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MacRumors
Sep 4, 2009, 09:08 AM
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iFun.de, a German iPhone news site, reports (http://www.iphone-ticker.de/2009/09/03/ifa-navigon-bringt-passive-autohalterung/) [Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.iphone-ticker.de/2009/09/03/ifa-navigon-bringt-passive-autohalterung/&hl=en&langpair=auto|en")] that Navigon has officially announced its own car mount for the iPhone. The mount comes with a car charger and will be available in October at a price of "under 40 Euros" (approximately US$57). A subsequent model with its own GPS chip may be offered also. Navigon made this announcement at IFA, a consumer electronics convention currently taking place in Berlin.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/09/04/134921-navigon-mount-hi-res.jpg

Yesterday, we reported (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/09/03/navigon-to-make-car-kit-for-iphone/) on information from Navigon indicating that an iPhone car kit to accompany its turn-by-turn navigation software was in the works. This information came to light via a wall post on Navigon's Facebook page, though no other information had been provided by Navigon through any other medium up until now.

Navigon was one of the first turn-by-turn navigation apps available (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/06/22/turn-by-turn-gps-apps-begin-to-appear-gokivo-sygic-navigon/) for the iPhone earlier this summer, beating one of its major competitors, TomTom, to the App Store. Now that the release of TomTom's car kit for the iPhone has been pushed back to October (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/09/03/tomtom-car-kit-release-pushed-back-to-october/), Navigon has another opportunity to be first-to-market with a major iPhone accessory.

UPDATE: A correction has been made to note that the car kit to be released first will not have its own GPS chip, though subsequent models released may have one.

Article Link: Navigon Reveals More Details on iPhone Car Kit at IFA (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/09/04/navigon-reveals-more-details-on-iphone-car-kit-at-ifa/)



Gatteau
Sep 4, 2009, 09:10 AM
I'm really liking Navigon now, more than TomTom. I think I'll get it, after all.

BryanLyle
Sep 4, 2009, 09:19 AM
If they can make that car kit handle phones that are in cases, it would be a slam dunk for Navigon. We know the TomTom kit won't.

countrydweller
Sep 4, 2009, 09:21 AM
Wow, a fair price, may beat Tomtom, they're on top of things.

Stargaze
Sep 4, 2009, 09:25 AM
now here is a company that knows how to create a buzz and FOLLOW THROUGH and deliver on their statements

Tom tom you should take notes!!

iSee
Sep 4, 2009, 09:29 AM
Ouch!
If true, Navigon just kicked TomTom in the... well... where it hurts the most.

nilo
Sep 4, 2009, 09:36 AM
The mount will have its own GPS chip and will be available in October with a price of "under 40 Euros"

This is just *wrong*. The article states, that there probably *will* be a version with GPS chip in the future. So the 40 Euro mount will definately *not* have a GPS chip. :(

co.ag.2005
Sep 4, 2009, 09:36 AM
Navigon FTW! Screw TomTom...

Disclaimer: I don't use either of these products, but I make my claim based on following the drama about release dates/price points for both software and hardware from both companies.

VenusianSky
Sep 4, 2009, 10:12 AM
I've been holding out on a navigation app. This may sway my decision towards Navigon. I had originally planned on getting Tom Tom before I knew about Navigon. Now with all this BS where Tom Tom was late with their app, no info about the car kit, now info on a approx. release date for the kit, but still no price, I am kind of tired of it. Navigon released their software first, they already announced plans for improvements in future versions, announced a car kit with price. Plus, MobileNavigator is Navigon's only product. That should make them more competitive since it is what the business is based on. The Tom Tom app is more like a side project. If it has success, Tom Tom may get more serious with it. If it fails, they always have their navigation units.

r6girl
Sep 4, 2009, 10:17 AM
This is just *wrong*. The article states, that there probably *will* be a version with GPS chip in the future. So the 40 Euro mount will definately *not* have a GPS chip. :(

Thank you for pointing this out. The article has been corrected.

macslayer118
Sep 4, 2009, 10:24 AM
If they can make that car kit handle phones that are in cases, it would be a slam dunk for Navigon. We know the TomTom kit won't.

I don't understand how this is possible? Cases come in all different shapes and sizes. Some have hooks for belts, others dont. Some are made of leather, some cloth, some of plastic. To accomodate the plethora of cases for the iPhone would seem unrealistic.

:confused:

bbotte
Sep 4, 2009, 10:29 AM
I don't understand how this is possible? Cases come in all different shapes and sizes. Some have hooks for belts, others dont. Some are made of leather, some cloth, some of plastic. To accomodate the plethora of cases for the iPhone would seem unrealistic.

:confused:


Orly? Put a plug at the bottom of this mount and it fits my phone with a case on it, and just about any case for that matter. It works great.
http://www.freeoniphone.com/images/accessories/car-mt-ken.jpg

macslayer118
Sep 4, 2009, 10:39 AM
Orly? Put a plug at the bottom of this mount and it fits my phone with a case on it, and just about any case for that matter. It works great.
http://www.freeoniphone.com/images/accessories/car-mt-ken.jpg

Then why buy the Navigon mount if this one does the same thing?

The Navigon mount could accomodate this kind of thing more-so than the TomTom mount, since the TomTom one has a connector built in, while the Navigon one is just another cable.

While I am leaning more towards the Navigon app right now (due to TomTom really dropping the ball on this whole thing), I'm really seeing Navigon's "Car Kit" as just another mount, while the TomTom Car Kit actually adds functionality (Enchanced GPS, Speaker, Mic, Bluetooth, etc).

Vegeta-san
Sep 4, 2009, 10:52 AM
Does anyone know of ANY comparison article anywhere across the interwebs comparing all the current navigation apps on the iPhone (Navigon, TomTom, CoPilot, etc.)? I haven't purchased one yet and I am looking to make as informed a decision as possible.....

irmongoose
Sep 4, 2009, 11:09 AM
Vegeta-san: Awesome username. Here (http://gizmodo.com/5343981/the-best-iphone-navigation-app-telenav-vs-navigon-vs-tomtom) is a comparison article on Gizmodo.


irmongoose

dZp
Sep 4, 2009, 11:26 AM
Does anyone know of ANY comparison article anywhere across the interwebs comparing all the current navigation apps on the iPhone (Navigon, TomTom, CoPilot, etc.)?
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/iphone-navigation-app-comparison-xr5133.php

Vandam500
Sep 4, 2009, 11:30 AM
Here are some better pics for the article:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/3887547486_c67c3e0b01.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2423/3887547180_5c74fffa24.jpg

I have to admit, it looks slick :)

Courtesy of:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/navigon/3887547180/

FamiliaPhoto
Sep 4, 2009, 11:35 AM
Orly? Put a plug at the bottom of this mount and it fits my phone with a case on it, and just about any case for that matter. It works great.
http://www.freeoniphone.com/images/accessories/car-mt-ken.jpg

I have this mount and like it very much. I use it with the LiquidAUX (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011UK2HE/ref=ox_ya_oh_product) and it is a great combo. While I'm glad Navigon is coming out with a mount it will have to have a GPS chip for me to consider changing.

dagomike
Sep 4, 2009, 11:35 AM
NAVIGON says shipping in October for 39.95 . No charger, just access to the doc, and it does flip horizontally.

http://insanely-great.com/news.php?id=10554

FamiliaPhoto
Sep 4, 2009, 11:37 AM
Here are some better pics for the article:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/3887547486_c67c3e0b01.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2423/3887547180_5c74fffa24.jpg

I have to admit, it looks slick :)

Courtesy of:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/navigon/3887547180/

Very nice looking indeed, but I'll wait for the one with a GPS chip. :)

Vandam500
Sep 4, 2009, 11:37 AM
More Information:

"The car kit will be available in october this year. It is a pure iPhone holder exclusevely for the right positioning with charger cable. Only to fix the iPhone (without case)."

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4000692&l=8ebe64478e&id=51924150929

So its coming out the same month as Tom Tom's and it only works with iPhones with no cases. Oh well.

JKColo22
Sep 4, 2009, 01:09 PM
Won't come with a gps chip?! Not very business savy to enter a very staurated market of car mounts/chargers in all shapes and colors without adressing the specific needs of your OWN product. TomTom wins this up front. Navigon might sell you the app but TomTom will be selling the essential hardware that makes it practical. Dumb move Navigon.

JFreak
Sep 4, 2009, 01:19 PM
We'll see. If the TT car kit costa a hundred, then this GPS-less Navigon kit is a smart move. But if the TT kit is 50, then Navigon has failed...

NightStorm
Sep 4, 2009, 01:55 PM
Won't come with a gps chip?! Not very business savy to enter a very staurated market of car mounts/chargers in all shapes and colors without adressing the specific needs of your OWN product. TomTom wins this up front. Navigon might sell you the app but TomTom will be selling the essential hardware that makes it practical. Dumb move Navigon.

Practical? My Navigon has worked flawlessly without the need of an additional GPS chip AFTER I mounted it near the top of my dashboard. It didn't work too well when sitting in a cup holder in the center console though.

vertigo235
Sep 4, 2009, 02:55 PM
With no GPS chip, go with this instead.

http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-iphone-3g-3gs-suction-mount-ram-b-166-ap6u.html

You will not be disapointed!

Vandam500
Sep 4, 2009, 03:57 PM
Practical? My Navigon has worked flawlessly without the need of an additional GPS chip AFTER I mounted it near the top of my dashboard. It didn't work too well when sitting in a cup holder in the center console though.

Same here. I am using it with the Griffin WindowSeat and it has been absolutely perfect! The built in GPS for the TomTom Kit is in my opinion only useful for the iPhone 2G and the iPod Touch. The 3GS has perfect GPS signal/strength for me:)

Ron21
Sep 4, 2009, 05:35 PM
Despite Tomtom being my favorite GPS device maker, I have to say, Navigon is completely and utterly kicking Tomtom's ass when it comes to developing for the iPhone.

boxstboy
Sep 4, 2009, 06:02 PM
Orly? Put a plug at the bottom of this mount and it fits my phone with a case on it, and just about any case for that matter. It works great.
http://www.freeoniphone.com/images/accessories/car-mt-ken.jpg



I have the same holder from the Apple Store. It works great!

The Navigon holder is much shorter and farther away from your face. This, coupled with Navigon's horrible, small font, means that you won't be reading street names anytime soon.

So glad I bought iGO My Way!!! What a great app!

godrifle
Sep 4, 2009, 08:41 PM
With no GPS chip, go with this instead.

http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-iphone-3g-3gs-suction-mount-ram-b-166-ap6u.html

You will not be disapointed!

That thing is fugly!

Pika
Sep 4, 2009, 09:15 PM
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/09/04/134921-navigon-mount-hi-res.jpg

UFO !!! :eek::eek::eek:

darkcanuck
Sep 5, 2009, 01:55 AM
There's something suspicious about the carrier name on that iPhone...

(I know, I know. 99% chance it's just a German iPhone. Shh.)

Here are some better pics for the article:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/3887547486_c67c3e0b01.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2423/3887547180_5c74fffa24.jpg

I have to admit, it looks slick :)

Courtesy of:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/navigon/3887547180/

kevingaffney
Sep 5, 2009, 02:58 AM
I have this mount and like it very much. I use it with the LiquidAUX (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011UK2HE/ref=ox_ya_oh_product) and it is a great combo. While I'm glad Navigon is coming out with a mount it will have to have a GPS chip for me to consider changing.

Ive had two of these for about four months and they're great.
Use copilot and great great signal all of the time. Would not need anything to boost gps signal

Richdmoore
Sep 5, 2009, 07:44 AM
I purchased the Navigon software on the 31st. I used it on the first in my car, used a generic cell phone holder ($25 I think) from Best Buy (so I could keep it in the case.) Worked great around Portland, OR. (94 Honda Civic)

I go to do some training on Columbus, OH. I am renting a PT Cruiser, and the iPhone app looses GPS coverage all the time. (Weird thing is that it is better at night than during midday.) I am using the same mount, both attached to the windshield below the rear view mirror.

I am at a loss as to why. It might be something in the glass that is lowering the reception, or maybe something about the design of the car? It is very weird issue. Right now I am telling people I know to hold off on the iPhone app until I can investigate more and travel to more places around the country in other rental cars.

maghemi
Sep 5, 2009, 06:11 PM
I am at a loss as to why. It might be something in the glass that is lowering the reception, or maybe something about the design of the car? It is very weird issue. Right now I am telling people I know to hold off on the iPhone app until I can investigate more and travel to more places around the country in other rental cars.

You'll find that the loss of signal will be due to the windscreen. Most modern windscreens have various layers of laminate and other substances in them. Some of them unfortunately have the effect of blocking GPS signal. That is why you don't find it in your older car, because it's got a much older screen (unless it's been replaced in the cars lifetime).

Not a lot you can do about it really.

*edit* in one of my previous cars I used to have to hold my GPS unit out the drivers window initially just so it could pick up enough satellites quickly, otherwise it would take ages to get enough signal through the screen.

zeeflyboy
Sep 5, 2009, 08:25 PM
ugh... not interested without the GPS built in - my current window mount and power lead will do just fine.

I agree that in general the gps works fine, but sometimes in more built up areas it could do with a helping hand and occasionally it'll place me on a parallel road and annoying little things like that while driving around - again an issue that would be improved with a better GPS chip.

Looks like I might be waiting on the tom tom dock if it does indeed work with navigon in the end

eron
Sep 7, 2009, 08:26 PM
Navigon already lost from design. It can't hold iphones with cases like the Tomtom.

FamiliaPhoto
Sep 7, 2009, 08:29 PM
Navigon already lost from design. It can't hold iphones with cases like the Tomtom.

Can it? I'm not so sure. The pictures I've seen does not make it look like cases will work.

Diode
Sep 7, 2009, 08:32 PM
$57 seems a little steep for just a window mount.

I paid $20 for my Kensington mount and still feel I overpaid.

davehutch
Sep 8, 2009, 05:33 AM
I guess with the possibility of connecting an iPhone to a mount with a GPS inside, there is now the possibility of just an app that will allow me to connect to my serial GPS which I've had for some time and works perfectly?
Or, heaven forbid...Buetooth like I used to use on my WinMo phone?
I already have a great GPS receiver and a dashboard mount. I just need the app to allow me to connect it and use it.
Does anybody know of a developer working on that solution?

maghemi
Sep 8, 2009, 05:40 AM
I'm pretty happy with their software, but this mount doesn't really inspire me.

I want something with a dock mount in so I can just put the phone in and have it charge. I'm over the whole loose wires and need to plug in the all the time.

Still leaning towards the Tom Tom mount if it ever comes out.

Ntombi
Sep 8, 2009, 05:59 AM
Navigon already lost from design. It can't hold iphones with cases like the Tomtom.
:confused: The TomTom mount can't handle cases either.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/tomtom-iphone-mount.jpg





This is very nice looking, and I may just get it. Right now I have the Griffin WindowSeat, which is great until I try to rotate it and it pops out of the mount. That's annoying, so if I can't find a solution, I'll consider Navigon's version.

zeeflyboy
Sep 8, 2009, 06:25 AM
to me it looks like the tom tom could accommodate low profile cases like the one i'm using now which effectively leaves the very top and bottom of the iphone clear.

Bjohnson33
Sep 8, 2009, 05:21 PM
Vegeta-san: Awesome username. Here (http://gizmodo.com/5343981/the-best-iphone-navigation-app-telenav-vs-navigon-vs-tomtom) is a comparison article on Gizmodo.


irmongoose

Thanks very much for the article - a great read!

kingtj
Sep 9, 2009, 09:26 AM
I'm kind of mad at Navigon right now... I was one of the "early adopters" of their first stand-alone navigation system they sold in the United States. I paid full retail price for it, in fact - and *still* thought it was worth the money. It was one of the first in its price range to offer real-time traffic capabilities (with a one-time purchase of an unlock code to activate it, vs. a subscription like other companies were doing). It was first with the feature of showing real views of most complex entrance/exit ramps on highways when you approached them (drawing arrows in the lanes you need to stay in). And as importantly as anything, Navigon was first to offer all their units with an available map update subscription that gave you 3 years of quarterly updates for a flat fee of under $100. (Absolute value compared to paying $149 or so for ONE map update like I had to do with a Garmin I owned before it!)

All of this caused me to buy a second Navigon unit for my other vehicle, not too long ago. But all of a sudden, they announced they were pulling out of the US market. The map update subscriptions have all been yanked from the market without warning, and people who recently bought a "3 year" subscription found it was being shortened to 2 years (because Navigon decided they were ending map support for the USA for the stand-alone units in 2011).

They seem to think releasing this iPhone version of one of their units with US maps is sufficient "support" for their customers in the USA? I, for one, am NOT impressed. I'm not able to get my map update package at all for this 2nd. GPS unit I bought, so it will quickly get outdated. I don't WANT the iPhone version of something I already own 2 of in stand-alone form. I want the ongoing support I was promised for the units I have.....


I'm really liking Navigon now, more than TomTom. I think I'll get it, after all.

kindashoulda
Sep 9, 2009, 10:17 AM
what about the new navigation app that is an extra 10 dollars every month through at&t?

NightStorm
Sep 9, 2009, 10:21 AM
what about the new navigation app that is an extra 10 dollars every month through at&t?

That was in the App Store weeks before Navigon? :confused: