

[Shagrat]

Yeah. If you open up Terminal and type java -version it should say 1.6.0_15 which is this update.

Just updated, and java -version says:-

build 1.5.0_20-b02-315

so why am I still on 1.5xxxx? Do i have to install 1.6 000(whatever!) and update from there?

Or doesn't it actually matter too much?

[RaceTripper]

Just updated, and java -version says:-

build 1.5.0_20-b02-315

so why am I still on 1.5xxxx? Do i have to install 1.6 000(whatever!) and update from there?

Or doesn't it actually matter too much?To have Java 6 at all you either need to have a Core 2 Duo on Leopard, or be on Snow Leopard.

IOW: Core Duos only get Java 6 with Snow Leopard. PPC Macs don't get it at all.

Otherwise, bring up Java Preferences and see if it's there.

[BTGeekboy]

Is that Apple's mission? Seems to me they're more interested in the consumer and creative professionals market, more than the enterprise market, despite adding Exchange support in Snow Leopard.

I dunno. I'm just some schmuck on a Mac fan site. On the client side, the VPN and Exchange support seem to indicate that they're at least not completely ignoring it. And given that tools like Apple Remote Desktop make managing a large number of clients easily, the desire shows, even if it's only being marketed to enterprise customers via a more "grassroots" approach. In other words, they're enabling it, but not pushing it.

On the server side, however, internally here we've stayed away from the Xserve and Mac Pro-as-server choices. Frankly, you can get something so much more affordable, and longer supported, from Dell or HP. Sure, OS X server will be much easier to administer in a simple environment, but in a more complex one, it quickly loses its advantage.

[cherrytree]

Hi, can anyone help please?

I have download my latest software updates today to my macbook air (version 10.5.8) which i presume includes the latest update to Java.

I am trying to view bbc i player and it is saying i need to enable Java. Java is enable in my security settings can anyone suggest what i can do to get this working?

Would really appreciate your help

[Amdahl]

Is there even much profit to be had in going after a minority demographic so tight-fisted that they won't even upgrade their operating system? The support costs and market fragmentation can't be worth it. Better to piss them off; maybe they'll get the hint and go away.

Oh, I forgot: they are a vocal minority. That's why. ;)

The way I see it, they bought an overpriced computer, told how secure and safe it is, and then gett dropped with the sharks two years later, without so much as a "Sayonara."

And if they complain, they are told it is their fault for not paying more money. So they can get the same treatment again.


I just wish Apple were as honest and upfront about how Apple mistreats customers at the cash register as you are here.
:apple::apple::apple:

I still use Windows XP. I have no expectations for continued support.And yet you will have it until 2014. Apple can't give you two years, Microsoft will give you about seven, since XP went off retail sale.

[RaceTripper]

And yet you will have it until 2014. Apple can't give you two years, Microsoft will give you about seven, since XP went off retail sale.Seven years of suffering. Oh my. :eek:

I just replaced my MBP after 2 1/2 years. That cost me less than the Dell laptops I used to get. Why. because after 2 1/2 years the Dells were worthless and hopelessly unreliable. The MBP I just replaced sold on craigslist for $1200. That makes buying Apple about half as costly for me as buying Dell.

[celticpride678]

I got an error message saying it was unable to download. I simply tried again and it worked. :shrug:

Weird. Just an error saying it wasn't able to download? Nothing else? Anyways, good that you got it.

[Eric S.]

Not trying to flame

Yes you are.

[PurrBall]

Seven years of suffering. Oh my. :eek:

I just replaced my MBP after 2 1/2 years. That cost me less than the Dell laptops I used to get. Why. because after 2 1/2 years the Dells were worthless and hopelessly unreliable. The MBP I just replaced sold on craigslist for $1200. That makes buying Apple about half as costly for me as buying Dell.

More than 7 years. XP has been on sale since 2001, that makes it 13 years.

[Amdahl]

More than 7 years. XP has been on sale since 2001, that makes it 13 years.

That '7' may have been from me. I was referring to number of years support AFTER XP was dropped from retail sale. I believe Apple should step up and deliver five years from date of last retail sale. Less than two years should be an industry embarrassment.

[crzdmniac]

I just think it's crap that Java 6 was left out for the PPC users. So instead of using my eMac to update my movie jukebox I have to use my MBP. My hopes were high when I saw the update, but I was quickly let down.

[Winni]

OMG! Apple's still supporting 10.5 Leopard! I would've thought that Apple would've totally forgotten about it after it released Snow Leopard!

I hope this shows all those PPC users who whine about not being able to run Snow Leopard on their PPC computers will quiet them down a bit. While they might be able to run Snow Leopard, Apple still cares enough to make what they can run more stable. Not trying to flame, but all those complainers do get annoying after a while to be honest.

To be honest, fanboys also get annoying very quickly.

If you want to see how professional companies support their products, just take a look at Microsoft or IBM. If Apple wants to play in that league, they would have to support Mac OS X Cheetah until 2014. Yep, that's right: OS X 10.0 supported until 2014. Because that's how long Microsoft is going to support XP (which is about as old as Cheetah) although they have already released two successors to that system.

But Apple doesn't have to do that. Despite everything their marketing says, Apple does not play in the professional league (anymore), but only targets the consumer market where long term support doesn't matter.

[pohl]

If you want to see how professional companies support their products, just take a look at...

On the subject of annoyances, I'll take a swing at the use of the word "professional" to connote things above and beyond something being "of, relating to, or connected with a profession": pressed shirts with neckties, a firm handshake, standing around a conference table with coffee in hand working on a "vision statement", a pod of smiling, multiracial people pointing at a computer screen - making sure their website has a sufficient quantity of headset hotties (http://www.headsethotties.com/)...

Like it or not, Apple is a business - a successful one - and the people who comprise it are paid. While they may love what they do, they are certainly not doing it as a hobby. That is: they are a professional company. That word does not mean what you think it means, Vizzini.

The long-term support that you're describing is essential when selling to large businesses and bureaucracies. Microsoft and IBM, having deliberately chosen to play in that market, need to do it. I would wager that this sort of support headache is exactly what has been the disincentive for Apple to play in that sphere.

When I bought my Mac, I had already accepted that I'd still have to pay to keep current on system software, and that Apple would go out of their way to make sure that choosing not to would be an unpleasant alternative. Still I bought it and it has been well worth it. I can't help but think that anyone who would buy a Mac without having already internalized that part of the equation must have rode the short bus to school.

The fact that I bought a "very expensive car" does not release me from purchasing motor oil, and while you may (and probably will) quibble about that car analogy it is not at all unreasonable for Apple to refuse cater to customers who have made themselves de facto non-customers by not upgrading the operating system.

[Eric S.]

it is not at all unreasonable for Apple to refuse cater to customers who have made themselves de facto non-customers by not upgrading.

I still use my Power Mac G4 for many things and I don't see how that makes me a non-customer, de facto or otherwise. In recent years I have bought from Apple four new Mac laptops with AppleCare, various OS versions, three Apple routers, a Mighty Mouse, extra power supplies, and a slew of iPods and related accessories as well as numerous iTunes downloads. In fact it is exactly customers like me that I think Apple would want to continue to "cater to."

And regarding "not upgrading," I would have happily replaced the PM G4 by now with a newer midrange desktop system from Apple. Unfortunately Apple continues to stay out of that market.

[pohl]

I still use my Power Mac G4 for many things and I don't see how that makes me a non-customer, de facto or otherwise.

It doesn't. This thread has been about staying with Tiger with the availability of Leopard and Snow Leopard. My comment was on that subject. It wasn't about keeping old hardware. Fixed.

In recent years I have bought from Apple...various OS versions...

There you go.