Some Details on First Mac OS X 10.6.1 Seed (Build 10B503)

[MacRumors]

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World of Apple posts (http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/09/03/first-snow-leopard-update-hits-developers-seed-notes/) the seed notes from the first Mac OS X 10.6.1 Snow Leopard update that has begun seeding (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/03/apple-begins-seeding-mac-os-x-10-6-1-for-testing/) to a limited audience. The 71.5 MB update details these changes:The 10.6.1 Update is recommended for all users running Mac OS X Snow Leopard and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac, including fixes for:

- compatibility with some Sierra Wireless 3G modems
- an issue that might cause DVD playback to stop unexpectedly
- some printer compatibility drivers not appearing properly in the add printer browser
- an issue that might make it difficult to remove an item from the Dock
- instances where automatic account setup in Mail might not work
- an issue where pressing cmd-opt-t in Mail brings up the special characters menu instead of moving a message
- Motion 4 becoming unresponsive
Snow Leopard was officially launched (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/28/mac-os-x-snow-leopard-officially-launched-today/) on August 28th. Apple typically continues non-stop development after the initial launch of a major operating system to quickly address remaining bugs and outstanding issues.

Article Link: Some Details on First Mac OS X 10.6.1 Seed (Build 10B503) (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/03/some-details-on-first-mac-os-x-10-6-1-seed-build-10b503/)

[PurrBall]

No mention of graphics driver improvements :(

[macduke]

This has been a really smooth upgrade for everyone I know. Only problems I've had is with some Logitech mouse drivers not assigning Expose to additional buttons, but I found a workaround.

Also...remember to update your Flash back to the more secure version.

Hopefully it also fixes issues with graphics for Mac Mini users.

[BornAgainMac]

I noticed Spotlight doesn't bring up Apps unless I use it first by running it from the Applications folder the hard way first. Anyone else having this problem with Spotlight?

[primalman]

I noticed Spotlight doesn't bring up Apps unless I use it first by running it from the Applications folder the hard way first. Anyone else having this problem with Spotlight?

I did notice that. For me it seemed to show the apps first, then if I dropped down the Spotlight menu again the search removed the apps. Took opening the show in Finder command. Now seems to work.

:confused:

[Kilamite]

I guess Apple wouldn't admit to something like, "overall OS sluggishness" in the release notes.

But I hope they fix that.

Also, fix the responsiveness issue with the MacBook Pro's trackpad.

[pknz]

This has been a really smooth upgrade for everyone I know. Only problems I've had is with some Logitech mouse drivers not assigning Expose to additional buttons, but I found a workaround.

Also...remember to update your Flash back to the more secure version.

Hopefully it also fixes issues with graphics for Mac Mini users.

What is your work around for the Logitech mouse?

Thanks

[mfethers]

i'm having trouble connecting to a networked canon printer, so i hope this release fixes that issue. that's the only problem i've encountered, but unfortunately it's a huge issue. i may have to go back to 10.5 unless this gets resolved quickly.

[fef714]

My HP printer works like a charm. I have no issues, although I will say I have spotted that issue in Spotlight too.

[overanalyzer]

I haven't upgraded yet, and I figure I might as well try to resist temptation and wait for 10.6.1 to be released. I figure by then SL will be tweaked a little bit more and most third-party software issues will have updates with fixes. I can't believe how well-behaved I'm being. Usually I rush to install immediately. :)

[benlee]

i'm having trouble connecting to a networked canon printer, so i hope this release fixes that issue. that's the only problem i've encountered, but unfortunately it's a huge issue. i may have to go back to 10.5 unless this gets resolved quickly.

Same problem. Not a huge deal for me b/c its a networked printer i have access to at school.

[CristobalHuet]

I guess Apple wouldn't admit to something like, "overall OS sluggishness" in the release notes.


That's because they'd be lying to their customers. You can't admit to something that isn't there.

[zw-gator]

.1 came quick

I wouldn't be surprised if we're at .3 before the new year

[primalman]

I guess Apple wouldn't admit to something like, "overall OS sluggishness" in the release notes.

But I hope they fix that.

Also, fix the responsiveness issue with the MacBook Pro's trackpad.

My MBP trackpad is über responsive. No sluggish here at all, in fact, quite the opposite. Enjoy! :)

[arn]

Update: The new build updates Adobe Flash to 10.0.32.18, addressing a concern reported earlier today.

more notes for 10.6.1

- Network Diagnostics now offers to remove manually-entered DNS values for DHCP configurations
- Software Update for printer drivers of Bonjour/USB printers
- HICocoaView double-redraw during live resize
- Bluetooth connection to nearby printers on startup
- libdispatch object use after deallocation
- Sending of messages with Mail where the SMTP server response has no text
- Upgraded email accounts and SMTP servers that require authentication on port 587 but not port 25
- Printer custom keywords added/edited by auto setup tool are now migrated after software update
- Generic drivers are now visible in printer driver list
- WWAN devices that use the AppleWWANSupport2 component
- Updated to Flash 10.0.32.18

[jayducharme]

Gee, I'd just like an update that would stop all my programs from continually crashing. :mad:

[john32son]

i'm having trouble connecting to a networked canon printer, so i hope this release fixes that issue. that's the only problem i've encountered, but unfortunately it's a huge issue. i may have to go back to 10.5 unless this gets resolved quickly.

We are in the same boat.

[cult hero]

No mention of graphics driver improvements :(

I have a similar concern. The only issue I have is with the 9400M on my machine. The top half of the screen flickers black every now and again. It DOESN'T do it on my external monitor though.

I should turn on the 9600 (admittedly, I only use that when I boot into Windows for a couple games) and see if I get the same issue.

Anyone else experiencing anything like that? (Oct. 2008 Unibody MBP)

[shady825]

Sierra Wireless 3G modems!!!
YES!!!!!!
This is the only problem I've had since Snow Leopard.
Just today when removing the USB modem it gave the MacBook a kernal panic.
Hoping this will fix the issue.

[Eidorian]

No mention of browser issues. :(

[zacheryjensen]

I noticed Spotlight doesn't bring up Apps unless I use it first by running it from the Applications folder the hard way first. Anyone else having this problem with Spotlight?

Oh I have seen that in Leopard, it happens once in a while on my work laptop which cannot be upgraded to Snow Leopard. I doubt it's new, probably related to something that happens occasionally in Leopard but definitely happens in the Snow Leopard upgrade process maybe.

[daneoni]

Seems kinda like a...weak update but better than nothing

[zacheryjensen]

I guess Apple wouldn't admit to something like, "overall OS sluggishness" in the release notes.

But I hope they fix that.

Also, fix the responsiveness issue with the MacBook Pro's trackpad.

I don't have any of these issues. Maybe you have something else wrong, some app eating resources or an outdated firmware or something.

[atris]

No mention of graphics driver improvements :(
That's a shame. I was really hoping something would be done about that. Ever since I upgraded to Snow Leopard expose's animations have become choppy.

Has anyone else been having issues with services? My contextual menus offers far fewer services than my menu bar. Also the contextual menu doesn't show the pictures that are displayed in the menu bar either. It would really help to be able to quickly see which apps they're related too. Here's to hoping these things find their way into 10.6.2 :)

[cocky jeremy]

What is your work around for the Logitech mouse?

Thanks

Download the newest Control Center.. go into the folder.. view the package contents, go into resources.. install via Logitech Control Center.mpkg :apple:

[longofest]

something that was noted by Adobe (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/02/photoshop-cs3-and-cs4-snow-leopard-bugs-under-investigation/) that I've noticed in other applications (Numbers '08, Office 2004) is applications sometimes hanging when open/save dialogs are brought up. I'd really like this to be fixed in 10.6.1, as it has been the only issue for me, but a big one. It seems to happen most when backups are taking place to my time capsule.

[Eidorian]

something that was noted by Adobe (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/02/photoshop-cs3-and-cs4-snow-leopard-bugs-under-investigation/) that I've noticed in other applications (Numbers '08, Office 2004) is applications sometimes hanging when open/save dialogs are brought up. I'd really like this to be fixed in 10.6.1, as it has been the only issue for me, but a big one. It seems to happen most when backups are taking place to my time capsule.This is what is causing my browser issues. They only seem to lock when the Open File dialog is used.

Now I know more about it. Thanks!

[m85476585]

I hope they fix the Expose bug.

[charlituna]

i'm having trouble connecting to a networked canon printer, so i hope this release fixes that issue.


are you so sure that Snow Leopard is the issue. and it isn't that Canon, despite a year's warning, failed to update their drivers in a timely fashion

.1 came quick


standard practice. you can't test for every single issue since you can't replicate every one of the thousands of possible set ups. so you do the best you can and see what turns up as issues. address the biggies as quick as possible.

Update: The new build updates Adobe Flash to 10.0.32.18, addressing a concern reported earlier today.


had a feeling this issue was already underway

Seems kinda like a...weak update but better than nothing

common practice to release things as they are ready. and also to go in small steps to ensure that one batch is truly fixed before releasing the next

[coolfactor]

Gee, I'd just like an update that would stop all my programs from continually crashing. :mad:

Sounds to me like you need to remove something you may have installed. Try searching for corrupt fonts. Font Book can help with that. Try creating a fresh user account and see if the programs keep crashing. If that's the case, there's some corruption on your system that no software update will fix.

To counter your experience, I run weeks on end without any crashes.

[iphones4evry1]

The Adobe Crash Player has now been "bug fixed" to an Adobe Flash Player. :)

[alleycat]

something that was noted by Adobe (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/09/02/photoshop-cs3-and-cs4-snow-leopard-bugs-under-investigation/) that I've noticed in other applications (Numbers '08, Office 2004) is applications sometimes hanging when open/save dialogs are brought up. I'd really like this to be fixed in 10.6.1, as it has been the only issue for me, but a big one. It seems to happen most when backups are taking place to my time capsule.

LOL, you're lucky to even get Office 2004 opened. Mine hung on the beach ball of death.

But yea, I'm waiting until the save-open issues are cured as well. That was 90% of my problems with Snow Leopard.

[mfethers]

are you so sure that Snow Leopard is the issue. and it isn't that Canon, despite a year's warning, failed to update their drivers in a timely fashion


True. However, I downloaded the latest Canon drivers, but the Print Setup does open the standard dialog to open these networked printers as it did in Leopard. And either way, I have no ability to connect to 3 large printers at work. So, unless this gets resolved in the 10.6.1 update, I'm going to have to go back.

[PBF]

Will we finally be able to boot from disk images?

[avidmacuser]

No mention of browser issues. :(

perhaps that will be in the next 'browser' update?!

[Eidorian]

perhaps that will be in the next 'browser' update?!Well my browser issue is more of a Open/Save Dialog issue.

I knew it was related since it happened in every browser and only when using the Open/Save Dialog. My only issue after that was the failure of Spotlight to pick up on my comments. Reindexing didn't fix it. Upgrading instead of a clean install preserved them.

Without Spotlight I can't do anything.

[Amdahl]

.1 came quick

I wouldn't be surprised if we're at .3 before the new year

No, this isn't any faster than 10.5.1. Then 10.5.2 took 90 days, coming out about Feb 11.

[Cynicalone]

I haven't seen a lot of these issues.

I never installed the Watcher Program Sierra offers and didn't have a problem with Snow Leopard. The Sierra Watcher was bugging even in Leopard.

Updating Flash seems like a minor thing. The fact that it auto downgraded was the more interesting part of that story.

My only real issues with Snow Leopard is a lack of support on some of my Apps. I can't really blame Apple for any of those issues.

[mercuryguy]

looks like Apple rushed to release Snow Leopard (service pack) before Win 7

[AidenShaw]

are you so sure that Snow Leopard is the issue. and it isn't that Canon, despite a year's warning, failed to update their drivers in a timely fashion

And this "warning" was:

"Next year we're going to make incompatible changes to the Apple OS so that many of your perfectly functioning applications and drivers will fail. Please update your software now to avoid annoying your customers. Someday we'll send you most of the information that you need to do this.

Apple Gadget Company (formerly known as "Apple Computer")

Why do Apple users expect that 3rd party vendors should be constantly updating software for devices sold years ago, just because Apple can't do a compatible OS upgrade?

[puckhead193]

glad i waited a week to install SL, but the wait is killing me :cool:

[imfrog2002]

looks like Apple rushed to release Snow Leopard (service pack) before Win 7

Dude. Seriously. It's NOT A SERVICE PACK. Win7 is more of a service pack, IMO. It's just a Vista fix. Like 2000 to ME. SL is improving, not fixing. Get your terms straight. Either way, all new OSs have issues. Code changes which messes everything up. It happens EVERY time, on EVERY OS. Stop acting so surprised.

Either way, I just want the old Preview back. I can't merge PDF files now, and that's NOT good for someone who owns a small business. Oh well. I knew going into this there were going to be bugs. At least I was ready.

[SBik2]

for those having problems using their sierra wireless modems, call sierra @
1 877 231 1144

just say your carrier referred you to call and make sure to mention you are using snow leopard. they got mine back up and running. i forgot every single step they told me to do, but it did work.

[ki2594]

I'll be super mad if they don't fix the issue with the 4 finger swiping on the Macbook pro's not always working properly. i used that SO much when i first got this machine so it gets really annoying. i'm sure its something they can't ignore though, many people have had the problem :/

[AidenShaw]

Dude. Seriously. [10.6 is] NOT A SERVICE PACK. Win7 is more of a service pack, IMO. It's just a Vista fix.

You should really look at the changes in Windows 7 before making a comment like that...


Like 2000 to ME.

This comment is nonsensical - Windows 2000 and Windows ME are completely different operating systems, with completely different codebases.


SL is improving, not fixing.

A lot of the posts here seem to show that 10.6 is "breaking", not "improving" things.

[hwmillerster]

Now I downloaded the latest build of Sierra Watcher that activates the 881 modem. Running it on 10.5.8, it does seem smoother. Prior to that I had to do a restart to get it to connect to the nearest cell tower which is only a thousand yards from here every three or four logons. Now it is much more stable. Question, SierraWireless says the new build is compatible with SL. Has anyone tried it?
:confused:

[simonshek]

Dude. Seriously. It's NOT A SERVICE PACK. Win7 is more of a service pack, IMO. It's just a Vista fix. Like 2000 to ME. SL is improving, not fixing. Get your terms straight. Either way, all new OSs have issues. Code changes which messes everything up. It happens EVERY time, on EVERY OS. Stop acting so surprised.

Either way, I just want the old Preview back. I can't merge PDF files now, and that's NOT good for someone who owns a small business. Oh well. I knew going into this there were going to be bugs. At least I was ready."2000 to me" is bs. windows 98 -> me -> xp. windows nt 4.0 -> 2000.

for the preview in snow leopard, learn how to use the software before say it is a bug. I did add a page of pdf to another pdf file in preview or ...merge.

[jaw04005]

Like 2000 to ME.

That makes no sense. Maybe 98 to 98SE, 98SE to ME or 2000 to XP.

You should really look at the changes in Windows 7 before making a comment like that...

Exactly. Helpful link about all the changes and additional features in Windows 7.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7

[cubedweller]

I just want the update to fix my slow Spaces transitions.... All other animations work great except for Spaces! I really really really don't want to do a clean install to fix this issue assuming that it's not driver related... :rolleyes:

[JimmyLecroy21]

This has been a really smooth upgrade for everyone I know. Only problems I've had is with some Logitech mouse drivers not assigning Expose to additional buttons, but I found a workaround.

Also...remember to update your Flash back to the more secure version.

Hopefully it also fixes issues with graphics for Mac Mini users.


I know i have the same prob with my logictech mouse How do i do the workaround cause that what i used my expose. Its really annoying cause it would have been a perfect upgrade if my mouse drivers worked and my Photo booth worked to i dot know why its not work i even tried using the one in the app folder on my HDD

[i3iz]

i'm having trouble connecting to a networked canon printer, so i hope this release fixes that issue. that's the only problem i've encountered, but unfortunately it's a huge issue. i may have to go back to 10.5 unless this gets resolved quickly.

I am in the same boat. I have a Giant Color Laser Printer w/ a Fiery Color-pass rip. The lease is up in Dec. but it is only 5 years old. Unfortunately canon used appletalk to integrate the mac support. NO ONE TOLD ME APPLE REMOVED APPLETALK IN SL. Lame!!! At any rate, i am trying a work around using an imac running tiger, but the main issue is that even if it could see the printer, somehow SL wrecked the PPD. "Installed incorrectly" Hopefully this fixes this issue.

[KnightWRX]

"2000 to me" is bs. windows 98 -> me -> xp. windows nt 4.0 -> 2000.

And that is BS too. ME is the end of the line for the DOS-based line. XP is a follow up to 2000, since it uses the Windows NT codebase.

[percival504]

That's because they'd be lying to their customers. You can't admit to something that isn't there.

+1

[primalman]

And this "warning" was:



Why do Apple users expect that 3rd party vendors should be constantly updating software for devices sold years ago, just because Apple can't do a compatible OS upgrade?

Because this is the way it has been for 25+ years? Seriously, this is not uncommon, even for Apple. Happened in the classic Mac OS days, happened and happens in the Windows world. It's simply a part of what progress is.

[primalman]

looks like Apple rushed to release Snow Leopard (service pack) before Win 7

No feeding of the trolls :)

[ronin510]

I bought my 13" MacBook Pro less than a week ago. It came with a Snow Leopard drop in disc. I did a clean install and didn't really have much time playing with 10.5.x.

I've been experiencing Airport WiFi drops here and there. I've tried changing my router's SSID name from hidden, channel, and other settings. Does anyone know if this has anything to do with Snow Leopard or the MacBook Pro 13" in general? All other WiFi enabled computers/phones/ipods in the house don't seem to have a problem.

[ghostface147]

Sierra Wireless 3G modems!!!
YES!!!!!!
This is the only problem I've had since Snow Leopard.
Just today when removing the USB modem it gave the MacBook a kernal panic.
Hoping this will fix the issue.


The Company issued me a Sierra Wireless USB 598 modem (Sprint) and I haven't had any issues with SL since 10A380. Odd.

[primalman]

I'll be super mad if they don't fix the issue with the 4 finger swiping on the Macbook pro's not always working properly. i used that SO much when i first got this machine so it gets really annoying. i'm sure its something they can't ignore though, many people have had the problem :/

What issue is that? My 4-finger swipe is working super good.

[shady825]

for those having problems using their sierra wireless modems, call sierra @
1 877 231 1144

just say your carrier referred you to call and make sure to mention you are using snow leopard. they got mine back up and running. i forgot every single step they told me to do, but it did work.

What version of watcher are you running? Yours looks way newer than mine but I cant seem to find any updates. Im at 2.1.0

The Company issued me a Sierra Wireless USB 598 modem (Sprint) and I haven't had any issues with SL since 10A380. Odd.

Of course, I have crappy AT&T :rolleyes:

[commander.data]

Here's hoping for full OpenGL 3.0 support, expanded GPUs with official H.264 acceleration support, and expanded 64-bit kernel support for 9400M based MacBooks and Mac Minis. The latter should be fairly easy given the commonality between 9400M MacBooks and Mac Minis and supported 9400M iMacs. Official H.264 acceleration support for the nVidia 8000, 9000, GT100 and GTX285 series should also be fairly simple given existing 9400M support. And of course even ATI X1000 and nVidia 7000 series are capable of partial H.264 acceleration in hardware as is the case in Windows.

I wonder if 10.5.9 along with a final security update for Tiger will be released alongside 10.6.1? That was the case with 10.4.11 and the final security update for Panther shipping alongside 10.5.1.

EDIT: It'd be great to get 32-bit Java 1.5 on Snow Leopard too since there have been reported compatibility problems with Java 1.6 which is the only version available in Snow Leopard. Adding support should be fairly simple too, seeing that people have already found workarounds to install Leopard's Java 1.5 on Snow Leopard.

[Dany M]

Download the newest Control Center.. go into the folder.. view the package contents, go into resources.. install via Logitech Control Center.mpkg :apple:

I have the same issue but I'l wait, I'll just use the basic mouse preferences to get by

[percival504]

And this "warning" was:

Why do Apple users expect that 3rd party vendors should be constantly updating software for devices sold years ago, just because Apple can't do a compatible OS upgrade?


Whenever I come here to catch up on things I see your posts -- why are you here? Its like a guy who claims he doesn't care about his ex-girlfriend standing outside of her house telling other guys how horrible she is... Why doesn't he just move on if he really doesn't have any feelings for her. When people spend so much time on message boards blasting a brand or product, I always wonder whether they're driven by (1) love of a competing product, or, (2) "hatred" of the product they're insulting. I find most people that have this ardent hatred for Macs have other deep seated emotional problems. How about you -- do you have emotional problems?

[primalman]

Whenever I come here to catch up on things I see your posts -- why are you here? Its like a guy who claims he doesn't care about his ex-girlfriend standing outside of her house telling other guys how horrible she is... Why doesn't he just move on if he really doesn't have any feelings for her. When people spend so much time on message boards blasting a brand or product, I always wonder whether they're driven by (1) love of a competing product, or, (2) "hatred" of the product they're insulting. I find most people that have this ardent hatred for Macs have other deep seated emotional problems. How about you -- do you have emotional problems?

I totally laughed at this cause I agree!

[AidenShaw]

How about you -- do you have emotional problems?

No, but stay away from that ex-girlfriend - she has cooties!

[Eric S.]

.1 came quick

I wouldn't be surprised if we're at .3 before the new year

Doubt that extremely. First of all, it will be two or three weeks yet before 10.6.1 is released. Still pretty quick because they're aiming to knock off the most obvious bugs first. The second update will gather up a lot of little issues; expect that one around the end of the year.

[rth231]

How can they NOT fix the stupid Expose glitch, I know this is affecting alot of users. What gives Apple?

Quicktime Screen Recording > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOzTkkFTxY0

[puhsitch]

Either way, I just want the old Preview back. I can't merge PDF files now, and that's NOT good for someone who owns a small business. Oh well. I knew going into this there were going to be bugs. At least I was ready.
If you drag a second PDF file into the sidebar, it will combine the two if you bring the icon close enough to the thumbnails of the first PDF file. Otherwise, it will simply display the two files together while keeping them separate. Just keep an eye out for the outline box.

[TAPelicious.com]

Does anyone know a workaround for the Logitech mouse, that I can put expose or spaces on the additional buttons of the mouse??
Logitech Control Center run not anymore on Snow Leopard!! And who knows when the update from Logitech arrives! :(
Thank you!

[jaw04005]

Here's another glitch. For some reason, Safari will not remain in my Dock unless open. The Dock also won't allow the Safari icon to be rearranged.

It's driving me insane. And I clean installed on a MacBook Core 2 Duo (Late 2007).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Z208ybojc

[Eidorian]

Here's another glitch. For some reason, Safari will not remain in my Dock unless open. The Dock also won't allow the Safari icon to be rearranged.

It's driving me insane. And I clean installed on a MacBook Core 2 Duo (Late 2007).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Z208ybojcDid you migrate your user over in that clean install using Migration Assistant? What was it migrated off of if so?

[Peace]

Here's another glitch. For some reason, Safari will not remain in my Dock unless open. The Dock also won't allow the Safari icon to be rearranged.

It's driving me insane. And I clean installed on a MacBook Core 2 Duo (Late 2007).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Z208ybojc


With Safari closed navigate to the HD>Applications folder and drag the safari app to the dock.

From what I saw in your screen capture you didn't have Safari in the dock to begin with.

Try repairing permissions too.

[SBik2]

What version of watcher are you running? Yours looks way newer than mine but I cant seem to find any updates. Im at 2.1.0

im using a different program they have. they told me to try the 3g watcher and not regular watcher.


Of course, I have crappy AT&T :rolleyes:

am i the only one happy with at&t? whenever i have a problem, they fix it the first time and if not i get my issue escalated where they for sure fix it.

[Eric S.]

Does anyone know a workaround for the Logitech mouse, that I can put expose or spaces on the additional buttons of the mouse??
Logitech Control Center run not anymore on Snow Leopard!! And who knows when the update from Logitech arrives! :(
Thank you!

How about post #25 in this thread?

[Brien]

The only issue I'm having is cmd-tabbing sometimes doesn't work, or apps aren't shown in the overlay when I invoke the app switcher.

[TAPelicious.com]

How about post #25 in this thread?

Ohhh.... thank you. I have overlooked over this post! :(

[otis123]

YES! the sierra wireless modems is because of me i know it! i reported 3 kernel panics because of that stupid thing!!!! woohoo!

[trunkster]

Not smoothing fonts on 3rd party displays should be fixed as well. Just give us back the option of picking the type of font smoothing. Having to enable it with adding to the defaults through terminal is annoying and an average user wouldn't figure this out.

[leok]

Anyone else having a problem with iDVD. It repeatedly crashes when making the menus - I've tried reinstalling it from disc which helps - however if I allow software update to download the latest version it crashes again.

Wonder if it may be something to do with the codec downloads I have that allow it and quicktime to use avi files?

Nb I have the upgrade disc for SL rather than the shop-bought copy (the computer is only weeks old) so couldn't do clean install

thanks

(PS Have reported this on apple's forums and sent the many crash logs to apple as well)

[MorphingDragon]

For all you non-devs crying that this is a weak update. This is whats called a zero-day patch. Obvious bugs that were missed for various reasons. Its quite common in the Linux world, specially when there is a new distro or KDE update.

[Pierremaison]

I guess Apple wouldn't admit to something like, "overall OS sluggishness" in the release notes.

But I hope they fix that.

Also, fix the responsiveness issue with the MacBook Pro's trackpad.

I agree, my unibody pro is chugging along. Spinning beach balls everywhere, it also struggles to connect to my iDisc. It won't connect to a number of network printers, even though it tells me the driver is available on software update. Lots of other niggles like mail crashes when I attempt to access preferences. Everything was silky smooth under Leopard, this was a clean install by the way. Not impressed to be honest.

[Stike]

What about color calibration issues I am having... and the external display not being recognized at quite some times?

Also, there is a crash in the Finder during copying large/many files when you continue browsing files... I hope this list is incomplete!

[andy721]

Motion 4 becoming unresponsive my a$$ it works very well for me. WTF are they talking about lets do some real changes like fix the internal sound settings in System Preferences when you have optical hooked up and you want to turn the sound down on the internal sound so it's not so loud when you boot up.

But everytime I restart and restart again at a later time it goes back to all the way up on the internal sound setting to blasting loud full maxed out blow your brains out loud.

[Stridder44]

Update: The new build updates Adobe Flash to 10.0.32.18, addressing a concern reported earlier today.

And here everyone was being all whiny and complaining over nothing.


Dude. Seriously. It's NOT A SERVICE PACK. Win7 is more of a service pack, IMO. It's just a Vista fix. Like 2000 to ME. SL is improving, not fixing.

Hahaha are you kidding? Snow Leopard is Leopard II, just like Win7 is Vista II. If you take a minute and stop drinking the Apple kool-aid you'll know this. Win7 is improving as well, just like Snow Leopard. Here's something Mac fanboys don't want to hear (even though it's true): Windows 7 and Snow Leopard have a lot in common.

[Darkroom]

Snow Leopard is Leopard II, just like Win7 is Vista II. If you take a minute and stop drinking the Apple kool-aid you'll know this. Win7 is improving as well, just like Snow Leopard. Here's something Mac fanboys don't want to hear (even though it's true): Windows 7 and Snow Leopard have a lot in common.

+1

[alleycat]

And here everyone was being all whiny and complaining over nothing.




Hahaha are you kidding? Snow Leopard is Leopard II, just like Win7 is Vista II. If you take a minute and stop drinking the Apple kool-aid you'll know this. Win7 is improving as well, just like Snow Leopard. Here's something Mac fanboys don't want to hear (even though it's true): Windows 7 and Snow Leopard have a lot in common.

That frankly is a scary thought. LOL. Better keep your Windows XP discs handy. :D

[Lordedmond]

Here's something Mac fanboys don't want to hear (even though it's true): Windows 7 and Snow Leopard have a lot in common.

They have both done the same thing . They have slimmed / removed redundant code, and generally tidied up the code base , possibly to make way for a large future rework

the only difference is that W7 has a new coat ( sorry UI ) but they have reduced the apps eg no mail app in W7

BTW W7 64 bit on a 2009 iMac with 8 gig of ram is blazingly fast ( maybe a tad faster than SL ) :eek:

[Ivan P]

Nb I have the upgrade disc for SL rather than the shop-bought copy (the computer is only weeks old) so couldn't do clean install

Sure you can, absolutely no copies - regardless of it it's a retail or upgrade disc - actually gives an "Erase and Install" option when you run the installer, it's always set to just do an Archive & Install by default. This is how you do it:

- Make sure your system is backed up (something you should do anyway :p)
- Insert the Snow Leopard disc and then shut down the computer, do not run the installer.
- Boot up your computer and hold down "C" to boot from CD.
- Once the installer has loaded, do not continue it. In the menu bar, select Utilities and open Disk Utility. Select your Macintosh HD, then select the Erase tab. Erase it. Your HDD is now 'clean'.
- Quit Disk Utility, and you will be brought back to the installer. Now you can continue it and let it install. When it's done, you will have a 100% fresh install of Snow Leopard.

This has been confirmed to work on the upgrade discs, it's just been causing a lot of confusion because Apple has totally changed the way the installer works. Hope this helps :cool: :)

[Zygon Gambit]

i'm having trouble connecting to a networked canon printer, so i hope this release fixes that issue. that's the only problem i've encountered, but unfortunately it's a huge issue. i may have to go back to 10.5 unless this gets resolved quickly.
There's a thread in the OSX section that deals with this. It fixed my problem with my Canon networked printer (a 5200R over wireless).

[micko2004]

I find Snow Leopard ok at the moment apart from a problem with Top Sites zooming and waiting for some pages to load causes a blurring issue as show here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMZr7k-SHc

[justiny]

Hopefully, Apple will address the Front Row issues on the GMA 950 chipset.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2132473

[IronRoses]

you were too late!!

[Macmel]

Sure you can, absolutely no copies - regardless of it it's a retail or upgrade disc - actually gives an "Erase and Install" option when you run the installer, it's always set to just do an Archive & Install by default. This is how you do it:

- Make sure your system is backed up (something you should do anyway :p)
- Insert the Snow Leopard disc and then shut down the computer, do not run the installer.
- Boot up your computer and hold down "C" to boot from CD.
- Once the installer has loaded, do not continue it. In the menu bar, select Utilities and open Disk Utility. Select your Macintosh HD, then select the Erase tab. Erase it. Your HDD is now 'clean'.
- Quit Disk Utility, and you will be brought back to the installer. Now you can continue it and let it install. When it's done, you will have a 100% fresh install of Snow Leopard.

This has been confirmed to work on the upgrade discs, it's just been causing a lot of confusion because Apple has totally changed the way the installer works. Hope this helps :cool: :)

Really?. Because in previous versions you could choose from the "advanced options" or something like that, the erase and install option. I have done it for Tiger and Leopard and does exactly the same thing you are describing without going to Apps and Disc utility.

[Sambo110]

BTW W7 64 bit on a 2009 iMac with 8 gig of ram is blazingly fast ( maybe a tad faster than SL ) :eek:


For now. If it's anything like every other Windows computer I have used running XP, it will be going slower in a few weeks.

[ivan101]

my goodness, never experienced a systemupdate from apple that gave me more troubles than i had with the previous (10.5.8.) system. For the ten years i am using MacOS this is the first time i wished that i never updated all my macs. so i downgraded all of them but one, again.
Information about what programs, printers, plugins, errors wouldnt work, followed daysss after the sales of the new OS. They never mentioned that things wouldnt work anymore, it would be better they promised. Also the suppliers like HP, Canon and so on, where have they been with their testing and technical support the last months or weeks?? too busy with firing people or so?

Ivan

[gdhnz]

For the ten years i am using MacOS this is the first time i wished that i never updated all my macs. so i downgraded all of them but one, again. Information about what programs, printers, plugins, errors wouldnt work, followed daysss after the sales of the new OS. They never mentioned that things wouldnt work anymore, it would be better they promised. Also the suppliers like HP, Canon and so on, where have they been with their testing and technical support the last months or weeks?

More fool you for upgrading then without checking out the compatibility of all your applications. It's not as if that's Apple's job. Blame your app developers.

As for me, I couldn't be happier on my early 2008 MBP. All my major apps (Adobe CS 3, Office 2008, VMWare Fusion) work fine and performance is good.

[Sdancott]

I bought my 13" MacBook Pro less than a week ago. It came with a Snow Leopard drop in disc. I did a clean install and didn't really have much time playing with 10.5.x.

I've been experiencing Airport WiFi drops here and there. I've tried changing my router's SSID name from hidden, channel, and other settings. Does anyone know if this has anything to do with Snow Leopard or the MacBook Pro 13" in general? All other WiFi enabled computers/phones/ipods in the house don't seem to have a problem.

I'm in exactly the same boat - it's so frustrating. I have a 17" MBP running snow and a 13" MB running 10.5. There's no wireless problems whatsoever in Leopard. My 17" MBP loses airport connection at least 7/8 times a day. It's infuriating - really, really getting on my nerves. Hope they fix it soon.

[lwongveros]

Well I for one am happy with how smoothly my upgrade went on my unibody MB... Yes I've had to do several software updates to ensure SL compatibility (such as the Cisco VPN client), but everything is working fine, including my HP printer and scanning functionality.

My Mac Mini upgraded just as smoothly.

Now if only Vodafone could get their act in gear and release a new Mobile Connect application for their 3g modems...

[Manic Mouse]

I'm experiencing a strange bug where the system sounds (eg trash-can emptying etc) are set to zero. Took me ages to figure out why I wasn't getting a sound, but when I put it back up it randomly gets set to zero again. Have no idea what causes this either, it's really strange.

[dernhelm]

Well I for one am happy with how smoothly my upgrade went on my unibody MB... Yes I've had to do several software updates to ensure SL compatibility (such as the Cisco VPN client), but everything is working fine, including my HP printer and scanning functionality.

My Mac Mini upgraded just as smoothly.



My 3 yr old iMac upgraded smoothly as well. Lost scanner functionality on my HP PSC 2510, but then they told me in advance I would, so I have nothing to complain about.

It is FAR more responsive now than it ever was under Tiger or Leopard. Feels like a new computer.

[twoodcc]

i finally got my seed email for this. i think i'll wait a little before installing it though

[intutitiontold]

Ever since I installed Snow Leopard, my Pages 09 crash every time I try to open this particular document. The crashreport tell me:

Process: Pages [5091]
Path: /Applications/iWork '09/Pages.app/Contents/MacOS/Pages
Identifier: com.apple.iWork.Pages
Version: 4.0.2 (751)
Build Info: Pages-7510000~15
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [112]

PlugIn Path: /Library/Application Support/iWork '09/Frameworks/SFWordProcessing.framework/Versions/A/SFWordProcessing
PlugIn Identifier: SFWordProcessing
PlugIn Version: ??? (???)

Date/Time: 2009-09-04 13:00:59.538 +0200
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6 (10A432)
Report Version: 6

[...]

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000085498cd8
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

etc.

Supposedly it's the SFWordprocessing-plugin that's unwilling to cooperate. I've noticed that every other document seem to work just fine. But this crashing document, though, is significantly larger (almost 11 mb) than the others. But the very same document worked flawlessly on 10.5.8.

Has any one else experienced this? Does anyone know if this update will fix this?

Thank you

[thiagorariz]

my most desired feature in this update is the 64 bit kernel for 9400m based mini and macbook.

[macintoshtoffy]

No mention of graphics driver improvements :(

Considering this is the first seed - I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't more seeds to address issues.

looks like Apple rushed to release Snow Leopard (service pack) before Win 7

Am I the only one who wants people to be instantly banned if they make stupid posts - and knowingly do so simply to provoke a response?

RE: intutitiontold

Have you tried deleting the settings files an so forth? have you done a clean install?

[riws]

Still no 64bit for Intel GMA. New Kernel is absent too.

[illitrate23]

will it fix the issue i get where the iCal icon doesn't update to the current date anymore?
it's a small bug i've experienced since upgrading, but it's annoying all the same

[macffooky]

Here's hoping for full OpenGL 3.0 support, expanded GPUs with official H.264 acceleration support, and expanded 64-bit kernel support for 9400M based MacBooks and Mac Minis. The latter should be fairly easy given the commonality between 9400M MacBooks and Mac Minis and supported 9400M iMacs. Official H.264 acceleration support for the nVidia 8000, 9000, GT100 and GTX285 series should also be fairly simple given existing 9400M support. And of course even ATI X1000 and nVidia 7000 series are capable of partial H.264 acceleration in hardware as is the case in Windows.

Somehow I think Apple may drag their feet about enabling H.264 acceleration for 8600M GTs ;)

[*LTD*]

looks like Apple rushed to release Snow Leopard (service pack) before Win 7


http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars

Quite a "service pack."

[macintoshtoffy]

Still no 64bit for Intel GMA. New Kernel is absent too.

What new kernel? what 64bit GMA? do you actually READ what people write on this forum? did you actually READ the article that this it the FIRST seed - one of MANY seeds before it is released.

[Stridder44]

They have both done the same thing . They have slimmed / removed redundant code, and generally tidied up the code base , possibly to make way for a large future rework

the only difference is that W7 has a new coat ( sorry UI ) but they have reduced the apps eg no mail app in W7

BTW W7 64 bit on a 2009 iMac with 8 gig of ram is blazingly fast ( maybe a tad faster than SL ) :eek:

Windows Mail has been removed from the Windows 7 installation and now instead comes bundled with Windows Live Essentials (along with a bunch of other apps like Windows Movie Maker, etc.), which you download from Windows Update. Personally, I was THRILLED to hear about that.

Both Snow Leopard and Win7 are both fantastic OS's.

For now. If it's anything like every other Windows computer I have used running XP, it will be going slower in a few weeks.

XP being the key word in that sentence. :) That would be because XP is an old dinosaur of an OS.

[BoxOfSnoo]

Dude. Seriously. It's NOT A SERVICE PACK. Win7 is more of a service pack, IMO. It's just a Vista fix. Like 2000 to ME. SL is improving, not fixing. Get your terms straight. Either way, all new OSs have issues. Code changes which messes everything up. It happens EVERY time, on EVERY OS. Stop acting so surprised.


Just ignore the trolls... if they can't see the massive changes in the OS (go read the Ars Technica review), they're either (voluntarily) blind or ignorant. Either way, not worth getting worked up about.

Either way, I just want the old Preview back. I can't merge PDF files now, and that's NOT good for someone who owns a small business. Oh well. I knew going into this there were going to be bugs. At least I was ready.

What do you mean? Open the sidebar in thumbnail view, drag the pages from one to the other, and it still works as always (more animation, of course). Or was there another way I missed?

I'm super happy the "Watermark PDF" automator action works now...

[woolyback]

Annoyingly, I can't download anything via Safari since SL.

From a search it looks like I'm not the only one (which is good :p)

[Bubba Satori]

XP being the key word in that sentence. :) That would be because XP is an old dinosaur of an OS.

No, it's not. It's more stable than Vista pre-SP1, Leopard or Leopard SP1(SL).

[*LTD*]

No, it's not. It's more stable than Vista pre-SP1, Leopard or Leopard SP1(SL).

Not sure what you mean. Leopard SP1 was 10.5.1.

[tillathenun]

What is your work around for the Logitech mouse?

Thanks

If you drag Expose and Spaces from Applications>Utilities into Applications, you should find everything works fine.

Good luck!

[Michael73]

Anyone having issues related to putting their machines to Sleep, restarting them or shutting them down. Apple made a big deal that Snow Leopard was "faster from start up to shut down" but I've found just the opposite.

Specifically, on my MacPro I need to click :apple: > Sleep 2x before I can get the machine to go to sleep and the several times I've attempted restarts and shut downs the machine takes FOREVER! All the desktop items and top menu bar disappears and one of two things happen - either I get the gear just turning for 1-2 minutes before it finally shuts down OR my desktop background disappears and it changes to the blue screen with the gear that then turns for 1-2 minutes before shutting down.

[Macmel]

Doubt that extremely. First of all, it will be two or three weeks yet before 10.6.1 is released. Still pretty quick because they're aiming to knock off the most obvious bugs first. The second update will gather up a lot of little issues; expect that one around the end of the year.

But you have to consider that right now only the "geek squad" has upgraded. General public has not. So quite a few more bugs are expected to be discovered in the next couple of months. I don't think .3 will be released this year, but I do expect .2 in November to make it real smooth and leave the small bugs that will slowly/never be solved (Leopard is now in .8 and some people still claim they have some problems that were never solved).

[jaw04005]

Did you migrate your user over in that clean install using Migration Assistant? What was it migrated off of if so?

Nope.

With Safari closed navigate to the HD>Applications folder and drag the safari app to the dock.

From what I saw in your screen capture you didn't have Safari in the dock to begin with.

Try repairing permissions too.

Repairing permissions doesn't help, and your suggestion to drag Safari into the Dock before launching it doesn't work either as it just disappears before you have time to launch it.

I think this bug is related to MobileMe's dock syncing between 10.5 and 10.6 Macs because it's screwing them up also. However, you can still put Safari in the Dock on my other 10.5 Macs.

[knightlie]

No, it's not. It's more stable than Vista pre-SP1, Leopard or Leopard SP1(SL).

I love how the Microsofties have latched onto the term "Service Pack" in order to try and piss off Mac users. 10.5.1 was Leopard's "Service Pack" in the same way as Vista-SP1 was Vista's "Service Pack." But hey, if you want to piss people off instead of having a grown-up debate.... knock yourself out.

And only an imbecile would describe XP as more stable than Leopard. I have to reboot my works PC EVERY DAY because of Windows Explorer memory leaks, up to over a Gb this morning, Outlook freezes and who knows what else. And this is a fully patched and up to date installation. The idea of XP being more stable than anything other than a poorly-built kitchen table is laughable.

[CylonGlitch]

I love how the Microsofties have latched onto the term "Service Pack" in order to try and piss off Mac users. 10.5.1 was Leopard's "Service Pack" in the same way as Vista-SP1 was Vista's "Service Pack." But hey, if you want to piss people off instead of having a grown-up debate.... knock yourself out.

It's OK, the Vista SP3? (aka Windows 7) still isn't out... guess they are feeling left out.

[KnightWRX]

Not sure what you mean. Leopard SP1 was 10.5.1.

Don't feed the trolls. Seriously, by now, the Windows/Microsoft trolls are pretty obvious. They've been at it forever.

[BongoBanger]

I love how the Microsofties have latched onto the term "Service Pack" in order to try and piss off Mac users. 10.5.1 was Leopard's "Service Pack" in the same way as Vista-SP1 was Vista's "Service Pack." But hey, if you want to piss people off instead of having a grown-up debate.... knock yourself out.

Neither Snow Leopard or Windows 7 are service packs. I wish people would let that go. They're optimisations and rebuilds of the existing code - with a good few new things put in - as opposed to extensions of the existing code which is what an SP is.

And only an imbecile would describe XP as more stable than Leopard. I have to reboot my works PC EVERY DAY because of Windows Explorer memory leaks, up to over a Gb this morning, Outlook freezes and who knows what else.

Sorry, I don't buy that one. Our XP stations are pretty reliable. I mean I hate XP for other reasons but it's stable these days.

[*LTD*]

Neither Snow Leopard or Windows 7 are service packs. I wish people would let that go. They're optimisations and rebuilds of the existing code - with a good few new things put in - as opposed to extensions of the existing code which is what an SP is.



Sorry, I don't buy that one. Our XP stations are pretty reliable. I mean I hate XP for other reasons but it's stable these days.

An ancient OS stable after 8 years. I should hope so! ;)

[jazz1]

No mention of graphics driver improvements :(

Is there a mention of graphic driver updates in 10.6.1? My 3870 could use some Red Bull or something ;)

[wolfshades]

I noticed a major performance increase but now that the updated iStat menus (http://www.islayer.com/apps/istatmenus/) is out, I can see the major difference in CPU usage Snow Leopard made. Before, both processors were chunking away at almost capacity, and I couldn't figure out what was causing it - the list of apps didn't provide any real clues.

Since the update, CPU usage has quietened down considerable.

[riws]

Is there a mention of graphic driver updates in 10.6.1? My 3870 could use some Red Bull or something ;)
It has a new set of drivers.

ATI3800Controller 1.6.2.35 (7152)

[rlmccormick]

A problem occurred in SL last night that I have not seen since the original release of Leopard. I was *copying* photos (about 150 of them) from an SD card to my desktop and in the middle of the copy session I got an error saying that one of the files was in use. It was however not in use by any application. The copy process stopped after that. I was able to copy the file over if I simply copied just that file. The same thing happened later when copying another set of photos from my desktop to my NAS.

Like I said I saw the exact same thing in the .0 release of Leopard and I'm not sure how this bug got back into the code base.

Anyone else seen this?

[BoxOfSnoo]

Repairing permissions doesn't help, and your suggestion to drag Safari into the Dock before launching it doesn't work either as it just disappears before you have time to launch it.

I think this bug is related to MobileMe's dock syncing between 10.5 and 10.6 Macs because it's screwing them up also. However, you can still put Safari in the Dock on my other 10.5 Macs.

When you launch it, and it's in the dock, can you right-click and select "Options - Keep in dock"?

[Darth.Titan]

When you launch it, and it's in the dock, can you right-click and select "Options - Keep in dock"?

Watch the video capture he posted. He did that. I believe his issues are related to MobileMe's Dock syncing.

[jaw04005]

Watch the video capture he posted. He did that. I believe his issues are related to MobileMe's Dock syncing.

Turning off MobileMe sync still causes the same problem. I finally just put an alias to Safari on the desktop. I'll stay with that for the time being. Something is screwed up for sure.

[shady825]

YES! the sierra wireless modems is because of me i know it! i reported 3 kernel panics because of that stupid thing!!!! woohoo!

Were you getting them when removing the modem?
I have had that happen before SL but hopefully it gets fixed!

[Stridder44]

Neither Snow Leopard or Windows 7 are service packs. I wish people would let that go. They're optimisations and rebuilds of the existing code - with a good few new things put in - as opposed to extensions of the existing code which is what an SP is.


This should be posted at the beginning of every Snow Leopard vs Win 7 thread. Both are awesome OS's.

ANYWAY, let's try to stay on topic. 10.6.1 is seeded!

[WestonHarvey1]

So far this upgrade has been a miserable experience for me, nothing like the 10.4 to 10.5 transition.

I am really surprised by this after hearing for so long that Snow Leopard was focusing on performance improvements and shouldn't be introducing many new bugs.

I use my Mac for work, and upgrading last weekend in the middle of a project deadline was a stupid idea. Here's a small list of things that broke:

- F5 SSL VPN plugin stopped working in Safari
- MySQL server binary stopped working. Had to rebuild from sources.
- Developer tools are removed by install. After reinstalling from SL disk, some things are missing, like git. Had to build from sources.
- New bug: About once a day the menu bar will freeze and go spinning beachball when I mouseover. I don't know what process to kill for this, it's not Dock or Finder, so I've had to reboot. Spotlight has to re-index after rebooting in this condition.

Finding new things every day. I've never seen an upgrade just totally trash everything I was working on. I haven't even tried messing with the iPhone SDK and provisioning profiles after this upgrade and XCode re-install but I shudder to think what I'm going to find there.

[difrance001]

Gee, I'd just like an update that would stop all my programs from continually crashing. :mad:

Me too brother!! What the heck? Why are some saying no problem and yet some are having big issues???

[guzhogi]

A problem occurred in SL last night that I have not seen since the original release of Leopard. I was *copying* photos (about 150 of them) from an SD card to my desktop and in the middle of the copy session I got an error saying that one of the files was in use. It was however not in use by any application. The copy process stopped after that. I was able to copy the file over if I simply copied just that file. The same thing happened later when copying another set of photos from my desktop to my NAS.

Like I said I saw the exact same thing in the .0 release of Leopard and I'm not sure how this bug got back into the code base.

Anyone else seen this?

I get that or similar problems, too. I wish Apple would make it so if an individual file has a problem, it'll keep copying everything else. When done or whatever, give a list of files that weren't copied & for what reason.

Also, I would like a smart copy function. If I'm copying a file somewhere that has a file w/ the same name. If it's the same file (just updated), use the updated version. If it's a different file, copy the file with a different name like "filename-1.[extension]". I'm just tired of the "There's a file with the same name & extension. Do you want to replace, skip or cancel?" messages. Also, have an option copy the file the way it is now, just in case.

[star-fish]

Also, I would like a smart copy function. If I'm copying a file somewhere that has a file w/ the same name. If it's the same file (just updated), use the updated version. If it's a different file, copy the file with a different name like "filename-1.[extension]". I'm just tired of the "There's a file with the same name & extension. Do you want to replace, skip or cancel?" messages. Also, have an option copy the file the way it is now, just in case.

That's a terrible idea on so many levels.

[Master Chief]

Anyone having issues related to putting their machines to Sleep, restarting them or shutting them down. Apple made a big deal that Snow Leopard was "faster from start up to shut down" but I've found just the opposite.

Specifically, on my MacPro I need to click :apple: > Sleep 2x before I can get the machine to go to sleep and the several times I've attempted restarts and shut downs the machine takes FOREVER! All the desktop items and top menu bar disappears and one of two things happen - either I get the gear just turning for 1-2 minutes before it finally shuts down OR my desktop background disappears and it changes to the blue screen with the gear that then turns for 1-2 minutes before shutting down.
I wonder if a sudo shutdown now works for you, and if you tried to logout first, and then to shutdown or reboot from the login window.

[Daijin]

I would be happy with a fix for black screens in screen sharing, that being the most used leopard feature for me.

[WestonHarvey1]

Me too brother!! What the heck? Why are some saying no problem and yet some are having big issues???

A lot of these perceptions are domain specific. If you're a graphics guy and all your tools are working, you're probably going to say everything's fine. If you're a developer, it was a bad weekend for a lot of people.

The email and web browsing crowd didn't get off scott free either. My friend's wifi on his iMac stopped working, and Pages started displaying all text as invisible.

Another thing I've noticed - anyone else having an issue with every application asking for keychain access every time you reboot? Maybe that's some new security setting I don't know about now, but I have to give everything permission over and over again. It's like those Get a Mac adds making fun of UAC.

[ungraphic]

How about some proper OpenCL support for my ATI 3870 in 10.6.1?

[Jayomat]

although i'll definitely stick with leopard untill i buy a new macbook, it is good to see that apple takes care of the occuring problems ;)

[Bjohnson33]

I hadn't realized there were so many problems people were having with Snow Leopard! I'm sure 10.6.1 will address many of these. Let's hope it comes sooner rather than later!

[Master Chief]

Disk Utility: There appears to be some sort of incompatibility with previous Leopard versions in Disk Utility because I cannot check/repair permissions on two of my hard drives with Leopard 10.5.7 and 10.5.8 installed on it (the buttons for it are disabled/grayed out).

And starting up from a Leopard drive, and then trying to check/repair permissions results in another mandatory run of Disk Utility in Snow Leopard, because it doesn't seem to do good work there.

Time Machine: Trying to backup a Leopard drive in Snow Leopard results in a 100% reproducible kernel panic.

[JavaWizKid]

When I take a screenshot of just the menu bar, only the menu displays and nothing on the right hand side like spotlight etc

[Bubba Satori]

Not sure what you mean. Leopard SP1 was 10.5.1.

10.6 is Leopard service pack one. In Apple's own words SL is about "speed and stability" and few new features. A service pack. In the same way W7 is service pack 3 for Vista. Microsoft and Apple should be ashamed of themselves for calling W7 and SL new OS's, they aren't.

[kieMac]

10.6 is Leopard service pack one. In Apple's own words SL is about "speed and stability" and few new features. A service pack. In the same way W7 is service pack 3 for Vista. Microsoft and Apple should be ashamed of themselves for calling W7 and SL new OS's, they aren't.


Hi Bubba Satori,

I understand your frustration with the lack of real feature advancement in Mac OS X Snow Leopard. I know that we spent time and money upgrading our computers from Leopard or Tiger and it might be nice to see some more obvious changes.

I assure you, though, that Mac OS X Snow Leopard is a totally different Leopard. Windows Service Packs tend to be rollouts of pieces of improved code for known bugs, where Mac OS X Snow Leopard is literally a completely new way for applications to talk to the hardware of your computer, and for users to interface with their computer. Although Snow Leopard does not change the graphical way that we do this in many ways, it makes non-user facing changes. Everyday Applications like the Finder change programming types completely, and applications that were once 32-bit are now 64-bit. This is far beyond the scope of a service pack. The ArsTechnica review of Snow Leopard by John Siracusa is a great read to see what has changed.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars

I have not researched what changes Windows 7 brings to the Vista platform, so I won't comment on whether that is closer to a Service Pack than an independent operating system.

[JackieTreehorn]

A problem occurred in SL last night that I have not seen since the original release of Leopard. I was *copying* photos (about 150 of them) from an SD card to my desktop and in the middle of the copy session I got an error saying that one of the files was in use. It was however not in use by any application. The copy process stopped after that. I was able to copy the file over if I simply copied just that file. The same thing happened later when copying another set of photos from my desktop to my NAS.

Like I said I saw the exact same thing in the .0 release of Leopard and I'm not sure how this bug got back into the code base.

Anyone else seen this?

Got a similar problem. When I drag files to my desktop, sent them with Mail, delete this files from desktop to trash and then try to empty the trash, OSX keeps telling me that file is in use, even though it could have been send an hour ago.

[BongoBanger]

An ancient OS stable after 8 years. I should hope so! ;)

Indeed. It was not always so.

[Les Kern]

FIX iDisk response times! It takes 3 minutes to upload a 25k file. Almost unusable under Snow Leopard.

[*LTD*]

Indeed. It was not always so.

I will admit though, that for what it was, XP really came into its own around SP3.


FIX iDisk response times! It takes 3 minutes to upload a 25k file. Almost unusable under Snow Leopard.

iDisk is fine on my end. It's either your connection, or you'll need to sign out of iDisk and then re-enable it.

Just visit Apple's site, sign on to Live Chat for MobileMe and talk to a rep. I've used the service before and it cleared up a similar issue I had about a year ago.

[avidmacuser]

glad i waited a week to install SL, but the wait is killing me :cool:

good opportunity to practice patience.;)

[salesguy]

I updated to the current version of flash and I have been getting the beach ball of death on espn.com when trying to views videos and other sites as well. Same thing happens with gifs on forums, I have to force quit and start over. :mad:

[ppnkg]

That's because they'd be lying to their customers. You can't admit to something that isn't there.

LOL! +1

But a release of the SL .1 sometime very soon wouldn't be bad :)

[primalman]

FIX iDisk response times! It takes 3 minutes to upload a 25k file. Almost unusable under Snow Leopard.

I have found iDisk to be glacial for a while now, this is not a SL issue, IMO.

[WeegieMac]

Well, despite a fair bit of moaning in this thread, since upgrading to Snow Leopard on August 29th, my 2.4GHz iMac has been running faster than it did on Leopard and everything I need, application wise, works fine and as it did before.

No problems here whatsoever.

[shawnce]

Well, despite a fair bit of moaning in this thread, since upgrading to Snow Leopard on August 29th, my 2.4GHz iMac has been running faster than it did on Leopard and everything I need, application wise, works fine and as it did before. This is true for a vast majority of people... you just hear more from those with problems. In general the problems are often of their own creation by using "plugins" to applications that don't support plugins, installing haxies, upgrading without verifying the 3rd party hardware they have is compatible, forcing the system to run with a 64b kernel for no good reason, etc.

[the vj]

Do not get Snow Leopard yet, it will come full of bugs, wait for at least 6 months.

I open a thread about it and a bunch of loosers were upset of the warning and now they are complaining of the problemas they are facing.

Just WAIT!

[LazersGoPEWPEW]

Is anyone else having problems in illustrator? I had problems resizing text and then it would just crash. Really put a damper on my projects.

[andy721]

Do not get Snow Leopard yet, it will come full of bugs, wait for at least 6 months.

I open a thread about it and a bunch of loosers were upset of the warning and now they are complaining of the problemas they are facing.

Just WAIT!

The bugs aren't so bad, most can't wait to get something new such as an operating system from Apple.

[andy721]

Is anyone else having problems in illustrator? I had problems resizing text and then it would just crash. Really put a damper on my projects.

That's Adobes fault they knew SL was coming out they had time to get updates and yet didn't fix your issue? **********.:mad:

[matthewls]

Here's another glitch. For some reason, Safari will not remain in my Dock unless open. The Dock also won't allow the Safari icon to be rearranged.

It's driving me insane. And I clean installed on a MacBook Core 2 Duo (Late 2007).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Z208ybojc

I removed and then reinstalled the Safari icon on the dock and it is now moveable.

[*LTD*]

And yet . . .


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10345768-37.html


Snow Leopard Apple's most compatible release ever

Mac OS X Snow Leopard has been available for one week, and for the most part, users are reporting very few problems upgrading.

While not everyone is thrilled with the way Apple handled the release, it turns out that Snow Leopard is Apple's most compatible operating system release ever. According to sources familiar with Snow Leopard's internal testing process, Apple kept an enormous amount of statistics on third-party application compatibility.

They said that Apple not only tracked many of the most widely-used apps, they tracked many of the shareware apps, as well. If an application exhibited problems, the developers were notified of the incompatibility and were offered help to make it Snow Leopard-compliant.

It's true that Apple did not offer a public beta of Snow Leopard, but it did expand the seed program with this release. Some large and small businesses, as well as individuals were included in the beta program for Snow Leopard. Of course, developers have access to the code through Apple's Developer Program, to test their apps through the entire process.
Apple began working with developers in June 2008, according to my source. This gave developers the maximum amount of time to check their apps against the new operating system.

While complete data was not available for this story, anecdotal evidence suggests that upgrade problems with Snow Leopard are not widespread.
That's not to say there aren't problems. CNET's Rafe Needleman found several apps that didn't work with the new operating system. Apple also posted a list of incompatible software on its support Web site.
BusinessWeek's Stephen Wildstrom feels that the compatibility problems with Snow Leopard are "widespread but not pervasive."

Wildstrom says that Apple should have done three things differently: it should have released a public beta; it should have provided a pre-upgrade compatibility checker; and he feels developers weren't given enough time with the finished code.

[Eidorian]

*LTD* I don't think anyone be able to do enough damage control. My brother was complaining about upgrading to Snow Leopard today since his printer was still not working. No matter what drivers you install for the HP PSC 1401 it won't work under Snow Leopard. This is only compounded by the fact that Software Update wasn't getting the drivers either. I tried the Snow Leopard disc and downloaded the massive driver package as well. He had to come over to my place an use the guest iMac G4 running Tiger to print something off. I was lucky to convince him to get it since it was $29. He can't tell the difference from Leopard besides his printer doesn't work anymore and that's all that matters to him.

I'm having my own issues as well even using a clean install. I'm pretty much forcing myself to run my upgraded version of Snow Leopard. It's tough when your browsers keep crashing.

[*LTD*]

*LTD* I don't think anyone be able to do enough damage control.

Don't really need to. The vast majority seem just fine with SL.

The only real issues are a few apps that don't work, and some printer driver issues. Incidentally, FWIW, all my apps work and my printer was recognized automatically. In fact, I even received an HP driver update via the Software Update around two hours ago. So you've provided one bit of anecdotal info, and I've provided another.

Don't use MacRumors or AI as your measure. Just scan the general news and get a feel for the ebb and flow of opinion. For the most part, things are alright.

[Eidorian]

Don't really need to. The vast majority seem just fine with SL.

The only real issues are a few apps that don't work, and some printer driver issues. Incidentally, FWIW, all my apps work and my printer was recognized automatically. In fact, I even received an HP driver update via the Software Update around two hours ago. So you've provided one bit of anecdotal info, and I've provided another.

Don't use MacRumors or AI as your measure. Just scan the general news and get a feel for the ebb and flow of opinion. For the most part, things are alright.I'm getting a disaster area to complete yawnfest. I had a few people bugging me about yet another Snow Leopard must be Vista if I'm seeing this many "problem/complaint" threads on other boards. I spent an hour trying to get that printer to work too with no luck. I'm about to give up on Snow Leopard in this state. I'm tired of trying to do damage control and defend it when it doesn't work for me either.

It's rather aggravating going from a working printer in Leopard to being completely unable to get it to work in Snow Leopard no matter what you do short of upgrading back to Leopard. Yes, at this point I consider Leopard an upgrade. It's that bad in the trenches I've been in.

I wonder why I'm running Snow Leopard to be honest. I'm using Windows 7 because at least it doesn't have browser crashes when trying to use the Open File dialog.

[*LTD*]

I wonder why I'm running Snow Leopard to be honest. I'm using Windows 7 because at least it doesn't have browser crashes when trying to use the Open File dialog.

See, I don't get that. In fact, nothing at all has crashed since I installed SL. Nothing has hung, nothing has frozen.

There was that little RAID drive issue, but I think I might have hosed them beforehand by mucking around in Disk Utility in Leopard.

So either the public blind, deaf and dumb, or they're simply not finding a helluva lot to complain about. As for the complaints on the Apple fansites, all I know is that the opinions here have never really been a reflection of Apple's market at large.

Why not just go back to Leopard for the time being? If you can still run Leopard I don't know why you'd run Windows 7 instead.

[Eidorian]

See, I don't get that. In fact, nothing at all has crashed since I installed SL. Nothing has hung, nothing has frozen.

There was that little RAID drive issue, but I think I might have hosed them beforehand by mucking around in Disk Utility in Leopard.

So either the public blind, deaf and dumb, or they're simply not finding a helluva lot to complain about. As for the complaints on the Apple fansites, all I know is that the opinions here have never really been a reflection of Apple's market at large.

Why not just go back to Leopard for the time being? If you can still run Leopard I don't know why you'd run Windows 7 instead.I'll just avoid OS X for the time being until the issues are addressed. I don't feel like spending the 90 minutes needed to restore my machine back to Leopard or clean install Leopard and migrate my new user state since I've made plenty of changes since Snow Leopard was installed. Not to mention the Time Machine backup after that.

I'm still having people run to me for help on other boards because of how knowledgeable I am on Macs and OS X. It's getting tiresome.

The media in general isn't terribly impressed with Snow Leopard. It's nothing to talk about. There's plenty of other hardware and software news right now that's much more incredibly interesting than hearing the moans about Snow Leopard.

[Chundles]

Zero issues with Snow Leopard on my machine.

No browser crashing in the Open File dialogue, no app compatibility issues, she's working very very well.

[KnightWRX]

I'm still on Leopard. I learned a long time ago not to upgrade on day 1.

But who uses File Open dialog in a browser anyhow ? The address bar is much faster and can be used to open local files using the file:// "protocol".

[Eidorian]

I'm still on Leopard. I learned a long time ago not to upgrade on day 1.

But who uses File Open dialog in a browser anyhow ? The address bar is much faster and can be used to open local files using the file:// "protocol".How are you going to select files to upload? :confused:

[toolbox]

Is anyone else having problems in illustrator? I had problems resizing text and then it would just crash. Really put a damper on my projects.

Nope i ain't but i am having problems with VMware fusion - it will not work when the unit is booted with the 64 bit kernel extensions. I have now had to sign up for the beta program to test there version compatible for those running the 64 bit kernel extensions.

So far i have had 1 kernel panic running the software, other then that everything seems to be running nicely.

[*LTD*]

I'll just avoid OS X for the time being until the issues are addressed. I don't feel like spending the 90 minutes needed to restore my machine back to Leopard or clean install Leopard and migrate my new user state since I've made plenty of changes since Snow Leopard was installed. Not to mention the Time Machine backup after that.

I'm still having people run to me for help on other boards because of how knowledgeable I am on Macs and OS X. It's getting tiresome.

The media in general isn't terribly impressed with Snow Leopard. It's nothing to talk about. There's plenty of other hardware and software news right now that's much more incredibly interesting than hearing the moans about Snow Leopard.

As far as SL being a less-exciting release, I can certainly agree with you.

I do like the Exposé refinements, though. Especially the icon previews/ability to play files just from the icon itself. Not terribly useful, but a nice touch.

[KnightWRX]

How are you going to select files to upload? :confused:

Type the path into the file selection field instead of hitting the browse button ? Again... much faster to copy paste the path than to click through the darn open file dialog (those things have been crap forever in any OS).

[Eidorian]

Type the path into the file selection field instead of hitting the browse button ? Again... much faster to copy paste the path than to click through the darn open file dialog (those things have been crap forever in any OS).File path? I use Spotlight comment tags. :rolleyes:

I know where the files are but I'd have to rename all of them and even then it's a few thousand different ones. I thought spotlight tagging everything was hard enough the first time. Believe me I've done it more than once.

[vansouza]

...

It's rather aggravating going from a working printer in Leopard to being completely unable to get it to work in Snow Leopard no matter what you do short of upgrading back to Leopard. Yes, at this point I consider Leopard an upgrade. It's that bad in the trenches I've been in.

...

Good Lord, call Apple support already.

[Eidorian]

Good Lord, call Apple support already.What are they going to have me do? Move back to Leopard for now? :D

The printer driver download service is still down like it was yesterday (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=778114). Software Update just tells me to try again later, still. Installing all of the printer drivers from the Snow Leopard DVD does nothing. kextd took an eternity as well.

[Sehnsucht]

Printer issues = 0
Time Machine backup issues = 0
Graphical glitches/bugs = 0
Sluggish performance = no
Slow boot time = no
Third party driver issues = 1

Am I the only one??? :eek:

My Sony MSAC-EX1 ExpressCard adapter was causing kernel panics, and I think I just discovered why...its specifications page on Sony's website lists 10.4, but not later...it's most definitely a 32-bit Tiger driver issue or something. Oh well, nothing major.

[ungraphic]

I installed Snow Leopard after formatting the drive on my dads MacBook Core 2 Duo 2ghz with the Intel GMA X3100 and 1gb of RAM.

I've noticed most things run about the same as on Leopard, but when opening finder windows, theres LAG. As is some thats noticeable with resizing windows and such. Thats surprising, because The Finder was supposed to be one of the most tweaked applications in OS X 10.6

What grinds my gears is that now its a bit of a slower experience going through folders and all. I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM from 1gb to 2gb on his machine. Would it speed things up? I know the main memory is shared with the graphics card. I've noticed that when nothing is running theres about 300mb of available ram, but when a couple apps load, theres very little left (about 10-50mb).

I'm a little underwhelmed by Snow Leopard, to be honest. Only good thing is, is that it takes up far less space and has a few long overdue features (signal strength in airport menu from main menu) and sliders that increase/decrease icon size in the finder.

[DMann]

Whenever I come here to catch up on things I see your posts -- why are you here? Its like a guy who claims he doesn't care about his ex-girlfriend standing outside of her house telling other guys how horrible she is... Why doesn't he just move on if he really doesn't have any feelings for her. When people spend so much time on message boards blasting a brand or product, I always wonder whether they're driven by (1) love of a competing product, or, (2) "hatred" of the product they're insulting. I find most people that have this ardent hatred for Macs have other deep seated emotional problems. How about you -- do you have emotional problems?To surmise that he has deep seated emotional problems would only be making a benevolent understatement, although, well sized up nonetheless.


In reference to HP printers, I've interfaced/networked all of mine by entering the printers' IP addresses into Protocol: HP Jetdirect - Socket. (Add Printer)
Also, no Spotlight problems since eliminating 3rd party mdimporters from Library/Spotlight - everything is working fluidly on all machines.

[CQd44]

I installed Snow Leopard after formatting the drive on my dads MacBook Core 2 Duo 2ghz with the Intel GMA X3100 and 1gb of RAM.

I've noticed most things run about the same as on Leopard, but when opening finder windows, theres LAG. As is some thats noticeable with resizing windows and such. Thats surprising, because The Finder was supposed to be one of the most tweaked applications in OS X 10.6

What grinds my gears is that now its a bit of a slower experience going through folders and all. I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM from 1gb to 2gb on his machine. Would it speed things up? I know the main memory is shared with the graphics card. I've noticed that when nothing is running theres about 300mb of available ram, but when a couple apps load, theres very little left (about 10-50mb).

I'm a little underwhelmed by Snow Leopard, to be honest. Only good thing is, is that it takes up far less space and has a few long overdue features (signal strength in airport menu from main menu) and sliders that increase/decrease icon size in the finder.

Yes, adding more ram would work wonders. That might be why you're underwhelmed. Two gigs should be fine.

[gdhnz]

How are you going to select files to upload? :confused:

You drag the file you want on to the file upload field. Why are you messing about with the dialog window?

[Eidorian]

You drag the file you want on to the file upload field. Why are you messing about with the dialog window?I think Apple has done enough disrupting my workflow with their changes since Tiger. It has been downhill since then but I'm too invested in it. :rolleyes:

I appreciate your attempts at help for this Open file dialog problem but none of your advice is going to work. I can't even drag the file into the upload field. It has to be selected using said dialog.

To be honest I might just go back to Leopard and be stuck there forever. Snow Leopard's changes to Finder and Spotlight searching might be enough. It was bad enough adjusting from Tiger but this is worse.

Coverflow and Quick Look have provided some pathetic replacements to what I could do in Tiger. The workflow workarounds leave me asking why Apple did it in the first place.

Protip: I don't like using Tiger besides the fact Spotlight Show All worked right back then.

Can you get the default Spotlight behavior to always sort by kind? I really need that. If someone could tell me how to do that in Leopard I'd really appreciate that.

Edit: One last thing. Why did Apple kill the Columns view while doing a Spotlight search?

[colourfastt]

I have found iDisk to be glacial for a while now, this is not a SL issue, IMO.

Glacial doesn't begin to describe it .. more like ice age.
To get around it I sync'd my iDisk on my desktop .. I work on the files from the desktop icon and let the computer sync with the cloud at its leisure.

[charlituna]

NO ONE TOLD ME APPLE REMOVED APPLETALK IN SL. Lame!!! At any rate,


actually telling you is beside the point. Telling Canon is the issue. And you can bet that they did, via the information developers could access for the last year. So the issue isn't Apple, but in fact Canon not getting it together and updating their drivers in a timely fashion. Even if they argued that they were working off a release date of Sept they should have had it ready by Sept 1 which means less than a week of not being able to use the printer.

[macguy4ever]

This question goes for the people who did not have problems with their update

Because it is important issue before upgrading to SL

[ivan101]

the dropping of wireless signals have been a problem since 10.4.8. after that updates improved it, and worsened it. each update you hope it remains good, but looks like to depend on what type of macbook (sometimes/often they use cheap sjit in the macbooks.
ivan


I bought my 13" MacBook Pro less than a week ago. It came with a Snow Leopard drop in disc. I did a clean install and didn't really have much time playing with 10.5.x.

I've been experiencing Airport WiFi drops here and there. I've tried changing my router's SSID name from hidden, channel, and other settings. Does anyone know if this has anything to do with Snow Leopard or the MacBook Pro 13" in general? All other WiFi enabled computers/phones/ipods in the house don't seem to have a problem.

[Lesser Evets]

Printer issues = 0
Time Machine backup issues = 0
Graphical glitches/bugs = 0
Sluggish performance = no
Slow boot time = no
Third party driver issues = 1

Am I the only one??? YES

HP print drivers sucked, but they seem to work ok for me.

This morning I woke up to an annoying mail problem where all the junk mail is recovered for a week and put BACK into the mail box. No matter what I do to delete them, they jump back into the mail box again, as if they are new. -_-; WTF.

Photoshop is still crashing whenever it wants (CS3), as is most of the suite.

DVD Player is smoothing out as well as VLC, but they are buggy.

My computer just ditched on me a few days ago, for no particular reason. Permissions and Disk repair produced nothing. Everything fine.

I can't wait for more stable versions of this OS.

[slackpacker]

Do not get Snow Leopard yet, it will come full of bugs, wait for at least 6 months.

I open a thread about it and a bunch of loosers were upset of the warning and now they are complaining of the problemas they are facing.

Just WAIT!

Works fine for me.... and it will work fine for most. but there is no reason to upgrade.. unless you actually want to be able to run the apps that will require SL. Your best bet is to Upgrade but before you do keep a Superduper backup that is bootable. Macs can do this. Use your Brain we are not running windows!

[*LTD*]

Coverflow and Quick Look have provided some pathetic replacements to what I could do in Tiger. The workflow workarounds leave me asking why Apple did it in the first place.

Can you get the default Spotlight behavior to always sort by kind? I really need that. If someone could tell me how to do that in Leopard I'd really appreciate that.

Edit: One last thing. Why did Apple kill the Columns view while doing a Spotlight search?

1) Quicklook is absolute genius. How does it not help you? Coverflow, I have to agree with you there. Looks pretty, but rather gimmicky.

2) Spotlight sorts by kind (when searching from the Spotlight button.) If you click "show all", you'll get the results in the Finder. As for the use of Spotlight from the Finder, there are limitations, as you said. I too, would like a bit more flexibility here. Spotlight does sort by kind in the Finder window, but you'll need to use List view and click on Kind. So yes, it's not default, unless you've specified List view for that window or for all windows in the first place.

3) Column view for Spotlight results. Was this selectable in Tiger (I don't recall)? If so, I'm in agreement wih you here as well.

Again, Quicklook seems to be a pretty significant leap in file handling/interaction. I've got it set to the space bar and it works brilliantly.

[slackpacker]

1) Quicklook is absolute genius. How does it not help you? Coverflow, I have to agree with you there. Looks pretty, but rather gimmicky.

2) Spotlight sorts by kind (when searching from the Spotlight button.) If you click "show all", you'll get the results in the Finder. As for the use of Spotlight from the Finder, there are limitations, as you said. I too, would like a bit more flexibility here. Spotlight does sort by kind in the Finder window, but you'll need to use List view and click on Kind. So yes, it's not default, unless you've specified List view for that window or for all windows in the first place.

3) Column view for Spotlight results. Was this selectable in Tiger (I don't recall)? If so, I'm in agreement wih you here as well.

Again, Quicklook seems to be a pretty significant leap in file handling/interaction. I've got it set to the space bar and it works brilliantly.

Apple Annoys me with Spotlight - There should and (there was for a brief period) a SIZE column .... Oh how I hate that its not there.

[Eidorian]

1) Quicklook is absolute genius. How does it not help you? Coverflow, I have to agree with you there. Looks pretty, but rather gimmicky.Quick Look works for a quick look when going in Finder and only in Finder not when you add Spotlight antics into the mix.

Icon view doesn't work when using Spotlight in the Open file dialog. Columns view was taken out in Snow Leopard as well. So it's icon view with no icon preview or list view and invoking Quick Look. Sorting is broken as well in list view.

I have set my exclusion and priorities correctly in for the Spotlight bar but once you transition over to Finder Spotlight searching it's a mess.

I miss Tiger's Spotlight show all the most. If I could only have that back. You had the option of going into Finder from there and not being forced to use amalgamation of Finder and Spotlight with different behaviors and controls that carried over into Finder's behavior. I don't want FINDER to be SPOTLIGHT for me and have my Spotlight workflow distrupt trying to use Finder. There was enough of a division between Spotlight and Finder back in Tiger. The Leopard complete integration just trashes it for me.

One more thing, can you set the view options on a folder by folder basis? I want Cover Flow in only one folder but for some reason in Leopard it automatically applied it to all folders even if never set it as default.

In Tiger you could have Icon View in one set of folders and List in another. I can't replicate this past Tiger.

[*LTD*]

Apple Annoys me with Spotlight - There should and (there was for a brief period) a SIZE column .... Oh how I hate that its not there.

Now that IS odd. And it doesn't seem like you can add one. Nah, there must be some way to do it . . . :confused:

[verakot]

Do you recommend Snow Leopard? Especiall compared to 10.4?

[Stike]

Do you recommend Snow Leopard? Especiall compared to 10.4?

It is great, BUT if you need your computer for productivity, wait at least for 10.6.1 or 10.6.2 before taking the plunge.

Especially make sure that your printer and scanner driver is still working ;) http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669

I personally have encountered a few minor annoyances like color calibration going haywire and Finder crashing during large/long copy actions when you start doing with it something else beside the copying.

Oh, and the external display sometimes isnt found. I am not alone on this issue.

Everything else though seems nice :)

[DMann]

In Tiger you could have Icon View in one set of folders and List in another. I can't replicate this past Tiger.Show View Options (command J) can be set for each individual folder. Open the folder first, then 'command J,' and then check 'Always open in...'

[Eidorian]

Show View Options (command J) can be set for each individual folder. Open the folder first, then 'command J,' and then check 'Always open in...'Is that even going to control the views? (e.g. Icon, List, Column, Cover Flow)

[*LTD*]

Is that even going to control the views? (e.g. Icon, List, Column, Cover Flow)

As far as I can tell, yes.

[avidmacuser]

... Don't use MacRumors or AI as your measure. Just scan the general news and get a feel for the ebb and flow of opinion. For the most part, things are alright.

Yes a sizable percentage of apps either not working well or not at all according to compatibility lists I last checked ...is...'alright'? The vast majority probably doesnt use those apps anyway? :o

Not to get me wrong... I am so looking forward to using SL. It will have some amazing things going for it once the kinks are worked out and more apps get updated.

[Eidorian]

As far as I can tell, yes.I guess the default is apply to all folders now?

[Bonsai1214]

i just want them to fix quicklook in the way that if i'm in a folder of pictures, and i'm in the middle of the files in the folder, if i quick look it, hit select all, quicklook doesn't display the first file in the folder. it worked in leopard in that respect.

[*LTD*]

I guess the default is apply to all folders now?

Well what you'd do is select each folder and assign a default view to each.

For instance, my Photos folder will always open up in icon view. My documents folder (linked from my iDisk - I work off the Cloud), will always open in column view. The Spotlight results in the Finder will always open up in list view. And I set most everything else to open in column view.

So you need to go through each of your folders (the ones that you access most often) and manually set the default views.

I hope I understood your question correctly. :o

[Eidorian]

Well what you'd do is select each folder and assign a default view to each.

For instance, my Photos folder will always open up in icon view. My documents folder (linked from my iDisk - I work off the Cloud), will always open in column view. The Spotlight results in the Finder will always open up in list view. And I set most everything else to open in column view.

So you need to go through each of your folders (the ones that you access most often) and manually set the default views.

I hope I understood your question correctly. :oThat's how I had it in Tiger. I guess they toggled the "apply to all folders" on in Leopard?

I'll be in a photo folder with Cover Flow on. I'll close that and move to /Applications and it'll be in Cover Flow. I never SET it to be in Cover Flow in /Applications! :confused:

I'll click back to Icon view in /Applications only to lose Cover Flow in the other photo folder. :mad:

[*LTD*]

That's how I had it in Tiger. I guess they toggled the "apply to all folders" on in Leopard?

I'll be in a photo folder with Cover Flow on. I'll close that and move to /Applications and it'll be in Cover Flow. I never SET it to be in Cover Flow in /Applications! :confused:

I'll click back to Icon view in /Applications only to lose Cover Flow in the other photo folder. :mad:

Right now each window keeps its default settings (finally.) My default view for documents is column view. If I go to another folder and change the view, then go back to douments, it'll still be in column view. I can change view to something else, but it'll only stick during the back and forths of navigating if I make it the default view.

So folders remember their defaults and always revert to them.

[Eidorian]

Right now each window keeps its default settings (finally.) My default view for documents is column view. If I go to another folder and change the view, then go back to douments, it'll still be in column view. I can change view to something else, but it'll only stick during the back and forths of navigating if I make it the default view.

So folders remember their defaults and always revert to them.I'll have to give it a look again when I go home. I haven't been able to have individual folder views since Tiger. I've never hit the apply to all folders/set as default button ever.

I can have independent icon sizes and sorting, just not view modes.

[MrCrowbar]

This question goes for the people who did not have problems with their update

Because it is important issue before upgrading to SL

I assume your question is how battery life and heat is after upgrading to Snow Leopard.

Doing normal stuff, my 13" 2.53 GHz MBP's fan is at 2000 rpm (minimum), 61°C, room temp is 26°C and I got a bunch of apps open. The awesome thing about Snow Leopard is that the idle process is on 95% average as of writing. Oh, and I'm typing this on the bed right now so the fan opening is mostly blocked. :-)

Major heat improvement compared to Leopard. Battery life is about the same, about 6 hours of WIFI surfing with flash enabled in Safari.

[Bonsai1214]

did they also get rid of the "ignore trackpad while mouse is connected" option? i can't find it anywhere.

[izibo]

did they also get rid of the "ignore trackpad while mouse is connected" option? i can't find it anywhere.

I was under the impression you had to have a mouse connected for this option to pop-up...

[snugharbor]

I hope they fix the bug where Preview does not resize images from smaller to larger.

T

[*LTD*]

I hope they fix the bug where Preview does not resize images from smaller to larger.

T

Works fine. Just make sure "automatically resize" is not checked.

[Bonsai1214]

I was under the impression you had to have a mouse connected for this option to pop-up...

my mouse is plugged in.

[snugharbor]

Works fine. Just make sure "automatically resize" is not checked.

It may work fine your you but not for everyone. Yes, "automatically resize is not checked." If you have a larger picture (jpeg) than the window you have, it will adjust to the smaller window. However, if for example, you select actual size, and then make the window bigger, clicking "zoom to fit" no longer works. If you click zoom then the picture does get larger. This problem apparently is mainly with jpeg files. I've verified this on 3 separate machines(MP,imac,MP notebook)

T

[6daniels]

my copy on snow leopard got shipped on the 28th which was on friday and snow leopard still isnt here

[*LTD*]

It may work fine your you but not for everyone. Yes, "automatically resize is not checked." If you have a larger picture (jpeg) than the window you have, it will adjust to the smaller window. However, if for example, you select actual size, and then make the window bigger, clicking "zoom to fit" no longer works. If you click zoom then the picture does get larger. This problem apparently is mainly with jpeg files. I've verified this on 3 separate machines(MP,imac,MP notebook)

T

I'm unable reproduce the problem. I tried everything you listed, using several large (2560x1024+) jpegs.

Is this issue listed in the Apple support discussion forums?

Anyway, I'd be pretty irritated if this issue affected me. Resizing images is a pretty basic function of Preview. :(

[macguy4ever]

I assume your question is how battery life and heat is after upgrading to Snow Leopard.

Doing normal stuff, my 13" 2.53 GHz MBP's fan is at 2000 rpm (minimum), 61°C, room temp is 26°C and I got a bunch of apps open. The awesome thing about Snow Leopard is that the idle process is on 95% average as of writing. Oh, and I'm typing this on the bed right now so the fan opening is mostly blocked. :-)

Major heat improvement compared to Leopard. Battery life is about the same, about 6 hours of WIFI surfing with flash enabled in Safari.

Thank u very much, that was really helpful

because I heard some ppl that SL is decreasing the battery life and increasing the temp.

[BRLawyer]

And retail stores still don't have SL for sale here in slow Switzerland...anyone else facing the same problem in Europe?

Another question: when is 10.6.1 due?

[Stike]

Another question: when is 10.6.1 due?

Based on historical data I think .1 will arrive about 4 to 5 weeks after release.

[Eric S.]

Based on historical data I think .1 will arrive about 4 to 5 weeks after release.

Depends on which historical data you look at. Based on the last three OS releases (10.3, 17 days; 10.4, 18 days; 10.5, 20 days) we should expect around 3 weeks. But more important may be that 10.6.1 has already been released to some developers. How soon did that happen for previous releases?

[WG5516]

Upgraded last Friday and have had no issues at all. I run a lot of Adobe products and was pleasantly surprised at how smooth the transition of the upgrade happened. I will say though, my laptop is about 3 weeks old and I really haven't noticed a difference in speed running the programs or logging into my system. However when logging out or shutting down it's blazing fast.

[Levendis]

Hi everyone,

I also had ordered it from Toronto, last week and it finally came almost a week later!:mad:

Anyways,

there are somethings that don't work as mentioned previously. Flip4mac is one... I also watch sporting events using Veetle and this doesn't work now, also plug- ins from some sites that I can hear their radio stations (from another country) is dead.. Does anyone else have these problem?:confused::eek:

Besides all this, Safari seems snappier, Shutdown is quicker... in general, some good improvements.:)

[WG5516]

Hi everyone,

I also had ordered it from Toronto, last week and it finally came almost a week later!:mad:

Anyways,

there are somethings that don't work as mentioned previously. Flip4mac is one... I also watch sporting events using Veetle and this doesn't work now, also plug- ins from some sites that I can hear their radio stations (from another country) is dead.. Does anyone else have these problem?:confused::eek:

Besides all this, Safari seems snappier, Shutdown is quicker... in general, some good improvements.:)

Hi,

I want to say that their is an update for flip4mac. I've been using wmv's for a couple of days now. I just opened WMV file in quicktime.

[Levendis]

Cool, thanks!

Hi,

I want to say that their is an update for flip4mac. I've been using wmv's for a couple of days now. I just opened WMV file in quicktime.

[jeffforsberg]

I am thinking the upgrade to SL was a mistake -

I am finding reduced battery charge, a service the battery icon, system shut downs, loss of range on AE, itunes cut outs, two of my major programs are not working, keychain errors, system crashes and for no real benefit! Glad it was $9.95 on the up to date program - $29 would have been a waste -

next time, will wait till after the next bug fix as this seems to happen all the time!

[covertsurfer]

I haven't upgraded yet as I was waiting for this release. When this is released will they sell an upgrade disc of 10.6.1 or will it be the case of upgrading to 10.6 and then running Software Update?

Thanks

[BillyBobBongo]

I haven't upgraded yet as I was waiting for this release. When this is released will they sell an upgrade disc of 10.6.1 or will it be the case of upgrading to 10.6 and then running Software Update?

Thanks

Generally new disks will emerge that contain the updates. This doesn't happen immediately of course...so it could be a long wait. Chances are you'll still need to run Software Update for a while yet.

[PurrBall]

I haven't upgraded yet as I was waiting for this release. When this is released will they sell an upgrade disc of 10.6.1 or will it be the case of upgrading to 10.6 and then running Software Update?

Thanks

All of the 10.6.0 disks will have to be sold first before those become available.

[avidmacuser]

Had a chance to play with SL a little more today. Another thing I have discovered today is that GCD could use some optimization when it comes to quicktime or perhaps it is quicktime that needs some tweaking. Clicking the scrub controller but not actually scrubbing (moving the mouse left or right) during a stopped or paused movie produces high processor usage (as reported in Activity Monitor). I would like to see it optimized so that if not actually moving the scrubber, processor time should be handed off to other tasks while only in mousdown position, unless it is necessary in preparation for the actual scrubbing (buffering or likewise). Perhaps this will be addressed in the 10.6.1 update.

[Kashchei]

Hopefully it also fixes issues with graphics for Mac Mini users.

I have a mini and haven't noticed any graphics problems (maybe I haven't been that observant). What sort of problems are you experiencing?

[charlituna]

I haven't upgraded yet as I was waiting for this release. When this is released will they sell an upgrade disc of 10.6.1 or will it be the case of upgrading to 10.6 and then running Software Update?

Thanks

both.

they will release it via software update and at the same time press new discs for the stores so that anyone that buys it will have the latest version (typically show up about a week later).

[Eidorian]

both.

they will release it via software update and at the same time press new discs for the stores so that anyone that buys it will have the latest version (typically show up about a week later).I don't expect new discs until 10.6.2.

[M!M!C]

I am sure this has been said already, but a point release already?? I thought SL was suppose to cure all ills?

This will keep me from upgrading until late this afternoon :rolleyes:

[JFreak]

I am sure this has been said already, but a point release already?? I thought SL was suppose to cure all ills?

This will keep me from upgrading until late this afternoon :rolleyes:

Only a test build for developers. There should be plenty of those until Apple decides the fixes are bugfree enough to be released to the rest of us.

[Eric S.]

I don't expect new discs until 10.6.2.

Why? 10.5.1 had a new disk. I would think that if 10.6.2 is not going to be released for a few months, Apple would want to make sure that new SL users had the most recent version, without having to go to Software Update. It's different for the later updates, when users are already running the OS.

I am sure this has been said already, but a point release already??

Nothing new there. 10.3.1 was out in 17 days, 10.4.1 18 days, and 10.5.1 20 days.

[*LTD*]

Nothing new there. 10.3.1 was out in 17 days, 10.4.1 18 days, and 10.5.1 20 days.

True. Apple rolled out the first point update to Leopard pretty quickly.

[AidenShaw]

True. Apple rolled out the first point update to Leopard pretty quickly.

I worked with an operating system company that always included the x.y.1 update with the x.y.0 kit - it was called the "mandatory update".

The basic problem was that important fixes were identified while testing the final kit - but you couldn't change the "final kit" to include them, since that would force retesting of the final kit.

Microsoft is more or less doing the same thing with the "continual update" process with "Microsoft Update". (Three updates are already available for Windows 7 RTM - no patches yet, just definition updates.)

No need to wait an arbitrary length of time for a "service pack" bundle to be tested.... Install, connect to the net, and get up-to-date. Apple's approach seems a bit "old school" in these connected times.

[charlituna]

I don't expect new discs until 10.6.2.

depends on how quickly they see a need for a point 2

I am sure this has been said already, but a point release already?? I thought SL was suppose to cure all ills?


no release can cure all ills, because no company can 100% test every possible configuration of system. they do the best they can and then make adjustments.

so far I haven't had any issues that can be blamed on Apple. my only problems are with some 3rd party pieces in my system that lack drivers because the companies were too cheap to ever join the developers problem to test and prep before release. so I have a dead printer, a dead pen tablet and a dead midi box. well not so much dead as comatose

[AidenShaw]

so far I haven't had any issues that can be blamed on Apple. my only problems are with some 3rd party pieces in my system that lack drivers because the companies were too cheap to ever join the developers problem to test and prep before release. so I have a dead printer, a dead pen tablet and a dead midi box. well not so much dead as comatose

You don't consider blaming Apple for breaking all these programs in a minor release?

Apple broke those programs - they were working fine in 10.5.

[MorphingDragon]

You don't consider blaming Apple for breaking all these programs in a minor release?

Apple broke those programs - they were working fine in 10.5.

Its a different kernel in Snow Leopard, Just like XP to Vista.

Linux is worse though. Drivers break frequently with kernel "build" updates.

[AidenShaw]

Its a different kernel in Snow Leopard, Just like XP to Vista.

Linux is worse though. Drivers break frequently with kernel "build" updates.

Windows 7 is a different kernel from Vista, but the huge majority of Vista drivers load and run fine on Windows 7 (as well as Windows Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 R2). In fact, many XP drivers work fine in Vista.

If the driver APIs are sound, then changing the kernel doesn't automatically require new drivers - only when the driver APIs have incompatible changes are new drivers required.

(The kernel APIs in Linux are the most brain-damaged I've ever seen.)

[mnate]

When I first installed 10.6, I had applications crashing every 15-30 minutes or so - (Particularly all of my Adobe CS4 apps which crashed every time I tried to save something).
I tried the following solution prior to the release of 10.6.1, so I don't know whether or not people are still looking for a fix. But, I figured it couldn't hurt posting it - I haven't had a single crash when using the 64bit kernel since.
Anyway... Here's what worked for me -

Solution - Create a New Admin Account

Here's a few notes you should probably keep in mind if you do this:

1. When you create the new account, make sure you check the box "Allow this user to administer the computer"

2. Transfer any files you wanna keep from the old "Home" folder to the new one.

3. Then, delete the original account. I'd suggest that you wait until you've set up the new account in a way that you won't be missing anything after you delete the old Admin account.

That's it!
Oh, if anyone's got a (free) fix for configuring a mouse with more than 2 buttons, please lemme know.